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I think this is the Ford move that has infuriated me most yet: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/pc-government-tuition-fees-1.4981987?cmp=rss&fbclid=IwAR3P0OHq4xPbt91zSrIg7FYqKx16XQA1qGgiuihCPGnZM-KsTyuqcVrUtkM

At the same time that the PCs are cancelling a programme that would have made it possible for low-income students to attend university tuition-free, they are announcing an across-the-board 10% tuition cut, which might be good but afaict there is no plan to increase public funding for the universities.

Colleges and universities will be expected to absorb the loss in revenue, Fullerton said.

"They will make choices in terms of what they need to do," she said. "They will be able to determine what they need to do to change, to adapt and innovate."

Locked in silent monologue, in silent scream (Sund4r), Sunday, 20 January 2019 02:32 (seven months ago) link

"They will be able to determine what they need to do to change, to adapt and innovate."

i.e. make up the shortfall with international student tuition

jmm, Sunday, 20 January 2019 03:06 (seven months ago) link

I would give my life with a smile if I knew it would make Ford and his allies drop dead tomorrow tbh

resident hack (Simon H.), Sunday, 20 January 2019 03:08 (seven months ago) link

this has been a fun story on the way to the possible collapse of the federal ndp (if jagmeet loses this byelection)

Jeff Bathos (symsymsym), Sunday, 20 January 2019 03:15 (seven months ago) link

which tbh I'm basically actively rooting for at this point

resident hack (Simon H.), Sunday, 20 January 2019 03:19 (seven months ago) link

obviously the tactics being deployed by his opponent are horrible but the NDP need a blaring signal that they're on the wrong track ASAP

resident hack (Simon H.), Sunday, 20 January 2019 03:20 (seven months ago) link

Lol @ "merely a statement of fact".

She's officially out, now that Richard T. Lee is the Liberal candidate, right? Or is she still going to try to run as an independent?

Locked in silent monologue, in silent scream (Sund4r), Sunday, 20 January 2019 03:43 (seven months ago) link

her last tweet, a response to the controversy, was pretty egregious:

Every day I’m meeting more people on the doorstep from #BurnabySouth, having conversations with them and hearing their concerns 🗣 Want to be part of Team Karen and help me reach out to more Canadians in our community? Sign up here ➡️ https://t.co/cThQel1YtB pic.twitter.com/pyVRLPX37i

— Karen Wang (@karenxbwang) January 16, 2019

Jeff Bathos (symsymsym), Sunday, 20 January 2019 03:50 (seven months ago) link

she's threatened to run as an indy but I doubt she will...there's also a horrible anti-trans candidate running with the people's party and polling at like 9%. Not great

Jeff Bathos (symsymsym), Sunday, 20 January 2019 03:52 (seven months ago) link

i followed the burnaby story but I'm out of touch, what's the wrong track the federal ndp is on, generally?

XxxxxxxXxxxxxxxxXxxxx (dylannn), Sunday, 20 January 2019 04:00 (seven months ago) link

imo they're much too timid and unprincipled an opposition force in general. they need a total messaging and leadership overhaul a la UK Labour. and nothing less than a pledge to keep the oil in the fucking ground. It's political suicide in....some parts....of the country but it's the right thing to do.

resident hack (Simon H.), Sunday, 20 January 2019 04:20 (seven months ago) link

and in the long run I think sticking to key principles across the board would win them the respect and credibility they badly need

resident hack (Simon H.), Sunday, 20 January 2019 04:21 (seven months ago) link

yup

Jeff Bathos (symsymsym), Sunday, 20 January 2019 04:38 (seven months ago) link

I had high-ish hopes for jagmeet and he's been really poor at differentiating himself and the NDP from the government.

Jeff Bathos (symsymsym), Sunday, 20 January 2019 04:39 (seven months ago) link

yeah. I was disappointed it was basically a coronation, but I was willing to give him a chance. his leadership has been a complete faceplant. we don't need another handsome, amorphous figurehead a la Trudeau heading up the only (currently) viable left force in this country.

resident hack (Simon H.), Sunday, 20 January 2019 04:55 (seven months ago) link

thanks, buddy. the number of actual jobs in oil and gas at the moment + future prospects for the industry, you'd think they could afford to take a principled stand, maybe especially after ndp premiers in alberta and bc fumbled their wishy washy attempts at green policy while endorsing pipelines? is this leap manifesto actually good? https://leapmanifesto.org/ i see alanis morissette and arcade fire have both signed on, also judy rebick, naomi klein and the ndp socialist caucus.

i know i know end of the world looming but i'd support a federal ndp that sidelined environmental policy and advocated for aggressive tax reform, pharmacare and dental, canceling student debt, free education, childcare program, investing in social housing, card check, maybe withdraw from nato, even if some of that would be mostly just advocacy and handled by provincial governments (right?). i just mean, i'm skeptical of pushing for good environmental policy without or before setting up alternative economic/social policy. so, i have to hope jagmeet loses this byelection, right?

