even more quiddities and agonies of the ruling class - a new rolling new york times thread

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Ms. Ginn, left, in her rat-pelt dress, and Ms. LaViola chatting with guests before dinner.

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scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:32 (eight years ago) link

damn, for some reason i couldn't get that rat-pelt dress picture to show up. maybe a moderator can add it.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:33 (eight years ago) link

i couldn't even save that picture to my computer. the times is tricky.

http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2012/07/27/arts/design/20120727-RATS-4.html

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:38 (eight years ago) link

she needs to come along for the ride.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:39 (eight years ago) link

Across the table Mr. Hutchings gnawed on a rat bone, pronouncing it delicious. The dinner delivered on its once-in-a-lifetime promise. “I don’t care about it as art,” he said. “I care about it as something that makes me a more interesting human being.”

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2012/07/27/arts/27RATS_SPAN/27RATS_SPAN-articleLarge.jpg

For Ms. Ginn skinning and eating rats represents the survivalist instincts she likes to explore in her work. “To have these sorts of skills, it’s very empowering,” she said. “It makes me feel like I have more control over my world.”

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:00 (eight years ago) link

Cheryl
Westchester Cty

It reminds me a bit of the Woman Warrior ( Maxine Kingston) description of the narrator's mother as a Great Eater, one who could literally and figuratively eat any dish set before her without the slightest expression of fear or disgust. But in a setting of extreme comfort, and the best condiments and disguises for the purchased rats, it doesn't seem to signify anything. Now, if all the rats had been "wild raised" in NYC and caught by the participants, that would be a better story... Or perhaps if different rats had been trapped in different restaurants, again, we could compare the effects of different restaurant fare on their taste.... Overall, ick.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:02 (eight years ago) link

jg
San Francisco

How is this any different from the sensationalism of TV Shows like Fear Factor. Rats are disgusting and only eaten in the worst of times. They are in fact disease ridden and thoroughly disgusting. Why does this generation insist on destroying paradigms or structures without any sensible or tangible replacements. Did they learn nothing from the Baby Boomers and the "Me" generation? I hate everything about this from it's pettiness to its barbarism to the sensationalistic and cynical nature of it. Rich people eating rats. Rich indeed.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:05 (eight years ago) link

comments get really real:

Sami
Long Beach, CA

This can be seen as the expected result of the gentrification of New York that has been occurring for the past 20 years or so. Rats, formerly associated with urban squalor, became reified as a kind of aesthetic signifier of "authentic" New York-ness by the post-collegiate hordes of mostly white middle class young people who flocked to places like Williamsburg in the late 90s and early 2000s. These people were ravenous for real urban life, and embraced the rat as a component of a lifestyle they sought - even as their (the gentrifiers) increasing presence destroyed that same reality by displacing working class residents and communities that had been associated with the presence of rats during the Reagan era of urban decline. This event combines the role that art plays in the gentrification process with the gentrifiers obsession with "local" food culture in an ironic glorification of their (Pyrrhic) conquest of the "urban."

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:07 (eight years ago) link

something about eating rats that really pisses people off.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:07 (eight years ago) link

Sometimes I feel like the cycle of trolling and being trolled has just become a ritual for the Times style sections, like the commenters are just this chorus of people who "come to boo"

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 14:59 (eight years ago) link

I mean that's what we are, basically

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 15:00 (eight years ago) link

ya they know what theyre doin

lag∞n, Friday, 27 July 2012 15:02 (eight years ago) link

Sami
Long Beach, CA

This can be seen as the expected result of the gentrification of New York that has been occurring for the past 20 years or so. Rats, formerly associated with urban squalor, became reified as a kind of aesthetic signifier of "authentic" New York-ness by the post-collegiate hordes of mostly white middle class young people who flocked to places like Williamsburg in the late 90s and early 2000s. These people were ravenous for real urban life, and embraced the rat as a component of a lifestyle they sought - even as their (the gentrifiers) increasing presence destroyed that same reality by displacing working class residents and communities that had been associated with the presence of rats during the Reagan era of urban decline. This event combines the role that art plays in the gentrification process with the gentrifiers obsession with "local" food culture in an ironic glorification of their (Pyrrhic) conquest of the "urban."

― scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 04:07 (13 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^ rad

, Blogger (schlump), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:51 (eight years ago) link

I think we can't totally discount the possibility that this artist is trolling us too, like basically going for what that commenter is describing? I mean “I don’t care about it as art,” he said. “I care about it as something that makes me a more interesting human being.”

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:53 (eight years ago) link

that sounds like trolling

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:53 (eight years ago) link

i don't know, do you think that psychiatrists think their case studies are interesting as human beings, or just... interesting...?

j., Friday, 27 July 2012 17:21 (eight years ago) link

I think we can't totally discount the possibility that this artist is trolling us too, like basically going for what that commenter is describing? I mean “I don’t care about it as art,” he said. “I care about it as something that makes me a more interesting human being.”

― Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:53 (28 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this wasn't the artist, this was one of the guests

this seems totally fine to me tbh

thomp, Friday, 27 July 2012 17:26 (eight years ago) link

i hope that they get the plague and die.

KARLOR CAN FUCK ANYTHING! AND HE WILL AND HAS!!! (Eisbaer), Sunday, 29 July 2012 00:33 (eight years ago) link

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/29/automobiles/autoreviews/you-cant-beat-it-with-a-stick.html

Priced from $26,795, this is the ILX that screams “compromise” at the top of its little 2-liter lungs, with standard cloth seats and just 150 breathless horses from a version of the Civic engine.

seriously, THIS GUY (daria-g), Sunday, 29 July 2012 06:53 (eight years ago) link

the ILX seems limited to fans of zing-it-yourself compacts at a relatively high price.

undermikey: bidness (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, 29 July 2012 07:01 (eight years ago) link

too much time on nyt

I dont even know that I think this sucks per se (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 29 July 2012 14:11 (eight years ago) link

hey, in the interest of fair play, i read that article about the girl tavi who had the fashion blog and now has the rookie site and she seems cool and her site looks great and smart.

don't want to hate every young person in the new york times. makes me feel bad.

"in the spirit of sassy magazine" is always a good move. plus, john waters loves her and that's good enough for me.

wish more websites looked like the rookie site for real! so easy to read and navigate and pleasant to look at.

http://rookiemag.com/

scott seward, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:27 (eight years ago) link

ya tavi is awesome

lag∞n, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:38 (eight years ago) link

yep rookie is great and i wish i was as cool and smart at 28 as tavi is at 15/16

Roz, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:55 (eight years ago) link

nothing to hate about tavi.

wmlynch, Sunday, 29 July 2012 18:25 (eight years ago) link

Rookie is great and I wish it was there to read when I was 12+ years old. So much better than so many teen girl mags.

Crabbits, Sunday, 29 July 2012 19:54 (eight years ago) link

LONG ILX THREADS HATE THIS ONE SIMPLE TRICK:

1. Click on the Permalink of the message right after the cutoff.

2. The URL will now contain something like "bookmarkedmessageid=3669956"

3. Change that number to something smaller and you will be jumped back to an earlier point in the thread without loading the whole thing.

― Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, July 27, 2012 12:52 PM (6 days ago) Bookmark

I feel dumb for not having thought of doing this myself!

Je55e, Friday, 3 August 2012 12:07 (eight years ago) link

i tried it on the long orig breaking bad thread & it didnt seem 2 work

johnny crunch, Friday, 3 August 2012 12:18 (eight years ago) link

Which part didn't work? The only maybe tricky part is that if you don't make that number small enough, you won't get any older messages. And if you make that number too small you'll be at the first messages. Usually lowering it by thousands or ten-thousands is enough.

Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, 3 August 2012 18:45 (eight years ago) link

i have tried it and it worked

lag∞n, Friday, 3 August 2012 18:46 (eight years ago) link

What I do with a long thread is open it at my bookmarked spot and then hit permalink on the first post while the rest is loading.

Moodles, Friday, 3 August 2012 19:51 (eight years ago) link

fyi you can also click on the permalink for the last post before the fold and then just click “view previous page"

1staethyr, Friday, 3 August 2012 20:40 (eight years ago) link

View Previous Page has only ever worked sporadically for me.

Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, 3 August 2012 20:46 (eight years ago) link

i enjoy that scott is all 'that tavi girl'

thomp, Friday, 3 August 2012 21:24 (eight years ago) link

View Previous Page has only ever worked sporadically for me.

― Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, August 3, 2012 4:46 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

smells like ok (soda) (dayo), Saturday, 4 August 2012 13:35 (eight years ago) link

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/05/nyregion/four-men-sharing-rent-and-friendship-for-18-years.html

men. living together.

goole, Saturday, 4 August 2012 17:57 (eight years ago) link

i was looking for a thread on like manchildren or something to post this on but i guess this is close enough because lol nytimes not so much these guys are the ruling class

buzza, Saturday, 4 August 2012 18:58 (eight years ago) link

"Shyaporn Theerakulstit, actor and audiobook narrator"

I dont even know that I think this sucks per se (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 5 August 2012 12:46 (eight years ago) link

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/05/fashion/montauk-feels-the-effects-of-too-many-hipsters.html

In the meantime, longtime residents are left to harken back to that first crowd that had to endure an invasion of newcomers, the Montauket tribe. As Mr. Devlin’s wife, Eileen, joked on Friday as the restaurant prepared for another busy night, “Now I know how the Indians felt.”

Nope. No you don't.

Playoff Starts Here (san lazaro), Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:00 (eight years ago) link

it notes clearly that she was joking

lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:16 (eight years ago) link

yah what gives

smells like ok (soda) (dayo), Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:17 (eight years ago) link

Another showed a rifle and the words “Defend Montauk.”

printing hipster shirts against hipsters u might be a hipster

lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:21 (eight years ago) link

also isnt the fedora more of a broish affectation

lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:21 (eight years ago) link

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/05/nyregion/four-men-sharing-rent-and-friendship-for-18-years.html

men. living together.

― goole, Saturday, August 4, 2012 1:57 PM

this was hilarious! The comments, though, are mostly horrifying.

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:57 (eight years ago) link

quiddities thread has made me insensitive to the real articles, i want all the stupid setup cut so i can get right to the aughs

j., Sunday, 5 August 2012 15:58 (eight years ago) link

so by hipster they just mean young money?

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Sunday, 5 August 2012 16:09 (eight years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/aXnRN.jpg

well

lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 17:47 (eight years ago) link

it's probably unwise to wish ill on NYC but i'm willing to make an exception for that project

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 19 June 2020 17:17 (one month ago) link

hudson yards represents a terrible moment in the development of NYC and I hope things go in a different direction

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 19 June 2020 17:35 (one month ago) link

"How will bullshit urban luxury malls aimed 95% at tourists and foreign investors survive Covid?!" *clutches Van Cleef & Arpels pearls*

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 19 June 2020 17:36 (one month ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/ZmlnxJW.png

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Saturday, 20 June 2020 19:55 (one month ago) link

I looked both of them up and yep, I want them both dead.

blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Saturday, 20 June 2020 22:10 (one month ago) link

which theater?

oh lord just read that piece

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/01/nyregion/coronavirus-honeymoon-nyc.html

i want to hear the podcast version of this, in the podcastiest voice ever

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 4 July 2020 00:35 (one month ago) link

aw, that was pretty cute and harmless imo, not that quid-aggy

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Saturday, 4 July 2020 02:02 (one month ago) link

Here's the latest.

mookieproof, Saturday, 4 July 2020 03:12 (one month ago) link

I don’t know about you, man alive, but the idea of sun-kissed beaches of dazzling beauty doesn’t “fill me with ennui”, it sounds fucking amazing. Then again I don’t have an adult son who’s a bonafide member of the working class who has blessed my quirky roadtrip honeymoon with the immortal benediction “that sounds cool”.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 4 July 2020 09:43 (one month ago) link

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/01/nyregion/coronavirus-honeymoon-nyc.html

i live in the rust belt and my eyes just rolled so hard reading this that they popped out of my head and are now bouncing down one of my city's grand avenues

the portentous pepper (govern yourself accordingly), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 08:53 (four weeks ago) link

the better to soak in the handsome architecture of your charming burg

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 09:13 (four weeks ago) link

my new wife

j., Tuesday, 7 July 2020 16:16 (four weeks ago) link

jeez i didn’t even savour that the first time. thank you. i think

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 16:25 (four weeks ago) link

