Rolling 2018 Thread on Race

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i'll start this off by opening a can of worms

i keep reading articles like this

how is this different from telling PoC to sit down and shut up?

the late great, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 20:50 (one year ago) link

the trump budget is the most racist in a long, long time

reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 20:56 (one year ago) link

Trump budget being the most racist in decades == Trump fulfilling his implicit and explicit campaign promises to be the most racist administration in decades

A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 21:06 (one year ago) link

one month passes...

In our most recent study, we analyze racial differences in economic opportunity using data on 20 million children and their parents. We show black children have much lower rates of upward mobility and higher rates of downward mobility than white children, leading to black-white income disparities that persist across generations. While Hispanic and black Americans presently have comparable incomes, the incomes of Hispanic Americans are increasing steadily across generations.

The black-white gap in upward mobility is driven entirely by differences in men’s, not women’s, outcomes. Black and white men have very different outcomes even if they grow up in two-parent families with comparable incomes, education, and wealth; live on the same city block; and attend the same school. Black-white gaps are smaller in low-poverty neighborhoods with lower levels of racial bias among whites and a larger fraction of black fathers at home. We conclude that reducing the black-white income gap will require efforts whose impacts cross neighborhood and class lines and increase upward mobility specifically for black men.

The new data shows that 21 percent of black men raised at the very bottom were incarcerated, according to a snapshot of a single day during the 2010 census. Black men raised in the top 1 percent — by millionaires — were as likely to be incarcerated as white men raised in households earning about $36,000.

k3vin k., Monday, 19 March 2018 19:31 (one year ago) link

that last sentence is staggering

Louis Jägermeister (jim in vancouver), Monday, 19 March 2018 19:37 (one year ago) link

I am very glad to have this study widely available to support the anecdotal evidence I have been arguing from when people try to tell me that if we just focus on economic issues, things will improve drastically for black people as a side-effect.

Embalming is a flirty business (DJP), Monday, 19 March 2018 19:40 (one year ago) link

three weeks pass...

POS tried to hide behind "you didn't see the entire video, maaaan" defense until realizing his Ring doorbell captured the whole incident. then woman has audacity to call 911 to report break-in attempt.

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Saturday, 14 April 2018 17:32 (one year ago) link

This story. Man...

My son is 11. I remember him kicking or throwing balls into neighbors' yards and wanting to go in and just get his stuff.

I made the case that he should always go to the neighbor's house, knock, and ask if they can get his stuff or ask their permission to go get it. This story is the kind of story that makes you think...maybe just call the ball a loss and go play in a park instead of a backyard. Safer that way.

The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 14 April 2018 17:45 (one year ago) link

yea, it's fucking horrifying.

the infuriating thing is, once again, we have to wonder if, despite the recording, if dude will be convicted.

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Saturday, 14 April 2018 17:55 (one year ago) link

He’s not a police officer; he’s going to be convicted.

Embalming is a flirty business (DJP), Saturday, 14 April 2018 23:28 (one year ago) link

Big ol' study on the US racial wealth gap

Addressing racial wealth inequality will require a major redistributive effort or another major public policy intervention to build black American wealth. This could take the form of a direct race-specific initiative like a dramatic reparations program tied to compensation for the legacies of slavery and Jim Crow, and/or an initiative that addresses the perniciousness of wealth inequality for the entire American population, which could disproportionately benefit black Americans due to their exceptionally low levels of wealth. Indeed, the two strategies -- reparations for America’s record of racial injustice or the provision of the equivalent of a substantial trust fund for every wealth poor American —- need not be mutually exclusive.

In what follows, we come to grips with the ten most important, widely held myths about closing the racial wealth gap.

Simon H., Monday, 16 April 2018 17:25 (one year ago) link

Reparations, surely. They just need to be carefully thought out so as to reduce unintended consequences, such as fraudsters and financial predators swooping in to skim off as much as they can.

