We Still Have a Government, Right?: Canadian Politics 2020

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I was thinking it was strange that afaict Trudeau has not made any comment at all about the assassination of Soleimani and resulting tensions in the Middle East. (Afaik, this fairly wishy-washy statement from the Foreign Affairs Minister is the only official comment I've seen reported?: https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/canada-calls-for-restraint-in-iran-following-death-of-iranian-general-qassem-soleimani. Singh came out against it.) Then I started wondering if it might actually be a smart move to completely wait things out.

Un sang impur (Sund4r), Monday, 6 January 2020 16:50 (six months ago) link

Keeping in mind that four of the passengers killed were from my university, so I am in no way taking any of this lightly, I'm really nervous about what Trudeau's active response to all of this will be.

Maria Edgelord (cryptosicko), Thursday, 9 January 2020 20:43 (six months ago) link

don't really expect anything drastic from trudeau regarding this? i mean it's not really his mo and not much canada could do unilaterally in any case.

bidenfan69420 (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 9 January 2020 20:44 (six months ago) link

Isn't this something:

It would be a reversion to pre-1952 norms to have an actual British noble as GG.

Un sang impur (Sund4r), Friday, 10 January 2020 00:17 (six months ago) link

Isn't this something:

It would be a reversion to pre-1952 norms to have an actual British noble as GG.
Thats the kind of conservatism I can get behind.

Una Palooka Dronka (hardcore dilettante), Friday, 10 January 2020 01:43 (six months ago) link

As long as we don’t have to pay for their retinue...

pomenitul, Friday, 10 January 2020 16:13 (six months ago) link

I mean, we pay for every GG's housing and retinue but, yeah, it would be a bit obnoxious if the cost were to significantly increase bc we have an actual! Royal! in that position.

Un sang impur (Sund4r), Friday, 10 January 2020 16:35 (six months ago) link

he seems underqualified to be governor general

symsymsym, Friday, 10 January 2020 16:39 (six months ago) link

Sorry, I meant that GG or no, Royals settling in Canada theoretically means we as taxpayers would have to pay for their security. Or so I gather.

pomenitul, Friday, 10 January 2020 16:42 (six months ago) link

good thing BC has that foreign property buyers tax

symsymsym, Friday, 10 January 2020 16:48 (six months ago) link

not that I support this idea in any way, but what qualifications are required to be governor general? All it seems to be is about participating in various ceremonies and dissolving parliament every once in a while. I'm sure he'd be fine.


silverfish, Friday, 10 January 2020 16:55 (six months ago) link

I try to ignore hearing anything about these people, but wouldn't H becoming GG conflict with their desire to not be a Royal or do Royal-style things? Maybe I missed some nuance here

rob, Friday, 10 January 2020 16:58 (six months ago) link

As far as I know, he hasn't expressed any interest in the job of GG. I'm not sure where this idea came from but I think it's just some weird hypothetical.

silverfish, Friday, 10 January 2020 18:30 (six months ago) link

it's dumb and i hate it.

gg should be what it is. some non-partisan canadian prominent member of civil society like, you know, an astronaut or a figure from sports or culture

bidenfan69420 (jim in vancouver), Friday, 10 January 2020 18:35 (six months ago) link

I actually thought Trudeau was pretty good on Flight 752 here (not that informative on the coastal gaslink pipeline): https://globalnews.ca/news/6404191/justin-trudeau-iran-plane-crash-2020/

“If there were no tensions, if there was no escalation recently in the region, those Canadians would be right now home with their families,” said Trudeau.

“This is something that happens when you have conflict and war. Innocents bear the brunt of it and it is a reminder why all of us need to work so hard on de-escalation, moving forward to reduce tensions and find a pathway that doesn’t involve further conflict and killing.”

One must put up barriers to keep oneself intact (Sund4r), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 14:40 (five months ago) link

Didn't hold back from both expressing that he would have preferred a heads-up wrt the assassination and that there are concerns about being able to trust the Iranian regime wrt investigating this.

One must put up barriers to keep oneself intact (Sund4r), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 14:45 (five months ago) link

Short of shrugging off our centuries-old American yoke and dealing with the ensuing fallout, I have no idea what Trudeau could do to make Canada look like less of a pushover on the world stage.

pomenitul, Tuesday, 14 January 2020 14:52 (five months ago) link

Surely the yoke was British before the mid-20th century?

