Dynasty, s3: Canadian Politics 2018

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I don't know how the Ontario Liberals manage to do it but the new labour legislation Bill 148 might actually get me to vote for the fuckers one more time, after I was sure I was done with them by 2010 or so. These are some of the most sweeping protections for temporary and part-time workers I've seen any government implement. The way e.g. Tim Hortons franchises are responding to the minimum wage increases are mostly serving to make them look ridiculous. I'm glad I'm not seeing much serious support for the corporations in this regard.

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 14:21 (seven months ago) Permalink

Yeah, in my circles Tim's and other businesses like Cineplex have been roundly mocked for their responses but uhhh given the nature of those circles I don't know if I can trust that there isn't a significant chunk of the country that doesn't buy the crocodile tears

Simon H., Tuesday, 9 January 2018 14:25 (seven months ago) Permalink

I hate that we have to fight and scrap for even the incredibly modest gains like the ones in Bill 148

Simon H., Tuesday, 9 January 2018 14:26 (seven months ago) Permalink

this is the story of my post post-secondary life

infinity (∞), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 17:56 (seven months ago) Permalink

Moved from the 2017 thread:

What it comes down to, imho, at least these days, is that laïcité is used by some in Quebec as an excuse for all-out xenophobia, while others are aware of its risks yet knowingly cling to it in spite of its bad rep in the anglophone world because they believe that religion represents a dormant threat to modern societies. Quebec's relative outspokenness in the latter department is sometimes an awful thing (re: that superfluous burqa ban), sometimes a great one (I say this as someone who would never consider moving back to my home country, Romania, in no small part due to its increasingly theocratic, i.e. openly homophobic, sexist and racist, ideology).

― pomenitul, Tuesday, December 26, 2017 11:32 AM (two weeks ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I would agree it is sometimes a great one if the catholic religion was making a big comeback but it isn't. After all, the cross in the national assembly is here to stay. Really the only target is different very small religious minorities.

― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, January 9, 2018 8:09 PM (fifty minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink


But this week, the province's two main opposition parties made it clear that, while they support a commemoration, they believe Islamophobia is a loaded term.
The Parti Quebecois says the term is too controversial, while the Coalition Avenir Quebec deems the word inappropriate because Quebecers "are not Islamophobic."

Ihsaan Gardee, director of the Muslim council, attributed the parties' position to identity politics in an election year in Quebec.

"In our view, when arguing semantics, it draws attention away from the core issues of hate and Islamophobia and anti-Muslim discrimination that are being discussed and how to effectively address them," Gardee said Tuesday.

― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, January 9, 2018 8:12 PM (forty-eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

The whole Netflix thing is so weird. I subscribe to Netflix so I don't really mind it not being taxed but it seems ridiculously unfair that Canadian companies that offer streaming services have to be taxed but any foreign companies offering the same service are not required to be taxed. Just seems like an obvious loophole that should be closed (either by taxing everyone or no one) and I don't even get why anybody is debating this.

― silverfish, Wednesday, December 27, 2017 12:23 AM (one week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

The alternative would be a special Netflix tax that would go to help funding Canadian cinema and television series. A bunch of european countries went this route, Germany and France notably. As you know I am certain, instead of that tax, Joly basically bargained with Netflix that they invest 500 millions here in Canada. I really do believe that Melanie Joly is making sure the 500 millions investment is managed by Netflix because 1. Telefilm has been absolutely incompetent at building up a lucrative film industry in Canada whereas Netflix has the strong incentive of building a more efficient and larger infrastructure, retaining talent, etc 2. Netflix is already a much better international distributor than anything Can-Con has ever had access to, 3. Ubisoft (a foreign company) and Cirque du Soleil (a Canadian one) have been successful content creating companies that got shit tons of subsidies (much more than Netflix is getting at the moment), 4. there was a danger that that big three telecoms was going to gobble up the entire private film/tv series content creation market, now there is not only one but two different alternative paths.

I am still not under 100% sure this is best idea. But I am certain that doing nothing would have been way worse.

― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, January 9, 2018 8:23 PM (thirty-seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 02:01 (seven months ago) Permalink

a long time coming


Canada appeared to be mounting a case on behalf of the rest of the world, since it cited almost 200 examples of alleged U.S. wrongdoing, almost all of them concerning other trading partners, such as China, India, Brazil and the European Union.

The 32-page complaint homed in on technical details of the U.S. trade rulebook, ranging from the U.S. treatment of export controls to the use of retroactive duties and split decisions by the six-member U.S. International Trade Commission.

infinity (∞), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 19:03 (seven months ago) Permalink


No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 19:24 (seven months ago) Permalink

Btw re

Yeah, in my circles Tim's and other businesses like Cineplex have been roundly mocked for their responses but uhhh given the nature of those circles I don't know if I can trust that there isn't a significant chunk of the country that doesn't buy the crocodile tears

― Simon H., Tuesday, 9 January 2018 09:25 (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I thought that it was interesting that Michael Coren, who can be very conservative (at least on social issues) came out so strongly against the corporations and in favour of the raise. The CBC business panel I watched the other day was also mostly supportive. Even the Ontario PCs mostly seem to agree with a $15 minimum wage but want to get there a little slower.

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 19:29 (seven months ago) Permalink

Well, that would be interesting. Wonder what would happen to my job.

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 20:49 (seven months ago) Permalink


pomenitul, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 21:13 (seven months ago) Permalink

sending good vibes yr way sund4r

as long as you don't mind living in canada, it's not so bad once canadians have good work experience stateside and then return home

it would suck having to end your stay prematurely due to this though

i became a us citizen half a year ago but will end up moving back for good probably in a year

infinity (∞), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 21:30 (seven months ago) Permalink

Thanks, guys. Tbh, I already consider coming back, for reasons I won't go into fully (but I'm spending a third of the year in Canada as it is; long distance relationships are hard). There's no guarantee I'd be renewed for another year anyway and I could probably come in on another visa if I had to. Still, it definitely raises questions.

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Thursday, 11 January 2018 02:27 (seven months ago) Permalink

Interesting - BC Supreme Court rules that indefinite solitary confinement is unconstitutional: https://bccla.org/2018/01/bc-supreme-court-ends-indefinite-solitary-confinement-federal-prisons-across-canada/

Also, not sure what to make of these exemptions to the new labour legislation that the Ontario legislature passed last week. A little disappointed: http://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/provinces-new-wage-laws-wont-apply-to-film-and-tv-workers-or-students-18-and-under

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Friday, 19 January 2018 03:02 (seven months ago) Permalink

holy moly, patrick brown

while my dirk gently weeps (symsymsym), Thursday, 25 January 2018 06:24 (six months ago) Permalink

yeah just read the details of the allegations, jfc

Simon H., Thursday, 25 January 2018 12:55 (six months ago) Permalink

I'm re-watching Season 5 of the Wire and last night watched the episode where Carcetti and Norman are watching Rupert Bond's press conference on Clay Davis' indictment. Norman to Carcetti: "You'll need to have a comment. Try not to sound too gleeful about it."

My first thought after hearing it this morning was that this was probably Kathleen Wynne and her chief of staff's first exchange this morning.

Haven't read the details and probably don't want to. Ugh, good riddance.

Federico Boswarlos, Thursday, 25 January 2018 15:16 (six months ago) Permalink

conservatives in this country are really hard to distinguish from maga chuds. twitter comments on any media accounts regarding the brown story are all about feeling sorry for patrick brown and thinking its a conspiracy theory.

khat person (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 25 January 2018 17:04 (six months ago) Permalink

Could be nothing. On the other hand...


Simon H., Tuesday, 30 January 2018 15:18 (six months ago) Permalink

Wow @ the hints in the comments.

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 16:40 (six months ago) Permalink

If this turns out to be real that's....going to be one hell of a thing.

