We Still Have a Government, Right?: Canadian Politics 2020

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I was thinking it was strange that afaict Trudeau has not made any comment at all about the assassination of Soleimani and resulting tensions in the Middle East. (Afaik, this fairly wishy-washy statement from the Foreign Affairs Minister is the only official comment I've seen reported?: https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/canada-calls-for-restraint-in-iran-following-death-of-iranian-general-qassem-soleimani. Singh came out against it.) Then I started wondering if it might actually be a smart move to completely wait things out.

Un sang impur (Sund4r), Monday, 6 January 2020 16:50 (ten months ago) link

Keeping in mind that four of the passengers killed were from my university, so I am in no way taking any of this lightly, I'm really nervous about what Trudeau's active response to all of this will be.

Maria Edgelord (cryptosicko), Thursday, 9 January 2020 20:43 (ten months ago) link

don't really expect anything drastic from trudeau regarding this? i mean it's not really his mo and not much canada could do unilaterally in any case.

bidenfan69420 (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 9 January 2020 20:44 (ten months ago) link

Isn't this something:

It would be a reversion to pre-1952 norms to have an actual British noble as GG.

Un sang impur (Sund4r), Friday, 10 January 2020 00:17 (ten months ago) link

Isn't this something:

It would be a reversion to pre-1952 norms to have an actual British noble as GG.
Thats the kind of conservatism I can get behind.

Una Palooka Dronka (hardcore dilettante), Friday, 10 January 2020 01:43 (ten months ago) link

As long as we don’t have to pay for their retinue...

pomenitul, Friday, 10 January 2020 16:13 (ten months ago) link

I mean, we pay for every GG's housing and retinue but, yeah, it would be a bit obnoxious if the cost were to significantly increase bc we have an actual! Royal! in that position.

Un sang impur (Sund4r), Friday, 10 January 2020 16:35 (ten months ago) link

he seems underqualified to be governor general

symsymsym, Friday, 10 January 2020 16:39 (ten months ago) link

Sorry, I meant that GG or no, Royals settling in Canada theoretically means we as taxpayers would have to pay for their security. Or so I gather.

pomenitul, Friday, 10 January 2020 16:42 (ten months ago) link

good thing BC has that foreign property buyers tax

symsymsym, Friday, 10 January 2020 16:48 (ten months ago) link

not that I support this idea in any way, but what qualifications are required to be governor general? All it seems to be is about participating in various ceremonies and dissolving parliament every once in a while. I'm sure he'd be fine.


silverfish, Friday, 10 January 2020 16:55 (ten months ago) link

I try to ignore hearing anything about these people, but wouldn't H becoming GG conflict with their desire to not be a Royal or do Royal-style things? Maybe I missed some nuance here

rob, Friday, 10 January 2020 16:58 (ten months ago) link

As far as I know, he hasn't expressed any interest in the job of GG. I'm not sure where this idea came from but I think it's just some weird hypothetical.

silverfish, Friday, 10 January 2020 18:30 (ten months ago) link

it's dumb and i hate it.

gg should be what it is. some non-partisan canadian prominent member of civil society like, you know, an astronaut or a figure from sports or culture

bidenfan69420 (jim in vancouver), Friday, 10 January 2020 18:35 (ten months ago) link

I actually thought Trudeau was pretty good on Flight 752 here (not that informative on the coastal gaslink pipeline): https://globalnews.ca/news/6404191/justin-trudeau-iran-plane-crash-2020/

“If there were no tensions, if there was no escalation recently in the region, those Canadians would be right now home with their families,” said Trudeau.

“This is something that happens when you have conflict and war. Innocents bear the brunt of it and it is a reminder why all of us need to work so hard on de-escalation, moving forward to reduce tensions and find a pathway that doesn’t involve further conflict and killing.”

One must put up barriers to keep oneself intact (Sund4r), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 14:40 (ten months ago) link

Didn't hold back from both expressing that he would have preferred a heads-up wrt the assassination and that there are concerns about being able to trust the Iranian regime wrt investigating this.

One must put up barriers to keep oneself intact (Sund4r), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 14:45 (ten months ago) link

Short of shrugging off our centuries-old American yoke and dealing with the ensuing fallout, I have no idea what Trudeau could do to make Canada look like less of a pushover on the world stage.

pomenitul, Tuesday, 14 January 2020 14:52 (ten months ago) link

Surely the yoke was British before the mid-20th century?

