even more quiddities and agonies of the ruling class - a new rolling new york times thread

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Ms. Ginn, left, in her rat-pelt dress, and Ms. LaViola chatting with guests before dinner.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/misc/pixel.gif

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:32 (nine years ago) link

damn, for some reason i couldn't get that rat-pelt dress picture to show up. maybe a moderator can add it.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:33 (nine years ago) link

i couldn't even save that picture to my computer. the times is tricky.

http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2012/07/27/arts/design/20120727-RATS-4.html

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:38 (nine years ago) link

she needs to come along for the ride.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:39 (nine years ago) link

Across the table Mr. Hutchings gnawed on a rat bone, pronouncing it delicious. The dinner delivered on its once-in-a-lifetime promise. “I don’t care about it as art,” he said. “I care about it as something that makes me a more interesting human being.”

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2012/07/27/arts/27RATS_SPAN/27RATS_SPAN-articleLarge.jpg

For Ms. Ginn skinning and eating rats represents the survivalist instincts she likes to explore in her work. “To have these sorts of skills, it’s very empowering,” she said. “It makes me feel like I have more control over my world.”

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:00 (nine years ago) link

Cheryl
Westchester Cty

It reminds me a bit of the Woman Warrior ( Maxine Kingston) description of the narrator's mother as a Great Eater, one who could literally and figuratively eat any dish set before her without the slightest expression of fear or disgust. But in a setting of extreme comfort, and the best condiments and disguises for the purchased rats, it doesn't seem to signify anything. Now, if all the rats had been "wild raised" in NYC and caught by the participants, that would be a better story... Or perhaps if different rats had been trapped in different restaurants, again, we could compare the effects of different restaurant fare on their taste.... Overall, ick.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:02 (nine years ago) link

jg
San Francisco

How is this any different from the sensationalism of TV Shows like Fear Factor. Rats are disgusting and only eaten in the worst of times. They are in fact disease ridden and thoroughly disgusting. Why does this generation insist on destroying paradigms or structures without any sensible or tangible replacements. Did they learn nothing from the Baby Boomers and the "Me" generation? I hate everything about this from it's pettiness to its barbarism to the sensationalistic and cynical nature of it. Rich people eating rats. Rich indeed.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:05 (nine years ago) link

comments get really real:

Sami
Long Beach, CA

This can be seen as the expected result of the gentrification of New York that has been occurring for the past 20 years or so. Rats, formerly associated with urban squalor, became reified as a kind of aesthetic signifier of "authentic" New York-ness by the post-collegiate hordes of mostly white middle class young people who flocked to places like Williamsburg in the late 90s and early 2000s. These people were ravenous for real urban life, and embraced the rat as a component of a lifestyle they sought - even as their (the gentrifiers) increasing presence destroyed that same reality by displacing working class residents and communities that had been associated with the presence of rats during the Reagan era of urban decline. This event combines the role that art plays in the gentrification process with the gentrifiers obsession with "local" food culture in an ironic glorification of their (Pyrrhic) conquest of the "urban."

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:07 (nine years ago) link

something about eating rats that really pisses people off.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:07 (nine years ago) link

Sometimes I feel like the cycle of trolling and being trolled has just become a ritual for the Times style sections, like the commenters are just this chorus of people who "come to boo"

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 14:59 (nine years ago) link

I mean that's what we are, basically

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 15:00 (nine years ago) link

ya they know what theyre doin

lag∞n, Friday, 27 July 2012 15:02 (nine years ago) link

Sami
Long Beach, CA

This can be seen as the expected result of the gentrification of New York that has been occurring for the past 20 years or so. Rats, formerly associated with urban squalor, became reified as a kind of aesthetic signifier of "authentic" New York-ness by the post-collegiate hordes of mostly white middle class young people who flocked to places like Williamsburg in the late 90s and early 2000s. These people were ravenous for real urban life, and embraced the rat as a component of a lifestyle they sought - even as their (the gentrifiers) increasing presence destroyed that same reality by displacing working class residents and communities that had been associated with the presence of rats during the Reagan era of urban decline. This event combines the role that art plays in the gentrification process with the gentrifiers obsession with "local" food culture in an ironic glorification of their (Pyrrhic) conquest of the "urban."

― scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 04:07 (13 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^ rad

, Blogger (schlump), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:51 (nine years ago) link

I think we can't totally discount the possibility that this artist is trolling us too, like basically going for what that commenter is describing? I mean “I don’t care about it as art,” he said. “I care about it as something that makes me a more interesting human being.”

