"I cannot start my day with a confrontation" The 2017 ILX Film Poll Voting Thread - Ballots Due Sunday, March 4th at 7pm EST.

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Send ballots to i l x 2017 film poll @ g ma il . c o m

Maximum of 25 votes, minimum of 10. All weighted, with first at the top of the list and on down. Please do not number them, as it makes the tabulating process tedious and I always forget to mention that.

Anything that was screened in a cinema is eligible*, just remember that if it only played in a film festival near you or it was a reissue of an old movie it will probably not place, or you might split the votes between this year and next year when it is released, but it's up to you.

*Yes, Twin Peaks screened in a cinema, all of it, so there you go.

Ballots in by 7pm EST on March 4th (Oscar Night), so putting it all together will give me something to do during the broadcast other than tweet.

Gukbe, Saturday, 3 February 2018 00:39 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Yay!

Cherish, Saturday, 3 February 2018 01:50 (three weeks ago) Permalink

When you say screened in a cinema do you mean screened in a cinema in any country in the world?

i know kore-eda (or something), Saturday, 3 February 2018 02:17 (three weeks ago) Permalink

That question is very confrontational.

clemenza, Saturday, 3 February 2018 02:24 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I can't do a full ballot, but I can put together at least 10.

WilliamC, Saturday, 3 February 2018 03:26 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Is Twin Peaks one slot or 18?

Tarr Yang Preminger Argento Carpenter (Eric H.), Saturday, 3 February 2018 03:29 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Thanks for doing this again Gukbe.

Agharta Christie (Ward Fowler), Saturday, 3 February 2018 03:43 (three weeks ago) Permalink

When you say screened in a cinema do you mean screened in a cinema in any country in the world?

― i know kore-eda (or something), Saturday, February 3, 2018 2:17 AM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yes. Not restricted to US (Academy) rules.

Is Twin Peaks one slot or 18?

― Tarr Yang Preminger Argento Carpenter (Eric H.), Saturday, February 3, 2018 3:29 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I think Lynch sees it as one movie, and anyway, for those who don't consider it TV, I imagine they'd look at it as one work. So yes, it all counts as one. Anyone throws an "Episode 8" or what have you on their ballot, I'm gonna go ahead and count it as an entry for the full. If they list several episodes, I'll count the highest and discard the rest.

Gukbe, Saturday, 3 February 2018 04:58 (three weeks ago) Permalink

As far as streaming films goes, I think they've mostly all had some sort of limited release to quality for Academy Awards. I know Mudbound played in DC, and the Baumbach had a run in LA and NY. Those shouldn't be an issue.

Gukbe, Saturday, 3 February 2018 05:00 (three weeks ago) Permalink

xp glad we've established that it's E8 that's the next level one

Tarr Yang Preminger Argento Carpenter (Eric H.), Saturday, 3 February 2018 05:00 (three weeks ago) Permalink

sweet, sent my ballot in, 25 was fun. i didn't feel comfortable putting twin peaks in my top 10 at the expense of actual movies but w/e

flappy bird, Saturday, 3 February 2018 06:12 (three weeks ago) Permalink

this is before i can do a rewatch of Nocturama, so i won't be voting.

always in a fucking hurry...

(also TP is bullshit and will win)

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 3 February 2018 07:45 (three weeks ago) Permalink

nice of you to fix it, gukbe

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 3 February 2018 07:45 (three weeks ago) Permalink

If it's good enough for cahiers du cinema, it's good enough for me (also we have the precedents in this poll of the OJ doc and Arabian Nights) - if anything I wonder if this year there'll be a significant number of voters that would do away with the theatrical screening rule, so they could vote for Gerald's Game or whatever

scrüt (wins), Saturday, 3 February 2018 10:21 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Cahiers du cinema? Seriously?!

Arabian Nights had a cinematic release (it was shit, so the only crime was to like it). I wasn't impressed that OJ and now TP will get in. Its a fix, why don't we just do a cinema/TV poll then?

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 3 February 2018 13:04 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Thanks Gukbe for doing it but come on.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 3 February 2018 13:05 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Maybe you can get a Javascript applet that will strip Twin Peaks out of the final ranking and move everything else up one.