One must put up barriers to keep oneself intact (Sund4r), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 15:07 (ten months ago) link

Why not both? But yes, hyperbole got the better of me.

pomenitul, Tuesday, 14 January 2020 15:08 (ten months ago) link

Not all heroes wear capes. pic.twitter.com/Z1qD2t0OL2

— Waylon, vicariously (@BannockHammock) January 15, 2020

symsymsym, Thursday, 16 January 2020 05:54 (ten months ago) link

I've never been to Vancouver and this is exactly how I picture it.

pomenitul, Thursday, 16 January 2020 09:31 (ten months ago) link

that is some excellent microphone use.

bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Thursday, 16 January 2020 13:24 (ten months ago) link

i see that guy around at after hours and stuff lol. has gone very viral in my east vancouver bubble

bidenfan69420 (jim in vancouver), Friday, 17 January 2020 00:06 (ten months ago) link

don't know that I'd be able to get that many words in, in such a short time

symsymsym, Friday, 17 January 2020 03:44 (ten months ago) link


symsymsym, Monday, 20 January 2020 19:01 (ten months ago) link

Guess who was picked to build an extension to our disaster of a new LRT/subway in Ottawa: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/snc-lavalin-technical-evaluation-1.5438697?cmp=rss

SNC-Lavalin was awarded the $1.6-billion contract to extend Ottawa's north-south Trillium Line last March even though the team assembled to assess the bids reached a "unanimous consensus that the proposal should not be considered further in the evaluation process," according to documents released by the city Thursday night.

The SNC-Lavalin bid failed to include a signalling or train control system, had no plan for snow removal and, at one point, appeared to believe the trains that run on the Trillium Line were electric, not diesel...

On Oct. 3, the team concluded SNC-Lavalin's proposal "failed all four technical categories."

It sometimes seems like Ford is paying Watson to throw the next election to a hard-right populist.

With considerable charm, you still have made a choice (Sund4r), Friday, 24 January 2020 17:00 (ten months ago) link


Not even picking up the phone is unfortunately par for the course, in my experience.

pomenitul, Wednesday, 29 January 2020 14:24 (nine months ago) link


With considerable charm, you still have made a choice (Sund4r), Wednesday, 29 January 2020 15:09 (nine months ago) link

USMCA ratification legislation tabled, with only the Bloc dissenting on the ways and means bill: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/liberal-government-nafta-implementation-bill-trump-1.5444947

With considerable charm, you still have made a choice (Sund4r), Friday, 31 January 2020 04:27 (nine months ago) link

Haven't seen anything in the mainstream press yet but this seems like it might shape up to be an odd story: https://pressprogress.ca/mysterious-group-uses-made-up-name-and-fake-mom-to-attack-teachers-in-canadas-biggest-newspapers/

FFS. 🤦‍♂️

See the Vaughan Working Families twitter account, thanking Lecce for the fight against teachers? Check out the photo they used.

That's dead NYC billionaire Matthew Mellon. Ironically, the Mellons spend millions to fight for more teacher engagement. 🙄#onpoli pic.twitter.com/vXVV3wY8Ba

— Stephen Punwasi (@StephenPunwasi) February 3, 2020

With considerable charm, you still have made a choice (Sund4r), Monday, 3 February 2020 14:47 (nine months ago) link

That's pathetically low.

toilet-cleaning brain surgeon (pomenitul), Monday, 3 February 2020 15:54 (nine months ago) link

I'm hearing a lot about this on Radio-Canada: https://www.google.com/amp/s/montrealgazette.com/news/quebec/legault-blasts-trudeau-for-federal-funding-granted-to-emsbs-bill-21-challenge/amp

Afaict, the EMSB is receiving funding through the Court Challenges Program, which, afaik, is a program that allows any group to receive funds for a charter rights court challenge. I'm not sure that Trudeau even has much to do with it? He did make a supportive statement at the least, though.

Major strike day for teachers in ON today I gather (albeit not at the schools where I worked).

With considerable charm, you still have made a choice (Sund4r), Thursday, 6 February 2020 19:24 (nine months ago) link

Holy shit

Conservative Leader Andrew Scheers says the "protesters" need to check their "privilege" and let the rail system open again. #Wet'suwet'en. pic.twitter.com/dQKZ6IKouU

— APTN National News (@APTNNews) February 14, 2020

jmm, Friday, 14 February 2020 19:36 (nine months ago) link


bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Friday, 14 February 2020 19:37 (nine months ago) link

inject it into my veins!

frederik b. godt (jim in vancouver), Friday, 14 February 2020 19:42 (nine months ago) link

been out at actions most days for the last week so thank you, scheer for the added impetus to keep on going

frederik b. godt (jim in vancouver), Friday, 14 February 2020 19:45 (nine months ago) link

two weeks pass...

