even more quiddities and agonies of the ruling class - a new rolling new york times thread

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Ms. Ginn, left, in her rat-pelt dress, and Ms. LaViola chatting with guests before dinner.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/misc/pixel.gif

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:32 (nine years ago) link

damn, for some reason i couldn't get that rat-pelt dress picture to show up. maybe a moderator can add it.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:33 (nine years ago) link

i couldn't even save that picture to my computer. the times is tricky.

http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2012/07/27/arts/design/20120727-RATS-4.html

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:38 (nine years ago) link

she needs to come along for the ride.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:39 (nine years ago) link

Across the table Mr. Hutchings gnawed on a rat bone, pronouncing it delicious. The dinner delivered on its once-in-a-lifetime promise. “I don’t care about it as art,” he said. “I care about it as something that makes me a more interesting human being.”

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2012/07/27/arts/27RATS_SPAN/27RATS_SPAN-articleLarge.jpg

For Ms. Ginn skinning and eating rats represents the survivalist instincts she likes to explore in her work. “To have these sorts of skills, it’s very empowering,” she said. “It makes me feel like I have more control over my world.”

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:00 (nine years ago) link

Cheryl
Westchester Cty

It reminds me a bit of the Woman Warrior ( Maxine Kingston) description of the narrator's mother as a Great Eater, one who could literally and figuratively eat any dish set before her without the slightest expression of fear or disgust. But in a setting of extreme comfort, and the best condiments and disguises for the purchased rats, it doesn't seem to signify anything. Now, if all the rats had been "wild raised" in NYC and caught by the participants, that would be a better story... Or perhaps if different rats had been trapped in different restaurants, again, we could compare the effects of different restaurant fare on their taste.... Overall, ick.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:02 (nine years ago) link

jg
San Francisco

How is this any different from the sensationalism of TV Shows like Fear Factor. Rats are disgusting and only eaten in the worst of times. They are in fact disease ridden and thoroughly disgusting. Why does this generation insist on destroying paradigms or structures without any sensible or tangible replacements. Did they learn nothing from the Baby Boomers and the "Me" generation? I hate everything about this from it's pettiness to its barbarism to the sensationalistic and cynical nature of it. Rich people eating rats. Rich indeed.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:05 (nine years ago) link

comments get really real:

Sami
Long Beach, CA

This can be seen as the expected result of the gentrification of New York that has been occurring for the past 20 years or so. Rats, formerly associated with urban squalor, became reified as a kind of aesthetic signifier of "authentic" New York-ness by the post-collegiate hordes of mostly white middle class young people who flocked to places like Williamsburg in the late 90s and early 2000s. These people were ravenous for real urban life, and embraced the rat as a component of a lifestyle they sought - even as their (the gentrifiers) increasing presence destroyed that same reality by displacing working class residents and communities that had been associated with the presence of rats during the Reagan era of urban decline. This event combines the role that art plays in the gentrification process with the gentrifiers obsession with "local" food culture in an ironic glorification of their (Pyrrhic) conquest of the "urban."

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:07 (nine years ago) link

something about eating rats that really pisses people off.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:07 (nine years ago) link

Sometimes I feel like the cycle of trolling and being trolled has just become a ritual for the Times style sections, like the commenters are just this chorus of people who "come to boo"

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 14:59 (nine years ago) link

I mean that's what we are, basically

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 15:00 (nine years ago) link

ya they know what theyre doin

lag∞n, Friday, 27 July 2012 15:02 (nine years ago) link

Sami
Long Beach, CA

This can be seen as the expected result of the gentrification of New York that has been occurring for the past 20 years or so. Rats, formerly associated with urban squalor, became reified as a kind of aesthetic signifier of "authentic" New York-ness by the post-collegiate hordes of mostly white middle class young people who flocked to places like Williamsburg in the late 90s and early 2000s. These people were ravenous for real urban life, and embraced the rat as a component of a lifestyle they sought - even as their (the gentrifiers) increasing presence destroyed that same reality by displacing working class residents and communities that had been associated with the presence of rats during the Reagan era of urban decline. This event combines the role that art plays in the gentrification process with the gentrifiers obsession with "local" food culture in an ironic glorification of their (Pyrrhic) conquest of the "urban."

― scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 04:07 (13 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^ rad

, Blogger (schlump), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:51 (nine years ago) link

I think we can't totally discount the possibility that this artist is trolling us too, like basically going for what that commenter is describing? I mean “I don’t care about it as art,” he said. “I care about it as something that makes me a more interesting human being.”

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:53 (nine years ago) link

that sounds like trolling

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:53 (nine years ago) link

i don't know, do you think that psychiatrists think their case studies are interesting as human beings, or just... interesting...?

j., Friday, 27 July 2012 17:21 (nine years ago) link

I think we can't totally discount the possibility that this artist is trolling us too, like basically going for what that commenter is describing? I mean “I don’t care about it as art,” he said. “I care about it as something that makes me a more interesting human being.”

― Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:53 (28 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this wasn't the artist, this was one of the guests

this seems totally fine to me tbh

thomp, Friday, 27 July 2012 17:26 (nine years ago) link

i hope that they get the plague and die.

KARLOR CAN FUCK ANYTHING! AND HE WILL AND HAS!!! (Eisbaer), Sunday, 29 July 2012 00:33 (nine years ago) link

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/29/automobiles/autoreviews/you-cant-beat-it-with-a-stick.html

Priced from $26,795, this is the ILX that screams “compromise” at the top of its little 2-liter lungs, with standard cloth seats and just 150 breathless horses from a version of the Civic engine.

seriously, THIS GUY (daria-g), Sunday, 29 July 2012 06:53 (nine years ago) link

the ILX seems limited to fans of zing-it-yourself compacts at a relatively high price.

undermikey: bidness (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, 29 July 2012 07:01 (nine years ago) link

too much time on nyt

I dont even know that I think this sucks per se (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 29 July 2012 14:11 (nine years ago) link

hey, in the interest of fair play, i read that article about the girl tavi who had the fashion blog and now has the rookie site and she seems cool and her site looks great and smart.

don't want to hate every young person in the new york times. makes me feel bad.

"in the spirit of sassy magazine" is always a good move. plus, john waters loves her and that's good enough for me.

wish more websites looked like the rookie site for real! so easy to read and navigate and pleasant to look at.

http://rookiemag.com/

scott seward, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:27 (nine years ago) link

ya tavi is awesome

lag∞n, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:38 (nine years ago) link

yep rookie is great and i wish i was as cool and smart at 28 as tavi is at 15/16

Roz, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:55 (nine years ago) link

nothing to hate about tavi.

wmlynch, Sunday, 29 July 2012 18:25 (nine years ago) link

Rookie is great and I wish it was there to read when I was 12+ years old. So much better than so many teen girl mags.

Crabbits, Sunday, 29 July 2012 19:54 (nine years ago) link

LONG ILX THREADS HATE THIS ONE SIMPLE TRICK:

1. Click on the Permalink of the message right after the cutoff.

2. The URL will now contain something like "bookmarkedmessageid=3669956"

3. Change that number to something smaller and you will be jumped back to an earlier point in the thread without loading the whole thing.

― Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, July 27, 2012 12:52 PM (6 days ago) Bookmark

I feel dumb for not having thought of doing this myself!

Je55e, Friday, 3 August 2012 12:07 (eight years ago) link

i tried it on the long orig breaking bad thread & it didnt seem 2 work

johnny crunch, Friday, 3 August 2012 12:18 (eight years ago) link

Which part didn't work? The only maybe tricky part is that if you don't make that number small enough, you won't get any older messages. And if you make that number too small you'll be at the first messages. Usually lowering it by thousands or ten-thousands is enough.

Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, 3 August 2012 18:45 (eight years ago) link

i have tried it and it worked

lag∞n, Friday, 3 August 2012 18:46 (eight years ago) link

What I do with a long thread is open it at my bookmarked spot and then hit permalink on the first post while the rest is loading.

