even more quiddities and agonies of the ruling class - a new rolling new york times thread

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Ms. Ginn, left, in her rat-pelt dress, and Ms. LaViola chatting with guests before dinner.

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scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:32 (six years ago) Permalink

damn, for some reason i couldn't get that rat-pelt dress picture to show up. maybe a moderator can add it.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:33 (six years ago) Permalink

i couldn't even save that picture to my computer. the times is tricky.

http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2012/07/27/arts/design/20120727-RATS-4.html

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:38 (six years ago) Permalink

she needs to come along for the ride.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:39 (six years ago) Permalink

Across the table Mr. Hutchings gnawed on a rat bone, pronouncing it delicious. The dinner delivered on its once-in-a-lifetime promise. “I don’t care about it as art,” he said. “I care about it as something that makes me a more interesting human being.”

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2012/07/27/arts/27RATS_SPAN/27RATS_SPAN-articleLarge.jpg

For Ms. Ginn skinning and eating rats represents the survivalist instincts she likes to explore in her work. “To have these sorts of skills, it’s very empowering,” she said. “It makes me feel like I have more control over my world.”

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:00 (six years ago) Permalink

Cheryl
Westchester Cty

It reminds me a bit of the Woman Warrior ( Maxine Kingston) description of the narrator's mother as a Great Eater, one who could literally and figuratively eat any dish set before her without the slightest expression of fear or disgust. But in a setting of extreme comfort, and the best condiments and disguises for the purchased rats, it doesn't seem to signify anything. Now, if all the rats had been "wild raised" in NYC and caught by the participants, that would be a better story... Or perhaps if different rats had been trapped in different restaurants, again, we could compare the effects of different restaurant fare on their taste.... Overall, ick.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:02 (six years ago) Permalink

jg
San Francisco

How is this any different from the sensationalism of TV Shows like Fear Factor. Rats are disgusting and only eaten in the worst of times. They are in fact disease ridden and thoroughly disgusting. Why does this generation insist on destroying paradigms or structures without any sensible or tangible replacements. Did they learn nothing from the Baby Boomers and the "Me" generation? I hate everything about this from it's pettiness to its barbarism to the sensationalistic and cynical nature of it. Rich people eating rats. Rich indeed.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:05 (six years ago) Permalink

comments get really real:

Sami
Long Beach, CA

This can be seen as the expected result of the gentrification of New York that has been occurring for the past 20 years or so. Rats, formerly associated with urban squalor, became reified as a kind of aesthetic signifier of "authentic" New York-ness by the post-collegiate hordes of mostly white middle class young people who flocked to places like Williamsburg in the late 90s and early 2000s. These people were ravenous for real urban life, and embraced the rat as a component of a lifestyle they sought - even as their (the gentrifiers) increasing presence destroyed that same reality by displacing working class residents and communities that had been associated with the presence of rats during the Reagan era of urban decline. This event combines the role that art plays in the gentrification process with the gentrifiers obsession with "local" food culture in an ironic glorification of their (Pyrrhic) conquest of the "urban."

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:07 (six years ago) Permalink

something about eating rats that really pisses people off.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:07 (six years ago) Permalink

Sometimes I feel like the cycle of trolling and being trolled has just become a ritual for the Times style sections, like the commenters are just this chorus of people who "come to boo"

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 14:59 (six years ago) Permalink

I mean that's what we are, basically

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 15:00 (six years ago) Permalink

ya they know what theyre doin

lag∞n, Friday, 27 July 2012 15:02 (six years ago) Permalink

Sami
Long Beach, CA

This can be seen as the expected result of the gentrification of New York that has been occurring for the past 20 years or so. Rats, formerly associated with urban squalor, became reified as a kind of aesthetic signifier of "authentic" New York-ness by the post-collegiate hordes of mostly white middle class young people who flocked to places like Williamsburg in the late 90s and early 2000s. These people were ravenous for real urban life, and embraced the rat as a component of a lifestyle they sought - even as their (the gentrifiers) increasing presence destroyed that same reality by displacing working class residents and communities that had been associated with the presence of rats during the Reagan era of urban decline. This event combines the role that art plays in the gentrification process with the gentrifiers obsession with "local" food culture in an ironic glorification of their (Pyrrhic) conquest of the "urban."

― scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 04:07 (13 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^ rad

, Blogger (schlump), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:51 (six years ago) Permalink

I think we can't totally discount the possibility that this artist is trolling us too, like basically going for what that commenter is describing? I mean “I don’t care about it as art,” he said. “I care about it as something that makes me a more interesting human being.”

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:53 (six years ago) Permalink

that sounds like trolling

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:53 (six years ago) Permalink

i don't know, do you think that psychiatrists think their case studies are interesting as human beings, or just... interesting...?

j., Friday, 27 July 2012 17:21 (six years ago) Permalink

I think we can't totally discount the possibility that this artist is trolling us too, like basically going for what that commenter is describing? I mean “I don’t care about it as art,” he said. “I care about it as something that makes me a more interesting human being.”

― Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:53 (28 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this wasn't the artist, this was one of the guests

this seems totally fine to me tbh

thomp, Friday, 27 July 2012 17:26 (six years ago) Permalink

i hope that they get the plague and die.

KARLOR CAN FUCK ANYTHING! AND HE WILL AND HAS!!! (Eisbaer), Sunday, 29 July 2012 00:33 (six years ago) Permalink

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/29/automobiles/autoreviews/you-cant-beat-it-with-a-stick.html

Priced from $26,795, this is the ILX that screams “compromise” at the top of its little 2-liter lungs, with standard cloth seats and just 150 breathless horses from a version of the Civic engine.

seriously, THIS GUY (daria-g), Sunday, 29 July 2012 06:53 (six years ago) Permalink

the ILX seems limited to fans of zing-it-yourself compacts at a relatively high price.

undermikey: bidness (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, 29 July 2012 07:01 (six years ago) Permalink

too much time on nyt

I dont even know that I think this sucks per se (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 29 July 2012 14:11 (six years ago) Permalink

hey, in the interest of fair play, i read that article about the girl tavi who had the fashion blog and now has the rookie site and she seems cool and her site looks great and smart.

don't want to hate every young person in the new york times. makes me feel bad.

"in the spirit of sassy magazine" is always a good move. plus, john waters loves her and that's good enough for me.

wish more websites looked like the rookie site for real! so easy to read and navigate and pleasant to look at.

http://rookiemag.com/

scott seward, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:27 (six years ago) Permalink

ya tavi is awesome

lag∞n, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:38 (six years ago) Permalink

yep rookie is great and i wish i was as cool and smart at 28 as tavi is at 15/16

Roz, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:55 (six years ago) Permalink

nothing to hate about tavi.

wmlynch, Sunday, 29 July 2012 18:25 (six years ago) Permalink

Rookie is great and I wish it was there to read when I was 12+ years old. So much better than so many teen girl mags.

Crabbits, Sunday, 29 July 2012 19:54 (six years ago) Permalink

LONG ILX THREADS HATE THIS ONE SIMPLE TRICK:

1. Click on the Permalink of the message right after the cutoff.

2. The URL will now contain something like "bookmarkedmessageid=3669956"

3. Change that number to something smaller and you will be jumped back to an earlier point in the thread without loading the whole thing.

― Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, July 27, 2012 12:52 PM (6 days ago) Bookmark

I feel dumb for not having thought of doing this myself!

Je55e, Friday, 3 August 2012 12:07 (six years ago) Permalink

i tried it on the long orig breaking bad thread & it didnt seem 2 work

johnny crunch, Friday, 3 August 2012 12:18 (six years ago) Permalink

Which part didn't work? The only maybe tricky part is that if you don't make that number small enough, you won't get any older messages. And if you make that number too small you'll be at the first messages. Usually lowering it by thousands or ten-thousands is enough.

Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, 3 August 2012 18:45 (six years ago) Permalink

i have tried it and it worked

lag∞n, Friday, 3 August 2012 18:46 (six years ago) Permalink

What I do with a long thread is open it at my bookmarked spot and then hit permalink on the first post while the rest is loading.

Moodles, Friday, 3 August 2012 19:51 (six years ago) Permalink

fyi you can also click on the permalink for the last post before the fold and then just click “view previous page"

1staethyr, Friday, 3 August 2012 20:40 (six years ago) Permalink

View Previous Page has only ever worked sporadically for me.

Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, 3 August 2012 20:46 (six years ago) Permalink

i enjoy that scott is all 'that tavi girl'

thomp, Friday, 3 August 2012 21:24 (six years ago) Permalink

View Previous Page has only ever worked sporadically for me.

― Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, August 3, 2012 4:46 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

smells like ok (soda) (dayo), Saturday, 4 August 2012 13:35 (six years ago) Permalink

i was looking for a thread on like manchildren or something to post this on but i guess this is close enough because lol nytimes not so much these guys are the ruling class

buzza, Saturday, 4 August 2012 18:58 (six years ago) Permalink

"Shyaporn Theerakulstit, actor and audiobook narrator"

I dont even know that I think this sucks per se (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 5 August 2012 12:46 (six years ago) Permalink

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/05/fashion/montauk-feels-the-effects-of-too-many-hipsters.html

In the meantime, longtime residents are left to harken back to that first crowd that had to endure an invasion of newcomers, the Montauket tribe. As Mr. Devlin’s wife, Eileen, joked on Friday as the restaurant prepared for another busy night, “Now I know how the Indians felt.”

Nope. No you don't.

Playoff Starts Here (san lazaro), Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:00 (six years ago) Permalink

it notes clearly that she was joking

lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:16 (six years ago) Permalink

yah what gives

smells like ok (soda) (dayo), Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:17 (six years ago) Permalink

Another showed a rifle and the words “Defend Montauk.”

printing hipster shirts against hipsters u might be a hipster

lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:21 (six years ago) Permalink

also isnt the fedora more of a broish affectation

lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:21 (six years ago) Permalink

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/05/nyregion/four-men-sharing-rent-and-friendship-for-18-years.html

men. living together.