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 16 April 2018 17:43 (one year ago) link

The difficulty of that layer of implementation is trivial compared to building the political capital required to get the job done.

Simon H., Monday, 16 April 2018 18:04 (one year ago) link

"just carefully thought out" is hardly trivial, it would be the part that kills a lot of the political capital.

Milking the Soft Power Dividend (dandydonweiner), Monday, 16 April 2018 19:27 (one year ago) link

Seems like it would be very hard to separate reparation from the implementation.

Milking the Soft Power Dividend (dandydonweiner), Monday, 16 April 2018 19:28 (one year ago) link

How many actually existing politicians are out there promoting reparations in any form? How many Americans have even been asked about the concept? But yeah, let's waste time fretting about implementation.

Simon H., Monday, 16 April 2018 19:30 (one year ago) link

A lot of people will be dismissive of concepts unless they are presented within the context of implementation. People may agree with it philosophically but be skeptical of how to actually get it done ("the devil is in the details").

Milking the Soft Power Dividend (dandydonweiner), Monday, 16 April 2018 19:41 (one year ago) link

A majority are perfectly fine to support Medicare for All *as a concept* without needing a 20-point implementation plan.

Simon H., Monday, 16 April 2018 19:44 (one year ago) link

I think those concepts are pretty different but if you think we can sell reparations at that level, then great.

Milking the Soft Power Dividend (dandydonweiner), Monday, 16 April 2018 20:01 (one year ago) link

Yeah, figuring out the details of a Reparations plan is nothing compared to get a majority of Americans on board.

(though the comparison with Medicare for All is dangerous. I'm still fairly sure a lot of Democrats are jumping aboard fully expecting it to fail once the trade offs become known. One is a feel good concept that's complex in implementation, the other is... let's say more divisive)

Frederik B, Monday, 16 April 2018 20:08 (one year ago) link

I'm not inviting a direct comparison, just saying that getting at least a baseline *familiarity* with the concept out there comes way first.

Simon H., Monday, 16 April 2018 20:09 (one year ago) link

so i’ve been thinking a lot about the politics of arguing with your friends’ racist families and friends on social media

and i have decided it is more classic than dud

the late great, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 22:49 (one year ago) link

A friend of ours has bought our kids a few childrens' books on activism. I sort of thought they were too mature for my 6 year old but she insisted on me reading them to her. One is about civil disobedience and has various examples of protesters getting arrested etc. I've been sort of concerned that her young mind might take the wrong message away -- that since she hasn't yet gotten the nuance of "police aren't always good," she might think the people getting arrested were bad.

This morning my 6 year old said "I'm glad I don't have brown skin, because then I would protest and get sent to jail." Not sure how to address that. I tried to explain that they wanted to go to jail, and that they didn't do something bad. But I'm not sure she got it.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Friday, 27 April 2018 14:32 (one year ago) link

The “Ordinary People Change The World” series by Brad Meltzer is the balm you and your 6yo need.

El Tomboto, Friday, 27 April 2018 14:46 (one year ago) link

xpost she might actually.. totally get it??

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 27 April 2018 14:51 (one year ago) link

With brutal, unspeakable violence, white men affirmed their manhood, white communities affirmed their virtue, and the white South, as a whole, affirmed its power. To murder with impunity, in full view of the public, is to claim total authority. On the other side, both black men and black women were shown their essential powerlessness in Southern society. And the extent to which black women were lynched—Mary Turner, for instance was killed with her unborn child for complaining about the lynching of her husband—served to underscore the scant value attached to their lives and “womanly virtue.” If the master-slave relations of the antebellum South were shattered by the Civil War and Reconstruction, then lynching helped recreate them, albeit on more “democratic lines,” as all white Southerners—and not just a select, propertied few—could claim the right to kill. Lynching dramatized the South’s emerging caste system at the same time that it defined its terms.

