Stonewall the QUEER SUMMER 2019

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appropriate there is a new thread to commemorate Stonewall

Dan S, Saturday, 29 June 2019 03:04 (two months ago) link

wish I was there

Dan S, Saturday, 29 June 2019 03:09 (two months ago) link

Stonewall the queer summer? More like bone all who're near summer!

Pauline Male (Eric H.), Saturday, 29 June 2019 13:59 (two months ago) link

i'm glad you're moving into comedy, honeybunch

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 29 June 2019 14:02 (two months ago) link

I haven't gotten laid in like five days and i've had enough

surm, Saturday, 29 June 2019 20:05 (two months ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwvQ-CPK0Z0

clouds, Sunday, 30 June 2019 15:29 (two months ago) link

headed to this today: http://www.ifccenter.com/films/the-queen/

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Sunday, 30 June 2019 15:37 (two months ago) link

How was everyone's pride?

surm, Monday, 1 July 2019 12:45 (two months ago) link

bcz i did not leave my apartment (except to buy food) until 7:20pm, great!

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 1 July 2019 14:03 (two months ago) link

a few hours downtown followed by a trip up to central park - with a lengthy trip to Washington Square Park - strongly suggested a conflation of Pride with Carnival in a way I'd never seen before.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 1 July 2019 14:40 (two months ago) link

I've...never been to a Pride parade.

(Ours were a few weeks ago)

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 1 July 2019 15:39 (two months ago) link

i sorta missed the parade this year but the streets were closed down and everything was shoulder to shoulder from downtown to midtown regardless

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 1 July 2019 15:40 (two months ago) link

i'm a bit more of a Folsom Street Fair type, tbh. Pride often just seems like a bunch of corporate hooey and a lot of people getting way too fucked up. i find it depressing, and have felt this way even before i started really cutting back on drinking and partying.

blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Monday, 1 July 2019 15:42 (two months ago) link

(for reference to those who've never met me in person, i now drink approximately ten alcoholic beverages a month. i used to do that in the space of 48 hours, on a regular basis, for years).

blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Monday, 1 July 2019 15:44 (two months ago) link

There was an anti-corporate Queer Lib march apart from the big one, but I attended neither.

Folsom Strett East is two blocks long now... I did go to that a week ago, but just spectated for two hours.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 1 July 2019 15:49 (two months ago) link

the SF one was shut down in the middle yesterday for 50 minutes by anti-police /anti-corporation protestors

Dan S, Monday, 1 July 2019 15:51 (two months ago) link

I don't go to Pride because I try to go outdoors in the summertime as little as possible.

Herman Woke (cryptosicko), Monday, 1 July 2019 16:00 (two months ago) link

yeah, heat + crowds + lots of music I don't need to hear again

spent about two hours in bar both Sat & Sun nights, that was my limit

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 1 July 2019 16:02 (two months ago) link

i know about the protests at the SF parade. know one of the folks who was in that line.

but that disruption still won't get me near anything like a Pride parade. it's just not my thing— you can drag me to a party or something, yes, but a parade? fuck no.

blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Monday, 1 July 2019 16:05 (two months ago) link

I went to one once but it was in Berlin, just last year, as it happens. The Christopher Street Parade, they call it there. I had so much fun but I was extremely drunk and it was Berlin and was very ridiculous. I fell out with my friend who had decided to wear a dress but wasn't confident enough to be a guy in a dress so I had to supervise.

Actually, it was shit, apart from being wasted.

Funky Isolations (jed_), Monday, 1 July 2019 22:39 (two months ago) link

and I went into the Tiergarten after the parade ended and lots of men were cruising and that so it was interesting.

Funky Isolations (jed_), Monday, 1 July 2019 22:41 (two months ago) link

It was an experience.

Funky Isolations (jed_), Monday, 1 July 2019 22:43 (two months ago) link

see how bipolar I am.

Funky Isolations (jed_), Monday, 1 July 2019 22:44 (two months ago) link

i got excited reading about dore alley parties yesterday (i might go this year with my boyfriend) but i don't know. sometimes it's more fun to read about them, not go, and look at photos / listen to the sets later haha. i don't drink anymore so it's got to either have good music or good socializing. and not be at 2 in the morning. noncompliant is dj-ing. so is dj harvey. the harvey thing looks like a sex party maybe. i've always wanted to see him do his thing but i don't know if it's like too much work. i get tired at 10 every night lol.

xp jed i feel you, i always have the best and worst time at parties, alcohol dramatizes my mood swings.

cheese canopy (map), Monday, 1 July 2019 22:56 (two months ago) link

and I know what you mean about being there or not but looking afterwards.

