Defenestrate Them All: Canadian Politics 2021

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This definitely clears things up for Ontario:

NEW: The Premier’s Office has sent out an FAQ about yesterday’s stay-at-home announcement in Ontario. Answers below 👇🏼#onpoli pic.twitter.com/6LiV2UH8EV

— Laura Stone (@l_stone) January 13, 2021

Sharp! Distance! (Sund4r), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 16:50 (five months ago) link

Basically, they are not defining anything but I think this still holds true from yesterday?: "The province will provide authority to all provincial offences officers, including the Ontario Provincial Police, local police forces, bylaw officers, and provincial workplace inspectors to issue tickets to individuals who do not comply with the stay-at-home-order..." It just seems like delegating all judgment to the police? How did they manage to make this even less coherent?

Sharp! Distance! (Sund4r), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 16:51 (five months ago) link

o m g. Forget that generous feeling I mentioned yesterday. That is really bad.

Kim, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 16:56 (five months ago) link

You can envision, when this ends, a court system backed up for years litigating the meaning of "unique circumstances" and "may legitimately be necessary."

clemenza, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 16:59 (five months ago) link

seems very easy for police to apply these guidelines in unequal ways

Wayne Grotski (symsymsym), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 19:42 (five months ago) link

“Police have also been authorized to shoot offenders,” Ford mumbled wistfully.

Guys don’t @ me because I tazed my own balls alright? (hardcore dilettante), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 19:53 (five months ago) link

to follow up on doofusy tweets by leaders of the CPC:

I don’t think Canada needs another slogan, it needs a plan. Do you agree?

We need to build back stronger, and the only way that can happen is with a united country. 🇨🇦 pic.twitter.com/rYx2zqIUNy

— Erin O'Toole (@erinotoole) October 1, 2020

Wayne Grotski (symsymsym), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 20:39 (five months ago) link

I remember people sharing this piece in 2015 and thinking it was dubious since a Tory advertising strategy v clearly was then and is now to portray Trudeau as a "vapid...airhead", as per that ad (and, er, slogan): https://www.feministcurrent.com/2015/10/23/dont-worry-justin-trudeau-will-never-be-hurt-by-sexist-objectification/ . That said, the fact that this strategy has yet to find success might prove her right idk.

Sharp! Distance! (Sund4r), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 20:46 (five months ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJjdsm4B7bc

sean gramophone, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 20:47 (five months ago) link

really doubt those "nice hair" ads shifted a single vote

Wayne Grotski (symsymsym), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 21:10 (five months ago) link

That O’Toole tweet is pretty interesting in light of all the recent fringey freak outs over politicians using the almost same phrase “build back better” as some coded globalist conspiracy about “the great reset”.

Kim, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 22:36 (five months ago) link

build back better = evil, globalist, pedo ring

build back stronger = good common sense, a plan not a slogan, Canada first

Wayne Grotski (symsymsym), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 22:54 (five months ago) link

I don't think Canada needs another slogan! It needs three new slogans! Take that, Canada!

Wayne Grotski (symsymsym), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 22:55 (five months ago) link

“Canada needs a handyman” you expect the guy in the photo to be Mike Holmes.

Kim, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 23:39 (five months ago) link

Yeah, at the risk of giving the Tories a better campaign idea, what's funny is that he could have made it "Canada needs a captain" or "Canada needs a pilot" and made a reference to his actually respectable air force career. Instead he concluded that pretending to be Bob the Builder is the ticket to victory.

Sharp! Distance! (Sund4r), Thursday, 14 January 2021 00:47 (five months ago) link

The right O'Toole for the job!

doug watson, Thursday, 14 January 2021 01:16 (five months ago) link

OK, here's the actual stay-at-home order. The announcements had been written badly but it seems like getting curbside pickup is OK: https://files.ontario.ca/solgen-stay-at-home-order-2021-01-13.pdf . I'm not sure what the difference from the previous lockdown is.

Sharp! Distance! (Sund4r), Thursday, 14 January 2021 01:47 (five months ago) link

Erin "o'Toole Man" Taylor

Wayne Grotski (symsymsym), Thursday, 14 January 2021 02:43 (five months ago) link

Hm, if this is accurate, maybe school closures are more justified than I thought tbh (URL does not describe comments - a new U de M study finds that elementary schools are a driving factor behind the spread of COVID in Montreal): https://montrealgazette.com/news/local-news/emsb-unveils-air-purifiers-maintaining-they-will-slow-spread-of-covid-19

Inside there's a box and that box has another box within (Sund4r), Thursday, 14 January 2021 04:16 (five months ago) link

Yeah, it's worth bringing that article up again since the 2020 thread is now closed.