So positive reports from the first day of negotiations with the hereditary chiefs?

Will admit I've been finding the Coastal Gaslink issue hard to fully get a handle on/take a position on, insofar as I can see why both the band leaders and the hereditary chiefs hold the positions they do. The BC govt's support for it is also interesting in light of their opposition to TransMountain.

Sund4r, Saturday, 29 February 2020 13:19 (eight months ago) link

I know many (maybe most) Canadian ILX people aren't big on Trudeau. Are you okay with him in charge of the coronavirus response? Maybe I shouldn't be, but I am. I think he'll at least take counsel from the right people, act on it, and spend whatever needs to be spent.

clemenza, Thursday, 5 March 2020 03:29 (eight months ago) link

My one big international work trip this year is Montreal, so he better be on his game

El Tomboto, Thursday, 5 March 2020 03:32 (eight months ago) link

I might just be lowering the bar and comparing him to Trump, but at the very least, I can't see him ever, under any circumstances, looking to Trump for the right response (even if he might pay lip service in public--there has to be a certain amount of coordination between the two countries).

clemenza, Thursday, 5 March 2020 03:44 (eight months ago) link

I'm no expert but it mostly seems appropriate so far?

Sund4r, Thursday, 5 March 2020 03:48 (eight months ago) link

seems fine

sean gramophone, Thursday, 5 March 2020 04:08 (eight months ago) link

Blockades come down in Quebec: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/quebec-kahnawake-blockade-1.5486733

Sund4r, Friday, 6 March 2020 04:29 (eight months ago) link

I owe them another donation.

bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Friday, 6 March 2020 04:33 (eight months ago) link

New ON Lib leader: https://toronto.citynews.ca/2020/03/07/ontario-liberals-new-leader/

Sund4r, Monday, 9 March 2020 00:19 (eight months ago) link

I freely admit to remembering nothing about him from his cabinet days.

Sund4r, Monday, 9 March 2020 00:21 (eight months ago) link

I said to a friend yesterday that when I try to get my mind around two weeks from now, I can't.


clemenza, Thursday, 12 March 2020 16:38 (eight months ago) link

Legault just asked everyone who is arriving from abroad to self-isolate for 14 days. This will be me tomorrow.

romanesque architect (pomenitul), Thursday, 12 March 2020 17:11 (eight months ago) link

This was posted 10 hours ago, but I just heard it now from CNN--I thought my FB wall would have been filled.


clemenza, Friday, 13 March 2020 02:02 (eight months ago) link

Thanks, Kim. When it's 12 kids, I've felt pretty safe--no worse than the supermarket, anyway. When it jumps over 20, though, I think I'd start to feel some anxiety, and then there's no point going in.

clemenza, Tuesday, 10 November 2020 19:58 (two weeks ago) link

Toronto reverting to earlier restrictions - no indoor dining or gyms, no gatherings with people you don't live with.

it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 02:29 (two weeks ago) link

Welp, between that, the way teachers were left to sink or swim, and this story, any surprise goodwill I had beginning for Ford is waning fast.


Kim, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 23:13 (two weeks ago) link

My wife is aghast at how Ford has pushed this change through under the guise of helping the (post-)pandemic era economy. She is in a couple of environmental groups that are fighting it.

Halfway there but for you, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 23:40 (two weeks ago) link

Oh wow

I guess I'd be lonesome (Sund4r), Thursday, 12 November 2020 00:33 (two weeks ago) link

Saskatoon ICUs stop accepting out-of-town patients, with reports of being at 126-133% capacity this month.

I guess I'd be lonesome (Sund4r), Saturday, 14 November 2020 17:08 (one week ago) link

Winter’s gonna be hard.

pomenitul, Saturday, 14 November 2020 17:55 (one week ago) link


This pipeline has been a massive ecological disaster waiting to happen for ages now, so it’s understandable. Unfortunately expect a good bit of Canadian hardship as fallout from a shutdown.

Kim, Saturday, 14 November 2020 20:51 (one week ago) link

I'm not a parent, and I do understand the problems that would be created, but the decision not to extend Christmas break seems very wrong to me. A one-week extension is an obvious way to mitigate major problems coming out of all the family gatherings that will of course take place. And on the same day that New York closes schools, and--the first I think--a COVID-related death in Toronto.