One must put up barriers to keep oneself intact (Sund4r), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 15:07 (five months ago) link

Why not both? But yes, hyperbole got the better of me.

pomenitul, Tuesday, 14 January 2020 15:08 (five months ago) link

Not all heroes wear capes. pic.twitter.com/Z1qD2t0OL2

— Waylon, vicariously (@BannockHammock) January 15, 2020

symsymsym, Thursday, 16 January 2020 05:54 (five months ago) link

I've never been to Vancouver and this is exactly how I picture it.

pomenitul, Thursday, 16 January 2020 09:31 (five months ago) link

that is some excellent microphone use.

bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Thursday, 16 January 2020 13:24 (five months ago) link

i see that guy around at after hours and stuff lol. has gone very viral in my east vancouver bubble

bidenfan69420 (jim in vancouver), Friday, 17 January 2020 00:06 (five months ago) link

don't know that I'd be able to get that many words in, in such a short time

symsymsym, Friday, 17 January 2020 03:44 (five months ago) link


symsymsym, Monday, 20 January 2020 19:01 (five months ago) link

Guess who was picked to build an extension to our disaster of a new LRT/subway in Ottawa: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/snc-lavalin-technical-evaluation-1.5438697?cmp=rss

SNC-Lavalin was awarded the $1.6-billion contract to extend Ottawa's north-south Trillium Line last March even though the team assembled to assess the bids reached a "unanimous consensus that the proposal should not be considered further in the evaluation process," according to documents released by the city Thursday night.

The SNC-Lavalin bid failed to include a signalling or train control system, had no plan for snow removal and, at one point, appeared to believe the trains that run on the Trillium Line were electric, not diesel...

On Oct. 3, the team concluded SNC-Lavalin's proposal "failed all four technical categories."

It sometimes seems like Ford is paying Watson to throw the next election to a hard-right populist.

With considerable charm, you still have made a choice (Sund4r), Friday, 24 January 2020 17:00 (five months ago) link


Not even picking up the phone is unfortunately par for the course, in my experience.

pomenitul, Wednesday, 29 January 2020 14:24 (five months ago) link


With considerable charm, you still have made a choice (Sund4r), Wednesday, 29 January 2020 15:09 (five months ago) link

USMCA ratification legislation tabled, with only the Bloc dissenting on the ways and means bill: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/liberal-government-nafta-implementation-bill-trump-1.5444947

With considerable charm, you still have made a choice (Sund4r), Friday, 31 January 2020 04:27 (five months ago) link

Haven't seen anything in the mainstream press yet but this seems like it might shape up to be an odd story: https://pressprogress.ca/mysterious-group-uses-made-up-name-and-fake-mom-to-attack-teachers-in-canadas-biggest-newspapers/

FFS. 🤦‍♂️

See the Vaughan Working Families twitter account, thanking Lecce for the fight against teachers? Check out the photo they used.

That's dead NYC billionaire Matthew Mellon. Ironically, the Mellons spend millions to fight for more teacher engagement. 🙄#onpoli pic.twitter.com/vXVV3wY8Ba

— Stephen Punwasi (@StephenPunwasi) February 3, 2020

With considerable charm, you still have made a choice (Sund4r), Monday, 3 February 2020 14:47 (five months ago) link

That's pathetically low.

toilet-cleaning brain surgeon (pomenitul), Monday, 3 February 2020 15:54 (five months ago) link

I'm hearing a lot about this on Radio-Canada: https://www.google.com/amp/s/montrealgazette.com/news/quebec/legault-blasts-trudeau-for-federal-funding-granted-to-emsbs-bill-21-challenge/amp

Afaict, the EMSB is receiving funding through the Court Challenges Program, which, afaik, is a program that allows any group to receive funds for a charter rights court challenge. I'm not sure that Trudeau even has much to do with it? He did make a supportive statement at the least, though.

Major strike day for teachers in ON today I gather (albeit not at the schools where I worked).

