ForenSix Opposition - Politics in the Soon To Be Former UK in Autumn 2020

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alright i guess we might as well

lol nothing matters

how do i shot moon? (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 09:54 (one week ago) link

but are we going to lol die?

Monte Scampino (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 10:00 (one week ago) link

I think that’s covered in the soon to be former UK

scampo italiano (gyac), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 10:00 (one week ago) link

Cool, cool

Monte Scampino (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 10:01 (one week ago) link

Ah ok I see now nothing matters now

*Goes to the US, I hear they have an election soon*

joe no!! pic.twitter.com/7QS2GSDeKf

— wholesome on main (@InternetHippo) September 16, 2020

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 16 September 2020 10:02 (one week ago) link

i regret to inform you that the data on who is going to die has been irrecoverably wiped

how do i shot moon? (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 10:04 (one week ago) link

Nothing ever mattered, Alphie.

scampo italiano (gyac), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 10:07 (one week ago) link

the six is the letters in chairman alph's name iirc

mark s, Wednesday, 16 September 2020 10:09 (one week ago) link

Six is the number of already-posted links he’s gearing up to post to the thread. He’s ready...

scampo italiano (gyac), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 10:10 (one week ago) link

Jerutm Cribbtn was a secret Brexiteer!
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EiBtlZ8WsAI7b1V?format=png&name=large

scampo italiano (gyac), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 10:11 (one week ago) link

shocked that the great white hope of the people's vote is sanctioning this line

how do i shot moon? (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 10:14 (one week ago) link

meanwhile i know it's been a few months since i've been on a train but i can't remember the last time i saw any graffiti on one

how do i shot moon? (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 10:15 (one week ago) link

My trains are often graffitied tbf, I particularly enjoy some of the graffiti en route to work on the way as well, especially the “Southeastern are cunts” someone has thoughtfully sprayed on the side of a bridge.

scampo italiano (gyac), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 10:17 (one week ago) link

This whole thing is sick, could do without the shadow justice secretary and the mcshitter reacting this way. Believe survivors (unless they’re not from your faction).

Shadow Justice Secretary doesn’t care about survivors is it? https://t.co/z0KhW9N7FQ

— Your Mum says Black Lives Matter (@judeinlondon2) September 16, 2020

scampo italiano (gyac), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 10:19 (one week ago) link

Nothing ever mattered, Alphie.

― scampo italiano (gyac), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 bookmarkflaglink

*goes on to post about internal factional Lab politics*

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 16 September 2020 10:26 (one week ago) link

“Southeastern are cunts”

otm

CP Radio Gorgeous (Colonel Poo), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 10:27 (one week ago) link

Anyway yes this is the thread where we should see Brexit getting done. I'm excited!

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 16 September 2020 10:29 (one week ago) link

Don't know much about this Athwal thing tbh but the extent to which he and his supporters keep referring to his family having gone through hell just seems quite dubious.

nashwan, Wednesday, 16 September 2020 10:32 (one week ago) link

Great day to be in the Labour party, really covering itself in glory 🎶

EXCLUSIVE: Lesbian staffer quits Rosie Duffield's office over the Labour MP's 'overtly transphobic' opinionshttps://t.co/e94J2cVN63

— PinkNews (@PinkNews) September 16, 2020

scampo italiano (gyac), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 10:39 (one week ago) link

That article was bad enough that I actually gasped out loud at one point, fair fucks to the staffer on walking.

scampo italiano (gyac), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 10:40 (one week ago) link

Oh

I'm very pleased and relieved that the test result for one of my children came back negative this morning.

Thank you to the NHS hospital where my wife works for ensuring that their staff and family members have quick access to a test.

— Keir Starmer (@Keir_Starmer) September 16, 2020

scampo italiano (gyac), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 10:43 (one week ago) link

i feel like maybe there's a broader point he could make?

how do i shot moon? (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 10:46 (one week ago) link

Not every marginal Labour MP is being kept in their position by the youth vote but Rosie Duffield absolutely is. Even if the Tories lose the next election they are going to win Canterbury back.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 16 September 2020 10:47 (one week ago) link

You’ll actually love to see it. I’ve seen so many activists angry at her behaviour since even before the election she was on TV slagging them off. Absolutely terrible person.

scampo italiano (gyac), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 10:49 (one week ago) link

It's the petulant contempt in her response that rankles, along with everything else.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 16 September 2020 10:49 (one week ago) link

Duffield asked her staff member if, as a lesbian, she knew Sandi Toksvig.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 16 September 2020 11:07 (one week ago) link

Rayner doing great at PMQs: ‘get some skates on it!’

santa clause four (suzy), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 11:12 (one week ago) link

"The next time someone drives from London to Durham it will be for a Covid test" is a pretty good line in fairness.

Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 16 September 2020 11:17 (one week ago) link

yeah nice moves from Rayner

Rayner: What was the top priority for the cabinet this weekend? Restoring grouse shooting. It's good news for people like the PM's friend who paid for a luxury Christmas getaway to a Caribbean Island and funded his leadership campaign and just so happens to own two grouse estates

— Simple Politics (@easypoliticsUK) September 16, 2020

nashwan, Wednesday, 16 September 2020 11:24 (one week ago) link

Guess now we know why we’re not seeing much of her.

scampo italiano (gyac), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 11:29 (one week ago) link

Angela Rayner says she has a message from someone called Keir. He cannot go to work today because his family needed a test.

Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 16 September 2020 11:31 (one week ago) link

In new World Beating System news...

With some Londoners being offered local coronavirus tests only by entering an Aberdeen postcode, Matt Hancock has said that "people should take this seriously and not game the system"#MattHancock #TestandTrace #testing #Twickenham #governmenthttps://t.co/F4SR7pUrFp

— PublicTechnology (@PublicTech) September 16, 2020

Matt DC, Wednesday, 16 September 2020 11:38 (one week ago) link

love to game the system by doing a 1,100 mile round trip to get a covid test

you are like a scampicane, there's calm in your fries (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 11:55 (one week ago) link

It's gaming the system to pretend you live 500 miles away so it will offer you a test down the road, apparently.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 16 September 2020 12:53 (one week ago) link

a genuine hero tbh

you are like a scampicane, there's calm in your fries (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 14:48 (one week ago) link

he's no Peter Shitlon!

calzino, Wednesday, 16 September 2020 14:58 (one week ago) link

I'm predicting a surge in the polling for Labour this and then when Keith the Cooler comes out of quarantine it'll dip back down to minus a few points behind.

calzino, Wednesday, 16 September 2020 15:47 (one week ago) link

Nev was always a real one tbf

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XadLaAYKol0

Number None, Wednesday, 16 September 2020 18:47 (one week ago) link

"let's just level the playing field a bit"

(swings a lump hammer at Owen's right knee)

calzino, Wednesday, 16 September 2020 19:10 (one week ago) link

We can’t allow the Good Friday Agreement that brought peace to Northern Ireland to become a casualty of Brexit.

Any trade deal between the U.S. and U.K. must be contingent upon respect for the Agreement and preventing the return of a hard border. Period. https://t.co/Ecu9jPrcHL

— Joe Biden (@JoeBiden) September 16, 2020

stet, Wednesday, 16 September 2020 21:51 (one week ago) link

Voting for Joe Biden now

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 16 September 2020 22:04 (one week ago) link

A locked account I follow makes the excellent point that ofc the US doesn’t care that much about a trade deal with the UK, they don’t need to except as an extractive partner.

scampo italiano (gyac), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 22:06 (one week ago) link

Going to need multiple ukpols threads at this rate

I’m hearing from a well-connected person that government now thinks, in absence of testing, there are 38,000 infections per day. Chris Whitty is advising PM for a two week national lockdown.

— Anthony Costello (@globalhlthtwit) September 16, 2020



(This guy has a patchy record on the takes but his leaks were good in the past iirc)

stet, Wednesday, 16 September 2020 22:20 (one week ago) link

A locked account I follow makes the excellent point that ofc the US doesn’t care that much about a trade deal with the UK, they don’t need to except as an extractive partner.

― scampo italiano (gyac), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 bookmarkflaglink

We both follow this account too

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 16 September 2020 22:27 (one week ago) link

Just stalking calmly as I normally do

scampo italiano (gyac), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 22:29 (one week ago) link

👍👍👍

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 16 September 2020 22:32 (one week ago) link

A good candidate for fucking off into the sun, here

Hey @joebiden would you like to discuss the Good Friday agreement? It is also called the Belfast Agreement so it doesn't offend both traditions. Did you actually know that? I was born in NI and I'm a Catholic and a Unionist. Here if you need help.

— Conor Burns (@ConorBurnsUK) September 16, 2020

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 17 September 2020 07:55 (one week ago) link

Anthony Costello, thank you for your opposition.

I've been told by another insider I respect that Chris Whitty does not support a 2 week lockdown, so I'm pleased to correct the record.

