Rolling 2018 Thread on Race

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i'll start this off by opening a can of worms

i keep reading articles like this

https://www.vox.com/identities/2016/11/15/13595508/racism-trump-research-study

how is this different from telling PoC to sit down and shut up?

the late great, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 20:50 (one year ago) link

the trump budget is the most racist in a long, long time

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/02/trumps-infrastructure-plan-is-doa

reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 20:56 (one year ago) link

Trump budget being the most racist in decades == Trump fulfilling his implicit and explicit campaign promises to be the most racist administration in decades

A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 21:06 (one year ago) link

one month passes...

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/03/19/upshot/race-class-white-and-black-men.html

In our most recent study, we analyze racial differences in economic opportunity using data on 20 million children and their parents. We show black children have much lower rates of upward mobility and higher rates of downward mobility than white children, leading to black-white income disparities that persist across generations. While Hispanic and black Americans presently have comparable incomes, the incomes of Hispanic Americans are increasing steadily across generations.

The black-white gap in upward mobility is driven entirely by differences in men’s, not women’s, outcomes. Black and white men have very different outcomes even if they grow up in two-parent families with comparable incomes, education, and wealth; live on the same city block; and attend the same school. Black-white gaps are smaller in low-poverty neighborhoods with lower levels of racial bias among whites and a larger fraction of black fathers at home. We conclude that reducing the black-white income gap will require efforts whose impacts cross neighborhood and class lines and increase upward mobility specifically for black men.

The new data shows that 21 percent of black men raised at the very bottom were incarcerated, according to a snapshot of a single day during the 2010 census. Black men raised in the top 1 percent — by millionaires — were as likely to be incarcerated as white men raised in households earning about $36,000.

k3vin k., Monday, 19 March 2018 19:31 (one year ago) link

that last sentence is staggering

Louis Jägermeister (jim in vancouver), Monday, 19 March 2018 19:37 (one year ago) link

I am very glad to have this study widely available to support the anecdotal evidence I have been arguing from when people try to tell me that if we just focus on economic issues, things will improve drastically for black people as a side-effect.

Embalming is a flirty business (DJP), Monday, 19 March 2018 19:40 (one year ago) link

three weeks pass...

https://www.miheadlines.com/2018/04/13/rochester-hills-man-arraigned-on-charges-after-shooting-at-lost-14-yr-old-boy/

POS tried to hide behind "you didn't see the entire video, maaaan" defense until realizing his Ring doorbell captured the whole incident. then woman has audacity to call 911 to report break-in attempt.

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Saturday, 14 April 2018 17:32 (one year ago) link

This story. Man...

My son is 11. I remember him kicking or throwing balls into neighbors' yards and wanting to go in and just get his stuff.

I made the case that he should always go to the neighbor's house, knock, and ask if they can get his stuff or ask their permission to go get it. This story is the kind of story that makes you think...maybe just call the ball a loss and go play in a park instead of a backyard. Safer that way.

The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 14 April 2018 17:45 (one year ago) link

yea, it's fucking horrifying.

the infuriating thing is, once again, we have to wonder if, despite the recording, if dude will be convicted.

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Saturday, 14 April 2018 17:55 (one year ago) link

He’s not a police officer; he’s going to be convicted.

Embalming is a flirty business (DJP), Saturday, 14 April 2018 23:28 (one year ago) link

Big ol' study on the US racial wealth gap

Addressing racial wealth inequality will require a major redistributive effort or another major public policy intervention to build black American wealth. This could take the form of a direct race-specific initiative like a dramatic reparations program tied to compensation for the legacies of slavery and Jim Crow, and/or an initiative that addresses the perniciousness of wealth inequality for the entire American population, which could disproportionately benefit black Americans due to their exceptionally low levels of wealth. Indeed, the two strategies -- reparations for America’s record of racial injustice or the provision of the equivalent of a substantial trust fund for every wealth poor American —- need not be mutually exclusive.

In what follows, we come to grips with the ten most important, widely held myths about closing the racial wealth gap.

https://socialequity.duke.edu/sites/socialequity.duke.edu/files/site-images/FINAL%20COMPLETE%20REPORT_.pdf

Simon H., Monday, 16 April 2018 17:25 (one year ago) link

Reparations, surely. They just need to be carefully thought out so as to reduce unintended consequences, such as fraudsters and financial predators swooping in to skim off as much as they can.

