2020 Democratic presidential primary

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Bernie Sanders
Tim Kaine
Michael Bloomberg
Andrew Cuomo
Cory Booker
Kamala Harris
Tammy Duckworth
Jay Inslee
Terry McAuliffe
Joe Biden
Elizabeth Warren
Alison Lundergan Grimes
Martin O'Malley
someone else


slathered in cream and covered with stickers (silby), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 20:10 (two years ago) Permalink

Gillebrand?

voodoo chili, Wednesday, 1 February 2017 20:10 (two years ago) Permalink

ah fuck oh well

slathered in cream and covered with stickers (silby), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 20:11 (two years ago) Permalink

oprah ✔️

bayland rippenkroeger, stunt artiste (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 20:11 (two years ago) Permalink

Symmetry required gabbneb to start this.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 20:12 (two years ago) Permalink

I'm on my lunch break

slathered in cream and covered with stickers (silby), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 20:12 (two years ago) Permalink

police state, no more elections!!!

I Am In Atlanta And Thug Is Young (imago), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 20:15 (two years ago) Permalink

plz don't

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 20:19 (two years ago) Permalink

warren i guess

flappy bird, Wednesday, 1 February 2017 20:25 (two years ago) Permalink

eager beaver here

F♯ A♯ (∞), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 21:15 (two years ago) Permalink

imago otm

the late great, Wednesday, 1 February 2017 21:27 (two years ago) Permalink

gotta be Hilary, show those misogynists they can't win

sheer presence, look and size (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 21:45 (two years ago) Permalink

most of these people suck

marcos, Wednesday, 1 February 2017 21:46 (two years ago) Permalink

I think we need to recruit bruce springsteen

iatee, Wednesday, 1 February 2017 21:48 (two years ago) Permalink

god, politics suck

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 21:49 (two years ago) Permalink

martin omalley dot com

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1SdjRSqqHE

marcos, Wednesday, 1 February 2017 21:50 (two years ago) Permalink

tbf even the lamest of these accommodating fucks will represent real change in 2020

sheer presence, look and size (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 21:51 (two years ago) Permalink

let us see what happens tomorrow

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 21:52 (two years ago) Permalink

Duckworth hasn't distinguished herself during the nomination process/voting, but theoretically I'm okay with putting up a veteran/child of an immigrant up against Trump.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 21:59 (two years ago) Permalink

gotta be Hilary, show those misogynists they can't win

OTM

My Body's Made of Crushed Little Evening Stars (Sund4r), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:02 (two years ago) Permalink

really don't wanna know what Trump would have to say about Tammy Duckworth.

frogbs, Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:04 (two years ago) Permalink

I'm basically on board for Harris and Duckworth; I don't know if Jay Inslee is really likely to explore a run but he's been a good governor and maybe he will gain some national prominence suing the present administration.

slathered in cream and covered with stickers (silby), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:05 (two years ago) Permalink

I like every one of these people and would happily vote for them and give my money to their campaign

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:07 (two years ago) Permalink

same goes for HRC btw

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:11 (two years ago) Permalink

And Buttigieg! What about my man Buttigieg?!

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:11 (two years ago) Permalink

stoppppppppppp dave stoppppppppppp

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:13 (two years ago) Permalink

Disclaimer - I'm a midwesterner and probably don't know enough about my proposal here: I'm really not super-aware of his politics (I know progressives have tried to run against him in primaries in CA), but something always gets me about Gavin Newsom whenever he's on Real Time or news programs. I know he's done good things for homeless issues/causes. same-sex marriage, marijuana legalization, etc. There's a gravitas about him that just telegraphs potential youth vote/new blood presidential candidate.