— Anthony Costello (@globalhlthtwit) September 17, 2020

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 17 September 2020 07:59 (one week ago) link

Also lol nothing matters

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/chris-grayling-ports-brexit-ferries_uk_5f625651c5b6ba9eb6e8ab0d

'No Ships' Chris Grayling To Be Paid £100,000 A Year To Advise Ports Company

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 17 September 2020 08:09 (one week ago) link

Keir Starmer is currently being destroyed by everyone on gogglebox for agreeing with the government on literally everything and then complaining about what they've done after the fact, they're all dumbfounded at why he won't say what he would do instead

— Lewis (@lewisandstuff) September 25, 2020

well now

seumas milm (gyac), Friday, 25 September 2020 21:20 (yesterday) link

I avoid gogglebox like the plague, but it sounds like everyone on there tonight doing more astute political punditry than the so-called professional commentariat class!

calzino, Friday, 25 September 2020 21:27 (yesterday) link

Gogglebox people mostly nice to Jeremy Corbyn or at least not repeating absolute right-wing garbage IIRC.

santa clause four (suzy), Saturday, 26 September 2020 04:22 (fifteen hours ago) link

the LibDems have voted to campaign for UBI. Bold move, but I wonder if the UK electorate have long enough memories to remember what happened last time they had an attractive flagship policy that was way to the left of a floundering gutless Tory-lite version of Labour.

calzino, Saturday, 26 September 2020 09:17 (ten hours ago) link

MattHancock's “World-beating” “NHS” app doesn’t recognise tests carried out by the NHS or PHE - only those by private outsourced companies like Serco.

sounds perfectly reasonable if you are a demented Tory ideologue, but absolutely insane to any reasonable person.

calzino, Saturday, 26 September 2020 09:29 (ten hours ago) link

Have to say that moving UBI into something akin to the political mainstream is important even if it is the LibDems doing it.

It's a weird one really in that a notoriously tankie publication like The Economist can be all in favour while socialist columnists are still handwringing about whether it can be really considered left-wing.

My guess is that UBI is like Modern Monetary Theory in that the pandemic will eventually force policy makers into doing it on the sly even as they're pretending they aren't.

Matt DC, Saturday, 26 September 2020 09:53 (nine hours ago) link

Yeah just needs a rebrand. Obv I will never vote Lib Dem but this is a better move than Starmer's likely to make in his entire career

Mille scampeaux (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 26 September 2020 09:57 (nine hours ago) link

It's a weird one really in that a notoriously tankie publication like The Economist can be all in favour while socialist columnists are still handwringing about whether it can be really considered left-wing.

How is that weird? The Economist being onboard for something is pretty strong evidence that one should question whether it is left wing - or at least, whether there aren't ways to implement it with results that aren't in the interest of the left.

Daniel_Rf, Saturday, 26 September 2020 10:00 (nine hours ago) link

Theoretically the welfare state in Germany was created to stymie the Left but in the absence of guillotines you take what you can get

Mille scampeaux (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 26 September 2020 10:05 (nine hours ago) link

The question of whether it's sufficiently left-wing is secondary to the issue of whether or not it will benefit people. Or at least it should be.

Matt DC, Saturday, 26 September 2020 10:10 (nine hours ago) link

And yeah unintended consequences and all that. The most convincing argument I've seen against UBI is that it will be used as an excuse to trim other social protections and things like the minimum wage but that's likely to happen anyway.

Matt DC, Saturday, 26 September 2020 10:12 (nine hours ago) link

iirc the debate on the left is about whether the 'universal' in UBI would ever be implemented in the first place, and whether that would be turn out to be cover for dismantling welfare. So yes it's important to have that debate, and to monitor it's outcomes because the Tories and Lib Dems will look to use it for other means.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 26 September 2020 10:21 (nine hours ago) link

They’re on their bullshit in so many ways on so many fronts right now. New PSHE guidance excludes using material from organisations that might call for the end of capitalism, who might refuse to condemn acts of violence against property, or who might support “victim narratives”.

So the government has just released some guidance for teaching PSHE which seems - by my reading - to be written in such a way as to ban using BLM materials in the classroom.

— tetrapod (@pancake_puns) September 25, 2020

stet, Saturday, 26 September 2020 10:26 (nine hours ago) link

Wait I thought erasing history was bad

Mille scampeaux (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 26 September 2020 10:28 (nine hours ago) link

The question of whether it's sufficiently left-wing is secondary to the issue of whether or not it will benefit people. Or at least it should be.

These are one and the same though, the arguments are precisely that it's not left wing because, in the way say the Economist or Andrew Yang would want it implemented, it wouldn't benefit people.

Daniel_Rf, Saturday, 26 September 2020 10:30 (nine hours ago) link

One of the reasons that parts of the liberal right are in favour is the universality of it would make it much cheaper to implement than more conditional forms of welfare payment (cf the vast amounts of money that are spent on administering a fundamentally miserly system like Universal Credit).