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 16 April 2018 17:43 (one year ago) link

The difficulty of that layer of implementation is trivial compared to building the political capital required to get the job done.

Simon H., Monday, 16 April 2018 18:04 (one year ago) link

"just carefully thought out" is hardly trivial, it would be the part that kills a lot of the political capital.

Milking the Soft Power Dividend (dandydonweiner), Monday, 16 April 2018 19:27 (one year ago) link

Seems like it would be very hard to separate reparation from the implementation.

Milking the Soft Power Dividend (dandydonweiner), Monday, 16 April 2018 19:28 (one year ago) link

How many actually existing politicians are out there promoting reparations in any form? How many Americans have even been asked about the concept? But yeah, let's waste time fretting about implementation.

Simon H., Monday, 16 April 2018 19:30 (one year ago) link

A lot of people will be dismissive of concepts unless they are presented within the context of implementation. People may agree with it philosophically but be skeptical of how to actually get it done ("the devil is in the details").

Milking the Soft Power Dividend (dandydonweiner), Monday, 16 April 2018 19:41 (one year ago) link

A majority are perfectly fine to support Medicare for All *as a concept* without needing a 20-point implementation plan.

Simon H., Monday, 16 April 2018 19:44 (one year ago) link

I think those concepts are pretty different but if you think we can sell reparations at that level, then great.

Milking the Soft Power Dividend (dandydonweiner), Monday, 16 April 2018 20:01 (one year ago) link

Yeah, figuring out the details of a Reparations plan is nothing compared to get a majority of Americans on board.

(though the comparison with Medicare for All is dangerous. I'm still fairly sure a lot of Democrats are jumping aboard fully expecting it to fail once the trade offs become known. One is a feel good concept that's complex in implementation, the other is... let's say more divisive)

Frederik B, Monday, 16 April 2018 20:08 (one year ago) link

I'm not inviting a direct comparison, just saying that getting at least a baseline *familiarity* with the concept out there comes way first.

Simon H., Monday, 16 April 2018 20:09 (one year ago) link

so i’ve been thinking a lot about the politics of arguing with your friends’ racist families and friends on social media

and i have decided it is more classic than dud

the late great, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 22:49 (one year ago) link

A friend of ours has bought our kids a few childrens' books on activism. I sort of thought they were too mature for my 6 year old but she insisted on me reading them to her. One is about civil disobedience and has various examples of protesters getting arrested etc. I've been sort of concerned that her young mind might take the wrong message away -- that since she hasn't yet gotten the nuance of "police aren't always good," she might think the people getting arrested were bad.

This morning my 6 year old said "I'm glad I don't have brown skin, because then I would protest and get sent to jail." Not sure how to address that. I tried to explain that they wanted to go to jail, and that they didn't do something bad. But I'm not sure she got it.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Friday, 27 April 2018 14:32 (one year ago) link

The “Ordinary People Change The World” series by Brad Meltzer is the balm you and your 6yo need.

El Tomboto, Friday, 27 April 2018 14:46 (one year ago) link

xpost she might actually.. totally get it??

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 27 April 2018 14:51 (one year ago) link

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/05/a-new-lynching-memorial-confronts-americas-history-of-racial-terrorism.html

With brutal, unspeakable violence, white men affirmed their manhood, white communities affirmed their virtue, and the white South, as a whole, affirmed its power. To murder with impunity, in full view of the public, is to claim total authority. On the other side, both black men and black women were shown their essential powerlessness in Southern society. And the extent to which black women were lynched—Mary Turner, for instance was killed with her unborn child for complaining about the lynching of her husband—served to underscore the scant value attached to their lives and “womanly virtue.” If the master-slave relations of the antebellum South were shattered by the Civil War and Reconstruction, then lynching helped recreate them, albeit on more “democratic lines,” as all white Southerners—and not just a select, propertied few—could claim the right to kill. Lynching dramatized the South’s emerging caste system at the same time that it defined its terms.

That rigid caste system may be gone, but the central narrative of lynching—the lie of inherent black criminality—still shapes public life. Just weeks ago, 14-year-old Brennan Walker was shot at after knocking on a door in the predominantly white Rochester Hills, Michigan. The woman at the door thought he was there to rob them, and her husband, who heard her screams, ran down with his shotgun. Walker had simply stopped, on his way to school, to ask for directions. He was lucky. In 2013, 19-year-old Renisha McBride knocked on a door in a Dearborn Heights neighborhood, seeking help after a car crash. The homeowner, Theodore Wafer, opened his door and fired his shotgun, killing her. Compare both incidents to a lynching account presented at the memorial: “A black man was lynched in Millersburg, Ohio, in 1892 for ‘standing around’ in a white neighborhood.”

