US Politics January 2019: we are #ready to drop something much, much bigger

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presidential harassment!

reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 1 January 2019 13:21 (two weeks ago) Permalink

tax returns!

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 1 January 2019 13:28 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Calling Gil-Scott Heron. (Dead, I know.)

clemenza, Tuesday, 1 January 2019 13:33 (two weeks ago) Permalink

#PeaceIsOurProfession

We're gonna get real Kubrickian this year

jmm, Tuesday, 1 January 2019 13:41 (two weeks ago) Permalink

JUST CALM DOWN AND ENJOY THE RIDE

HAPPY NEW YEAR TO EVERYONE, INCLUDING THE HATERS AND THE FAKE NEWS MEDIA! 2019 WILL BE A FANTASTIC YEAR FOR THOSE NOT SUFFERING FROM TRUMP DERANGEMENT SYNDROME. JUST CALM DOWN AND ENJOY THE RIDE, GREAT THINGS ARE HAPPENING FOR OUR COUNTRY!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 1, 2019

reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 1 January 2019 14:15 (two weeks ago) Permalink

ohh, that would have been a good thread title

Juul Haalmeyer Dancers washout (WmC), Tuesday, 1 January 2019 14:20 (two weeks ago) Permalink

NOW I THINK I AM AARON RODGERS

reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 1 January 2019 14:24 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Hmm, number one person suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome isss

So, a bad year for him?

Mark G, Tuesday, 1 January 2019 14:36 (two weeks ago) Permalink

the real trump derangement syndrome is the friends we made along the way

maura, Tuesday, 1 January 2019 14:49 (two weeks ago) Permalink

so anyway I didn't watch those 2016 "debates" just as none of you should have, but didn't they lead to HRC's telltale "why aren't I 30 points ahead" hubris?

maybe literally say "you're a diseased animal" to the asshole, as long as we're never going back to politesse

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 1 January 2019 15:47 (two weeks ago) Permalink

#PeaceIsOurProfession
We're gonna get real Kubrickian this year
― jmm, Tuesday, January 1, 2019 8:41 AM (two hours ago)

I'm pretty sure Kubrick & Co took this verbatim from... the Pentagon

things haven't changed THAT much

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 1 January 2019 15:49 (two weeks ago) Permalink

He did you complain about the deplorables thing being “elitist” at the time?

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Tuesday, 1 January 2019 16:14 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Ultimately we need a machine that regularly produces Senators like Brown and Warren more than we need a machine that elects one of them president once

— Italian Alex Pareene (@pareene) December 31, 2018

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 1 January 2019 16:27 (two weeks ago) Permalink

re: debates w trump and the people who support trump i often think of this quote from edouard louis in a guardian interview a couple of years ago:

Silence has to be a part of our progress. We have to put silence at the centre of politics today. Stop responding to the questions, stop letting them control the language, the debate, the agenda. I hear some argue 'it’s better to be open about these things. If you are racist and hide your racism, then you’re a hypocrite.' I say no, it’s better you keep quiet.

To me, democracy is not about saying everything. Some things, like racism, antisemitism, shouldn’t be issues, they shouldn’t be talked about. Some subjects should be considered obsolete, and yes, let’s shut down the debate because they are obsolete. I grew up as a queer child in a small village. Lots of gay children in this situation suffer the same things: being threatened, beaten up. When I published my book in Paris, some said, ‘Well, if you’d grown up in a bourgeois milieu, people would have thought the same thing, they just wouldn’t have hit you.’ Are they joking? I would rather that, than being constantly beaten up for being queer. Of course I’d rather people weren’t racist or homophobic, but if they are they can keep it to themselves. Just shut up.

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 1 January 2019 16:31 (two weeks ago) Permalink

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/31/opinion/trump-evangelicals-cyrus-king.html

ni dieu ni maître!

j., Tuesday, 1 January 2019 17:59 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Yes. Racism, homophobia, hate in general is more about what you say and do than how you think. A nation of people who have learned not to publicly express or act on their prejudices is vastly preferable — and, in practice, vastly less hateful in the ways that matter most — to a nation where people feel free to act on them.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 1 January 2019 18:01 (two weeks ago) Permalink

silent bob for president!

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 1 January 2019 18:08 (two weeks ago) Permalink

The month before the 2018 midterms, a thousand theaters screened “The Trump Prophecy,” a film that tells the story of Mark Taylor, a former firefighter who claims that God told him in 2011 that Donald Trump would be elected president.

What?

