US Politics April 2019 Thread: 'I find that pretty hard to believe'

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this is it, this is the month trump will be deposed and normal life will resume again

mr greta t. gremlin (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 1 April 2019 13:40 (three weeks ago) Permalink

good morning!

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 1 April 2019 14:04 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Bitter resignation, on both politics and popular entertainment fronts.

Kardashev scale sex tape (Sanpaku), Monday, 1 April 2019 15:52 (three weeks ago) Permalink

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steven, soda jerk (sic), Monday, 1 April 2019 16:12 (three weeks ago) Permalink

You and me both, brother.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 1 April 2019 16:21 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I wondered why Merrick Garland was trending on Twitter this morning.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 1 April 2019 19:22 (three weeks ago) Permalink

It's time for McConnell's organic composition to stop obstructing the will of the Grim Reaper.

A man of surgery, to remove the metal pellets from my flesh (Old Lunch), Monday, 1 April 2019 19:30 (three weeks ago) Permalink

@ Alfred

Tucker Carlson: “Chris Hayes is what every man would be” if feminists had absolute power https://t.co/62lOieLxIw

— The Daily Beast (@thedailybeast) April 2, 2019

Simon H., Tuesday, 2 April 2019 03:44 (two weeks ago) Permalink

FOX News hosts have started creating commentary using MadLibs? I guess this has been coming for a long time - and now here it is at last.

A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 03:56 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I guess that was a joke, but why should we care about anything Tucker Carlson has to say, fuck him

Dan S, Tuesday, 2 April 2019 04:05 (two weeks ago) Permalink

ah yes hyper-masculine he-man... Tucker Carlson

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 04:23 (two weeks ago) Permalink

We shouldn't, but he is an effective propagandist with a huge platform. He should be used

anvil, Tuesday, 2 April 2019 04:24 (two weeks ago) Permalink

...as a rug.

a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 04:39 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Tucker Carlson is what every man would be if ...

Fungus could talk?
They were grown in vats?
All children were hated by their mothers?

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 04:55 (two weeks ago) Permalink

His face is a diaper rash

Buttigieg comes right from the source (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 05:17 (two weeks ago) Permalink

in a decent society mcconnell would be put up against a wall and [redacted]

affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 05:22 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I guess that was a joke, but why should we care about anything Tucker Carlson has to say, fuck him

its not

frogbs, Tuesday, 2 April 2019 13:12 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Well, it is but only inasmuch as it was an agglomeration of words that came out of the face hole of Tucker Carlson.

Piecing together a lost culture from an unearthed Joshua Kadison CD (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 13:15 (two weeks ago) Permalink

He's not even trying anymore.

Yerac, Tuesday, 2 April 2019 13:19 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I know he claims to have given up drinking more than a decade ago, but nothing he says nor his choice of face lotions suggests he doesn't pour a fifth of bourbon in his coffee every hour.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 13:24 (two weeks ago) Permalink

In that rant, absolute feminism leads to needing eyeglasses?

Yerac, Tuesday, 2 April 2019 13:25 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Low-T is worse than a carotene deficiency wrt man vision.

Piecing together a lost culture from an unearthed Joshua Kadison CD (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 13:29 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I just had to review Tuck Carlson's history. His mother ran off to France when he was 6 to be free. This all makes sense now. At least he's not a serial killer. Probably because his daddy remarried rich.

Yerac, Tuesday, 2 April 2019 13:29 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Women who don't actively want children, should not have children and should be free to make that decision. Otherwise, you get Tucker Carlsons and serial killers.

Yerac, Tuesday, 2 April 2019 13:32 (two weeks ago) Permalink

But you repeat yourself.

Plinka Trinka Banga Tink (Eliza D.), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 13:36 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I don't think we can say with 100% certainty that there isn't some overlap between those two categories.

xpost ha

Piecing together a lost culture from an unearthed Joshua Kadison CD (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 13:36 (two weeks ago) Permalink

"Their mother, Lisa McNear Carlson, left the family when he was six. “Totally bizarre situation—which I never talk about, because it was actually not really part of my life at all,” Carlson told The New Yorker in 2017.""

Sure, Tuck.

Yerac, Tuesday, 2 April 2019 13:39 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Tucker's mom otm

Buttigieg comes right from the source (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 14:02 (two weeks ago) Permalink

tucker’s not crying, YOU’RE crying

mr greta t. gremlin (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 14:09 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Twitter has apparently alerted me to Chris Hayes' considerable MSNBC-watching mom lust.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 14:18 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I’m ok with everyone being Chris Hayes. pic.twitter.com/kLCeHy5FqG

— chalin (@chalin) April 2, 2019

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 14:19 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I like Chris Hayes. I've never seen his show, but I enjoy his podcast and Twitter presence.

jaymc, Tuesday, 2 April 2019 14:54 (two weeks ago) Permalink

twitter presence by Chris Hayes is my favorite cologne

We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 15:00 (two weeks ago) Permalink

yea Chris Hayes is very good, probably the only nightly news show I'd actually watch

frogbs, Tuesday, 2 April 2019 15:04 (two weeks ago) Permalink

even the dirtbag left seems to like him.