I have had no reason to ever travel to Montgomery, Alabama, but if I somehow wind up there, https://museumandmemorial.eji.org/ is obviously mandatory.

A collection of other stories on the National Memorial and the Legacy Museum is here: https://eji.org/national-memorial-and-legacy-museum-media

Not related to race, but from what I can tell it looks like there is some pretty impressive architectural / engineering sleight-of-hand going on, in that some of the pillars are structural, even though most of them aren't.

El Tomboto, Friday, 4 May 2018 15:42 (one year ago) link

three weeks pass...

http://www.historicalmaterialism.org/articles/afro-pessimism-and-unlogic-anti-blackness

thought this was absolutely storming piece against 'afro-pessimism' and Americanised conceptions of race, with lots of good stuff on Fanon, race as a technology of imperialism and 'non-black poc'

ogmor, Wednesday, 30 May 2018 11:06 (one year ago) link

It's a very good read that kinda convinces me, but then Morbs posted this on the Roseanne thread:

Roseanne should have stuck to saying insanely racist things about Palestinians, which is something that that you can do freely without consequence in the United States for some reason.

— Murtaza Mohammad Hussain (@MazMHussain) May 29, 2018


And I'm kinda back to thinking perhaps the afro-pessimists got a point as well...

Anyways, it's fair, careful and incisive. Great read! Even though I'm not sure I buy the overall 'settler colonial' framework, that framework seems kinda disconnected from the actual history of the non-european world. But I need to dive further into that at some point.

Frederik B, Wednesday, 30 May 2018 12:44 (one year ago) link

Real situation I was just confronted with: what happens when your younger black friends in academia have requested that you (me), a white man, drop "slave" from your vocabulary in favor of "enslaved people" due to the belief that term provides more agency and humanity to the generations of black people who were held in bondage here against their will and without mercy, but then a friend of a friend, an older black woman also in academia, calls you out for using the term "enslaved people" and says her ancestors were indeed slaves and that the softening of the language around that is offensive?

I don't know if this is a young/old divide or not, but the last thing I want to do is show my ass if I ever find myself in this conversational pivot again.

White people problems are barely even problems, I know, but any guidance here would be appreciated.

Johnny Fever, Sunday, 10 June 2018 21:58 (one year ago) link

Adjust your language to different generations? I understand this only works for conversations and not written text and it is painfully obvious but I’ve been in a similar situation when discussing sexual assault with younger and older women in the context of #metoo and thats the only method I found. However, my context is outside academia and those not include written text.

Van Horn Street, Sunday, 10 June 2018 22:26 (one year ago) link

My take: You’re in a unique position to broker and explain the differences in perception that can come from usage. Use your privilege for good, as an educator, but not an arbiter.

El Tomboto, Sunday, 10 June 2018 22:31 (one year ago) link

Also everyone is allowed to take issue with you as necessary- that’s what being a trust broker means, whenever complicated shit comes up.

El Tomboto, Sunday, 10 June 2018 22:33 (one year ago) link

My take: You’re in a unique position to broker and explain the differences in perception that can come from usage.

Good answer!

Simon H., Sunday, 10 June 2018 22:36 (one year ago) link

I should point out that I'm in no way involved in academia. I just seem to have found myself fortunate enough to have several scholars in my life.

Johnny Fever, Sunday, 10 June 2018 22:38 (one year ago) link

i've had some fun times reading the alt-papers this week. seattle's stranger has this to say about cameron whitten:

https://www.thestranger.com/slog/2018/06/07/27192471/portland-in-flames-after-alleged-racist-incident-at-vegan-bakery

in the meantime, the portland mercury has this to say about cameron whitten:

https://www.portlandmercury.com/news/2018/06/06/20394535/alt-right-trolls-put-local-businesses-on-edge-for-hosting-reparations-happy-hour

Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Sunday, 10 June 2018 23:27 (one year ago) link

three weeks pass...

Par for the course in Quebec...