BlackIronPrison, Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:14 (two years ago) Permalink

gavin newsom has skeletons in his closet

the late great, Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:18 (two years ago) Permalink

i think at this point he is a bit too much of a stereotypical big city liberal w/ loose morals to really make a palatable national candidate

maybe when he is older

the late great, Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:19 (two years ago) Permalink

Newsom and Harris both strike me as too in-the-bed with finance/Clinton neoliberalism to get people excited to turn out in vote. (Alternately, the Dems might be able to nominate Roger Clinton and Billy Carter in 2020 and win.)

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:19 (two years ago) Permalink

wait he's a pirate? xp

flappy bird, Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:20 (two years ago) Permalink

(not to even mention Bloomberg)

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:20 (two years ago) Permalink

actually the shit i am referring to happened when i was living in the bay area which was about 10 years ago now, i.e. ancient history, maybe it doesn't matter

the late great, Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:22 (two years ago) Permalink

newsom is kind of a dumbass too and the gop would like to highlight his tenure as mayor of sodom aka san francisco when this happened

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKGBgb0XKVs

he's also dated a 19 year old

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=2581600

carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:25 (two years ago) Permalink

FISH CANNOT CARRY GUNS

and also Kamala Harris and Joe Biden

potential grizzly (remy bean), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:25 (two years ago) Permalink

There's a gravitas about him that just telegraphs potential

honestly thought this sentence was gonna end 'serial killer'

iatee, Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:26 (two years ago) Permalink

Brittanie Mountz sounds like a porn name

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:28 (two years ago) Permalink

i dated a 19 year old

admittedly its not in the top ten reasons im not gunning for the top political jobs but still

Mother Teresa May I (darraghmac), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:30 (two years ago) Permalink

maybe not for 2020 but i wonder of mahty wahlsh has national ambitions, esp seeing the way he's come out against trump's immigration ban. he might be all right, he has union support and working class youth, people are weirdly enamored w/ boston accents

marcos, Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:32 (two years ago) Permalink

working class youth roots

marcos, Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:32 (two years ago) Permalink

republicans claim the moral high ground by hiring teenagers for sex, not dating them

the free market at work

bayland rippenkroeger, stunt artiste (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:33 (two years ago) Permalink

almost put him on the list actually xp

slathered in cream and covered with stickers (silby), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:33 (two years ago) Permalink

he's also dated a 19 year old

nice

j., Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:34 (two years ago) Permalink

almost put him on the list actually xp

dmac???

bayland rippenkroeger, stunt artiste (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:36 (two years ago) Permalink

all growed up

Brittanie Rae Mountz, LMFT offers individual and couples counseling. Offices in San Francisco and Berkeley.

salthigh, Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:36 (two years ago) Permalink

he might be all right, he has union support

Unions will be systematically starved of members and money between now and 2018 at least

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:39 (two years ago) Permalink

yea i meant more that he can signal working class empathy & support better than someone like HRC

marcos, Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:53 (two years ago) Permalink

Marty Walsh is interesting – but untested. If, however, we can dig up Menino and insert some kind of robotic endoskeleton. Or what about Somerville, Massachusetts' own Joseph Curtatone?

potential grizzly (remy bean), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:54 (two years ago) Permalink

yeah the dating a 19 year old thing is what i was getting at

the late great, Wednesday, 1 February 2017 23:06 (two years ago) Permalink

really it was nothing sheesh

Mother Teresa May I (darraghmac), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 23:07 (two years ago) Permalink

it's not like. not that weird of an idiom

moose; squirrel (silby), Monday, 25 March 2019 17:24 (yesterday) Permalink

gonna guess it translates a bit wonky

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 25 March 2019 17:29 (yesterday) Permalink

gonna tentatively translate it as "I'm going straight to hell but I'm not going to sink my political future by saying outright it may have been wrong of me to be a soldier"

moose; squirrel (silby), Monday, 25 March 2019 17:33 (yesterday) Permalink

As for the ethics of soldiering: as the Afghans say, "a lamb will be hung up by its own legs, and a goat by its own."

VS.

One might as well be hanged for a sheep as a lamb.

