We Still Have a Government, Right?: Canadian Politics 2020

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I was thinking it was strange that afaict Trudeau has not made any comment at all about the assassination of Soleimani and resulting tensions in the Middle East. (Afaik, this fairly wishy-washy statement from the Foreign Affairs Minister is the only official comment I've seen reported?: https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/canada-calls-for-restraint-in-iran-following-death-of-iranian-general-qassem-soleimani. Singh came out against it.) Then I started wondering if it might actually be a smart move to completely wait things out.

Un sang impur (Sund4r), Monday, 6 January 2020 16:50 (eight months ago) link

Keeping in mind that four of the passengers killed were from my university, so I am in no way taking any of this lightly, I'm really nervous about what Trudeau's active response to all of this will be.

Maria Edgelord (cryptosicko), Thursday, 9 January 2020 20:43 (eight months ago) link

don't really expect anything drastic from trudeau regarding this? i mean it's not really his mo and not much canada could do unilaterally in any case.

bidenfan69420 (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 9 January 2020 20:44 (eight months ago) link

Isn't this something:
https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/a-majority-of-canadians-want-prince-harry-to-become-governor-general?fbclid=IwAR2Rj6eNn7es_404GoZX56TbIfvdUfUCpQjSIQ7zZna2vDszhtaY0vd_MeQ

It would be a reversion to pre-1952 norms to have an actual British noble as GG.

Un sang impur (Sund4r), Friday, 10 January 2020 00:17 (eight months ago) link

Isn't this something:
https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/a-majority-of-canadians-want-prince-harry-to-become-governor-general?fbclid=IwAR2Rj6eNn7es_404GoZX56TbIfvdUfUCpQjSIQ7zZna2vDszhtaY0vd_MeQ🕸

It would be a reversion to pre-1952 norms to have an actual British noble as GG.
Thats the kind of conservatism I can get behind.

Una Palooka Dronka (hardcore dilettante), Friday, 10 January 2020 01:43 (eight months ago) link

As long as we don’t have to pay for their retinue...

pomenitul, Friday, 10 January 2020 16:13 (eight months ago) link

I mean, we pay for every GG's housing and retinue but, yeah, it would be a bit obnoxious if the cost were to significantly increase bc we have an actual! Royal! in that position.

Un sang impur (Sund4r), Friday, 10 January 2020 16:35 (eight months ago) link

he seems underqualified to be governor general

symsymsym, Friday, 10 January 2020 16:39 (eight months ago) link

Sorry, I meant that GG or no, Royals settling in Canada theoretically means we as taxpayers would have to pay for their security. Or so I gather.

pomenitul, Friday, 10 January 2020 16:42 (eight months ago) link

good thing BC has that foreign property buyers tax

symsymsym, Friday, 10 January 2020 16:48 (eight months ago) link

not that I support this idea in any way, but what qualifications are required to be governor general? All it seems to be is about participating in various ceremonies and dissolving parliament every once in a while. I'm sure he'd be fine.

xxp

silverfish, Friday, 10 January 2020 16:55 (eight months ago) link

I try to ignore hearing anything about these people, but wouldn't H becoming GG conflict with their desire to not be a Royal or do Royal-style things? Maybe I missed some nuance here

rob, Friday, 10 January 2020 16:58 (eight months ago) link

As far as I know, he hasn't expressed any interest in the job of GG. I'm not sure where this idea came from but I think it's just some weird hypothetical.

silverfish, Friday, 10 January 2020 18:30 (eight months ago) link

it's dumb and i hate it.

gg should be what it is. some non-partisan canadian prominent member of civil society like, you know, an astronaut or a figure from sports or culture

bidenfan69420 (jim in vancouver), Friday, 10 January 2020 18:35 (eight months ago) link

I actually thought Trudeau was pretty good on Flight 752 here (not that informative on the coastal gaslink pipeline): https://globalnews.ca/news/6404191/justin-trudeau-iran-plane-crash-2020/

“If there were no tensions, if there was no escalation recently in the region, those Canadians would be right now home with their families,” said Trudeau.

“This is something that happens when you have conflict and war. Innocents bear the brunt of it and it is a reminder why all of us need to work so hard on de-escalation, moving forward to reduce tensions and find a pathway that doesn’t involve further conflict and killing.”