That rigid caste system may be gone, but the central narrative of lynching—the lie of inherent black criminality—still shapes public life. Just weeks ago, 14-year-old Brennan Walker was shot at after knocking on a door in the predominantly white Rochester Hills, Michigan. The woman at the door thought he was there to rob them, and her husband, who heard her screams, ran down with his shotgun. Walker had simply stopped, on his way to school, to ask for directions. He was lucky. In 2013, 19-year-old Renisha McBride knocked on a door in a Dearborn Heights neighborhood, seeking help after a car crash. The homeowner, Theodore Wafer, opened his door and fired his shotgun, killing her. Compare both incidents to a lynching account presented at the memorial: “A black man was lynched in Millersburg, Ohio, in 1892 for ‘standing around’ in a white neighborhood.”

I have had no reason to ever travel to Montgomery, Alabama, but if I somehow wind up there, is obviously mandatory.

A collection of other stories on the National Memorial and the Legacy Museum is here:

Not related to race, but from what I can tell it looks like there is some pretty impressive architectural / engineering sleight-of-hand going on, in that some of the pillars are structural, even though most of them aren't.

El Tomboto, Friday, 4 May 2018 15:42 (one year ago) link

three weeks pass...

thought this was absolutely storming piece against 'afro-pessimism' and Americanised conceptions of race, with lots of good stuff on Fanon, race as a technology of imperialism and 'non-black poc'

ogmor, Wednesday, 30 May 2018 11:06 (one year ago) link

It's a very good read that kinda convinces me, but then Morbs posted this on the Roseanne thread:

Roseanne should have stuck to saying insanely racist things about Palestinians, which is something that that you can do freely without consequence in the United States for some reason.

— Murtaza Mohammad Hussain (@MazMHussain) May 29, 2018

And I'm kinda back to thinking perhaps the afro-pessimists got a point as well...

Anyways, it's fair, careful and incisive. Great read! Even though I'm not sure I buy the overall 'settler colonial' framework, that framework seems kinda disconnected from the actual history of the non-european world. But I need to dive further into that at some point.

Frederik B, Wednesday, 30 May 2018 12:44 (one year ago) link

Real situation I was just confronted with: what happens when your younger black friends in academia have requested that you (me), a white man, drop "slave" from your vocabulary in favor of "enslaved people" due to the belief that term provides more agency and humanity to the generations of black people who were held in bondage here against their will and without mercy, but then a friend of a friend, an older black woman also in academia, calls you out for using the term "enslaved people" and says her ancestors were indeed slaves and that the softening of the language around that is offensive?

I don't know if this is a young/old divide or not, but the last thing I want to do is show my ass if I ever find myself in this conversational pivot again.

White people problems are barely even problems, I know, but any guidance here would be appreciated.

Johnny Fever, Sunday, 10 June 2018 21:58 (one year ago) link

Adjust your language to different generations? I understand this only works for conversations and not written text and it is painfully obvious but I’ve been in a similar situation when discussing sexual assault with younger and older women in the context of #metoo and thats the only method I found. However, my context is outside academia and those not include written text.

Van Horn Street, Sunday, 10 June 2018 22:26 (one year ago) link

My take: You’re in a unique position to broker and explain the differences in perception that can come from usage. Use your privilege for good, as an educator, but not an arbiter.

El Tomboto, Sunday, 10 June 2018 22:31 (one year ago) link

Also everyone is allowed to take issue with you as necessary- that’s what being a trust broker means, whenever complicated shit comes up.

El Tomboto, Sunday, 10 June 2018 22:33 (one year ago) link

My take: You’re in a unique position to broker and explain the differences in perception that can come from usage.

Good answer!

Simon H., Sunday, 10 June 2018 22:36 (one year ago) link

I should point out that I'm in no way involved in academia. I just seem to have found myself fortunate enough to have several scholars in my life.

