Not read the piece yet, will try and do so later.
I would agree that the country is Conservative, but there is a fragility there too. 2017 is where I saw it the most. But in general the thing there has been crushed and we are in a bad place with the riots I see in France a distant hope.
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 28 April 2023 13:40 (one year ago) link
ahh i just posted about this in the ukpol thread soz
― Tracer Hand, Friday, 28 April 2023 14:53 (one year ago) link
Isn't it a standard leftist canard that voters are progressives in their hearts but are somehow hoodwinked by powerful structural forces into voting more conservatively?
― o. nate, Friday, 28 April 2023 15:28 (one year ago) link
xp I don’t read your non-TC posts, sorry king
― Everybody's gonna get what they got coming (gyac), Friday, 28 April 2023 15:36 (one year ago) link
― Goose Bigelow, Fowl Gigolo (the table is the table), Friday, 28 April 2023 23:09 (one year ago) link
That article isn't saying people are progressive in their hearts, it's saying that the way voting is structured in the UK makes it impossible to know one way or the other
― Tracer Hand, Friday, 28 April 2023 23:21 (one year ago) link
This is abysmal. https://t.co/CNnoJN7Db6— Isaac Chotiner (@IChotiner) May 7, 2023
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 7 May 2023 14:18 (one year ago) link
Thought you would be posting this
My coronation highlight? This clusterfuck of a paragraph from the New York Times on how Anglophile Americans have been marking the occasion. pic.twitter.com/sHbl6YentA— Jon Lipsey (@JonLipseyMedia) May 6, 2023
― the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Sunday, 7 May 2023 14:30 (one year ago) link
Spent plenty of time mocking the colorful pomp and circumstance, then went to a bit of a Kentucky Derby party and realized the apple really doesn't fall that far from the tree. I met an old lady who woke up early for a coronation party, then changed outfits for the Derby party.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 7 May 2023 14:44 (one year ago) link
loool since when is Buck's Fizz non-alcoholic? Have they ever MET a Britisher?And ah yes, the traditional breakfast pie. Coco Pops with a crispy mashed potato topping iirc.
― kinder, Sunday, 7 May 2023 18:43 (one year ago) link
not the nyt, but in the wall street journal* today there is a story of techies whose paychecks & stock compensation don't go as far as they used to. one guy got genuinely screwed over by facebook. but one woman amassed a $500K "brokerage account" balance by the age of 27 and decided to take a year off. now she has a new job at a higher salary, but no stock. so...she's cutting costs by washing her dog herself instead of going to a groomer.
* i get a free subscription through work.
― j.o.h.n. in evanston (john. a resident of chicago.), Sunday, 7 May 2023 18:51 (one year ago) link
People with household incomes over $200K a year who are like "who can afford a carton of eggs anymore, am I right???" are the stock in trade of this thread, I can't even be bothered to find a link, I feel like it's basically a weekly column at this point
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Sunday, 7 May 2023 19:18 (one year ago) link
eh $200K a year isn't really the stock in trade ... it depends where you live, and if you have more than one child, you could be middle class and wishing you could afford to buy a house or wishing you could afford to pay off student loan debt ... classic quid/ag is more like john's example
― sarahell, Sunday, 7 May 2023 19:38 (one year ago) link
I don't want to have a big fight about this but fundamentally yes I think people who make $200K and live in New York and aren't saving anything and wish they had more money are more part of the ruling class than not. And, whatever you think about their membership in the ruling class, they make up a much larger share of the New York Times's readership and implied "we" than do the people buying $5m condos.
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 11 May 2023 17:28 (one year ago) link
I have never made more than 50 grand in a year in my entire life. Anyone making 200k a year is absolutely a member of the ruling class afaic.
― Goose Bigelow, Fowl Gigolo (the table is the table), Thursday, 11 May 2023 17:45 (one year ago) link
otm
― ꙮ (map), Thursday, 11 May 2023 17:49 (one year ago) link
Ditto! Maybe I'm warped by having lived paycheck-to-paycheck until I was in my early 30s, but making 100k would make me feel like I was set for life (even here in not-so-cheap Chicago).
― blatherskite, Thursday, 11 May 2023 18:50 (one year ago) link
When I do my taxes at the end of the year I'm sometimes shocked by how much money has flowed in...and right back out again. (Usually somewhere between 60-75k, never more than that.)
― but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 11 May 2023 19:17 (one year ago) link
I've never gotten more than 20K a year in my entire life. I don't have any withholding, so I only do my taxes so I can get a chunk of EITC money.
― Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Thursday, 11 May 2023 19:24 (one year ago) link
i'll probably crack 50k this year because of djing. i bought myself nice sunglasses to celebrate 😎 maybe i should have read an ny times article about it first tho
― ꙮ (map), Thursday, 11 May 2023 19:25 (one year ago) link
https://www.curbed.com/article/cost-of-living-nyc-calculator.html
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 22 May 2023 15:06 (one year ago) link
The thing about the article caek linked is -- they asked people to describe their dream life! Of course it's expensive! I think the many "ugh spoiled millennials" responses to the article are totally misguided; they weren't asking people "what's your realistic plan given the income you're likely to have?"
But there are also a lot of "ugh look how you can't live in New York unless you have $150K a year to spend" takes and those responses are bad for the same reason! "You can't buy a house in brownstone Brooklyn and have a car and send three kids to private school and take two family vacations a year by plane unless you have $150K a year to spend" is probably true, but ... most New Yorkers live perfectly good lives without doing that? And most of the people in this article know they're not actually doing that?
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 24 May 2023 14:51 (one year ago) link
True. The other response I’ve seen is “surely a family doesn’t spend $400 a week” on groceries, which I’ve got bad news for the aspiring parents.
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 24 May 2023 15:05 (one year ago) link
I have to admit I don't quite see how you spend $400 a week at Trader Joe's (I do weekly TJ's shop for $250 tops with two adults two adolescent kids) but if I were to rigorously add up the dollar cost of all the food from all sources I cook for my family in a week it probably does come close to that figure
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 24 May 2023 20:03 (one year ago) link
same. we don't spend it all at TJs, but we spend nearly that much total. i track it. the average for the past 18 months is $1490/month.
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 24 May 2023 20:20 (one year ago) link
$400/week sounds low for people living in $5m homes with 3 kids!
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 24 May 2023 20:22 (one year ago) link
the average for the past 18 months is $1490/month.
On groceries?? Is this including, like, ordering delivery all the time or something?
― Random Restaurateur (Jordan), Wednesday, 24 May 2023 20:25 (one year ago) link
just groceries from the supermarket. we only go to trader joes and whole foods, and we're in LA, so it's expensive.
but my point is the grocery numbers in this article, for people who are way richer than us and have more kids than us, seem reasonable to low.
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 24 May 2023 20:37 (one year ago) link
Oh you should check out Grocery Outlet. When they have what you need it's <3 <3 <3
― felicity, Wednesday, 24 May 2023 21:01 (one year ago) link
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 24 May 2023 20:03 (three hours ago) link
I calculated our total weekly spend to average out to about $400/wk for a family of four (kids both old enough to eat full meals and a good amount of snacks), including non-food groceries (paper products, cleaning products, various costco non-food items). We do buy some organic items and could certainly spend less if necessary. Eating more at home since COVID definitely adds to the budget, but also cuts the eating out budget.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 25 May 2023 00:06 (one year ago) link
Back in NJ my wife and I were spending close to $1200 a month, between the grocery store and Target. Cleaning products are expensive, and we needed a lot — more than we do in Montana — because, no joke, our hateful downstairs neighbors would cook greasy food all night just to spite us.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 25 May 2023 00:14 (one year ago) link
I still say $400 of Trader Joe's groceries is a lot to buy in a week. Maybe they're eating a lot of the prepackaged meals?
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 25 May 2023 00:22 (one year ago) link
Both quid-ag and really depressing, made me cry story— tony artsy private school tells queer student with learning disabilities that he can’t return in the fall, and the worst happens . I was upset but doin fine and then the picture just fucked me up.
― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Tuesday, 4 July 2023 11:04 (ten months ago) link
yeah wow, that story is brutal :(
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 4 July 2023 15:33 (ten months ago) link
this thread really brought the heat. very illuminating. and i think some of you did some fine work over time. for real! there is real thought on this thread. wait, there is a part two, right? i'm remembering the picture of the people holding rats, i think. too much quid-ag out there.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 4 July 2023 15:59 (ten months ago) link
yep: even more quiddities and agonies of the ruling class - a new rolling new york times thread
― rob, Tuesday, 4 July 2023 16:01 (ten months ago) link
love to get an exclusive interview (and push notification!) that Bill de Blasio and Chirlane McCray Are Separating despite the fact that
They are not planning to divorce, they said, but will date other people. They will continue to share the Park Slope townhouse . . .