Funky Isolations (jed_), Monday, 1 July 2019 23:00 (two months ago) link

fuckin' hate parades
i stayed inside all day in the AC and tried to work on music

surm, Tuesday, 2 July 2019 16:52 (two months ago) link

What goes less mentioned is that Stonewall was just two years old at the time, and when the first pride parade—then known as the Christopher Street Liberation Day March—was held the following year, the bar had already shut down after timidly limiting its drink selection to juices. The space became a bagel shop, a Chinese restaurant, and a shoe store until its current iteration opened in 1990. As much as Stonewall galvanized the gay community, that community navigated both its 1970s heyday and the apocalyptic throes of the AIDS crisis without it. Pride finds a way....

“Circuit parties [gay raves] and parades are thriving. Grindr isn’t killing them and Grindr isn’t killing gay bars. Boredom is,” posits Daniel Nardicio, an impresario of gay nightlife in New York who also runs his own gay bar and cabaret, Club Cumming, with actor Alan Cumming. “Ooh, you have drag bingo? Drag brunch? Drag karaoke? Stop. Give me something new, not just a rainbow on a bottle of Absolut or a retirement home cliché hosted by a drag queen.”

Even as gay bars have ridden the acclaimed historic visibility of television shows including RuPaul’s Drag Race and Pose, they’ve merely become “vessels for viewing parties” of those shows, adds Nardicio.

Gay bars are “stuck,” he says, and he has a theory about why.

“AIDS killed lots of artists and free spirits, but it also killed people who would’ve grown up to become mentors to everyone under 50 now. We grew up alone and without that sense of connection across generations. We lost them, and we’ve paid the price by slipping from the creative class to the consumer class. We went from radical to basic.” “Basic,” according to the Urban Dictionary of American slang, is one “only interested in things mainstream, popular, and trending.” Consider how derivative 2019 queer culture seems compared with 1967. Gay liberation pulls its punches....

In contrast to broad LGBTQ acceptance by the mainstream, queer culture itself has fought and fractured internally largely along racial lines. The idea of a united gay community in 2019 is as much a fantasy as there ever was for a demographic group whose sole uniting factor is sexual preference and societal marginalization—not, say, age, creed, career, class, color, health, or regionalism, the identities around which Americans often coalesce. So as gay bars embrace bachelorettes and other straight audiences even as they tell trans women they “aren’t real women,” or assert that centering blackness too much is “not good for the businesses,” there is actually more of a need for more vulnerable members of the queer spectrum to have spaces that feel safe to them, and exclusively for them.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-06-28/the-american-gay-bar-is-down-but-don-t-count-it-out-just-yet

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 14:25 (two months ago) link

totally agree
so much basic
it's shit
i always say i wish i had grown up in new york in the 80s....without all the death.

surm, Wednesday, 3 July 2019 15:59 (two months ago) link

gratified to seem some grousing about the gross corporate hedonism of pride parades, cuz I was starting to feel like a homophobe last weekend for having similar thoughts

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 3 July 2019 16:03 (two months ago) link

are you kidding? half my contemporaries are morons, sorry ya shits

surm, Wednesday, 3 July 2019 16:04 (two months ago) link

it's a miracle i found any gay friends in this city tbh

surm, Wednesday, 3 July 2019 16:04 (two months ago) link

They don't come more basic than me, sorry to say.

Pauline Male (Eric H.), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 16:05 (two months ago) link

waitaminit, surm are you in SF?!

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 3 July 2019 16:07 (two months ago) link

you're high-end basic, dear

xp

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 16:07 (two months ago) link

omg no i wish! in NYC, sorry if i confused you!
and Eric i beg to differ. you have a big heart. that's p unbasic, shocking as that may be.

surm, Wednesday, 3 July 2019 16:08 (two months ago) link

btw Happy Roundnumber Birthday, Eric!

The only thing I remember about the summer of '79 is I saw a double bill of Animal House and Putney Swope at my hometown theater.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 16:13 (two months ago) link

Round number and rounder midsection!

Pauline Male (Eric H.), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 16:44 (two months ago) link

all part of the otter to bear transformation

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 17:16 (two months ago) link

I'm having Jake over tonight
There's a real spark there!
He's adorable and sexy af and I'm a little bit pinching myself
!!!!

surm, Friday, 5 July 2019 21:22 (two months ago) link

Jake Ryan?