Johnny Fever, Sunday, 10 June 2018 22:38 (one year ago) link

i've had some fun times reading the alt-papers this week. seattle's stranger has this to say about cameron whitten:

in the meantime, the portland mercury has this to say about cameron whitten:

Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Sunday, 10 June 2018 23:27 (one year ago) link

three weeks pass...

Par for the course in Quebec...

The production bills itself as a “theatrical odyssey” inspired by “traditional African-American slave and work songs.” It also features a nearly all-white cast performing the music. Its director, Mr. Lepage, is white, as is its star Betty Bonifassi. Two of the seven cast members are black, including Kattia Thony, who plays a young black woman searching for the roots of her identity.

On Wednesday, the storm proved too much, and the jazz festival and Ms. Bonifassi canceled the show after only two performances. It had sold more than 8,000 tickets and was scheduled for 16 performances. The festival said it had been “shaken” by the intensity of the response. “We would like to apologize to those who were hurt,” it said in a statement. “It was not our intention at all.”

The anger provoked by the production had been visceral and swift as artists of all stripes asked why Mr. Lepage hadn’t bothered to hire more black actors and singers. The production also raised thorny questions about how to differentiate cultural appreciation from cultural appropriation and accusations, fairly or not, that its white creators had engaged in a modern-day form of blackface.

Van Horn Street, Friday, 6 July 2018 18:06 (one year ago) link

four weeks pass...

A theatrical poster of “Crazy Rich Asians” in Vancouver, Canada was vandalized with racist comments ahead of the movie’s opening this month.

F# A# (∞), Sunday, 5 August 2018 16:40 (one year ago) link

Several incidents of racial harassment or low-level assault in Ontario over the last week or two getting shared a lot. I don't know where it's coming from:

Security appear to be restraining or taking away the victims in the first video (about 2 wks old) rather than doing anything against the aggressor.

Guy kept yelling about "my province" which who tf gets that way about Ontario?

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Sunday, 5 August 2018 17:03 (one year ago) link

I made the mistake of reading the comments on F#A#'s article.

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Sunday, 5 August 2018 17:04 (one year ago) link

Ugh. Let's hope this won't snowball.

pomenitul, Sunday, 5 August 2018 17:09 (one year ago) link

it's bad all around i'd say

F# A# (∞), Sunday, 5 August 2018 17:32 (one year ago) link

two weeks pass...

National Book Award winner Ibram Kendi has some thoughts, and a new antiracist center in Washington.

The goal is to identify inequalities, identify the policies that create and maintain those inequalities, and propose correctives in six areas: criminal justice, education, economics, health, environment and politics. Kendi also hopes to create an online library of anti-racist thinking. He’s still considering initial projects.

But when he talks about racism, he is not still puzzling out his ideas. Kendi has spent thousands of hours reading thousands of documents, including “some of the most horrific things that have ever been said about black people,” to uncover the origins of racist thought. His words are distilled, precise, authoritative. His voice never rises. He is, temperamentally, an antidote to the heat of the subject matter and the hyperbole of the times.

“We have been taught that ignorance and hate lead to racist ideas, lead to racist policies,” Kendi said. “If the fundamental problem is ignorance and hate, then your solutions are going to be focused on education, and love and persuasion. But of course [Stamped from the Beginning] shows that the actual foundation of racism is not ignorance and hate, but self-interest, particularly economic and political and cultural.” Self-interest drives racist policies that benefit that self-interest. When the policies are challenged because they produce inequalities, racist ideas spring up to justify those policies. Hate flows freely from there.

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Friday, 24 August 2018 02:03 (eleven months ago) link

one month passes...

Van Dyke murder trial verdict to be read at any moment.

