We Still Have a Government, Right?: Canadian Politics 2020

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I was thinking it was strange that afaict Trudeau has not made any comment at all about the assassination of Soleimani and resulting tensions in the Middle East. (Afaik, this fairly wishy-washy statement from the Foreign Affairs Minister is the only official comment I've seen reported?: https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/canada-calls-for-restraint-in-iran-following-death-of-iranian-general-qassem-soleimani. Singh came out against it.) Then I started wondering if it might actually be a smart move to completely wait things out.

Un sang impur (Sund4r), Monday, 6 January 2020 16:50 (two months ago) link

Keeping in mind that four of the passengers killed were from my university, so I am in no way taking any of this lightly, I'm really nervous about what Trudeau's active response to all of this will be.

Maria Edgelord (cryptosicko), Thursday, 9 January 2020 20:43 (two months ago) link

don't really expect anything drastic from trudeau regarding this? i mean it's not really his mo and not much canada could do unilaterally in any case.

bidenfan69420 (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 9 January 2020 20:44 (two months ago) link

Isn't this something:

It would be a reversion to pre-1952 norms to have an actual British noble as GG.

Un sang impur (Sund4r), Friday, 10 January 2020 00:17 (two months ago) link

Isn't this something:

It would be a reversion to pre-1952 norms to have an actual British noble as GG.
Thats the kind of conservatism I can get behind.

Una Palooka Dronka (hardcore dilettante), Friday, 10 January 2020 01:43 (two months ago) link

As long as we don’t have to pay for their retinue...

pomenitul, Friday, 10 January 2020 16:13 (two months ago) link

I mean, we pay for every GG's housing and retinue but, yeah, it would be a bit obnoxious if the cost were to significantly increase bc we have an actual! Royal! in that position.

Un sang impur (Sund4r), Friday, 10 January 2020 16:35 (two months ago) link

he seems underqualified to be governor general

symsymsym, Friday, 10 January 2020 16:39 (two months ago) link

Sorry, I meant that GG or no, Royals settling in Canada theoretically means we as taxpayers would have to pay for their security. Or so I gather.

pomenitul, Friday, 10 January 2020 16:42 (two months ago) link

good thing BC has that foreign property buyers tax

symsymsym, Friday, 10 January 2020 16:48 (two months ago) link

not that I support this idea in any way, but what qualifications are required to be governor general? All it seems to be is about participating in various ceremonies and dissolving parliament every once in a while. I'm sure he'd be fine.


silverfish, Friday, 10 January 2020 16:55 (two months ago) link

I try to ignore hearing anything about these people, but wouldn't H becoming GG conflict with their desire to not be a Royal or do Royal-style things? Maybe I missed some nuance here

rob, Friday, 10 January 2020 16:58 (two months ago) link

As far as I know, he hasn't expressed any interest in the job of GG. I'm not sure where this idea came from but I think it's just some weird hypothetical.

silverfish, Friday, 10 January 2020 18:30 (two months ago) link

it's dumb and i hate it.

gg should be what it is. some non-partisan canadian prominent member of civil society like, you know, an astronaut or a figure from sports or culture

bidenfan69420 (jim in vancouver), Friday, 10 January 2020 18:35 (two months ago) link

I actually thought Trudeau was pretty good on Flight 752 here (not that informative on the coastal gaslink pipeline): https://globalnews.ca/news/6404191/justin-trudeau-iran-plane-crash-2020/

“If there were no tensions, if there was no escalation recently in the region, those Canadians would be right now home with their families,” said Trudeau.

“This is something that happens when you have conflict and war. Innocents bear the brunt of it and it is a reminder why all of us need to work so hard on de-escalation, moving forward to reduce tensions and find a pathway that doesn’t involve further conflict and killing.”

One must put up barriers to keep oneself intact (Sund4r), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 14:40 (two months ago) link

Didn't hold back from both expressing that he would have preferred a heads-up wrt the assassination and that there are concerns about being able to trust the Iranian regime wrt investigating this.

One must put up barriers to keep oneself intact (Sund4r), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 14:45 (two months ago) link

Short of shrugging off our centuries-old American yoke and dealing with the ensuing fallout, I have no idea what Trudeau could do to make Canada look like less of a pushover on the world stage.

pomenitul, Tuesday, 14 January 2020 14:52 (two months ago) link

Surely the yoke was British before the mid-20th century?

