2020 Democratic presidential primary

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Bernie Sanders
Tim Kaine
Michael Bloomberg
Andrew Cuomo
Cory Booker
Kamala Harris
Tammy Duckworth
Jay Inslee
Terry McAuliffe
Joe Biden
Elizabeth Warren
Alison Lundergan Grimes
Martin O'Malley
someone else


slathered in cream and covered with stickers (silby), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 20:10 (one year ago) Permalink

Gillebrand?

voodoo chili, Wednesday, 1 February 2017 20:10 (one year ago) Permalink

ah fuck oh well

slathered in cream and covered with stickers (silby), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 20:11 (one year ago) Permalink

oprah ✔️

bayland rippenkroeger, stunt artiste (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 20:11 (one year ago) Permalink

Symmetry required gabbneb to start this.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 20:12 (one year ago) Permalink

I'm on my lunch break

slathered in cream and covered with stickers (silby), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 20:12 (one year ago) Permalink

police state, no more elections!!!

I Am In Atlanta And Thug Is Young (imago), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 20:15 (one year ago) Permalink

plz don't

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 20:19 (one year ago) Permalink

warren i guess

flappy bird, Wednesday, 1 February 2017 20:25 (one year ago) Permalink

eager beaver here

F♯ A♯ (∞), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 21:15 (one year ago) Permalink

imago otm

the late great, Wednesday, 1 February 2017 21:27 (one year ago) Permalink

gotta be Hilary, show those misogynists they can't win

sheer presence, look and size (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 21:45 (one year ago) Permalink

most of these people suck

marcos, Wednesday, 1 February 2017 21:46 (one year ago) Permalink

I think we need to recruit bruce springsteen

iatee, Wednesday, 1 February 2017 21:48 (one year ago) Permalink

god, politics suck

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 21:49 (one year ago) Permalink

martin omalley dot com

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1SdjRSqqHE

marcos, Wednesday, 1 February 2017 21:50 (one year ago) Permalink

tbf even the lamest of these accommodating fucks will represent real change in 2020

sheer presence, look and size (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 21:51 (one year ago) Permalink

let us see what happens tomorrow

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 21:52 (one year ago) Permalink

Duckworth hasn't distinguished herself during the nomination process/voting, but theoretically I'm okay with putting up a veteran/child of an immigrant up against Trump.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 21:59 (one year ago) Permalink

gotta be Hilary, show those misogynists they can't win

OTM

My Body's Made of Crushed Little Evening Stars (Sund4r), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:02 (one year ago) Permalink

really don't wanna know what Trump would have to say about Tammy Duckworth.

frogbs, Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:04 (one year ago) Permalink

I'm basically on board for Harris and Duckworth; I don't know if Jay Inslee is really likely to explore a run but he's been a good governor and maybe he will gain some national prominence suing the present administration.

slathered in cream and covered with stickers (silby), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:05 (one year ago) Permalink

I like every one of these people and would happily vote for them and give my money to their campaign

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:07 (one year ago) Permalink

same goes for HRC btw

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:11 (one year ago) Permalink

And Buttigieg! What about my man Buttigieg?!

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:11 (one year ago) Permalink

stoppppppppppp dave stoppppppppppp

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:13 (one year ago) Permalink

Disclaimer - I'm a midwesterner and probably don't know enough about my proposal here: I'm really not super-aware of his politics (I know progressives have tried to run against him in primaries in CA), but something always gets me about Gavin Newsom whenever he's on Real Time or news programs. I know he's done good things for homeless issues/causes. same-sex marriage, marijuana legalization, etc. There's a gravitas about him that just telegraphs potential youth vote/new blood presidential candidate.

BlackIronPrison, Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:14 (one year ago) Permalink

gavin newsom has skeletons in his closet

the late great, Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:18 (one year ago) Permalink

i think at this point he is a bit too much of a stereotypical big city liberal w/ loose morals to really make a palatable national candidate

maybe when he is older

the late great, Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:19 (one year ago) Permalink

Newsom and Harris both strike me as too in-the-bed with finance/Clinton neoliberalism to get people excited to turn out in vote. (Alternately, the Dems might be able to nominate Roger Clinton and Billy Carter in 2020 and win.)

