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I think this is the Ford move that has infuriated me most yet: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/pc-government-tuition-fees-1.4981987?cmp=rss&fbclid=IwAR3P0OHq4xPbt91zSrIg7FYqKx16XQA1qGgiuihCPGnZM-KsTyuqcVrUtkM

At the same time that the PCs are cancelling a programme that would have made it possible for low-income students to attend university tuition-free, they are announcing an across-the-board 10% tuition cut, which might be good but afaict there is no plan to increase public funding for the universities.

Colleges and universities will be expected to absorb the loss in revenue, Fullerton said.

"They will make choices in terms of what they need to do," she said. "They will be able to determine what they need to do to change, to adapt and innovate."

Locked in silent monologue, in silent scream (Sund4r), Sunday, 20 January 2019 02:32 (three months ago) Permalink

"They will be able to determine what they need to do to change, to adapt and innovate."

i.e. make up the shortfall with international student tuition

jmm, Sunday, 20 January 2019 03:06 (three months ago) Permalink

I would give my life with a smile if I knew it would make Ford and his allies drop dead tomorrow tbh

resident hack (Simon H.), Sunday, 20 January 2019 03:08 (three months ago) Permalink

this has been a fun story on the way to the possible collapse of the federal ndp (if jagmeet loses this byelection)

Jeff Bathos (symsymsym), Sunday, 20 January 2019 03:15 (three months ago) Permalink

which tbh I'm basically actively rooting for at this point

resident hack (Simon H.), Sunday, 20 January 2019 03:19 (three months ago) Permalink

obviously the tactics being deployed by his opponent are horrible but the NDP need a blaring signal that they're on the wrong track ASAP

resident hack (Simon H.), Sunday, 20 January 2019 03:20 (three months ago) Permalink

Lol @ "merely a statement of fact".

She's officially out, now that Richard T. Lee is the Liberal candidate, right? Or is she still going to try to run as an independent?

Locked in silent monologue, in silent scream (Sund4r), Sunday, 20 January 2019 03:43 (three months ago) Permalink

her last tweet, a response to the controversy, was pretty egregious:

Every day I’m meeting more people on the doorstep from #BurnabySouth, having conversations with them and hearing their concerns 🗣 Want to be part of Team Karen and help me reach out to more Canadians in our community? Sign up here ➡️ https://t.co/cThQel1YtB pic.twitter.com/pyVRLPX37i

— Karen Wang (@karenxbwang) January 16, 2019

Jeff Bathos (symsymsym), Sunday, 20 January 2019 03:50 (three months ago) Permalink

she's threatened to run as an indy but I doubt she will...there's also a horrible anti-trans candidate running with the people's party and polling at like 9%. Not great

Jeff Bathos (symsymsym), Sunday, 20 January 2019 03:52 (three months ago) Permalink

i followed the burnaby story but I'm out of touch, what's the wrong track the federal ndp is on, generally?

XxxxxxxXxxxxxxxxXxxxx (dylannn), Sunday, 20 January 2019 04:00 (three months ago) Permalink

imo they're much too timid and unprincipled an opposition force in general. they need a total messaging and leadership overhaul a la UK Labour. and nothing less than a pledge to keep the oil in the fucking ground. It's political suicide in....some parts....of the country but it's the right thing to do.

resident hack (Simon H.), Sunday, 20 January 2019 04:20 (three months ago) Permalink

and in the long run I think sticking to key principles across the board would win them the respect and credibility they badly need

resident hack (Simon H.), Sunday, 20 January 2019 04:21 (three months ago) Permalink

yup

Jeff Bathos (symsymsym), Sunday, 20 January 2019 04:38 (three months ago) Permalink

I had high-ish hopes for jagmeet and he's been really poor at differentiating himself and the NDP from the government.

