even more quiddities and agonies of the ruling class - a new rolling new york times thread

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Ms. Ginn, left, in her rat-pelt dress, and Ms. LaViola chatting with guests before dinner.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/misc/pixel.gif

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:32 (seven years ago) link

damn, for some reason i couldn't get that rat-pelt dress picture to show up. maybe a moderator can add it.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:33 (seven years ago) link

i couldn't even save that picture to my computer. the times is tricky.

http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2012/07/27/arts/design/20120727-RATS-4.html

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:38 (seven years ago) link

she needs to come along for the ride.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:39 (seven years ago) link

Across the table Mr. Hutchings gnawed on a rat bone, pronouncing it delicious. The dinner delivered on its once-in-a-lifetime promise. “I don’t care about it as art,” he said. “I care about it as something that makes me a more interesting human being.”

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2012/07/27/arts/27RATS_SPAN/27RATS_SPAN-articleLarge.jpg

For Ms. Ginn skinning and eating rats represents the survivalist instincts she likes to explore in her work. “To have these sorts of skills, it’s very empowering,” she said. “It makes me feel like I have more control over my world.”

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:00 (seven years ago) link

Cheryl
Westchester Cty

It reminds me a bit of the Woman Warrior ( Maxine Kingston) description of the narrator's mother as a Great Eater, one who could literally and figuratively eat any dish set before her without the slightest expression of fear or disgust. But in a setting of extreme comfort, and the best condiments and disguises for the purchased rats, it doesn't seem to signify anything. Now, if all the rats had been "wild raised" in NYC and caught by the participants, that would be a better story... Or perhaps if different rats had been trapped in different restaurants, again, we could compare the effects of different restaurant fare on their taste.... Overall, ick.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:02 (seven years ago) link

jg
San Francisco

How is this any different from the sensationalism of TV Shows like Fear Factor. Rats are disgusting and only eaten in the worst of times. They are in fact disease ridden and thoroughly disgusting. Why does this generation insist on destroying paradigms or structures without any sensible or tangible replacements. Did they learn nothing from the Baby Boomers and the "Me" generation? I hate everything about this from it's pettiness to its barbarism to the sensationalistic and cynical nature of it. Rich people eating rats. Rich indeed.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:05 (seven years ago) link

comments get really real:

Sami
Long Beach, CA

This can be seen as the expected result of the gentrification of New York that has been occurring for the past 20 years or so. Rats, formerly associated with urban squalor, became reified as a kind of aesthetic signifier of "authentic" New York-ness by the post-collegiate hordes of mostly white middle class young people who flocked to places like Williamsburg in the late 90s and early 2000s. These people were ravenous for real urban life, and embraced the rat as a component of a lifestyle they sought - even as their (the gentrifiers) increasing presence destroyed that same reality by displacing working class residents and communities that had been associated with the presence of rats during the Reagan era of urban decline. This event combines the role that art plays in the gentrification process with the gentrifiers obsession with "local" food culture in an ironic glorification of their (Pyrrhic) conquest of the "urban."

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:07 (seven years ago) link

something about eating rats that really pisses people off.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:07 (seven years ago) link

Sometimes I feel like the cycle of trolling and being trolled has just become a ritual for the Times style sections, like the commenters are just this chorus of people who "come to boo"

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 14:59 (seven years ago) link

I mean that's what we are, basically

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 15:00 (seven years ago) link

ya they know what theyre doin

lag∞n, Friday, 27 July 2012 15:02 (seven years ago) link

Sami
Long Beach, CA

This can be seen as the expected result of the gentrification of New York that has been occurring for the past 20 years or so. Rats, formerly associated with urban squalor, became reified as a kind of aesthetic signifier of "authentic" New York-ness by the post-collegiate hordes of mostly white middle class young people who flocked to places like Williamsburg in the late 90s and early 2000s. These people were ravenous for real urban life, and embraced the rat as a component of a lifestyle they sought - even as their (the gentrifiers) increasing presence destroyed that same reality by displacing working class residents and communities that had been associated with the presence of rats during the Reagan era of urban decline. This event combines the role that art plays in the gentrification process with the gentrifiers obsession with "local" food culture in an ironic glorification of their (Pyrrhic) conquest of the "urban."

― scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 04:07 (13 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^ rad

, Blogger (schlump), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:51 (seven years ago) link

I think we can't totally discount the possibility that this artist is trolling us too, like basically going for what that commenter is describing? I mean “I don’t care about it as art,” he said. “I care about it as something that makes me a more interesting human being.”