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:53 (nine years ago) link

that sounds like trolling

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:53 (nine years ago) link

i don't know, do you think that psychiatrists think their case studies are interesting as human beings, or just... interesting...?

j., Friday, 27 July 2012 17:21 (nine years ago) link

I think we can't totally discount the possibility that this artist is trolling us too, like basically going for what that commenter is describing? I mean “I don’t care about it as art,” he said. “I care about it as something that makes me a more interesting human being.”

― Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:53 (28 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this wasn't the artist, this was one of the guests

this seems totally fine to me tbh

thomp, Friday, 27 July 2012 17:26 (nine years ago) link

i hope that they get the plague and die.

KARLOR CAN FUCK ANYTHING! AND HE WILL AND HAS!!! (Eisbaer), Sunday, 29 July 2012 00:33 (nine years ago) link

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/29/automobiles/autoreviews/you-cant-beat-it-with-a-stick.html

Priced from $26,795, this is the ILX that screams “compromise” at the top of its little 2-liter lungs, with standard cloth seats and just 150 breathless horses from a version of the Civic engine.

seriously, THIS GUY (daria-g), Sunday, 29 July 2012 06:53 (nine years ago) link

the ILX seems limited to fans of zing-it-yourself compacts at a relatively high price.

undermikey: bidness (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, 29 July 2012 07:01 (nine years ago) link

too much time on nyt

I dont even know that I think this sucks per se (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 29 July 2012 14:11 (nine years ago) link

hey, in the interest of fair play, i read that article about the girl tavi who had the fashion blog and now has the rookie site and she seems cool and her site looks great and smart.

don't want to hate every young person in the new york times. makes me feel bad.

"in the spirit of sassy magazine" is always a good move. plus, john waters loves her and that's good enough for me.

wish more websites looked like the rookie site for real! so easy to read and navigate and pleasant to look at.

http://rookiemag.com/

scott seward, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:27 (nine years ago) link

ya tavi is awesome

lag∞n, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:38 (nine years ago) link

yep rookie is great and i wish i was as cool and smart at 28 as tavi is at 15/16

Roz, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:55 (nine years ago) link

nothing to hate about tavi.

wmlynch, Sunday, 29 July 2012 18:25 (nine years ago) link

Rookie is great and I wish it was there to read when I was 12+ years old. So much better than so many teen girl mags.

Crabbits, Sunday, 29 July 2012 19:54 (nine years ago) link

LONG ILX THREADS HATE THIS ONE SIMPLE TRICK:

1. Click on the Permalink of the message right after the cutoff.

2. The URL will now contain something like "bookmarkedmessageid=3669956"

3. Change that number to something smaller and you will be jumped back to an earlier point in the thread without loading the whole thing.

― Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, July 27, 2012 12:52 PM (6 days ago) Bookmark

I feel dumb for not having thought of doing this myself!

Je55e, Friday, 3 August 2012 12:07 (nine years ago) link

i tried it on the long orig breaking bad thread & it didnt seem 2 work

johnny crunch, Friday, 3 August 2012 12:18 (nine years ago) link

Which part didn't work? The only maybe tricky part is that if you don't make that number small enough, you won't get any older messages. And if you make that number too small you'll be at the first messages. Usually lowering it by thousands or ten-thousands is enough.

Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, 3 August 2012 18:45 (nine years ago) link

i have tried it and it worked

lag∞n, Friday, 3 August 2012 18:46 (nine years ago) link

What I do with a long thread is open it at my bookmarked spot and then hit permalink on the first post while the rest is loading.

Moodles, Friday, 3 August 2012 19:51 (nine years ago) link

fyi you can also click on the permalink for the last post before the fold and then just click “view previous page"

1staethyr, Friday, 3 August 2012 20:40 (nine years ago) link

View Previous Page has only ever worked sporadically for me.

Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, 3 August 2012 20:46 (nine years ago) link

i enjoy that scott is all 'that tavi girl'

thomp, Friday, 3 August 2012 21:24 (nine years ago) link

View Previous Page has only ever worked sporadically for me.

― Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, August 3, 2012 4:46 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

smells like ok (soda) (dayo), Saturday, 4 August 2012 13:35 (nine years ago) link

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/05/nyregion/four-men-sharing-rent-and-friendship-for-18-years.html

men. living together.

goole, Saturday, 4 August 2012 17:57 (nine years ago) link

i was looking for a thread on like manchildren or something to post this on but i guess this is close enough because lol nytimes not so much these guys are the ruling class

buzza, Saturday, 4 August 2012 18:58 (nine years ago) link

"Shyaporn Theerakulstit, actor and audiobook narrator"

I dont even know that I think this sucks per se (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 5 August 2012 12:46 (nine years ago) link

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/05/fashion/montauk-feels-the-effects-of-too-many-hipsters.html

In the meantime, longtime residents are left to harken back to that first crowd that had to endure an invasion of newcomers, the Montauket tribe. As Mr. Devlin’s wife, Eileen, joked on Friday as the restaurant prepared for another busy night, “Now I know how the Indians felt.”

Nope. No you don't.

Playoff Starts Here (san lazaro), Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:00 (nine years ago) link

it notes clearly that she was joking

lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:16 (nine years ago) link

yah what gives

smells like ok (soda) (dayo), Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:17 (nine years ago) link

Another showed a rifle and the words “Defend Montauk.”

printing hipster shirts against hipsters u might be a hipster

lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:21 (nine years ago) link

also isnt the fedora more of a broish affectation

lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:21 (nine years ago) link

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/05/nyregion/four-men-sharing-rent-and-friendship-for-18-years.html

men. living together.

― goole, Saturday, August 4, 2012 1:57 PM

this was hilarious! The comments, though, are mostly horrifying.

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:57 (nine years ago) link

quiddities thread has made me insensitive to the real articles, i want all the stupid setup cut so i can get right to the aughs

j., Sunday, 5 August 2012 15:58 (nine years ago) link

so by hipster they just mean young money?

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Sunday, 5 August 2012 16:09 (nine years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/aXnRN.jpg

well

lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 17:47 (nine years ago) link

Maybe more like frivolities and agonies of American consumerism, but not ruling class. Starbucks are in highway rest stops now - you see truckers getting coffee there.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 10 June 2021 21:27 (five months ago) link

I assume someone has written about how bad all the second-wave/Friends-era coffee places were, old charcoal beans and sugar - like if Blue Moon was at the head of the craft beer revolution.

Joe Bombin (milo z), Thursday, 10 June 2021 21:53 (five months ago) link

haha, a semi-forgotten bit of my high school/early college past.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 10 June 2021 21:55 (five months ago) link

My first introduction to the concept of a latte/cappuccino was the beatnik coffee bar in So I Married An Axe Murderer I think.

Joe Bombin (milo z), Thursday, 10 June 2021 22:13 (five months ago) link

I assume someone has written about how bad all the second-wave/Friends-era coffee places were, old charcoal beans and sugar - like if Blue Moon was at the head of the craft beer revolution.

― Joe Bombin (milo z), Thursday, June 10, 2021 10:53 PM (twenty-four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

lol this kind of place is a super-popular chain here called Beans and Brews. i call it pees and poos.

Linda and Jodie Rocco (map), Thursday, 10 June 2021 22:19 (five months ago) link

I participated in my share of poetry nights

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 11 June 2021 01:07 (five months ago) link

one month passes...

Not surprisingly, "old money" is very, very white. Also, thin, blandly good-looking and impeccably dressed, coifed and manicured.

it is to laugh, like so, ha! (Aimless), Sunday, 1 August 2021 19:36 (four months ago) link

four weeks pass...

damn, for some reason i couldn't get that rat-pelt dress picture to show up. maybe a moderator can add it.

I did an image search on 'rat pelt dress' and found:

https://www.incrediblethings.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/dorothy-costume-for-your-rat.jpg

it is to laugh, like so, ha! (Aimless), Tuesday, 31 August 2021 19:22 (three months ago) link

one month passes...

https://i.imgur.com/I8z1GMI.jpg

most popular article on the website

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 30 September 2021 17:36 (two months ago) link

four weeks pass...

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/28/business/gen-z-workplace-culture.html

This week, in "no really, this generation really IS selfish and demanding!"...

(and once again completely forgets Gen X exists)

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Friday, 29 October 2021 02:09 (one month ago) link

shh, we're best forgotten

mookieproof, Friday, 29 October 2021 02:24 (one month ago) link

two weeks pass...

https://i.imgur.com/ixw8A3d.jpg

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 16 November 2021 12:15 (two weeks ago) link

Most popular!!

