2020 Democratic presidential primary

Gillebrand?

ah fuck oh well

oprah ✔️

Symmetry required gabbneb to start this.

I'm on my lunch break

police state, no more elections!!!

plz don't

warren i guess

eager beaver here

imago otm

gotta be Hilary, show those misogynists they can't win

most of these people suck

I think we need to recruit bruce springsteen

god, politics suck

martin omalley dot com

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1SdjRSqqHE

tbf even the lamest of these accommodating fucks will represent real change in 2020

let us see what happens tomorrow

Duckworth hasn't distinguished herself during the nomination process/voting, but theoretically I'm okay with putting up a veteran/child of an immigrant up against Trump.

gotta be Hilary, show those misogynists they can't win

OTM

really don't wanna know what Trump would have to say about Tammy Duckworth.

I'm basically on board for Harris and Duckworth; I don't know if Jay Inslee is really likely to explore a run but he's been a good governor and maybe he will gain some national prominence suing the present administration.

I like every one of these people and would happily vote for them and give my money to their campaign

same goes for HRC btw

And Buttigieg! What about my man Buttigieg?!

stoppppppppppp dave stoppppppppppp

Disclaimer - I'm a midwesterner and probably don't know enough about my proposal here: I'm really not super-aware of his politics (I know progressives have tried to run against him in primaries in CA), but something always gets me about Gavin Newsom whenever he's on Real Time or news programs. I know he's done good things for homeless issues/causes. same-sex marriage, marijuana legalization, etc. There's a gravitas about him that just telegraphs potential youth vote/new blood presidential candidate.

gavin newsom has skeletons in his closet

i think at this point he is a bit too much of a stereotypical big city liberal w/ loose morals to really make a palatable national candidate

maybe when he is older

Newsom and Harris both strike me as too in-the-bed with finance/Clinton neoliberalism to get people excited to turn out in vote. (Alternately, the Dems might be able to nominate Roger Clinton and Billy Carter in 2020 and win.)

wait he's a pirate? xp

(not to even mention Bloomberg)

actually the shit i am referring to happened when i was living in the bay area which was about 10 years ago now, i.e. ancient history, maybe it doesn't matter

newsom is kind of a dumbass too and the gop would like to highlight his tenure as mayor of sodom aka san francisco when this happened

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKGBgb0XKVs

he's also dated a 19 year old

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=2581600

FISH CANNOT CARRY GUNS

and also Kamala Harris and Joe Biden

There's a gravitas about him that just telegraphs potential

honestly thought this sentence was gonna end 'serial killer'

Brittanie Mountz sounds like a porn name

i dated a 19 year old

admittedly its not in the top ten reasons im not gunning for the top political jobs but still

maybe not for 2020 but i wonder of mahty wahlsh has national ambitions, esp seeing the way he's come out against trump's immigration ban. he might be all right, he has union support and working class youth, people are weirdly enamored w/ boston accents

working class youth roots

republicans claim the moral high ground by hiring teenagers for sex, not dating them

the free market at work

almost put him on the list actually xp

he's also dated a 19 year old

nice

almost put him on the list actually xp

dmac???

all growed up

Brittanie Rae Mountz, LMFT offers individual and couples counseling. Offices in San Francisco and Berkeley.

he might be all right, he has union support

Unions will be systematically starved of members and money between now and 2018 at least

yea i meant more that he can signal working class empathy & support better than someone like HRC

Marty Walsh is interesting – but untested. If, however, we can dig up Menino and insert some kind of robotic endoskeleton. Or what about Somerville, Massachusetts' own Joseph Curtatone?

yeah the dating a 19 year old thing is what i was getting at

really it was nothing sheesh

treeship, do you know what people are

On Buttigieg/Cruz, technically John Adams was off on a diplomatic mission in Europe, and isn't even a signatory to the Constitution. James Madison, principal author and designer of the 3/5ths compromise, owned 100+ slaves, and didn't free any of them in his will (as Washington did, and as Jefferson did for the males of Hemmings family). Of the first 12 presidents, all but John Adams and his son John Quincy Adams were slave holders.

wait, are you telling me that some of the founding fathers supported slavery?? the authors of a document that begins with "WE the people"??

xp what does that have to do with whether they knew it was *wrong* or not? Of course they knew it was wrong ffs. They just varied in what they cared to do about it and when. (The State of Vermont -- which for several reasons split from New York immediately after the Revolution -- banned slavery in **1777**. )

I'm trying to imagine all of these men of the time, like, reading the Bible and thinking, "I don't get it, why did the Israelites want to get away from Egypt? What was the big deal?"

https://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/01/arts/from-noah-s-curse-to-slavery-s-rationale.html

turns out that people can find justification for just about anything in the bible

treeship, do you know what people are

the proper response to ted fucking cruz is basically "homie you'd 100% leave slavery "up to the states" in 2019 so please do go fuck yourself w a rusty chainsaw"

mayo pete would never be confrontational, america is ready to move past the politics of division *morphs into suit*

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

otm

lmao that’s so good

Closer than I expected!