― goole, Saturday, August 4, 2012 1:57 PM

this was hilarious! The comments, though, are mostly horrifying.

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:57 (six years ago) Permalink

quiddities thread has made me insensitive to the real articles, i want all the stupid setup cut so i can get right to the aughs

j., Sunday, 5 August 2012 15:58 (six years ago) Permalink

so by hipster they just mean young money?

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Sunday, 5 August 2012 16:09 (six years ago) Permalink

http://i.imgur.com/aXnRN.jpg

well

lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 17:47 (six years ago) Permalink

The one pcters are in our midst more than we know, they just are good at dressing down

calstars, Friday, 5 April 2019 20:40 (two months ago) Permalink

just to back up a sec, is the writer trying to imply that Martin Luther King's bday is an African American holiday, the way Christmas is Christian and Rosh Hashana is Jewish? Because, if so, oof.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 5 April 2019 20:42 (two months ago) Permalink

they're implying that white christians and jews have influence that african americans don't i think

findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Friday, 5 April 2019 20:45 (two months ago) Permalink

it's kind of an insane juxtaposition though

moose; squirrel (silby), Friday, 5 April 2019 20:45 (two months ago) Permalink

yeah I got it but it's kinda o_O, especially since MLK day is not an african american holiday

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 5 April 2019 20:46 (two months ago) Permalink

i mean yes it does read like martin luther king's birthday is a holiday in the african american religion but i don't think that's the intention

findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Friday, 5 April 2019 20:47 (two months ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

Anna Sorokin, the fake heiress accused of being a society scammer, was found guilty. There is an Instagram account devoted to her style in court. Our chief fashion critic @VVFriedman explains why courtroom fashion actually matters. https://t.co/oskPoRuiXF

— The New York Times (@nytimes) April 28, 2019

j., Sunday, 28 April 2019 03:50 (one month ago) Permalink

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blokes you can't rust (sic), Sunday, 28 April 2019 11:45 (one month ago) Permalink

i pasted in a url from their link-shortener, you goon

j., Sunday, 28 April 2019 14:54 (one month ago) Permalink

This is just an editing issue, but am I wrong that this should be "coffeeshop talk"? I feel like I'm going crazy.

The raisin industry runs on what Mr. Overly calls “coffee shoptalk,” which is to say, gossip.

Mr. Overly does not believe that Mr. Barserian was behind the threats; only that he knew they had been made. “Did Kalem know?” he said. “I would presume that he would because of, he knows everybody, right? And the coffee shoptalk will get that stuff out there. So I would assume that he’d heard about it. But I can’t verify that.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/27/style/sun-maid-raisin-industry.html

☮ (peace, man), Monday, 29 April 2019 12:27 (one month ago) Permalink

diff between

coffee shoptalk
raisin shoptalk
coffeeshop talk
coffeeshop shoptalk

j., Monday, 29 April 2019 12:46 (one month ago) Permalink

lockerroom raisins

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 29 April 2019 14:43 (one month ago) Permalink

Talk among yourselves. I'll give you a topic. Coffee shoptalk is neither a form of shoptalk nor an activity that involves drinking coffee, discuss.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 29 April 2019 14:46 (one month ago) Permalink

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/03/travel/Nobu-Ryokan-Malibu.html

"A ryokan in name only"

:∵·∴·∵: (crüt), Saturday, 4 May 2019 18:48 (one month ago) Permalink

On Nov. 16, 1987, when the 20-year-old “Cosby Show” star Lisa Bonet eloped with the singer Lenny Kravitz, it was black Gen X point zero for rule breaking, style making and boundaries shaking.

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 14 May 2019 16:25 (one month ago) Permalink

It's cold outside and my hands are dry
Skin is cracked and I realize
That I hate the sound of guitars
A thousand grudging young millionaires
Forcing silence sucking sound
Forced into this conversation

So I say shine let your planets collide
This is the darkening down of my mind
We could be making it oiling like crime
We could be making it staking last dimes
If you want to seize the sound
You don't need a reservation

Now if you want to seize the sound
You don't need a reservation

The torch is passed it's yours to return
Lay at their feet now use it to burn
For marketing the use of the word generation
A false alliance of money persuading
Forcing silence sound sucking
Forced into this conversation

Now if you want to seize the sound
You don't need a reservation

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 14 May 2019 17:10 (one month ago) Permalink

I find Giridharadas's public persona irritating about 85% of the time but this is exactly the context in which I'm into it.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Sunday, 19 May 2019 14:32 (four weeks ago) Permalink

Yikes. Won’t hurt sales, tho.

rb (soda), Sunday, 19 May 2019 14:32 (four weeks ago) Permalink

maybe giridharadas should review thomas friedman's columns

mookieproof, Sunday, 19 May 2019 17:57 (four weeks ago) