bojo is king, brexit is on, stuff is fvcked, tomorrow starts here -- new govt new thread new battle

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shake your chains to earth like dew
which in sleep had fallen on you
we are many -- they are few

^^^this may feel wildly wrong right now but it's still the correct baseline

mark s, Friday, 13 December 2019 10:27 (one month ago) link

I should have gone to bed like you!

gyac, Friday, 13 December 2019 10:28 (one month ago) link

anvil
Posted: 13 December 2019 at 10:26:57
The age breakdown of voters really gives the best indication of how 2024 might be. Though landscape in 2024 is of course likely to be substantially different


Where are you seeing this?

gyac, Friday, 13 December 2019 10:29 (one month ago) link

lol we're all gonna die

Receive Your Simulated Fluids Before The End of The Year! (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 13 December 2019 10:32 (one month ago) link

I feel it's worth noting that the only Northern seat I could find where Tory vote share decreased and the Brexit Party was the nearest challenger was one where the Tory candidate was called Iftikhar Ahmed. Though obviously you all understand the dynamics by now - a white working-class radicalised into a zero-sum culture war. It was still striking

imago, Friday, 13 December 2019 10:33 (one month ago) link

Though landscape in 2024 is of course likely to be substantially different

yeah that'll be because of the widespread flooding caused by climate change

Receive Your Simulated Fluids Before The End of The Year! (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 13 December 2019 10:34 (one month ago) link

Climate change is good because it only affects Labour constituencies iirc.

pomenitul, Friday, 13 December 2019 10:35 (one month ago) link

Hate to think what the starting point for trying to make the country more egalitarian would be by 2024.
So could do with a working opposition and hoping its not going to fracture like the Labour party did in the immediate aftermath of the original Brexit vote.
Really am hoping that the Boris lead Tories are enough of a monolithically bad thing to catalyse a lot more grassroots level organisation.
Also wondering if there is anything that would prevent the new term from lasting 5 years.

Stevolende, Friday, 13 December 2019 10:35 (one month ago) link

c&ping from the other thread to avoid the wrath of mark s

I don't think anyone on here is denying the real implications Daniel, it's not so much lols either. It's more that a lot of people are thinking "a big majority of the people voted for their own people to suffer."

Well yeah, they did, and it's fair to be angry at that, but it's also true that there are few European countries that haven't recently had considerable portions of their populace vote for things that are worth getting angry over. And on another level, while I understand that in practical terms you have to use shorthand to talk about countries in these terms and it's not a judgement on everyone who lives there, it still always makes me uncomfortable as soon as someone suggests an entire country can be dismissed or made to pay for its mistakes. It's the first step towards very ugly things.

I know I'm perhaps overanalysing off the cuff remarks here but if there's one day I can forgive myself for being oversensitive I feel like today is surely it.

Daniel_Rf, Friday, 13 December 2019 10:58 (one month ago) link

We're all gonna die.

― Matt DC, Friday, December 13, 2019 10:57 AM (one minute ago)

Best possible conclusion to the previous thread.

(Emphasis on 'all'.)

pomenitul, Friday, 13 December 2019 10:58 (one month ago) link

if there's one day I can forgive myself for being oversensitive I feel like today is surely it.

I certainly don't blame you!

This is a bit of a tangent, but how did you feel about the US when you found out that Trump got elected?

pomenitul, Friday, 13 December 2019 11:00 (one month ago) link

The most likely thing that would end the government prematurely is probably Scotland voting Yes to independence in a referendum organised without Johnson's consent. It'll probably happen.

Matt DC, Friday, 13 December 2019 11:01 (one month ago) link

if it does, we can look forward to the apparatus of the state being used to violently repress it, i guess

Receive Your Simulated Fluids Before The End of The Year! (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 13 December 2019 11:03 (one month ago) link

Boris won't last 5 years, I'd put money on it.