XxxxxxxXxxxxxxxxXxxxx (dylannn), Sunday, 20 January 2019 05:13 (seven months ago) link

i'm skeptical of pushing for good environmental policy without or before setting up alternative economic/social policy

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resident hack (Simon H.), Sunday, 20 January 2019 06:01 (seven months ago) link

building a green economy won't alleviate the inherent contradictions of neoliberal capitalism, though. but yes.

XxxxxxxXxxxxxxxxXxxxx (dylannn), Sunday, 20 January 2019 08:16 (seven months ago) link

that post seems to be trying to disagree with something you didn't say, i think.

i agree, why not both.

XxxxxxxXxxxxxxxxXxxxx (dylannn), Sunday, 20 January 2019 09:07 (seven months ago) link

Worth noting that Labour has been one of the two leading governing parties in the UK since WW2 and has actually led successful democratic socialist governments at the national level in the past (and have still yet to win an election under Corbyn). A little harder to feel confident in the NDP's federal prospects if they tacked harder left but, if the point is that they wouldn't do any worse than they're doing now and might at least push the Liberals more to the left, I could see that. I'm still up for giving Singh more of a chance but I agree that he hasn't been exceptionally impressive so far and I'm unconvinced by how he handled the Erin Weir situation.

Locked in silent monologue, in silent scream (Sund4r), Sunday, 20 January 2019 22:43 (seven months ago) link

I don't know if this exactly counts as politics but it does concern an investigation currently being handled by the OPP and reopened by the Chief Coroner and it is one gruesome story, about a 30yo man with serious mental health issues who died in prison for 'unascertained' reasons, according to the original coroner's report, with over 50 signs of 'blunt impact trauma'. A forensic pathologist says asphyxiation can't be ruled out. A fellow inmate says he watched four guards beat the man to death, after he had already been restrained. CBC's Fifth Estate has been investigating for a year and will broadcast a report in an hour and change, although reading this longform story seems pretty heavy in itself.

Locked in silent monologue, in silent scream (Sund4r), Monday, 21 January 2019 00:44 (seven months ago) link

i.e. make up the shortfall with international student tuition

Btw, I'm not sure most universities will be able to make up the whole shortfall this way. The reality will likely be more painful. I'm anticipating more closures of 'less practical' programs, increased casualization of the faculty workforce (which was beginning to change at the end of the Liberals' tenure), and cuts to student financial aid. This thread, by a U of T English prof and former dept head, seems like a p good start:

A quick thread: why a 10 percent cut to ON tuition fees is disastrous news.

— Holger Syme (@literasyme) January 16, 2019

Locked in silent monologue, in silent scream (Sund4r), Monday, 21 January 2019 00:55 (seven months ago) link

Are you still in town, Sund4r? Do you feel like sharing contact info? My ILX mail goes to a dead address, but I could mail yours.

I'm sure you're right about the additional funding repercussions. I'm wondering about my old department. A prof there commented on this as well: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-changes-to-ontario-tuition-are-unfair-and-short-sighted/

jmm, Monday, 21 January 2019 01:37 (seven months ago) link

I am. I think my ilx mail should work.

Locked in silent monologue, in silent scream (Sund4r), Monday, 21 January 2019 01:38 (seven months ago) link

Ending the six-month post-graduation grace period before students need to pay back loans just seems mean for the sake of it tbh.

Locked in silent monologue, in silent scream (Sund4r), Monday, 21 January 2019 01:40 (seven months ago) link

Could you post here if you're messaging my ilx mail bc I don't check that email as often?