I get an e-mail every morning with between 5-15 new LTOs (long-term occasional) in Peel. At some point, keeping schools open will be untenable because of the lack of supply teachers.

clemenza, Wednesday, 18 November 2020 20:12 (one week ago) link


Not sure if Ford means it or if he's just stalling.

clemenza, Thursday, 19 November 2020 17:22 (one week ago) link

Plan to reach net-zero carbon emissions by 2050; no concrete proposals or penalties involved aiui

actually-very-convincing (Sund4r), Friday, 20 November 2020 05:10 (six days ago) link

I found this piece, from about a week ago, interesting. The authors, both scholars in law as well as public health or epidemiology, argue that, legally, Medical Officers have far greater powers than they are using - they can, apparently, "take whatever steps the medical officer of health considers necessary", including e.g. independently ordering closures without requiring governmental approval. Interesting to see Ottawa's Vera Etches (whom I usually only see praised) criticized for even taking things like business considerations into account when they are completely outside her purview. (Having said that, Ottawa's new cases numbers seem overall to be on the decline, while aiui the province as a whole is doing worse.)


actually-very-convincing (Sund4r), Friday, 20 November 2020 05:16 (six days ago) link

28 day lockdown for Toronto and Peel. We've moved into "orange" where I am, which is still pretty slack. I'm going to make a concerted effort to get my shopping done next week. Don't want to count on the mail, don't want to risk malls closing, and don't want to face busy malls, either.

clemenza, Saturday, 21 November 2020 03:05 (five days ago) link

i think canada’s dealing well with the second wave and expect they will continue to. i dont think lockdowns of the form we saw in the first wave (widespread closure of all non-essential businesses, mass school closures) are gonna happen.

not long until vaccines are available. i think we’ll come out of the whole thing with a p enviably low death to pop rate and in very good shape economically. from my pov, canada has a really good CDC and politicians mostly let them take the reins on this and pushed a shit lot of money out

in the first wave the cases were way more concentrated geographically since the virus had just seeded. at the same time, testing capacity barely existed and we were getting high positivity rates and hospitalizations while being totally in the dark. that’s why lockdowns of that form were necessary. now that the virus has had time to spread around more evenly we’re seeing a more widespread increase in cases, and it’s happening just about everywhere. mostly caused by weather and the accompanying move indoors

flopson, Saturday, 21 November 2020 06:32 (five days ago) link

Canada-UK trade agreement:

Good news for Canadians today!

🇨🇦 and the 🇬🇧 have successfully concluded trade talks and agreed to the Canada-UK Trade Continuity Agreement.

This agreement will provide continuity and stability for Canadian businesses and workers across the country. https://t.co/JoJyY7kBTq pic.twitter.com/o6pPk3q0Nl

— Canada Trade (@CanadaTrade) November 21, 2020

actually-very-convincing (Sund4r), Saturday, 21 November 2020 16:50 (five days ago) link

(xpost) I'm not sure, but I think the Toronto/Peel lockdown is basically what was in place last spring, with the exception of schools.

I suspect teachers won't be happy, but if it essentially came down to stores or schools, I think they made the right decision.

clemenza, Saturday, 21 November 2020 16:59 (five days ago) link

It is, mind you, outrageous that Wal-Mart gets to stay open while independents don't. Is it just that Wal-Mart qualifies as a grocery store, or is there more to that?

clemenza, Saturday, 21 November 2020 17:47 (five days ago) link

hadn’t seen that. still pretty geographically targeted (although obv a lot of people live there) and yeah no schools

closing schools is terrible imo

flopson, Saturday, 21 November 2020 17:50 (five days ago) link

some wal marts have entire grocery stores in them and are probably an essential service to nearby communities

flopson, Saturday, 21 November 2020 17:51 (five days ago) link

Only post-secondary is going 100% online in Toronto/Peel; elementary and high schools are staying open.

clemenza, Saturday, 21 November 2020 17:53 (five days ago) link

I noticed that where I am, Perth, is one level stricter than London-Middlesex right now; pretty sure they have more cases, so it must come down to positivity rate.

clemenza, Saturday, 21 November 2020 17:57 (five days ago) link

We're ordering groceries from Wal-Mart every week rn tbh.

actually-very-convincing (Sund4r), Saturday, 21 November 2020 18:11 (five days ago) link

