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― painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture (DavidM), Monday, February 15, 2016 6:27 AM (5 hours ago)

is it time to start the " " " " 8 shit talk thread

― Sith Dog (El Tomboto), Monday, February 15, 2016 6:33 AM (5 hours ago)

Benicio Del Toro, Laura Dern and Kelly Marie Tran now onboard for XIII

― Darin, Monday, February 15, 2016 12:13 PM (1 minute ago)

Ned Raggett, Monday, 15 February 2016 20:15 (two years ago) Permalink

First! Err...second. Laura Dern?!? And Del Toro, too? Weird casting. Let's see...

Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Monday, 15 February 2016 20:27 (two years ago) Permalink

I'm sure I said this somewhere else but IMO the Rian Johnson film to watch to get an idea of how he's going to handle an ensemble is The Brothers Bloom.

Sith Dog (El Tomboto), Monday, 15 February 2016 20:42 (two years ago) Permalink

The lighting on this looks bad?

painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture (DavidM), Monday, 15 February 2016 22:59 (two years ago) Permalink

"production announcement" is a teaser-for-a-trailer too far wtf

qualx, Monday, 15 February 2016 23:47 (two years ago) Permalink

I like The Brothers Bloom!

μpright mammal (mh), Tuesday, 16 February 2016 00:43 (two years ago) Permalink

The Brothers Bloom? Oh no.

Taking dumps on a person's car is something children do (Sparkle Motion), Tuesday, 16 February 2016 06:18 (two years ago) Permalink

I'd imagine it was impossible to get much more than the very basics for shooting on to skellig so those shots are gonna look different, presumably they can fix whatever after the fact

Soon all logins will look like this (darraghmac), Tuesday, 16 February 2016 08:32 (two years ago) Permalink

I don't think either Brothers Bloom or Looper was a masterpiece, but they both had lots to like. And the Breaking Bad episode Rian Johnson directed where Walt and Jesse try to catch the fly in the lab was one of the best in the whole series. He's definitely a more interesting director visually than Abrams.

Interesting that Johnson is also writing the screenplay, though obviously it will a committee job, even if it's only his name in the credits. All of his previous works that I've seen have been about relations between men and masculinity (surrogate father/surrogate son, big brother/little brother, etc), so we'll see how he manages a movie with a female protagonist. I do hope Episode 8 will develop the Leia/Rey relationship also; there are so many works of fiction about a plucky younger woman being taught by a older mentor man, and I guess that's where the next movie is heading also based on Ep. 7's ending, but I'd like to see more than that.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 16 February 2016 09:12 (two years ago) Permalink

extrapolating from films to Star Wars seems weird

(not entirely being snarky -- what does Eye of the Needle or The Luck of Ginger Coffey have to do with ROTJ or ESB?)

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 16 February 2016 12:42 (two years ago) Permalink

I wouldn't have extrapolated as much if I hadn't learned Johnson has also written the script. Even if he almost definitely did it based on a pre-existing plot outline, it still means he has more control over the story and the characters than the directors of ROTJ and ESB had.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 16 February 2016 12:46 (two years ago) Permalink

It sounds very much like episode 8 was bafflingly meant to shift focus away from Rey until fan reaction spurred a relatively recent spate of rewrites.

maybe my clam is just more toxic (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 16 February 2016 13:17 (two years ago) Permalink

Interesting... Where'd you get that info?

Tuomas, Tuesday, 16 February 2016 13:17 (two years ago) Permalink

I thought it was reasonably common knowledge?

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 16 February 2016 13:21 (two years ago) Permalink

From that information I wouldn't say it read as "shifting focus away from Rey" as much as our main characters having to share more screen time with others. But Rey (and Finn) worked better than anything else in Ep 7 so they now go all in on them (if that rumor is correct).

abcfsk, Tuesday, 16 February 2016 13:26 (two years ago) Permalink

I guess less "shifting focus away" and more shifting focus towards new characters. New characters are fine and essential but they have a nice core cast to work from so it would be a shame if they lost focus on that.

maybe my clam is just more toxic (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 16 February 2016 13:31 (two years ago) Permalink

Sure, but it's odd to assume that more time for new characters was shifting focus away from Rey specifically?

Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 16 February 2016 13:45 (two years ago) Permalink

"production announcement" is a teaser-for-a-trailer too far wtf

― qualx, Monday, February 15, 2016 6:47 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Meh, production companies have been taking out full-page ads in Variety for decades announcing the beginning/end of principal photography on whatever project, it's the internet age, etc.

