even more quiddities and agonies of the ruling class - a new rolling new york times thread

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Ms. Ginn, left, in her rat-pelt dress, and Ms. LaViola chatting with guests before dinner.

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scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:32 (six years ago) Permalink

damn, for some reason i couldn't get that rat-pelt dress picture to show up. maybe a moderator can add it.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:33 (six years ago) Permalink

i couldn't even save that picture to my computer. the times is tricky.

http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2012/07/27/arts/design/20120727-RATS-4.html

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:38 (six years ago) Permalink

she needs to come along for the ride.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:39 (six years ago) Permalink

Across the table Mr. Hutchings gnawed on a rat bone, pronouncing it delicious. The dinner delivered on its once-in-a-lifetime promise. “I don’t care about it as art,” he said. “I care about it as something that makes me a more interesting human being.”

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2012/07/27/arts/27RATS_SPAN/27RATS_SPAN-articleLarge.jpg

For Ms. Ginn skinning and eating rats represents the survivalist instincts she likes to explore in her work. “To have these sorts of skills, it’s very empowering,” she said. “It makes me feel like I have more control over my world.”

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:00 (six years ago) Permalink

Cheryl
Westchester Cty

It reminds me a bit of the Woman Warrior ( Maxine Kingston) description of the narrator's mother as a Great Eater, one who could literally and figuratively eat any dish set before her without the slightest expression of fear or disgust. But in a setting of extreme comfort, and the best condiments and disguises for the purchased rats, it doesn't seem to signify anything. Now, if all the rats had been "wild raised" in NYC and caught by the participants, that would be a better story... Or perhaps if different rats had been trapped in different restaurants, again, we could compare the effects of different restaurant fare on their taste.... Overall, ick.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:02 (six years ago) Permalink

jg
San Francisco

How is this any different from the sensationalism of TV Shows like Fear Factor. Rats are disgusting and only eaten in the worst of times. They are in fact disease ridden and thoroughly disgusting. Why does this generation insist on destroying paradigms or structures without any sensible or tangible replacements. Did they learn nothing from the Baby Boomers and the "Me" generation? I hate everything about this from it's pettiness to its barbarism to the sensationalistic and cynical nature of it. Rich people eating rats. Rich indeed.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:05 (six years ago) Permalink

comments get really real:

Sami
Long Beach, CA

This can be seen as the expected result of the gentrification of New York that has been occurring for the past 20 years or so. Rats, formerly associated with urban squalor, became reified as a kind of aesthetic signifier of "authentic" New York-ness by the post-collegiate hordes of mostly white middle class young people who flocked to places like Williamsburg in the late 90s and early 2000s. These people were ravenous for real urban life, and embraced the rat as a component of a lifestyle they sought - even as their (the gentrifiers) increasing presence destroyed that same reality by displacing working class residents and communities that had been associated with the presence of rats during the Reagan era of urban decline. This event combines the role that art plays in the gentrification process with the gentrifiers obsession with "local" food culture in an ironic glorification of their (Pyrrhic) conquest of the "urban."

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:07 (six years ago) Permalink

something about eating rats that really pisses people off.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:07 (six years ago) Permalink

Sometimes I feel like the cycle of trolling and being trolled has just become a ritual for the Times style sections, like the commenters are just this chorus of people who "come to boo"

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 14:59 (six years ago) Permalink

I mean that's what we are, basically

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 15:00 (six years ago) Permalink

ya they know what theyre doin

lag∞n, Friday, 27 July 2012 15:02 (six years ago) Permalink

Sami
Long Beach, CA

This can be seen as the expected result of the gentrification of New York that has been occurring for the past 20 years or so. Rats, formerly associated with urban squalor, became reified as a kind of aesthetic signifier of "authentic" New York-ness by the post-collegiate hordes of mostly white middle class young people who flocked to places like Williamsburg in the late 90s and early 2000s. These people were ravenous for real urban life, and embraced the rat as a component of a lifestyle they sought - even as their (the gentrifiers) increasing presence destroyed that same reality by displacing working class residents and communities that had been associated with the presence of rats during the Reagan era of urban decline. This event combines the role that art plays in the gentrification process with the gentrifiers obsession with "local" food culture in an ironic glorification of their (Pyrrhic) conquest of the "urban."

― scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 04:07 (13 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^ rad

, Blogger (schlump), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:51 (six years ago) Permalink

I think we can't totally discount the possibility that this artist is trolling us too, like basically going for what that commenter is describing? I mean “I don’t care about it as art,” he said. “I care about it as something that makes me a more interesting human being.”

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:53 (six years ago) Permalink

that sounds like trolling

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:53 (six years ago) Permalink

i don't know, do you think that psychiatrists think their case studies are interesting as human beings, or just... interesting...?

j., Friday, 27 July 2012 17:21 (six years ago) Permalink

I think we can't totally discount the possibility that this artist is trolling us too, like basically going for what that commenter is describing? I mean “I don’t care about it as art,” he said. “I care about it as something that makes me a more interesting human being.”

― Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:53 (28 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this wasn't the artist, this was one of the guests

this seems totally fine to me tbh

thomp, Friday, 27 July 2012 17:26 (six years ago) Permalink

i hope that they get the plague and die.

KARLOR CAN FUCK ANYTHING! AND HE WILL AND HAS!!! (Eisbaer), Sunday, 29 July 2012 00:33 (six years ago) Permalink

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/29/automobiles/autoreviews/you-cant-beat-it-with-a-stick.html

Priced from $26,795, this is the ILX that screams “compromise” at the top of its little 2-liter lungs, with standard cloth seats and just 150 breathless horses from a version of the Civic engine.

seriously, THIS GUY (daria-g), Sunday, 29 July 2012 06:53 (six years ago) Permalink

the ILX seems limited to fans of zing-it-yourself compacts at a relatively high price.

undermikey: bidness (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, 29 July 2012 07:01 (six years ago) Permalink

too much time on nyt

I dont even know that I think this sucks per se (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 29 July 2012 14:11 (six years ago) Permalink

hey, in the interest of fair play, i read that article about the girl tavi who had the fashion blog and now has the rookie site and she seems cool and her site looks great and smart.

don't want to hate every young person in the new york times. makes me feel bad.

"in the spirit of sassy magazine" is always a good move. plus, john waters loves her and that's good enough for me.

wish more websites looked like the rookie site for real! so easy to read and navigate and pleasant to look at.

http://rookiemag.com/

scott seward, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:27 (six years ago) Permalink

ya tavi is awesome

lag∞n, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:38 (six years ago) Permalink

yep rookie is great and i wish i was as cool and smart at 28 as tavi is at 15/16

Roz, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:55 (six years ago) Permalink

nothing to hate about tavi.

wmlynch, Sunday, 29 July 2012 18:25 (six years ago) Permalink

Rookie is great and I wish it was there to read when I was 12+ years old. So much better than so many teen girl mags.

Crabbits, Sunday, 29 July 2012 19:54 (six years ago) Permalink

LONG ILX THREADS HATE THIS ONE SIMPLE TRICK:

1. Click on the Permalink of the message right after the cutoff.

2. The URL will now contain something like "bookmarkedmessageid=3669956"

3. Change that number to something smaller and you will be jumped back to an earlier point in the thread without loading the whole thing.

― Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, July 27, 2012 12:52 PM (6 days ago) Bookmark

I feel dumb for not having thought of doing this myself!

Je55e, Friday, 3 August 2012 12:07 (six years ago) Permalink

i tried it on the long orig breaking bad thread & it didnt seem 2 work

johnny crunch, Friday, 3 August 2012 12:18 (six years ago) Permalink

Which part didn't work? The only maybe tricky part is that if you don't make that number small enough, you won't get any older messages. And if you make that number too small you'll be at the first messages. Usually lowering it by thousands or ten-thousands is enough.

Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, 3 August 2012 18:45 (six years ago) Permalink

i have tried it and it worked

lag∞n, Friday, 3 August 2012 18:46 (six years ago) Permalink

What I do with a long thread is open it at my bookmarked spot and then hit permalink on the first post while the rest is loading.

Moodles, Friday, 3 August 2012 19:51 (six years ago) Permalink

fyi you can also click on the permalink for the last post before the fold and then just click “view previous page"

1staethyr, Friday, 3 August 2012 20:40 (six years ago) Permalink

View Previous Page has only ever worked sporadically for me.

Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, 3 August 2012 20:46 (six years ago) Permalink

i enjoy that scott is all 'that tavi girl'

thomp, Friday, 3 August 2012 21:24 (six years ago) Permalink

View Previous Page has only ever worked sporadically for me.

― Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, August 3, 2012 4:46 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

smells like ok (soda) (dayo), Saturday, 4 August 2012 13:35 (six years ago) Permalink

i was looking for a thread on like manchildren or something to post this on but i guess this is close enough because lol nytimes not so much these guys are the ruling class

buzza, Saturday, 4 August 2012 18:58 (six years ago) Permalink

"Shyaporn Theerakulstit, actor and audiobook narrator"

I dont even know that I think this sucks per se (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 5 August 2012 12:46 (six years ago) Permalink

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/05/fashion/montauk-feels-the-effects-of-too-many-hipsters.html

In the meantime, longtime residents are left to harken back to that first crowd that had to endure an invasion of newcomers, the Montauket tribe. As Mr. Devlin’s wife, Eileen, joked on Friday as the restaurant prepared for another busy night, “Now I know how the Indians felt.”

Nope. No you don't.

Playoff Starts Here (san lazaro), Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:00 (six years ago) Permalink

it notes clearly that she was joking

lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:16 (six years ago) Permalink

yah what gives

smells like ok (soda) (dayo), Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:17 (six years ago) Permalink

Another showed a rifle and the words “Defend Montauk.”

printing hipster shirts against hipsters u might be a hipster

lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:21 (six years ago) Permalink

also isnt the fedora more of a broish affectation

lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:21 (six years ago) Permalink

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/05/nyregion/four-men-sharing-rent-and-friendship-for-18-years.html

men. living together.

― goole, Saturday, August 4, 2012 1:57 PM

this was hilarious! The comments, though, are mostly horrifying.

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:57 (six years ago) Permalink

quiddities thread has made me insensitive to the real articles, i want all the stupid setup cut so i can get right to the aughs

j., Sunday, 5 August 2012 15:58 (six years ago) Permalink

so by hipster they just mean young money?

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Sunday, 5 August 2012 16:09 (six years ago) Permalink

http://i.imgur.com/aXnRN.jpg

well

lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 17:47 (six years ago) Permalink

The gold standard is 30 chews
That's the science law

mick signals, Sunday, 13 January 2019 18:54 (three months ago) Permalink

the mad kid had four chews

Rhine Jive Click Bait (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, 13 January 2019 22:57 (three months ago) Permalink

Is there any way around the Times paywall?

louise ck (milo z), Monday, 14 January 2019 00:24 (three months ago) Permalink

open a private browsing window? incognito mode?

Rhine Jive Click Bait (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 14 January 2019 00:27 (three months ago) Permalink

you just have to realise it's in your mind and you can use your energy to sense beyond it

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Monday, 14 January 2019 00:28 (three months ago) Permalink

Incognito doesn't work on the Time paywall.

louise ck (milo z), Monday, 14 January 2019 00:32 (three months ago) Permalink

some of it is up on Twitter:

They’ve dug out some Wellness Loonies in The Times today. It’s proper give ‘em enough rope journalism. pic.twitter.com/n2RtNSlmR2

— Dando Shaft (@lennylaw) January 12, 2019

seandalai, Monday, 14 January 2019 00:36 (three months ago) Permalink

nice.
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/DwvZJmHXQAAwWGz.jpg%3Alarge

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 14 January 2019 01:07 (three months ago) Permalink

well maybe not so nice. but it's a good read.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 14 January 2019 01:07 (three months ago) Permalink

i want to read her "everything falls apart" diary

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 14 January 2019 01:12 (three months ago) Permalink

Seeing the top of the thread I got curious what she is up to now, and I learned that she has recently published this:

https://www.amazon.com/Moan-Essays-Female-Emma-Koenig/dp/1455540552

I don't really feel any kind of way about that, except that it's just further confirmation that the female orgasm must be a lot more interesting than the male orgasm, because I can't imagine reading even one essay about that, let alone a whole book of them.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 14 January 2019 01:25 (three months ago) Permalink

Can’t bypass the paywall, but if nobody in that article’s weighing/examining their dumps (German shelf toilets, anyone?) they’re just dilettantes.

grawlix (unperson), Monday, 14 January 2019 02:39 (three months ago) Permalink

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/16/style/clogs-no-6-moms

For years, black Lululemon yoga pants and Uggs were the axis of the mom uniform, until the media cruelly shamed women out of them. Then last year, a pair of deliberately beaten-up-looking $500 Golden Goose sneakers and what is known as simply the “Amazon jacket,” a $130 parka, was seen on moms in Chappaqua and Short Hills alike.