With considerable charm, you still have made a choice (Sund4r), Thursday, 6 February 2020 19:24 (five months ago) link

Holy shit

Conservative Leader Andrew Scheers says the "protesters" need to check their "privilege" and let the rail system open again. #Wet'suwet'en. pic.twitter.com/dQKZ6IKouU

— APTN National News (@APTNNews) February 14, 2020

jmm, Friday, 14 February 2020 19:36 (four months ago) link


bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Friday, 14 February 2020 19:37 (four months ago) link

inject it into my veins!

frederik b. godt (jim in vancouver), Friday, 14 February 2020 19:42 (four months ago) link

been out at actions most days for the last week so thank you, scheer for the added impetus to keep on going

frederik b. godt (jim in vancouver), Friday, 14 February 2020 19:45 (four months ago) link

two weeks pass...

So positive reports from the first day of negotiations with the hereditary chiefs?

Will admit I've been finding the Coastal Gaslink issue hard to fully get a handle on/take a position on, insofar as I can see why both the band leaders and the hereditary chiefs hold the positions they do. The BC govt's support for it is also interesting in light of their opposition to TransMountain.

Sund4r, Saturday, 29 February 2020 13:19 (four months ago) link

I know many (maybe most) Canadian ILX people aren't big on Trudeau. Are you okay with him in charge of the coronavirus response? Maybe I shouldn't be, but I am. I think he'll at least take counsel from the right people, act on it, and spend whatever needs to be spent.

clemenza, Thursday, 5 March 2020 03:29 (four months ago) link

My one big international work trip this year is Montreal, so he better be on his game

El Tomboto, Thursday, 5 March 2020 03:32 (four months ago) link

I might just be lowering the bar and comparing him to Trump, but at the very least, I can't see him ever, under any circumstances, looking to Trump for the right response (even if he might pay lip service in public--there has to be a certain amount of coordination between the two countries).

clemenza, Thursday, 5 March 2020 03:44 (four months ago) link

I'm no expert but it mostly seems appropriate so far?

Sund4r, Thursday, 5 March 2020 03:48 (four months ago) link

seems fine

sean gramophone, Thursday, 5 March 2020 04:08 (four months ago) link

Blockades come down in Quebec: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/quebec-kahnawake-blockade-1.5486733

Sund4r, Friday, 6 March 2020 04:29 (four months ago) link

I owe them another donation.

bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Friday, 6 March 2020 04:33 (four months ago) link

New ON Lib leader: https://toronto.citynews.ca/2020/03/07/ontario-liberals-new-leader/

Sund4r, Monday, 9 March 2020 00:19 (four months ago) link

I freely admit to remembering nothing about him from his cabinet days.

Sund4r, Monday, 9 March 2020 00:21 (four months ago) link

I said to a friend yesterday that when I try to get my mind around two weeks from now, I can't.


clemenza, Thursday, 12 March 2020 16:38 (four months ago) link

Legault just asked everyone who is arriving from abroad to self-isolate for 14 days. This will be me tomorrow.

romanesque architect (pomenitul), Thursday, 12 March 2020 17:11 (four months ago) link

This was posted 10 hours ago, but I just heard it now from CNN--I thought my FB wall would have been filled.


clemenza, Friday, 13 March 2020 02:02 (four months ago) link

Hm, that's an odd wrinkle.

Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Saturday, 20 June 2020 04:35 (three weeks ago) link

That's an understatement.

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Saturday, 20 June 2020 08:37 (three weeks ago) link

If I'm understanding, the Bloc are showing that they are not at all racist by refusing to sit in the House when Singh speaks until he apologizes for calling them racist?

Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Saturday, 20 June 2020 22:44 (three weeks ago) link

*calling one of their members

Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Saturday, 20 June 2020 22:45 (three weeks ago) link


Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Monday, 22 June 2020 03:10 (three weeks ago) link

I was out in the car today, so I heard some of Ford's daily briefing on the radio, first one in a while.

I don't know why any politician would ever choose to go to war with the press. When Ford was defending his brother and attacking the press, he got, surprise, nothing but bad press. Today, he called everyone who had a question by their first name, was very cordial, was treated cordially in return, and he's probably getting the best press he's ever had right now. I know the counter-argument would be that attacking the press helped get Trump elected. Maybe--but he would never have even been in that position to begin with if he hadn't spent 35 years nuzzling up to the press (and vice versa) to begin with. It just seems like such a pointless thing to do.

clemenza, Tuesday, 23 June 2020 01:22 (two weeks ago) link

I've said way too much nice stuff about Ford during the pandemic, so I have to even that up a bit.