One must put up barriers to keep oneself intact (Sund4r), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 15:07 (two months ago) link

Why not both? But yes, hyperbole got the better of me.

pomenitul, Tuesday, 14 January 2020 15:08 (two months ago) link

Not all heroes wear capes. pic.twitter.com/Z1qD2t0OL2

— Waylon, vicariously (@BannockHammock) January 15, 2020

symsymsym, Thursday, 16 January 2020 05:54 (two months ago) link

I've never been to Vancouver and this is exactly how I picture it.

pomenitul, Thursday, 16 January 2020 09:31 (two months ago) link

that is some excellent microphone use.

bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Thursday, 16 January 2020 13:24 (two months ago) link

i see that guy around at after hours and stuff lol. has gone very viral in my east vancouver bubble

bidenfan69420 (jim in vancouver), Friday, 17 January 2020 00:06 (two months ago) link

don't know that I'd be able to get that many words in, in such a short time

symsymsym, Friday, 17 January 2020 03:44 (two months ago) link


symsymsym, Monday, 20 January 2020 19:01 (two months ago) link

Guess who was picked to build an extension to our disaster of a new LRT/subway in Ottawa: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/snc-lavalin-technical-evaluation-1.5438697?cmp=rss

SNC-Lavalin was awarded the $1.6-billion contract to extend Ottawa's north-south Trillium Line last March even though the team assembled to assess the bids reached a "unanimous consensus that the proposal should not be considered further in the evaluation process," according to documents released by the city Thursday night.

The SNC-Lavalin bid failed to include a signalling or train control system, had no plan for snow removal and, at one point, appeared to believe the trains that run on the Trillium Line were electric, not diesel...

On Oct. 3, the team concluded SNC-Lavalin's proposal "failed all four technical categories."

It sometimes seems like Ford is paying Watson to throw the next election to a hard-right populist.

With considerable charm, you still have made a choice (Sund4r), Friday, 24 January 2020 17:00 (two months ago) link


Not even picking up the phone is unfortunately par for the course, in my experience.

pomenitul, Wednesday, 29 January 2020 14:24 (two months ago) link


With considerable charm, you still have made a choice (Sund4r), Wednesday, 29 January 2020 15:09 (two months ago) link

USMCA ratification legislation tabled, with only the Bloc dissenting on the ways and means bill: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/liberal-government-nafta-implementation-bill-trump-1.5444947

With considerable charm, you still have made a choice (Sund4r), Friday, 31 January 2020 04:27 (two months ago) link

Haven't seen anything in the mainstream press yet but this seems like it might shape up to be an odd story: https://pressprogress.ca/mysterious-group-uses-made-up-name-and-fake-mom-to-attack-teachers-in-canadas-biggest-newspapers/

FFS. 🤦‍♂️

See the Vaughan Working Families twitter account, thanking Lecce for the fight against teachers? Check out the photo they used.

That's dead NYC billionaire Matthew Mellon. Ironically, the Mellons spend millions to fight for more teacher engagement. 🙄#onpoli pic.twitter.com/vXVV3wY8Ba

— Stephen Punwasi (@StephenPunwasi) February 3, 2020

With considerable charm, you still have made a choice (Sund4r), Monday, 3 February 2020 14:47 (one month ago) link

That's pathetically low.

toilet-cleaning brain surgeon (pomenitul), Monday, 3 February 2020 15:54 (one month ago) link

I'm hearing a lot about this on Radio-Canada: https://www.google.com/amp/s/montrealgazette.com/news/quebec/legault-blasts-trudeau-for-federal-funding-granted-to-emsbs-bill-21-challenge/amp

Afaict, the EMSB is receiving funding through the Court Challenges Program, which, afaik, is a program that allows any group to receive funds for a charter rights court challenge. I'm not sure that Trudeau even has much to do with it? He did make a supportive statement at the least, though.

Major strike day for teachers in ON today I gather (albeit not at the schools where I worked).

With considerable charm, you still have made a choice (Sund4r), Thursday, 6 February 2020 19:24 (one month ago) link

Holy shit

Conservative Leader Andrew Scheers says the "protesters" need to check their "privilege" and let the rail system open again. #Wet'suwet'en. pic.twitter.com/dQKZ6IKouU

— APTN National News (@APTNNews) February 14, 2020

jmm, Friday, 14 February 2020 19:36 (one month ago) link


bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Friday, 14 February 2020 19:37 (one month ago) link

inject it into my veins!

frederik b. godt (jim in vancouver), Friday, 14 February 2020 19:42 (one month ago) link

been out at actions most days for the last week so thank you, scheer for the added impetus to keep on going

frederik b. godt (jim in vancouver), Friday, 14 February 2020 19:45 (one month ago) link

two weeks pass...