Alba, Saturday, 3 February 2018 13:40 (three weeks ago) Permalink

The first two episodes of Twin Peaks was shown in cinemas, and it's hard arguing against that as a pure cinematic experience. And once that box is opened, better just clump it all together. It's great, but I won't be voting for it, but it'll definitely place, but we all know the true winner is The Florida Project and/or Janbal.

Frederik B, Saturday, 3 February 2018 15:58 (three weeks ago) Permalink

The whole thing was shown in a cinema

scrüt (wins), Saturday, 3 February 2018 16:25 (three weeks ago) Permalink

"Yes Darling, But is It Cinema?"
A mini-explanation by Gukbe

The first time I did this poll, I started with the idea that it would be based on Academy rules (commercial release in NY or LA for at least a week in the calendar year). The idea was to limit the number of films eligible and level the playing field (if someone saw a film at a festival and nobody else would see it until the next year, it would dilute the vote by spreading it over years, etc). This was obviously unworkable, if only because other countries have different release dates. For instance, Ladybird isn't out in the UK until March. So I relented, and even if it wasn't necessarily fair to a film that it was screened at a festival (You got to go to TIFF? Awesome, but most of us don't), it would be an arbitrary distinction. So, let people vote for what they feel to head off complaints.

So what's the restriction? Most of us can't see Nocturama in the theater, but there it is, streaming on Netflix. The best I could come up with was that as long as it had a public screening in a cinema, it counts. O.J. felt more TV to me, but it was screened. Twin Peaks is somewhat similar, because even though Lynch considers it a movie, and it wasn't really written episodically (the Bang Bang Club epilogues felt like they were added in rather than part of the whole), I watched it week by week and that's a different experience for me. Other arguments are available, including the excellent Nick Pinkerton piece linked in the Detrius thread. But really, the whole thing was screened at MoMa, so how could I not include it without it being arbitrarily taking a side and not wanting to include it in the results?

If you don't think it counts, make an argument and convince people.

And sorry, Morbs, but I can't dwell on the previous year longer than 3 months.

Gukbe, Saturday, 3 February 2018 16:59 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I'm still working on 2015.

but there it is, streaming on Netflix

ah so that's who sponsors this poll

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 3 February 2018 17:14 (three weeks ago) Permalink

the whole thing was screened at MoMa

Was this some cynical cash-in? Who were the suckers who went?

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 3 February 2018 19:44 (three weeks ago) Permalink

They hold free screenings of notable films near the end of the year; I think Twin Peaks was part of that series.

one way street, Saturday, 3 February 2018 19:47 (three weeks ago) Permalink

fwiw, were we running this back in their respective years I don't think Berlin Alexanderplatz or Fanny and Alexander or Carlos should've been on the poll. They were made for TV, whatever its cinematic qualities (also whether Lynch considers it a film or not is neither here nor there - it lived on a different format, whatever the odd screening at the cinema might otherwise say) xp = cool thanks. Here Berlin Alexanderplatz got a screening or two. I mean that's fine if you wanted to see it that way and its part of a retro, it just lived in a different way.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 3 February 2018 19:52 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I'd rather have a poll anyway - just remarking the result will be odd.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 3 February 2018 19:55 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Well personally I'm gonna be voting for stuff that I didn't get to see in a theatre but watched on MUBI or bluray, so I'm already a sinner in thinking something can live in more than one way

But even if TP wasn't obviously better film in 2017 than "film in 2017" was, it placing would still be valuable for annoying the type of person that would be annoyed by it

scrüt (wins), Saturday, 3 February 2018 23:23 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Well, this has got off to a good start

i know kore-eda (or something), Sunday, 4 February 2018 00:54 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I'm only going to vote for stuff I watched on my smartphone this year so my ballot is mostly going to be made up of Luke Cage episodes

Well bissogled trotters (Michael B), Sunday, 4 February 2018 02:08 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Berlin Alexanderplatz, Fanny and Alexander & Carlos were all released first in cinemas in the US.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 4 February 2018 02:48 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Was this some cynical cash-in? Who were the suckers who went?

At least four critics and two civilian Lynchdorks I know, and about 344 others. Full theater for 3 days.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 4 February 2018 03:03 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Carlos was also screened here - the shorter theatrical version (F&A has one as well). Counting those would be to their detriment, depends on the edit.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 4 February 2018 09:48 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Twin Peaks was shown in cinema first in France.

Frederik B, Sunday, 4 February 2018 10:29 (two weeks ago) Permalink

So much hand-wringing over something that takes care of itself. With or without Twin Peaks, it seems fairly obvious to me that Phantom Thread will win. Excepting myself and a couple of other people, there's been universal swoon over it on ILX.

clemenza, Sunday, 4 February 2018 14:08 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Rest assured: I'll do what I can to get A Quiet Passion, The Ornithologist, or The Lost City of Z up there.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 4 February 2018 14:12 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Same, plus Personal Shopper and Nocturama

Tarr Yang Preminger Argento Carpenter (Eric H.), Sunday, 4 February 2018 18:41 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I can't think of anything better 2017 movies than the 5 just mentioned there.

calzino, Sunday, 4 February 2018 18:49 (two weeks ago) Permalink

does L’Économie du couple count as a 2017 movie?

calzino, Sunday, 4 February 2018 18:55 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Personal shopper feels like it came out ages ago (I still haven't seen it)

scrüt (wins), Sunday, 4 February 2018 18:57 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I thought it was brilliant, and along with Nocturama and A Quiet Passion it will be my top 3.

calzino, Sunday, 4 February 2018 19:01 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Of the following films, which are eligible:

Toni Erdmann, Certain Women, Personal shopper, elle, the handmaiden,the love witch, hell or high water

i know kore-eda (or something), Sunday, 4 February 2018 19:10 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I think you'll find that at least three of those 'placed' last year, but hey everything's eligible

so i encourage votes for any and all Welles films

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 4 February 2018 19:20 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Last year's results, fwiw ...

Toni Erdmann	475	18
Manchester By The Sea 379 15
American Honey 300 10
Moonlight 297 11
Things to Come 271 10
Paterson 247 11
Cameraperson 244 9
Embrace of the Serpent 239 10
Certain Women 223 8
Elle 216 9
O.J.: Made in America 209 6
Silence 206 9
Love & Friendship 186 9
The Handmaiden 185 8
Cemetery of Splendour 178 5
The Witch 168 8
Arabian Nights 165 5
I Am Not Your Negro 163 7
Green Room 160 8
Hell or High Water 143 8
The Assassin 143 5
The Neon Demon 141 7
I, Daniel Blake 137 6
Son of Saul 129 5
Hail, Casear! 118 5
Victoria 115 6
A Bigger Splash 114 4
Mountains May Depart 112 4
The Other Side 111 4
The Measure of a Man 108 4
Hunt for the Wilderpeople 92 6
Weiner Dog 91 4
Everybody Wants Some!! 85 5
Little Men 85 5
Childhood of a Leader 83 3
Knight of Cups 83 4
Fire At Sea 82 4
No Home Movie 82 4
Sunset Song 82 3
The Death of Louis XIV 81 3
Loving 77 4
20th Century Women 76 5
Arrival 73 5
Sieranevada 72 2
The Fits 71 4
Jackie 70 4
High Rise 69 3
The Lobster 68 4
Sing Street 66 3
Anomalisa 65 3
Maggie's Plan 65 3
Indignation 63 3
Tower 63 3
Pearl Button 62 2
Rams 57 4
De Palma 56 2
The Love Witch 56 2
Zootopia 56 3
Our Little Sister 50 3
The Club 47 3
Eisenstein in Guanajuato 46 2
Aferim 45 2
La La Land 42 2
Train to Busan 41 2
A Quiet Passion 40 1
Being 17 40 1
Visit or Memories and Confessions 40 1
Weiner 39 2
Chevalier 38 2
The Woman Who Left 38 2
Deapool 37 2
Under the Shadow 37 2
When Marnie Was There 37 2
White Girl 36 1
Tale of Tales 35 3
Dirty Grandpa 33 1
Julieta 33 2
Mustang 33 2
The Nice Guys 33 1
The Red Turtle 33 2
Remainder 32 2
My Golden Days 31 3
Happy Hour 30 1
Kubo and the Two Strings 30 1
Nocturnal Animals 30 2
Standing Tall 30 1
Hypernormalisation 29 2
Right Now, Wrong THen 29 2
The Illinois Parables 29 2
Captain America: Civil War 28 1
Cosmos 28 1
Scarred Hearts 28 1
Keanu 26 2
Nothing Left Unsaid 26 1
The Greasy Strangler 26 1
The Wialing 26 1
Evolution 25 2
Ixcanul 25 1
Kate Plays Christine 25 2
Men and Chicken 25 2
Popstar: Never Stop Never Stopping 25 2
Supersonic 25 1
Swiss Army Man 25 1
Couple in a Hole 24 2
In the Last Days of the city 24 1
Lemonade 24 1
Mapplethorpe: Look at Pictures 24 1
Queen of Katwe 24 2
Triple 9 24 1
Into the Inferno 23 1
Mimosas 23 1
The Edge of Seventeen 23 1
The Invitation 23 1
A Lullaby to the Sorrowful Mystery 22 1
Aaaaaaah! 22 1
Author: THe JT LeRoy Story 22 1
Christine 22 1
Florence Foster Jenkins 22 1
Passengers 22 1
The Treasure 22 1
Dog Eat Dog 21 1
Kaili Blues 21 1
The Son of Joseph 21 1
Tickled 21 1
Your Name 21 4
Histoire(s) Du cinema 20 1
The Ornithologist 20 1
Girls Lost 19 1
The Hateful Eight 19 1
Don't Think Twice 18 1
Neruda 18 1
Not Film 18 1
10 Cloverfield Lane 17 2
Aquarius 17 1
Creepy 17 1
Eat That Question: Frank Zappa... 17 1
King Jack 17 1
Nocturama 17 1
Serena 17 1
A Town Called Panic: Back in School 16 1
El Sur 16 1
I Am Not A Serial Killer 16 1
Louder than Bombs 16 1
The Jungle Book 16 1
Doctor Strange 15 1
Don't Blink 15 1
In the Shadow of Women 15 1
Captain Fantastic 14 1
Harmonium 14 1
Le Fils de Joseph 14 1
My Friend from the Park 14 1
Neon Bull 14 2
Other People 14 1
February 13 1
Star Trek Beyond 13 1
Sully 13 1
Janis: Little Girl Blue 12 1
Sweet Bean 12 1
Hacksaw Ridge 11 1
Halfway 11 1
Microbe and Gasoline 11 1
The Happiest Day in the Life of Olli Maki 11 1
The Sundial Carved with a Thousand... 11 1
Uncle Kent 2 11 1
American Pastoral 10 1
JLG/JLG 10 1
The United States of Love 10 1
Godless 9 1
King Lear 9 1
Sweaty Betty 9 1
Cafe Society 8 1
One Sings, the Other Doesn't 8 1
The Untamed 8 1
In the Realm of the Sense 7 1
Papusza 7 1
The Last Family 7 1