💫 (Trϵϵship), Tuesday, 1 January 2019 18:11 (two weeks ago) Permalink

"Congratulations to President
@JairBolsonaro who just made a great inauguration speech - the U.S.A. is with you!"

trump tweet, just now

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 1 January 2019 18:14 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Nice

💫 (Trϵϵship), Tuesday, 1 January 2019 18:16 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Seriously though the thing j posted

💫 (Trϵϵship), Tuesday, 1 January 2019 18:17 (two weeks ago) Permalink

The identification of the 45th president with an ancient Middle Eastern potentate isn’t a fringe thing. “The Trump Prophecy” was produced with the help of professors and students at Liberty University, whose president, Jerry Falwell Jr., has been instrumental in rallying evangelical support for Mr. Trump. Jeanine Pirro of Fox News has picked up on the meme, as has Ron Dermer, the Israeli ambassador to the United States, among many others.

💫 (Trϵϵship), Tuesday, 1 January 2019 18:17 (two weeks ago) Permalink

https://www.vox.com/2018/10/8/17941066/the-trump-prophecy-liberty-university-christian-nationalism

The Trump administration has used this very trope. In June, Attorney General Jeff Sessions used Romans 13:1-7 — a controversial verse that demands that Jewish Christians resist political action against the Roman Empire — to argue that the Trump administration had the political and Biblical right to enforce family separation policies for migrants. Trump’s top evangelical advisors, such as prosperity gospel preacher Paula White and First Baptist Dallas preacher Robert Jeffress, have frequently implied that Trump’s authority is virtually unlimited because his presidency is divinely mandated.

💫 (Trϵϵship), Tuesday, 1 January 2019 18:43 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Maybe i am dumb. I didn’t know about any of this.

💫 (Trϵϵship), Tuesday, 1 January 2019 18:43 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I knew he had a strong base among evangelicals. Didnnot think they considered him a divine king.

💫 (Trϵϵship), Tuesday, 1 January 2019 18:45 (two weeks ago) Permalink

these fucks simply can not die soon enough

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Tuesday, 1 January 2019 18:47 (two weeks ago) Permalink

This is horrifying

💫 (Trϵϵship), Tuesday, 1 January 2019 18:48 (two weeks ago) Permalink

It also seems extremely blasphemous. Where are the christians speaking out against this?

💫 (Trϵϵship), Tuesday, 1 January 2019 18:48 (two weeks ago) Permalink

who had 13 hours in the treeshy's first horrifying epiphany of 2019 poll

mookieproof, Tuesday, 1 January 2019 18:53 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Lol at least i’m not in the death pool this year

🌴 (Trϵϵship), Tuesday, 1 January 2019 18:53 (two weeks ago) Permalink

where's the tax returns?

reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 1 January 2019 19:03 (two weeks ago) Permalink

i’m still compiling my ballot tbf xp

an erotic picnic with Ming (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 1 January 2019 19:05 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Did not think they considered him a divine king.

There are definitely some evangelicals who long for a theocracy, as the correct and biblically ordained form of government. There's even a fancy term for their movement that escapes me atm, something with 'dominion' embedded in it, I think. They'd respond very favorably to such propaganda.

I don't believe that sort of craziness is widely accepted among evangelicals, yet, but you can never hurt yourself with evangelicals by quoting some bible verse that appears to bolster your position. And there aren't a lot of bible verses that endorse checks and balances between the three branches of a democratically-elected and constitutionally-based government.

A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 1 January 2019 19:08 (two weeks ago) Permalink

dominionism

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Tuesday, 1 January 2019 19:23 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Wondering suddenly if Mittens ran for senate just as a launchpad to primary Trump. Thinking it’s more likely he runs in ‘24, why would he stick his neck out

I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Wednesday, 2 January 2019 06:10 (two weeks ago) Permalink

In the meantime, I am in SW DC, one block from the National Mall, and the usual torrent of humanity is more like a trickle. A restaurant in this building is closed for the duration, and another has drastically cut back it's hours.

I Feel Bad About My Butt (j.lu), Wednesday, 2 January 2019 12:52 (two weeks ago) Permalink

A primary challenge to trump would fail.

Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 2 January 2019 13:11 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Good morning!

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 2 January 2019 13:11 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I would be interested in seeing tax returns fwiw

alomar lines, Wednesday, 2 January 2019 13:23 (two weeks ago) Permalink

A primary challenge to trump would fail.