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/04/arts/music/protests-shutter-a-show-that-cast-white-singers-as-black-slaves.html

The production bills itself as a “theatrical odyssey” inspired by “traditional African-American slave and work songs.” It also features a nearly all-white cast performing the music. Its director, Mr. Lepage, is white, as is its star Betty Bonifassi. Two of the seven cast members are black, including Kattia Thony, who plays a young black woman searching for the roots of her identity.

On Wednesday, the storm proved too much, and the jazz festival and Ms. Bonifassi canceled the show after only two performances. It had sold more than 8,000 tickets and was scheduled for 16 performances. The festival said it had been “shaken” by the intensity of the response. “We would like to apologize to those who were hurt,” it said in a statement. “It was not our intention at all.”

The anger provoked by the production had been visceral and swift as artists of all stripes asked why Mr. Lepage hadn’t bothered to hire more black actors and singers. The production also raised thorny questions about how to differentiate cultural appreciation from cultural appropriation and accusations, fairly or not, that its white creators had engaged in a modern-day form of blackface.

Van Horn Street, Friday, 6 July 2018 18:06 (one year ago) link

four weeks pass...

https://nextshark.com/crazy-rich-asians-poster-vandalized-racist-comments-vancouver-nothing-will-shake-us-says-director/

A theatrical poster of “Crazy Rich Asians” in Vancouver, Canada was vandalized with racist comments ahead of the movie’s opening this month.

F# A# (∞), Sunday, 5 August 2018 16:40 (one year ago) link

Several incidents of racial harassment or low-level assault in Ontario over the last week or two getting shared a lot. I don't know where it's coming from:

https://www.facebook.com/teejay.meer/videos/10156095612873591/UzpfSTgwNTU4MDE2NDoxMDE2MDcyMjg3MzE2MDE2NQ/
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/london/race-incident-london-sobeys-1.4768191
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/white-man-threatens-kill-indian-13000193

Security appear to be restraining or taking away the victims in the first video (about 2 wks old) rather than doing anything against the aggressor.

Guy kept yelling about "my province" which who tf gets that way about Ontario?

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Sunday, 5 August 2018 17:03 (one year ago) link

I made the mistake of reading the comments on F#A#'s article.

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Sunday, 5 August 2018 17:04 (one year ago) link

Ugh. Let's hope this won't snowball.

pomenitul, Sunday, 5 August 2018 17:09 (one year ago) link

it's bad all around i'd say

F# A# (∞), Sunday, 5 August 2018 17:32 (one year ago) link

two weeks pass...

National Book Award winner Ibram Kendi has some thoughts, and a new antiracist center in Washington.

The goal is to identify inequalities, identify the policies that create and maintain those inequalities, and propose correctives in six areas: criminal justice, education, economics, health, environment and politics. Kendi also hopes to create an online library of anti-racist thinking. He’s still considering initial projects.

But when he talks about racism, he is not still puzzling out his ideas. Kendi has spent thousands of hours reading thousands of documents, including “some of the most horrific things that have ever been said about black people,” to uncover the origins of racist thought. His words are distilled, precise, authoritative. His voice never rises. He is, temperamentally, an antidote to the heat of the subject matter and the hyperbole of the times.

“We have been taught that ignorance and hate lead to racist ideas, lead to racist policies,” Kendi said. “If the fundamental problem is ignorance and hate, then your solutions are going to be focused on education, and love and persuasion. But of course [Stamped from the Beginning] shows that the actual foundation of racism is not ignorance and hate, but self-interest, particularly economic and political and cultural.” Self-interest drives racist policies that benefit that self-interest. When the policies are challenged because they produce inequalities, racist ideas spring up to justify those policies. Hate flows freely from there.

https://theundefeated.com/features/ibram-kendi-leading-scholar-of-racism-says-education-and-love-are-not-the-answer/

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Friday, 24 August 2018 02:03 (one year ago) link

one month passes...

Van Dyke murder trial verdict to be read at any moment.

Karl Malone, Friday, 5 October 2018 18:44 (one year ago) link

Guilty, 2nd degree murder.
Guilty of 16 separate counts (one for each shot fired) of aggravated battery with a firearm
Not Guilty of official misconduct

Karl Malone, Friday, 5 October 2018 18:58 (one year ago) link

and not guilty on 1st degree murder

Karl Malone, Friday, 5 October 2018 18:59 (one year ago) link

two weeks pass...

weird that we don't have a racism in europe thread so putting this here

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/23/travel/racism-travel-italy-study-abroad.html

F# A# (∞), Thursday, 25 October 2018 18:45 (one year ago) link

This is a racism thread. It covers racism anywhere. The predominance of US racism as a topic here is merely a byproduct, not a dictate.