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 15:09 (two weeks ago) Permalink

he looks like he smells nice

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 15:11 (two weeks ago) Permalink

on a more serious note, he was the only person with a national TV platform to devote a segment to Puerto Rico last night

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 15:12 (two weeks ago) Permalink

“We’re letting people have a week to say, ‘Investigate the investigators!’ Take the victory lap, everyone agrees. Spike the football,” the first senior White House official said. “But then we need to put this behind us. Let’s not relive this. Let’s not drag Andrew McCabe in front of a panel or something that goes on forever.” The senior official said this view was widely held inside the White House.

For this to be successful, the president — who is, after all, still reliving the events of the 2016 Republican primary and general election, a tale more than three years old at this point — would need to seal himself off in a cocoon and emerge another man.

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/04/trump-aides-fear-he-is-overselling-his-exoneration.html

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 18:49 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Trump just said "my father is German, was German. Born in a very wonderful place in Germany." Fred Trump was born in New York. pic.twitter.com/U6eWYPzjrJ

— Tommy MMXIXtopher (@tommyxtopher) April 2, 2019

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 19:31 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I mean, this guy spearheaded the Birther movement... just amazing.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 19:35 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Trump accidentally revealing that he's the illegitimate son of an actual, historical Nazi afaict

Piecing together a lost culture from an unearthed Joshua Kadison CD (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 19:37 (two weeks ago) Permalink

he'll just say that he meant to say grandfather, which is true, if he even bothers to say anything about it at all

gbx, Tuesday, 2 April 2019 19:51 (two weeks ago) Permalink

He never misspeaks though.

LEOPLOD BLOOMPS (Leee), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 19:53 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Something fishy about this trump guy

Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 2 April 2019 19:57 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Trumpito muttering "oranges" every time he's trying to say "origins" just makes me a little more hopeful his Vito Corleone end is nigh.

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 20:05 (two weeks ago) Permalink

lol

Dan S, Tuesday, 2 April 2019 20:06 (two weeks ago) Permalink

president liz <33333

be the 2 chainz you want 2 see in the world (m bison), Friday, 19 April 2019 20:24 (three days ago) Permalink

booming post girl!

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 19 April 2019 20:40 (three days ago) Permalink

Disappointed that the Mueller Report has not confirmed my hypothesis that Trump appears in public wearing an overcoat so often because he's gotten too fat to fit into a lot of his suit jackets

— The Discourse Lover (@Trillburne) April 19, 2019

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 19 April 2019 21:03 (three days ago) Permalink

the kind of cowed, insecure, oh-no-how-will-it-look posture that typifies Dem leadership was exemplified by Obama pulling punches on original Russia intel. It backfired because OF COURSE IT DID.

Like, what kind of narrative do they continue to imagine will fill the void every time they fail to assert their own?

But no reason to expect anything different w/r/t impeachment

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 19 April 2019 21:51 (three days ago) Permalink

Go Liz!

Hopefully this will pull some other candidates along

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 19 April 2019 21:52 (three days ago) Permalink

joseph fucking smith what a dip

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Friday, 19 April 2019 22:32 (three days ago) Permalink

it’s better than nothing

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 19 April 2019 22:36 (three days ago) Permalink

That's great of Romney but what's he going to do about it? Primary Trump, or leave the GOP, or support impeachment...do something other than complain.

akm, Friday, 19 April 2019 22:37 (three days ago) Permalink

the answer as always is sweet fuck-all

Simon H., Friday, 19 April 2019 22:41 (three days ago) Permalink

-Bob Dylan

Got your butt drank (Neanderthal), Friday, 19 April 2019 22:45 (three days ago) Permalink

If he wags his finger sternly enough I'm sure Trump will feel duly chastened.