One must put up barriers to keep oneself intact (Sund4r), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 14:40 (eight months ago) link

Didn't hold back from both expressing that he would have preferred a heads-up wrt the assassination and that there are concerns about being able to trust the Iranian regime wrt investigating this.

One must put up barriers to keep oneself intact (Sund4r), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 14:45 (eight months ago) link

Short of shrugging off our centuries-old American yoke and dealing with the ensuing fallout, I have no idea what Trudeau could do to make Canada look like less of a pushover on the world stage.

pomenitul, Tuesday, 14 January 2020 14:52 (eight months ago) link

Surely the yoke was British before the mid-20th century?

One must put up barriers to keep oneself intact (Sund4r), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 15:07 (eight months ago) link

Why not both? But yes, hyperbole got the better of me.

pomenitul, Tuesday, 14 January 2020 15:08 (eight months ago) link

Not all heroes wear capes. pic.twitter.com/Z1qD2t0OL2

— Waylon, vicariously (@BannockHammock) January 15, 2020

symsymsym, Thursday, 16 January 2020 05:54 (eight months ago) link

I've never been to Vancouver and this is exactly how I picture it.

pomenitul, Thursday, 16 January 2020 09:31 (eight months ago) link

that is some excellent microphone use.

bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Thursday, 16 January 2020 13:24 (eight months ago) link

i see that guy around at after hours and stuff lol. has gone very viral in my east vancouver bubble

bidenfan69420 (jim in vancouver), Friday, 17 January 2020 00:06 (eight months ago) link

don't know that I'd be able to get that many words in, in such a short time

symsymsym, Friday, 17 January 2020 03:44 (eight months ago) link

https://newrepublic.com/article/156214/colonizer-always-comes

symsymsym, Monday, 20 January 2020 19:01 (eight months ago) link

Guess who was picked to build an extension to our disaster of a new LRT/subway in Ottawa: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/snc-lavalin-technical-evaluation-1.5438697?cmp=rss

SNC-Lavalin was awarded the $1.6-billion contract to extend Ottawa's north-south Trillium Line last March even though the team assembled to assess the bids reached a "unanimous consensus that the proposal should not be considered further in the evaluation process," according to documents released by the city Thursday night.

The SNC-Lavalin bid failed to include a signalling or train control system, had no plan for snow removal and, at one point, appeared to believe the trains that run on the Trillium Line were electric, not diesel...

On Oct. 3, the team concluded SNC-Lavalin's proposal "failed all four technical categories."

It sometimes seems like Ford is paying Watson to throw the next election to a hard-right populist.

With considerable charm, you still have made a choice (Sund4r), Friday, 24 January 2020 17:00 (eight months ago) link

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/as-it-happens-tuesday-edition-1.5443076/montreal-family-stranded-in-china-during-coronavirus-lockdown-seeks-help-from-canada-1.5443082

Not even picking up the phone is unfortunately par for the course, in my experience.

pomenitul, Wednesday, 29 January 2020 14:24 (seven months ago) link

:(

With considerable charm, you still have made a choice (Sund4r), Wednesday, 29 January 2020 15:09 (seven months ago) link

USMCA ratification legislation tabled, with only the Bloc dissenting on the ways and means bill: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/liberal-government-nafta-implementation-bill-trump-1.5444947

With considerable charm, you still have made a choice (Sund4r), Friday, 31 January 2020 04:27 (seven months ago) link

Haven't seen anything in the mainstream press yet but this seems like it might shape up to be an odd story: https://pressprogress.ca/mysterious-group-uses-made-up-name-and-fake-mom-to-attack-teachers-in-canadas-biggest-newspapers/

FFS. 🤦‍♂️

See the Vaughan Working Families twitter account, thanking Lecce for the fight against teachers? Check out the photo they used.

That's dead NYC billionaire Matthew Mellon. Ironically, the Mellons spend millions to fight for more teacher engagement. 🙄#onpoli pic.twitter.com/vXVV3wY8Ba

— Stephen Punwasi (@StephenPunwasi) February 3, 2020

With considerable charm, you still have made a choice (Sund4r), Monday, 3 February 2020 14:47 (seven months ago) link

That's pathetically low.

toilet-cleaning brain surgeon (pomenitul), Monday, 3 February 2020 15:54 (seven months ago) link

I'm hearing a lot about this on Radio-Canada: https://www.google.com/amp/s/montrealgazette.com/news/quebec/legault-blasts-trudeau-for-federal-funding-granted-to-emsbs-bill-21-challenge/amp

Afaict, the EMSB is receiving funding through the Court Challenges Program, which, afaik, is a program that allows any group to receive funds for a charter rights court challenge. I'm not sure that Trudeau even has much to do with it? He did make a supportive statement at the least, though.