I don't know about Ontario or even the rest of Quebec, to be honest, but closing schools anew would certainly be justified in Montreal right now. I suspect we'll hit a new hospitalization peak in the coming days. As soon as it subsides, Legault will claim victory and argue that keeping schools open was the right call. A couple of weeks later, we'll be back to square one and he'll be forced to implement even stricter lockdown measures. It seems to me that his strategy is reactive rather than proactive, partly because the general population prefers it that way (it makes the decision-making process more 'legible', as it were, and seeing is believing). Regardless, I do hope to be proven wrong.

pomenitul, Thursday, 14 January 2021 04:45 (five months ago) link

Oh ha, did you already share it? I just saw it tonight, my bad.

Inside there's a box and that box has another box within (Sund4r), Thursday, 14 January 2021 05:09 (five months ago) link

Warning: National Post, but I can't find another English source for this atm.

https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/head-of-radio-canada-spent-month-of-december-in-his-miami-condo-despite-public-health-warnings

pomenitul, Thursday, 14 January 2021 15:38 (five months ago) link

Does it make a difference that he's not an elected official?

jmm, Thursday, 14 January 2021 15:53 (five months ago) link

I think it does, it's just that CBC/Radio-Canada have been campaigning against non-essential travel for months now.

pomenitul, Thursday, 14 January 2021 15:56 (five months ago) link

There's a rep for the small-business association who appears on a London radio station regularly. She was just on and quite upset. I've heard her many times and trust the accuracy of what she says. 1) With the 8:00 curbside pickup rule in effect, Amazon is allowed to deliver after 8:00 p.m. (not sure if they actually do that) while small-business owners are not allowed to personally run over a delivery after their stores close; 2) Walmart and Costco are still allowed to stay open after 8:00 p.m. as long as they meet the 50% food threshold (maybe I have the number wrong--that seems high).

clemenza, Thursday, 14 January 2021 18:33 (five months ago) link

Setting an 8:00 pm limit does seem a bit like a very soft curfew, and I don't know that I see the point of those, but it also seems relatively generous for most small businesses, I think?

Inside there's a box and that box has another box within (Sund4r), Thursday, 14 January 2021 18:48 (five months ago) link

I think it's more the two sets of rules than the curfew itself. As she put it, the government--and she urged the host to get someone on to explain their reasoning--has opted for one side.

clemenza, Thursday, 14 January 2021 18:50 (five months ago) link

It might be possible that the 8pm curbside rule is meant to target some specific kind of nightlife or gatherings using it as a loophole, maybe culturally linked, so they don’t want to say it explicitly. It doesn’t seem to make a lot of sense otherwise.

Kim, Thursday, 14 January 2021 20:20 (five months ago) link

That's how I understand it as well. Maybe it's also a way to minimize the devil-may-care side effects of late night alcohol/drug use.

pomenitul, Thursday, 14 January 2021 20:23 (five months ago) link

This is such a fucking dumb gamble, I'm honestly livid right now:

https://globalnews.ca/news/7576475/quebec-coronavirus-covid-19-vaccination-second-doses-90-days/

The WHO is against it and Pfizer-BioNTech threatened to withdraw their vaccine supply from Quebec if we don't follow the two-dose schedule yet they're going with their moronic gut feeling anyway.

pomenitul, Thursday, 14 January 2021 22:12 (five months ago) link

I can't take this government anymore.

I couldn't before the pandemic. Now it's becoming irrational.

Van Horn Street, Thursday, 14 January 2021 22:38 (five months ago) link

I'm the same, and there's nothing irrational about it! I cut Legault a fuckton of slack last year but his last few calls are indefensible given how poorly things are going. We're about to overtake France's no. of deaths/1M pop, ffs!

Fwiw my dad works in the healthcare sector and I think this dicey 90-day lag between doses just broke him.

pomenitul, Thursday, 14 January 2021 22:44 (five months ago) link

Why would they do this? Just bc they can give out first doses to more people this way?