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 25 October 2018 18:48 (one year ago) link

it's cuz we're so good at it

Οὖτις, Thursday, 25 October 2018 18:53 (one year ago) link

two weeks pass...

youtube is recommending me a video where a young white man with a beard calling himself "the pop song professor" explains the lyrics to "how much a dollar cost"

please try to remember this the next time somebody asks why white people hate themselves

dub pilates (rushomancy), Sunday, 11 November 2018 15:56 (one year ago) link

I don't get it.

pomenitul, Sunday, 11 November 2018 15:59 (one year ago) link

re: dude who was arrested for following doctor's orders, I really want the hospital to weigh in on this

brigadier pudding (DJP), Friday, 28 June 2019 20:28 (five months ago) link

half expected the cops to claim they mistook the IV for a weapon

Οὖτις, Friday, 28 June 2019 20:31 (five months ago) link

did they think the hospital gown was a disguise?????

j., Friday, 28 June 2019 20:35 (five months ago) link

They thought they had someone they could brutalize who wouldn't fight back.

brigadier pudding (DJP), Friday, 28 June 2019 20:49 (five months ago) link

"Police urge people not to rush ‘to judgement against the police without all the information..."

Dukes was ultimately charged with disorderly conduct, after an investigation revealed he had no intention of stealing the IV stand, said Freeport police Lt. Andrew Schroeder.

A full investigation revealed that after coming all this way police were able to determine that the suspect who was by the way no angel was clearly guilty of something because otherwise we wouldn't be here now would we? Case closed!

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Friday, 28 June 2019 21:30 (five months ago) link

"disorderly conduct" is cop-speak for not being appropriately deferential to the thin blue line that separates us from the savages/not thanking them for hassling you

Οὖτις, Friday, 28 June 2019 21:35 (five months ago) link

Police urge people not to rush ‘to judgement against the police without all the information’

Should I give the site the benefit of the doubt and assume the reason they used this quote to lead the article is out of irony?

viborg, Saturday, 29 June 2019 00:05 (five months ago) link

one month passes...

Horrible.

pomenitul, Wednesday, 7 August 2019 10:54 (three months ago) link

jesus.

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 7 August 2019 11:20 (three months ago) link

https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/12/entertainment/sarah-silverman-blackface-scli-intl/index.html

I think this is a ridiculous overreaction to a great sketch that was a top-to-bottom condemnation of racism and blackface

brigadier pudding (DJP), Monday, 12 August 2019 21:05 (three months ago) link

She did a huuuuuuge mea culpa for thatvepisode on her current show (I Love You America) last year, which was interesting

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 01:57 (three months ago) link

What's the word for when someone apologizes for something they shouldn't need to?

Pauline Male (Eric H.), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 02:15 (three months ago) link

I was sure Chris Cuomo would figure into this thread revive.

Simon H., Tuesday, 13 August 2019 02:24 (three months ago) link

Absolutely essential story: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/09/this-land-was-our-land/594742/

Frederik B, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 10:42 (three months ago) link

This cosmic balance sheet underpins the national conversation—ever more robust—about reparations for black Americans. In that conversation, given momentum in part by the publication of Ta-Nehisi Coates’s “The Case for Reparations” in this magazine in 2014, I hear echoes of Mississippi. I hear echoes of Hamer, the Scotts, Henry Woodard Sr., and others who petitioned the federal government to hold itself accountable for a history of extraction that has extended well beyond enslavement. But that conversation too easily becomes technical. How do we quantify discrimination? How do we define who was discriminated against? How do we repay those people according to what has been defined and quantified? The idea of reparations sometimes seems like a problem of economic rightsizing—something for the quants and wonks to work out.

Economics is, of course, a major consideration. According to the researchers Francis and Hamilton, “The dispossession of black agricultural land resulted in the loss of hundreds of billions of dollars of black wealth. We must emphasize this estimate is conservative … Depending on multiplier effects, rates of returns, and other factors, it could reach into the trillions.” The large wealth gap between white and black families today exists in part because of this historic loss.

But money does not define every dimension of land theft. Were it not for dispossession, Mississippi today might well be a majority-black state, with a radically different political destiny. Imagine the difference in our national politics if the center of gravity of black electoral strength had remained in the South after the Voting Rights Act was passed.

