2020 Democratic presidential primary

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Bernie Sanders
Tim Kaine
Michael Bloomberg
Andrew Cuomo
Cory Booker
Kamala Harris
Tammy Duckworth
Jay Inslee
Terry McAuliffe
Joe Biden
Elizabeth Warren
Alison Lundergan Grimes
Martin O'Malley
someone else


slathered in cream and covered with stickers (silby), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 20:10 (two years ago) link

Gillebrand?

voodoo chili, Wednesday, 1 February 2017 20:10 (two years ago) link

ah fuck oh well

slathered in cream and covered with stickers (silby), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 20:11 (two years ago) link

oprah ✔️

bayland rippenkroeger, stunt artiste (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 20:11 (two years ago) link

Symmetry required gabbneb to start this.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 20:12 (two years ago) link

I'm on my lunch break

slathered in cream and covered with stickers (silby), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 20:12 (two years ago) link

police state, no more elections!!!

I Am In Atlanta And Thug Is Young (imago), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 20:15 (two years ago) link

plz don't

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 20:19 (two years ago) link

warren i guess

flappy bird, Wednesday, 1 February 2017 20:25 (two years ago) link

eager beaver here

F♯ A♯ (∞), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 21:15 (two years ago) link

imago otm

the late great, Wednesday, 1 February 2017 21:27 (two years ago) link

gotta be Hilary, show those misogynists they can't win

sheer presence, look and size (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 21:45 (two years ago) link

most of these people suck

marcos, Wednesday, 1 February 2017 21:46 (two years ago) link

I think we need to recruit bruce springsteen

iatee, Wednesday, 1 February 2017 21:48 (two years ago) link

god, politics suck

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 21:49 (two years ago) link

martin omalley dot com

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1SdjRSqqHE

marcos, Wednesday, 1 February 2017 21:50 (two years ago) link

tbf even the lamest of these accommodating fucks will represent real change in 2020

sheer presence, look and size (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 21:51 (two years ago) link

let us see what happens tomorrow

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 21:52 (two years ago) link

Duckworth hasn't distinguished herself during the nomination process/voting, but theoretically I'm okay with putting up a veteran/child of an immigrant up against Trump.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 21:59 (two years ago) link

gotta be Hilary, show those misogynists they can't win

OTM

My Body's Made of Crushed Little Evening Stars (Sund4r), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:02 (two years ago) link

really don't wanna know what Trump would have to say about Tammy Duckworth.

frogbs, Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:04 (two years ago) link

I'm basically on board for Harris and Duckworth; I don't know if Jay Inslee is really likely to explore a run but he's been a good governor and maybe he will gain some national prominence suing the present administration.

slathered in cream and covered with stickers (silby), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:05 (two years ago) link

I like every one of these people and would happily vote for them and give my money to their campaign

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:07 (two years ago) link

same goes for HRC btw

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:11 (two years ago) link

And Buttigieg! What about my man Buttigieg?!

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:11 (two years ago) link

stoppppppppppp dave stoppppppppppp

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:13 (two years ago) link

Disclaimer - I'm a midwesterner and probably don't know enough about my proposal here: I'm really not super-aware of his politics (I know progressives have tried to run against him in primaries in CA), but something always gets me about Gavin Newsom whenever he's on Real Time or news programs. I know he's done good things for homeless issues/causes. same-sex marriage, marijuana legalization, etc. There's a gravitas about him that just telegraphs potential youth vote/new blood presidential candidate.

BlackIronPrison, Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:14 (two years ago) link

gavin newsom has skeletons in his closet

the late great, Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:18 (two years ago) link

i think at this point he is a bit too much of a stereotypical big city liberal w/ loose morals to really make a palatable national candidate

maybe when he is older

the late great, Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:19 (two years ago) link

Newsom and Harris both strike me as too in-the-bed with finance/Clinton neoliberalism to get people excited to turn out in vote. (Alternately, the Dems might be able to nominate Roger Clinton and Billy Carter in 2020 and win.)