I've Got A Ron Wood Solo Album To Listen To (Tom D.), Friday, 13 December 2019 11:03 (one month ago) link

Ok, go on..

xyzzzz__, Friday, 13 December 2019 11:09 (one month ago) link

Obligatory:

Congratulations to Boris Johnson on his great WIN! Britain and the United States will now be free to strike a massive new Trade Deal after BREXIT. This deal has the potential to be far bigger and more lucrative than any deal that could be made with the E.U. Celebrate Boris!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 13, 2019

pomenitul, Friday, 13 December 2019 11:10 (one month ago) link

i wonder what odds william hill would give me on him being assassinated by a rejuvenated ira xp

Receive Your Simulated Fluids Before The End of The Year! (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 13 December 2019 11:10 (one month ago) link

Loyalists are more likely.

I've Got A Ron Wood Solo Album To Listen To (Tom D.), Friday, 13 December 2019 11:12 (one month ago) link

Don't know if it's already been discussed, but here is one Graun postmortem of many:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/13/five-reasons-why-labour-lost-the-election

pomenitul, Friday, 13 December 2019 11:14 (one month ago) link

solidly dispiriting #content in this thread

I was talking to a guy on the doorstep in a really nice part of town. He was against but up for a chat. We spoke about all the things he cared about: mainly the environment, about the future. He didn't know anything about the Green New Deal but seemed interested. But then.

— Senior Tory Source (@Mc_Heckin_Duff) December 13, 2019

Receive Your Simulated Fluids Before The End of The Year! (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 13 December 2019 11:15 (one month ago) link

Turnout listed as 67.3% - down 1.6 on 2017 - not a big deal in the grand scheme of things especially for a short notice election in December but ffs

nashwan, Friday, 13 December 2019 11:15 (one month ago) link

Former Ulster Unionist Party leader Mike Nesbitt in a BBC interview tonight-
"The great irony of all of this is that for decades unionists have looked over their shoulders and decided that Irish nationalists were the great threat...but actually it’s English nationalism"

— Siobhán Fenton (@SiobhanFenton) December 13, 2019



Mike Nesbitt has just said the biggest threat to Union is English Nationalism If they weren’t prepared to pay £89 billion into EU. they may now look at the six counties and decide they are not value for money and cut them loose

— J_J@52 (@J_J52) December 13, 2019

gyac, Friday, 13 December 2019 11:18 (one month ago) link

Saw so many reports of queues at polling stations, and anecdotes about them seeming busier than usual, that a bigger turnout seemed probable.

I'd love to know a demographic breakdown of who didn't vote.

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Friday, 13 December 2019 11:19 (one month ago) link

Re: that Senior Tory Source Twitter thread:

Blair did it and it didn't work and everyone called him an SJW liberal anyway. It doesn't work. Not doing it doesn't work. People want the hardest racism they can get.

This is where we're at right now, almost everywhere in the world, and it's bound to get far worse before it gets any better. Yes, it's depressing as fuck and I'm more than a little terrified by what awaits us all.

pomenitul, Friday, 13 December 2019 11:19 (one month ago) link

handy off-the-cuff 7-part breakdown of ways forward* (sadly all bad but it is analysis and we have to start somewhere):

*local ways forward but actually (per pom) ways foward genuinely have to be global now

Ok in the knowledge that it is is way too early, my thoughts on what next. Here are some options...

— Dan Davies (@dsquareddigest) December 13, 2019

mark s, Friday, 13 December 2019 11:21 (one month ago) link

it's not labour or europe that drove our economy off a cliff, it was bankers selling derivatives. the response? slash funding to councils and appoint a deutsche bank managing director as chancellor of the exchequer

brb just going to drink myself to death

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 13 December 2019 11:21 (one month ago) link

This is a bit of a tangent, but how did you feel about the US when you found out that Trump got elected?

Well, sad for my friends who live there and terrified because of what it was going to do to the world at large? Plenty angry too, but "well fuck 'em" isn't even an option when you're talking global superpowers innit.

Scotland voting Yes to independence in a referendum organised without Johnson's consent.

Is this actually possible? I guess with the amount of overturning norms corrent legal procedure is no longer as much of an issue...

Daniel_Rf, Friday, 13 December 2019 11:22 (one month ago) link

Former Ulster Unionist Party leader Mike Nesbitt in a BBC interview tonight-
"The great irony of all of this is that for decades unionists have looked over their shoulders and decided that Irish nationalists were the great threat...but actually it’s English nationalism"

How about reading about 1798 instead of sticking 1690 on your banners, you morons?