Locked in silent monologue, in silent scream (Sund4r), Monday, 21 January 2019 01:44 (seven months ago) link

Just sent!

jmm, Monday, 21 January 2019 03:06 (seven months ago) link

NDP (correctly imo) opposes Trudeau/Liberal policy on Venezuela: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/singh-ndp-liberals-venezuela-1.4991913

Locked in silent monologue, in silent scream (Sund4r), Friday, 25 January 2019 04:37 (six months ago) link

Good move.

resident hack (Simon H.), Friday, 25 January 2019 04:39 (six months ago) link

Maduro has blood on his hands and I refuse to support a dictatorship simply because it aligns with my own political ideals, but there's no question that Canada shouldn't back the US's nth attempt at manipulation and destabilization in the region, especially when it involves Bolsonaro.

pomenitul, Friday, 25 January 2019 09:34 (six months ago) link

Yes

Locked in silent monologue, in silent scream (Sund4r), Friday, 25 January 2019 10:22 (six months ago) link

open for business indeed

https://toronto.citynews.ca/2019/01/31/leaked-document-privatization-health-care/

resident hack (Simon H.), Thursday, 31 January 2019 19:52 (six months ago) link

sigh

silent as a seashell Julia (Sund4r), Saturday, 2 February 2019 03:09 (six months ago) link

is there wide support in Ontario for privatized health care?

Van Horn Street, Saturday, 2 February 2019 19:33 (six months ago) link

This one's up there with the most frightening dystopian scenarios, as far as I'm concerned.

pomenitul, Saturday, 2 February 2019 19:38 (six months ago) link

AFAIK that's not a popular proposal anywhere in the country

bhad bundy (Simon H.), Saturday, 2 February 2019 20:41 (six months ago) link

Apparently the only less popular idea is killing all day kindergarten - since that idea was reversed the day after it first came out!

Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Sunday, 3 February 2019 03:09 (six months ago) link

Sad lol re OSAP changes fact-checking: http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=132&v=0VywtVQ3hPU

silent as a seashell Julia (Sund4r), Sunday, 3 February 2019 21:03 (six months ago) link

goddamn fucking ONDP can't do anything right

https://ipolitics.ca/2019/02/06/ontario-ndps-improper-redaction-led-ford-government-to-leaker-sources/

bhad bundy (Simon H.), Wednesday, 6 February 2019 15:47 (six months ago) link

RIP Paul Dewar :(

silent as a seashell Julia (Sund4r), Thursday, 7 February 2019 23:51 (six months ago) link

Just saw that on the news. I always liked him.

jmm, Friday, 8 February 2019 00:12 (six months ago) link

At the trivia contest I go to every year (47 tables tonight; we finished second, one point behind the winner), a variation on a standard American question: how many living Prime Ministers right now?

clemenza, Sunday, 10 February 2019 05:29 (six months ago) link

Extremely drunk 2:30 am answer: Turner, Clark, Mulroney, Chretien, Martin, Campbell, Harper, Trudeau Jr?

silent as a seashell Julia (Sund4r), Sunday, 10 February 2019 07:36 (six months ago) link

8 was also my guess but I'd be lying if I said I could name all of 'em

bhad bundy (Simon H.), Sunday, 10 February 2019 07:38 (six months ago) link

You've got it. The thing that jumped out at me is that there's probably never been eight living presidents (currently five, about normal), even though it's us that doesn't have term limits. That list includes Chretien, who was if office for 10 years, and Harper, who was just shy of 10. What really skews our list is Clark, Turner, and Campbell. I'm not sure if totaled a year between them.

clemenza, Sunday, 10 February 2019 14:21 (six months ago) link

"if they totaled"

clemenza, Sunday, 10 February 2019 14:22 (six months ago) link

Public healthcare for the win?! (Maybe our PMs are just younger?)

Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Sunday, 10 February 2019 16:51 (six months ago) link

Definitely Clark--elected one day shy of 40, out of office within a year. Overall, I think ours are younger: Trudeau, Campbell, and Harper were all in their mid-40s when elected, so that's four out of the eight.

clemenza, Sunday, 10 February 2019 16:58 (six months ago) link

him, Martin and Campbell also did not last long at all, so that's probably making up for the longer term guys.

Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Sunday, 10 February 2019 18:00 (six months ago) link

If this is true, it is indeed creepy and terrible, although the grip of Postmedia on English-language Canadian news was always somewhat oppressive. I guess we'd still have the Toronto Star and French news? (I have no idea what one is meant to do with CBC these days.)

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Monday, 12 August 2019 20:37 (one week ago) link

how much of a reach do you think any of these papers have? I don't get the sense that the Sun and the Province set the agenda in Vancouver or BC nearly as much as they did in the 90s. Nobody reads them anymore!