Simon H., Tuesday, 30 January 2018 16:56 (six months ago) Permalink

I know someone who has worked with a prominent provincial politician here in B.C. who sexually harassed her and who was just generally a pig around the office. It would be huge news if it ever gets out.

khat person (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 17:14 (six months ago) Permalink

don't know this guy, but:

Intern scandal brewing in Ottawa as the #metoo movement meets Justin Trudeau. Story soon.

— Andrew Krystal (@AndrewKrystal) January 30, 2018

Simon H., Tuesday, 30 January 2018 21:26 (six months ago) Permalink

his timeline is a treat. Gregg Zaun and Christie Blatchford retweets.

khat person (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 22:46 (six months ago) Permalink

if it is him, this would be awfully brazen: http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-careful-metoo-1.4511093

rob, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 23:57 (six months ago) Permalink

i kinda doubt it's him, just bcz of the wording of the kinsella piece. but if it is, that would be pretty insane.

while my dirk gently weeps (symsymsym), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 03:20 (six months ago) Permalink

to my scandal-loving disappointment, Kinsella intimated that Trudeau was not the figure he was writing about:

The Internet is a vanity press for the deranged https://t.co/00iFn6Jy0n

— Warren Kinsella (@kinsellawarren) January 30, 2018

sean gramophone, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 03:31 (six months ago) Permalink

maybe it's his dude gerald butts?

while my dirk gently weeps (symsymsym), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 03:36 (six months ago) Permalink

my scandal-loving disappointment

I've never voted for the Liberals federally but this is still relieving to me.

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 03:48 (six months ago) Permalink

Nova Scotia mayor comes out

iCloudius (cryptosicko), Friday, 2 February 2018 16:58 (six months ago) Permalink

Glad now it's 'in all of us command' instead of 'in all our sons command'.

Van Horn Street, Saturday, 3 February 2018 05:17 (six months ago) Permalink

i've been parsing that line wrong all along. i always thought the patriot love was in "thy sons' command". possessive sons', command as a noun.

adam the (abanana), Saturday, 3 February 2018 06:08 (six months ago) Permalink

Wait, I've read it that way my whole life. It only just occurred to me that it makes more sense if "command" is a verb and "sons" is plural. Speaking to Canada in the imperative still seems odd, though.

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Saturday, 3 February 2018 12:27 (six months ago) Permalink

Yep, me too.

bumbling my way toward the light or wahtever (hardcore dilettante), Saturday, 3 February 2018 12:48 (six months ago) Permalink

I think I probably did think about it once or twice and then forgot. If the original line was "thou dost in us command" as per [Removed Illegal Link], that is a much better line than either the one we grew up with or this new one. Are we also going to take the cross out of the French lyrics? Lol j/k.

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Saturday, 3 February 2018 12:48 (six months ago) Permalink

I keep trying to imagine this happening to the White House and failing: http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/24-sussex-drive-trudeau-not-living-1.4511732

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Saturday, 3 February 2018 12:51 (six months ago) Permalink

This seems like a good history of the anthem: https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/o-canada/

In The Common School Book of Vocal Music, published by the Educational Book Company of Toronto in 1913, the original line "True patriot love thou dost in us command" was changed to "True patriot love in all thy sons command." This particular change was also included in a version published by Delmar in 1914, and in all versions printed thereafter. There is no evidence as to why the change to “sons” was made, although it is worth noting that the women’s suffrage movement was at its most militant and controversial around 1913, and by 1914 and 1916 there was an enormous surge of patriotism during the First World War, at a time when only men could serve in the armed forces.

I figured the 'thy sons' version probably took off because of the war, but didn't connect it to the suffragettes.

Up to the middle of the 20th century, public discussion relating to the anthem, evidenced by letters to the editor in the country’s major newspapers, tended to revolve around the appropriateness of the phrase “stand on guard for thee” and the controversy associated with the tune’s perceived similarity to Mozart’s “March of the Priests.”

My view, having had to listen to the damn song every morning for years, is that we ban it forever and enjoy some peace and quiet.

jmm, Saturday, 3 February 2018 16:31 (six months ago) Permalink

(also, "peoplekind" is hilariously clunky. why not "humankind"?)