Frederik B, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 11:00 (three months ago) link

I was sure Chris Cuomo would figure into this thread revive.

I just watched that clip and loooooooooooooooool

brigadier pudding (DJP), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 11:29 (three months ago) link

straight outta that sopranos episode

k3vin k., Tuesday, 13 August 2019 12:01 (three months ago) link

I've never heard of "I'll ruin your shit" before

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 12:03 (three months ago) link

I'm simultaneously like "what ridiculous nonsense" and "RUIN HIS SHIT, CHRIS; STRAIGHT UP MURDER HIM"

brigadier pudding (DJP), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 13:18 (three months ago) link

How to solve racism in 'Murica forever:

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2019/aug/15/white-professor-investigated-quoting-james-baldwin-use-of-n-word-laurie-sheck

pomenitul, Thursday, 15 August 2019 13:54 (three months ago) link

Sheck told Inside Higher Education that a white student had objected to her language. According to Sheck, she questioned the student about her objection, who said she had been told by a previous professor that white people should never use the term. At the end of term, the student gave a presentation about racism at the New School.

comedy descending notes played on a muted trumpet

bookmarkflaglink (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 15 August 2019 16:21 (three months ago) link

or trombone rather

bookmarkflaglink (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 15 August 2019 16:28 (three months ago) link

one month passes...

That Justin Trudeau is out of control.

Let them eat Pfifferlinge an Schneckensauce (Tom D.), Wednesday, 25 September 2019 06:49 (two months ago) link

Ugh indeed.

pomenitul, Wednesday, 25 September 2019 08:34 (two months ago) link

they really should add on to that lonely slave heritage statue that was an auction block: "the Tayloe family traded slaves here, probably still would if they could" and just let the lawsuits roll

mh, Thursday, 26 September 2019 04:00 (two months ago) link

that case SLAPPs

brigadier pudding (DJP), Thursday, 26 September 2019 12:36 (two months ago) link

otm

mh, Thursday, 26 September 2019 13:37 (two months ago) link

in all the right places

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, 26 September 2019 13:38 (two months ago) link

you guys, this story is like a series of racist nesting dolls

https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/27/us/carson-king-aaron-calvin-des-moines-register-trnd/index.html

brigadier pudding (DJP), Friday, 27 September 2019 15:22 (two months ago) link

I have been actively trying to ignore it, as it gets dumber with every update.
This is the best coverage imo: https://deadspin.com/is-beer-money-sign-man-sorry-for-old-racist-tweets-1838457224

mh, Friday, 27 September 2019 15:43 (two months ago) link

ha

I can't wait for the editor's old racist tweets to resurface

brigadier pudding (DJP), Friday, 27 September 2019 15:45 (two months ago) link

It's a Gannett paper, so the salary is crap and the majority of the staff is probably below age 25. I give it.. a day or two at most

mh, Friday, 27 September 2019 16:28 (two months ago) link

I can't spare the brain cells to investigate the entire timeline of this but at least one of the racist tweeters involved was 16 at the time? Do I understand that correctly?

Gotta say I'm glad there was no social med when I was 16 to catalog the things I firmly believed at the time bc the evangelical church told me to. o_____O

There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Friday, 27 September 2019 16:32 (two months ago) link

Not saying 16 yos shouldn't be held accountable, just saying I'm grateful to be old.

There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Friday, 27 September 2019 16:33 (two months ago) link

Yeah I mean, I think this largely played out correctly? Dude raised money, shit was brought up from his past, he gave what I thought was a legit apology, the corporate sponsor did the predictable corporate sponsor thing, the hospital is still getting money, everything is good and golden.

Where it gets funny is when the reporter's shit pops up

brigadier pudding (DJP), Friday, 27 September 2019 16:35 (two months ago) link

I feel dumber every moment I hear about this story, and never need to hear coworkers talk about it again, but here we go