Major strike day for teachers in ON today I gather (albeit not at the schools where I worked).

With considerable charm, you still have made a choice (Sund4r), Thursday, 6 February 2020 19:24 (seven months ago) link

Holy shit

Conservative Leader Andrew Scheers says the "protesters" need to check their "privilege" and let the rail system open again. #Wet'suwet'en. pic.twitter.com/dQKZ6IKouU

— APTN National News (@APTNNews) February 14, 2020

jmm, Friday, 14 February 2020 19:36 (seven months ago) link

amazing.

bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Friday, 14 February 2020 19:37 (seven months ago) link

inject it into my veins!

frederik b. godt (jim in vancouver), Friday, 14 February 2020 19:42 (seven months ago) link

been out at actions most days for the last week so thank you, scheer for the added impetus to keep on going

frederik b. godt (jim in vancouver), Friday, 14 February 2020 19:45 (seven months ago) link

two weeks pass...

So positive reports from the first day of negotiations with the hereditary chiefs?

Will admit I've been finding the Coastal Gaslink issue hard to fully get a handle on/take a position on, insofar as I can see why both the band leaders and the hereditary chiefs hold the positions they do. The BC govt's support for it is also interesting in light of their opposition to TransMountain.

Sund4r, Saturday, 29 February 2020 13:19 (six months ago) link

I know many (maybe most) Canadian ILX people aren't big on Trudeau. Are you okay with him in charge of the coronavirus response? Maybe I shouldn't be, but I am. I think he'll at least take counsel from the right people, act on it, and spend whatever needs to be spent.

clemenza, Thursday, 5 March 2020 03:29 (six months ago) link

My one big international work trip this year is Montreal, so he better be on his game

El Tomboto, Thursday, 5 March 2020 03:32 (six months ago) link

I might just be lowering the bar and comparing him to Trump, but at the very least, I can't see him ever, under any circumstances, looking to Trump for the right response (even if he might pay lip service in public--there has to be a certain amount of coordination between the two countries).

clemenza, Thursday, 5 March 2020 03:44 (six months ago) link

I'm no expert but it mostly seems appropriate so far?

Sund4r, Thursday, 5 March 2020 03:48 (six months ago) link

seems fine

sean gramophone, Thursday, 5 March 2020 04:08 (six months ago) link

Blockades come down in Quebec: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/quebec-kahnawake-blockade-1.5486733

Sund4r, Friday, 6 March 2020 04:29 (six months ago) link

I owe them another donation.

bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Friday, 6 March 2020 04:33 (six months ago) link

New ON Lib leader: https://toronto.citynews.ca/2020/03/07/ontario-liberals-new-leader/

Sund4r, Monday, 9 March 2020 00:19 (six months ago) link

I freely admit to remembering nothing about him from his cabinet days.

Sund4r, Monday, 9 March 2020 00:21 (six months ago) link

I said to a friend yesterday that when I try to get my mind around two weeks from now, I can't.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/trudeau-self-isolating-as-wife-sophie-awaits-result-of-covid-19-test-1.4850159

clemenza, Thursday, 12 March 2020 16:38 (six months ago) link

Legault just asked everyone who is arriving from abroad to self-isolate for 14 days. This will be me tomorrow.

romanesque architect (pomenitul), Thursday, 12 March 2020 17:11 (six months ago) link

This was posted 10 hours ago, but I just heard it now from CNN--I thought my FB wall would have been filled.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/sophie-gregoire-trudeau-tests-positive-for-covid-19-1.4850159

clemenza, Friday, 13 March 2020 02:02 (six months ago) link

It does seem a little disingenuous that MK defends Sweden's approach by saying its deaths per million is lower than the US's (the two are close) and then responds that deaths/1M pop is an unreliable metric when pressed on the vast difference between Sweden and its Nordic neighbours on that metric.

The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Monday, 21 September 2020 17:25 (five days ago) link

BC election time baby

Wayne Grotski (symsymsym), Monday, 21 September 2020 18:01 (five days ago) link

feels like an epic Theresa May-esque miscalculation

Wayne Grotski (symsymsym), Monday, 21 September 2020 18:01 (five days ago) link

Interesting:

A recent poll from the Angus Reid Institute suggests if an election were held right now, the NDP would win a massive victory.

