even more quiddities and agonies of the ruling class - a new rolling new york times thread

Ms. Ginn, left, in her rat-pelt dress, and Ms. LaViola chatting with guests before dinner.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/misc/pixel.gif

damn, for some reason i couldn't get that rat-pelt dress picture to show up. maybe a moderator can add it.

i couldn't even save that picture to my computer. the times is tricky.

http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2012/07/27/arts/design/20120727-RATS-4.html

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2012/07/26/garden/26TWENTIES_SPAN/26TWENTIES-articleLarge.jpg

she needs to come along for the ride.

Across the table Mr. Hutchings gnawed on a rat bone, pronouncing it delicious. The dinner delivered on its once-in-a-lifetime promise. “I don’t care about it as art,” he said. “I care about it as something that makes me a more interesting human being.”

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2012/07/27/arts/27RATS_SPAN/27RATS_SPAN-articleLarge.jpg

For Ms. Ginn skinning and eating rats represents the survivalist instincts she likes to explore in her work. “To have these sorts of skills, it’s very empowering,” she said. “It makes me feel like I have more control over my world.”

Cheryl
Westchester Cty

It reminds me a bit of the Woman Warrior ( Maxine Kingston) description of the narrator's mother as a Great Eater, one who could literally and figuratively eat any dish set before her without the slightest expression of fear or disgust. But in a setting of extreme comfort, and the best condiments and disguises for the purchased rats, it doesn't seem to signify anything. Now, if all the rats had been "wild raised" in NYC and caught by the participants, that would be a better story... Or perhaps if different rats had been trapped in different restaurants, again, we could compare the effects of different restaurant fare on their taste.... Overall, ick.

jg
San Francisco

How is this any different from the sensationalism of TV Shows like Fear Factor. Rats are disgusting and only eaten in the worst of times. They are in fact disease ridden and thoroughly disgusting. Why does this generation insist on destroying paradigms or structures without any sensible or tangible replacements. Did they learn nothing from the Baby Boomers and the "Me" generation? I hate everything about this from it's pettiness to its barbarism to the sensationalistic and cynical nature of it. Rich people eating rats. Rich indeed.

comments get really real:

Sami
Long Beach, CA

This can be seen as the expected result of the gentrification of New York that has been occurring for the past 20 years or so. Rats, formerly associated with urban squalor, became reified as a kind of aesthetic signifier of "authentic" New York-ness by the post-collegiate hordes of mostly white middle class young people who flocked to places like Williamsburg in the late 90s and early 2000s. These people were ravenous for real urban life, and embraced the rat as a component of a lifestyle they sought - even as their (the gentrifiers) increasing presence destroyed that same reality by displacing working class residents and communities that had been associated with the presence of rats during the Reagan era of urban decline. This event combines the role that art plays in the gentrification process with the gentrifiers obsession with "local" food culture in an ironic glorification of their (Pyrrhic) conquest of the "urban."

something about eating rats that really pisses people off.

sorry, link: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/27/arts/design/dinner-at-an-exhibition-rat-prepared-many-ways.html?ref=dining

Sometimes I feel like the cycle of trolling and being trolled has just become a ritual for the Times style sections, like the commenters are just this chorus of people who "come to boo"

I mean that's what we are, basically

ya they know what theyre doin

Sami
Long Beach, CA

This can be seen as the expected result of the gentrification of New York that has been occurring for the past 20 years or so. Rats, formerly associated with urban squalor, became reified as a kind of aesthetic signifier of "authentic" New York-ness by the post-collegiate hordes of mostly white middle class young people who flocked to places like Williamsburg in the late 90s and early 2000s. These people were ravenous for real urban life, and embraced the rat as a component of a lifestyle they sought - even as their (the gentrifiers) increasing presence destroyed that same reality by displacing working class residents and communities that had been associated with the presence of rats during the Reagan era of urban decline. This event combines the role that art plays in the gentrification process with the gentrifiers obsession with "local" food culture in an ironic glorification of their (Pyrrhic) conquest of the "urban."

― scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 04:07 (13 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^ rad

I think we can't totally discount the possibility that this artist is trolling us too, like basically going for what that commenter is describing? I mean “I don’t care about it as art,” he said. “I care about it as something that makes me a more interesting human being.”

that sounds like trolling

i don't know, do you think that psychiatrists think their case studies are interesting as human beings, or just... interesting...?

I think we can't totally discount the possibility that this artist is trolling us too, like basically going for what that commenter is describing? I mean “I don’t care about it as art,” he said. “I care about it as something that makes me a more interesting human being.”

― Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:53 (28 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this wasn't the artist, this was one of the guests

this seems totally fine to me tbh

i hope that they get the plague and die.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/29/automobiles/autoreviews/you-cant-beat-it-with-a-stick.html

Priced from $26,795, this is the ILX that screams “compromise” at the top of its little 2-liter lungs, with standard cloth seats and just 150 breathless horses from a version of the Civic engine.

the ILX seems limited to fans of zing-it-yourself compacts at a relatively high price.

too much time on nyt

http://storify.com/jcstearns/lessons-from-the-fake-new-york-times-wikileaks-op

hey, in the interest of fair play, i read that article about the girl tavi who had the fashion blog and now has the rookie site and she seems cool and her site looks great and smart.

don't want to hate every young person in the new york times. makes me feel bad.

"in the spirit of sassy magazine" is always a good move. plus, john waters loves her and that's good enough for me.

wish more websites looked like the rookie site for real! so easy to read and navigate and pleasant to look at.

http://rookiemag.com/

ya tavi is awesome

yep rookie is great and i wish i was as cool and smart at 28 as tavi is at 15/16

nothing to hate about tavi.

Rookie is great and I wish it was there to read when I was 12+ years old. So much better than so many teen girl mags.

LONG ILX THREADS HATE THIS ONE SIMPLE TRICK:

1. Click on the Permalink of the message right after the cutoff.

2. The URL will now contain something like "bookmarkedmessageid=3669956"

3. Change that number to something smaller and you will be jumped back to an earlier point in the thread without loading the whole thing.

― Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, July 27, 2012 12:52 PM (6 days ago) Bookmark

I feel dumb for not having thought of doing this myself!

i tried it on the long orig breaking bad thread & it didnt seem 2 work

Which part didn't work? The only maybe tricky part is that if you don't make that number small enough, you won't get any older messages. And if you make that number too small you'll be at the first messages. Usually lowering it by thousands or ten-thousands is enough.

i have tried it and it worked

What I do with a long thread is open it at my bookmarked spot and then hit permalink on the first post while the rest is loading.

fyi you can also click on the permalink for the last post before the fold and then just click “view previous page"

View Previous Page has only ever worked sporadically for me.

i enjoy that scott is all 'that tavi girl'

View Previous Page has only ever worked sporadically for me.

― Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, August 3, 2012 4:46 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/05/nyregion/four-men-sharing-rent-and-friendship-for-18-years.html

men. living together.

i was looking for a thread on like manchildren or something to post this on but i guess this is close enough because lol nytimes not so much these guys are the ruling class

"Shyaporn Theerakulstit, actor and audiobook narrator"

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/05/fashion/montauk-feels-the-effects-of-too-many-hipsters.html

In the meantime, longtime residents are left to harken back to that first crowd that had to endure an invasion of newcomers, the Montauket tribe. As Mr. Devlin’s wife, Eileen, joked on Friday as the restaurant prepared for another busy night, “Now I know how the Indians felt.”

Nope. No you don't.

it notes clearly that she was joking

yah what gives

Another showed a rifle and the words “Defend Montauk.”

printing hipster shirts against hipsters u might be a hipster

also isnt the fedora more of a broish affectation

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/05/nyregion/four-men-sharing-rent-and-friendship-for-18-years.html

men. living together.

― goole, Saturday, August 4, 2012 1:57 PM

this was hilarious! The comments, though, are mostly horrifying.

quiddities thread has made me insensitive to the real articles, i want all the stupid setup cut so i can get right to the aughs

so by hipster they just mean young money?

http://i.imgur.com/aXnRN.jpg

well

Doctor, my eyes!