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:19 (one year ago) Permalink

wait he's a pirate? xp

flappy bird, Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:20 (one year ago) Permalink

(not to even mention Bloomberg)

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:20 (one year ago) Permalink

actually the shit i am referring to happened when i was living in the bay area which was about 10 years ago now, i.e. ancient history, maybe it doesn't matter

the late great, Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:22 (one year ago) Permalink

newsom is kind of a dumbass too and the gop would like to highlight his tenure as mayor of sodom aka san francisco when this happened

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKGBgb0XKVs

he's also dated a 19 year old

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=2581600

carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:25 (one year ago) Permalink

FISH CANNOT CARRY GUNS

and also Kamala Harris and Joe Biden

potential grizzly (remy bean), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:25 (one year ago) Permalink

There's a gravitas about him that just telegraphs potential

honestly thought this sentence was gonna end 'serial killer'

iatee, Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:26 (one year ago) Permalink

Brittanie Mountz sounds like a porn name

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:28 (one year ago) Permalink

i dated a 19 year old

admittedly its not in the top ten reasons im not gunning for the top political jobs but still

Mother Teresa May I (darraghmac), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:30 (one year ago) Permalink

maybe not for 2020 but i wonder of mahty wahlsh has national ambitions, esp seeing the way he's come out against trump's immigration ban. he might be all right, he has union support and working class youth, people are weirdly enamored w/ boston accents

marcos, Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:32 (one year ago) Permalink

working class youth roots

marcos, Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:32 (one year ago) Permalink

republicans claim the moral high ground by hiring teenagers for sex, not dating them

the free market at work

bayland rippenkroeger, stunt artiste (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:33 (one year ago) Permalink

almost put him on the list actually xp

slathered in cream and covered with stickers (silby), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:33 (one year ago) Permalink

he's also dated a 19 year old

nice

j., Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:34 (one year ago) Permalink

almost put him on the list actually xp

dmac???

bayland rippenkroeger, stunt artiste (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:36 (one year ago) Permalink

all growed up

Brittanie Rae Mountz, LMFT offers individual and couples counseling. Offices in San Francisco and Berkeley.

salthigh, Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:36 (one year ago) Permalink

he might be all right, he has union support

Unions will be systematically starved of members and money between now and 2018 at least

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:39 (one year ago) Permalink

yea i meant more that he can signal working class empathy & support better than someone like HRC

marcos, Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:53 (one year ago) Permalink

Marty Walsh is interesting – but untested. If, however, we can dig up Menino and insert some kind of robotic endoskeleton. Or what about Somerville, Massachusetts' own Joseph Curtatone?

potential grizzly (remy bean), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:54 (one year ago) Permalink

yeah the dating a 19 year old thing is what i was getting at

the late great, Wednesday, 1 February 2017 23:06 (one year ago) Permalink

really it was nothing sheesh

Mother Teresa May I (darraghmac), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 23:07 (one year ago) Permalink

politics are often shitty. luckily, no politician is indispensable, so you can dispose of one and replace them with another one you like better. but don't kid yourself that the new one isn't going to employ the same shitty calculations in order to get elected. they'll just apply the calculations to different positions on different contentious issues than the old ones voters have moved on from.

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 18 January 2019 19:14 (three days ago) Permalink

i'd be more interested in politicians explaining forthrightly why and how the position changed. it would force them to walk through how you could get from A to B, "i once thought X but as i talked to Y it became clear to me that i was seeing the whole thing wrong in Z way" or whatever. maybe not a great soundbite but more revealing to a potential voter, and more useful in advancing the national conversation. but i also spent way too much time last evening to argue with an anti-immigrant cousin on facebook so i also have emotional stakes in the idea of "there's surely some way to put this into words that helps fox viewers on the journey to realizing they've been duped"...

|Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Friday, 18 January 2019 19:48 (three days ago) Permalink

bizarre to me that people hold it against an elected official for accurately representing the desires of their constituents. that is the fucking job.

Οὖτις, Friday, 18 January 2019 20:05 (three days ago) Permalink

Seems to get overlooked that Gillibrand has been a liberal senator for way longer than she was a conservative congresswoman

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Friday, 18 January 2019 20:28 (three days ago) Permalink

that's because the only things that matter are the bad things duh

Οὖτις, Friday, 18 January 2019 20:33 (three days ago) Permalink

which she did because of the pure evil in her heart, whereas the good stuff was all just done to appease voters

Οὖτις, Friday, 18 January 2019 20:34 (three days ago) Permalink

bizarre to me that people hold it against an elected official for accurately representing the desires of their constituents. that is the fucking job

if that's the job then basically no one is doing it? public opinion on many issues is consistently well to the left of most liberal orthodoxy as we literally just saw w. the AOC tax kerfuffle

resident hack (Simon H.), Friday, 18 January 2019 20:37 (three days ago) Permalink

I'm impressed that silby got Jay Inslee on this poll two full years ago

Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 18 January 2019 20:37 (three days ago) Permalink

bizarre to me that people hold it against an elected official for accurately representing the desires of their constituents. that is the fucking job.