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:53 (seven years ago) link

that sounds like trolling

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:53 (seven years ago) link

i don't know, do you think that psychiatrists think their case studies are interesting as human beings, or just... interesting...?

j., Friday, 27 July 2012 17:21 (seven years ago) link

I think we can't totally discount the possibility that this artist is trolling us too, like basically going for what that commenter is describing? I mean “I don’t care about it as art,” he said. “I care about it as something that makes me a more interesting human being.”

― Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:53 (28 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this wasn't the artist, this was one of the guests

this seems totally fine to me tbh

thomp, Friday, 27 July 2012 17:26 (seven years ago) link

i hope that they get the plague and die.

KARLOR CAN FUCK ANYTHING! AND HE WILL AND HAS!!! (Eisbaer), Sunday, 29 July 2012 00:33 (seven years ago) link

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/29/automobiles/autoreviews/you-cant-beat-it-with-a-stick.html

Priced from $26,795, this is the ILX that screams “compromise” at the top of its little 2-liter lungs, with standard cloth seats and just 150 breathless horses from a version of the Civic engine.

seriously, THIS GUY (daria-g), Sunday, 29 July 2012 06:53 (seven years ago) link

the ILX seems limited to fans of zing-it-yourself compacts at a relatively high price.

undermikey: bidness (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, 29 July 2012 07:01 (seven years ago) link

too much time on nyt

I dont even know that I think this sucks per se (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 29 July 2012 14:11 (seven years ago) link

hey, in the interest of fair play, i read that article about the girl tavi who had the fashion blog and now has the rookie site and she seems cool and her site looks great and smart.

don't want to hate every young person in the new york times. makes me feel bad.

"in the spirit of sassy magazine" is always a good move. plus, john waters loves her and that's good enough for me.

wish more websites looked like the rookie site for real! so easy to read and navigate and pleasant to look at.

http://rookiemag.com/

scott seward, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:27 (seven years ago) link

ya tavi is awesome

lag∞n, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:38 (seven years ago) link

yep rookie is great and i wish i was as cool and smart at 28 as tavi is at 15/16

Roz, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:55 (seven years ago) link

nothing to hate about tavi.

wmlynch, Sunday, 29 July 2012 18:25 (seven years ago) link

Rookie is great and I wish it was there to read when I was 12+ years old. So much better than so many teen girl mags.

Crabbits, Sunday, 29 July 2012 19:54 (seven years ago) link

LONG ILX THREADS HATE THIS ONE SIMPLE TRICK:

1. Click on the Permalink of the message right after the cutoff.

2. The URL will now contain something like "bookmarkedmessageid=3669956"

3. Change that number to something smaller and you will be jumped back to an earlier point in the thread without loading the whole thing.

― Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, July 27, 2012 12:52 PM (6 days ago) Bookmark

I feel dumb for not having thought of doing this myself!

Je55e, Friday, 3 August 2012 12:07 (seven years ago) link

i tried it on the long orig breaking bad thread & it didnt seem 2 work

johnny crunch, Friday, 3 August 2012 12:18 (seven years ago) link

Which part didn't work? The only maybe tricky part is that if you don't make that number small enough, you won't get any older messages. And if you make that number too small you'll be at the first messages. Usually lowering it by thousands or ten-thousands is enough.

Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, 3 August 2012 18:45 (seven years ago) link

i have tried it and it worked

lag∞n, Friday, 3 August 2012 18:46 (seven years ago) link

What I do with a long thread is open it at my bookmarked spot and then hit permalink on the first post while the rest is loading.

Moodles, Friday, 3 August 2012 19:51 (seven years ago) link

fyi you can also click on the permalink for the last post before the fold and then just click “view previous page"

1staethyr, Friday, 3 August 2012 20:40 (seven years ago) link

View Previous Page has only ever worked sporadically for me.

Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, 3 August 2012 20:46 (seven years ago) link

i enjoy that scott is all 'that tavi girl'

thomp, Friday, 3 August 2012 21:24 (seven years ago) link

View Previous Page has only ever worked sporadically for me.

― Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, August 3, 2012 4:46 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

smells like ok (soda) (dayo), Saturday, 4 August 2012 13:35 (seven years ago) link

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/05/nyregion/four-men-sharing-rent-and-friendship-for-18-years.html

men. living together.

goole, Saturday, 4 August 2012 17:57 (seven years ago) link

i was looking for a thread on like manchildren or something to post this on but i guess this is close enough because lol nytimes not so much these guys are the ruling class

buzza, Saturday, 4 August 2012 18:58 (seven years ago) link

"Shyaporn Theerakulstit, actor and audiobook narrator"

I dont even know that I think this sucks per se (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 5 August 2012 12:46 (seven years ago) link

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/05/fashion/montauk-feels-the-effects-of-too-many-hipsters.html

In the meantime, longtime residents are left to harken back to that first crowd that had to endure an invasion of newcomers, the Montauket tribe. As Mr. Devlin’s wife, Eileen, joked on Friday as the restaurant prepared for another busy night, “Now I know how the Indians felt.”

Nope. No you don't.

Playoff Starts Here (san lazaro), Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:00 (seven years ago) link

it notes clearly that she was joking

lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:16 (seven years ago) link

yah what gives

smells like ok (soda) (dayo), Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:17 (seven years ago) link

Another showed a rifle and the words “Defend Montauk.”

printing hipster shirts against hipsters u might be a hipster

lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:21 (seven years ago) link

also isnt the fedora more of a broish affectation

lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:21 (seven years ago) link

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/05/nyregion/four-men-sharing-rent-and-friendship-for-18-years.html

men. living together.

― goole, Saturday, August 4, 2012 1:57 PM

this was hilarious! The comments, though, are mostly horrifying.

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:57 (seven years ago) link

quiddities thread has made me insensitive to the real articles, i want all the stupid setup cut so i can get right to the aughs

j., Sunday, 5 August 2012 15:58 (seven years ago) link

so by hipster they just mean young money?

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Sunday, 5 August 2012 16:09 (seven years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/aXnRN.jpg

well

lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 17:47 (seven years ago) link

friendships [with poor people, implied] rest on not saying certain things.

well, I grew up around a shit load of poor kids and, yes, friendships with them did require not saying certain things -- basically just the sorts of things only a stupid asshole would ever say to a friend. but the relative sizes (or the existence) of our backyards never entered into it.

however, I think it is quite possible the kid is a lot more sensible than the dad about that stuff.

A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 03:14 (two months ago) link

This is related to why I’ve posted unsolicited ENLIST IN THE ARMED FORCES advice approximately 100 times over my ilx career. No better environment to cure an individual of their gifted child neuroses while also providing a chance to understand what practical utility those so-called gifts might actually provide

Waiting tables for a couple of years also does this with no chance of getting blown up and an atmosphere permissive to all manner of recreational drugs that a growing person should experiment with.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 03:23 (two months ago) link

xp apologies, Aimless, I was just outraged by the article and was gunning for the author

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 03:41 (two months ago) link

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/09/13/arts/artport-storage-new-york.html

Whatever is stored here, more is coming, Mr. Sapienza said.

“Every day more art is created, and sold and bought — and needs a place to be stored.”

j., Tuesday, 17 September 2019 15:36 (two months ago) link

h

president of deluded fruitcakes anonymous (silby), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 15:38 (two months ago) link

As someone who lives with an artist, I can say Mr Sap is otm

rob, Tuesday, 17 September 2019 16:30 (two months ago) link

Maybe not sold and bought though lol

rob, Tuesday, 17 September 2019 16:30 (two months ago) link

I have a closet jammed full of art from high school. It's like nuclear waste, you can't just get rid of it.

jmm, Tuesday, 17 September 2019 16:55 (two months ago) link

as somebody who occasionally makes bad art, i can vouch for one of three methods to clear that out:
1) carry it around with you and give it randomly to new people when you meet them. they'll remember you!
2) trade it with other would be artists. they make bad art too and what looks bad to you may look good to them and vice versa; i've given away stuff that i couldn't bear to look at that people have been over the moon about.
3) if you're having a bad day or mental health lapse, take it outside and break it violently. it will clear your head, i promise!

I had a piece in the house that I had to break yesterday and it was a bummer but also kinda cathartic. Now i can try to make it again, only better this time.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 17:02 (two months ago) link

“I always say if you're going to buy a pair of boots for the winter, buy winter boots. Don't go out buying a $2,000 pair of Chanel winter boots that look really cool because that's not something you want to be wearing in the snow,”

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/climate/sustainable-clothing.html

dinnerboat, Thursday, 26 September 2019 21:26 (two months ago) link

quiddities and agonies of people who are so rich they are confused about basic and obvious facts of life

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 26 September 2019 21:45 (two months ago) link

that article........ is a lot

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 26 September 2019 22:00 (two months ago) link

jesus christ

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 26 September 2019 22:01 (two months ago) link

these underwears don't feel good to touch should i buy themmmmm

j., Thursday, 26 September 2019 22:06 (two months ago) link

And while jeans tend to come in heavier fabric weights...