Karl Malone, Friday, 5 October 2018 18:44 (ten months ago) link

Guilty, 2nd degree murder.
Guilty of 16 separate counts (one for each shot fired) of aggravated battery with a firearm
Not Guilty of official misconduct

Karl Malone, Friday, 5 October 2018 18:58 (ten months ago) link

and not guilty on 1st degree murder

Karl Malone, Friday, 5 October 2018 18:59 (ten months ago) link

two weeks pass...

weird that we don't have a racism in europe thread so putting this here

F# A# (∞), Thursday, 25 October 2018 18:45 (nine months ago) link

This is a racism thread. It covers racism anywhere. The predominance of US racism as a topic here is merely a byproduct, not a dictate.

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 25 October 2018 18:48 (nine months ago) link

it's cuz we're so good at it

Οὖτις, Thursday, 25 October 2018 18:53 (nine months ago) link

two weeks pass...

youtube is recommending me a video where a young white man with a beard calling himself "the pop song professor" explains the lyrics to "how much a dollar cost"

please try to remember this the next time somebody asks why white people hate themselves

dub pilates (rushomancy), Sunday, 11 November 2018 15:56 (nine months ago) link

I don't get it.

pomenitul, Sunday, 11 November 2018 15:59 (nine months ago) link

a really, really sad story, at the intersection of america's problems with guns and racism

Jemel Roberson, 26, was working early Sunday at Manny’s Blue Room ― a bar in the predominantly black Chicago suburb of Robbins, Illinois ― when a patron who was part of a drunken group that had been kicked out returned with a gun at 4 a.m. and opened fire, according to the Chicago Sun-Times. Several people were shot.

Roberson, who was armed at the time, grabbed one of the men, held him down and waited for police, according to witnesses.

However when the police arrived, one of the officers shot at Roberson, who died later.

[A witness] said the officer shot an innocent man and that people on the scene tried to warn police that Roberson was a security guard.

“Everybody was screaming out, ‘Security!’ He was a security guard ... and they still did their job, and saw a black man with a gun, and basically killed him,” Harris said.

Karl Malone, Monday, 12 November 2018 23:44 (nine months ago) link

This interview with Wesley Yang is interesting.

grawlix (unperson), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 21:05 (nine months ago) link

But Mark Loughry, the administrator of Leavenworth County, which is just outside Kansas City, said in a statement that Mr. Klemp’s comments were misconstrued and had nothing to do with Nazism.

Mr. Loughry said Mr. Klemp had used the term “master race” several times in the past year to refer to people with gaps in their front teeth, and his comment was meant to include both Ms. Penelton and himself.

j., Sunday, 18 November 2018 02:31 (nine months ago) link

annie olaloku-teriba who wrote the piece on afro-pessimism i linked upthread in may had an interesting interview on the groundings podcast with some particularly interesting stuff on the relationship between afro pessimism, anti blackness and black nationalism

ogmor, Tuesday, 27 November 2018 12:12 (eight months ago) link

Dorchester historical society apologizes, says it's horrified by Christmas card it sent out to advertise an upcoming event.

— WBZ NewsRadio (@wbznewsradio) November 27, 2018

I feel like I'm missing something here. I mean, it's obvious they're talking about snow. "Dreaming of a white [fill in the blank]" is an extremely common phrase about hoping it will snow. Why is this so obviously a racist faux pas? Is it because they used "Dorchester" instead of "Christmas"? I guess usually it's Christmas but idk, I still feel like that's a stretch.

evol j, Tuesday, 27 November 2018 15:57 (eight months ago) link

can't believe they misspelled 'genocide' as 'dorchester', that's a real fuckup

sign up for my waterless urinals webinar (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 27 November 2018 15:59 (eight months ago) link

Several dozen teaching assistants at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill started a strike Friday, saying that they will withhold student grades as long as the university moves ahead with the idea of constructing a building to house the Confederate monument known as Silent Sam. The strike comes after classes have finished for the semester and students are preparing for final exams and normally would be soon receiving final grades.

j., Saturday, 8 December 2018 04:30 (eight months ago) link

the comments... god help me i read the comments...