NYT wants the clicks but apparently not enough to say Bill de Blasio and Chirlane McCray Are Opening Up Their Marriage And Want You to Know They're DTF
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 5 July 2023 22:03 (ten months ago) link
Completely chicken to not swing while they were in office.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 5 July 2023 22:05 (ten months ago) link
Why is this news
― calstars, Wednesday, 5 July 2023 22:07 (ten months ago) link
a very good question!
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 5 July 2023 22:10 (ten months ago) link
Had a good time backreading this and the other thread, made the past couple of days more bearable
― vexingvexillologist, Thursday, 6 July 2023 13:26 (ten months ago) link
Separating without intending to divorce has been a growing trend, particularly among people who were married for decades.
Divorce is fucking expensive. Why go through that when you can move out and start a new family across the street from your old one, like John Banville did?
― beamish13, Friday, 7 July 2023 05:21 (ten months ago) link
I’m chuckling a bit over the griping over Trader Joe’s prices. Wait till you try Erewohn
gen z reinvents tapas
Is It a Meal? A Snack? No, It’s ‘Girl Dinner.’
Typical girl dinners may include some kind of fruit, a block of cheddar, sliced salami, a sleeve of fancy crackers and a dish of olives. Girl dinner is “both chaotic and filling,” as one TikTok commenter put it, requiring none of the forethought, cooking or plating demanded by an actual meal. As another commenter observed: It’s “no preparation just vibes.”The trend started when Olivia Maher, a showrunner’s assistant currently out of work because of the writers’ strike, posted a video on TikTok this spring extolling the virtues of a humble, medieval-peasant-inspired assemblage that she called “girl dinner.”“I think the concept of girl dinner came to me while I was on a hot girl walk with another female friend of mine,” Ms. Maher, 28, said from her apartment in Los Angeles.. . .Alana Laverty, a 28-year-old food content creator in London who immediately embraced the phrase, said she started making what she called “snack plates” for dinner during summers when it was too hot to even consider turning on a stove.“I feel like cooking full meals just gets so repetitive and exhausting, especially in the summer,” Ms. Laverty said. “When dinner came around, we would just pick up one main cheese or one main protein and get a fresh loaf of bread and throw it all on the plate. It’s a really normal way of eating for me now.”Ms. Laverty started posting her beautifully arranged snack plates on TikTok last year. When the girl dinner trend began to take off, she recalled, “I was like, ‘I have never resonated with something more.’”
The trend started when Olivia Maher, a showrunner’s assistant currently out of work because of the writers’ strike, posted a video on TikTok this spring extolling the virtues of a humble, medieval-peasant-inspired assemblage that she called “girl dinner.”
“I think the concept of girl dinner came to me while I was on a hot girl walk with another female friend of mine,” Ms. Maher, 28, said from her apartment in Los Angeles.
. . .
Alana Laverty, a 28-year-old food content creator in London who immediately embraced the phrase, said she started making what she called “snack plates” for dinner during summers when it was too hot to even consider turning on a stove.
“I feel like cooking full meals just gets so repetitive and exhausting, especially in the summer,” Ms. Laverty said. “When dinner came around, we would just pick up one main cheese or one main protein and get a fresh loaf of bread and throw it all on the plate. It’s a really normal way of eating for me now.”
Ms. Laverty started posting her beautifully arranged snack plates on TikTok last year. When the girl dinner trend began to take off, she recalled, “I was like, ‘I have never resonated with something more.’”
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 11 July 2023 20:25 (ten months ago) link
or meze. or smorgasbord. or zakuski.
― a holistic digital egosystem (ledge), Tuesday, 11 July 2023 20:29 (ten months ago) link
Yeah, I saw that yesterday... the ploughman's lunch gets a gender revamp
― Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 11 July 2023 20:41 (ten months ago) link
food content creator
barf
― Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 11 July 2023 20:42 (ten months ago) link
wait wait did i miss the article explaining wtf a "hot girl walk" is?
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 11 July 2023 20:46 (ten months ago) link
ah okay then:
What is a "hot girl walk," exactly? Lind told CBS News it's a four-mile outdoor mindfulness walk during which you're supposed to think of three things:What you're grateful forYour goalsAnd how you're going to achieve them"And lastly, how hot you are, of course," Lind laughs.
What you're grateful forYour goalsAnd how you're going to achieve them"And lastly, how hot you are, of course," Lind laughs.
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 11 July 2023 20:51 (ten months ago) link
NYT trolling Tik Tok for content oy vey
― calstars, Tuesday, 11 July 2023 21:31 (ten months ago) link