Tarr Yang Preminger Argento Carpenter (Eric H.), Sunday, 4 February 2018 19:37 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I see The Death of Louis XIV got some votes last year.

Tarr Yang Preminger Argento Carpenter (Eric H.), Sunday, 4 February 2018 19:37 (two weeks ago) Permalink

This year too

scrüt (wins), Sunday, 4 February 2018 19:42 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Yeah thanks I knew I'd voted for some of those last year but they definitely didn't get a British release til this year

i know kore-eda (or something), Sunday, 4 February 2018 20:01 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Perhaps we should make something that placed in the previous year ineligible for the following. I dunno seems unfair on some but I don't wanna vote toni erdmann film of the year 2 years running eg (tbh I might have it at 2 or 3 this time around but still)

i know kore-eda (or something), Sunday, 4 February 2018 20:04 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Has anything got votes 3 years running yet?

scrüt (wins), Sunday, 4 February 2018 20:08 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Perhaps we should make something that placed in the previous year ineligible for the following.

I strongly disagree w/ this. I purposely didn't vote for Toni Erdmann last year because I knew I would want to to vote for it in this year's poll, 2017 being the year it got a cinema release in Britain and the year that I first saw it.

Agharta Christie (Ward Fowler), Sunday, 4 February 2018 20:46 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I also didn't get to see Scorsese's Silence until the very beginning of 2017, but I didn't include any of the staggered release movies that I also loved in early 2017 (Julieta, Toni Erdmann, Elle). I guess I go by Oscar qualifications, cf. Personal Shopper, which came out in the USA in March 2017 and didn't qualify for the Oscars despite opening in many other countries in 2016. And yeah honestly I feel like putting Twin Peaks in is fishy, as much as Lynch says it's one long movie it's not, it wasn't made for the cinema, it was made for television. I still put it on my ballot because this is a message board poll and I loved Twin Peaks and ultimately idgaf but it's definitely not the same as Fanny and Alexander, which had a 3 hour theatrical cut released to theaters in America before anyone had access to the TV version. anyway

flappy bird, Sunday, 4 February 2018 21:43 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Perhaps we should make something that placed in the previous year ineligible for the following.