Pauline Male (Eric H.), Friday, 5 July 2019 21:35 (two months ago) link

Lol nooooo
Jake with the floppy hair who lives on my street and wants to watch horror movies with me!!!!!

surm, Friday, 5 July 2019 21:40 (two months ago) link

damn, see what I miss by hating horror movies

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 5 July 2019 22:35 (two months ago) link

:P he let me top and now I want a burger

surm, Saturday, 6 July 2019 06:21 (two months ago) link

Horror movies, topping and burgers?! Keep that one!

Pauline Male (Eric H.), Saturday, 6 July 2019 13:38 (two months ago) link

Omg right

surm, Saturday, 6 July 2019 14:44 (two months ago) link

hooked up with a dude at a wedding I attended -- Brooklyn's good for that sort of thing

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 6 July 2019 15:19 (two months ago) link

Lol Brooklyn is so slutty. What did he look like?! Give us the deets

surm, Saturday, 6 July 2019 17:33 (two months ago) link

lightweights are cute

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 22 August 2019 18:52 (four weeks ago) link

i’m a welterweight myself

donna rouge, Thursday, 22 August 2019 20:35 (four weeks ago) link

i'm glad you are boxing! i would be too if my bones weren't, you know, made of chalk.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 22 August 2019 20:48 (four weeks ago) link

ha, have not technically sparred yet, just glovework with classmates/instructor, but i really love doing it and i’m definitely improving! (also most of my classmates are queerz, which is pretty rad)

donna rouge, Friday, 23 August 2019 01:13 (four weeks ago) link

i really love my boyfriend, like a lot. the end.

cheese canopy (map), Monday, 26 August 2019 22:17 (three weeks ago) link

Yay

And same

flamboyant goon tie included, Monday, 26 August 2019 22:36 (three weeks ago) link

I think I'll keep him.

Pauline Male (Eric H.), Monday, 26 August 2019 22:41 (three weeks ago) link

i really love my boyfriend too but he's very far away from me. every day is excruciating.

"i'll be alright, it's just a thousand cuts" -- taylor swift

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 27 August 2019 04:41 (three weeks ago) link

it must be, u can't even answer emails

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 27 August 2019 10:46 (three weeks ago) link

John Cameron Mitchell otm

You said in an interview that you don’t so much identity as gay any more or certainly not as strongly. Why not?

MITCHELL: Gay has become a marketing niche. Like “top” and “bottom,” “man” and “woman,” and “comedy” and “drama.” You slice and dice so you can sell or be sold to — or to decide what show belongs in which Emmy category. Life has no niches, it’s a complex continuum with nuance and surprising juxtapositions. I don’t like to be marketed to and told what I am or should like because of my gender or sexual preference.

You’ve talked a lot about empathy, queer folks’ special skills at it, empathy being the opposite of “cancel culture.” Can you explain?

MITCHELL: The gift of being “other” is having empathy for the downtrodden and oppressed. “Woke” without empathy is just another form of control. Here’s an example. If you believe in prison reform and rehabilitation then you can’t cancel people. We, as queer people, have been canceled for centuries. Let’s make folks accountable and safe but let’s not co-opt our oppressors’ bullying ways.

https://www.gaycitynews.nyc/stories/2019/18/john-cameron-mitchell-podcast-2019-08-12-gcn.html

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 27 August 2019 15:49 (three weeks ago) link

Very otm!

flamboyant goon tie included, Tuesday, 27 August 2019 18:41 (three weeks ago) link

Hello! Glad to hear all the updates. Morbz where r u looking to move?

Boof is packing up today and leaving by Friday, just had a good cry in his arms and banking on a few more. Hoping to figure out in what ways we will remain in each other's lives sooner rather than later. We'll seeee.

surm, Wednesday, 28 August 2019 21:02 (three weeks ago) link

anywhere that's cheap as possible, surm :/

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 21:03 (three weeks ago) link

agh New York will not be the same without you!

surm, Friday, 30 August 2019 18:15 (three weeks ago) link

Where will you end up, though, Morbs?

Pauline Male (Eric H.), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 03:07 (two weeks ago) link

Regret to inform I'm still obsessed with "I Can't Tell You Why."

Pauline Male (Eric H.), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 03:08 (two weeks ago) link

where we all end up, Eric

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 05:21 (two weeks ago) link

Canada?

flamboyant goon tie included, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 05:31 (two weeks ago) link

:)

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 05:44 (two weeks ago) link

Regret to inform I'm still obsessed with "I Can't Tell You Why."