... than t-shirts?? This whole article is just bananas and amazing, i think it was written and edited by undercover Martians and is just a front for some kind of invasion

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 26 September 2019 22:19 (two months ago) link

link stopped working. Maybe they realized "this is the stupidest shit ever" and took it down?

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 26 September 2019 22:28 (two months ago) link

no it's live.

On average, each American produces about 75 pounds of textile waste per year.

this CAN'T be right...?

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 26 September 2019 22:46 (two months ago) link

I guess a few times a year we take a couple of garbage bags worth of clothing to salvation army, and that could easily add up to 75lbs or more, but that's a family of four with two growing kids.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 26 September 2019 22:48 (two months ago) link

i probably threw out four pairs of underwear and three pairs of socks last year

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 26 September 2019 22:48 (two months ago) link

i'd like to see the median, but "on average"...

https://harmony1.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/textile-recycling-issues.png

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Friday, 27 September 2019 00:19 (two months ago) link

I likely could go the rest of my life without having to buy any new clothes or shoes.

Yerac, Friday, 27 September 2019 00:36 (two months ago) link

these underwears don't feel good to touch should i buy themmmmm

"sometimes things that are expensive... are worse"

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Friday, 27 September 2019 00:52 (two months ago) link

Guys what the fuck is the Times doing publishing any information about the whistleblower, and what the fuck is the Times doing making articles about “swing voters” who they’ve interviewed before about being Trump voters

unashamed and trash (Unctious), Friday, 27 September 2019 04:04 (two months ago) link

You’re wrong. NYT does pay attention to subscriber cancellations. It’s one of the metrics for “outrage” that they take to distinguish between “real” outrage and superficial outrage. What subscribers say can back up dissenting views inside the paper about what it should do and be.

— sarah jeong (@sarahjeong) September 27, 2019

cancel your subscription!

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 27 September 2019 16:45 (two months ago) link

i regret that i have just one subscription to cancel (and did so six weeks ago)

mookieproof, Friday, 27 September 2019 16:56 (two months ago) link

I took the opposite perspective (on Twitter) and attempted to offer a positive spin:

Fire Dean Baquet, Maggie Haberman, Maureen Dowd, David Brooks, Ross Douthat, Bret Stephens, Bari Weiss, and Frank Bruni and I'll consider a subscription.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Friday, 27 September 2019 16:58 (two months ago) link

you forgot james bennet

mookieproof, Friday, 27 September 2019 17:15 (two months ago) link

Reasons for cancelling: "It will genuinely be a relief to read news other than 'incredibly wealthy people wear rat dresses/think they're middle-class/are confused by jeans.'"

There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Friday, 27 September 2019 17:33 (two months ago) link

counterpoint to cancelling via columbia journalism review

Yesterday evening, the picture shifted. The Times reported that the White House knew the whistleblower was a CIA officer before the paper published that fact. The idea that the paper had “outed” him to his bosses seemed suddenly to have been mistaken. As CNN’s Brian Stelter noted in his newsletter, the new information “takes some of the heat off the NYT, for sure.” The words “We also understand that the White House already knew he was a CIA officer” have been appended to Baquet’s quote in the Times’s story. (The timing seems murky, though, as that line is absent from the Reader Center version of his statement.) The case for publication looks stronger now than it did before that detail was shared. Other arguments against the paper’s decision—for example, that the whistleblower’s identity isn’t newsworthy—don’t add up.

The debate over what the Times published yesterday is nuanced and complicated—far more so than an outraged reaction on Twitter allows. By the end of the day, the hashtag #CancelNYT, now familiar, was trending. It seems likely that the uproar stemmed more from a general sense of rage at the Times, and less from genuine concern for the whistleblower’s wellbeing.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 27 September 2019 17:56 (two months ago) link

and an argument for subscribing to Dagens ETC instead
https://www.etc.se/ledare/swedish-newspaper-dagens-etc-now-we-will-reject-all-fossil-fuel-ads

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 27 September 2019 18:00 (two months ago) link

I agreed with this in the Guardian though: Danielle Brian, the executive director of the not-for-profit watchdog Project On Government Oversight, argued that the move was unnecessary because the whistleblower’s credibility “was already stabilized by the Inspector General and the Department of National Intelligence”, which recognized the complaint as urgent and credible. “We didn’t need the New York Times to tell us what agency this person came from,” Brian said.