Simon H., Tuesday, 6 February 2018 17:43 (six months ago) Permalink

he is such a high school teacher

while my dirk gently weeps (symsymsym), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 17:47 (six months ago) Permalink

Me cause human contains the word “man.” Sexist.

Srsly, though, what a peoplegling of the language.

bumbling my way toward the light or wahtever (hardcore dilettante), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 17:48 (six months ago) Permalink

Stupid phone. *because

“Me cause earthquake! Cave dilettante strong!”

bumbling my way toward the light or wahtever (hardcore dilettante), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 17:49 (six months ago) Permalink

I'm gonna start using hupeoplekind

silverfish, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 17:55 (six months ago) Permalink

so inclusive

while my dirk gently weeps (symsymsym), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 17:57 (six months ago) Permalink

i kinda think trudeau was kidding actually

while my dirk gently weeps (symsymsym), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 17:57 (six months ago) Permalink

I think he meant it as a bit of light ribbing. He wasn't mansplaining. The full question is at 1:06:38 here:


jmm, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 18:02 (six months ago) Permalink

(also, "peoplekind" is hilariously clunky. why not "humankind"?)

"Humanity" is a perfectly good actual English word but it does seem like ribbing (someone who was asking a very long and convoluted question) in context.

I'm not a biologist but I'm p sure "maternal love" is not the actual definition of "mitochondria" btw.

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 18:37 (six months ago) Permalink

good old "people" is fine

though high school teacher will knock off points for being ambiguous by using the word "people" (in chicken scratch along the margin: who? what people? be specific. -5)

infinity (∞), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 19:12 (six months ago) Permalink

Yeah, my Apple Oxford dictionary defines "mankind", "humanity", and "people" almost exactly the same way: "human beings considered collectively".

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 19:17 (six months ago) Permalink

Do you have a link about that Supreme Court ruling?

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Saturday, 28 July 2018 02:30 (three weeks ago) Permalink

i can't seem to find anything, sorry.

Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Saturday, 28 July 2018 04:51 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I think it's time we revisit the governmental dichotomy of province/federation and let cities decide a little more for themselves.

Van Horn Street, Saturday, 28 July 2018 18:33 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Also I felt that was otm:


Whether the leaders’ ideas are good or bad in these cases is moot—it’s the mechanisms by which powerful politicians turn their ideas into policies that is troubling. Citing a mandate and leaving it at that is simply inconsistent with how we do democracy, which is why mandates are sneaky tools for manipulation. Governments should be accountable and responsive to all the people they serve. Merely citing a mandate chosen by some mythical voter runs counter to this democratic imperative. Instead of offering an open, responsive, inclusive politics, when a politician like Ford cites a “mandate,” he is preparing to steamroll through some policy or law by citing some fabricated moral authority. As voters, if we dislike what the premier and his cabinet are doing, we can protest. We can write scathing opinion pieces. We can write to our representatives to voice our displeasure. We can launch court challenges. We can run for office ourselves. We can vote for another party in the next election. We can dedicate ourselves to reforming the system. That is what we can do. And before we start, we can understand how our system works so that we are prepared to counter the sophistry or ignorance of cynical or lazy politicians who dare wield the wobbly sword of the “mandate.”

Van Horn Street, Saturday, 28 July 2018 18:34 (three weeks ago) Permalink

If anything, this should be a case--clearly Ford's driven by personal vindictiveness on two or three different fronts--where the federal government steps in and says, "Whoa--back it up, guy."

clemenza, Saturday, 28 July 2018 18:37 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Section 92 of the 1867 Constitution Act:


Subjects of exclusive Provincial Legislation 92. In each Province the Legislature may exclusively make Laws in relation to Matters coming within the Classes of Subjects next hereinafter enumerated; that is to say,
8. Municipal Institutions in the Province.

So if there was a SCC ruling concerning municipal-level representation of Toronto city districts, that seems like it would be U&K.

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Saturday, 28 July 2018 18:53 (three weeks ago) Permalink

(It's a terrible idea that should be fought, though, tbc.)