These do seem to convey pretty similar ideas, using very similar imagery, but the Afghan one seems more cynical and brutal. The English saying refers to differing degrees of guilt resulting in uniformity of punishment, so if you commit a crime, you may as well make it a big one. The Afghan saying refers to both the innocent and the guilty getting butchered, so in the end there's no difference between them.

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 25 March 2019 18:05 (yesterday) Permalink

well, that's one possible campaign message.

I did not carry an assault weapon around a foreign country so I could come home and see them used to massacre my countrymen.
— Pete Buttigieg (@PeteButtigieg) October 2, 2017

this is one of those "so close, but..." things. i don't understand how someone as sharp as buttigieg could have decided it was a good idea to be an ambassador for US imperialism. unless it's as cynical as "this will help my political ambitions." i mean, i would buy that he just "wanted to serve my country" as they all say if his dad wasn't a gramsci scholar and didn't, by pete's own admission, inculcate him in a kind of radical political skepticism. and it's not like, as with so many people who enlist, he desperately needed the money or college loans. maybe he just wanted the adventure; he wouldn't be the first.

maybe i'm just a cynical jerk.

affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Monday, 25 March 2019 22:14 (yesterday) Permalink

well it's blithely accepting of US military adventurism but come on the tweet is about gun control and in dialogue with NRA fuckos who were like "we fought for our freedom to carry guns at home", I don't think he was trying to burnish a hawkish profile. If we're being hermeneutical about it.

moose; squirrel (silby), Monday, 25 March 2019 22:19 (yesterday) Permalink

According to his wiki he was a commissioned officer. He's still in the naval reserve too.

I have mixed feelings about the US military as a whole but silby is otm about the tweet.

Yerac, Monday, 25 March 2019 22:24 (yesterday) Permalink

He's not shy about calling attention to his military service. Apparently this is now a thing among up and coming Democratic politicians.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 25 March 2019 22:27 (yesterday) Permalink

That's been a thing among up and coming Democrats forever, but especially since 2006.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Monday, 25 March 2019 22:28 (yesterday) Permalink

No one ever lost a race because they did time in the military. It might not win in the end (hello John Kerry) but it doesn't hurt.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Monday, 25 March 2019 22:29 (yesterday) Permalink

Like, he's a big believer in putting time in public service. I don't want it to be mandatory military service but at a certain point when so many grown ass adults are incapable of functioning in society or doing simple tasks to care for themselves, maybe that's what is needed. I could see that working in obtaining universal healthcare and ubi too.

Yerac, Monday, 25 March 2019 22:30 (yesterday) Permalink

Apparently this is now a thing

It has always been a thing among politicians. If you can claim military service, you do. It's as automatic as "I've met a payroll" from every politician who ever ran a business with an employee.

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 25 March 2019 22:30 (yesterday) Permalink

right. you just have to wonder about the motivations of guy raised in a left-wing household for enlisting. i don't mean that to cast asperions, i just genuinely wonder what his attitude about it was.

i can't help thinking of the Laurence Harvey character in Manchurian Candidate, who is being groomed to hold political office and whose military service in Korea is simply a stepping stone to that, as it probably was in the case of JFK. (which doesn't say anything about how such real and fictional folks actually got on once they were in the military.) not that Mayor Pete's parents put him up to it... just wondering if there's an element of him burnishing his credentials from the start. or if he was just genuinely curious to have a military-sponsored adventure and only later realized it would come in handy.

affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Monday, 25 March 2019 22:33 (yesterday) Permalink

i know the Manchurian Candidate analogy is bizarre and off base, it's just something that popped into my mind as a pop-cultural instance of someone joining the military to help jumpstart a military career. although obviously in that particular scenario there's a little more to it. ;)

affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Monday, 25 March 2019 22:34 (yesterday) Permalink

he was commissioned which is different, than just , like high schooler enlisting.