So positive reports from the first day of negotiations with the hereditary chiefs?

Will admit I've been finding the Coastal Gaslink issue hard to fully get a handle on/take a position on, insofar as I can see why both the band leaders and the hereditary chiefs hold the positions they do. The BC govt's support for it is also interesting in light of their opposition to TransMountain.

Sund4r, Saturday, 29 February 2020 13:19 (one month ago) link

I know many (maybe most) Canadian ILX people aren't big on Trudeau. Are you okay with him in charge of the coronavirus response? Maybe I shouldn't be, but I am. I think he'll at least take counsel from the right people, act on it, and spend whatever needs to be spent.

clemenza, Thursday, 5 March 2020 03:29 (three weeks ago) link

My one big international work trip this year is Montreal, so he better be on his game

El Tomboto, Thursday, 5 March 2020 03:32 (three weeks ago) link

I might just be lowering the bar and comparing him to Trump, but at the very least, I can't see him ever, under any circumstances, looking to Trump for the right response (even if he might pay lip service in public--there has to be a certain amount of coordination between the two countries).

clemenza, Thursday, 5 March 2020 03:44 (three weeks ago) link

I'm no expert but it mostly seems appropriate so far?

Sund4r, Thursday, 5 March 2020 03:48 (three weeks ago) link

seems fine

sean gramophone, Thursday, 5 March 2020 04:08 (three weeks ago) link

Blockades come down in Quebec: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/quebec-kahnawake-blockade-1.5486733

Sund4r, Friday, 6 March 2020 04:29 (three weeks ago) link

I owe them another donation.

bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Friday, 6 March 2020 04:33 (three weeks ago) link

New ON Lib leader: https://toronto.citynews.ca/2020/03/07/ontario-liberals-new-leader/

Sund4r, Monday, 9 March 2020 00:19 (three weeks ago) link

I freely admit to remembering nothing about him from his cabinet days.

Sund4r, Monday, 9 March 2020 00:21 (three weeks ago) link

I said to a friend yesterday that when I try to get my mind around two weeks from now, I can't.


clemenza, Thursday, 12 March 2020 16:38 (two weeks ago) link

Legault just asked everyone who is arriving from abroad to self-isolate for 14 days. This will be me tomorrow.

romanesque architect (pomenitul), Thursday, 12 March 2020 17:11 (two weeks ago) link

This was posted 10 hours ago, but I just heard it now from CNN--I thought my FB wall would have been filled.


clemenza, Friday, 13 March 2020 02:02 (two weeks ago) link

Just going to throw this out there in case it’s helpful to you guys too - M&M meats was a very low stress source for getting some frozen food today. They had what looked like normal stock, and if you do a click and collect order online before you go, they usually have it all ready in a box for pickup, so you can be in and out in just a couple of minutes. Beats lining up outside the big stores.

Manitobiloba (Kim), Thursday, 26 March 2020 18:56 (six days ago) link

Not sure if there's one in Stratford or not, I'll check--thanks.

I rarely give Ford credit for anything, but here goes:


clemenza, Thursday, 26 March 2020 19:14 (six days ago) link

No surprise--and glad he's not pushing back against reality.


clemenza, Thursday, 26 March 2020 21:51 (six days ago) link

Yeah, good to announce it early enough.

We are seeking clarification on the details of the government’s plan.

Yeah, I'm curious about how this will work as well. It's a step in the right direction but idk how you would justify allowing someone to not pay rent at all and requiring someone who is slightly better off to pay their rent in full, or what grounds would be used to decide who gets away without paying. Either a simple freeze on rents/mortgages/property taxes or scaled income supports would seem to be simple and fair.

Sund4r, Friday, 27 March 2020 00:40 (five days ago) link

I'm guessing that station is Tory-leaning but this article also suggests a promising move: https://www.iheartradio.ca/newstalk-1010/news/disgusting-premier-announces-anti-price-gouging-order-1.11192211

This crisis may yet make a socialist out of Ford.