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:19 (two years ago) link

wait he's a pirate? xp

flappy bird, Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:20 (two years ago) link

(not to even mention Bloomberg)

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:20 (two years ago) link

actually the shit i am referring to happened when i was living in the bay area which was about 10 years ago now, i.e. ancient history, maybe it doesn't matter

the late great, Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:22 (two years ago) link

newsom is kind of a dumbass too and the gop would like to highlight his tenure as mayor of sodom aka san francisco when this happened

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKGBgb0XKVs

he's also dated a 19 year old

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=2581600

carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:25 (two years ago) link

FISH CANNOT CARRY GUNS

and also Kamala Harris and Joe Biden

potential grizzly (remy bean), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:25 (two years ago) link

There's a gravitas about him that just telegraphs potential

honestly thought this sentence was gonna end 'serial killer'

iatee, Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:26 (two years ago) link

Brittanie Mountz sounds like a porn name

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:28 (two years ago) link

i dated a 19 year old

admittedly its not in the top ten reasons im not gunning for the top political jobs but still

Mother Teresa May I (darraghmac), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:30 (two years ago) link

maybe not for 2020 but i wonder of mahty wahlsh has national ambitions, esp seeing the way he's come out against trump's immigration ban. he might be all right, he has union support and working class youth, people are weirdly enamored w/ boston accents

marcos, Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:32 (two years ago) link

working class youth roots

marcos, Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:32 (two years ago) link

republicans claim the moral high ground by hiring teenagers for sex, not dating them

the free market at work

bayland rippenkroeger, stunt artiste (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:33 (two years ago) link

almost put him on the list actually xp

slathered in cream and covered with stickers (silby), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:33 (two years ago) link

he's also dated a 19 year old

nice

j., Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:34 (two years ago) link

almost put him on the list actually xp

dmac???

bayland rippenkroeger, stunt artiste (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:36 (two years ago) link

all growed up

Brittanie Rae Mountz, LMFT offers individual and couples counseling. Offices in San Francisco and Berkeley.

salthigh, Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:36 (two years ago) link

he might be all right, he has union support

Unions will be systematically starved of members and money between now and 2018 at least

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:39 (two years ago) link

yea i meant more that he can signal working class empathy & support better than someone like HRC

marcos, Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:53 (two years ago) link

Marty Walsh is interesting – but untested. If, however, we can dig up Menino and insert some kind of robotic endoskeleton. Or what about Somerville, Massachusetts' own Joseph Curtatone?

potential grizzly (remy bean), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:54 (two years ago) link

yeah the dating a 19 year old thing is what i was getting at

the late great, Wednesday, 1 February 2017 23:06 (two years ago) link

really it was nothing sheesh

Mother Teresa May I (darraghmac), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 23:07 (two years ago) link

I don't think it's controversial to say there'a a difference in magnitude between

actually silby was right I'm going back to alan rudolph

Simon H., Sunday, 17 November 2019 07:02 (yesterday) link

The benevolent people who voted for Reagan twice, Bush once, Clinton twice, Bush twice, Trump once, all they ever wanted was universal health care but ugh no one came up with that idea and presented it to them!

Van Horn Street, Sunday, 17 November 2019 07:03 (yesterday) link

Yeah there was never any massive corporations in France, Germany, Canada, Japan and in the UK.

Germany's healthcare system dates to the 19th century, the UK and France to the immediate aftermath of WW2. Massive corporations have put in quite a bit of work in all three undermining things in the neoliberal era.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Sunday, 17 November 2019 07:21 (yesterday) link

Incremental change in dismantling the NHS has been relatively successful, and it should be pointed out in that case that outright removal is unfeasible. The way to do it is to underfund it to the point where people complain about the service, and the question of privatisation becomes palatable (it still isn't yet, that still at least 5 years away I would say, depending on Brexit)

Incremental change and radical change are like a knife and fork. Useless if you have no dinner

anvil, Sunday, 17 November 2019 07:31 (yesterday) link

I appreciate when male white posters posture about incremental vs radical change early Sunday mornings

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 17 November 2019 13:03 (yesterday) link

When’s the best time?