I strongly disagree w/ this. I purposely didn't vote for Toni Erdmann last year because I knew I would want to to vote for it in this year's poll, 2017 being the year it got a cinema release in Britain and the year that I first saw it.

― Agharta Christie (Ward Fowler), Sunday, 4 February 2018 20:46 (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag

I'm cool with that but it means I'm going to vote for a few films I voted for last year

i know kore-eda (or something), Sunday, 4 February 2018 21:59 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Toni Erdmann WON last year? i am getting better at forgetting the results of these polls almost instantly.

these slo-mo releases are a good argument for delaying such decisions til July.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 5 February 2018 01:33 (two weeks ago) Permalink

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Alba, Monday, 5 February 2018 07:36 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Poll sent!

Agharta Christie (Ward Fowler), Monday, 5 February 2018 12:27 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Ballot sent!

xyzzzz__, Monday, 5 February 2018 21:09 (two weeks ago) Permalink

You guys are voting so early! Have you seen everything? There’s still time to watch some good stuff by female directors:

My Happy Family
On Body and Soul
By the Time It Gets Dark
Berlin Syndrome

Cherish, Friday, 9 February 2018 00:43 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I have a ballot ready to go, but I'm holding off sending it until March 1st or so.

WilliamC, Friday, 9 February 2018 03:14 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I can't see The Florida Project until February 20, so I have to wait until then at least.

But, seriously, those four I listed are very good. I don't want to be the only one who votes for them!

Cherish, Sunday, 11 February 2018 19:59 (one week ago) Permalink

I def wanted to see On Body and Soul when MUBI was showing it but I didn't get round to it. Missed By the Time It Gets Dark in its one week run. Sadly there is only so much time.

I put The Nothing Factory in my ballot.

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2018/jan/28/the-nothing-factory-review-unconventional-workplace-drama

This was like a summation of a lots and lots of political cinema of many colours, and its very knowing on how boring as well as exciting a lot of it was.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 11 February 2018 20:14 (one week ago) Permalink

You guys are voting so early!

I always think of this as a poll of the films I saw in 2017, so in theory could have submitted my vote on Jan 1st. There's always next year's poll!

I put The Nothing Factory in my ballot.

I avoided this because the Glasgow Film Theatre booklet compared it to Gomes' The Arabian Nights, which I largely disliked, but based on your description I regret that now.

Agharta Christie (Ward Fowler), Sunday, 11 February 2018 20:25 (one week ago) Permalink

Its miles better than The Arabian Nights, whose 1st part I caught and also despised (oh they are both Portuguese and left-wing! So bloody lazy).

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 11 February 2018 20:34 (one week ago) Permalink

It's very much in the same tradition as Arabian Nights, a tradition that goes from Antonio Reis and gives so many Portuguese films such an ethnographic dimension. There's a bunch of Portuguese documentaries a lot like it, and you see aspects of it in Pedro Costa and Joao Pedro Rodrigues as well, just to name two other major Portuguese filmmakers.

Frederik B, Sunday, 11 February 2018 21:04 (one week ago) Permalink

Pedro Costa has a completely different rhtyhm and his films are the result of a specific project and even a politics (there is much empathy for the poor and it delves into Portuguese history and colonial history but its also very resigned about it all as well).

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 11 February 2018 21:09 (one week ago) Permalink

no Ward, no. eg, Phantom Thread is not a 2018 film, not no way, not nohow.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 11 February 2018 21:12 (one week ago) Permalink

UK Release Date: Friday 2 February 2018

Agharta Christie (Ward Fowler), Sunday, 11 February 2018 21:37 (one week ago) Permalink

pish tosh

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 11 February 2018 21:52 (one week ago) Permalink

Just looked through the list from last year. I'm voting for at least four that got votes last year.

Also noticed that one of them, Eugene Green's The Son of Joseph, got one vote in English and one in French! Let's consolidate our votes this year, Green fans. Pick a language!

Cherish, Sunday, 11 February 2018 22:41 (one week ago) Permalink

Tomorrow is the two-year anniversary of the premiere of The Son of Joseph. Great film.