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 16 November 2021 12:16 (two weeks ago) link

apart from the number, feels like a front-page headline from like 1926

I Am Fribbulus (Xax) (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 16 November 2021 12:28 (two weeks ago) link

I say, the whole town's positively crackin' over that blue-chip art from the Macklowe's bittah divoahce!

Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 16 November 2021 14:12 (two weeks ago) link

Real Estate Mogul Taunts Ex-Wife With 42-Foot-Tall Photo of New One

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/10/nyregion/harry-macklowe-patricia-landeau.html

jmm, Tuesday, 16 November 2021 14:16 (two weeks ago) link

The onion couldn’t do it better …

calstars, Tuesday, 16 November 2021 14:32 (two weeks ago) link

doesn’t really fit the thread, but how about “pressure on china after tennis star’s ASSAULT accusation”? #metoo makes it sound like a fucking tiktok challenge

https://i.imgur.com/pWMwizn.png

Tracer Hand, Saturday, 20 November 2021 09:42 (two weeks ago) link

Pretty awful story that

calstars, Saturday, 20 November 2021 13:05 (two weeks ago) link

lol i almost posted that

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 24 November 2021 22:28 (one week ago) link

Currently still trying to process Augustus and Minerva

popcornoscenti (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 25 November 2021 02:30 (one week ago) link

“I think, ‘You know what? If I were a set designer for a play and I wanted to show a house that was fun and not too fancy and a place of joy with parents who treasured their children, what would it look like?’” Ms. Salie said. “And I think it would probably look just like our messy apartment.”

this, wow. this hall of mirrors self-congratulatory self-voyeurism just laid out bare like that. I’m Proud Of My Messy Apartment Because It Looks Like My Idea Of Someone’s Idea Of People’s Idea Of A Loving Home. wow.

a swift, a shrike, a kite, a (cat), Thursday, 25 November 2021 03:25 (one week ago) link

I agree that's very weird way to say "I think there is a visible connection between how our messy apartment is and the fact that I value my family's happiness over how neat and tidy my apartment looks." But I get the connection she's drawing and "hall of mirrors self-congratulatory self-voyeurism" doesn't seem like a very generous reading of that sentiment.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 25 November 2021 03:38 (one week ago) link

there's a fine line between media hyperconsumption-induced self-awareness and narcissism sometimes. I hope it's more the former.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 25 November 2021 03:40 (one week ago) link

rich people have no souls, it's okay to hate them

When Young Sheldon began to rap (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 25 November 2021 03:44 (one week ago) link

when rich people exhibit normal human-like traits, I prefer to encourage them to continue in that direction, since I can't take most of their money away and render them more harmless through that avenue.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 25 November 2021 03:47 (one week ago) link

oh Aimless, you rational shoulder angel <3

a swift, a shrike, a kite, a (cat), Saturday, 27 November 2021 20:28 (one week ago) link

personal quid/ag re NYTimes -- have they gotten really overzealous with paywalls lately? I feel like I get the "you've reached your limit of free articles" even when I haven't read a single article in weeks. FWIW I've noticed this on other sites too - I sometimes reach my "limit" of free articles on newspapers I basically never read, like I'll click some out of state daily and it says I'm already at my limit.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Sunday, 28 November 2021 04:03 (one week ago) link

I think that’s a product of ad and cookie blockers.

papal hotwife (milo z), Sunday, 28 November 2021 04:22 (one week ago) link

Slate not NYTimes but: "I wish my family weren't giving me a gigantic house, it's really not to my taste"

https://slate.com/business/2021/12/in-laws-are-offering-their-ugly-house-what-to-do-if-you-dont-want-a-big-gift.html

Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 3 December 2021 21:21 (three days ago) link

lol, to be in the position when accepting a *house* is at the level of an etiquette dilemma, akin to accepting a hideous sweater or something. not something i will ever fully understand, but i can at least recognize the letter writer's feelings that they don't want to live in this dumb house in a dumb community with an awful commute. why not tell the inlaws to sell their mcmansion and just give you the cash? idk. two years is a long time to be miserable and resenting your husband's family every miserable day.

I Am Fribbulus (Xax) (Doctor Casino), Friday, 3 December 2021 22:36 (three days ago) link

The lack of self-awareness in that letter is staggering

Lavator Shemmelpennick, Saturday, 4 December 2021 13:48 (two days ago) link

idk, I have some sympathy, even though I'll never be able to afford to buy a house. It sucks when you've saved up to buy the thing you want and then someone with more money helpfully swoops in gives you a thing you don't want instead, thus making it impossible for you to get the thing you do want. Doesn't suck as much as not having money or things in the first place, but it's an uncomfortable position to be in.