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Saturday, 28 July 2018 18:56 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I just read the Moscrop piece from Maclean's, which is very good and summarizes my point about the constitution, I see now.

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Saturday, 28 July 2018 19:08 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Don't think I've ever done this, don't think I'll ever do it again, but a link to NOW


Disallowance, that's the way to go.

clemenza, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 00:42 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Trudeau would never have the balls use it. he'd get destroyed the next election for "meddling" despite the epic amount of irony, in that he would be stepping in to stop anti-democratic meddling.

Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 01:11 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I watched that last night! We've got our very own Kayleigh McEnany in Lyndsey Vanstone.

clemenza, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 14:41 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Are taxpayer dollars funding naked propaganda?


Hans Holbein (Chinchilla Volapük), Friday, 3 August 2018 02:15 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Finally read that and, wow, that's infuriating.

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Friday, 3 August 2018 14:01 (two weeks ago) Permalink

So apparently we're in a diplomatic battle and trade war with Saudi Arabia over Freeland's criticisms of their punishment of political activisits, which was itself somewhat half-assed but at least a step in the direction. Funniest consequence so far: https://newrepublic.com/minutes/150408/saudi-arabia-threatens-support-quebecs-secession-canada . They might need to take some trolling tips from the Russians.

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Tuesday, 7 August 2018 13:38 (one week ago) Permalink

SA threatening to do 9/11 Pt. 2 to Canada is the funniest thing to happen in a long time.

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Tuesday, 7 August 2018 13:43 (one week ago) Permalink

I liked the explanation for this whole thing here https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-saudi-arabias-bold-move-has-nothing-to-do-with-canada/

The timing of the Saudi announcement is also meant to deflect public and regional criticism from another of the Crown Prince’s foreign policy blunders: Jerusalem and the so-called Kushner peace plan. A few weeks ago, the Saudis signalled that they might support Donald Trump’s son in-law Jared Kushner’s so-called Israeli-Palestinian peace plan, which included recognizing Jerusalem as Israel’s capital. Reportedly, Mr. Kushner and the Crown Prince have an amicable relationship, and the Saudis were using their economic and political muscle in the region to push the proposal through with reluctant Arab governments, particularly that of Palestinian Authority leader Mahmoud Abbas. While the Crown Prince has had a long leash from his father, King Salman, the regional and public heat was apparently too much for the older monarch, and in an unexpected move, the King overturned his son’s foreign policy proposal and reaffirmed the long-standing Saudi position on the matter.

For a leader who is used to the nationalist support of his young and energized followers, it was time for Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman to get the Saudi people riled up again. Enter Canadian Foreign Minister Chrystia Freeland – a woman, no less. Ms. Freeland’s tweet was easy fodder for the macho Saudi Twittersphere. The resulting poke to the eye of the feminist Trudeau government is a perceived win in the Saudi foreign policy community and a helpful distraction from a few weeks of domestic embarrassment for the Crown Prince over his father’s rebuke.

This is basically the same kind of thing as Trump distracting the media by making a big deal out of the NFL players taking a knee during the national anthem.

silverfish, Tuesday, 7 August 2018 14:20 (one week ago) Permalink

disrupting your students' educations to own the libs

the bhagwanadook (symsymsym), Tuesday, 7 August 2018 17:20 (one week ago) Permalink

They might need to take some trolling tips from the Russians.

Looks like they have, at least if we assume that the Russian and 4chan schools of trolling are one and the same: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/aug/07/saudi-arabia-canada-toronto-cn-tower-9-11-photo-apology

pomenitul, Tuesday, 7 August 2018 18:12 (one week ago) Permalink

Spent 1-2 hours in the car today, and it was buck-a-beer, buck-a-beer all over 680. Utterly ridiculous.

clemenza, Wednesday, 8 August 2018 03:56 (one week ago) Permalink


No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Wednesday, 8 August 2018 03:59 (one week ago) Permalink

It looks like a lot of breweries are basically saying take a hike, son.