Van Horn Street, Sunday, 17 November 2019 15:45 (yesterday) link

In the bathroom, door closed, posting to your Livejournal account

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 17 November 2019 15:52 (yesterday) link

Let’s see if that kind of policing will have an effect.

Van Horn Street, Sunday, 17 November 2019 15:59 (yesterday) link

I've lit a candle to St. Jude.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 17 November 2019 16:08 (yesterday) link

I believe that had the US population wanted universal health care they would have voted for it a long time ago.

I believe this shows an almost willful ignorance of the history of US politics and how the system operates. The political power of "the US population" is heavily diluted and diverted into channels that are defined for them by the wealthy, whose major interest is the maintenance of a global empire.

A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 17 November 2019 17:12 (yesterday) link

ugh I am really tired of ignorant crackpot energy. incrementalism is fucking bullshit, come fucking on

brimstead, Sunday, 17 November 2019 17:30 (yesterday) link

just shut the fuck up and stop trying to be a pundit or whatever. Please. For the children at least

brimstead, Sunday, 17 November 2019 17:31 (yesterday) link

not you aimless

brimstead, Sunday, 17 November 2019 17:36 (yesterday) link

Honest question then: how come other ultra-wealthy countries, some of which have higher rates of billionaires per capita (Sweden, Norway), others who have vast corporate interests abroad (France, Canada, UK), have managed to build solid universal health care institutions?

Van Horn Street, Sunday, 17 November 2019 17:40 (yesterday) link

Honest answer: smaller, less mobile populations operating under parliamentary systems, and the adoption of universal health care during their post-WWII, post-imperial, post-colonial 'reconstruction' periods.

A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 17 November 2019 17:51 (yesterday) link

Smaller populations I can get behind, parliamentary systems not as much. France and Italy and some latin American nations have systems that are closer to the US than to Westminster style politics and they have UHC.

Van Horn Street, Sunday, 17 November 2019 17:58 (yesterday) link

cant forget the specific strength of health care corporate lobbying and american exceptionalism i guess

i'm not a government man; i'm a government, man. (m bison), Sunday, 17 November 2019 18:01 (yesterday) link

Why would corporate health care lobbyism thrive in the US and not nearly as much in other nations?

Van Horn Street, Sunday, 17 November 2019 18:10 (yesterday) link

You might find some answers in this Beatrix Hoffman paper in '03 which seems to foretell the more unified push for M4A we're seeing now

Abstract

Because of the importance of grassroots social movements, or “change from below,” in the history of US reform, the relationship between social movements and demands for universal health care is a critical one.

National health reform campaigns in the 20th century were initiated and run by elites more concerned with defending against attacks from interest groups than with popular mobilization, and grassroots reformers in the labor, civil rights, feminist, and AIDS activist movements have concentrated more on immediate and incremental changes than on transforming the health care system itself.

However, grassroots health care demands have also contained the seeds of a wider critique of the American health care system, leading some movements to adopt calls for universal coverage.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1447696/

Simon H., Sunday, 17 November 2019 18:20 (yesterday) link

*from '03

Simon H., Sunday, 17 November 2019 18:21 (yesterday) link

Why would corporate health care lobbyism thrive in the US and not nearly as much in other nations?

― Van Horn Street, Sunday, November 17, 2019 12:10 PM (twelve minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

a lot of things. cold war fears of anything socialist sounding. AMA lobbying against medicare. US conservatism built around dismantling the welfare state bc of perception that it disproportionately helps people of color. lower tax rates and cheap credit means more lobbying dollars.

i'm not a government man; i'm a government, man. (m bison), Sunday, 17 November 2019 18:29 (yesterday) link

incrementalism is fucking bullshit, come fucking on

― brimstead, Sonntag, 17. November 2019 18:30 (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

whenever I read this, I'm reminded of this Sanpaku post:

On the Right, they can pursue more restrictions on reproductive rights at late-term, then 20 weeks, then closer to conception, etc. They're willing to accept the grind towards achieving whatever dystopia they're after.