― Οὖτις, Friday, January 18, 2019 12:05 PM (thirty-two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

…is it? I don't think of it that way

I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Friday, 18 January 2019 20:39 (three days ago) Permalink

xp local bias

I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Friday, 18 January 2019 20:39 (three days ago) Permalink

like it was blatantly knuckleheaded of me to miss Gillebrand

I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Friday, 18 January 2019 20:39 (three days ago) Permalink

*Gillibrand

I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Friday, 18 January 2019 20:39 (three days ago) Permalink

if that's the job then basically no one is doing it? public opinion on many issues is consistently well to the left of most liberal orthodoxy as we literally just saw w. the AOC tax kerfuffle

lol @ equating public opinion with legislating. I know you know this but... the only person representing the entire country is the President, and yes he is doing his level shittiest. But everybody else represents *specific sets of the population* and for the most part Senators and Representatives do that very well, which is (broadly speaking) why they win re-election. If they don't represent their constituents they lose office

Οὖτις, Friday, 18 January 2019 20:47 (three days ago) Permalink

that's fine but to say they're "accurately representing the desires" of constituents rather than "doing an acceptable job based on what people generally perceive as being possible within the restraints of the current political system" are different statements

resident hack (Simon H.), Friday, 18 January 2019 20:50 (three days ago) Permalink

anyway

No one will confuse Gillibrand’s rhetoric with Warren, the other senator in the race right now. “Your economy only grows when you right-size immigration.”

— Dave Weigel (@daveweigel) January 18, 2019

resident hack (Simon H.), Friday, 18 January 2019 21:08 (three days ago) Permalink

are different statements

are they?

Οὖτις, Friday, 18 January 2019 21:10 (three days ago) Permalink

imo yes but let's not bore everyone with this all day

resident hack (Simon H.), Friday, 18 January 2019 21:11 (three days ago) Permalink

Yeah, forget everything I ever said about KG up thread. She's decided her path to the nomination is a total disimpassioned centrist voter who doesn't exist in the party primary. Great strategy 👍

Johnny Fever, Friday, 18 January 2019 21:11 (three days ago) Permalink

anyway

No one will confuse Gillibrand’s rhetoric with Warren, the other senator in the race right now. “Your economy only grows when you right-size immigration.”
— Dave Weigel (@daveweigel) January 18, 2019
― resident hack (Simon H.), Friday, January 18, 2019 1:08 PM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

in fairness a replier says that's from 2006 and that she's recanted

https://t.co/rpGbyMVmNv pic.twitter.com/sCBGaZjql9

— Matthew Whelan (@sullivanst) January 18, 2019

i personally don't really forgive that kind of stuff but ymmv and maybe you weren't called a fucking refugee as a child by your peers

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Friday, 18 January 2019 21:13 (three days ago) Permalink

yeah I got mixed up cause Wiegel had just been posting current quotes. anyway yeah it's a shitty thing to say and to have to explain/walk back.apologize for

resident hack (Simon H.), Friday, 18 January 2019 21:17 (three days ago) Permalink

Shakey I don't agree with your oft-repeated thesis that seems to be basically elect anyone with a (D) after their name and they will somehow read your (and the rest of the voters of your district) mind and do your bidding once elected. Seems way more reasonable to me to vote for the person who has held and continues to hold views with which you agree.

Maybe you think opportunists are better at negotiation?

DJI, Friday, 18 January 2019 21:23 (three days ago) Permalink

Or are you just arguing for calling your representatives more?

DJI, Friday, 18 January 2019 21:24 (three days ago) Permalink

lol the "right-size immigration" quote was in fact from today apparently

Today! I was right next to her.

— Dave Weigel (@daveweigel) January 18, 2019

resident hack (Simon H.), Friday, 18 January 2019 21:27 (three days ago) Permalink

fuck

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Friday, 18 January 2019 21:28 (three days ago) Permalink

ugh, that's bad

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 18 January 2019 21:30 (three days ago) Permalink

o
pen
bor
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*clap clap clapclapclap*

I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Friday, 18 January 2019 21:38 (three days ago) Permalink

being anti immigration is shitty but plz let's not forget that she used the word "rightsize"

Mordy, Friday, 18 January 2019 21:43 (three days ago) Permalink

talk about corporate Dems

I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Friday, 18 January 2019 21:47 (three days ago) Permalink

i mean the idea that there should be a limit on immigration and that number should be finite is not a completely indefensible position, but expressed in that kind of language and with her history she honestly seems like a MF with some dark secrets

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 18 January 2019 21:49 (three days ago) Permalink

She was pro “abolish ICE” iirc

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Friday, 18 January 2019 21:51 (three days ago) Permalink

Shakey I don't agree with your oft-repeated thesis that seems to be basically elect anyone with a (D) after their name and they will somehow read your (and the rest of the voters of your district) mind and do your bidding once elected...