Blairite policy wonks tend to be fundamentally opposed because they're opposed to almost anything universal, raising the spectre of, say, David Cameron getting the same payment as an unemployed single mother of three. It's the same logic that was used to justify tuition fees, they see universal benefits as a subsidy for middle class people - as opposed to something that solidifies support across socioeconomic groups. It's difficult to argue against this, look at the backlash that occurred when Cameron proposed cutting universal child benefit.

Arguably millions of people in the post-war era benefited enormously from capitalist societies needing to show they could look after their people better than Communist societies. The removal of that impetus after 1990 was the start of the slope that led to where we are now - chunks of the welfare state were significantly more generous under Thatcher than Blair despite the former's intentions. Insecurity and anxiety are fundamentally at the heart of our ongoing political shitshow and it's difficult to believe that removing that wouldn't make things better at a stroke.

Obviously there's the question of how universal 'universal' really is given the obvious hostility to, say, migrant workers or even EU citizens receiving it, but exclusionary utopia-building is at the heart of the never-gonna-happen Dominic Cumming's 'project'.

Matt DC, Saturday, 26 September 2020 10:37 (nine hours ago) link

Probably the single biggest reason the LibDems are in favour is that, without Brexit, they have literally nothing else to make people take notice of them again.

Matt DC, Saturday, 26 September 2020 10:39 (nine hours ago) link

As somebody in the clutches of the benefits system I'm all for anything that doesn't feel like being panopticoned 24/7 and I'm guessing I'm not the only one who feels like that

Mille scampeaux (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 26 September 2020 10:40 (nine hours ago) link

I mean the other thing that might work would be the state literally guaranteeing a job in what is otherwise likely to be a lengthy period of high structural unemployment.

Unfortunately there aren't any difficult challenges happening right now that might require the government to hire millions of people for essential work.

Matt DC, Saturday, 26 September 2020 10:44 (eight hours ago) link

lol the government could literally hire people just to work on infrastructure and bread and butter stuff like that, but they won’t because they don’t want to

seumas milm (gyac), Saturday, 26 September 2020 11:58 (seven hours ago) link

I honestly believed they'd have to do something to create work, I guess there's a slim possibility they might still find their hand forced, maybe the relentless pressure from the opposition will push them to it

Mille scampeaux (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 26 September 2020 12:08 (seven hours ago) link

When Sunak said “I can’t save every business or job - no chancellor could” I thought well ok, but a chancellor with a bit of imagination and the will to use it would come up with something to minimise damage to the economy and protect ppl’s livelihoods (not necessarily jobs) that was a little stronger than £10 off burgers and 22% to keep “viable” people on another 6 months

(Dodds ain’t it)

Gab B. Nebsit (wins), Saturday, 26 September 2020 12:26 (seven hours ago) link

Seems the Trafalgar Square covidiot protests are now weekly? lol London really needed yet another factor helping the epidemic along.

Daniel_Rf, Saturday, 26 September 2020 12:27 (seven hours ago) link

Someone start a rumour there are 7 BLM protesters hanging out there, they’ll be dispersed and fined by teatime

Gab B. Nebsit (wins), Saturday, 26 September 2020 12:29 (seven hours ago) link

In years to come historians are going to be horrified that the government merrily encouraged millions of people to put themselves and others at risk of chronic long-term illness, fucked-up neurological shit, or death in order to "help out" an economy that wouldn't adequately help them out if they were unable to work.

Matt DC, Saturday, 26 September 2020 12:31 (seven hours ago) link

A prominent discussion of the pros and cons of UBI was written by ...

John Lanchester!

https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v41/n14/john-lanchester/good-new-idea

the pinefox, Saturday, 26 September 2020 12:56 (six hours ago) link

in order to "help out" an economy

Good thing there's no connection between unemployment and the ability to completely isolate in order to prevent the spread of the economy-destroying pandemic. Not gonna be any Tory-unpalatable side-effects from 1m+ extra unemployed, I'm sure.

stet, Saturday, 26 September 2020 13:14 (six hours ago) link

Every day a new low.

EXC: Keir Starmer has begun sending personalised letters to attract former major Labour donors who left under Jeremy Corbyn

Among those who have received them is David Abrahams, the Newcastle property developer who donated more than £650,000 to the party under Tony Blair pic.twitter.com/ZqujEcbDJI

— Eleni Courea (@EleniCourea) September 26, 2020

seumas milm (gyac), Saturday, 26 September 2020 13:21 (six hours ago) link

Also, Jesus this is scathing and worse than I expected

You're a laughing stock, @Keir_Starmer. Get a grip or get out!