I've Got A Ron Wood Solo Album To Listen To (Tom D.), Friday, 13 December 2019 11:24 (one month ago) link

This is where we're at right now, almost everywhere in the world, and it's bound to get far worse before it gets any better. Yes, it's depressing as fuck and I'm more than a little terrified by what awaits us all.

untold millions of people who don't look like boris johnson are going to be displaced by climate change in the coming decades and they're going to be desperately seeking refuge in less-ravaged nations around the world - i don't see that lending itself to a more inclusive worldview in places like the uk without an unprecedented effort to address racism

Receive Your Simulated Fluids Before The End of The Year! (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 13 December 2019 11:24 (one month ago) link

Is this actually possible?

it happened in catalonia! it did not go well :(

Receive Your Simulated Fluids Before The End of The Year! (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 13 December 2019 11:26 (one month ago) link

Are there any stats on the vote breakdown?

gyac, Friday, 13 December 2019 11:26 (one month ago) link

Good luck joining the EU without a consensual referendum. Tories might be happy to cut Scotland loose for a guaranteed majority forever

plax (ico), Friday, 13 December 2019 11:29 (one month ago) link

Though

plax (ico), Friday, 13 December 2019 11:29 (one month ago) link

Feel like SNP fucked Labour getting a majority anyway

And on the "different context" point, I prefer to just use the numbers because everyone can make their own context adjustments. If you spot Brown the recession, at the very least you have to spot Corbyn and Miliband the rise of the SNP.

— Dan Davies (@dsquareddigest) December 13, 2019

gyac, Friday, 13 December 2019 11:33 (one month ago) link

5L callers keep saying this a.m. that they couldn't vote for corbyn because of 'his baggage' and 'the people around him', that he gave 'too much ammunition to the right wing press' - all from a kind of meta level that OTHER people would be put off. i guess this is the 'electability' mentality. nobody actually talked about what they themselves didn't like about him.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 13 December 2019 11:36 (one month ago) link

the electability narrative is such infuriating bullshit

Receive Your Simulated Fluids Before The End of The Year! (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 13 December 2019 11:38 (one month ago) link

Absolutely irate caller on 5L, just livid - can't believe he's got a Tory MP in County Durham.

'If you want Brexit, you vote Conservative, and that's what we've got. .... Why didn't you vote Labour? And if Corbyn was no good we could have just got rid of him? That's what the Tories have done the last four years! Just put in a Labour government and if Corbyn's no good get rid of him!'

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 13 December 2019 11:42 (one month ago) link

absolutely irate caller on 5l otm

Receive Your Simulated Fluids Before The End of The Year! (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 13 December 2019 11:42 (one month ago) link

Tories got just a little under 300,000 more votes this time than in 2017

While Labour lost around 2.6M votes

What a staggeringly shit system

nashwan, Friday, 13 December 2019 11:43 (one month ago) link

Feel like SNP fucked Labour getting a majority anyway

Post the Independence Referendum the Labour Party now has the handicap of being down upwards of 40 seats in General Elections.

I've Got A Ron Wood Solo Album To Listen To (Tom D.), Friday, 13 December 2019 11:45 (one month ago) link

Absolutely empirical proof exists that the Tories are better at committing regicide than Labour.

Matt DC, Friday, 13 December 2019 11:46 (one month ago) link

It's like dragging a ball and chain about.

I've Got A Ron Wood Solo Album To Listen To (Tom D.), Friday, 13 December 2019 11:46 (one month ago) link

(xp)

I've Got A Ron Wood Solo Album To Listen To (Tom D.), Friday, 13 December 2019 11:46 (one month ago) link

thank you david, very cool!

