What Do You MENA (Middle East, North Africa and other nearby Political Hotspots) 2019

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Time for a 2019 thread. Will see what kind of year it will be in Yemen, Syria, and elsewhere.

curmudgeon, Saturday, 26 January 2019 05:11 (eight months ago) link

MENA, MENA, Tekel, Parsin (Middle East, North Africa & other Geopolitical Hotspots) 2018

Last year's thread

curmudgeon, Saturday, 26 January 2019 05:12 (eight months ago) link

More sizable than the number of Iranian fighters, however, is the contingent of foreign fighters Iran is training and equipping in Syria. In addition to Hezbollah and Syrian forces loyal to Assad, Tehran is backing Shi’a militias comprised of Afghan and Pakistani fighters. Tabatabai says estimates for the number of Afghans killed in Syria runs into the tens of thousands.

http://time.com/5513411/israel-iran-secret-war-syria/

curmudgeon, Saturday, 26 January 2019 13:59 (eight months ago) link

one month passes...

holy shit it's on

Netanyahu to stand trial for bribery, fraud and breach of trust, pending hearing

Mordy, Thursday, 28 February 2019 16:38 (seven months ago) link

AG’s decision is legal bombshell ahead of April 9 elections, marks first time in Israel’s history that serving PM is told he faces criminal charges; premier to speak at 8 p.m.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-to-stand-trial-for-bribery-and-breach-of-trust-pending-hearing/

Mordy, Thursday, 28 February 2019 16:38 (seven months ago) link

whoa

sold out in presale (sleeve), Thursday, 28 February 2019 16:39 (seven months ago) link

what a gift for benny gantz

Mordy, Thursday, 28 February 2019 16:40 (seven months ago) link

i'd like to read this new matti friedman book

Mordy, Thursday, 7 March 2019 22:48 (seven months ago) link

sounds v interesting

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 7 March 2019 22:52 (seven months ago) link

Looks like the mass protests paid off in Algeria. Bouteflika aka 'the frame' just announced that he won't be running again. Good riddance, although ridding the country of his clique of regents won't be easy.

pomenitul, Monday, 11 March 2019 17:59 (seven months ago) link

BREAKING: Explosions heard in Tel Aviv minutes after sirens

— Barak Ravid (@BarakRavid) March 14, 2019

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 14 March 2019 19:15 (seven months ago) link

Haaretz:Two launches from northern Gaza, no casualties or damage.

Dunning-Kruger Overdrive (Sanpaku), Thursday, 14 March 2019 19:46 (seven months ago) link

Protests against Hamas in Gaza, apparently there's a big effort to crack down on any reporting or filming and there's not been all that much coverage, but there's this in the NYT: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/24/world/middleeast/gaza-protests-hamas.html

And some footage in this twitter thread

Thread. I’d like to talk about Gaza, where the people have been rising up against Hamas – and been brutally suppressed, including with live fire. Hamas has been suppressing the media and nobody has been talking about it. pic.twitter.com/LyQzjhkUfm

— Jake Wallis Simons (@JakeWSimons) March 23, 2019

ogmor, Monday, 25 March 2019 09:28 (six months ago) link

bloody hopeless situation for the people in gaza

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Monday, 25 March 2019 17:08 (six months ago) link

It's either the Israeli blockade/snipers, or Hamas, or the seawater and polluted runoff that's displacing their aquifer water supply. Egypt and Jordan don't care much, except insofar as Palestinian hardship can be used in regime propaganda, even Fatah in the West bank is happier to be rid of them. Sooner or later there's going to be a cholera or other infectious outbreak that cuts down the crowding significantly, and everyone will just point fingers.

with Chew Guard™ technology (Sanpaku), Monday, 25 March 2019 17:55 (six months ago) link

Terrible

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 26 March 2019 13:39 (six months ago) link

things are looking good for bibi on election day with opposition worried that low-turnout augurs poorly for their chances.

findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 9 April 2019 16:27 (six months ago) link

exit polls showing historically low turnout for arab voters which will help bibi too

Mordy, Tuesday, 9 April 2019 16:33 (six months ago) link

just look at all the success arab voters have had in the past in changing Israeli policy through the ballot box

A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 9 April 2019 17:06 (six months ago) link

Exit poll says Gantz 39 seats, Bibi 35. (one needs to collect 61 seats to form a coalition, but this is bad news for Likud if true)

Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 9 April 2019 19:10 (six months ago) link

times of israel:

Channel 13’s exit poll has Blue and White and Likud tied with 36 seats each.