But in Brooklyn recently, a decidedly more bohemian expression of middle-aged fashion has emerged.

This ensemble is made up of two accessories: Part 1 is the No. 6 clog, which has become ubiquitous in upscale Brooklyn neighborhoods and on celebrities like Keri Russell, Julianne Moore and Claire Danes.

Part 2 is the Salt strap, a thick, detachable handbag strap woven from bright colors, made to hook onto luxury bags, as Salt’s Instagram account promotes vividly, like the $2,500 Gucci, the $3,300 Hermès, a $2,600 Celine or a $1,700 Chloé.
...
Earth-mother message aside, a pair of No. 6 clogs can cost upward of about $450, and the strap, at $140, is marketed with bags that 99 percent of women can’t afford.

Ms. Martin compares the woman who dresses like her peer group to the bonobo ape: a female-dominant species that leaves its kin behind and bands together to form new communities to fend off male aggression.
...
“I think it’s less acceptable now, at least in some circles, to be totally oblivious to the problems in the world,” Ms. Mair said. “So perhaps by wearing the strap, these women want to be seen as acknowledging issues elsewhere by supporting a social cause.”
...
“Right now, the handbag industry is missing an ‘It’ shape and an ‘It’ brand,” said Debbie Forman-Pavan, a luxury and contemporary accessories consultant. With this strap, she said, women can give their $4,000 Hermès bag or their $500 Michael Kors bag a “little face-lift for just 140 bucks.”

If only an actual face-lift cost so little — am I right, ladies?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ntL_f4OtDM

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 18 January 2019 16:25 (three months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

He makes 1.2 million dollars a year.
He’s unhappy because his work feels meaningless.
He can’t take a pay cut because he feels locked into the lifestyle.

He's one of America's many wealthy elite who are miserable with their lives. https://t.co/W0ZEE9VAol pic.twitter.com/0sOvUrHXLe

— NYT Magazine (@NYTmag) February 22, 2019

mookieproof, Friday, 22 February 2019 19:52 (two months ago) Permalink

he's not wrong

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 22 February 2019 20:03 (two months ago) Permalink

Pobrecito

Norm’s Superego (silby), Friday, 22 February 2019 20:03 (two months ago) Permalink

in that his work is likely meaningless and he's made stupid decisions that lock him into massive monthly payments

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 22 February 2019 20:03 (two months ago) Permalink

i wonder how it feels at the tippy top of maslow's hierarchy

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 22 February 2019 20:21 (two months ago) Permalink

squirm, finance worm!!! squirm!!!!!

j., Friday, 22 February 2019 20:23 (two months ago) Permalink

Man, if he was normal guy rich - like 175k/yr - I might feel a smidgeon or compassion. But that fucker earns more than six times that, so he can eat butts.

rb (soda), Friday, 22 February 2019 20:27 (two months ago) Permalink

One classmate described having to invest $5 million a day — which didn’t sound terrible, until he explained that if he put only $4 million to work on Monday, he had to scramble to place $6 million on Tuesday, and his co-workers were constantly undermining one another in search of the next promotion. It was insanely stressful work, done among people he didn’t particularly like. He earned about $1.2 million a year and hated going to the office.

“I feel like I’m wasting my life,” he told me. “When I die, is anyone going to care that I earned an extra percentage point of return? My work feels totally meaningless.” He recognized the incredible privilege of his pay and status, but his anguish seemed genuine. “If you spend 12 hours a day doing work you hate, at some point it doesn’t matter what your paycheck says,” he told me. There’s no magic salary at which a bad job becomes good.

This is someone who might benefit from effective altruism. Why not give most of your salary away if that's how you feel?

jmm, Friday, 22 February 2019 20:58 (two months ago) Permalink

he can't afford to -- he can't even afford to make $600K at a job he might like better -- because he's 'locked into a lifestyle' or something

mookieproof, Friday, 22 February 2019 21:02 (two months ago) Permalink

locked in the turret at the top of maslow's hierarchy of needs ;_;

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 22 February 2019 21:06 (two months ago) Permalink

he should let down his hair. but then he'd have to grow out it first i guess. life is hard!

macropuente (map), Friday, 22 February 2019 22:36 (two months ago) Permalink

real answer is take a year and rework your finances in your spare time, work for two years past that and then retire. honestly, if you told me i had to work a job that would make me miserable for the next three years but then I could be financially stable enough to own a house, raise a family and live fairly humbly, i would take that offer 7 days a week.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 22 February 2019 22:59 (two months ago) Permalink

8 days a week if you had given me that option in my thirties!