Joan Lunden just stole your laptop and I didn't even try to stop her (Old Lunch), Friday, 19 April 2019 23:26 (three days ago) Permalink

i'm finally getting a chance to read the mueller report. decided to skip straight to vol 2, and i'm only about 20 pages in. i don't know how anyone could read this and not think he's guilty as hell, but no one's going to actually read it. i keep thinking of the mom in the 6th sense when everyone figures out she's been poisoning her own kid and they stare at her in horror. but in the world we live in, the proof is in a report instead of a VHS, and no one's going to read it

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Saturday, 20 April 2019 00:47 (two days ago) Permalink

I skimmed it a bit and it doesn't really offer anything super new as far as I can tell? All the links between his people and Russians with links to the Russian gov have been reported on. Obviously all written down in one big report it looks v damning but there's also no proof of any crime by trump - which will be the take away for his fans.

findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Saturday, 20 April 2019 00:55 (two days ago) Permalink

How keystone cops his people are is v funny. Papadopolous telling a foreign diplomat that the trump campaign had been told by the Russians that they had dirt on Clinton and that person then going to the fbi 😂

findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Saturday, 20 April 2019 00:57 (two days ago) Permalink

but there's also no proof of any crime by trump

this isn't true, though. there's plenty of it (read the executive summary of vol 2). the key is that approach, by design, could NOT find that the president had committed crimes. just check out these bits from the intro, where they "describe the considerations that guided our obstruction-of-justice investigation":

https://i.imgur.com/QunL3us.png

https://i.imgur.com/62l8JnG.png

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Saturday, 20 April 2019 01:03 (two days ago) Permalink

Mueller: "we determined not to apply an approach that could potentially result in a judgment that the President committed crimes."

world: "mueller did not find that the President committed crimes!"

https://i.imgur.com/pBcY7eN.png

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Saturday, 20 April 2019 01:06 (two days ago) Permalink

Oh yeah wrt obstruction sure.but we also knew that right? E.g. reports of him asking if he could fire Mueller etc.

findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Saturday, 20 April 2019 01:08 (two days ago) Permalink

These were all things previously spun as "fake news" and usually from anonymous sources and are now confirmed as legit.

The "i'm fucked" thing was new

Got your butt drank (Neanderthal), Saturday, 20 April 2019 01:09 (two days ago) Permalink

Plus it sounded more like telling - not asking - ppl to fire him and they just didn’t

Heez, Saturday, 20 April 2019 01:11 (two days ago) Permalink

Xp. Yes and now they're spun as "Mueller report did not find proof of criminal activity" and the status quo remains.the only hope that it'll have any effect is the other investigations that are ongoing

findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Saturday, 20 April 2019 01:11 (two days ago) Permalink

It's basically the Saturday Night Massacre if Robert Bork had said "fuck you, Dick!"

Xpost right wing media and talking heads were going to say that even if the report was a snuff film. The reaction by idiots to the report shouldn't be the rubric the report is judged by.

Also it's not that he found no proof, it's that he found insufficient proof and he started with the assumption that you can't indict a sitting President and worked backwards from there

Got your butt drank (Neanderthal), Saturday, 20 April 2019 01:14 (two days ago) Permalink

I mean when the Barr summary was all we had, Trump and co never left message that he was exonerated and he even offered kind words to Mueller.

That he's now resumed throwing a shitfit over the report means he's reacting because even an idiot like him can smell that the narrative is shifting.

Got your butt drank (Neanderthal), Saturday, 20 April 2019 01:16 (two days ago) Permalink

oh my god Romney

"I'm sickened by the President's dishonesty and willingness to sell out his country. Thank God he got away with it."

frogbs, Saturday, 20 April 2019 01:37 (two days ago) Permalink

Although folks seem to like waving it to the crowds like a letter guaranteeing Peace In Our Time, it's pretty obvious that the "I'm fucked" quote refers to the fact that he expects the investigation to completely hamstring his agenda as President, rather than being a tacit admission of guilt. Hard to imagine 2-scoops expecting he would have to suffer consequences for his actions under any circumstances.

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Saturday, 20 April 2019 02:44 (two days ago) Permalink

does trump have an "agenda as president"?

not being flip, I just don't know what that would be. His agenda seems limited to agitating and inflaming his base in order to play the hero and enrich himself.

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Saturday, 20 April 2019 03:08 (two days ago) Permalink

And by 'agenda' I assume you mean 'sitting around in his underwear and screaming at the tv for 2/3 of any given day'. Which, thankfully, proved to he relatively unhampered by the investigation.

Joan Lunden just stole your laptop and I didn't even try to stop her (Old Lunch), Saturday, 20 April 2019 03:16 (two days ago) Permalink

He’s happily carrying out McConnell and the Federalist Society agenda of putting young rightwing extremists on the Federal courts, and he’s doing his best to make $ for himself and fellow rich people, and to ease regulation on his corporate buddies.

curmudgeon, Saturday, 20 April 2019 04:09 (two days ago) Permalink

“what can my cuntery do for me?”

estela, Saturday, 20 April 2019 04:36 (two days ago) Permalink

<3

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 20 April 2019 04:49 (two days ago) Permalink

His agenda is personal enrichment.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Saturday, 20 April 2019 05:21 (two days ago) Permalink

Lol estela

Vinnie, Saturday, 20 April 2019 07:44 (two days ago) Permalink

Is Rosenstein firmly committed to being on the wrong side fo history? I thought he was teh protector of this report being researched for the last 2 years so why is he palling with the people trying to suppress it.