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/wealthy-investors-are-as-worried-about-the-postcoronavirus-future-as-everyone-else-ubs-survey-070043263.html

The mounting human and economic costs of the worldwide COVID-19 outbreak have forced dramatic changes to daily life on people across all income levels. Conventional wisdom holds that the wealthy are insulated from the disruption caused by the novel coronavirus, yet UBS’s Investor Watch found that a clear majority of high net worth individuals are at least as worried about the future as average people.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 13 July 2020 18:46 (three weeks ago) link

not so much on thread topic but Bari Weiss is out at NYT

NEW: Bari Weiss has published her resignation letter to publisher A.G. Sulzberger https://t.co/FZLfuqzRMQ pic.twitter.com/OKgSYKGBCG

— Jeremy Barr (@jeremymbarr) July 14, 2020

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 18:36 (three weeks ago) link

Seems like she’s confused about the difference between “being incredibly condescending about colleagues and lying about your workplace” and “being bullied”

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 19:01 (three weeks ago) link

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/05/nyregion/coronavirus-leaving-nyc.html

Rebekah Rosler, a therapist and doula, decided to leave, even though her family history in New York goes back to the 1870s, she said. Her parents are in Manhattan and her grandparents lived on the Upper West Side and in Brooklyn. “I love, love, love the city more than anything,” Ms. Rosler, 40, said.

But on March 24, she fled her two-bedroom home in Stuyvesant Town with her husband and their children, a 4-year-old and 2-year-old twins.

“I had never felt an energy like that before, like the city was on the brink of something, and I don’t know what it is,” she said. “I was like, ‘We need to get out of here right now.’”

The Roslers broke their lease and are searching for a new home in Connecticut. They hired a company to pack up their apartment and ship their goods to a storage unit in Danbury.

She said that the recent violence in the city and subsequent curfews only validate her decision. “I live near Union Square, and it was terrifying to watch what was happening,” she said. “It made me realize what a relief not being there is right now.” She added that she supported the protests but was in “full-on mama bear mode.”

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Saturday, 18 July 2020 15:08 (two weeks ago) link

couple with three children flee their union square apartment because of "energy on the brink of something," hire professional movers to pack up their house, mother says she is in "full-on mama bear mode," story at 11

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Saturday, 18 July 2020 15:10 (two weeks ago) link

Won’t somebody, please, think of MY children???

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Saturday, 18 July 2020 15:32 (two weeks ago) link

speechless @ this article

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/10/business/camera-surveillance-san-francisco.html

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 20 July 2020 16:57 (two weeks ago) link

"an alternative system of urban security"

Joey Corona (Euler), Monday, 20 July 2020 17:10 (two weeks ago) link

I esp liked the last section entitled "Privacy Fears" which...didn't really address that?

singular wolf erotica producer (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 20 July 2020 17:16 (two weeks ago) link

generally a great idea though, put survaillance in the trusting hands of tech moguls

singular wolf erotica producer (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 20 July 2020 17:17 (two weeks ago) link

I saw that article, read one sentence of it, said to myself, 'guillotines,' then clicked out of it

blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Monday, 20 July 2020 17:21 (two weeks ago) link

I like the idea of letting the actual citizens decide what to share with the cops vs the cops just having a million cameras running 24/7 that they can monitor.

DJI, Monday, 20 July 2020 17:54 (two weeks ago) link

why can't we not have both

singular wolf erotica producer (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 20 July 2020 17:57 (two weeks ago) link

a clear majority of high net worth individuals are at least as worried about the future as average people.

Yes. They are extremely worried that their investment portfolios may lose substantial value, thus threatening to drag their future lifestyle down to the level of those with only moderately high net worth. If they can't make that half-million dollar donation to a top Ivy League school, there's not much hope their children will do any better than getting into Syracuse or Duke.

the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Monday, 20 July 2020 18:04 (two weeks ago) link

my god pic.twitter.com/mCHdo0j6vJ

— Matthew Gertz (@MattGertz) July 24, 2020

lol they've already removed that quote in the second graf

mookieproof, Friday, 24 July 2020 21:18 (one week ago) link

Why does anyone ever agree to appear in these articles?