Jeff Bathos (symsymsym), Sunday, 20 January 2019 04:39 (three months ago) Permalink

yeah. I was disappointed it was basically a coronation, but I was willing to give him a chance. his leadership has been a complete faceplant. we don't need another handsome, amorphous figurehead a la Trudeau heading up the only (currently) viable left force in this country.

resident hack (Simon H.), Sunday, 20 January 2019 04:55 (three months ago) Permalink

thanks, buddy. the number of actual jobs in oil and gas at the moment + future prospects for the industry, you'd think they could afford to take a principled stand, maybe especially after ndp premiers in alberta and bc fumbled their wishy washy attempts at green policy while endorsing pipelines? is this leap manifesto actually good? https://leapmanifesto.org/ i see alanis morissette and arcade fire have both signed on, also judy rebick, naomi klein and the ndp socialist caucus.

i know i know end of the world looming but i'd support a federal ndp that sidelined environmental policy and advocated for aggressive tax reform, pharmacare and dental, canceling student debt, free education, childcare program, investing in social housing, card check, maybe withdraw from nato, even if some of that would be mostly just advocacy and handled by provincial governments (right?). i just mean, i'm skeptical of pushing for good environmental policy without or before setting up alternative economic/social policy. so, i have to hope jagmeet loses this byelection, right?

XxxxxxxXxxxxxxxxXxxxx (dylannn), Sunday, 20 January 2019 05:13 (three months ago) Permalink

i'm skeptical of pushing for good environmental policy without or before setting up alternative economic/social policy

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resident hack (Simon H.), Sunday, 20 January 2019 06:01 (three months ago) Permalink

building a green economy won't alleviate the inherent contradictions of neoliberal capitalism, though. but yes.

XxxxxxxXxxxxxxxxXxxxx (dylannn), Sunday, 20 January 2019 08:16 (three months ago) Permalink

that post seems to be trying to disagree with something you didn't say, i think.

i agree, why not both.

XxxxxxxXxxxxxxxxXxxxx (dylannn), Sunday, 20 January 2019 09:07 (three months ago) Permalink

Worth noting that Labour has been one of the two leading governing parties in the UK since WW2 and has actually led successful democratic socialist governments at the national level in the past (and have still yet to win an election under Corbyn). A little harder to feel confident in the NDP's federal prospects if they tacked harder left but, if the point is that they wouldn't do any worse than they're doing now and might at least push the Liberals more to the left, I could see that. I'm still up for giving Singh more of a chance but I agree that he hasn't been exceptionally impressive so far and I'm unconvinced by how he handled the Erin Weir situation.

Locked in silent monologue, in silent scream (Sund4r), Sunday, 20 January 2019 22:43 (three months ago) Permalink

I don't know if this exactly counts as politics but it does concern an investigation currently being handled by the OPP and reopened by the Chief Coroner and it is one gruesome story, about a 30yo man with serious mental health issues who died in prison for 'unascertained' reasons, according to the original coroner's report, with over 50 signs of 'blunt impact trauma'. A forensic pathologist says asphyxiation can't be ruled out. A fellow inmate says he watched four guards beat the man to death, after he had already been restrained. CBC's Fifth Estate has been investigating for a year and will broadcast a report in an hour and change, although reading this longform story seems pretty heavy in itself.

Locked in silent monologue, in silent scream (Sund4r), Monday, 21 January 2019 00:44 (three months ago) Permalink

i.e. make up the shortfall with international student tuition

Btw, I'm not sure most universities will be able to make up the whole shortfall this way. The reality will likely be more painful. I'm anticipating more closures of 'less practical' programs, increased casualization of the faculty workforce (which was beginning to change at the end of the Liberals' tenure), and cuts to student financial aid. This thread, by a U of T English prof and former dept head, seems like a p good start:

A quick thread: why a 10 percent cut to ON tuition fees is disastrous news.

— Holger Syme (@literasyme) January 16, 2019

Locked in silent monologue, in silent scream (Sund4r), Monday, 21 January 2019 00:55 (three months ago) Permalink

Are you still in town, Sund4r? Do you feel like sharing contact info? My ILX mail goes to a dead address, but I could mail yours.

I'm sure you're right about the additional funding repercussions. I'm wondering about my old department. A prof there commented on this as well: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-changes-to-ontario-tuition-are-unfair-and-short-sighted/

jmm, Monday, 21 January 2019 01:37 (three months ago) Permalink

I am. I think my ilx mail should work.

Locked in silent monologue, in silent scream (Sund4r), Monday, 21 January 2019 01:38 (three months ago) Permalink

Ending the six-month post-graduation grace period before students need to pay back loans just seems mean for the sake of it tbh.

Locked in silent monologue, in silent scream (Sund4r), Monday, 21 January 2019 01:40 (three months ago) Permalink

Could you post here if you're messaging my ilx mail bc I don't check that email as often?