On the Left, if a climate crisis solution doesn't perfectly meet everyone's needs, some environmental groups will actively oppose it rather than seek to correct its faults at a later date.

― Distribution of all possible outcomes (Sanpaku), Montag, 21. November 2016 03:56 (two years ago) bookmarkflaglink

groovemaaan, Sunday, 17 November 2019 18:33 (yesterday) link

so is everyone going to be hella disappointed and not vote is Buttigeig winds up getting the nomination? If he gets the nom, who should he pick as a running mate? I vote Castro.

akm, Sunday, 17 November 2019 19:00 (yesterday) link

Buttigieg would pick Tim Kaine again.

Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Sunday, 17 November 2019 19:02 (yesterday) link

he will probably pick michael bennet or something lame like that. castro talked to shit pete's face at the debate and is angling for a progressive candidate's VP slot

i'm not a government man; i'm a government, man. (m bison), Sunday, 17 November 2019 19:06 (yesterday) link

Why would corporate health care lobbyism thrive in the US and not nearly as much in other nations?

Look at history for a moment. When did corporate health care end in those other nations? Compared to today, corporate involvement in US health care was minimal prior to 1960. Hospitals were largely run by municipalities, churches, or non-profits. Pharmaceuticals were nowhere near as important then, since the explosion in the development of new drugs hadn't happened, yet. Doctors mostly operated independently, or in small clinics.

Truman's proposed national health care wasn't lobbied to death by corporations, but by the AMA, who claimed vociferously that it would destroy the Norman Rockwell version of the kindly family doctor and replace it with SOCIALISM, which was very effective propaganda around the time the USSR exploded its first atomic weapon and was creating the "Iron Curtain" control of Eastern Europe.

Because those other nations have had their national health care systems in place for roughly 60 or 70 years, contemporaneous to Truman's failed effort, why would corporate health care even exist in those countries in any form resembling the mega-corporations now running things in the USA?

Just realize that your naïve questions indicate that you do not understand enough of the issue to justify the positivity of your opinions. Hold open the idea that you are wrong, because you are relying on drawing your conclusions from an insufficient fund of knowledge.

A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 17 November 2019 19:20 (yesterday) link

otm

i'm not a government man; i'm a government, man. (m bison), Sunday, 17 November 2019 19:22 (yesterday) link

Buttigieg should pick Biden for VP

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Sunday, 17 November 2019 20:04 (yesterday) link

Buttigieg should pick Biden for VP

https://i.imgur.com/Tjpq33C.gif

Peaceful Warrior I Poser (Karl Malone), Sunday, 17 November 2019 21:02 (yesterday) link

Now do the ears.

nickn, Sunday, 17 November 2019 21:07 (yesterday) link

Rhonda,

Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Sunday, 17 November 2019 21:08 (yesterday) link

has he ever been naked

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 17 November 2019 21:09 (yesterday) link

the problem is that he doesn't have an ear hair issue. he's very well groomed, tbh, and photogenic. it's hard to find a bad photo of him (although part of that is google image search and how it's unintentionally (?) steering us toward a path of glossy/ideal life images as models, rather than real life). you gotta search for a while to come across anything that's more than just a poor photo.

but in constrast, for instance, type in louie gohmert and you're immediately confronted with pages of

https://i.imgur.com/JplkYxr.jpg

Peaceful Warrior I Poser (Karl Malone), Sunday, 17 November 2019 21:11 (yesterday) link

has he ever been naked

your imagination is blindered, no doubt unconsciously

A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 17 November 2019 21:12 (yesterday) link

Still believe that the large democratic segregationist base would have never allowed for a free health care given to black people and since they had so much power it worked.