Frederik B, Friday, 27 September 2019 18:22 (two months ago) link

the White House being able to deduce the individual's identity and react isn't the only way harm can come to a person?

unashamed and trash (Unctious), Friday, 27 September 2019 20:05 (two months ago) link

exactly! what a weird take

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 27 September 2019 22:01 (two months ago) link

Other arguments against the paper’s decision—for example, that the whistleblower’s identity isn’t newsworthy—don’t add up.

i'll guess I'll take your word for it??

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 27 September 2019 22:03 (two months ago) link

not nyt but you have to be fucking kidding me
https://pix11.com/2019/10/05/if-this-queens-woman-stays-off-her-phone-for-an-entire-year-shell-win-100000/

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 8 October 2019 18:05 (one month ago) link

god this is bleak https://t.co/NazYIJ70pD pic.twitter.com/opFU9HGDu4

— b-boy bouiebaisse (@jbouie) October 17, 2019

mookieproof, Thursday, 17 October 2019 17:59 (one month ago) link

Some hit their number and some went bust, but Silicon Valley is more than ever a showcase for the unfettered capitalism of 2019.

Yet no one seems to talk about their number anymore,

I have an acquaintance who's a CEO and is rich. He talks about his number plenty, and plans to sell and retire in his 50s. I feel like article is determined to evade the fundamental fact that the particular slice of rich people they're talking about actually care about and value the work they do, well beyond its at-this-point-minimal effect on their ability to consume. Why does Lady Gaga keep writing and recording songs? I guess it's... because she still has songs she wants to write? I have friends who are highly-paid doctors and they seem to truly see their skills as valuable and useful and want to keep operating on people. The hedge-fund dudes, they're just playing a game they like playing. Asking "why don't they quit?" is like asking why people don't quit playing Fortnite.

While for people like my friend, who work jobs that generate money but are not particularly meaningful to them, it's the same as always; you do the work to get the money, and when you have all the money you'll ever need, you quit.

I'll bet there are more rich people like my friend than like Lady Gaga.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 17 October 2019 18:11 (one month ago) link

Stock Broker #1: If I ever made $10 million, I'd quit.

Stock Broker #2: That's why you'll never make $10 million.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 17 October 2019 18:52 (one month ago) link

But... stockbroker #2 is just wrong, right?

Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 17 October 2019 19:10 (one month ago) link

Occurs to me that I have another friend who made her money in tech -- cashed out her stock a decade ago and she's been retired ever since, does what she likes, travels a lot, etc. I just don't believe the article's assertion that this is something that doesn't happen anymore, or even something that's gotten rarer!

Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 17 October 2019 19:11 (one month ago) link

Yet no one seems to talk about their number anymore

key word: 'seems'. it tips you off that the writer did zero research to back it up.

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 17 October 2019 19:17 (one month ago) link

best line about this from succession

“You can’t do anything with five, Greg. Five’s a nightmare: You can’t retire, not worth it to work.” https://t.co/PaSyh2XPTC

— choire 🚲 (@Choire) October 17, 2019

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 17 October 2019 19:35 (one month ago) link

man i wish i could eat transcendent meaning

j., Thursday, 17 October 2019 19:41 (one month ago) link

peyote iirc

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Thursday, 17 October 2019 23:08 (one month ago) link

wow for his new book tour Joel Stein has apparently subsumed every infuriating story in this thread and emerged with superpowers of insufferability

The Ravishing of ROFL Stein (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 13:04 (one month ago) link

complete w "satirical" monocle and smoking jacket (actually!) to throw you off the stench

The Ravishing of ROFL Stein (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 13:08 (one month ago) link

subhed of today's story about haiti: "political struggle brings violence and stagnation to impoverished haiti"

really? it was the 'political struggle' that did that?

midway through the story American involvement is sketched: 'During the Cold War, American governments supported - albeit at times grudgingly - the authoritarian governments of François Duvalier and his son, Jean-Claude Duvalier, because of their anti-Communist stance.'

really dog???

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 13:12 (one month ago) link

BREAKING

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EHhz0EpXUAAjl5l.jpg

mookieproof, Wednesday, 23 October 2019 13:14 (one month ago) link


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