― Pauline Male (Eric H.), Tuesday, September 3, 2019 11:08 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

where we all end up, Eric

― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius),

well, yeah

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 11:06 (two weeks ago) link

id say 'beyond salvation' if I knew what that was

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 11:58 (two weeks ago) link

"Beyond the clutches of Don Henley"

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 12:03 (two weeks ago) link

just feel the need to drop in here and say fuck straight people. can i get an amen?

cheese canopy (map), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 19:30 (two weeks ago) link

are you ordering us to fuck straight people

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 19:33 (two weeks ago) link

as soon as i posted that i thought 'alfred's going to make a joke about fucking straight people" so i'm cheers-ing you with my 32 oz iced coffee

cheese canopy (map), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 19:35 (two weeks ago) link

I mostly hang out w/ the str8s

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 5 September 2019 00:44 (two weeks ago) link

lol alfred

Dan S, Thursday, 5 September 2019 00:47 (two weeks ago) link

We all mostly hang out w/ the str8s tho

Pauline Male (Eric H.), Thursday, 5 September 2019 01:47 (two weeks ago) link

if anything the straights get their jollies these days by flirting with diffident us.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 5 September 2019 01:50 (two weeks ago) link

Diffident, firm, yielding us.

Pauline Male (Eric H.), Thursday, 5 September 2019 02:01 (two weeks ago) link

thank God I can never tell when someone's flirting

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 5 September 2019 05:38 (two weeks ago) link

i'm debating whether or not to befriend more straight men
sometimes i like them
i dunno

surm, Thursday, 5 September 2019 15:33 (two weeks ago) link

happy almost fall!!!!!
I'm quite enjoying having a bachelor pad I mean, I can basically do whatever I want whenever I want it
IT'S NOT BAD

surm, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 06:51 (one week ago) link

This dude I dated for a few months before we decided to be friends instead, I love him so so much
Today I spoke to him on the phone, he was expressing some body image issues
And I told him that, in fact, he was so beautiful that it felt cruel
He liked that!

flamboyant goon tie included, Wednesday, 11 September 2019 02:29 (one week ago) link

aw that is so sweet
i think i would really like to hear that if i were in his shoes

surm, Wednesday, 11 September 2019 19:03 (one week ago) link

congrats on your move surm

cheese canopy (map), Wednesday, 11 September 2019 19:50 (one week ago) link

thank you!!! you know, i actually kept the apartment so while it wasn't a move, it really feels like a brand new home with just me there. i have to do a lot of redecorating soon....

surm, Wednesday, 11 September 2019 21:25 (one week ago) link

The new Azealia Banks mixtape has gotten a lot of weird ire online but I just listened to it twice through and it fucking rules

I don't know where else to put that statement

flamboyant goon tie included, Friday, 13 September 2019 04:52 (one week ago) link

<3
i can't stop listening to Kelly by Kelly Rowland
like over and over

surm, Friday, 13 September 2019 14:35 (one week ago) link

packed house at Lincoln Center last night to see Lily Tomlin & Jane Wagner

lots of women, gayz, couples

a line I'd forgotten from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe is "What's the point of being a hedonist if you're not having a good time?"

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 13 September 2019 15:21 (one week ago) link

Oh yeah a friend of mine was at that thing and posted about it on Facebook
My bf saw the update and said "I do not understand a single word of this Facebook post"

flamboyant goon tie included, Friday, 13 September 2019 15:25 (one week ago) link

There were superfans rushing the stage for selfies with Lily at the end. What the hell is wrong with people?

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 13 September 2019 15:27 (one week ago) link

tbh i have a limited number of people i would want selfies with but lily tomlin is one of them

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 13 September 2019 16:27 (one week ago) link

i might too, but not in the middle of a scrum.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 13 September 2019 16:44 (one week ago) link

no, agreed; that's always a bad look up to and including the most famous of people

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 13 September 2019 18:20 (one week ago) link

I have a photo of myself with Lily but it wasn’t a selfie and I hadn’t planned on asking for it - on the rare occasions I meet Very Famous People I don’t usually ask for photos. But she was very nice about it.

donna rouge, Friday, 13 September 2019 22:23 (one week ago) link

so liiiiike
i'm getting together with a guy tonight who's super into this dom sub stuff
like i think he wants me to slap him around which don't get me wrong, i'm totally into
but it's been a hot minute sooo i just hope i haven't lost my touch
also i have a 4th date with a reallllly nice and handsome guy on Friday. he used to be a runway model so i have no idea what he's doing with me but I'LL TAKE IT

surm, Monday, 16 September 2019 20:07 (five days ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOMvs_1UFCk

cheese canopy (map), Monday, 16 September 2019 21:14 (five days ago) link

:P :D :D

surm, Monday, 16 September 2019 21:52 (five days ago) link


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