The right-wing bloc leads, with 66 seats, making Netanyahu better positioned to form a government, compared to 54 seats for the center-left.

findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 9 April 2019 19:17 (six months ago) link

wait + see - exit polls are not reliable, lots of conflicting ones atm

Mordy, Tuesday, 9 April 2019 19:21 (six months ago) link

Netanyahu's still going to be Prime Minister though, right?

Do you like 70s hard rock with a guitar hero? (Tom D.), Tuesday, 9 April 2019 20:06 (six months ago) link

probably -- even if gantz gets more seats bibi has an easier road towards making a coalition but we'll see

Mordy, Tuesday, 9 April 2019 20:07 (six months ago) link

lots of ppl now saying likud is gonna win most seats bibi pm again

Mordy, Tuesday, 9 April 2019 23:31 (six months ago) link

if true, this does not say good things about Israeli politics.

A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 02:53 (six months ago) link

Bit much to expect Israel to buck the worldwide trend for far right racist nationalism.

Do you like 70s hard rock with a guitar hero? (Tom D.), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 06:56 (six months ago) link

especially because they were so far ahead of the curve in that respect

Jeff Bathos (symsymsym), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 06:57 (six months ago) link

Oh dear, the Israeli labor party are looking completely knackered.

calzino, Wednesday, 10 April 2019 07:03 (six months ago) link

xp otm, was thinking of the Ben Judah article “Bibi was Right” when I read your comment.

gyac, Wednesday, 10 April 2019 07:07 (six months ago) link

Bashir steps down in Sudan after years in power. “Transitional” military council running the country for next 2 years. There have been 4 months of protest. Bashir could face charges in the Hague for actions taken in Darfur if he leaves the country .

curmudgeon, Thursday, 11 April 2019 14:41 (six months ago) link

Although this is not the first time Mr. Trump has praised an Arab strongman, his expression of support for Mr. Hifter appears to be the first time that Mr. Trump has embraced an aspiring authoritarian who is not yet in power and may never get there.

A former general under Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi and also a former C.I.A. client, Mr. Hifter had been living in exile in the United States but returned to Libya during the Arab Spring uprisings in 2011. He first declared his intention to seize power in 2014, when Libya’s nascent transitional government was struggling to establish its authority over freewheeling militias around the country —from NY Times

curmudgeon, Saturday, 20 April 2019 04:18 (five months ago) link

Something about this HIfter fellow Trump really lkes, also

Muffolini
Pol Pof
Idi Amif
Josel Stafin

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Saturday, 20 April 2019 04:34 (five months ago) link

haha yes, I was going to say it was probably just a typo by Trump

Screamin' Jay Gould (The Yellow Kid), Saturday, 20 April 2019 23:20 (five months ago) link

would like "Moffe growing vpon the skull of a man" but 77

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 24 April 2019 16:36 (five months ago) link

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2019/04/saudi-arabia-37-put-to-death-in-shocking-execution-spree/

among those executed is Abdulkareem al-Hawaj – a young Shi’a man who was arrested at the age of 16 and convicted of offences related to his involvement in anti-government protests. Under international law, the use of the death penalty against people who were under the age of 18 at the time of the crime is strictly prohibited.

https://www.freep.com/story/news/education/2019/04/23/saudi-arabia-beheadings-executions-mujtaba-al-sweikat/3552679002/

A Saudi Arabian man who was arrested as a teenager as he was getting ready to fly to America to begin his studies at Western Michigan University was beheaded by the government Tuesday, according to a report from an official press agency.