Yeah, I don't know about Canada, but I can presume that it is similar to the US in that many more rural communities depend on the Wallyworld for many basic necessities.

healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Saturday, 21 November 2020 22:23 (five days ago) link

I always thought the opposite was true, that a rural area would be far less likely to have a Wal-Mart around. (I'm in a town of 6,000; there are Wal-Marts 40 minutes west and 20 minutes east, with farmland on either side of town, and two grocery stores in-town.) If that's true, though, then for sure, I'd want them to remain open.

clemenza, Sunday, 22 November 2020 00:58 (four days ago) link

I guess from my experience is that in many rural parts of the US, the largest town in a given radius has the Wal-Mart, and people come from all over to shop there once or twice a month. It was certainly true when I lived in mountain California-- I had to drive 40 minutes on the interstate to get to the Wal-Mart, because all the smaller businesses marked everything up to an insane degree

healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Sunday, 22 November 2020 02:57 (four days ago) link

Listened to about 30 minutes on the CBC over this subject this afternoon. The guest was a representative from the small-business association. There were good points on all sides--the callers definitely came down in favour of smaller businesses--but what surprised me was the host. You would have come away thinking she either a) works for the government (which I guess, in a sense, she does), or b) has major holdings in Wal-Mart.

clemenza, Monday, 23 November 2020 23:20 (three days ago) link

I actually do think it’s pretty stupid to destroy small businesses that aren’t statistically significant vectors if infection. Restaurants to curbside and closed gyms etc, yes. But independents whose business is just going to the big boxes instead (who actually are proven vectors) have a legit complaint here - many of them are more than willing to set up capacity limits and other precautions and it’s awful that on a second wave of restrictions, the competitive unfairness wasn’t addressed at all. Speaking strictly of the Ontario approach anyway. I know they are doing things like segregating non essential products from instore shopping in Manitoba, but people are complaining about that too. That probably is the best way to handle the large retailers, but small footprint places should get to operate with a bit more logical discretion - like if half essential/half non essential stock in there, don’t make them deliver just that one half for curbside. It makes no sense at small scale. A capacity limit and hygiene protocol should suffice. jmo.

Any thoughts on the Grimes/Factor grant scandal? To me it seems mainly a manifestation of the shitty public view that arts funding = charity.

Kim, Wednesday, 25 November 2020 15:35 (yesterday) link

Apropos of nothing, I recalled this morning how, federally, the Liberals won every seat but 1 in Ontario in 93 (when I was in high school), every ON seat but two in 97 (when I was finishing hs), and every ON seat but three in 2000 (when I was in my third year of undergrad). It was a little startling, considering that everyone I know seems to take as a given that rural ridings in non-Northern Ontario are assumed to be guaranteed Tory territory these days by most people I know (if you run a blue cow...).

actually-very-convincing (Sund4r), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 15:41 (yesterday) link

Wow, that last sentence was mangled. I came back to the computer after stepping away, ha, and missed that I had already said the same thing at another part of the sentence.

actually-very-convincing (Sund4r), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 15:48 (yesterday) link

*are guaranteed Tory territory these days. (full stop)

actually-very-convincing (Sund4r), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 15:49 (yesterday) link

I didn't know the story about Crystal Math's FACTOR grants had become an issue among non-musicians. Not really sure what to think of it. On the one hand, I get why it seems a bit eyeroll that someone with her financial resources is getting public funding. On the other hand, you're right that it's not a means-tested grant and idk if people are even arguing that it should be as much as hating on Grimes - if anything, it's probably more like a business subsidy where they want the recipient to be financially successful. It's also true that the system has largely been successful at its stated goals of developing a Canadian music industry and star system.

actually-very-convincing (Sund4r), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 15:50 (yesterday) link

Fgti probably knows more than anyone else here?

actually-very-convincing (Sund4r), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 15:51 (yesterday) link

With regards to Canada Council/Ontario Arts Council type grants, which I know slightly more about, I will say that I do see a bit of a question to be raised with giving grants to tenured faculty composers, since their jobs already pay them to write music, which is what the grant is meant to do.

actually-very-convincing (Sund4r), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 15:56 (yesterday) link

FACTOR grants exist mostly to fund music that will be commercially successful; Grimes receiving money seems par for the course (and as many have pointed out, was most likely applied for on autopilot by the people who work for/with her). Whether some of these grants SHOULD be means-tested is relevant or interesting as a topic, I think. (shrug)

sean gramophone, Wednesday, 25 November 2020 16:28 (yesterday) link

But independents whose business is just going to the big boxes instead (who actually are proven vectors) have a legit complaint here - many of them are more than willing to set up capacity limits and other precautions

This was one of the main arguments of the small-business representative; that independents, because they only allow a few people in at a time, are much better able to monitor traffic. If an independent is full, you join a small line outside, whereas big stores are not especially attentive to, or not good at controlling, whatever capacity they're supposed to enforce. Based on personal experience, I would have to agree with this.

clemenza, Wednesday, 25 November 2020 16:29 (yesterday) link

Fgti probably knows more than anyone else here?