Inside there's a box and that box has another box within (Sund4r), Thursday, 14 January 2021 22:44 (five months ago) link

Yes, except it's not much of a mid- to long-term plan for the province. The feds are saying we shouldn't wait more than 42 days before administering the second dose. Legault wants more than double that, with precious little to back him up.

pomenitul, Thursday, 14 January 2021 22:47 (five months ago) link

I do not share any of the outrage about this! Loads of epidemiologists and virologists agree that "first doses first" might be the best plan, and Biden (and the UK) have both advanced similar proposals. Basically, there is disagreement in the scientific community. Accordingly, I am comfortable with elected government making informed choices. I think I agree with them that generalized immunity for more people is more important than total immunity for a smaller population at this point.

Pfizer-BioNTech did not "threaten" the government - Legault was asked what he would do if they made a threat like that and he said of course the government would comply.

sean gramophone, Friday, 15 January 2021 01:10 (five months ago) link

My wording was indeed off. This is what I was referring to:

https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/pfizer-could-withdraw-vaccine-supply-from-quebec-if-two-dose-schedule-not-followed-legault-1.5262256

Anyhow, suit yourself. It goes without saying that I am not a medical expert myself, but I will continue to trust my dad, an infectious diseases specialist, in this matter. Perhaps the government's little experiment will pay off, perhaps it will backfire. Time will tell. Either way, we are essentially being used as guinea pigs right now, and it's not something I am at all comfortable with seeing as official recommendations are being flouted.

pomenitul, Friday, 15 January 2021 01:27 (five months ago) link

Canada's National Advisory Committee believes that the second dose can be delayed for up to six weeks:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/vaccine-panel-ok-to-delay-second-dose-1.5871677

Between six weeks and 90 days, the difference is rather stark.

pomenitul, Friday, 15 January 2021 01:31 (five months ago) link

(The UK's doing 12 weeks too.)

sean gramophone, Friday, 15 January 2021 01:33 (five months ago) link

Just some more perspective on the amount of debate:

Will delay of the 2nd dose of vaccines promote virus resistance? https://t.co/aaTvv6ATIs @meredithwadman w/ @florian_krammer @PaulBieniasz @jbloom_lab @sarahcobey
Debated here, mostly likely no.
There's also a case for stronger immune response by delay, not discussed/studied pic.twitter.com/PEcXiChlIY

— Eric Topol (@EricTopol) January 14, 2021

sean gramophone, Friday, 15 January 2021 01:34 (five months ago) link

Good for them? Their handling of the pandemic has been absolutely atrocious so far.

xp

pomenitul, Friday, 15 January 2021 01:34 (five months ago) link

Which vaccine are we talking about by the way?

Because this article (from yesterday) suggests that 'spacing out doses of the AstraZeneca/Oxford vaccine may be more effective at protecting people':

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/13/second-shots-of-covid-vaccine-could-be-delayed-further-in-england

That may well be true, but to my knowledge we haven't even approved that one yet.

pomenitul, Friday, 15 January 2021 01:40 (five months ago) link

See also (from last week):

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/05/no-data-to-support-uk-delay-of-vaccines-second-dose-says-who

pomenitul, Friday, 15 January 2021 01:41 (five months ago) link

The plot thickens...

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/pfizer-temporarily-reducing-vaccine-deliveries-1.5874645

pomenitul, Friday, 15 January 2021 15:53 (five months ago) link

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/01/15/canada-ontario-doug-ford-lockdown-covid-19-toronto/

Ontario mess made the WaPo.

The stuff with Baber up in York is really bad news for Ford I think. That letter is reinforcing a lot of anti lockdown arguments that sound reasonable to a lot of people, notably from the c2c article that’s gone viral amongst conservatives lately. The false premises in it require too sophisticated a takedown to easily counter. Baber is being called a hero and a whistleblower. ffs. Ford’s original support is very fractured and a large portion has observably moved farther right, and while that could be an exploitable political weakness, I still find it ominous and upsetting.

Kim, Saturday, 16 January 2021 15:44 (five months ago) link

I ran into a neighbour while out walking yesterday and asked him about my coffee question above. Which I know seems utterly insignificant, but, as I explained to him, it has next to nothing to do with coffee--obviously, I can make that at home. It’s much more about simply going in there; if you’re on your own during one of these lockdowns, many days that’ll be the only interaction you have with anyone that doesn’t take place on a computer screen. To that end, I thought his idea for what I should say if I ever got questioned was pretty sensible, seeing as “essential” has been deemed to vary from person to person: call it a mental-health issue.