T.L.O.P.son (Phil D.), Tuesday, 16 February 2016 13:56 (two years ago) Permalink

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cbl_t4bUAAAc0ue.jpg:large

how's life, Friday, 19 February 2016 17:39 (two years ago) Permalink

those clips above, aren't they from the end of VII or new shots?

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 19 February 2016 17:46 (two years ago) Permalink

gary!!! xp

μpright mammal (mh), Friday, 19 February 2016 19:01 (two years ago) Permalink

Apparently those new shots were grabbed late last year by Rian Johnson on a return to the island. So it looks at if VIII will pick up immediately where TFA left off, which will be a first for the franchise.

painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture (DavidM), Saturday, 20 February 2016 21:44 (two years ago) Permalink

new hammill footage:
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VFevH5vP32s

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 20 February 2016 22:11 (two years ago) Permalink

AHHH the Force!

Darkest Cosmologist junk (kingfish), Saturday, 20 February 2016 23:10 (two years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

So apparently Episode VIII is partly about Draculas driving Ferraris or . . . ?

http://io9.gizmodo.com/see-the-first-photos-of-brand-new-aliens-and-ships-in-s-1764781664

T.L.O.P.son (Phil D.), Monday, 14 March 2016 19:26 (one year ago) Permalink

I don't know what that mouth of sauron guy is about, looks ridiculous
BTW I'm going to be a little annoyed if we go this whole trilogy without any twi'leks, togrutas or more than one wookiee.

El Tomboto, Monday, 14 March 2016 19:43 (one year ago) Permalink

Who would win in a fight, Draculas or Jedis?

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 14 March 2016 20:22 (one year ago) Permalink

You'd be surprised how much of that type of thing gets covered in the Clone Wars cartoon

El Tomboto, Monday, 14 March 2016 20:29 (one year ago) Permalink

I'd vote Draculas, because they can turn into bats, control wolves, and can't be killed by anything but sunlight and a stake through the heart. Hmm, would a lightsaber killer a Dracula through the heart? Would a Jedi even know how to do that, seeing as they exist outside of any Judeo-Christian religious stuff? I guess they could read a Dracula's mind, but I bet Draculas are pretty good at clouding their intentions.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 14 March 2016 20:32 (one year ago) Permalink

Jedis are remarkably good at figuring out how to kill new and exotic things, so they'd figure it out, and I'm willing to bet a lightsaber would not only kill a vampire, but also do whatever else fire does to vampires.

El Tomboto, Monday, 14 March 2016 20:48 (one year ago) Permalink

Jedi can use the force, which flows in all living things.

_LIVING_ things.

Dracula is master of the undead. Force-choking (or any force attacks) would not work on Dracula nor most of the denizens of his castle. The life force is essential to a Jedi so in the realm of undead things The Force would perhaps have no effect. Important to remember that vampires, skeletons, and other undead are not truly alive but only given that appearance (animated if you will) by dark powers.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 14 March 2016 20:59 (one year ago) Permalink

lightsaber vs vampire just makes me think of buffy pulling out the rocket launcher ("that was then; this is now")

denies the existence of dark matter (difficult listening hour), Monday, 14 March 2016 21:01 (one year ago) Permalink

What if Dracula was fighting a Force Ghost?

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 14 March 2016 21:10 (one year ago) Permalink

wait, does force-choking work because the person being choked is a living thing? i always figured it was just straight up telekinesis. i mean, the rocks and crates and things they throw around aren't living.

anyway, the dark animating powers might also be a kind of living things. like we perceive them as dead/undead but cosmically, force-wise, this may be a kind of life.

van damme death warrant (Doctor Casino), Monday, 14 March 2016 21:10 (one year ago) Permalink

yeah i guess lightsabers aren't living things either and they can move them at will. so they probably just have regular telekinesis. still i don't think a Jedi could force choke someone, like it is impossible to do if they have followed the training.

then again Dracula probably doesn't need to breathe, hence the tendency to sleep in a closed coffin.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 14 March 2016 21:22 (one year ago) Permalink

yeah agreed with all that. basically though dracula has a huge disadvantage in terms of ranged attacks. jedis are definitely capable of hurling rocks or random machinery at you; usually they're fighting people who can mount at least some kind of counterattack at a distance (blasters). at best dracula has defensive moves like turning into mist.

van damme death warrant (Doctor Casino), Monday, 14 March 2016 21:27 (one year ago) Permalink

he can turn to mist he can also turn into a bat or rat and flee or evade the incoming hurtling rocks. Jedi outmatch him in offensive capabilities so maybe a single one-on-one fight is tilted in their favor.