Jeff Bathos (symsymsym), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 02:51 (one week ago) link

National Post always mixed some interesting heterodox opinion columnists with virulent unadulterated Islamophobia

Jeff Bathos (symsymsym), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 02:52 (one week ago) link

the free Star Metro paper here strikes me as left of centre if anything

Jeff Bathos (symsymsym), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 02:52 (one week ago) link

how much of a reach do you think any of these papers have?

my extremely gut-feeling answer is "more than you might think, especially among the over-55s"

Simon H., Tuesday, 13 August 2019 03:02 (one week ago) link

Ha, I just reviewed the thread and found zero links to any local Postmedia paper and one Postmedia link period (to the NP). Definitely different from the days when the whole family read the Citizen every day.

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 10:20 (one week ago) link

Definitely feels more and more probable that we are heading for a conservative government this fall. I'm hoping that they at least don't get a majority.

silverfish, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 17:45 (one week ago) link

Fuck everything about this.

pomenitul, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 17:48 (one week ago) link

yeah, we're screwed

bookmarkflaglink (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 17:50 (one week ago) link

Fucking awesome: Legault in Quebec, Ford in Ontario, Kenney in Alberta, etc., and Scheer for the whole country.

pomenitul, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 17:52 (one week ago) link

and we'll still be thinking we're better than america

bookmarkflaglink (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 17:53 (one week ago) link

Not a high bar tbf.

pomenitul, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 17:54 (one week ago) link

What are the Grits' chances if Trudeau resigns, someone else (Freeland?) takes over?

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 18:36 (one week ago) link

Also, how depressing is it to be hoping for a federal Liberal government to survive after a corruption scandal? There just seems to be zero hope for a leftist alternative at this point.

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 18:39 (one week ago) link

uh, i think the only way you can think up such a thing happening would be some accelarationist fantasizing. tories get in and the economy finally goes tits up and jagmeet storms in and leads us to glorious social democracy? so far-fetched i can't even imagine it

bookmarkflaglink (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 18:41 (one week ago) link

:(

pomenitul, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 18:43 (one week ago) link

i'm starting to fear that Jagmeet will never become PM

Jeff Bathos (symsymsym), Thursday, 15 August 2019 02:53 (one week ago) link

SNC is very bad and corrupt imo but I don't think Lib voters care. And there's a definite ceiling on Scheer's support. My gut feeling is still that we are stuck with Justin, probably forever.

Jeff Bathos (symsymsym), Thursday, 15 August 2019 02:56 (one week ago) link

I half-wondered whether there's a way this might actually help him in Quebec, to be seen to have fought so hard to save a homegrown giant and all those jobs.

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Thursday, 15 August 2019 03:00 (one week ago) link

The accelerationist in me hopes for a poor NDP showing so they can finally get a decent leader for a change

Simon H., Thursday, 15 August 2019 03:03 (one week ago) link

l'etat, c'est SNC Lavalin

Jeff Bathos (symsymsym), Thursday, 15 August 2019 03:04 (one week ago) link

I feel pretty confident that the NDP will be getting a new leader after 2019, possibly barring Jagmeet becoming the junior partner in a minority coalition. But do they have any decent possibilities? I liked Nathan Cullen, vaguely, but he just retired...

Jeff Bathos (symsymsym), Thursday, 15 August 2019 03:07 (one week ago) link

Ashton?

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Thursday, 15 August 2019 03:07 (one week ago) link

She'd be my pick obv

Simon H., Thursday, 15 August 2019 03:54 (one week ago) link

I half-wondered whether there's a way this might actually help him in Quebec, to be seen to have fought so hard to save a homegrown giant and all those jobs.

That's already the way it's being spun here and I think there's a decent chance it might work. It doesn't seem like people here like Scheer or Singh much so might just end up voting Liberal by default. Unless they decide to go back to voting Bloc? It's not a very predictable electorate

silverfish, Thursday, 15 August 2019 12:55 (one week ago) link

What about Mad Max? Is he still in the race?

pomenitul, Thursday, 15 August 2019 13:00 (one week ago) link

Unless they decide to go back to voting Bloc?

This would probably guarantee a Tory government if it happened.

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Thursday, 15 August 2019 13:08 (one week ago) link

What about Mad Max? Is he still in the race?

I think he has a shot of winning his own seat (which would mean, per current rules, that he would be at the debate for the election following this one)

silverfish, Thursday, 15 August 2019 13:15 (one week ago) link

This would probably guarantee a Tory government if it happened.

Agreed. I hope it doesn't happen.