Turns out be nothing anyway. The only two cops here come in from Stratford; they work out of the municipal building that’s a few dozen steps around the corner from Tim’s. There’s usually a car parked outside, so last night I just asked the guy. I don’t think he answered immediately--there was a slight pause, like he wasn’t sure either--but he said it was fine. Which means, for me, there’s no change at all that I can think of between now and what was already in place as of Boxing Day. And I don’t see that there will be, for me, until and unless schools reopen.

clemenza, Saturday, 16 January 2021 16:44 (five months ago) link

What do we make of Blanchet's comments on Alghabra? "His ties to the political Islamic movement raise questions" is vague and almost seems like innuendo, although I wonder if there's some context I'm missing.

https://www.journaldemontreal.com/2021/01/15/nouveau-ministre-trudeau-qualifie-les-propos-du-chef-bloquiste-dinacceptables-1
https://globalnews.ca/news/7574235/bloc-quebecois-omar-alghabra-criticism/

On Twitter, he mostly also seems to be avoiding saying anything direct but shares articles like this, which, despite its, uh, questionable take, does at least specify what he might be taking issue with (the group's, acc to the author, anti-Israel and pro-Palestinian leanings and ostensible support of Hamas): https://www.ledevoir.com/opinion/chroniques/593416/bonne-semaine-pour-l-islam

Inside there's a box and that box has another box within (Sund4r), Sunday, 17 January 2021 03:35 (five months ago) link

I wonder if there's some context I'm missing.

The context is dogwhistling. Blanchet is said to have taken his cue from 'Rebel News', as it's now called:

https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/politique/2021-01-15/propos-sur-le-nouveau-ministre-omar-alghabra/blanchet-seme-l-intolerance-dit-trudeau.php

pomenitul, Sunday, 17 January 2021 03:51 (five months ago) link

Really, though, it's just a racist procès d'intention and Lisée is now trying to put some flesh on it.

pomenitul, Sunday, 17 January 2021 03:56 (five months ago) link

Huh, "Biden indicates plans to cancel Keystone XL pipeline permit on 1st day in office, sources confirm": https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/biden-keystone-xl-1.5877038

Inside there's a box and that box has another box within (Sund4r), Monday, 18 January 2021 18:23 (five months ago) link

My wife's very happy about that.

Halfway there but for you, Monday, 18 January 2021 18:43 (five months ago) link

Is the argument that Kenney was less bad bc he was decisively committed to not giving a shit?

Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Friday, 4 June 2021 15:08 (three weeks ago) link

(Paywalled so I'm actually wondering)

Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Friday, 4 June 2021 15:19 (three weeks ago) link

honestly, it basically is

intern at pelican brief consulting (Simon H.), Friday, 4 June 2021 15:31 (three weeks ago) link

first dose gives over 80% immunity after 2 weeks

Only 33.5% against the Delta variant, unfortunately.

pomenitul, Friday, 4 June 2021 17:23 (three weeks ago) link

ontario banning the outdoors in 2021 is horrifying for just having no possible rationale

Wayne Grotski (symsymsym), Friday, 4 June 2021 17:57 (three weeks ago) link

is this new news? I'm not seeing anything

intern at pelican brief consulting (Simon H.), Friday, 4 June 2021 18:29 (three weeks ago) link

no, just responding to the globe piece you posted. kenney probably still wins but the article made some good points

Wayne Grotski (symsymsym), Friday, 4 June 2021 18:38 (three weeks ago) link

oh right! durr

intern at pelican brief consulting (Simon H.), Friday, 4 June 2021 18:39 (three weeks ago) link

yeah well in your defence no announcement would be unbelievable at this point

Wayne Grotski (symsymsym), Friday, 4 June 2021 18:41 (three weeks ago) link

Ford on allowing outdoor graduations
"Students have worked incredibly hard throughout the pandemic, with important milestones like graduation ceremonies impacted," the province stated in a release on Wednesday. "Ontario students deserve this positive conclusion to their academic journey, safely."

Well sure, sounds great except no one gave anyone planning these things a heads up and they’ve all already set up for virtual grads? With all the logistics, it’s not like at the 11th hour they can just throw some chairs on the lawn instead. But he’s out there making it sound just that simple and telling the public that this is what kids deserve. The people he’s put in such a spot must be absolutely livid.