Mujtaba al-Sweikat was 17 when he was detained at King Fahd International Airport in 2012. Earlier that year, Al-Sweikat allegedly attended a pro-democracy rally in the midst of the Arab Spring, which led to his arrest. He was intending to visit Western Michigan, where he had been accepted as a student, the university confirmed to the Free Press in 2017.

curmudgeon, Thursday, 25 April 2019 04:34 (five months ago) link

jesus christ

Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 25 April 2019 11:26 (five months ago) link

Kingdom of nightmares.

pomenitul, Thursday, 25 April 2019 11:42 (five months ago) link

one month passes...

Are we really not gonna talk about the massive political clusterfuck unfolding in Israel right now? Not at all clear Netanyahu can form a government and he's (quite possibly successfully) inducing the Knesset to dissolve itself 6 weeks after it was elected in order to keep anyone but Bibi from having a chance to form a coalition. Meanwhile, Likud is merging with Kulanu against its own constitutional rules. And this may all end with Netanyahu caving to his chief adversaries in the farther-right-than-Netanyahu wing.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 28 May 2019 17:22 (four months ago) link

Or is Bibi just using the threat of dissolution to get Liberman to cave to the ultra-Orthodox and in the end there'll be a last-minute coalition deal? Who in this mess wants a new election?

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 13:48 (four months ago) link

Meanwhile, Sara Netanyahu pled guilty to corruption charges today and will reimburse the government $15,000. With three hours to go Netanhayu is still stuck one short of a majority. Reports are that he reached out to his bitter enemies in Labor and was rejected. I don't really understand what the deal is with the dissolution of the Knesset, when the deadline for that is. Netanyahu could still easily walk out of this with something he can call a win, as he so often does.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 18:34 (four months ago) link

if the knesset is dissolved there's another election

findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 18:37 (four months ago) link

3 options are: bibi is able to form government, bibi is able to pass bill to dissolve knesset and new election happens, bibi doesn't form government and knesset isn't dissolved, president rivlin will ask another member of the knesset to try and form a government

findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 18:42 (four months ago) link

I guess what I'm wondering is does Rivlin immediately ask another MK to form a government two hours from now, or does the Knesset still have time to dissolve even if Netanyahu misses his deadline?

Latest report is that Knesset will vote on dissolution in about an hour and a half so I guess the answer is, Knesset has to break up now if it's going to keep a non-Bibi from getting a shot.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 19:15 (four months ago) link

My wife has been working in Afghanistan specifically to empower the women over there - made some good friends - so I’m really hoping we don’t walk away without some path forward for them

Heez, Tuesday, 3 September 2019 11:00 (one month ago) link

Lots of newly independent nations in the 50s and 60s only could become "nations" thanks to transport/communications infrastructure and governmental frameworks left by colonial powers. Not saying colonialism was moral or justified, just that the colonial inheritance made states larger than small provinces governable. The historical anomaly becomes just how ineffectual externally driven state building exercises have been in the post-colonial era.

hedonic treadmill class action (Sanpaku), Tuesday, 3 September 2019 17:44 (one month ago) link

the colonial inheritance made states larger than small provinces governable.

If, by "governable" you indicate only that a central government can largely extend its effective monopoly of force within its own borders, then I agree. But almost every sizeable ex-colonial "nation" has no organically developed national identity and has many large groups of "citizens" who are disaffected, disenfranchised and held down though brutal military and police power. Such "governance" is really not much different from or better than the Taliban.