however, Jedi appear quite susceptible to Force Clouding (them missing all warning signs throughout the entirety of the prequels) and one of Dracula's main techniques is mind control, so it's probably in Dracula's best interest to use that and plan a sneak attack.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 14 March 2016 21:54 (one year ago) Permalink

yeah tbf dracula is also definitely a long-term plotter, in the original book. lot of ground work being laid for what will ultimately be tension-free and repetitive pseudo-scenes. he has a lot in common with palpatine really. (obviously not dealing here with the obvious dooku/dracula business.) i still think if it comes down to a one-on-one battle a semi-competent jedi could basically take dracula. the jedis only lost in the prequels because they were shittily written garbage yoda couldn't take palpatine in single combat, and i can't see dracula winning the same fight.

never ending bath infusion (Doctor Casino), Monday, 14 March 2016 21:58 (one year ago) Permalink

my sources are telling me that this guy will make a prominent return in VIII

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/b/b6/ArleilSchous.jpg

Number None, Monday, 14 March 2016 22:01 (one year ago) Permalink

I don't know, can't Dracula communicate from a distance? Via dreams and stuff? Plus, he can clearly bend people to his will, a la a Jedi. Plus, a Dracula could turn a Jedi into another Dracula, and then you'd have a Jedi Dracula, who would be pretty much unstoppable. Wait, does a Dracula needs to subsist on human blood, or any blood? Sometimes Draculas eat rats and animal blood. The people in Star Wars are just nominally human, but they're really humanoid. We don't know if they're even compatible with a Dracula. But if they were, we might end up with another "Lifeforce."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=de3VsgXZRGw

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 14 March 2016 22:04 (one year ago) Permalink

Er, nsfw.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 14 March 2016 22:05 (one year ago) Permalink

what the shit is going on here

Neanderthal, Monday, 14 March 2016 22:10 (one year ago) Permalink

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Anzat_(species)

Once a victim was within their power, the Anzati would uncoil their thin proboscises from their cheek pouches located on either side of its nose and usually inserted them into the subject's nostrils and into the cranium, where the brain was sucked out of the organism(2), though the Anzati fed by drawing soup out of wherever it resided in a victim, as it varied by species. In most humanoid races, it lay within the brain cavity. Almost of their own, the proboscises sought the victim's soup, and began draining it into the Anzat. The victim could struggle, though often the Anzat's attack was so sudden, so perfect, that it was too late(7) This action, however, required time and could not be rushed. This behavior led to the nickname of "snot vampires."(1)

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 15 March 2016 00:15 (one year ago) Permalink

woah

never ending bath infusion (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 15 March 2016 02:03 (one year ago) Permalink

I missed that party.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 15 March 2016 06:41 (one year ago) Permalink

It's his 51st Oscar nomination. (Seriously.) He gets one with every airkiss.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 15:57 (one month ago) Permalink

The New Yorker made a nice case for Williams' score in this article about leifmotifs--basically, mh otm

https://www.newyorker.com/culture/culture-desk/a-field-guide-to-the-musical-leitmotifs-of-star-wars

hoooyaaargh it's me satan (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 16:26 (one month ago) Permalink

I was hoping for my long-awaited Cantina Band pt. 2 with the Canto Bight music. Not there yet, but it's growing on me

mh, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 16:32 (one month ago) Permalink

I'm by no means a MST3K devotee but reading the title of that clip brought back memories

mh, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 16:40 (one month ago) Permalink

I did love hearing the music from the original movie's TIE fighter/Millennium Falcon dogfight scene used again when Chewie and Rey are dogfighting over Crait. That's one of my favorite cues from any of the movies, along with "The Asteroid Chase" from ESB.

Millennial Whoop, wanna fight about it? (Phil D.), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 16:42 (one month ago) Permalink

This guy likes it too:

https://youtu.be/EH5oRJKTWuc?t=5

Millennial Whoop, wanna fight about it? (Phil D.), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 16:43 (one month ago) Permalink

There’s a whole thread of these, ymmv

Rely & Kylo Ren fighting the Praetorian Guards to "Africa" by Toto pic.twitter.com/bTnC8aiWew

— you’re not alone in everything✨ Saw TLJ x4 (@rachlikesbands) January 23, 2018

Crazy Display Name Haver (kingfish), Friday, 26 January 2018 19:13 (four weeks ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

I'm ready to see a Last Jedi morning matinee now, and it's barely playing anywhere in NYC. Two months later! Attention-deficit culture.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 17 February 2018 14:46 (six days ago) Permalink

two months is awhile for a movie to stay in cinemas morbius c'mon!