The Liberal position on the whole SNC Lavalin thing is basically the same one as the provincial government here (i.e. even though they are corrupt, it is important that they be allowed to continue to do business with the government because of jobs) so possibly this will have no effect on Liberals vote turnout at all in Quebec.

silverfish, Thursday, 15 August 2019 13:20 (one week ago) link

Lol, just checked what the editorial board of Le Devoir had to say and yep, they're just throwing these questions out there: https://www.ledevoir.com/opinion/editoriaux/560653/affaire-snc-lavalin-dans-quel-interet

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Thursday, 15 August 2019 14:51 (one week ago) link

Haha, seems about right. Le Devoir gonna (do its) devoir.

pomenitul, Thursday, 15 August 2019 14:54 (one week ago) link

extreme weather bad, climate change good

Jeff Bathos (symsymsym), Thursday, 15 August 2019 16:44 (one week ago) link

Insofar as conservatism is just tribalism, that sweltering take is probably more widespread than we think.

pomenitul, Thursday, 15 August 2019 16:45 (one week ago) link

Oh, I used to participate in a Canadian politics forum with plenty of small- and large-C conservatives on it and you definitely came across this viewpoint. A former cabinet minister writing this in a major newspaper is ... something, though.

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Thursday, 15 August 2019 16:51 (one week ago) link

The cynicism is just breathtaking. Fuck that article.

jmm, Thursday, 15 August 2019 17:03 (one week ago) link

I kept waiting for him to baldly suggest that we accelerate the process.

pomenitul, Thursday, 15 August 2019 17:05 (one week ago) link

Naturally, no mention that Canada has among the highest per capita emissions.

jmm, Thursday, 15 August 2019 17:06 (one week ago) link

Ah, there he is:

https://www.ledevoir.com/politique/canada/560699/les-candidats-de-maxime-bernier-et-l-avortement

Because curbing late-term abortions should be our top priority.

pomenitul, Friday, 16 August 2019 08:11 (one week ago) link

Tbh, I had no idea he was running candidates outside of Quebec.

Non-paywalled site for a Toronto Star story about more brilliant work by Ford's govt: https://www.niagarafallsreview.ca/news-story/9553856-ford-government-s-streamlining-delays-funding-for-agencies-that-help-the-disabled/ . Seriously worried about what's going on here; we have a very good support system in the province now.

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Saturday, 17 August 2019 23:03 (six days ago) link

This seems really confused. An identical message can be legal for a non-third-party-registered charity in one election and not in another, depending on what the worst party happens to be advocating?

Because of that, Elections Canada is warning that any third party that promotes information about carbon dioxide as a pollutant or climate change as an emergency could be considered to be indirectly advocating against Mr. Bernier and his party. Activities can be considered partisan by Elections Canada even if they don’t mention a candidate or party by name, the agency’s rules say.

An Elections Canada spokesman confirmed “such a recommendation would be something we would give.”

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-environment-groups-warned-saying-climate-is-real-could-be-seen-as/

jmm, Monday, 19 August 2019 12:27 (four days ago) link

Wtf? Can we block every bank from advertising since they probably oppose the stance of the Communist Party? Oil industry ads might be indirectly opposing the Green Party?

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Monday, 19 August 2019 12:37 (four days ago) link

Oh, I guess it only affects charity tax status. Still weird. That is not a partisan message.

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Monday, 19 August 2019 12:38 (four days ago) link

Exactly. This is a case of the very 'feels over reals' that the right routinely ascribes to its opponents.

pomenitul, Monday, 19 August 2019 12:44 (four days ago) link

I guess it only affects charity tax status

although maybe those corporations should still have to register as third parties

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Monday, 19 August 2019 15:24 (four days ago) link

What about the anti-carbon tax stickers that Ford is mandating at gas stations?

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Monday, 19 August 2019 15:25 (four days ago) link

Interprovincial drama: https://r-login.wordpress.com/remote-login.php?action=auth&host=montrealgazette.com&id=72587893&back=https%3A%2F%2Fmontrealgazette.com%2Fnews%2Fquebec%2Fequalization-is-part-of-the-original-deal-and-quebec-will-fight-to-keep-it-says-premier-legault&h=

Kenney's stance, tying support for equalization payments to the building of pipelines, seems ridiculous and tbh troll-y, while Legault seems to want to rewrite constitutional history, although I do think he's right to want to retain the equalization system.

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Tuesday, 20 August 2019 13:49 (three days ago) link

It's a sad day when one has to choose between Legault and Kenney (la peste et le choléra).

pomenitul, Tuesday, 20 August 2019 15:29 (three days ago) link


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