A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 3 September 2019 18:17 (one month ago) link

it feels like you're overlooking the way the national boundaries were deliberately structured to cross/disrupt tribal boundaries and enhance existing divisions. kind of made the whole exercise a moot point.

sleeve, Tuesday, 3 September 2019 20:04 (one month ago) link

granted, that was more pronounced in Africa, but this is the MENA thread

sleeve, Tuesday, 3 September 2019 20:05 (one month ago) link

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/09/03/middleeast/yemen-war-crimes-un-panel-intl/index.html

UN panel says UK, France, US & Iran may be complicit in war crimes in Yemen

ogmor, Tuesday, 3 September 2019 21:34 (one month ago) link

every sizeable ex-colonial "nation" has no organically developed national identity and has many large groups of "citizens" who are disaffected, disenfranchised and held down

Pretty much the experience of Western Europe, for 2 to 6 centuries prior to national unification. We shouldn't be surprised if humans in the developing world behave much like humans in developing Europe. Nations require a lot of suppression of competing feudal and tribal interests.

hedonic treadmill class action (Sanpaku), Tuesday, 3 September 2019 22:41 (one month ago) link

XP sleeve: Personally, I wouldn't have managed independence as the Europeans did. I would have defined the smallest feasible voting districts with respect to natural geographic borders, called for elections to transition governments, and then partition based on the electoral results, so each ethnic/religious/political minority that had any local majorities would have its own state. The Balkan model. There would be a natural Fulani nation stretching from Mali to Sudan. The Pakistan/India border would be a mess, but so were the demographics.

This is totally relevant to the current situation in MENA, particularly in Iraq, Syria and Palestine. The post-colonial nations don't reflect underlying demographics, and they've suffered as a result.

Above, I'm just saying the success of post-colonial states in independence has had a lot to do with how well colonial nations provided infrastructure and transfered models of governance. I don't think its a coincidence that some of the modern nations with the poorest outcomes had the misfortune of being ruled by competing European powers in succession, or by fascist Italy.

hedonic treadmill class action (Sanpaku), Tuesday, 3 September 2019 22:58 (one month ago) link

Pretty much the experience of Western Europe, for 2 to 6 centuries prior to national unification.

True up to a point, but in Europe national entities evolved and amalgamated purely based upon local European interests, through shifting alliances, local conquests, assimilation and integration, or violent rejection and expulsion. It was an organic, self-generating process. Europe did this to itself.

The ex-colonial nations had their present borders imposed purely by external western interests and those western interests still exert pressure upon them to maintain those borders and to conform their policies to western needs and desires. Thus, we are heavily implicated in the brutality and violent repressions exercised there.

A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 00:59 (one month ago) link

This is extraordinary even by the US’ standards:

Having failed at piracy, the US resorts to outright blackmail—deliver us Iran’s oil and receive several million dollars or be sanctioned yourself.

Sounds very similar to the Oval Office invitation I received a few weeks back.

It is becoming a pattern.#BTeamGangsters pic.twitter.com/B1oQTLghWZ

— Javad Zarif (@JZarif) September 4, 2019

Having failed in the attempt to get the EU to apply sanctions they’re not party to wrt Iranian oil tankers, captains are apparently being offered bribes to pilot ships into jurisdictions that will.

ShariVari, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 16:50 (one month ago) link

^ Those tactics would only be justified between nations actively at war. Basically, they are acts of war.

A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 17:07 (one month ago) link

70% of Iranian oil goes to China, Japan, India, S.Korea, and Turkey. I wonder which nation(s) on the Hormuz/S. China route are so beholden to US/Saudi Arabia they'd play along. Maybe Indonesia?

hedonic treadmill class action (Sanpaku), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 20:48 (one month ago) link

Worth keeping an eye on Abqaiq, largest oil processing plant in the world, responsible for 6.8 Mbpd of production, and attacked in 2008 by Al Qaeda.

Multiple fires (now under control), reports of gunfire. If I wanted to undermine the Saudi state (from within or without), this facility would be my target.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP3OTW9K-y0

hedonic treadmill class action (Sanpaku), Saturday, 14 September 2019 05:23 (one month ago) link

Houthi drone use is interesting. Low tech having decent enough results.

Seany's too Dyche to mention (jim in vancouver), Saturday, 14 September 2019 08:27 (one month ago) link

Worrying prospects obviously in many respects, while SA deserve everything sent at them imo

Seany's too Dyche to mention (jim in vancouver), Saturday, 14 September 2019 08:28 (one month ago) link

BBC

The Houthi spokesman, Yahya Sarea, told al-Masirah TV, which is owned by the Houthi movement and is based in Beirut, that further attacks could be expected in the future.