It sounds like they're in a slightly awkward in-between financial situation where they technically can afford to buy a house if one comes up in their price range and they get their application accepted, but they aren't financially secure enough to turn down a gift that's going to substantially change their day-to-day lives for the worse. Two years of 1-3 hour commutes each way sounds horrible, and there's no guarantee that the in-laws would be fine with them selling the house after two years - they might be stuck with it for a long time.

Lily Dale, Saturday, 4 December 2021 14:57 (two days ago) link

Right. Housing is not fungible. This is obviously a trivial example but you get the same idea, that a house is a house, and you get what you’re given, regardless of where you work and family and social life, from people who want to solve homelessness in LA by building houses three hours away from LA.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Saturday, 4 December 2021 16:49 (two days ago) link

Also it kinda feels like an effort from the parents to compel the couple into a certain life that the parents want them to have but the couple doesn't and has already rejected.

Ima Gardener (in orbit), Saturday, 4 December 2021 17:08 (two days ago) link

And like the husband is maybe being a little bit blind to that because of the emotional baggage, which is exactly why manipulation is effective.

Ima Gardener (in orbit), Saturday, 4 December 2021 17:09 (two days ago) link

I suspect their wrong turn was writing in to a national media outlet and making themselves seem really tone-deaf to other people's challenges, but I don't think the dilemma is not valid.

Ima Gardener (in orbit), Saturday, 4 December 2021 17:13 (two days ago) link

I suspect I would loathe that letter writer for other bourgeois sins, but I’ve had a commute like that before and, honestly, I would give up at least $1m cash, and insult any family member necessary, to avoid going from walking to work to making that drive every work day for years of my finite life. Absolute hell.

nicole, Saturday, 4 December 2021 17:25 (two days ago) link

I get the sympathy too, and this is not the house I would want to live in, but I also can't help noting that there are five sentences about how the house is tacky before the one sentence about how it would suck to have a long commute.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Saturday, 4 December 2021 17:30 (two days ago) link

Absolutely. They seem to have a good situation and the parents want to completely ruin it in favor of a resource-hogging, unsustainable lifestyle that they used to value and now want to be rid of. Here, take this thing we don't want anymore and also we'll be super offended if you don't share our cultural values which you've already discarded? The in-laws sound like assholes.

Ima Gardener (in orbit), Saturday, 4 December 2021 17:30 (two days ago) link

Sorry that was an xp to nicole. Sure the OP is maybe a little tone-deaf altho imo the complaints about the nature of the house are more substantial than just tackiness (it's poorly designed for life, the yard would be a waste of time and resources, etc). Again I blame the in-laws for making poor life choices.

Ima Gardener (in orbit), Saturday, 4 December 2021 17:34 (two days ago) link

the response note about putting in time to avoid the capital gains tax seems pertinent

When Young Sheldon began to rap (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 4 December 2021 17:51 (two days ago) link

I mean it’s something they should think about but it’s not really relevant to the miss manners aspect of the problem. You still make a profit if you leave before two years and the house has gone up. You just make less.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Saturday, 4 December 2021 17:54 (two days ago) link

well sure, probably never complain about this in earshot of media

When Young Sheldon began to rap (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 4 December 2021 18:03 (two days ago) link

You still make a profit if you leave before two years and the house has gone up.

You make a profit even if the house price goes down because you didn't pay for the house.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Saturday, 4 December 2021 19:21 (two days ago) link

plus 2 years more savings for your own house because you aren't paying rent.

koogs, Saturday, 4 December 2021 20:27 (two days ago) link

The tax consequences of being given a house seem pretty thorny. (Of course, GAH, yeah I know, like this is a problem that normal humans have)

Wouldn't renting it to someone else be an option? - that is, neither living in it nor selling it?

tone-loki (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 4 December 2021 20:39 (two days ago) link

When I think about it a little more, I think I would have no qualms with the asker if the scenario were "my in-laws offered my husband and me $500K if I committed myself to attending their church and sending my kids to their Sunday school for religious instruction," so the question is, why do I perceive the actual scenario differently, and should I?

Guayaquil (eephus!), Saturday, 4 December 2021 21:43 (two days ago) link


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