Sund4r, Friday, 27 March 2020 00:42 (five days ago) link

The explosion of American cases the past few days is stunning. It's so hard to compare us with them...where their testing is compared to ours, 1/10th the population, etc. If you look at the two daily bar graphs on worldometer, they're not the same, but they're not all that dissimilar.

clemenza, Friday, 27 March 2020 01:45 (five days ago) link

anyone understand why they're militarizing the canada-US border?

flopson, Friday, 27 March 2020 06:36 (five days ago) link

I was joking with my wife yesterday about building a wall at the ON/NY border after the COVID explosion. The US sending troops to its border might actually be funnier.

Sund4r, Friday, 27 March 2020 12:19 (five days ago) link

I'm unclear on what the situation is. This, from 13h ago, says the troops are already there:

This, from 11h ago, says the admin decided against it: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-us-wont-post-troops-at-canadian-border-ottawa-says-it-strongly/

Sund4r, Friday, 27 March 2020 12:23 (five days ago) link

Most daily cases yet. We've sort of stabilized within a range the past few days (600-700), but if you just stay there, that doesn't seem like flattening the curve.

clemenza, Friday, 27 March 2020 23:50 (five days ago) link

There's talk of quarantining all of Montreal.

coco vide (pomenitul), Friday, 27 March 2020 23:51 (five days ago) link

769 deaths today (so far). Definitely not flattening.

clemenza, Saturday, 28 March 2020 19:47 (four days ago) link

In Canada? It says 59 here: https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/diseases/2019-novel-coronavirus-infection.html?topic=tilelink#a1 . Am I missing something?

Sund4r, Saturday, 28 March 2020 19:55 (four days ago) link

Ugh, sorry--769 new cases, that's what I meant. The cases aren't flattening.

clemenza, Saturday, 28 March 2020 19:57 (four days ago) link

that was scary!

symsymsym, Saturday, 28 March 2020 20:09 (four days ago) link

this story about the Alberta health minister is great stuff: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/alberta-minister-tyler-shandro-behaviour-vital-partners-1.5511288

symsymsym, Saturday, 28 March 2020 20:10 (four days ago) link

I don’t think we can really expect it to flatten significantly until something like 3 weeks after most travellers returned because doubtless a ton didn’t isolate properly or are just going to get sick even in isolation, and will spike the stats. Probably will have a better idea a month from now. I’d guess there was also significant spread during the panic shopping phase, which seems to be easing, but that’s also a slowdown that’s going to take weeks to be seen in the stats.

Manitobiloba (Kim), Saturday, 28 March 2020 21:19 (four days ago) link

Asked a friend about this a couple of days ago--it just disappeared from the news.


clemenza, Sunday, 29 March 2020 01:54 (three days ago) link

Xp. The top doc here bonnie henry is far too sanguine and was talking about hoping new cases would start dropping in 10 to 14 days on wednesday. Really don't understand the rationale behind saying stuff like that when we've had issues with people not taking social distancing advice seriously

COVID and the Gang (jim in vancouver), Sunday, 29 March 2020 07:59 (three days ago) link

Interesting - Montreal police going to start fining people for not observing social distancing directives: https://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle/1689514/coronavirus-montreal-police-policiers-spvm-covid-19-pandemie-bilan

A bit o_O that citizens will be encouraged to contact the police or call 911 if they observe a violation.

Sund4r, Monday, 30 March 2020 00:45 (two days ago) link

Oh, Vancouver is already doing this?

Sund4r, Monday, 30 March 2020 00:47 (two days ago) link

don’t think so

flopson, Monday, 30 March 2020 03:29 (two days ago) link

OK, it's limited to orders issued under the state of emergency, which means only one so far concerning bars and restaurants: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.5508543

Sund4r, Monday, 30 March 2020 03:42 (two days ago) link

Re: Vancouver

Sund4r, Monday, 30 March 2020 03:44 (two days ago) link

Almost 3,500 confirmed cases in Quebec. It’s too early to tell, but it does seem as though Legault wasn’t decisive enough.

coco vide (pomenitul), Monday, 30 March 2020 17:37 (two days ago) link

Henceforth even grocery stores will be closed on Sundays.

coco vide (pomenitul), Monday, 30 March 2020 17:38 (two days ago) link

ON has one more death than QC, though. Maybe QC is testing more?

Sund4r, Monday, 30 March 2020 17:42 (two days ago) link

Oh, no, QC is ahead. The federal page is not up-to-date.