Betrayal is the cry of the Left against Labour in govt. Now we have seen the truth: Betrayal is when an in-credible, sectarian Labour opposition fails to provide a viable alternative to a distrusted Tory party. They get rumbled. The Tories win. The country loses. https://t.co/IlHhescGYF

— David Miliband (@DMiliband) December 13, 2019

Receive Your Simulated Fluids Before The End of The Year! (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 13 December 2019 11:52 (one month ago) link

johnson's slogan: get brexit done
sky's strapline: the brexit election
every centrist melt: whyyyy don't you back remain

same melts on 13 dec: ACTUALLY it wasn't really about brexit

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 13 December 2019 11:56 (one month ago) link

great to see the politics of aspiration breaking through to the most deprived areas in the country, looking forward to local people bootstrapping their way to prosperity through enthusiastic entrepreneurship

Receive Your Simulated Fluids Before The End of The Year! (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 13 December 2019 12:00 (one month ago) link

(kill me)

Receive Your Simulated Fluids Before The End of The Year! (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 13 December 2019 12:00 (one month ago) link

Gary Younge is typically clear headed here:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/13/labour-why-lost-jeremy-corbyn-brexit-media?

Matt DC, Friday, 13 December 2019 12:01 (one month ago) link

was just about to post that - excellent piece

Receive Your Simulated Fluids Before The End of The Year! (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 13 December 2019 12:02 (one month ago) link

Labour leadership contender, Keir Starmer, said Labour ignored the middle class in the last election pic.twitter.com/ICizD8gU6x

— PA Media (@PA) January 28, 2020

How does he back that up? it's just absolute bollocks. Next he'll be using that old Leslie classic about Labour needing to be the party of the rich consumer class Which magazine reader, he's not even trying not be such an obvious tory melt now! As I recall there were thousands of middle class party activists giving up their time for a manifesto that didn't have anything that wouldn't have improved their lives as well? What a prick.

calzino, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 08:28 (yesterday) link

nah this is fine now we just need someone to say Labour ignored the richiest richies and they'll have covered all bases

nashwan, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 08:36 (yesterday) link

they might as well have just invited Chris Leslie back to the party, he's probably slightly to the left of Starmer!

calzino, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 08:40 (yesterday) link

if tables could talk

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chapoquidditch (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 09:50 (yesterday) link

My guess is he's talking about a kind of aspirational working-to-middle class voter group in the Midlands in particular who voted against Labour in their droves. This might be a natural Tory group at this stage but otherwise its a classic swing voter group.

The 2015 leadership campaigns focused heavily on this group to the exclusion of pretty much everything else and look what happened. Pretty sure that the metropolitan middle class isn't what's being talked about here.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 09:51 (yesterday) link

"aspirational working-to-middle class voter group"

rather than saying we need to appeal to this swing group, the conservation should be more about asking if such a group will even exist within a decade of toryism or more of the same packaged differently.

calzino, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 09:57 (yesterday) link

Isn't it proven that even aspirational working class people still think of themselves as working class and have no desire to be thought of as middle class and called middle class?

Duncan Disorderly (Tom D.), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 09:59 (yesterday) link

idk how those people can be won back other than through losing confidence in the Tories to maintain the economy on a relatively even keel. 'Swing voter' seems instinctively correct but i struggle to think of much in the way of policy that is likely to get them into Labour's corner.

ShariVari, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 10:00 (yesterday) link

I might be thinking of polls or surveys done years ago but I thought the majority of people in the country still call themsleves working class?

Duncan Disorderly (Tom D.), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 10:00 (yesterday) link

lots of quite well off culturally working class, fiscally middle class people probably don't even have a bookshelf in the house!

calzino, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 10:01 (yesterday) link

I see lots of these every Sunday at the local football club. They talk like braindead neanderthal thugs, but turn up in £12 grand cars.

calzino, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 10:04 (yesterday) link

could have a nationalised tattooist chain offering free tribal tats for all!

calzino, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 10:08 (yesterday) link

One thing I've noticed going past some of the £180 000 houses of these posh thugs is that they often have some huge (and hugely narcissistic) vanity pic of them with their bairn over the fireplace.

calzino, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 10:14 (yesterday) link

Yeah I don't know how you win this group round either but Starmer's statement isn't really about fact, it's about batsignalling to the people who felt ignored last time, whether they were or not.