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 22 February 2019 23:01 (two months ago) Permalink

A good guillotining would solve all his problems IMO

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Friday, 22 February 2019 23:45 (two months ago) Permalink

He should be “locked into” a guillotine imo https://t.co/BPpuU07cX5

— Kim Kelly (@GrimKim) February 23, 2019

j., Saturday, 23 February 2019 00:11 (two months ago) Permalink

i bet his flesh would be very nutritional

macropuente (map), Saturday, 23 February 2019 00:37 (two months ago) Permalink

DO YOU SEE WHAT THEY DID THERE

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 8 March 2019 14:03 (one month ago) Permalink

lmao wtf

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Friday, 8 March 2019 16:18 (one month ago) Permalink

Saying you are "locked in" to a lifestyle is just a way of saying "I don't want to give up my lifestyle" while avoiding the sense of personal responsibility that "I don't want" entails.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 8 March 2019 16:57 (one month ago) Permalink

kinda how i'm feeling about listening to michael jackson music right now tbh

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 8 March 2019 16:59 (one month ago) Permalink

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D1oha8aX4AIGPGh.jpg:small

mookieproof, Thursday, 14 March 2019 17:48 (one month ago) Permalink

Signed, Aghast Lucrezia

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 14 March 2019 17:51 (one month ago) Permalink

Lucrezia would be a good name for a ghast in a fantasy novel.

pomenitul, Thursday, 14 March 2019 17:54 (one month ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

http://i.imgur.com/HCY9393.png

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 5 April 2019 17:28 (two weeks ago) Permalink

omg, this line made me want to vomit

Every morning at 8 o’clock sharp, the jackhammering begins. All day long the drilling and banging and beeping go on. Only on weekends and the holidays of the politically potent — Christmas and Rosh Hashana, for example, but not Martin Luther King’s Birthday — does it cease. It was supposed to end last December, then in February, then this month. Now, they say, it could last all summer.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 5 April 2019 20:13 (two weeks ago) Permalink

this is full of gems. good find.

Debby Brown, who has lived on the block for 50 years. Ms. Brown says her dog, Dorian Gray, has been prescribed a tranquilizer because of the noise.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 5 April 2019 20:15 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Ms. Beauvoir is a Haitian-American jazz singer. She’s married to Pierre Bastid, a 64-year-old Moroccan-born Frenchman who made a fortune in energy, and recently dabbled in Alpine hotels, restaurants and pharmaceuticals. He has also been a trustee at Juilliard, and has endowed a scholarship there for struggling jazz musicians. In 2015, the couple, who live primarily in Brussels, helped produce “Living on Love,” Renée Fleming’s short-lived Broadway debut.

Ms. Beauvoir has described herself as a mambo, or voodoo priestess

Man, I really don't have neighbors like this in queens

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 5 April 2019 20:17 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I know that violinist! Bummer that ran her outta there.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 5 April 2019 20:32 (two weeks ago) Permalink

The one pcters are in our midst more than we know, they just are good at dressing down

calstars, Friday, 5 April 2019 20:40 (two weeks ago) Permalink

just to back up a sec, is the writer trying to imply that Martin Luther King's bday is an African American holiday, the way Christmas is Christian and Rosh Hashana is Jewish? Because, if so, oof.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 5 April 2019 20:42 (two weeks ago) Permalink

they're implying that white christians and jews have influence that african americans don't i think

findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Friday, 5 April 2019 20:45 (two weeks ago) Permalink

it's kind of an insane juxtaposition though

moose; squirrel (silby), Friday, 5 April 2019 20:45 (two weeks ago) Permalink

yeah I got it but it's kinda o_O, especially since MLK day is not an african american holiday

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 5 April 2019 20:46 (two weeks ago) Permalink

i mean yes it does read like martin luther king's birthday is a holiday in the african american religion but i don't think that's the intention

findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Friday, 5 April 2019 20:47 (two weeks ago) Permalink


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