Bernie and Stacey Abrams is obvs. the dream ticket

(guy on msnbc voice) why????

however, 20 people who voted are dead

lol at this:

Alison Lundergan Grimes 4
Tim Kaine 2

Ok we can have a new thread now

can't believe we finally made it to the end of the 2020 Democratic presidential primary

and its bernard! good job usa

New thread shall be forthcoming. If no one else steps up by Jan. 2 , I'll see to it.

I thought we were gonna wait till the Iowa caucus to start a new one.

:)

I'm from Virginia but each time I see Terry McAuliffe's name I still autothink that they died in The Challenger.

I’m seriously considering DJP’s post about president Dolemite

I’d accept a Eddie Murphy doing it as a bit

https://scontent.fewr1-5.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/81622659_10216668033278688_2295759233456537600_n.jpg?_nc_cat=107&_nc_oc=AQm-fuZ4H3Nnu50MsJEFT4gigwk7dV1VGSiFhKqb2YPxSXMq3it66xhqBfmLCo-a-0Q&_nc_ht=scontent.fewr1-5.fna&oh=f61c8f562d5aefdc1c0e4ec6061ea595&oe=5EA3FD62

Castro is out, freeing him up to be Sanders' or Warren's VP.

He'd be a great pick, pretty much the only candidate who felt like he was coming with a bunch of fresh ideas and perspectives, plus let's put Texas in play!

and he's the only cute candidate

I would accept Dolomite/Castro

otm

have to assume Booker will be out soon if he misses more debates

read that as Dolomite/Casino and was like, if the people demand it, okay

pretty much the only candidate who felt like he was coming with a bunch of fresh ideas and perspectives

Sanders too old hat for you?

:eyes peering emoji:

My deepest gratitude to you, @JulianCastro, for your tireless efforts to elevate all voices, shed light on the struggles everyday Americans face, and fight for a humane immigration system. I look forward to your continued leadership in the fight to transform our country. https://t.co/tF8zzyH70s

— Bernie Sanders (@BernieSanders) January 2, 2020

Don't know how Sanders could resist picking a running mate named Castro

i think Biden vs Trump karate would approximate the Dolemite fight scenes

I had dinner with 3 white, west coastm boomer age, gay men last night. They were very into Pete B and Biden and hated Bernie and Warren. I was surprised.

if they each make more than 60 grand a year, i am VERY unsurprised

They are mostly retired. But it was a host of contradictions, like us talking about billionaires being sociopathic hoarders but then someone defending Bezos. And being deserving/entitled to Medicare but not believing in universal healthcare for others.

Don't know how Sanders could resist picking a running mate named Castro

― symsymsym, Thursday, January 2, 2020 1:13 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

worth it for the trolling alone

i was very bummed to learn that my otherwise super-cool east coast in-law family is also rooting for biden, pete, and bloomberg (they used to work for bloomberg when he was mayor, so at least i can sort of understand that one i guess). what's esp frustrating about their stance is that they say they really want medicare for all, student loan forgiveness, etc etc, but think the most important thing is electability and making sure democrats nominate someone who can beat trump

SIGH

I was bummed that one said if Bernie or Warren was on the ticket he would not vote. But all 5 of us don't have children so we then got a lot nihilistic over our 4th bottle of wine.

not voting for the Democrat is a good way to make it obvious that you don't actually think beating Trump is the most important thing

Class interests tend to supersede pretty much everything else for the majority of people. I think we are repeatedly surprised by this in America because we are so bad at talking about class and so enamored with our myth of a classless society.

But it's also a lot of people being defenders/advocates for classes that are way above their paygrade.

Yeah. People who work for a living, no matter how upper-class of a living, need to be convinced that their class interests lie with the poor. This is possible to do; plenty of rank-and-file Amazon employees voted alongside their poorer neighbors for Kshama Sawant in November here.

I'm certainly not the only pro-Bernie lawyer I know. In fact I'm surprised how often I meet people in my field who are Bernie supporters, they just all tend to be in the 40 and under range.

also infuriating - hearing from the older, well-meaning, biden/pete/bloomberg supporters that they "are rooting for the young people!" and that they support m4a, etc. it's like, one thing you can do to go beyond rooting for young people is to also VOTE with them

if they tell you they support those things and wont even vote for candidates who advance them, they are lying

God knows if I can get this launched before there are another 50 posts here, but I started a new thread: Your next 2020 Democratic presidential primary thread: Now we're serious.

After three years and 15,000 posts, let's open some new digs, ok?