Yerac, Monday, 25 March 2019 22:37 (yesterday) Permalink

disregard that. I kind of don't even want to get into whatever is this tangent.

Yerac, Monday, 25 March 2019 22:38 (yesterday) Permalink

i'm just wondering why buttigieg (a guy steeped in left-wing critiques of american foreign policy) joined the military is all.

affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Monday, 25 March 2019 22:40 (yesterday) Permalink

maybe he was just rebelling.

affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Monday, 25 March 2019 22:40 (yesterday) Permalink

my communist friend's communist partner was in the Army, and they're now both communist PhD students

moose; squirrel (silby), Monday, 25 March 2019 22:41 (yesterday) Permalink

you never know!

moose; squirrel (silby), Monday, 25 March 2019 22:41 (yesterday) Permalink

my communist friend's communist partner was in the Army, and they're now both communist PhD students

good belle and sebastian song!

affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Monday, 25 March 2019 22:41 (yesterday) Permalink

The Russian revolution was full of soldiers and ex-soldiers and would have failed without the rapid creation of the Red Army. There is nothing inherent in leftism that requires pacifism, and revolutionary leftism especially tends to embrace militarism.

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 25 March 2019 22:49 (yesterday) Permalink

i can only think of one person here that was in the us military but there has to be others?

Yerac, Monday, 25 March 2019 23:03 (yesterday) Permalink

There is nothing inherent in leftism that requires pacifism

of course not, but i'm not talking about pacificism, i'm talking about contributing to an imperialist ameriKKKA's military adventurism in the middle east. i mean, it's one thing for a leftist to have joined the abraham lincoln brigade, quite another to, say, buddy up with the contras.

affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Monday, 25 March 2019 23:04 (yesterday) Permalink

(think of "AmeriKKKa" in light scare quotes)

affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Monday, 25 March 2019 23:05 (yesterday) Permalink

When did you decide to join the military?

I joined the Reserves and started drilling in late 2009.

And why did you decide to join the military at that point? You had already graduated from Harvard.

I mean I would say, like a lot of people, it probably first entered my mind around the time of 9/11, but it always felt like there was something else going on that I needed to focus on, whether it was school or work.

And things really started to shift for me when I visited Iowa. I was a campaign volunteer and knocking on doors in a low-income area of South Central Iowa. I was with a couple of old friends from Harvard. It was just really striking how many teenagers from these rural towns were headed straight to the military as soon as they were old enough.

And it prompted some soul searching for us. I got to thinking about how many of my Harvard classmates had served and there weren't many. Of course, I was raised on some of the legends of the Kennedys and other figures from previous generations, when actually going to a place like Harvard meant it was almost assumed that you would serve. And by the time I was there, the reverse was true.

And so it prompted me to ask myself, "If teenagers in rural communities are routinely stepping up and serving, why have I not been wearing my country's uniform?" And I saw the Reserve as an opportunity to continue to have my career in the private sector. I was in management consulting at the time, but also be doing some kind of public service.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Monday, 25 March 2019 23:08 (yesterday) Permalink

I don't find his joining that surprising? He's not a leftist firebrand by any stretch of the imagination. If Obama was 20 years younger, he would have given the same response.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Monday, 25 March 2019 23:09 (yesterday) Permalink

decent movies more often than not tbf

fremme nette his simplicitte (darraghmac), Monday, 25 March 2019 23:19 (yesterday) Permalink

woof

Great to meet today in my office with California AIPAC leaders to discuss the need for a strong U.S.-Israel alliance, the right of Israel to defend itself, and my commitment to combat anti-Semitism in our country and around the world. pic.twitter.com/83Yrrbw4Q8

— Kamala Harris (@SenKamalaHarris) March 25, 2019

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Monday, 25 March 2019 23:38 (yesterday) Permalink

😎

fremme nette his simplicitte (darraghmac), Monday, 25 March 2019 23:40 (yesterday) Permalink

yeah, wdn't vote for Mayor Pete in a million years just off that fucking tripe

xxp

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 25 March 2019 23:40 (yesterday) Permalink

Kamala, you're supposed to say "to defend HERself"

btw fuck you, copper

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 25 March 2019 23:41 (yesterday) Permalink

I feel like ex-soldiers are ideally placed to critique imperialism.

Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 26 March 2019 03:40 (nineteen hours ago) Permalink

that's true!

affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Tuesday, 26 March 2019 03:42 (nineteen hours ago) Permalink

mammals are creatures who make decisions based on feelings

Hunt3r, Tuesday, 26 March 2019 03:44 (nineteen hours ago) Permalink

my bff was so disillusioned with america after serving in the marines that he left the country.

also the most irl left-wing person ive ever worked with was ex-AF.

it be like that sometimes

but bootage-edge is not a hardcore lefty and he's still not better than LIZ

you know who deserves sitewide mod privileges? (m bison), Tuesday, 26 March 2019 04:01 (nineteen hours ago) Permalink

it just occurred to me that Buttguy's reasoning is almost identical to the disgraced Missouri governor's story about becoming a SEAL. Both played up a "despite my humanitarian efforts/privilege, I just didn't think I was doing enough vs the salt of the earth who were joining up."

Which is to say I'd place a bet on ambition and resume-building

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Tuesday, 26 March 2019 04:23 (eighteen hours ago) Permalink

i actually find it plausible and identifiable that someone's not-particularly-sound reaction to the first puncturing of their class bubble might be "oh shit i have to subject myself to what the Others are subjected to, immediately", whether or not you understood yet that what they're subjected to is the job of subjecting the other others. it's also possible-- indeed easy-- indeed inevitable-- to be startled by the puncturing of yr class bubble even if yr dad is a gramsci scholar. but yeah he is obv an ambitious guy and it is funny that he's willing to admit this revelation came to him in iowa.

difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 26 March 2019 08:55 (fourteen hours ago) Permalink

and yeah i have known plenty of leftie ex-military, tho that is slightly different.

the most irl left-wing person ive ever worked with was ex-AF.

read this as "ex as fuck" and was like, same

difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 26 March 2019 09:04 (fourteen hours ago) Permalink

just look at the state of this, smdh

Beto's new campaign manager, Jennifer O’Malley Dillon, comes from Precision Strategies, a corporate strategy firm that has repped GE, Bank of America, Humana, Pfizer and Facebook, among others.

— Lee Fang (@lhfang) March 25, 2019

i'm w/ tato, super hot AND weird!! (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 26 March 2019 13:39 (nine hours ago) Permalink

but Frederik has told us that Lee Fang is a Russian spy

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 26 March 2019 13:56 (nine hours ago) Permalink

tbf kind of burying the lede there (she was obama's deputy campaign manager in 2012)

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 26 March 2019 16:49 (six hours ago) Permalink

idk how much I care about that. PR strategy is PR strategy.

⅋ (crüt), Tuesday, 26 March 2019 17:36 (five hours ago) Permalink

yeah me neither. but fang knows "she did the exact job o'rourke hired her to do for the previous democrat to win the presidency" doesn't have quite the same rhetorical effect.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 26 March 2019 17:50 (five hours ago) Permalink

well obv Beto is the New Obama... does he have a clergyman to disown, though?

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 26 March 2019 17:52 (five hours ago) Permalink

maybe he'll own his campaign director for working at jobs.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 26 March 2019 17:54 (five hours ago) Permalink

"I can't disown my pastor for owning a Dave Matthews record any more than I can disown my own mother for liking post-sellout Goo Goo Dolls songs."

We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Tuesday, 26 March 2019 18:00 (five hours ago) Permalink

decent movies more often than not tbf

not 100% convinced on your maths here

steven, soda jerk (sic), Tuesday, 26 March 2019 18:50 (four hours ago) Permalink


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