Locked in silent monologue, in silent scream (Sund4r), Monday, 21 January 2019 01:44 (three months ago) Permalink

Just sent!

jmm, Monday, 21 January 2019 03:06 (three months ago) Permalink

NDP (correctly imo) opposes Trudeau/Liberal policy on Venezuela: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/singh-ndp-liberals-venezuela-1.4991913

Locked in silent monologue, in silent scream (Sund4r), Friday, 25 January 2019 04:37 (two months ago) Permalink

Good move.

resident hack (Simon H.), Friday, 25 January 2019 04:39 (two months ago) Permalink

Maduro has blood on his hands and I refuse to support a dictatorship simply because it aligns with my own political ideals, but there's no question that Canada shouldn't back the US's nth attempt at manipulation and destabilization in the region, especially when it involves Bolsonaro.

pomenitul, Friday, 25 January 2019 09:34 (two months ago) Permalink

Yes

Locked in silent monologue, in silent scream (Sund4r), Friday, 25 January 2019 10:22 (two months ago) Permalink

open for business indeed

https://toronto.citynews.ca/2019/01/31/leaked-document-privatization-health-care/

resident hack (Simon H.), Thursday, 31 January 2019 19:52 (two months ago) Permalink

sigh

silent as a seashell Julia (Sund4r), Saturday, 2 February 2019 03:09 (two months ago) Permalink

is there wide support in Ontario for privatized health care?

Van Horn Street, Saturday, 2 February 2019 19:33 (two months ago) Permalink

This one's up there with the most frightening dystopian scenarios, as far as I'm concerned.

pomenitul, Saturday, 2 February 2019 19:38 (two months ago) Permalink

AFAIK that's not a popular proposal anywhere in the country

bhad bundy (Simon H.), Saturday, 2 February 2019 20:41 (two months ago) Permalink

Apparently the only less popular idea is killing all day kindergarten - since that idea was reversed the day after it first came out!

Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Sunday, 3 February 2019 03:09 (two months ago) Permalink

Sad lol re OSAP changes fact-checking: http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=132&v=0VywtVQ3hPU

silent as a seashell Julia (Sund4r), Sunday, 3 February 2019 21:03 (two months ago) Permalink

goddamn fucking ONDP can't do anything right

https://ipolitics.ca/2019/02/06/ontario-ndps-improper-redaction-led-ford-government-to-leaker-sources/

bhad bundy (Simon H.), Wednesday, 6 February 2019 15:47 (two months ago) Permalink

RIP Paul Dewar :(

silent as a seashell Julia (Sund4r), Thursday, 7 February 2019 23:51 (two months ago) Permalink

Just saw that on the news. I always liked him.

jmm, Friday, 8 February 2019 00:12 (two months ago) Permalink

At the trivia contest I go to every year (47 tables tonight; we finished second, one point behind the winner), a variation on a standard American question: how many living Prime Ministers right now?

clemenza, Sunday, 10 February 2019 05:29 (two months ago) Permalink

Extremely drunk 2:30 am answer: Turner, Clark, Mulroney, Chretien, Martin, Campbell, Harper, Trudeau Jr?

silent as a seashell Julia (Sund4r), Sunday, 10 February 2019 07:36 (two months ago) Permalink

8 was also my guess but I'd be lying if I said I could name all of 'em

bhad bundy (Simon H.), Sunday, 10 February 2019 07:38 (two months ago) Permalink

You've got it. The thing that jumped out at me is that there's probably never been eight living presidents (currently five, about normal), even though it's us that doesn't have term limits. That list includes Chretien, who was if office for 10 years, and Harper, who was just shy of 10. What really skews our list is Clark, Turner, and Campbell. I'm not sure if totaled a year between them.

clemenza, Sunday, 10 February 2019 14:21 (two months ago) Permalink

"if they totaled"

clemenza, Sunday, 10 February 2019 14:22 (two months ago) Permalink

Public healthcare for the win?! (Maybe our PMs are just younger?)

Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Sunday, 10 February 2019 16:51 (two months ago) Permalink

Definitely Clark--elected one day shy of 40, out of office within a year. Overall, I think ours are younger: Trudeau, Campbell, and Harper were all in their mid-40s when elected, so that's four out of the eight.

clemenza, Sunday, 10 February 2019 16:58 (two months ago) Permalink

him, Martin and Campbell also did not last long at all, so that's probably making up for the longer term guys.

Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Sunday, 10 February 2019 18:00 (two months ago) Permalink

I want to know this scurrilous libel! (I think)

Jeff Bathos (symsymsym), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 02:54 (two weeks ago) Permalink

thought this thread would be lit up with JWR and Philpott getting booted, which seems like a disaster for the Liberals...maybe they think negative partisanship will be enough to get them to %35, don't know if the Trudeau trolls out in force on Twitter are indicative of larger Canadian sentiment

Jeff Bathos (symsymsym), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 02:57 (two weeks ago) Permalink

As I understand it, they're not rabid separatists but instead take the position of, essentially, "if we sense there's popular support for separation at this time, we'll roll with it"

Simon H., Wednesday, 3 April 2019 04:01 (two weeks ago) Permalink

That's almost weirder imo. Dividing the country into two is kind of a fundamental issue and the sort of thing I would want a political leader to have a clear position on.

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 11:50 (two weeks ago) Permalink

From their official website:

La population québécoise forme une nation qui a de nombreuses caractéristiques spécifiques dont une langue commune – le français -, une culture, une histoire et des institutions politiques, économiques et sociales propres. Elle inclut des personnes de toutes origines auxquelles il appartient désormais de définir, ensemble, en toute égalité, son présent comme son avenir politique. Cette nation a le droit absolu de décider elle-même cet avenir, sans ingérence de l’extérieur.

La question nationale n’appartient pas à un seul parti politique, ni même à l’Assemblée nationale. Elle appartient à toute la population du Québec. C’est pourquoi notre parti propose que le débat sur l’avenir du Québec se fasse au moyen d’une vaste démarche de démocratie participative. Toute la population pourra ainsi se prononcer sur des changements politiques et constitutionnels, de même que sur les valeurs qui y seront associées. Un référendum clôturera cette démarche qui devra prendre le temps nécessaire pour favoriser la réflexion la plus large et la plus inclusive possible.

Le Québec doit disposer de tous les pouvoirs nécessaires à son plein développement aux plans social, économique, culturel et politique, ce qui lui est refusé dans le cadre fédéral. Notre parti opte donc pour la souveraineté. Sans être une garantie, la souveraineté est un moyen de fournir au Québec les outils nécessaires pour réaliser son projet de société et s’épanouir pleinement comme peuple.

pomenitul, Wednesday, 3 April 2019 12:20 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Oh, and there is no English version. Hardly a coincidence…

pomenitul, Wednesday, 3 April 2019 12:26 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I mean, that's better than more explicitly ethnocentric varieties of Quebec nationalism but I just don't agree with its fundamental premises.

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 12:48 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Why? I'm personally on the fence.

pomenitul, Wednesday, 3 April 2019 12:50 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I do not think that the existing federal arrangement (already highly decentralized and officially bilingual and multilingual; currently led by a PM who represents a Quebec riding and whose party represents a majority of Quebec ridings) is hindering Quebec's "social, economic, cultural, and political development" in any real way aside from making it harder to override minority rights with legislation such as the currently proposed bill that we are discussing. Whatever issues there are can generally be worked out within the context of an already fairly flexible federalism, and have been for a long time. If anything, an independent francophone country of 8 million people surrounded by larger, more powerful English-speaking countries may well have a harder time "realising its social project and flourishing as a people". The very fact that the more ethnocentric varieties of Quebec nationalism are the more popular ones should give pause to anyone who favours sovereignty for Quebec to be able to determine its own "values" and "cultural development". But also, personally, esp living 20 minutes' walking distance from Quebec, I do strongly believe in the bilingual, multicultural project, which I feel like experience daily, and do think that the country (and my own life) are stronger and richer for the presence of Quebec in Canada.

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 13:10 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Fair points, all, and I'm mostly inclined to agree. I do sympathize with QS's underlying worry that genuinely socialist projects are unlikely to succeed within Canada, but like you said, there's no guarantee that they would outside of it either (the EU makes for an interesting point of comparison here). I do think bona fide bilingualism is bound to remain a pipe dream, however, mostly because it's a one-way street: barring a few exceptions (such as, I assume, yourself), francophones pick up English while anglophones feel embarrassed at best whenever the topic of French comes up. No wonder this state of affairs has spurred a more combative sovereignist stance in Quebec, all the more so when you consider that francophones are to be found all over the country.

pomenitul, Wednesday, 3 April 2019 13:22 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Beyond the official provisions that federal services are available in both languages throughout the country, you can't really expect people to speak a language with any competence if they don't have to regularly use it with native speakers. (I teach in both languages and would still not describe myself as more than competent at best.) I don't see how Quebec sovereignty would make a difference here. There are plenty of independent European countries where people speak English far better than anglophones speak the local language.