Moodles, Friday, 3 August 2012 19:51 (eight years ago) link

fyi you can also click on the permalink for the last post before the fold and then just click “view previous page"

1staethyr, Friday, 3 August 2012 20:40 (eight years ago) link

View Previous Page has only ever worked sporadically for me.

Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, 3 August 2012 20:46 (eight years ago) link

i enjoy that scott is all 'that tavi girl'

thomp, Friday, 3 August 2012 21:24 (eight years ago) link

View Previous Page has only ever worked sporadically for me.

― Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, August 3, 2012 4:46 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

smells like ok (soda) (dayo), Saturday, 4 August 2012 13:35 (eight years ago) link

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/05/nyregion/four-men-sharing-rent-and-friendship-for-18-years.html

men. living together.

goole, Saturday, 4 August 2012 17:57 (eight years ago) link

i was looking for a thread on like manchildren or something to post this on but i guess this is close enough because lol nytimes not so much these guys are the ruling class

buzza, Saturday, 4 August 2012 18:58 (eight years ago) link

"Shyaporn Theerakulstit, actor and audiobook narrator"

I dont even know that I think this sucks per se (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 5 August 2012 12:46 (eight years ago) link

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/05/fashion/montauk-feels-the-effects-of-too-many-hipsters.html

In the meantime, longtime residents are left to harken back to that first crowd that had to endure an invasion of newcomers, the Montauket tribe. As Mr. Devlin’s wife, Eileen, joked on Friday as the restaurant prepared for another busy night, “Now I know how the Indians felt.”

Nope. No you don't.

Playoff Starts Here (san lazaro), Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:00 (eight years ago) link

it notes clearly that she was joking

lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:16 (eight years ago) link

yah what gives

smells like ok (soda) (dayo), Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:17 (eight years ago) link

Another showed a rifle and the words “Defend Montauk.”

printing hipster shirts against hipsters u might be a hipster

lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:21 (eight years ago) link

also isnt the fedora more of a broish affectation

lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:21 (eight years ago) link

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/05/nyregion/four-men-sharing-rent-and-friendship-for-18-years.html

men. living together.

― goole, Saturday, August 4, 2012 1:57 PM

this was hilarious! The comments, though, are mostly horrifying.

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:57 (eight years ago) link

quiddities thread has made me insensitive to the real articles, i want all the stupid setup cut so i can get right to the aughs

j., Sunday, 5 August 2012 15:58 (eight years ago) link

so by hipster they just mean young money?

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Sunday, 5 August 2012 16:09 (eight years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/aXnRN.jpg

well

lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 17:47 (eight years ago) link

Correction: Nov. 11, 2020
An earlier version of this article misstated the name of a cocktail served at Gitano Garden of Love. It is Jungle Fever, not Jungle Punch.

glad that got cleared that up

turn the jawhatthefuckever on (One Eye Open), Thursday, 12 November 2020 17:06 (eight months ago) link

two weeks pass...

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/27/realestate/homeownership.html

Ms. Elliott, 36, and her husband, Spencer Elliott, recently moved from a rental apartment in a doorman building in Manhattan’s Gramercy Park to a three-bedroom house they bought for $465,000 in New Jersey’s Lake Hopatcong community. The couple spent a few thousand dollars replacing a broken refrigerator and furnace oil pump, and updating their fireplace and chimney for the season. A smart video doorbell, which cost $300, was also purchased, to help them adjust to no longer having a doorman to greet visitors or accept packages.

Tag yourself, I'm the amount of shade in "unanticipated but seasonal home maintenance."

Ima Gardener (in orbit), Monday, 30 November 2020 14:44 (seven months ago) link

subtract the pandemic part and you could run that story any year

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 30 November 2020 14:52 (seven months ago) link

the first things i did when we moved into our house was disable the ring doorbell's internet connection and camera

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 30 November 2020 17:24 (seven months ago) link

three weeks pass...