Putting aside how worthwhile these changes may or may not be, it seems like a terrible time for any big curriculum revisions. Teachers are going to be overwhelmed enough trying to navigate their way through whatever's waiting for them in September (which is guaranteed to be something other than a normal return to school).

clemenza, Tuesday, 23 June 2020 19:40 (two weeks ago) link

Personal finance in Gr 1? Did they decide this based on Facebook memes?

Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Saturday, 27 June 2020 14:44 (two weeks ago) link

Grade 2, portfolio diversification; Grade 3, hiding money in offshore accounts; Grade 4, derivatives...

clemenza, Saturday, 27 June 2020 15:18 (two weeks ago) link

(Broadly speaking, I think more emphasis on learning about money, and learning about it at an earlier age, is a good idea. This just isn't the time to do it--wait a year.)

clemenza, Saturday, 27 June 2020 15:20 (two weeks ago) link

Tbf, I don't have kids or teach elementary school classes. What kinds of things do you think kids would benefit from learning at that age?

Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Saturday, 27 June 2020 16:41 (two weeks ago) link

Ford also nixed a long planned police reform/accountability bill. Fuck him.

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Saturday, 27 June 2020 16:47 (two weeks ago) link

I just think they need to get a better and earlier sense of money, and maybe, by the time they hit grade 5 or 6, the importance of managing it. I know I was clueless until I hit about 30, and have been making up for lost time ever since.

clemenza, Saturday, 27 June 2020 17:19 (two weeks ago) link

As to grade 1, that's tougher. I never had a class of my own below grade 3, so I'm actually not sure how much awareness of the topic they have at that age.

clemenza, Saturday, 27 June 2020 17:20 (two weeks ago) link

Yeah, I’m pretty concerned about how much is being dumped on the schools and parents to figure out come September. The “here’s three possible scenarios - just be prepared for all of them” approach isn’t really that helpful.

Kim, Saturday, 27 June 2020 17:52 (two weeks ago) link

A teacher friend also pointed out to us yesterday, who do they think is even working on this stuff over the summer because, education staff are off?

Kim, Monday, 29 June 2020 18:59 (two weeks ago) link

Btw, clemenza, I guess it was the wording of "personal finance" that threw me. If they just mean e.g. knowing how to count change at the primary school level, which they probably do, that sounds reasonable, although I'm surprised that isn't being covered already.

Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Monday, 29 June 2020 19:01 (two weeks ago) link

Making change is already covered, starting in grade 4, I think. I'd always try to teach counting-up, which maybe half got; the other half were better with standard subtraction. My interpretation of "personal finance," if that's the term they're using, would be more about money management, investing, budgeting, etc. And I think a grade 5 or 6 kid could be taught that, at least in broad outline. "Here's what retirement looks like if you don't plan, and here's what it looks like if you do"--and then go from there. But I don't know what they have in mind.

Big jump in COVID cases today, first one in a while.

clemenza, Tuesday, 30 June 2020 03:46 (one week ago) link

Border closure extended: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/travel-ban-extended-july-1.5632625

Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Tuesday, 30 June 2020 16:35 (one week ago) link

Let's hope it stays that way until they get their shit together.

pomenitul, Tuesday, 30 June 2020 19:58 (one week ago) link

there's been reports of Americans vacationing here in bc, getting through the borders by claiming they're traveling to Alaska.

burn them!

Rik Waller-Bridge (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 30 June 2020 20:00 (one week ago) link

although tbh there def are still tourists around just in general here, which boggles the mind

Rik Waller-Bridge (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 30 June 2020 20:01 (one week ago) link

The airbnbs on my street in Montreal have seen some traffic the past couple weeks. Honestly confused as to what in the hell there is to do. OTOH I am desperate for a some time away from my apt/the city so it's not entirely mysterious to me

rob, Tuesday, 30 June 2020 20:08 (one week ago) link

I understand why it would be nice to be here - very little covid, bars and restaurants open, summer in bc is v nice etc. - but how are they getting here?