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 13:47 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I think Quebec has done a poor job promoting french outside of its borders and into the whole of North-America. Institutionally, it has been way more preoccupied with itself (nation building) than to truly help francophone communities thrives outside of Quebec and to help Canadians learn french and French-Canadian culture. Those communities have felt abandoned because they weren't exactly of the cause and faced much larger pressure as provincial minorities, anglophones can obviously thrive without French.

Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 3 April 2019 20:37 (two weeks ago) Permalink

That being said I came here to say that all is forgiven if Pharmacare happens.

Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 3 April 2019 20:38 (two weeks ago) Permalink

All.

Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 3 April 2019 20:38 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I quite liked this piece (in French) on discrimination and the slippery slope, in Canada and around the world:

https://www.ledevoir.com/opinion/chroniques/551388/ce-qui-se-passe-au-quebec-comme-ailleurs-est-grave

Simple, factual, and to the point.

pomenitul, Thursday, 4 April 2019 10:39 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Enjoyed the writing and the effort at global and historical contextualization. I tend to be suspicious of slippery-slope arguments generally; the bill is wrong on its own terms.

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Thursday, 4 April 2019 13:59 (two weeks ago) Permalink

(I do intend to listen to the JWR tapes soon.)

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Thursday, 4 April 2019 14:00 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I wasn't aware of the history here (briefly mentioned in that article, and also relating to previous posts):

https://www.tvo.org/article/why-ontario-once-tried-to-ban-french-in-schools

Makes me sad. There's nothing I'd like more than to be fully fluent in French right now, even having come out of immersion.

jmm, Thursday, 4 April 2019 14:37 (two weeks ago) Permalink

now that's progressive conservatism

#BREAKING: 1st @fordnation budget-- making booze available @ 9am, giving cities power to allow public drinking, allowing the promo of happy hr, pushing to legalize online gambling & buy lotto tickets on your phone. License Plates & Drivers licenses to be branded Tory Blue #ONPoli

— Travis Dhanraj (@Travisdhanraj) April 11, 2019

mookieproof, Thursday, 11 April 2019 20:45 (one week ago) Permalink

Ontario budget calls for a new sign... #ONpoli pic.twitter.com/6mjBn1PkLw

— Stephen Lautens (@stephenlautens) April 11, 2019

Jeff Bathos (symsymsym), Friday, 12 April 2019 06:18 (one week ago) Permalink

This reads like a budget made by and for teenagers.

pomenitul, Friday, 12 April 2019 07:43 (one week ago) Permalink

Yeah, I don't know why that stuff is in a budget bill at all tbh but it is taking attention away from e.g. a 2.1% per year cut to the Ministry of Children, Community, and Social Services, the reversal of the gas tax transfer to municipalities, and the absence of much to do anything about housing costs. I have no idea wtf tying university funding to "performance outcomes" even means in practice.

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Friday, 12 April 2019 14:01 (one week ago) Permalink

Clearly academics aren't working hard enough. Except for Jordan Peterson, maybe.

Sour kidding aside, I'm still fucking livid at Canada's inability (and this appears to be a transprovincial issue) to veer towards the left instead of the most boneheaded, self-parodic right whenever the Liberals glaringly mess up.

pomenitul, Friday, 12 April 2019 14:06 (one week ago) Permalink

I asked myself the same question after the last Quebec elections. If you're fed up with the two party system and the PLQ in particular, why the hell would you vote for Legault? Especially when there's more money to go around than usual (mais poser la question, c'est y répondre…).

pomenitul, Friday, 12 April 2019 14:08 (one week ago) Permalink

Yeah, I guess BC is the exception there (if the QC Liberals count as Liberals, the BC Liberals probably should too)? I still don't even know what it is that the OLP glaringly messed up (Hydro prices I guess??).

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Friday, 12 April 2019 14:24 (one week ago) Permalink

Through the next round of SMAs, Ontario will become a national leader in outcomes-based funding by tying 60 per cent to performance by the 2024–25 academic year. The first year of these new agreements will tie 25 per cent of funding to performance outcomes, and this proportion will increase annually by increments of 10 per cent for three years and 5 per cent in the last year until it reaches a steady state of 60 per cent in 2024–25.