The survey suggests 48 per cent of decided voters would choose the NDP, 29 per cent would vote Liberal, and 14 per cent would opt for the Greens.

https://globalnews.ca/news/7344215/british-columbians-heading-to-the-polls-on-october-24-in-fall-election/

xp Why would this be a miscalculation?

The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Monday, 21 September 2020 18:02 (five days ago) link

gut says they'll do well

rascal clobber (jim in vancouver), Monday, 21 September 2020 18:15 (five days ago) link

lots of reasons...I think their support is soft, Adrian Dix had similar giant polling leads in 2013 that evaporated by election day. The NDP have never won 48 pct before, they've formed govt by winning around 41 pct and having the other parties split their vote.

Horgan's current popularity is due to a rally-round-the-flag effect and a perception of the NDP's competence in handling Covid. But the people who are most concerned about the pandemic are the ones who are likely to turn on them for calling an unnecessary election during a pandemic.

Children have gone back to school in the last couple weeks, the teachers who make up NDP's voting and financial base are feeling extremely unsupported by the govt. And there are already many exposures at schools: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/covid-19-exposures-bc-schools-1.5732050

I also think people are underestimating the leaders of the Liberal and Green party...if the Liberals are good at anything, it's stoking media outrage about bullshit, and that's all they really need to do this campaign. The Greens just elected Sonia Furstenau, who is a much more genuine progressive than their previous leader and is a good home for voters pissed off about the NDP's stances on indigenous sovereignty and resource extraction.

Wayne Grotski (symsymsym), Monday, 21 September 2020 18:16 (five days ago) link

on the other hand, they start with the advantage in money, organization, and they've been announcing big name MPs in many important swing ridings the last couple weeks. They've come up with a smart strategy to take over the majority, I just somehow doubt that voters will co-operate.

Wayne Grotski (symsymsym), Monday, 21 September 2020 18:19 (five days ago) link

They are losing a lot of quite high-profile MLAs including numerous cabinet ministers who are stepping down, including my own MLA. I'm in a safe NDP seat but not sure about the others. Also, there are seats that could be competitive but there is such a short time for the NDP to even select a candidate for some of them let alone put together a decent enough campaign to unseat the incumbents.

everything, Monday, 21 September 2020 18:42 (five days ago) link

afaik they are all fairly solid NDP seats. the question for me is why are so many ministers not standing for reelection, but I've heard less than glowing things about Horgan from people who have worked with him

rascal clobber (jim in vancouver), Monday, 21 September 2020 18:47 (five days ago) link

The point is they have to win all the ones they won before, plus a few more. What are the ones they could possibly win from the Liberals right now? - the one in Coquitlam, Vancouver-False Creek, one or two in North Van or Vancouver Island? These ridings don't even have candidates yet. And the Liberal strongholds in the interior all seem safe as houses.

everything, Monday, 21 September 2020 18:50 (five days ago) link

Sorry, I see Finn Donnely is running in Coquitlam Burke Mountain.

everything, Monday, 21 September 2020 18:52 (five days ago) link

I'm assuming they've done some polling and this isn't just a roll of the dice

rascal clobber (jim in vancouver), Monday, 21 September 2020 18:58 (five days ago) link

And Murray Rankin is running in Oak Bay. Wow, a lot happened in the last week.

everything, Monday, 21 September 2020 18:59 (five days ago) link

Oh, it's only been three years since the last election?

The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Monday, 21 September 2020 19:00 (five days ago) link

Voters do punish that sometimes - how the NDP ended up winning ON in 1990.

The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Monday, 21 September 2020 19:01 (five days ago) link

They are certainly in a strong position right now and the polls are great. Just seems like the wrong time.

everything, Monday, 21 September 2020 19:09 (five days ago) link

Yeah they're running Nathan Cullen in a safe interior seat too

Wayne Grotski (symsymsym), Monday, 21 September 2020 20:11 (five days ago) link

Here's a decent round-up of the swing ridings: https://globalnews.ca/news/7344240/14-ridings-bc-election/

everything, Monday, 21 September 2020 20:59 (five days ago) link

Any predictions for tonight?