Frederik B, Sunday, 11 February 2018 22:55 (one week ago) Permalink

It is great, and the most openly comic film of his I've seen. Of course there's comedy in all his films, and obviously Le monde vivant was pretty silly, but this one is classic farce.

"How do you feel about hipsters?"

"I hate them."

"Me, too!"

Cherish, Monday, 12 February 2018 00:20 (one week ago) Permalink

The Nothing Factory was some hot, flaming bullshit, and this is from someone who thinks Arabian Nights is one of the best films ever. To compare them is criminal. If you want to watch a film that will clumsily attack you for daring to watch it, for three fucking hours, be my guest. Dismal

imago, Tuesday, 13 February 2018 22:01 (one week ago) Permalink

And yeah, of course I'm aware the effect was intentional. That doesn't mean that the execution was good or that I'm happy to have been subjected to it

If you compiled all the scenes that took place outdoors then you'd have a decent ambient short tbf

imago, Tuesday, 13 February 2018 22:19 (one week ago) Permalink

Glad I'm holding my ballot. I've seen Good Time and Nocturama so far this week.

WilliamC, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 04:09 (one week ago) Permalink

Really, really happy you hated The Nothing Factory, Louie. Tell me you didn't walk out? That's even better.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 07:58 (one week ago) Permalink

Or if you did please tell me it was around the 20+ min scene of the Capital I-intellectuals talking around the dinner table. I knew one or two ppl would walk at that and right enough.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 08:04 (one week ago) Permalink

Oh I stayed till the end, buddy

imago, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 08:21 (one week ago) Permalink

I'm aware the Intellectuals bit was meant to be satirical, but the point was so heavy-handed. 'film attacks its own bourgie audience' has been done, oh, very slightly better ;)

imago, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 08:23 (one week ago) Permalink

Some people did indeed leave during that bit btw

imago, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 08:24 (one week ago) Permalink

It wasn't satire. Its partly a play on some of the 60s/70s political films. Mainly and basically though talking about what is going on should be fine for the audience -- who are mostly educated (in the sense they come in with some familiarity with Marxist texts and current affairs) -- they ought to be staying with it. Especially given what happened later.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 08:48 (one week ago) Permalink

Every one of its intellectual flourishes was subsequently deflated - seemingly on purpose - but not in good ways. We are shown how the main guy is a horrible prick to his wife, the musical bit is a daft contrivance, the workers' discussions go in futile circles. Some of the actual theory was sound but nothing new - the rest felt like antagonism. For a film about the Struggle it really didn't seem to have many answers

imago, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 08:54 (one week ago) Permalink

It doesn't pretend to have any answers and you should not start looking for it ina film (you basically look for edgy stuff - hence the ambient comment - anyway). The worker discussion is documentary and it's exactly the kind of thing you should be listening to. They seized the means of production. Musical functioned as a break and it often has a part in certain political films.

Guy being a horrible prick to his wife is your male feminist logging on.

God knows how Fred is gonna sort this out.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 09:12 (one week ago) Permalink

Why would I sort it out? I saw it in a competition of debut films, I thought it was a promising but flawed film that seemed fairly typical of Portuguese cinema.

Frederik B, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 13:43 (one week ago) Permalink

Just thought you had all the answers, that's all.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 13:53 (one week ago) Permalink

Weekend Bump

Gukbe, Saturday, 17 February 2018 23:51 (one week ago) Permalink

Saw and was inspired by too few new films to vote, though they didn't include Get Out or The Work or The B-Side or, I expect of greater relative interest to me, Mudbound or BPM or Ex Libris or The Four Sisters. I typically enjoyed the half-Varda and to a lesser degree Soderbergh and Winterbottom, but found them less interesting slight returns to somewhat familiar territory (same for the 2016 Assayas, which I saw that year too, though it might be worth a second look), and the Grateful Dead movie I more than willingly sat through four hours of was as advertised both long and a little strange but not quite a trip. Lady Bird was not without its minor charms, but I suspect I would have enjoyed a lot more with Gerwig rather than Ronan in front of the camera, and ultimately I was tempted to deem it the vaguely-indie coming-of-age-comedy cognate of the comic-book/sci-fi films whose artistic merit appears to have been inflated by whatever cultural importance there may be in their being helmed by and/or starring women and/or African-Americans, less interesting or substantive than, say, the more adult Columbus. Same goes for The Florida Project, which I found too aggressively awful in content, milieu, and lack of any particular point I cared to discern to be attentive to the extent to which it may have been well made by anyone other than the adult leads. While I'd felt similarly about previous McDonagh work, the somewhat-accidentally-seen Three Billboards felt sufficiently meatier in its storytelling and mild convention-subversion to overlook the complications and light weight; I suspect Wind River probably was too. The Hong movie seemed a bit more interesting than those I'd seen previously, but not enough to bother me that I was dragged out of it early on content grounds. My favorite 2017 film (excluding 2016s not seen in that year like Cameraperson or especially Robinson Devor's fairly compelling Pow Wow) was probably The Other Side of Hope, which felt most of and responsive to the moment.