One of the many reasons that Labour lost the last election was that they bet too much on groups of voters (including mythical silent-majority groups) that didn't turn out to be as large as expected, or were concentrated in the wrong parts of the country. The challenge is how you add other groups to yr coalition of voters without either going full Blair and alienating your existing voters, or just waiting for the Tories to lead us into economic disaster.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 10:38 (yesterday) link

Brexit 50p banter from all sides has passed through irrelevant and tedious to actively fucking annoying now, passive-aggressive wanking while rome burns.

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 10:48 (yesterday) link

Starmer has been bat-signalling across the whole political spectrum because that is what he I guess, an absolute classic melt. Didn't you see the video where he revealed his radical left past as a member of the angry brigade in the 70's and his part in an operation to blow up a Tory MP's caravan!

calzino, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 10:48 (yesterday) link

hang on is blowing up Tory caravans bad or good

stet, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 10:51 (yesterday) link

One of the many reasons that Labour lost the last election was that they bet too much on groups of voters (including mythical silent-majority groups) that didn't turn out to be as large as expected, or were concentrated in the wrong parts of the country. The challenge is how you add other groups to yr coalition of voters without either going full Blair and alienating your existing voters, or just waiting for the Tories to lead us into economic disaster.

One of the things that give me pause when Sanders, etc, talk about 'activating non-voters' in the US.

When was the last time we had a change of government that wasn't precipitated by an economic crisis? The 60s?

ShariVari, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 10:54 (yesterday) link

xp

good but better when they are inside it or some of smouldering blast debris sets their house ablaze as well!

calzino, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 10:57 (yesterday) link

my favourite self-own of Starmer's was when he said his father was a humble tool-maker.

calzino, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 11:03 (yesterday) link

It doesn't matter what signals Starmer is putting out now imo. What is beyond doubt is that he will be completely pliable to the right of the party, even if some of his intentions are honourable right now he's shown he has a history of completely lacking any conviction and always following the path of least resistance.

calzino, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 11:11 (yesterday) link

actually lacking conviction is unfair he was a committed Remainer and had a steadfast commitment to locking up more poor people!

calzino, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 11:36 (yesterday) link

the problem with many of these "swing voters" I think is that they've totally internalised the every-person-for-themselves idea that the economy owes them nothing that they don't deserve anything that anyway they've worked hard for what they have and earned it that they don't need or want help and probably that they doubly don't want other people who do need help to have "hand outs"

the only way out is to have them persuaded that none of this is desirable nor natural that the economy should and can afford everyone a better standard of living that we all stand to benefit from no one having to endure the desperation and precarity that feature in many people's daily lives and actually that doing otherwise is a huge waste of money and energy for everyone involved

conrad, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 11:56 (yesterday) link

to some people poverty is an inherent weakness rather than external factors like economic crashes and austerity stripping away the tax credits that kept them out of it. I don't know how you get through to such people other than them experiencing the horrors of UC themselves when their livelihoods are knackered by a ndb or whatever will follow next year.

calzino, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 12:11 (yesterday) link

You can't get through to those people and it's pointless trying. Anything that might appeal like say cast iron pledges on fuel duty are incompatible with the green agenda and can be outflanked by the Tories anyway.

But there's another group - who don't like to think about themselves as NOT caring about the poor but when push comes to shove don't prioritise policies that benefit them. Those voters can be split off but they won't be if they don't see the leader first and foremost as a safe pair of hands. Unfortunately this is also an area where the media can really go to town on the candidate, as they will do even with Starmer if he wins.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 12:31 (yesterday) link

When was the last time we had a change of government that wasn't precipitated by an economic crisis? The 60s?

― ShariVari, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 bookmarkflaglink

There will also be a climate crisis that will depress productivity and growth.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 13:06 (yesterday) link

And that's when I think the narratives Conrad talks about will matter the most and what Matt talks in regards to the media and 'safe pair of hands' (which is another narrative) may also matter less.

I would be vary of extracting too much about the electorate from the last election, which was a Brexit election.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 13:09 (yesterday) link

missed the "except the 1%" off the end of my last post

conrad, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 13:12 (yesterday) link

Arguably these narratives aren't mutually exclusive, in order to be persuaded it needs to be someone they're prepared to listen to and will trust.