Kind of surprised that's to Imperioli's taste tbrh! I thought this guy was an old indiepunk. Isnt he into like My Bloody Valentine and the Cocteaus and shit? Why is he living in a Palazzo Versace resort.

he married an interior decorator

And whats going on here in his "study"? A painting, hanging in front of several shelves of the bookcase?! Who is working in this room? I see no laptop, no phones, no papers.

https://media.architecturaldigest.com/photos/63d020858f41ccd2536b05f3/master/w_1920%2Cc_limit/2022_AD_Imperioli9698_edit.jpg

That room would make me too dizzy to work.

He says he runs meditation sessions in there! with all that distracting clutter!

I mean I like clutter, you should see my house, every wall has something on it/against it/in front of it... but yeesh.

the thing about david harbour and lily allen's home is funnier if you'd seen harbour's previous AD feature before they got married - his old loft had a completely different style! and actually seemed really cozy - lots of white space, plants, and books. guess the new house was decorated mostly to lily allen's taste.

they say that repeatedly in the feature

Oh wow yeah that loft/warehouse space is great. I love the moroccan souk feel of that bathroom, i want one. I could not go from that to the overfussy barfarama townhouse. That cloth frill round the kitchen island is giving me anxiety hives.

...you know, apparently hammam was the word I wanted there and not souk. Thats embarrasing.

$2M “wedding nightmare” in Aspen due to audio malfunction, lawsuit saysM “wedding nightmare” in Aspen due to audio malfunction, lawsuit says - each sentence is worse than the one before until you get to the final one which is the only way it could end. I hope all the workers cashed those paychecks quickly

Paywalled

Works with ad blockers and/or 12ft.io

https://archive.li/U1rPS

That lawsuit, filed in April, echoes many of the same complaints as Tuesday’s, according to media reports, but also claims that chairs at the reception were too heavy. As a result, guests couldn’t enjoy the horah, a traditional Jewish dance in which the bride and groom are carried on chairs.

get stronger friends IMO

strong lede

The guy the NY Times found to defend legacy admits really hit it out of the park pic.twitter.com/tTFjZAqpsp

— Steven Klein (@stevenmklein) July 30, 2023

Here's the text from the NYT story, for those without X:

“In the real world, folks, this is how things go,” said Rob Longsworth, an investment manager who was the seventh in his family to attend Amherst College. “But this is ultimately not a zero sum game. If other people want these things, go get them. Do the work to establish such a tradition in your family, if that’s what they want to do.”

I want to establish a tradition in my family where we don't starve to death or die in ignominy. Still working on it. I will get back to you.

"let them establish a tradition of eating cake in their families, if that's what they want to do."

https://patch.com/new-york/upper-east-side-nyc/ues-boy-pays-protestors-harass-lux-ues-hotel-workers-suit

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/11/magazine/marriage-trust-fund-ethics.html

I am a 44-year-old man and have been married to my spouse for 10 years. We’ve been together for 15. Unbeknown to my spouse, I have a trust fund that provides me with a monthly income of $25,000. When we first met, I said that I worked as a consultant, and they have never questioned this.

a monthly what of what now???

lol @ the previous week's "answer". such a garbage column.

My favorite part of that whole bonkers question is when he says that he and his spouse are "comfortably upper-middle-class" — on $300k a year in trust fund money plus whatever their hard-working DOCTOR spouse makes.

He wrote "unbeknown to my spouse" instead of "what my spouse doesn't know is" so that tells me enough about this asshole right off the top.

https://i.imgur.com/R5wZhLT.png

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/27/nyregion/farmer-prom-long-island.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/27/nyregion/farmer-prom-long-island.html

https://i.imgur.com/90VQzk0.jpg

🧐

Yeah, they were murdered, and farms need still need to be able to grow food so people can eat it. Real quid ag.

In Proclamation’s Wake, Plantations Scramble For Talent

Ah yes, Hamas liberated a bunch of paid farm workers by gunning them down, great analogy

Here's a gift article: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/14/world/middleeast/israel-farms-palestinians-thailand.html?unlocked_article_code=1._0w.f8j5.txKJ7TI8ES9m&smid=url-share

Some workers were killed or kinapped, though the vast majority left the country (Thai workers) or are prohibited from entering Israel (Palestinians).