Moo Vaughn, Monday, 19 February 2018 01:47 (five days ago) Permalink

Same goes for The Florida Project, which I found too aggressively awful in content, milieu, and lack of any particular point I cared to discern to be attentive to the extent to which it may have been well made by anyone other than the adult leads.

????????

flappy bird, Monday, 19 February 2018 05:22 (five days ago) Permalink

not entirely wrong

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 19 February 2018 11:21 (five days ago) Permalink

Lady Bird was not without its minor charms, but I suspect I would have enjoyed a lot more with Gerwig rather than Ronan in front of the camera, and ultimately I was tempted to deem it the vaguely-indie coming-of-age-comedy cognate of the comic-book/sci-fi films whose artistic merit appears to have been inflated by whatever cultural importance there may be in their being helmed by and/or starring women and/or African-Americans

entirely wrong

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 19 February 2018 11:25 (five days ago) Permalink

Saw Good Time last night! Lovely nerve-shredder. I cried at the end

imago, Monday, 19 February 2018 12:21 (five days ago) Permalink

entirely wrong

― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, February 19, 2018 11:25 AM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

It may be that I'm just insufficiently suburban in origin, female in gendering, millennial in generation, or Catholic in upbringing to have more than modest feeling for a film that competed with food and drink, etc. for my attention as many increasingly do, but even putting aside the fact that for all her very good work Ronan never entirely registered as Sacramentian, the whole thing just felt less real than even the comic-book take of Ghost World, for which I had less feeling even before a recent screening highlighted its fairly reactionary/not a little creepy script. Part of that may also have to do with the slightly peculiar lightness with which Gerwig's (or, I suppose more appropriately, her teenaged/post-collegiate characters') happy-go-lucky vision/persona treats life's difficulties, but again I find that treatment more convincing when she embodies it herself.

Moo Vaughn, Monday, 19 February 2018 14:17 (five days ago) Permalink

The slightly peculiar lightness is a sensibility I've encountered more than a few times in adulthood, and only rarely have I seen it incarnated onscreen as fully as Gerwig does. Couple this sensibility with the editing and Ronan's acting chops and the result was a small miracle.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 19 February 2018 14:20 (five days ago) Permalink

Ronan never entirely registered as Sacramentian

I didn't exactly feel that (someone like Christine could exist anywhere in the US, and it's up to the movie to show us what kinds of people there are), but if Ronan's own origins were creating some interference, that could work in its favour given that Christine is always dreaming of being away from Sacramento.

jmm, Monday, 19 February 2018 14:36 (five days ago) Permalink

Yeah, sorry, I just saw a very good performance of teenaged suburban American identity rather than someone actually acquainted with it. It wasn't necessarily the specific geography I was hung up on, though I do tend to care about such things, but I did, like Richard Brody (who offhandedly appears to agree with me about Gerwig's absence), miss the absence of much specificity - https://www.newyorker.com/culture/richard-brody/greta-gerwigs-exquisite-flawed-lady-bird.

Moo Vaughn, Monday, 19 February 2018 15:10 (five days ago) Permalink

absence/presence

Moo Vaughn, Monday, 19 February 2018 15:10 (five days ago) Permalink

Voted.

WilliamC, Tuesday, 20 February 2018 03:42 (four days ago) Permalink

Sent mine!

Cherish, Wednesday, 21 February 2018 22:40 (three days ago) Permalink

GG was not going to play a 17-year-old. Ronan's fine.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 21 February 2018 22:41 (three days ago) Permalink


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