1. Guy holds up stupid sign with his venmo address asking for beer money for busch light at state's largest college football event
2. Fans send him ridiculous amount of money
3. He vows to send money to a children's hospital, beer company says they'll match it and send him a bunch of beer. Dumb ploy makes good for everyone, ok so far
4. Local paper reporter decides to check out guy before publishing another article, finds idiot racist teenage tweets
5. Paper reaches out to guy saying they found this, deciding what to do with it
6. Guy preemptively tells everyone he was an idiot teen, is no longer idiot teen
7. Paper writes round-up on all that has happened, tries to make clear they were preempted
7a. College football fans go nuts trying to figure out how to cancel their nonexistent newspaper subscriptions
8. Beer company still going to donate money, not going to give guy free beer
8a. Some fans with poor reading comprehension think beer company is not giving money to hospital, vow to never drink their beer again
9. Reporter who initially found racist tweets investigated by roving mob of online college football fans, racist tweets found
9a. Fans attempt to destroy reporter in addition to paper, salt earth

I have not worked from the office today and have heard nothing more

mh, Friday, 27 September 2019 16:43 (two months ago) link

xp yeah, everything resolved relatively ok, other than the college football fans who are trying to figure out where to aim the torches and pitchforks still roaming around. apparently the reporter is fired now?

the governor was/is proclaiming a state day after the beer donation guy, but I'm unsure whether it was before or after the racist tweet debacle. I'm assuming after, because the governor is an idiot

mh, Friday, 27 September 2019 16:46 (two months ago) link

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/opinion/columnists/from-the-editor/2019/09/26/carson-king-tweet-editor-response-investigation-iowa-childrens-hospital-donations/3780741002/

I'm hoping this dies, but I'm also wondering if the beer guy's going to be outed as the son of a racist cop

mh, Friday, 27 September 2019 16:51 (two months ago) link

you get a milkshake duck! and you get a milkshake duck! everybody gets a milkshake duck!

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 27 September 2019 16:55 (two months ago) link

everybody IS a milkshake duck inside a larger, slightly more racist milkshake duck

brigadier pudding (DJP), Friday, 27 September 2019 16:56 (two months ago) link

it's completely wild to me that companies, like newspapers, let reporters use their existing twitter accounts (and get them verified) when they become reporters

and also amazing that people would want their twitter presence, including all existing tweets, linked to their employer in that way

mh, Friday, 27 September 2019 17:00 (two months ago) link

I KNOW RIGHT

I say absolutely NOTHING about my job on Twitter and am prepared to nuke the entire account if I ever become famous and I haven't really said all that much that's controversial

brigadier pudding (DJP), Friday, 27 September 2019 17:01 (two months ago) link

xxp to djp, see now THAT i would truth bomb!

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 27 September 2019 17:02 (two months ago) link

lol this reminds me of my friend who is very good at many things but was very naive about social profile in the past. his idea was that he has no real regrets portraying any part of his life to the world, nbd

so he was a little confused when a friend asked him to remove pictures of her at a party at his place, or at least remove her name, but came around to it. the final nail in the coffin was probably when he absent-mindedly posted a picture of his new drivers license because the picture was funny, and forgot to obscure details. you've heard of identity theft? that's how you get identity theft.

I did say naive, right? going to stick with that out of kindness

mh, Friday, 27 September 2019 17:12 (two months ago) link

looooooooool

brigadier pudding (DJP), Friday, 27 September 2019 17:13 (two months ago) link

The longevity of these accounts is fascinating. There have been enough times where I dive into someone's Facebook photos and then scamper right back out as soon as the sixth-grade church camp photos appear.

Not saying I'm without a little guilt: Beeps has already gotten on to me after she found kid photos of her on my Instagram. But Beeps! I said, that account is locked and private!

Good thing she hasn't found this place yet.

Anyway. Good thing this is an Iowa newspaper. Otherwise, we'd be waiting on "This just in... Newspaper endorsed Dred Scott decision..."

pplains, Saturday, 28 September 2019 00:57 (two months ago) link

one month passes...

https://www.citylab.com/equity/2016/08/half-of-wisconsins-black-neighborhoods-are-jails/495152/

Sharing this info on the Young, Gifted, and Black Coalition’s blog, Blank explains that he used the Racial Dot Map to identify where predominantly black neighborhoods—defined as “a certain area where the majority of residents are African Americans”—are located throughout the state. There are 56 of them, 31 of which are either jails or prisons. There are 15 cities where the only black neighborhood is a jail. The city of Winnebago claims it has an African-American population of more than 19 percent, but most, if not all, of that black population is located among one of four correctional facilities there. It’s perhaps no wonder that Wisconsin perennially comes up as the worst place for African Americans to live in the country.

old but, man

j., Saturday, 23 November 2019 03:26 (one week ago) link


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