Either way, I find it somewhat rich that the two party leaders likeliest to vote no-confidence are both self-isolating right now because they tested positive for covid.

sock solipsist (pomenitul), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 17:16 (three days ago) link

I'm more concerned about the Breonna Taylor verdict tbh

healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 18:03 (three days ago) link

Bit of a weird thing to post itt, but sure. Anyway, looks like one officer was indicted on criminal charges.

sock solipsist (pomenitul), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 18:10 (three days ago) link

very bullshit charges

despacito ergo sum (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 18:23 (three days ago) link

or charge singular rather

despacito ergo sum (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 18:23 (three days ago) link

'Wanton endangerment' does indeed sound like bullshit. If only Taylor had merely been 'endangered'.

sock solipsist (pomenitul), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 18:25 (three days ago) link

oh sorry, it is 3 charges of wanton endangerment - for firing into another apartment.

despacito ergo sum (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 18:31 (three days ago) link

but I'm not overly concerned about tonight's throne speech etc. don't think there'll be a no confidence vote but don't really care if there is - grits are ahead in the polls in any case, don't think we have much risk of tory rule anytime soon and that's really all that federal politics comes down to for me

despacito ergo sum (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 18:32 (three days ago) link

We've had CPAC on but Payette seems delayed?

Not sure what to expect. Probably more health care funding but hopefully some coordinated plan to fix LTC. UBI seems unlikely but they might extend CERB and expand EI.

The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 18:38 (three days ago) link

Oh wait I think they're being valled to the Senate? I have been drifting obv

The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 18:40 (three days ago) link

I took out the garbage and apparently missed the announcement of a natl child care program and EI coverage for the self-employed and gig workers?

The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 19:17 (three days ago) link

Closing stock option loopholes and taxing digital giants

The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 19:18 (three days ago) link

Nice.

sock solipsist (pomenitul), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 19:19 (three days ago) link

"this is no time for austerity"

thank fuck

despacito ergo sum (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 19:20 (three days ago) link

See, Simon, this place isn't so bad.

sock solipsist (pomenitul), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 19:21 (three days ago) link

Moving towards universal pharmacare and a rare disease strategy!

The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 19:24 (three days ago) link

Cue hand-wringing about fiscal responsibility.

sock solipsist (pomenitul), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 19:26 (three days ago) link

Pharmacare would be huge

despacito ergo sum (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 19:26 (three days ago) link

Also measures to facilitate independent living outside of LTC homes, which is v important.

Homelessness strategy and expansion of housing investment

The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 19:26 (three days ago) link

Ban on single use plastics

The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 19:35 (three days ago) link

That one was a long time coming.

sock solipsist (pomenitul), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 19:39 (three days ago) link

Expanded intl development as well

OK, I realize this isn't actual legislation but that was kind of incredible.

The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 19:50 (three days ago) link

(speech as a whole)

The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 19:50 (three days ago) link

Fuck this headline:

https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/politique/2020-09-23/un-discours-du-trone-qui-laisse-presager-d-importantes-depenses.php

That's your sole takeaway? And La Presse isn't even especially right-leaning.

sock solipsist (pomenitul), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 19:52 (three days ago) link

Even the Natl Post is better tbh.

The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 19:57 (three days ago) link

Heh, that's quite the unexpected contrast. No openly snarky paragraphs such as this one:

Mis à part le « 19 » de COVID-19, on retrouve dans ce discours peu de chiffres susceptibles de donner une idée de l’ampleur des dépenses du gouvernement fédéral, dont le déficit pour 2020-2021 a été évalué à 343 milliards de dollars en juillet dernier par l’ancien ministre des Finances, Bill Morneau. Le prochain rendez-vous est fixé à l’automne, alors que sa successeure, Chrystia Freeland, fera le point sur les finances publiques.

sock solipsist (pomenitul), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 20:00 (three days ago) link

Sorry to post re: Breonna Taylor upthread-- meant to post elsewhere. Still concerned.

healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Thursday, 24 September 2020 01:24 (two days ago) link

gentlemen you can't apologize in here, this is the Canadian politics thread

Wayne Grotski (symsymsym), Thursday, 24 September 2020 01:33 (two days ago) link

Ontario finally came to its senses and closed strip clubs. Also a ban on liquor sales after 11 pm, which must have been a painful decision for Ford.

The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Friday, 25 September 2020 16:56 (yesterday) link

Agree that it's interesting.

The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Saturday, 26 September 2020 03:14 (six hours ago) link


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