Stevolende, Saturday, 20 April 2019 09:16 (two days ago) Permalink

I dunno! You could ask him and let us know - 📞 +1 (202) 514-2000

blokes you can't rust (sic), Saturday, 20 April 2019 10:46 (two days ago) Permalink

oh really more self congratulatory wank, no wonder i tend to ignore you

Stevolende, Saturday, 20 April 2019 10:50 (two days ago) Permalink

i know it's pointless to mention this, but seriously, anyone who says the mueller report indicates that the president did not obstruct justice did not read the report. it is impossible to read the report, or read the conclusions of someone who faithfully read the report, and come to that conclusion. the report's section on obstruction (vol 2, literally half of the report) shows over and over and over again exactly how he obstructed justice.

it is driving me nuts. it isn't just the predictable rightwing reaction ("total exoneration", head in the sand/fingers in the ears). relatively well-meaning people are also getting this, frankly, COMPLETELY WRONG.

the most commonly held view on all of this (afaict) is something like "they came up with some evidence on obstruction of justice but it wasn't enough to come to a clear conclusion." that is the shorthand, NPR-style 15-second update on the matter, and also one that i see and hear dejected trump-haters spouting as well. again - that is COMPLETELY WRONG. if you hear or watch people presenting that view - they did not repeat the report. it is not a matter of interpretation or bias. it is just wrong. please, if you hold that view, take a solid 45 minutes out of your day and read the introduction to Vol 2, and skim through the factual section.

the 2+2=5 is very very strong in the world today, it is bewildering

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Saturday, 20 April 2019 16:50 (two days ago) Permalink

The accurate summary is "they came up with all kinds of evidence of obstruction of justice, but since a sitting president can't be indicted, they decided not to make a flat 'he obstructed justice' statement, instead choosing to leave it in the hands of a feckless, cowardly, and hopelessly partisan Congress and hope for the best."

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Saturday, 20 April 2019 16:53 (two days ago) Permalink

It's go back up 3% if he's able to hold his farts for a week.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 20 April 2019 17:34 (two days ago) Permalink

In the absence of either Roger Stone or Assange becoming cooperative witnesses, I accept that Mueller was unable to prove criminal conspiracy between the Trump campaign and the DNC hackers and their Russian backers. Too bad. The evidence of obstruction of justice has been both obvious and voluminous since roughly forever, but I never thought either this or the last Congress would remove him from office based on that charge.

I still think that investigators - federal or congressional - need to get deep into exposing his financial crimes before the tide would turn on Trump and he'd lose a good chunk of his own party. Barring some big breaks in that wall, there's probably not enough time before the election to successfully remove Trump.

The better course would be to defeat Trump's narrative of innocence and exoneration, and replace it with a narrative of culpability, venality, lying and incompetence, especially if the House Judiciary committee can get its hands on the evidence that Mueller used to spawn 14 ancillary criminal investigations and open out the conversation from just the Mueller Report and Russia.

A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 20 April 2019 18:38 (two days ago) Permalink

adding to that last thought, the Republicans benghazied Hillary fore and aft without ever having to risk a move as fraught with dangers as impeachment, so you know that pounding away at a narrative through congressional investigations can undermine public confidence pretty thoroughly, even when there's not much evidence to work with.

A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 20 April 2019 18:49 (two days ago) Permalink

what a shame that this innocent man is surrounded by all these criminals

StanM, Saturday, 20 April 2019 19:04 (two days ago) Permalink

https://i.imgur.com/i7VnNcK.png

your messageboard argument prompt for easter sunday

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Sunday, 21 April 2019 14:38 (yesterday) Permalink

this HOM in the Glossary is Hannity, right?

https://i.imgur.com/uPOsTfx.jpg

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Sunday, 21 April 2019 22:30 (yesterday) Permalink

hahaha

can i share that picture on FB?

buttigieg play the blues (crüt), Sunday, 21 April 2019 23:06 (yesterday) Permalink

Sure but I’m going to feel silly if it turns out to be Jim Harbaugh

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Sunday, 21 April 2019 23:15 (yesterday) Permalink

it could be someone whose name is literally "Harm to Ongoing Matter"

buttigieg play the blues (crüt), Sunday, 21 April 2019 23:18 (yesterday) Permalink

looooool

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Sunday, 21 April 2019 23:24 (yesterday) Permalink

Katherine pointed that out right after the report was released. I thought at first there was something to the fact that HARM fits right there too until she pointed out the same acronym exactly where Kavanaugh would go

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Monday, 22 April 2019 01:00 (two hours ago) Permalink


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