clemenza, Wednesday, 8 August 2018 04:05 (one week ago) Permalink


A lawyer for one of the directly affected nations, the Tsleil-Waututh, has said it could use evidence uncovered by National Observer that the government had made a decision to approve the project before concluding its consultations with First Nations as grounds for an appeal to the Supreme Court, as part of its case to terminate the project. The case is currently under review at the Federal Court of Appeal, which rejected the news articles as "hearsay."

so kinder morgan gave us an ultimatum and we took the bait

F# A# (∞), Friday, 10 August 2018 04:19 (one week ago) Permalink

god I hate this dumbass country

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Friday, 10 August 2018 11:21 (one week ago) Permalink

Eh, I just moved to the UK for work after spending some time in France and Romania and there's nothing I want more right now than to find a job back in Montreal so I can properly settle there. Not that it's going to happen given the vicissitudes of the academic job market but really, in terms of overall dumbfuckery there's far worse out there.

pomenitul, Friday, 10 August 2018 11:27 (one week ago) Permalink

I do share your exasperation regarding this particular piece of news though.

pomenitul, Friday, 10 August 2018 11:28 (one week ago) Permalink

Four dead in a shooting in Fredericton, NB


wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Friday, 10 August 2018 13:40 (one week ago) Permalink

To hell with guns, Trudeau can partly win me back if he passes stronger regulations.

Van Horn Street, Friday, 10 August 2018 16:47 (one week ago) Permalink

I don't passionately care about the sex-ed issue for reasons I won't get into here, but I of course think Ford's being ridiculous and meddlesome. Just got an e-mail saying that ETFO's basically telling us to pay no mind.

"ETFO strongly denounces the government's decision and advises members to continue to exercise their professional judgement when it comes to teaching all sections of the 2015 curriculum...ETFO will vigorously defend members who continue to follow the 2015 Health Curriculum."

Pretty sure teachers will also ignore him when it comes to the social studies curriculum. Love it--take a hike, son.

clemenza, Tuesday, 14 August 2018 03:01 (six days ago) Permalink

Quebec's election season starts on August 23rd.

Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 15 August 2018 19:37 (five days ago) Permalink


It says more about the 34 other countries than Canada.

Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 15 August 2018 19:39 (five days ago) Permalink

That's interesting. I didn't expect that, to be honest, but it's good to know. Hope this Premier isn't able to foul that up too badly. I'm looking forward to reading more of the OECD study.

The inexorable rise of identity condiments (Sund4r), Thursday, 16 August 2018 01:05 (four days ago) Permalink

I'm not surprised. Let's check in again after the next global recession - the one we don't dodge.

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Thursday, 16 August 2018 01:58 (four days ago) Permalink

who is going to win the quebec election? god we are so fucked

the bhagwanadook (symsymsym), Thursday, 16 August 2018 03:56 (four days ago) Permalink

http://blog.qc125.com/ for polls might be one of your best sources Sym.

And it sounds like it's going to be abhorrent CAQ. But the Liberals are very very good at elections.

Van Horn Street, Thursday, 16 August 2018 17:11 (four days ago) Permalink

took me an embarrassingly long time to parse the Liberal logo as an L

the bhagwanadook (symsymsym), Thursday, 16 August 2018 17:34 (four days ago) Permalink

But the Liberals are very very good at elections.

literally the only thing

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Thursday, 16 August 2018 17:41 (four days ago) Permalink

Well they just might be the only party with 5+ seats that gives a damn about immigrants.

Van Horn Street, Thursday, 16 August 2018 17:45 (four days ago) Permalink

But the Liberals are very very good at elections.

What I still thought going into the lasr ON election

The inexorable rise of identity condiments (Sund4r), Thursday, 16 August 2018 20:26 (four days ago) Permalink


The inexorable rise of identity condiments (Sund4r), Thursday, 16 August 2018 20:27 (four days ago) Permalink

Ontario liberals don't have the weaponized referendum boogeyman.

Van Horn Street, Thursday, 16 August 2018 23:51 (four days ago) Permalink

Well they just might be the only party with 5+ seats that gives a damn about immigrants.

iirc the # of immigrants we take in is pretty minor compared to many other countries? (not disputing that the Tories are worse on this)

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Friday, 17 August 2018 00:48 (three days ago) Permalink

VHS's comment still seems fair in the context of Quebec Liberals vs other Quebec provincial parties.