This was probably the closest it gets to thread aptness, though it's certainly not specific to Israel: "Israel needs farmers, but the farmers need laborers to do the hard work of planting vegetables and picking fruit, milking cows and raising honeybees."

Though this is also striking:

After the Arab-Israeli War of 1967, Israeli farms began hiring workers from the occupied West Bank and Gaza. But in the 1980s new restrictions were imposed on Palestinians following the protests, violent riots and terror attacks of the intifada. Thais, who had been informally migrating to do field work, began receiving visas in much larger numbers.

“The sort of open gate for Palestinians closed,” said Adriana Kemp, a sociologist at Tel Aviv University who studies labor migration. “What I call the ‘great replacement’ began in the ’90s.”

Israeli growers who hired Thai workers found them a more regular labor force than Palestinians, who could be delayed at border checkpoints or barred from entering Israel.

But now, said Ms. Kemp, “for the first time, Israeli agriculture can’t rely on a continuous stream of workers.”

Yes, Israel relies on migrant farm workers, just like the UK, the US, and pretty much every developed country.

True, that's what I was getting at by "not specific to Israel"; sorry if my wording there was too vague. But your claim that the lost workers "were murdered" or "gunned down" isn't accurate, given we're talking about 40,000 people, including 9,000 Palestinians. And there is, imo, something specific to Israel about 9k Palestinians acting as "migrant" farm workers in the first place.

man alive I wasn’t trying to make a perfect analogy just trying to capture the obscenity of identifying with business imperatives during a time of genocide

Yes, Israel relies on migrant farm workers, just like the UK, the US, and pretty much every developed country.

― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, November 20, 2023 9:38 AM (fifty-one minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

ok so let's never talk about israel. it's just like the UK and the US, two countries that should also never be discussed or criticized

Seen similar reports of Indian workers filling in for Palestinians in construction.

This happens in the Gulf.

That aside this is where sanctions would really hurt Israel.

xp talk about whatever you want, I just find it oddly glib for a Brit to suggest that a terrorist attack making it hard to find labor for farms is "quid ag." It's not like we're talking about a beach resort.

I did give the use of this thread a side eye since I thought we were against collective punishment.

Probably well intentioned but creating a dichotomy of "us" versus "them" is one of the stages of genocide.

Trying to recast food insecurity into some "business" narrative is probably not a great fit for this thread.

It's possible to want all the people to live, and for everyone to have enough to eat. I did not think that was controversial.

There are a large number of Thai farm workers that Hamas murdered and continue to hold as hostages.

Among Hamas Hostages: More Than 20 Thais, Half a World From Home https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/05/world/asia/thailand-hostages-hamas-israel.html?unlocked_article_code=1._0w.5m-U.MwMbLZu6a80T&smid=nytcore-android-share

There were also Filipino and Tanzanian people murdered by Hamas. Let's not forget about them.

right. i do think it belongs on "no way NYT" and not here, although i do sometimes conflate the threads tbf (as with so many threads here)

guys guys this is a safe space for mocking brain-dead NYT headlines. yes i’m sure the article itself has a lot of nuance!

On Trail Of Tears, A Lively Trade In Second-Hand Baby Clothes

Who created the dichotomy of “us” and “them” in this particular instance? Sometimes I read these threads and feel like I’m losing my mind.

xp idk i do think the thread is specifically about calling out elitism and class privilege, which i think explains why you're getting this response from some. we do have the "no way NYT" like i said

and to be clear i think the NYT can fuck right off

it’s about the world as viewed by the ownership class

where 1000s of dead palestinians (and thais etc) become a business continuity issue

i don't disagree but also the entirety of the NYT is devoted to depicting the world as viewed by the ownership class. and so i sympathize with those who felt that you were suggesting that the farmers themselves ought to be the object of derision, since that's generally how this thread works

Colts owner Jim Irsay says he was arrested in 2014 because he’s ‘a rich, white billionaire’

Irsay said he’d recently had hip surgery at the time, which made it difficult for him to walk and required him to take prescribed medications. He told her he pleaded guilty to the misdemeanor because he just wanted to get it over with.

Irsay went on to accuse the Indianapolis suburb’s Carmel Police Department of profiling him. . . . “If I’m just the average guy down the block, they’re not pulling me in, of course not.”