Van Horn Street, Monday, 18 November 2019 00:23 (twelve hours ago) link

All the more reason to be dubious of incrementalism then

never have i been a blue calm sea (collardio gelatinous), Monday, 18 November 2019 00:28 (twelve hours ago) link

Still believe that the large democratic segregationist base would have never allowed for a free health care given to black people and since they had so much power it worked.

Social Security and Medicare also cover black people - that's the thing about universal programs, they undermine the divisions that can otherwise be exploited.

Whereas welfare/Obamacare subsidies/etc. are only given to 'those people'

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Monday, 18 November 2019 00:30 (eleven hours ago) link

Yeah and I said upthread that this is the big mistake centrists are making, not seeing the potential for m4a to unite people are locked in polarization. I am for all implementing single payer health care within first year of the next dem presidency, but when you see that Warren/Sanders can't combine 60% of the democratic base which in turn represents, what? 40% of the voting population? I have a hard time being optimistic it will have enough popular support to happen this asap.

Van Horn Street, Monday, 18 November 2019 00:47 (eleven hours ago) link

Warren/Sanders can't combine 60% of the democratic base which in turn represents, what? 40% of the voting population?

That is such a weirdly compartmentalized way to view the current race. Both Warren and Sanders currently lead Trump in polls which place them in direct competition.

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 18 November 2019 03:12 (nine hours ago) link

Lol

Biden says he won't legalize marijuana because it may be a 'gateway drug'

Οὖτις, Monday, 18 November 2019 03:24 (nine hours ago) link

that should help him win over some young whippersnappers

Peaceful Warrior I Poser (Karl Malone), Monday, 18 November 2019 03:25 (nine hours ago) link

he really is running for president in 1996. and by golly i think he's gonna beat the pants off bob dole.

i'm not a government man; i'm a government, man. (m bison), Monday, 18 November 2019 03:31 (eight hours ago) link

He said he won't legalize it federally but will let states do whatever. He stepped on a rake with the dumb grandpa "gateway drug" thing though.

Even if the federal govt legalized weed, wouldn't states, counties and cities make their own laws anyway? I mean, alcohol is legal federally but I live in a dry county.

WmC, Monday, 18 November 2019 03:32 (eight hours ago) link

It is a gateway...to a dope ass time amirite

Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Monday, 18 November 2019 03:34 (eight hours ago) link

That is such a weirdly compartmentalized way to view the current race. Both Warren and Sanders currently lead Trump in polls which place them in direct competition.

― A is for (Aimless), Sunday, November 17, 2019 10:12 PM (fifty-two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Present Biden voters would perhaps vote for Sanders/Warren over Trump, but that doesn’t mean they support universal health care.

Van Horn Street, Monday, 18 November 2019 04:11 (eight hours ago) link

Most of Biden's voters already have universal care via Medicare

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Monday, 18 November 2019 04:14 (eight hours ago) link

Why would corporate health care lobbyism thrive in the US and not nearly as much in other nations?

― Van Horn Street, Sunday, November 17, 2019 12:10 PM (twelve minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

covered at length here: https://smile.amazon.com/American-Sickness-Healthcare-Became-Business/dp/1594206759

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 18 November 2019 04:20 (eight hours ago) link

I'm no longer supporting Bernie Sanders. I'm now #TeamPete and if you got a problem with that you can unfollow. pic.twitter.com/1k6Me3oy7a

— yellow vest america 🦺 (@america_vest) November 18, 2019

Raises a couple of interesting points I hadn't considered

anvil, Monday, 18 November 2019 10:47 (one hour ago) link

actually really persuasive, thx 4 posting

actor Robert de Niro disguised as an Uzbek homeopath (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 18 November 2019 10:49 (one hour ago) link

lool

anvil, Monday, 18 November 2019 10:50 (one hour ago) link


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