Good congressional representatives listen to their constituents. That's the job, representing the people in your district, state, whatever. every single one of them knows this is their number one priority, because they know who votes them into office. If they are bad at managing their constituent interests, handling complaints, responding to inquiries, etc., they tend to get voted out. that's all I'm saying. And that's what you want - a rep that listens to the voters! One that doesn't is either dangerous (ie, says one thing to get elected, then takes office and does some totally different stuff because of "deeply held beliefs", for ex.) or stupid. So it's weird to criticize someone like Gillibrand for representing a fairly conservative District by saying shit that would appeal to that District and getting an A+ rating from the NRA or whatever. Those aren't things I like about her, by any means, but y'know, I think it's pretty clear that's why she did it. And now that she represents a different constituency, she's saying and doing different things. There's nothing inherently wrong with her changing her positions to suit her constituency. I know if I vote for someone for President my number one priority isn't that they agree w me about everything in their heart of hearts, it's that they will do what the voters tell them to. That's how representative democracy is supposed to work.

Or are you just arguing for calling your representatives more?

absolutely! This is always a good idea.

xp

Οὖτις, Friday, 18 January 2019 21:52 (three days ago) Permalink

I prefer heart-of-hearts agreement. Much harder to corrupt!

DJI, Friday, 18 January 2019 21:57 (three days ago) Permalink

so you never would have voted for FDR or LBJ eh - ie a plutocrat and a thoroughly corrupt racist, respectively - who nonetheless passed the most significant liberal legislation ever and basically reshaped America.

Οὖτις, Friday, 18 January 2019 22:04 (three days ago) Permalink

Probably not in the primary!

DJI, Friday, 18 January 2019 22:04 (three days ago) Permalink

^^^

especially since if we ARE trying to get the other politicians to shift in the wind, a strong primary showing by a candidate w/ different positions is one lever to make that happen. it's not a super reliable level sure but c'mon, makes more sense than voting for the person who's further from your values and hoping they'll realize how conflicted you were about it and change their positions despite winning in a landslide.

|Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Friday, 18 January 2019 22:22 (three days ago) Permalink

this is why we should all be rooting for an absolute ideological bloodbath and encourage as many distinct candidates to enter the fray as possible imho

(just not Hillary lol)

resident hack (Simon H.), Friday, 18 January 2019 22:24 (three days ago) Permalink

right-size immigration

the kind Goldilocks chose

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 18 January 2019 22:47 (three days ago) Permalink

Goldilocks got eated doe

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Friday, 18 January 2019 23:50 (three days ago) Permalink

Granted that it shouldn’t even require a response but this is pretty good

Here is Kirsten Gillibrand's full response to an Iowan's question about calling for Al Franken to resign after a series of allegations were leveled against him: pic.twitter.com/VUWfm29rgp

— Dan Merica (@merica) January 19, 2019

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Saturday, 19 January 2019 03:22 (two days ago) Permalink

I like that statement

Dan S, Saturday, 19 January 2019 03:34 (two days ago) Permalink

Good statement but I hate that we're still at the stage where you have to insert some anecdote about being a parent in order to make this sort of statement palatable to the pricks

resident hack (Simon H.), Saturday, 19 January 2019 03:41 (two days ago) Permalink

She didn’t have to. If she was cool she’d just say “fuck everyone, i advocated what i thought was best. No one forced franken to resign.”

Trϵϵship, Saturday, 19 January 2019 05:03 (two days ago) Permalink

The “fuck everyone” part is key

Trϵϵship, Saturday, 19 January 2019 05:03 (two days ago) Permalink

Here's Cory Booker at a charter school rally in New Orleans today, testing out what sounds like a stump speech, quoting poetry and talking about his father. Needless to say he's one of few prospective 2020 Dems who would keynote a charter rally right now https://t.co/r0boPKntbM

— Eliza Shapiro (@elizashapiro) January 18, 2019

resident hack (Simon H.), Saturday, 19 January 2019 05:49 (two days ago) Permalink

Same lines he did at Netroots. I snoozed there too.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 20 January 2019 00:17 (yesterday) Permalink

getting the feeling this crowded field is gonna thin out pretty quickly

resident hack (Simon H.), Sunday, 20 January 2019 00:34 (yesterday) Permalink

can someone put AOC in a flash-forward machine

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Sunday, 20 January 2019 00:43 (yesterday) Permalink

Weigel's further coverage of Gillibrand events in Iowa has been more reassuring. That "right-size immigration" shit was a huge gaffe, but perhaps all is not lost.

Johnny Fever, Sunday, 20 January 2019 01:29 (yesterday) Permalink

there's of course the MSM horse-race coverage which considers actual policy a subsidiary issue

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 20 January 2019 03:34 (yesterday) Permalink

I just googled "right-size immigration," and apparently Gillibrand has been using that line for more than a decade. I found examples from 2007, 2009, and 2018. My guess is that it's such a stock phrase for her at this point that she hasn't stopped to reflect on how it sounds in 2019.

jaymc, Sunday, 20 January 2019 07:40 (yesterday) Permalink


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