He briefly addressed the debacle in the Grimes thread.

pomenitul, Wednesday, 25 November 2020 16:30 (yesterday) link

Oh I see, so it is being discussed on ilx. Makes sense that one would have to do things like "read a thread about Grimes" to know that.

actually-very-convincing (Sund4r), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 16:40 (yesterday) link

Ha yes, I missed it “over there” too obvs. I’ll check it out when I get home.

Kim, Wednesday, 25 November 2020 17:09 (yesterday) link

They're discussing this National Post piece: https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/matt-gurney-a-dollar90000-canadian-arts-subsidy-for-grimes-who-lives-in-california-with-elon-musk/ar-BB1bjHFf?li=AAggNb9

I posted these over there but they're probably more relevant here:

The National Post is very right-wing, approximately a Canadian equivalent of the Wall Street Journal, maybe? His 'concern' for up-and-coming artists is quite likely disingenuous. Some subsidies have been put forth to assist with the issues he refers to, which I note he doesn't praise here, e.g. https://www.cbc.ca/music/new-program-will-pay-canadian-musicians-for-live-stream-concerts-on-facebook-and-instagram-1.5569422

And the Liberal govt, of whom Gurney is not a fan, has roughly doubled funding for the Canada Council, which funds music by lesser-known, less commercially oriented artists: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/arts-federal-budget-canada-council-heritage-1.3501480

actually-very-convincing (Sund4r), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 17:24 (yesterday) link

BREAKING: CTVNews has learned McKinsey & Company was paid $1.6million to help create the COVID-19 command tables, and $3.2 million to help with the school re-opening strategy. https://t.co/F3FQtG8ftW#onpoli

— Colin D'Mello CTVNews (@ColinDMello) November 25, 2020

actually-very-convincing (Sund4r), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 17:37 (yesterday) link


good article about the complaints of Ontario businesses. Did the Independent Business association endorse Doug Ford, I wonder

Wayne Grotski (symsymsym), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 18:12 (yesterday) link

Quebec govt also had McKinsey consult on a plan for reopening the economy and it completely ignored McKinsey's proposals.

Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 25 November 2020 18:20 (yesterday) link

that tweet is even better if you only read the first half of the sentence

Wayne Grotski (symsymsym), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 18:25 (yesterday) link

Never will get used to the beauty of a Canadian child being born. pic.twitter.com/OudHSpAXOB

— Lloyd Legalist (@LloydLegalist) November 23, 2020

the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 19:16 (yesterday) link

Vaccines are even being developed here, apparently, but even if they are successful, they would have to be mass produced elsewhere.

actually-very-convincing (Sund4r), Thursday, 26 November 2020 03:14 (seven hours ago) link

Why does it matter that we don’t produce vaccines here if we can just buy them from places that do?

flopson, Thursday, 26 November 2020 06:46 (three hours ago) link

Because it means we would get them later, at least that's the case being made: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/amp/politics/article-canada-will-get-covid-19-vaccines-after-other-countries-due-to-lack-of/

actually-very-convincing (Sund4r), Thursday, 26 November 2020 07:01 (three hours ago) link

seems like a fake scandal. not every country has a big pharmaceutical industry. and if the astrazeneca vaccine works out, it sounds like that montreal facility will start cranking them out (although the recent news about that one hasn't been great). canada bought a shit load of vaccines, actually more than any other country in per capita terms and we diversified across most treatments:

Canada is leading the world in vaccination readinesshttps://t.co/ai7PiHsKgc pic.twitter.com/A5pl3uV5MP

— Eric Topol (@EricTopol) November 13, 2020

And the most diverse portfolio pic.twitter.com/Js4h0YY13m

— Eric Topol (@EricTopol) November 13, 2020

my friend works in vancouver general hospital, he got an email today saying they were preparing freezer space for some vaccines that would arrive in 2 weeks

flopson, Thursday, 26 November 2020 07:26 (three hours ago) link

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