― Trϵϵship,

Whats the earliest/latest this could happen? I'd have ruled it out as impossible even just a month or so ago but now I'm no longer sure

anvil, Wednesday, 2 January 2019 14:02 (two weeks ago) Permalink

hate to see a good thread title go waste

The truth is @MittRomney lacked the ability to save this nation. @realDonaldTrump has saved it. Jealously is a drink best served warm and Romney just proved it. So sad, I wish everyone had the courage @realDonaldTrump had. https://t.co/mbxoTqbSX6

— Brad Parscale (@parscale) January 2, 2019

mookieproof, Wednesday, 2 January 2019 14:04 (two weeks ago) Permalink

It will fail, of course, but I would still root for it as a step towards schism between the semi-sane Republicans and the death cult.

Sanpaku, Wednesday, 2 January 2019 14:04 (two weeks ago) Permalink

""semi-sane Republicans"" <----sorry, who?

resident hack (Simon H.), Wednesday, 2 January 2019 14:12 (two weeks ago) Permalink

The ones who just want a feudal plutocracy, not the ones cheering on Biblical apocalypse.

Sanpaku, Wednesday, 2 January 2019 14:15 (two weeks ago) Permalink

pretty sure that is also a strong path to apocalypse

resident hack (Simon H.), Wednesday, 2 January 2019 14:19 (two weeks ago) Permalink

If you can trap Jeff Flake on an elevator he temporarily grows a conscience

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 2 January 2019 14:21 (two weeks ago) Permalink

But tomorrow he’s dying and getting reborn in the private sector, so not much time there

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 2 January 2019 14:23 (two weeks ago) Permalink

For Romney, that's not bad.

clemenza, Wednesday, 2 January 2019 14:24 (two weeks ago) Permalink

^^^ centrist

sleeve, Wednesday, 2 January 2019 15:19 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Relax, he's got a big speech to fuck up tomorrow...

Infidels, Like Dylan In The Eighties (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 19 January 2019 05:18 (two days ago) Permalink

Sorry, had to repost

Well, I'd like to see ol Donny Trump wriggle his way out of THIS jam!
*Trump wriggles his way out of the jam easily*
Ah! Well. Nevertheless,

— jf (@BronzeHammer) October 2, 2016

resident hack (Simon H.), Saturday, 19 January 2019 05:19 (two days ago) Permalink

Not so much a wriggle as an ooze.

Infidels, Like Dylan In The Eighties (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 19 January 2019 05:21 (two days ago) Permalink

Mueller seems like the type who wants the narrative, when it emerges, to be airtight, by-the-book, and beyond caviling. Of course, once it is released into the wild, the narrative will quickly flow downhill toward a more easily assimilated simplification, and each side will compete to direct it to the most convenient resting place for their purposes.

A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 19 January 2019 05:22 (two days ago) Permalink

Sorry, had to repost

no

mookieproof, Saturday, 19 January 2019 05:32 (two days ago) Permalink

I just heard that Trump sent Melania to Florida on a government plane on the same night he refused Nancy Pelosi her flight. & he used a Boeing 757 not a C37 so it cost tax payers >$35,000, lovely.

Stevolende, Saturday, 19 January 2019 11:25 (two days ago) Permalink

well this mueller news really sucks

k3vin k., Saturday, 19 January 2019 12:50 (two days ago) Permalink

Yeah... most logical takeaway is that the story was flat wrong given Mueller actually responding at all.

Evan, Saturday, 19 January 2019 13:39 (two days ago) Permalink

Or maybe Whitaker made him release the statement?

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 19 January 2019 13:50 (two days ago) Permalink

good morning

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 19 January 2019 14:01 (two days ago) Permalink

Mueller better have something good coming.

Trϵϵship, Saturday, 19 January 2019 14:51 (two days ago) Permalink

I’m mad at him now.

Trϵϵship, Saturday, 19 January 2019 14:51 (two days ago) Permalink

send him an email

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 19 January 2019 14:59 (two days ago) Permalink

Riiigggghht now

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Saturday, 19 January 2019 15:08 (two days ago) Permalink

I’m seeing him tonight at Barcade. I’ll let him know then.

Trϵϵship, Saturday, 19 January 2019 15:22 (two days ago) Permalink

so what’s up is r/The_Donald et al on some “Mueller is good now” tip?

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Saturday, 19 January 2019 15:57 (two days ago) Permalink

Lol, big if true

Trϵϵship, Saturday, 19 January 2019 15:57 (two days ago) Permalink

Q Anon has been saying mueller and trump are secretly working together for over a year now

Trϵϵship, Saturday, 19 January 2019 15:58 (two days ago) Permalink

Wonder if Mueller leaked that to get in Trump's good graces and then willrelease the report that says "lol jk he totally did it just didn't want to take the edges off my report with leaked spoilers"

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Saturday, 19 January 2019 16:22 (two days ago) Permalink

I just read that weird WaPo piece about the reporter in Paris who randomly got put on the line with the Pres. No shock, but I guess Trump still asks "Are you Hillary or Trump?" of people he meets?