“ I got to the barn and first had to say hi to Tenny because she’s my princess unicorn, so she needs treats and kisses. Then I got to ride a Polly Pocket-size pony named Snickers. I had my lesson with my amazing trainer Vanessa”

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/22/arts/television/zosia-mamet-flight-attendant.html

Kill me now

calstars, Wednesday, 23 December 2020 07:22 (seven months ago) link

I stopped at Michaels because I needed a wreath hanger for our door.

the great leveler

early-Woolf semantic prosody (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 23 December 2020 14:21 (seven months ago) link

four weeks pass...

poor zahana

adam, Wednesday, 20 January 2021 11:54 (six months ago) link

I have black coffee – no sugar

ah i see

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Wednesday, 20 January 2021 13:30 (six months ago) link

most importantly, playing with children benefits me

the portentous pepper (govern yourself accordingly), Wednesday, 20 January 2021 14:18 (six months ago) link

while at the same time being fun - it's win-win

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 20 January 2021 15:07 (six months ago) link

this guy identifies himself as a "public intellectual" on his uni website

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 20 January 2021 15:41 (six months ago) link

YALL COULDA WENT TO COSTA RICA BUT YA DUMBASS SAID Q!? 🤦🏾‍♀️ #WheelOfFortune

— Queen Mother Asantewa (@Tunacheckers) February 21, 2020

the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 20 January 2021 16:05 (six months ago) link

lol, wrong thread

the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 20 January 2021 16:05 (six months ago) link

That guy is a scientist the way Gwyneth Paltrow is a scientist.

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Wednesday, 20 January 2021 16:41 (six months ago) link

The Brain.fm app has a good selection you can stream through your laptop; you just need headphones

such good advice

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Wednesday, 20 January 2021 17:07 (six months ago) link

You can have his morning nicotinawhatever and resveratrol for only $4.20/day

https://www.bulksupplements.com/products/nicotinamide-mononucleotide-nmn?variant=32133357699183

Joe Biden Stan Account (milo z), Wednesday, 20 January 2021 17:33 (six months ago) link

headphones have been shown to increase music enjoyment, which produces MGN5, a sub-chemical component of i am a total dillweed

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 20 January 2021 17:45 (six months ago) link

I know this guy is a type and there are surely no shortage of reference points out there for him but reading that really reminded me of the High Maintenance webisode Qasim (would link but I see the web series was moved behind HBO's paywall when they picked it up)

Lavator Shemmelpennick, Wednesday, 20 January 2021 22:06 (six months ago) link

on assholes (specifically james bennet, mostly when he was at the atlantic): https://jenzerb.medium.com/i-left-my-career-in-prestige-media-because-of-the-shitty-men-in-charge-and-they-are-still-in-4963374ec6b8

mookieproof, Wednesday, 27 January 2021 22:49 (six months ago) link

wow.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 27 January 2021 23:26 (six months ago) link

jesus

satanist of size (map), Thursday, 28 January 2021 02:04 (six months ago) link

not ny times related but mnuchin's wife's vanity project

Conservatives are getting better at displaying realistic human emotion and it’s making the left nervous https://t.co/bFFxpvR9ER

— Scout Tafoya (@Honors_Zombie) January 29, 2021

satanist of size (map), Friday, 29 January 2021 17:30 (six months ago) link

oh my god, is that a lowkey remake of Lubitsch's Trouble in Paradise?!?!?

the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Friday, 29 January 2021 19:27 (six months ago) link

last name Abramovich, primary residence is London, oil and gas fortune...

HMMM

Joe Biden Stan Account (milo z), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 19:17 (five months ago) link

there are a lot of oh hell no moments in that one but getting stuck in an elevator 1200 ft in the air is top of the list

Joe Biden Stan Account (milo z), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 19:26 (five months ago) link

for me it would be to feel the sway of the building during one of these recent insane windy storms while I stared out the window at clouds and rain. luxury!

calstars, Wednesday, 3 February 2021 19:35 (five months ago) link

two months pass...

so i just saw the NYT include the name of Mike Daisey's new monologue "What the Fuck Just Happened" in the internet edition which made me wonder how many times they've printed the word "Fuck" in the paper where it's not an excerpt and it's more often than you might think:
https://www.nytimes.com/search?dropmab=true&query=fuck&sort=newest
including this humdinger of a typo
http://i.imgur.com/CHRq26k.png