Kim, Saturday, 5 June 2021 04:12 (two weeks ago) link

For sure. The grade 8 teachers always put in a month's planning on grad, and we weren't even a particularly large school--three or four grade 8 classes, usually/

clemenza, Saturday, 5 June 2021 11:14 (two weeks ago) link

Only 33.5% against the Delta variant, unfortunately.

― pomenitul, Friday, June 4, 2021 1:23 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

i doubt it. all the early numbers about the past new variants have been revised down after better data comes around. also, the same report which said one dose is 33.5% effective against delta said it was only 50% effective against alpha ("uk variant") which i don't think can possible be true given how effective vaccination using first doses first has been in the uk

flopson, Saturday, 5 June 2021 20:29 (two weeks ago) link

It does beggar belief somewhat, yes. I certainly hope you're right.

pomenitul, Saturday, 5 June 2021 20:32 (two weeks ago) link

Statue of Egerton Ryerson defaced and toppled in front of Ryerson U, school of journalism to rename publications to remove his name, bust in ON legislature moved on Horwath's request

Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Monday, 7 June 2021 02:41 (two weeks ago) link

I know the backlash from conservatives, donors, and alumni (possibly lawyers too) would be fierce, but the former uni marketing wretch in me thinks there must be a faction at Ryerson who have realized that changing their name to X University would be a publicity & merchandising bonanza

rob, Monday, 7 June 2021 12:22 (two weeks ago) link

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/london/muslim-family-hit-run-london-reactions-1.6056693

This happened one street away from where I live (though we're out of town at the moment). I have no words.

edited for dog profanity (cryptosicko), Tuesday, 8 June 2021 17:26 (two weeks ago) link

It's really horrifying. I'm still a little in shock.

Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Tuesday, 8 June 2021 18:01 (two weeks ago) link

it's so sad

symsymsym, Tuesday, 8 June 2021 18:33 (two weeks ago) link

I really believe our media and institutions let the 2017 mosque attack be minimized and get swallowed up by smug collective Canadian amnesia

symsymsym, Tuesday, 8 June 2021 18:36 (two weeks ago) link

Fucking depressing.

pomenitul, Tuesday, 8 June 2021 18:47 (two weeks ago) link

hmmm

"The next time you see a woman in a hijab or a family out for a walk, give them a smile. Show them that they are respected and loveda nd that they have friends and allies across this country who will stand with them and fight for them" - PMJT #cdnpoli https://t.co/kX7SGXt0dh pic.twitter.com/lhiMbv9Unl

— Mackenzie Gray (@Gray_Mackenzie) June 8, 2021

symsymsym, Tuesday, 8 June 2021 19:09 (two weeks ago) link

Of course Rex Murphy takes the opportunity to tackle the issue of anti-white racism.

Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Tuesday, 8 June 2021 19:12 (two weeks ago) link

This fucking country

Hongro Hongro Hippies (Myonga Vön Bontee), Tuesday, 8 June 2021 19:17 (two weeks ago) link

Really sickening and maddening incident.

《Myst1kOblivi0n》 (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 8 June 2021 19:18 (two weeks ago) link

Such responses are not just a Quebec problem, alas.

pomenitul, Tuesday, 8 June 2021 19:18 (two weeks ago) link

Surely not, although Maxime Bernier did eagerly share Murphy's column. Tbf, Khilanani does actually seem like a piece of work but this was a guest lecture at a university in the US that was afterwards condemned by the Yale School of Medicine (who hosted it) itself, as well as prominent faculty members; even people on the Critical Theory reddit seem offended by her ideas. I suppose it's fair for Murphy to comment on whatever strikes him as worthy but I guess it seemed glaring that this was what seemed like the most pressing issue to him at this moment.

Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Wednesday, 9 June 2021 03:43 (two weeks ago) link

somehow missed that the entire Greens leadership was feuding over their Israel stances. This post by their sacked advisor Zatzman is hilarious, to me:

Zatzman responded with a Facebook post stating that Greens "will work to defeat you and bring in progressive climate champions who are antifa and pro LGBT and pro indigenous sovereignty and Zionists!!!!!"

symsymsym, Thursday, 10 June 2021 17:54 (two weeks ago) link

leaving the greens to join the liberals over israel makes no sense.