How are we supposed to know what this means if they don't define what the 'tie' is?

jmm, Friday, 12 April 2019 14:27 (one week ago) Permalink

I guess so. I have no idea why Wynne was universally loathed but then again I know very little about Ontario politics.

xp

pomenitul, Friday, 12 April 2019 14:28 (one week ago) Permalink

Sour kidding aside, I'm still fucking livid at Canada's inability (and this appears to be a transprovincial issue) to veer towards the left instead of the most boneheaded, self-parodic right whenever the Liberals glaringly mess up.

Complacency and (unearned) superiority is a helluva drug, is my totally unscientific analysis

Simon H., Friday, 12 April 2019 14:45 (one week ago) Permalink

Gotta make sure those hoi polloi don't have access to a fair legal defence.

pomenitul, Friday, 12 April 2019 14:48 (one week ago) Permalink

I guess so. I have no idea why Wynne was universally loathed but then again I know very little about Ontario politics.

A simple possibility might just be that she and the OLP didn't make disastrous errors but were too far left ideologically for too many comfortable middle class voters, which might be what Simon is getting at. If the left can make inroads with lower-income rural voters, that might be their ticket.

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Friday, 12 April 2019 15:34 (one week ago) Permalink

Gas stations that fail to display the Ford government's carbon tax propaganda face a fine of up to $10,000 PER DAY https://t.co/ox7X20IxuC #onpoli pic.twitter.com/BVP39FqXr8

— John Bowker (@bowker_john) April 12, 2019

Simon H., Friday, 12 April 2019 15:56 (one week ago) Permalink

What a fucking disgrace. Is this even legal?

pomenitul, Friday, 12 April 2019 16:00 (one week ago) Permalink

Can't find it now, but I saw a tweet looking for a willing gas station owner to take them to court over this.

Simon H., Friday, 12 April 2019 16:20 (one week ago) Permalink

"Yeah, I guess BC is the exception there (if the QC Liberals count as Liberals, the BC Liberals probably should too)? "

They most certainly should not

Jeff Bathos (symsymsym), Friday, 12 April 2019 17:14 (one week ago) Permalink

For so many Canadians, Liberals are already 'the left'. Canada does not veer left after the liberals mess up because most Canadians don't care about the left.

Van Horn Street, Friday, 12 April 2019 20:59 (one week ago) Permalink

Urgh

findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Sunday, 14 April 2019 19:27 (one week ago) Permalink

voting in the AB election is underway.

Simon H., Tuesday, 16 April 2019 16:27 (six days ago) Permalink

not much drama in that race surely. good showing by ndp would be to come within, i dunno, 8 points of UCP?

findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 16 April 2019 16:32 (six days ago) Permalink

next, alberta turns off bc's oil

Jeff Bathos (symsymsym), Tuesday, 16 April 2019 16:35 (six days ago) Permalink

It's another case where, while Notley has been a baffling disappointment to the left wrt the pipeline, I honestly don't know why she is so bad and hated vs the UCP for AB voters.

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Tuesday, 16 April 2019 17:09 (six days ago) Permalink

because they're albertans and she's a "left-wing" woman

findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 16 April 2019 17:16 (six days ago) Permalink

very anomalous situation ndp coming to power there purely due to conservative infighting. back to decades of conservative rule surely?

findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 16 April 2019 17:17 (six days ago) Permalink

welp

josh az (2011nostalgia), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 03:08 (five days ago) Permalink

The NDP are actually doing a little less badly than I expected but yeah, no. Are almost all of their seats in Edmonton?

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 03:44 (five days ago) Permalink

I mean, how could one not be impressed with Jason Kenney's tenure as minister of citizenship and immigration? I, too, would want my province to be run by a man who understands that most foreigners want nothing more than to 'cheapen' our Canadian values, as he so elegantly put it.

pomenitul, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 09:49 (five days ago) Permalink

i'll never forget his fake citizenship ceremony: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/federal-bureaucrats-pose-as-new-citizens-on-sun-news-1.1271079

Jeff Bathos (symsymsym), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 17:13 (five days ago) Permalink

not much drama in that race surely. good showing by ndp would be to come within, i dunno, 8 points of UCP?

― findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, April 16, 2019 9:32 AM (yesterday) Bookmark

lol this was optimistic. 23 points or something in actuality

findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 17:19 (five days ago) Permalink


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