Rik Waller-Bridge (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 30 June 2020 20:12 (one week ago) link

Cases were back down to where they've leveled off recently. Must have been some reporting blip yesterday.

clemenza, Wednesday, 1 July 2020 02:09 (one week ago) link

Must have missed that firm support Bolton promised

Adrienne Arsenault really held his feet to the fire on this. Worth watching: https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/1758622275621

Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Wednesday, 1 July 2020 16:37 (one week ago) link

I assume this is because of delayed Canada Day reporting, but according to Worldometer, only 67 cases reported nationally yesterday.

clemenza, Thursday, 2 July 2020 16:04 (one week ago) link

At a time when the problems with the long term care home system are evident, the Ford government is rushing through a bill to restructure the whole home and LTC care system and privatize home care, which is what keeps a lot of people out of the long term care homes. (The currently existing home care system, which is mostly very good, is one of the NDP government's undersung accomplishments from the 90s.) Might be voted on tomorrow:


Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Monday, 6 July 2020 03:22 (one week ago) link

Uh, what?


pomenitul, Monday, 6 July 2020 13:45 (one week ago) link

I’m happy to announce the appointment of @BobRae48 as our next Ambassador to the @UN. He has dedicated his life to serving Canadians and our country, and I know he’ll work hard to advance our interests around the world in this new role. https://t.co/rK2helVWe8

— Justin Trudeau (@JustinTrudeau) July 6, 2020

Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Monday, 6 July 2020 15:51 (one week ago) link

I guess the Chinese 'travel advisory' is related to this??: https://globalnews.ca/news/6986293/meng-wanzhou-china-warning-canada/

Among the reasons it is wtf is that, as noted above, the border is already closed to non-citizens/residents until at least the end of the month.

Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Monday, 6 July 2020 15:54 (one week ago) link

Some seemingly clear stats and graphs for Ontario, January to now. The bit that shows decreasing severity in recent cases looks pretty reassuring. https://files.ontario.ca/moh-covid-19-report-en-2020-07-07.pdf

Kim, Wednesday, 8 July 2020 03:27 (five days ago) link

Very good.

jmm, Friday, 10 July 2020 00:04 (three days ago) link

this is p much the de facto situation here at the moment

Temporary Erogenous Zone (jim in vancouver), Friday, 10 July 2020 00:05 (three days ago) link

would be good for the country writ-large of course

Temporary Erogenous Zone (jim in vancouver), Friday, 10 July 2020 00:06 (three days ago) link


Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Friday, 10 July 2020 04:18 (three days ago) link

I strongly suspect this is a ploy to head off anti-police (or at least pro-budget-slashing) sentiment, at least based on the timing, but yes, it's an excellent development.

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Friday, 10 July 2020 04:36 (three days ago) link

Dude had been growing on me too.

Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Sunday, 12 July 2020 01:53 (yesterday) link

As scandals go, this is about as low-wattage as they come.

A White, White Gay (cryptosicko), Sunday, 12 July 2020 01:55 (yesterday) link

Just like our other scandals.

pomenitul, Sunday, 12 July 2020 01:56 (yesterday) link

Hm, what makes this fundamentally different from something like the sponsorship scandal, aside from the fact that the deal got cancelled when they got called out?

Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Sunday, 12 July 2020 01:58 (yesterday) link

“ For whatever reason, the prime minister and his office seem to have a recurring problem of failing to check themselves. As a result, they have now repeatedly wrecked themselves.”


Kim, Sunday, 12 July 2020 02:04 (yesterday) link

Hot take: the fact that nobody seems to care. I mean, we probably won't be talking it about this a week from now. All in all, people like Trudeau a lot more than they did Chrétien and the state of international politics is such that we've kind of lowered our standards, as evinced by previous non-scandals involving our current administration.


pomenitul, Sunday, 12 July 2020 02:05 (yesterday) link

for some reason nobody wants to think trudeau is just doing secret deals to enrich or benefit his family and donors. the rhetoric is that he made a mistake, we don't impute ill intention to him. I'm agnostic about his intentions myself!

Wayne Grotski (symsymsym), Sunday, 12 July 2020 02:18 (yesterday) link

Huh. The postmodern scandal.

NB, though, that it took years for Adscam to become the massive scandal that it did (Auditor General started investigating in 2000. It really blew up about four years later.) That might actually be the key difference - that this was dropped right away and not allowed to go on for years.xp

Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Sunday, 12 July 2020 02:18 (yesterday) link

but yeah it seems like he'll be teflon as long as he has that guy downstairs to compare himself to

Wayne Grotski (symsymsym), Sunday, 12 July 2020 02:18 (yesterday) link

I don't really see what the positive spin on his intentions would be tbh. The program itself sounds a little ... curious - small 'grants' (below minimum wage, I'm surmising?) for students to do 'volunteer' work?

Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Sunday, 12 July 2020 02:21 (yesterday) link

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