《Myst1kOblivi0n》 (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 10 June 2021 17:57 (two weeks ago) link

even the ndp is wishy washy over palestinian rights

《Myst1kOblivi0n》 (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 10 June 2021 17:58 (two weeks ago) link

the logic seems to be that being the Liberal candidate in New Brunswick in an election this year is the only way she'll keep her seat. but yeah if she's trashing Annami Paul for being mealy mouthed about Palestinian rights, just wait until she meets Justin Trudeau

symsymsym, Thursday, 10 June 2021 18:29 (two weeks ago) link

I support the NDP's platform resolution of opposing arms trade with Israel and not doing business with settlements, but yeah I don't think Jagmeet's heart is really in it

symsymsym, Thursday, 10 June 2021 18:31 (two weeks ago) link

great message going into the fall election

symsymsym, Thursday, 17 June 2021 02:39 (one week ago) link

more on the concentration camps in canada:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57592243

Punster McPunisher, Thursday, 24 June 2021 15:27 (yesterday) link

Remove the Catholic Church's tax exemption imo.

Van Horn Street, Thursday, 24 June 2021 17:02 (yesterday) link

the anglican church was also a part of this, so protestant churches should also bear some of the brunt of it

Punster McPunisher, Thursday, 24 June 2021 17:13 (yesterday) link

At the very least the two main protestant churches of Canada apologized decades ago.

Van Horn Street, Thursday, 24 June 2021 17:18 (yesterday) link

apologizing means accepting blame, can't be doing that!

《Myst1kOblivi0n》 (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 24 June 2021 17:20 (yesterday) link

and more than half of these schools were catholic.

Van Horn Street, Thursday, 24 June 2021 17:21 (yesterday) link

An estimated 6,000 children died while attending these schools, due in large part to the squalid health conditions inside.

Close to a thousand graves at just two schools...

jmm, Thursday, 24 June 2021 17:21 (yesterday) link

yeah.

seems hard to imagine what the figure would be when accounting for all the disappeared

《Myst1kOblivi0n》 (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 24 June 2021 17:23 (yesterday) link

Canadian gov. should kick the door open of the churches and seize all the books in my opinion. Wouldn't be surprised if something from the judiciary happened in the next few months.

Van Horn Street, Thursday, 24 June 2021 17:34 (yesterday) link

yeah.

seems hard to imagine what the figure would be when accounting for all the disappeared

― 《Myst1kOblivi0n》 (jim in vancouver), Thursday, June 24, 2021 1:23 PM (ten minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Considering there was 80 schools. At the current rate, it would be 40 000.

Van Horn Street, Thursday, 24 June 2021 17:35 (yesterday) link

At the very least the two main protestant churches of Canada apologized decades ago.

― Van Horn Street, Thursday, June 24, 2021 10:18 AM (twenty-four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

sure. the canadian gov't also "apologized" years ago. the truth has been out there for years; "known secret", etc. while that was needed, apologizing really means very little. there needs to be a lot more repercussion and a lot of change

this is a good start:

http://www.trc.ca/assets/pdf/Calls_to_Action_English2.pdf

from: http://www.trc.ca/about-us/trc-findings.html

Punster McPunisher, Thursday, 24 June 2021 17:47 (yesterday) link

That's why I wrote 'at the very least'.

In my experience working with First Nations and Inuktitut for almost two years now, apologizing means a lot.

I would imagine 95% of ILX boarders are very well aware of the TRC's calls to action, findings and shortcomings.

Van Horn Street, Thursday, 24 June 2021 17:57 (yesterday) link

it is #58 out of 94 on the list. in that list, it is a small portion of the things that need to be done by all organizations that had a hand, it doesn't matter how many, in these kinds of residential schools.

Punster McPunisher, Thursday, 24 June 2021 18:01 (yesterday) link

I haven't come across a single FNIM is saying only apologizing is nearly enough. But for a lot of them, it is an essential part of the healing.

Van Horn Street, Thursday, 24 June 2021 18:05 (yesterday) link

I mean, tax all the churches. End public funding for Catholic education. What the fuck is that shit anyhow?

"The Pus/Worm" by The Smiths (hardcore dilettante), Friday, 25 June 2021 00:49 (two hours ago) link

all of this is otfm.
and abolish the senate while we’re at it. is beyak still a senator?

scanner darkly, Friday, 25 June 2021 02:01 (fifty-four minutes ago) link


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