The inexorable rise of identity condiments (Sund4r), Friday, 17 August 2018 00:55 (three days ago) Permalink


wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Friday, 17 August 2018 01:02 (three days ago) Permalink

21% of Canadian population is foreign-born + the second generations of immigrants like me that straddle the lines between home culture + Canadian culture, so you are looking at a pretty substantial % of the population being potentially targeted by xenophobia like Bernier's, the CAQ's or the PQ's. On top of that you have ethnic groups that are bound to be considered like 'foreign' by these racists no matter how many decades their family have been Canadian citizens, which **sigh**. If we want to talk about how many immigrants Canada is taking, by 2015 we did better when compared to most other western nations, in both percentage and straight numbers. Stats here: https://www.un.org/en/development/desa/population/migration/data/estimates2/estimates15.shtml

Now I haven't checked how many of those immigrants live in the province of Quebec vs the other provinces but sadly the # of immigrants we take in is irrelevant at this point? What matters is how much noise the Le Pen-inspired nationalists/Quebecor media consortium is making about the 'non-quebecois' population and how it will impact their lives on a daily basis. The PLQ has been explicitly protecting their cause vis a vis of the nationalist who have been slowly and steadily escalating their rhetorics against 'foreign culture' and playing footsies with straight racist organized groups like la Meute. The famous PLQ face veil ban from a year ago is an obvious punt to the courts they did not care about and did little to calm the xenophobic anxieties. Couillard knew and knows it can't be legislated, that it can't survive the legal challenges it faces. So he did the strict minimum to make it die a slow death and make everyone look xenophobic as shit. Problem is the Journal de Montreal columnist and many nationalists don't give a shit about looking xenophobic anymore. And let's not paint the PLQ as champions either, they just happen to realize that the 'ethnic vote' is a vote nonetheless and that it was up for grabs since that odious term first entered the mainstream on that 1995 night.They mostly been in power since 2003 and systemic racism is still the MO and they did little to change that, even if it is unquestionable they remain the better option for anyone feeling excluded from the Pure Laine nation.

Lots of it is circumstantial but the Quebec economy is doing better than ever, and the famous welfare state that is the envy of the other provinces is still largely the same. Taxes have been reduced, the debt has been reduced, new hospitals have been built, rent is manageable, none of that is perfect but this is simply not a line of attack the opposition can use: 1. the CAQ promises the same kind of soft austerity that will work for as long as Canada GDP is growing by 3% and the Canadian dollar is not staged for Alberta only, 2. the PQ is still remembered as the great debt creator/have a raison d'être that has little to do with the economy and financial well being of the citizens, 3. sadly Quebec Solidaire has a hard time convincing the most-taxed population in North America... to pay more taxes. So basically this election cycle will be mostly about cultural stuff and the main cultural debate shifted from for and against sovereignty to for and against immigration.

Basically what that means is that we might be stuck between a Montreal-centred PLQ that is insanely corrupt and balances between hard and soft austerity for the pleasure of Power Corp, Bombardier and Couche-Tard and a rural/suburban oriented CAQ that think Islam can't exist in a democracy and balances between... hard and soft austerity for the pleasure of Power Corp, Bombardier and Couche-Tard.

I look at Notley and Horwath with great envy.

Van Horn Street, Friday, 17 August 2018 02:02 (three days ago) Permalink

Also my go to vote in this fuckin provincial mess was the weed legalization dudes but obviously that isn't an option anymore.

Merci Justin.

Van Horn Street, Friday, 17 August 2018 02:03 (three days ago) Permalink

thanks VHS, booming post. Quebec politics are hard to get my head around

the bhagwanadook (symsymsym), Friday, 17 August 2018 02:22 (three days ago) Permalink

thanks Sym, ILX might be my outlet for these things up until October 1st.

Van Horn Street, Friday, 17 August 2018 16:22 (three days ago) Permalink

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