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 19 January 2019 16:24 (two days ago) Permalink

https://www.emptywheel.net/2019/01/19/peter-carr-speaks/

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 19 January 2019 17:17 (two days ago) Permalink

Reportedly ready to offer temporary protection for Dreamers in return for border money. Fuck that. Temporary is worthless.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 19 January 2019 18:22 (two days ago) Permalink

fuck temporary protection, but more importantly, fuck ANYTHING AT ALL in exchange for the wall. if you criticize the offer because it's temporary, that leads to possible concessions that it would be better if it were permanent, which would be a compromise that trump could try to negotiate toward. then he could claim victory on two counts - getting his dumbass border wall, and getting democrats to concede to a deal that was offered a year ago. it would also reinforce the idea that establish budgets and policy via hostage showdowns is a good thing to try. that's why they have to just stand strong on the NOTHING for the wall, open the government now you childish loser strategy

Karl Malone, Saturday, 19 January 2019 18:51 (two days ago) Permalink

Open the government and we will be happy to talk about whatever proposals the executive may have. But risking health and safety, hurting the economy, and delivering pain to families can never be the start of a fruitful negotiation. So, open the government, and let’s talk.

— Brian Schatz (@brianschatz) January 19, 2019

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Saturday, 19 January 2019 18:52 (two days ago) Permalink

^^^

looking forward to some guy from Denmark explaining why we're all wrong here

sleeve, Saturday, 19 January 2019 19:08 (two days ago) Permalink

did Sasour and Tamika Mallory poison the appetite for the women's march this year? I've seen and heard much less about it.

akm, Saturday, 19 January 2019 19:11 (two days ago) Permalink

sure looks like it

sleeve, Saturday, 19 January 2019 19:12 (two days ago) Permalink

It’s been at the top of every story I’ve heard on the topic

Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Saturday, 19 January 2019 19:15 (two days ago) Permalink

It’s been at the top of every story I’ve heard on the topic

Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Saturday, 19 January 2019 19:15 (two days ago) Permalink

Pelosi isnt gonna take some bullshit deal she didnt have a hand in negotiating, this is just a PR stunt

Οὖτις, Saturday, 19 January 2019 19:56 (two days ago) Permalink

xp i just heard the front end of a local march speech by someone i think is good, and right off she had to thank the crowd for standing up in the face of 'rising anti-semitism and rising anti-immigrant rhetoric' (she was talking abt immigration issues)

j., Saturday, 19 January 2019 20:01 (two days ago) Permalink

Dems say no thanks. pic.twitter.com/ijbUggUFcV

— Jake Sherman (@JakeSherman) January 19, 2019

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Saturday, 19 January 2019 20:17 (two days ago) Permalink

Last sentence of that statement is what I want to hear.

Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Saturday, 19 January 2019 20:34 (two days ago) Permalink

Hey, full morning already!

“but be careful Nancy!” This is the language of a hostage-taker pic.twitter.com/Ys4th5TQ2Z

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) January 20, 2019

dems can now point to this tweet and fairly argue that by holding the line they’re preventing mass deportations of 10M people

— Women For Kilgore Trout (@KT_So_It_Goes) January 20, 2019

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 20 January 2019 16:06 (yesterday) Permalink

Also

Rudolph Giuliani tells @CNNSotu that Trump may indeed have spoken to Michael Cohen about his congressional testimony beforehand. "And so what if he talked to him about it?" Denies Trump told Cohen to lie.

— Jon Swaine (@jonswaine) January 20, 2019

.@GStephanopoulos: "Did Donald Trump know that Michael Cohen was pursuing the Trump Tower in Moscow into the summer of 2016?"

Rudy Giuliani: "According to the answer that he gave, it would have covered all the way up to... November of 2016." https://t.co/kEzanELn3I pic.twitter.com/kxSUAXFhtk

— ABC News (@ABC) December 16, 2018

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 20 January 2019 16:07 (yesterday) Permalink

💥BAM! Rudy just said: "Collusion is not a crime; it was over with by the time of the election." That's some goal-post-moving confession right there.