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 17 February 2018 15:24 (six days ago) Permalink

Star Wars was in theaters for a year

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekly&id=starwars4.htm

direct to consumer online mattress brand (silby), Saturday, 17 February 2018 15:28 (six days ago) Permalink

Oh sorry I misread the chart. 8 months in 1977.

direct to consumer online mattress brand (silby), Saturday, 17 February 2018 15:29 (six days ago) Permalink

lmao that was before VCRs

which don’t even exist any more

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Saturday, 17 February 2018 15:29 (six days ago) Permalink

force awakens was in theaters for six months

hoooyaaargh it's me satan (voodoo chili), Saturday, 17 February 2018 15:30 (six days ago) Permalink

It's NOT! Flop movies last a week, blockbuster juggernauts last 5. Ludicrous. xxxxp

Yep, I saw Jaws in my local sinny 10 months after it opened. Runs of more than a year for hits were commonplace.

Yes, rogermexico, when things were geared toward adults with multiple priorities in a week.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 17 February 2018 15:31 (six days ago) Permalink

i note that last jedi does in fact appear to still be in nyc cinemas, if i'm reading your post correctly...

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 17 February 2018 15:32 (six days ago) Permalink

like seeing BP for the second time in 3 days

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Saturday, 17 February 2018 15:32 (six days ago) Permalink

ugh xpost

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Saturday, 17 February 2018 15:32 (six days ago) Permalink

VCRs and Blockbuster existed when Jurassic Park was in theaters for 10 months in its first run.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekly&id=jurassicpark.htm

I blame capitalism for this rather than consumer taste. Release-weekend-driven marketing etc.

direct to consumer online mattress brand (silby), Saturday, 17 February 2018 15:32 (six days ago) Permalink

p sure Jurassic Park was released under capitalism

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Saturday, 17 February 2018 15:39 (six days ago) Permalink

Well yes

direct to consumer online mattress brand (silby), Saturday, 17 February 2018 15:40 (six days ago) Permalink

not pre-noon for $8, tracer. I mean, i've seen Adam Driver's tits before.

I get it tho, fast food goes through faster than ever.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 17 February 2018 15:58 (six days ago) Permalink

before we conclude it's just that today's audiences have shorter attention spans, i think we'd have to dig into the structure of the agreements between exhibitors, distributors and studios (who makes money when?), the sheer number of films competing for the same blockbuster niche (how many screenings was TLJ getting before Black Panther came out? how many other action-effects spectacles were trying to dethrone Jaws or even JP?) and the particular economics of urban cinemas (i note tlj survives in some of the multi-multi-screen affairs which are rarer in NYC - and at the 24-screen regal i grew up near in suburban ATL). (also i'm not sure it's even properly begun it's "second run" as it were -did it play at cobble hill for example? would not surprise me if after a dry-looking weekend or two it limps along for another month or two on smaller screens.)

obviously i prefer the model of long, slow runs and word-of-mouth building a hit but the way things are structured now everything has to be a huge hit week one since the studio makes less of the money later in the run, so the studios have every incentive to massively hype something and then start massively hyping something else as soon as they think the audience is ready to hear about it. maybe that reflects poorly on the audience's attention span in some collective sense but individually i'm not sure. anyway the theaters obviously are going to swap out screenings as soon as they can even if the film is still selling tickets - better to have a sold-out room than one that's 2/3rds full.

Doctor Casino, Saturday, 17 February 2018 15:59 (six days ago) Permalink

well said, Dr C

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 17 February 2018 16:29 (six days ago) Permalink

When I was a kid, my mom's test for the quality of a movie was the length of the window between its theatrical and VHS releases. Not very scientific, I suppose, but it had a certain logic: blockbusters stayed in theatres for months, while indie/foreign hits opened slowly across theatres, motivated by word-of-mouth. Meanwhile, teen sex comedies, horror flicks, B-grade action movies and the like, spent little time in theatres because the business model was for them to turn a quick profit in a short theatrical run before going on to make whatever they could in video stores.

Alternately, my mom was probably just trying to get out of taking me to see bad movies.

Dangleballs and the Ballerina (cryptosicko), Saturday, 17 February 2018 16:49 (six days ago) Permalink

yeah the incredibly short turnover to streaming now also has to play a huuuuge part in this. chicken and egg maybe. rogue one, a big big hit movie, came out in december and was on *netflix* in july. not even digital rental, just part of your ten bucks a month subscription (tho i'm sure they paid a pretty penny for it). crazy.

Doctor Casino, Saturday, 17 February 2018 16:56 (six days ago) Permalink

Yeah, we are a long way from E.T. taking like 8 years to come out on VHS (which I remember being a huge deal at the time).