He said Saturday's attack was one of the biggest operations the Houthi forces had undertaken inside Saudi Arabia and was carried out in "co-operation with the honourable people inside the kingdom".

Houthi collaborating with the Sh'ia of Qatif. Driving cargo trucks with Qasef-1 (or better) drones to within 150 km (and probably a lot less) of Abqaiq.

Saudi Arabia is going to finish demolishing Al-Awamiyah with artillery. And if you thought it was a police state before...

I'll be keeping my tanks topped off.

hedonic treadmill class action (Sanpaku), Saturday, 14 September 2019 17:43 (one month ago) link

Who didn't think Saudi Arabia was a police state?

Frederik B, Saturday, 14 September 2019 19:50 (one month ago) link

He is not implying that anyone didn't think that.

Seany's too Dyche to mention (jim in vancouver), Saturday, 14 September 2019 19:52 (one month ago) link

No streetview on Buqaiq/Abqaiq, but the video appears to come from the rooftop of the Hardee's on the west side of King Abdulaziz Rd from the compound. It's remarkable looking at satelite maps how easy it would be to target the critical elements like the ones around 25°55'54.8 N 49°40'43.3 E.

hedonic treadmill class action (Sanpaku), Saturday, 14 September 2019 20:44 (one month ago) link

two weeks pass...

Erdogan has vowed to create a buffer zone inside Syria by pushing back Kurdish militants and settling Syrian refugees in the country’s north. Turkey suspects that the U.S. is backing Kurdish aspirations for self-rule in Syria and is prepared to use military force to prevent what it perceives as an attempt to redraw the region’s map.

curmudgeon, Sunday, 6 October 2019 05:02 (one week ago) link

Erdogan has vowed to create a buffer zone inside Syria by pushing back Kurdish militants and settling Syrian refugees in the country’s north. Turkey suspects that the U.S. is backing Kurdish aspirations for self-rule in Syria and is prepared to use military force to prevent what it perceives as an attempt to redraw the region’s map.

curmudgeon, Sunday, 6 October 2019 05:03 (one week ago) link

Erdogan has vowed to create a buffer zone inside Syria by pushing back Kurdish militants and settling Syrian refugees in the country’s north. Turkey suspects that the U.S. is backing Kurdish aspirations for self-rule in Syria and is prepared to use military force to prevent what it perceives as an attempt to redraw the region’s map.

curmudgeon, Sunday, 6 October 2019 05:03 (one week ago) link

oops

curmudgeon, Sunday, 6 October 2019 15:29 (one week ago) link

The old Kurdish proverb comes to mind again: 'No friends but the mountains'. This time it's Trump's turn to fuck up the Kurds once again. Never mind they did the dirty work in defeating IS. This is giving nothing less than giving complete carte blanche to one of the worst dictators around, Erdogan, to kill thousands of Kurds. Appalling.

Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 7 October 2019 10:18 (one week ago) link

:(

I don't know what to say, it's just tragic.

pomenitul, Monday, 7 October 2019 10:19 (one week ago) link

Tragic but predictable.

Let them eat Pfifferlinge an Schneckensauce (Tom D.), Monday, 7 October 2019 10:26 (one week ago) link

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_Towers_Istanbul

This must play a factor sadly

curmudgeon, Monday, 7 October 2019 10:53 (one week ago) link

disgusting

The Ravishing of ROFL Stein (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 7 October 2019 14:22 (one week ago) link

nothing to worry about folks bigly brain is on it

As I have stated strongly before, and just to reiterate, if Turkey does anything that I, in my great and unmatched wisdom, consider to be off limits, I will totally destroy and obliterate the Economy of Turkey (I’ve done before!). They must, with Europe and others, watch over...

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 7, 2019

(•̪●) (carne asada), Monday, 7 October 2019 15:42 (one week ago) link

man FUUUUUUCK this guy

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 7 October 2019 16:25 (one week ago) link

Yeah, that. Already dreaded the fucking monstrous Trump tweets popping up (not blaming you Carne tbh). It's a license to kill people and family and friends of mine and of people I know. Sick to the stomach.

Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 7 October 2019 17:23 (one week ago) link

When you lose heaven’s mandated...

Pat Robertson is "appalled" by Trump's decision to withdraw U.S. troops from northern Syria: "The President of the United States is in great danger of losing the mandate of Heaven if he permits this to happen." pic.twitter.com/YGeNYpbGrF

— Right Wing Watch (@RightWingWatch) October 7, 2019

(•̪●) (carne asada), Monday, 7 October 2019 17:37 (one week ago) link

these absolute fucking hobgoblins

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 7 October 2019 17:47 (one week ago) link

It is hard to imagine the kind of will and toughness that keeps the Kurds intact in the face of so many enemies and so many betrayals. Or the kind of psychological damage it does to maintain that will and toughness.

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 7 October 2019 17:52 (one week ago) link

I recognize that this is one of the few areas where there's a positive to troop prescence but this is surely something that should happen under the UN not the US (illegal anyway, not that that means anything)

I know, the UN is dead and long buried.

anvil, Tuesday, 8 October 2019 09:13 (one week ago) link

Turkish troops launch offensive into northern Syria

Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 9 October 2019 13:25 (six days ago) link

surprised this is the only place where discussion is taking place, although, like many people, i'm not sure what to say.

has Assad given any sort of statement?

It is my great honor to post on this messageboard! (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 9 October 2019 16:12 (six days ago) link

i don't think assad is too bothered about developments and it seems like erdogan has talked to putin about his plans etc. turkey allies with syrian national army opposition elements, which obviously isn't that chill for assad, but will also possibly push ypg into allying with the regime (they've nowhere else to turn).

Seany's too Dyche to mention (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 9 October 2019 16:33 (six days ago) link

Turkey is NATO, which obviously isn't that chill for putin. assad's spokesperson said Syria will defend its territorial integrity and demands the withdrawal of all foreign troops, which seems like a SOP kind of response for any nation.

A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 9 October 2019 16:42 (six days ago) link

erdogan and putin have a pretty good relationship and for a NATO country turkey is the most favorably oriented towards russia (even buying weapons from them).

Seany's too Dyche to mention (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 9 October 2019 16:44 (six days ago) link

An SDF commander has confirmed to me that the Ain Issa camp has fallen and all the detainees (a population of thousands that includes ISIS supporters, ISIS relatives and civilians) have fled. “An unbelievable mess,” the commander said. Latest message: pic.twitter.com/yDehTSKkux

— Rukmini Callimachi (@rcallimachi) October 13, 2019

Inherent Contempt (Sanpaku), Sunday, 13 October 2019 19:03 (two days ago) link

Assad appears to have struck a deal to send Syrian Army troops to support the YPG/SDF against the FSA / Turkish-backed factions, with Russia providing air cover.

ShariVari, Sunday, 13 October 2019 19:11 (two days ago) link

Self Administration of NE Syria announces an agreement with Syrian Government to protect Syrian borders with SDF against Turkey. It will also help liberating all areas from Turkey including Afrin pic.twitter.com/aatRDChDJN

— Mutlu Civiroglu (@mutludc) October 13, 2019

ShariVari, Sunday, 13 October 2019 19:14 (two days ago) link

In a single phone call, Trump essentially forced SDF to switch sides, eventually permitting a contiguous Iran-Iraq-Syria-Lebanon Shi'a crescent, the prevention of which was a principal reason for US intervention in Rojava. They cannot be happy with this outcome in Jerusalem and Riyadh.

Inherent Contempt (Sanpaku), Sunday, 13 October 2019 19:20 (two days ago) link

Netanyahu and Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman willingly yoked themselves to this idiot, thinking they could pull him wherever they wanted.

A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 13 October 2019 19:25 (two days ago) link

It’s worked in part for them though

curmudgeon, Sunday, 13 October 2019 20:09 (two days ago) link


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