In any case, we can't sit around and wait for the climate crisis to become acute and hope that's going to benefit the left, because the concurrent economic crisis is just as likely to motivate people to try and protect what they've got.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 13:26 (yesterday) link

(Obviously this isn't all top down by any means, quite the opposite actually)

Matt DC, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 13:28 (yesterday) link

I think the next election (putting the imminent apocalypse aside) will be much tougher for the governing party. Even if brexit doesn't prove as disastrous for the economy as seems to be the most likely outcome. Nobody has disputed that the economy will definitely contract after it, and however much it does some levels of unemployment rising and average earnings falling seem like certain outcomes. It's difficult to put a good spin on that.

calzino, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 13:36 (yesterday) link

"we can't sit around and wait for the climate crisis to become acute and hope that's going to benefit the left, because the concurrent economic crisis is just as likely to motivate people to try and protect what they've got."

Certainly not advocating for sitting about, just reacting to posts above that were saying that it's tough to talk people round and that it's very difficult to get a new government in without an economic crisis.

Certainly electing RLB, pushing policies that will become important, getting our councils up to scratch (important whether RLB is elected or not) is a start xp

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 13:38 (yesterday) link

But yes a governing party has only been ejected twice in the past 40 years which feels insanely low for any democracy. No idea if it is or not.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 13:53 (yesterday) link

Both Starmer and RLB (and also some increasingly brainwormed relatives of mine) have raised this idea Labour need more for the "aspirational" and a lack of it cost them the election

Still just sounds like 'oh no we've upset 80K Man' pandering rn tho

nashwan, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 13:58 (yesterday) link

I think RLB was saying socialism is an aspiration for all of us .. and something about how too much of the manifesto was unveiled as "handouts" to a self-interest group rather than everybody. That's the way I interpreted it at the time at least.

calzino, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 14:05 (yesterday) link

They are all bad tbh though. Sometimes I can't wait for this to finish so I can burn my card and never vote for them again for the rest of my life!

calzino, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 14:07 (yesterday) link

RLB's reaching for loads of off-the-peg campaign stuff like that, people just don't care because she's RLB. Either that or castigating her for not saying the sort of thing the other candidates are saying, even though she is, constantly. The whole contest is so bland so far.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 14:09 (yesterday) link

he altered legal guidelines so that those improperly claiming benefits could be charged under the Fraud Act, which carries a maximum sentence of ten years (Emily Thornberry argued it should be increased to fourteen)

lol the new left and right wings of the PLP :(

calzino, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 14:31 (yesterday) link

believe it or not my conclusion from reading that piece is that he is a cop and a tory. But there is always something new on this guy that you've missed it seems: the stuff about giving more power to crack down on protesters is new layer of slime to me.

calzino, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 14:37 (yesterday) link

Meanwhile in the UK: Please sign my petition to have an Oxford Comma added on the Brexit 50p coin https://t.co/mX2NJ2Fc9a

— Marijam Didžgalvytė (@marijamdid) January 28, 2020

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 15:55 (yesterday) link

can't wait to see the extensive coverage of these protests on the evening news tonight

the main character Cooly and his fart attack (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 15:56 (yesterday) link

I'm going to Paris next week, I'll let you know what's happening.

Duncan Disorderly (Tom D.), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 15:58 (yesterday) link

Are there right wing thinktanks in France that would dare say aloud that pension age should raised to 75? I doubt it somehow.

calzino, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 16:14 (yesterday) link

Only for black people and Muslims.

Duncan Disorderly (Tom D.), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 16:40 (yesterday) link

Team Keir’s latest email – really pushing that backstory, complete with photo of young KS 👇 pic.twitter.com/83FptphQA2

— Sienna Rodgers (@siennamarla) January 28, 2020

at least now we've finally got our own young dynamic Macron type figure.

calzino, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 16:47 (yesterday) link

gonna tell my children this was Kraftwerk

GK Chessington's World of Adventure (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 16:48 (yesterday) link

lool!

calzino, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 16:50 (yesterday) link


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