G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 17:50 (three months ago) link

"Mike Daisey's new monologue" a real world No Way SNA

Canon in Deez (silby), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 19:01 (three months ago) link

That looks like a OCR error, not a typo. It was correct in the original paper.

xp

o. nate, Thursday, 8 April 2021 00:08 (three months ago) link

i meant a transcription typo

G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 8 April 2021 01:57 (three months ago) link

no fuchs left to give

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Monday, 12 April 2021 16:09 (three months ago) link

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/23/sunday-review/covid-friendship.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage&fbclid=IwAR1D85wWVHzd5qnkob3z0hBYhFhHBNqMl8CCseOTiLISpK4ULc6Ao2TUYNk

features:
- managerialization (if that's a word) of friendship
- employing academic experts to explain normal human shit that everyone understands
- a san franciscan who joined a friendship "pod"
- excessive PMC navel-gazing

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 23 April 2021 14:06 (three months ago) link

i'm not sure i have the emotional bandwidth rn

maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 23 April 2021 14:08 (three months ago) link

By Kate Murphy
Ms. Murphy has written several articles about various aspects of life during the pandemic, including why Zoom is terrible, why you should stop using toilet paper and why we’re all socially awkward now. She is the author of “You’re Not Listening.”
No shit

calstars, Friday, 23 April 2021 14:14 (three months ago) link

why you should stop using toilet paper and why we’re all socially awkward now.

Sentences where the assertion in the first clause answers the implied question in the second

Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 23 April 2021 14:26 (three months ago) link

lol

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 23 April 2021 14:29 (three months ago) link

There must be something in the Times style guide that says "write each article as though everyone reading it either (1) makes at least $200,000 a year or (2) has parents who make at least $400,000 a year."

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 23 April 2021 14:30 (three months ago) link

one month passes...

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/10/business/starbucks-shortages.html

“Tasha Leverette with a guava green-tea lemonade at a Starbucks in Atlanta. Her favorite drink is a peach green-tea lemonade, but she hasn’t been able to get one.”

calstars, Thursday, 10 June 2021 20:52 (one month ago) link

On the one hand, yes, this is a very first world thing to complain about and not at all worth a NYTimes profile interviewing disappointed customers, but at the same time (unpopular opinion ahead), I don't feel coming out of a global pandemic is the time to shit on people for missing their small comforts.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 10 June 2021 20:57 (one month ago) link

also starbucks regulars aren't the ruling class

Linda and Jodie Rocco (map), Thursday, 10 June 2021 21:22 (one month ago) link

Starbucks is basically just an upscaled Dunkin Donuts now. It's also an interesting lens through which to view larger global supply chain issues occurring right now.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 10 June 2021 21:25 (one month ago) link

Maybe more like frivolities and agonies of American consumerism, but not ruling class. Starbucks are in highway rest stops now - you see truckers getting coffee there.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 10 June 2021 21:27 (one month ago) link

I assume someone has written about how bad all the second-wave/Friends-era coffee places were, old charcoal beans and sugar - like if Blue Moon was at the head of the craft beer revolution.

Joe Bombin (milo z), Thursday, 10 June 2021 21:53 (one month ago) link

haha, a semi-forgotten bit of my high school/early college past.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 10 June 2021 21:55 (one month ago) link

My first introduction to the concept of a latte/cappuccino was the beatnik coffee bar in So I Married An Axe Murderer I think.

Joe Bombin (milo z), Thursday, 10 June 2021 22:13 (one month ago) link

I assume someone has written about how bad all the second-wave/Friends-era coffee places were, old charcoal beans and sugar - like if Blue Moon was at the head of the craft beer revolution.

― Joe Bombin (milo z), Thursday, June 10, 2021 10:53 PM (twenty-four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

lol this kind of place is a super-popular chain here called Beans and Brews. i call it pees and poos.

Linda and Jodie Rocco (map), Thursday, 10 June 2021 22:19 (one month ago) link

I participated in my share of poetry nights

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 11 June 2021 01:07 (one month ago) link


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