Sund4r, Monday, 30 March 2020 17:44 (two days ago) link

Based on the numbers Legault provided during today's press conference, death rate in Quebec is currently around 0.7% – may it remain so.

coco vide (pomenitul), Monday, 30 March 2020 17:44 (two days ago) link

Given that Legault was acting more decisively than any other leader in the country, I think it's wishful thinking to imagine that he should have known to make even stronger choices.

I blame the snowbirds who ignored instructions, went to weddings, etc.

sean gramophone, Monday, 30 March 2020 17:48 (two days ago) link

That's fair, I'm just confused as to why BC's curve seems so much less aggressive seeing as that's where it started in Canada.

coco vide (pomenitul), Monday, 30 March 2020 17:50 (two days ago) link

Didn't realize that Ontario's cases were so starkly in contrast to the notion that those over 60 are most at risk.

              Number	 Pct.
19 and under 42 2.5
20-64 1,319 77.3
65 and over 343 20.1


clemenza, Monday, 30 March 2020 18:01 (two days ago) link

I don't think those over 60 are more at risk of contracting the virus than any other age group? I think they are more at risk in the sense that the virus is more likely to be fatal for them? I could be wrong.

Sund4r, Monday, 30 March 2020 18:08 (two days ago) link

That's my understanding as well.

coco vide (pomenitul), Monday, 30 March 2020 18:08 (two days ago) link

Could just be a reflection of misrepresentation in testing? I mean, they were only testing those who travelled for a long time and I’d suspect 20-64 forms the majority of that group.

Manitobiloba (Kim), Monday, 30 March 2020 18:09 (two days ago) link

All makes sense. I think I should just hire someone for the next few months to make sense of all the data and graphs I encounter.

clemenza, Monday, 30 March 2020 18:11 (two days ago) link

That's one thing that really aggravates my spouse: the demographic that was most likely to be tested was not the one that was most likely to be killed by the virus. xp

Sund4r, Monday, 30 March 2020 18:15 (two days ago) link

I saw a couple of things today that indicated they're fining in Toronto now for not social-distancing. That's good--frightening, but good.

When I was just out for the evening walk, the same police car, moving slowly passed me twice--it was pretty clearly out there monitoring. The second time I waved. I guess you're okay--for now--if you're alone.

(St. Marys doesn't have its own police--used to, I believe, but now there are one or two Stratford cops who work out of the municipal building on the main street.)

If this every moves to a literal stay-at-home order, I've got a decent-sized backyard and will get by, but that'd be tough.

clemenza, Tuesday, 31 March 2020 00:30 (yesterday) link

Quebec testing most aggressively but also most indiscriminately (i think still the only province with drive thru testing?)

takes a long time for the distancing measures to kick in but im p confident Quebec’s will soon

BC testing is more targeted and had limited community transmission for most of the early stage

optimistic about both provinces’ chances

flopson, Tuesday, 31 March 2020 01:28 (yesterday) link

*the effect of social distancing on spread

flopson, Tuesday, 31 March 2020 01:29 (yesterday) link

We actually had drive-thru testing at one hospital temporarily until they opened a clinic for it at an arena.

Sund4r, Tuesday, 31 March 2020 02:36 (yesterday) link

which arena? Sorry i forget if u live in van or toronto

i heard they’re turning VCC into a hospital

flopson, Tuesday, 31 March 2020 03:32 (yesterday) link

I live in Ottawa, actually; no worries, it's forgettable. Brewer Arena.

Sund4r, Tuesday, 31 March 2020 03:48 (yesterday) link

I blame the snowbirds who ignored instructions, went to weddings, etc.

― sean gramophone, Monday, March 30, 2020 1:48 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

also la bise

flopson, Tuesday, 31 March 2020 06:04 (yesterday) link

^ A problem for Italy as well?

Sund4r, Tuesday, 31 March 2020 14:16 (yesterday) link

I never see that cheek-kissing business in Gatineau. Is it just a Montreal thing? Do I just hang out with too many dudes?

Sund4r, Tuesday, 31 March 2020 14:43 (yesterday) link

not just a montreal thing

flopson, Tuesday, 31 March 2020 19:06 (yesterday) link

It's definitely more common here than in the ROC but from a Latin European perspective it's a rare occurrence.

coco vide (pomenitul), Tuesday, 31 March 2020 19:07 (yesterday) link

I know this hospital pretty well from when my dad was in there 25 years ago.


clemenza, Wednesday, 1 April 2020 03:32 (eight hours ago) link

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