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Saturday, 8 December 2018 06:23 (eight months ago) link

three weeks pass...

I don't want to start a 2019 race thread just to share this one amazing tweet. Just read it and be amazed.

Here’s my only nativist beef: Hispanic people who look and sound Mongolian and who I therefore don’t realize I could just communicate with in Spanish instead of English which they don’t speak particularly intelligibly. I’m cool with Spanish, just not being super-confused.

— Liz Mair (@LizMair) January 2, 2019

grawlix (unperson), Thursday, 3 January 2019 00:06 (seven months ago) link


( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 3 January 2019 00:11 (seven months ago) link

tbftts i too might try to pass as mongolian if it seemed to make her not communicate with me

topical mlady (darraghmac), Thursday, 3 January 2019 00:14 (seven months ago) link

I am so confused by this ^^^. Mongolian? I had to look her up. Ok. She's an idiot.

Yerac, Thursday, 3 January 2019 00:15 (seven months ago) link

I'm assuming she's saying "latin american person who looks indigenous" in the most racist way possible

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 3 January 2019 00:27 (seven months ago) link

Lol, she made a loooong thread defending that tweet, and complaining that people don't realize how anti-racist she is. She's a never-Trump'er, don't people realize how important an ally she could be?

Frederik B, Thursday, 3 January 2019 11:09 (seven months ago) link

The non-apology thread is breathtaking.

resident hack (Simon H.), Thursday, 3 January 2019 12:47 (seven months ago) link

That tweet is despicable and depressing. I’m not surprised that kind of language is catching on even among the (vanishingly small) “never trump” right.

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 3 January 2019 13:33 (seven months ago) link

It’s the most dangerous kind of thinking in the world, that dehumanizing shit

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 3 January 2019 13:34 (seven months ago) link

Sorry—i know that was all redundant. There is just something super bleak about racism being couched in this flippant, trendy twitter speak.

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 3 January 2019 13:42 (seven months ago) link

via a former ilxor

"What kind of language has then to be found that would not be a re-imprisonment of Black lives? Does it still belong to philosophy? Does it still belong to literature? For sure, this issue requires the opening of a yet unheard space. Afro-Pessimism might be its name. A name born in prison."

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Thursday, 17 January 2019 10:42 (seven months ago) link

one month passes...

this entire Jussie Smollett story is a bummer.

omar little, Monday, 18 February 2019 19:29 (six months ago) link

what an absurd story

k3vin k., Monday, 18 February 2019 19:34 (six months ago) link

three months pass...

I'm putting this here because there isn't a 2019 thread and because I can't get over the fact that this person was a teacher

Arugula Raccoon (DJP), Thursday, 6 June 2019 13:27 (two months ago) link

three weeks pass...

It's just

Schroeder said the IV was removed by a professionally-trained FHN employee and that police followed the proper protocol when they realized Dukes was having a medical event.


There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Friday, 28 June 2019 20:09 (one month ago) link

That is fantastic news

brigadier pudding (DJP), Friday, 28 June 2019 20:27 (one month ago) link

re: dude who was arrested for following doctor's orders, I really want the hospital to weigh in on this

brigadier pudding (DJP), Friday, 28 June 2019 20:28 (one month ago) link

half expected the cops to claim they mistook the IV for a weapon

Οὖτις, Friday, 28 June 2019 20:31 (one month ago) link

did they think the hospital gown was a disguise?????

j., Friday, 28 June 2019 20:35 (one month ago) link

They thought they had someone they could brutalize who wouldn't fight back.

brigadier pudding (DJP), Friday, 28 June 2019 20:49 (one month ago) link

"Police urge people not to rush ‘to judgement against the police without all the information..."

Dukes was ultimately charged with disorderly conduct, after an investigation revealed he had no intention of stealing the IV stand, said Freeport police Lt. Andrew Schroeder.