Dangleballs and the Ballerina (cryptosicko), Saturday, 17 February 2018 16:59 (six days ago) Permalink

It also got some theatrical rereleases in that time, right? Like that was back when that kind of thing was a big part of the exhibition game.

Doctor Casino, Saturday, 17 February 2018 17:04 (six days ago) Permalink

I remember every Disney animated movie rerelease practically being hyped as the last time you'd ever be able to see it.

omar little, Saturday, 17 February 2018 17:07 (six days ago) Permalink

It was sort of true in that they staggered the releases very smartly - it was certainly the last time that particular wave of kids would see Bambi *as* kids.

Doctor Casino, Saturday, 17 February 2018 17:15 (six days ago) Permalink

the perfect balance of timing releases to make the maximum impact on a young audience, while also milking self-imposed limits in order to really sell every damn copy so you don't have to pay for warehouse space

mh, Saturday, 17 February 2018 17:19 (six days ago) Permalink

Yeah, E.T. was treated like the Disney films, in that there were numerous theatrical re-releases in the years before it finally made it to video. The only difference was that, while the Disney films would get re-released every decade or so (I think?), E.T. was put back into theatres every 3 years or thereabouts (I would have first seen it around '87 or '88).

Dangleballs and the Ballerina (cryptosicko), Saturday, 17 February 2018 17:35 (six days ago) Permalink

VHS I think amplified this further: last chance to own! Well, our kid's not the right age now but when they ARE we better have Peter Pan ready!

Doctor Casino, Saturday, 17 February 2018 18:10 (six days ago) Permalink

i have a feeling that having a Marvel smash in the atypical month of February isn't helping

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Saturday, 17 February 2018 18:23 (six days ago) Permalink

Pretty sure it's coming out on Blu-ray next month (which seems to be the norm for most films these days)

groovypanda, Monday, 19 February 2018 15:29 (four days ago) Permalink

I have not seen the movie yet and have stayed away from this thread since the day it came out. I wanted to see it, but ultimately I'm just completely worn out on Marvel and Star Wars. I just checked the listings, thinking I'd maybe go and check it out today, but it's gone around here so I guess I'll just wait for video. Whoops.

I know nothing about it. I have seen no spoilers and read no reviews. Was there an ilx hivemind consensus on it?

hi, we're the accountin' goats (how's life), Monday, 19 February 2018 16:46 (four days ago) Permalink

You should probably watch this movie if you like things that are good and awesome.

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 19 February 2018 16:49 (four days ago) Permalink

^^^

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 19 February 2018 16:50 (four days ago) Permalink

people's post-viewing thoughts start here: Star Wars 8 shit talk

El Tomboto, Monday, 19 February 2018 17:04 (four days ago) Permalink

You should probably watch this movie if you like things that are good and awesome.

Yeah, then you'll have something to compare them to.

Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 04:28 (three days ago) Permalink

o zing

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 04:32 (three days ago) Permalink

I thank you.

Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 05:57 (three days ago) Permalink

Be the first to bring #TheLastJedi home. On Blu-ray and 4K Ultra HD March 27. https://t.co/8J9vlokqLQ pic.twitter.com/fnL1TGLI6o

— Star Wars (@starwars) February 20, 2018

groovypanda, Tuesday, 20 February 2018 18:25 (three days ago) Permalink

further to above, I also remember when movies got re-released, years after the fact. Remember seeing Star Wars in the (non discount) theater in the mid-80s

Dominique, Tuesday, 20 February 2018 18:30 (three days ago) Permalink

That's because the only alternative was viewing it at home off a shitty VHS on a 20" TV so there was still demand for it.

groovypanda, Tuesday, 20 February 2018 19:20 (three days ago) Permalink

don't forget the Endlessly Revised Lucas Editions

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 19:22 (three days ago) Permalink

if only we could

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 19:38 (three days ago) Permalink

No one I’ve read yet seems to have spotted the (MILD TECHNICAL SPOILER) shot that very cleverly references the tracking shot from the party scene in WINGS yet. Thought it was cute.

― piscesx, Friday, December 15, 2017 2:07 AM (two months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Steal from the best! https://t.co/YcNjoF7qYb

— Rian Johnson (@rianjohnson) February 22, 2018

nate woolls, Friday, 23 February 2018 15:47 (thirty-two minutes ago) Permalink

ha excellent.

piscesx, Friday, 23 February 2018 16:05 (fourteen minutes ago) Permalink

I remember reading about that hommage in December...

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 23 February 2018 16:12 (seven minutes ago) Permalink


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