Virginia Plain, Saturday, 25 July 2020 03:34 (one week ago) link

Because they are sick freaks with a lust for attention, I assume.

all cats are beautiful (silby), Saturday, 25 July 2020 05:20 (one week ago) link

Guy who says he used to go to afternoon tea at the St. Regis but can’t now because of Black Lives Matter Plaza says ⁦@MayorBowser⁩ betrayed him so he’s leaving D.C. This whole read is... something else. https://t.co/uXD2fZvIFT

— Martin Austermuhle (@maustermuhle) July 25, 2020

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Saturday, 25 July 2020 23:45 (one week ago) link

What an enormous self entitled prick.

The whole thing is enraging but this paragraph maybe takes the cake.

Real city people have no bandwidth to lay down dead in the street or start fires as part of a “protest.” Look at our day: after our miserable commute to work, we have long days in the office, followed by happy hour, client dinners, drinks, maybe a fundraiser or two or having cigars at Shelly’s—and that doesn’t include going to the gym, picking up dry cleaning, seeing our actual friends or spouse, and that miserable commute back home. Quite honestly, we don’t have time for your cause—of which there are so many, so very many causes, so much so that even a city as liberal DC just does not care.

American Fear of Scampos (Ed), Sunday, 26 July 2020 00:03 (one week ago) link

I'm not clicking on this article but there's no way that paragraph is real, somebody is taking the piss.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Sunday, 26 July 2020 00:18 (one week ago) link

That guy’s twitter is exactly what you’d think

sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Sunday, 26 July 2020 00:21 (one week ago) link

He's real, regular Fox News guest and runs a lobbying firm for the energy industry. His Twitter is a piece of work, guillotine would be too kind.

blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Sunday, 26 July 2020 00:24 (one week ago) link

Sorry xpost

blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Sunday, 26 July 2020 00:25 (one week ago) link

I’ve witnessed the birth of entire neighborhoods: Shaw, 14th Street, The Atlas District, Navy Yard, Ivy City, The Wharf.

Um dude u must be really old because most of those neighborhoods date from the 18th century

Please, Hammurabi, don't hurt 'em (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 26 July 2020 00:28 (one week ago) link

erm 19th mostly but still

Please, Hammurabi, don't hurt 'em (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 26 July 2020 00:29 (one week ago) link

I presume he’s moved to West Virginia so I hope he gets eaten by a bear.

American Fear of Scampos (Ed), Sunday, 26 July 2020 00:30 (one week ago) link

she told me she was from “Brook-LAN?”


Nope. No she didn’t. No one has ever said that.

Anyway FUUUUUUUCK this guy.

singular wolf erotica producer (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, 26 July 2020 00:50 (one week ago) link

His Twitter is a piece of work, guillotine would be too kind.

We always talk guillotine, but we never talk dull guillotine.

Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Sunday, 26 July 2020 01:03 (one week ago) link

Just 20 pounds of dull steel repeatedly dropped until it either cuts through, breaks his neck or he has a heart attack.

Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Sunday, 26 July 2020 01:03 (one week ago) link

Real city ppl don’t have arduous commutes their jobs. . . in the city. Dude clearly a suburbanite from Gaithersburg.

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Tuesday, 28 July 2020 18:59 (one week ago) link

I saw that article, read one sentence of it, said to myself, 'guillotines,' then clicked out of it

― blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Monday, July 20, 2020 12:21 PM (one week ago) bookmarkflaglink

this. every time i open this thread. i don't know why i keep coming back.

budo jeru, Tuesday, 28 July 2020 19:02 (one week ago) link

I think it's because I like thinking of guillotines

blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Wednesday, 29 July 2020 11:31 (one week ago) link

Real city ppl don’t have arduous commutes their jobs. . . in the city. Dude clearly a suburbanite from Gaithersburg.


Too downmarket for a dude like that. I’m sure he lives in McLean/Great Falls.

Boring, Maryland, Wednesday, 29 July 2020 12:55 (one week ago) link

Yeah I was gonna go with Potomac tbh

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Wednesday, 29 July 2020 13:09 (one week ago) link


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