A full investigation revealed that after coming all this way police were able to determine that the suspect who was by the way no angel was clearly guilty of something because otherwise we wouldn't be here now would we? Case closed!

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Friday, 28 June 2019 21:30 (one month ago) link

"disorderly conduct" is cop-speak for not being appropriately deferential to the thin blue line that separates us from the savages/not thanking them for hassling you

Οὖτις, Friday, 28 June 2019 21:35 (one month ago) link

Police urge people not to rush ‘to judgement against the police without all the information’

Should I give the site the benefit of the doubt and assume the reason they used this quote to lead the article is out of irony?

viborg, Saturday, 29 June 2019 00:05 (one month ago) link

one month passes...


pomenitul, Wednesday, 7 August 2019 10:54 (one week ago) link


mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 7 August 2019 11:20 (one week ago) link

I think this is a ridiculous overreaction to a great sketch that was a top-to-bottom condemnation of racism and blackface

brigadier pudding (DJP), Monday, 12 August 2019 21:05 (six days ago) link

She did a huuuuuuge mea culpa for thatvepisode on her current show (I Love You America) last year, which was interesting

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 01:57 (five days ago) link

What's the word for when someone apologizes for something they shouldn't need to?

Pauline Male (Eric H.), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 02:15 (five days ago) link

I was sure Chris Cuomo would figure into this thread revive.

Simon H., Tuesday, 13 August 2019 02:24 (five days ago) link

Absolutely essential story:

Frederik B, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 10:42 (five days ago) link

This cosmic balance sheet underpins the national conversation—ever more robust—about reparations for black Americans. In that conversation, given momentum in part by the publication of Ta-Nehisi Coates’s “The Case for Reparations” in this magazine in 2014, I hear echoes of Mississippi. I hear echoes of Hamer, the Scotts, Henry Woodard Sr., and others who petitioned the federal government to hold itself accountable for a history of extraction that has extended well beyond enslavement. But that conversation too easily becomes technical. How do we quantify discrimination? How do we define who was discriminated against? How do we repay those people according to what has been defined and quantified? The idea of reparations sometimes seems like a problem of economic rightsizing—something for the quants and wonks to work out.

Economics is, of course, a major consideration. According to the researchers Francis and Hamilton, “The dispossession of black agricultural land resulted in the loss of hundreds of billions of dollars of black wealth. We must emphasize this estimate is conservative … Depending on multiplier effects, rates of returns, and other factors, it could reach into the trillions.” The large wealth gap between white and black families today exists in part because of this historic loss.

But money does not define every dimension of land theft. Were it not for dispossession, Mississippi today might well be a majority-black state, with a radically different political destiny. Imagine the difference in our national politics if the center of gravity of black electoral strength had remained in the South after the Voting Rights Act was passed.

Frederik B, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 11:00 (five days ago) link

I was sure Chris Cuomo would figure into this thread revive.

I just watched that clip and loooooooooooooooool

brigadier pudding (DJP), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 11:29 (five days ago) link

straight outta that sopranos episode

k3vin k., Tuesday, 13 August 2019 12:01 (five days ago) link

I've never heard of "I'll ruin your shit" before

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 12:03 (five days ago) link

I'm simultaneously like "what ridiculous nonsense" and "RUIN HIS SHIT, CHRIS; STRAIGHT UP MURDER HIM"

brigadier pudding (DJP), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 13:18 (five days ago) link

How to solve racism in 'Murica forever:

pomenitul, Thursday, 15 August 2019 13:54 (three days ago) link

Sheck told Inside Higher Education that a white student had objected to her language. According to Sheck, she questioned the student about her objection, who said she had been told by a previous professor that white people should never use the term. At the end of term, the student gave a presentation about racism at the New School.

comedy descending notes played on a muted trumpet

bookmarkflaglink (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 15 August 2019 16:21 (three days ago) link

or trombone rather

bookmarkflaglink (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 15 August 2019 16:28 (three days ago) link

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