"If this was a drinking game and you drank every time he said 'I support the government' you'd be like passed out by now, wouldn't yer?" #Gogglebox (1/2) pic.twitter.com/LGdky3tyGP

— The Agitator (@UKDemockery) September 25, 2020

&

"Keir's gonna turn around and go 'well, to be honest Boris is right, I am great at hindsight and I support everything he says.'" #Gogglebox (2/2) pic.twitter.com/Yvo3HmP0I4

— The Agitator (@UKDemockery) September 25, 2020

seumas milm (gyac), Saturday, 26 September 2020 14:00 (five hours ago) link

Yes. He's bad, isn't he?

the pinefox, Saturday, 26 September 2020 14:19 (five hours ago) link

So much worse than I expected and every day he’s worse.

seumas milm (gyac), Saturday, 26 September 2020 14:22 (five hours ago) link

I do have some very practicable and realistic suggestions on how he could be "improved", but I got banned for posting them last time!

calzino, Saturday, 26 September 2020 14:26 (five hours ago) link

Fond as I am of many of the Goggleboxers it wasn't exactly an incisive critique, but it's probably another step along the road to Kieth's unshakeable public image as a bloviating fence-sitter

Mille scampeaux (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 26 September 2020 14:36 (five hours ago) link

Actual lol

xp

crisp, Saturday, 26 September 2020 14:37 (five hours ago) link

It doesn't especially matter if it's incisive or not, it's in the apolitical mainstream now and it wasn't before.

Matt DC, Saturday, 26 September 2020 14:39 (five hours ago) link

No one on mainstream TV has really bothered to try and satirise Starmer yet and, even if it's shit and unfunny, there might be a compelling reason to start doing so.

Matt DC, Saturday, 26 September 2020 14:49 (four hours ago) link

As I said, a step towards his public image being fixed to waht we already know. It's possible that a boring empty vessel of a manager might hold some attraction to a section of the electorate after Boris's Wild Ride so even that mightn't kill him, just needs to take a few tips from Blair's shirtsleeves fake passion playbook. Obv if every unfunny light entertainer spends the next four years calling him a boring cunt it'll provide some gentle lulz, at best

Mille scampeaux (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 26 September 2020 14:54 (four hours ago) link

But I'd be happier if people were calling him a racist and a billionaire's stooge, obv

Mille scampeaux (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 26 September 2020 14:56 (four hours ago) link

One odd thing about the interview clips was that at moments his old voice / accent seemed to be coming out - the very bizarrely different one from the McDonald's legal case video?

the pinefox, Saturday, 26 September 2020 15:08 (four hours ago) link

As linked by stet but this teaching guidance really is desperate, laughable, contradictory, unenforceable fascist horseshit

pic.twitter.com/VzIvz9CBqp

— tetrapod (@pancake_puns) September 25, 2020

nashwan, Saturday, 26 September 2020 15:20 (four hours ago) link

I agree.

This relates specifically to "personal, social, health and economic (PHSE) education"?

We didn't have that when I was at school. Very odd collocation and seems typical of how overcoded and overdetermined these things now are.

the pinefox, Saturday, 26 September 2020 15:46 (three hours ago) link

Jesus Christ

BREAKING: Boris Johnson has asked former Mail editor Paul Dacre to run thr broadcasting watchdog Ofcom. Charles Moore is close to a done deal to be BBC chairman https://t.co/rlQmfcDSGq

— Tim Shipman (@ShippersUnbound) September 26, 2020

Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Saturday, 26 September 2020 17:33 (two hours ago) link

fuck

you are like a scampicane, there's calm in your fries (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 26 September 2020 17:39 (two hours ago) link

i'm starting a "please help me emigrate" kickstarter if anybody's feeling flush

Mille scampeaux (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 26 September 2020 17:46 (one hour ago) link

i’m feeling flush with something alright

you are like a scampicane, there's calm in your fries (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 26 September 2020 18:01 (one hour ago) link

I agree. Just when you think things can't get any worse - they do.

the pinefox, Saturday, 26 September 2020 18:07 (one hour ago) link

jesus christ.

moore is a climate change denier, a covid denier... eton, trinity college...

fuck

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 26 September 2020 18:40 (one hour ago) link

fuck, this is really bad

stet, Saturday, 26 September 2020 19:03 (thirty-eight minutes ago) link

It's almost as if nothing matters

Mille scampeaux (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 26 September 2020 19:03 (thirty-eight minutes ago) link

9 cops injured at the anti-mask protests, crickets from the usual lot

stet, Saturday, 26 September 2020 19:41 (ten seconds ago) link


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