He also said Trump told the special counsel that he pursued Trump Tower Moscow deal all the way to November 2016. https://t.co/TIuXX2NOJX

— Jennifer Taub (@jentaub) January 20, 2019

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 20 January 2019 16:13 (yesterday) Permalink

Buzzfeed guys were on CNN a few minutes ago and they were pretty adamant their story was sound.

frogbs, Sunday, 20 January 2019 16:43 (yesterday) Permalink

^^^

BuzzFeed News is strongly standing by its Michael Cohen story. BF reporter @a_cormier_:“I have further confirmation that this is right. We are being told to stand our ground…The same sources that we used in that story are standing behind it, as are we.”
pic.twitter.com/f0asZFEDFK

— andrew kaczynski (@KFILE) January 20, 2019

grawlix (unperson), Sunday, 20 January 2019 16:45 (yesterday) Permalink

one obvious thing about the special counsel's statement on the buzzfeed story that i haven't heard anyone say: what the fuck is with the placement of the second comma? for such an important, carefully worded statement, wtf happened there? it's impossible to read out loud without sounding like a mistake was made

"BuzzFeed’s description of specific statements to the Special Counsel’s Office, and characterization of documents and testimony obtained by this office, regarding Michael Cohen’s Congressional testimony are not accurate."

Karl Malone, Sunday, 20 January 2019 16:47 (yesterday) Permalink

looks like two hours ago trump retweeted the father of really dumb teenage fartknocker jacob wohl, who claimed he knew of someone with a claim that mueller sexually assaulted her before holding a disastrous press conference in a holiday inn in front of a couple dozen angry journalists and several thousand confused people on periscope, whose tweet begins "Journalism is DEAD."

good mourning!

Karl Malone, Sunday, 20 January 2019 16:59 (yesterday) Permalink

Did Fox touch that story? I thought everybody I was aware of running it played it as broad farce so it might have undermined the Fox message. So if he's not looking at any other news sources he might not be aware of it. Plus it was more than 5 minutes ago so who remembers things like that?

Stevolende, Sunday, 20 January 2019 17:09 (yesterday) Permalink

I don’t think Fox ran with it. But not that he’s at all discerning about who and what he amplifies.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Sunday, 20 January 2019 18:02 (yesterday) Permalink

Did the Pres just say he'd offer amnesty if Pelosi held out for a bigger deal? https://t.co/jNyIQImRny

— (((Harry Enten))) (@ForecasterEnten) January 20, 2019

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Sunday, 20 January 2019 18:03 (yesterday) Permalink

xpost Marcy Wheeler piece on the Buzzfeed correction (plus recent WaPo piece) pretty useful. In the Post they reveal the correction may have come at the behest of Rod Rosenstein, which may mean indeed that it came at the insistence of Whitaker; both are I assume privy to what Mueller has, but only one is probably actively trying to protect Trump. Yet as Wheeler points out, Buzzfeed's sources are likely in SDNY, not from Mueller (who does not leak). Cohen is a cooperating witness for Mueller but *not* for SDNY, which means they have different uses for him (and slightly different investigation/prosecution strategies). The vague correction might have been a way to keep this matter at arm's length for Mueller, because they will need Cohen's testimony to bolster evidence and also Cohen's own claims, since Mueller's focus is not necessarily on the president (who can't be indicted) but on his cohort (who can). Ergo the Buzzfeed story can be not wholly accurate, as far as Mueller is concerned, yet at the same time entirely accurate, as far as SDNY is concerned.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 20 January 2019 18:06 (yesterday) Permalink

Did the Pres just say he'd offer amnesty...

Even if he said it unambiguously and repeated it five times, it doesn't mean he would do it. This man doesn't fuck around when it comes to lying or going back on his word.

A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 20 January 2019 19:03 (yesterday) Permalink

I keep thinking if there are 11 million people hear illegally, they must be working somewhere. It seems like if they had gone after the people that have been getting cheap under the table illegal work force bypassing current labor laws, they probably could fix their problem. How many billions of unpaid taxes are in that group. The thing is the same people that are all build the wall are the same ones using the illegal cheap labor. They tried this back in the 90s and the industries balked about 'regulation'. Don't see at all why this is not a bigger part of the narrative by either side in this debate other than both sides like taking money from people exploiting these employees.

earlnash, Sunday, 20 January 2019 22:42 (yesterday) Permalink

you really don’t see why? hmm...

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Sunday, 20 January 2019 22:49 (yesterday) Permalink

During Trump's shut down, E-Verify is down.

Checking employment eligibility of potential hires was by far the most effective means of deterring undocumented immigration, but some knob wants steel slats that will face a decade of environmental lawsuits and never be built, and threw the gates wide open.

dancing the Radioactive Flesh (Sanpaku), Sunday, 20 January 2019 23:49 (yesterday) Permalink

they chant "build the wall" because it lends their whiteness a further prestige.

whoa is me (stevie), Monday, 21 January 2019 06:56 (five hours ago) Permalink


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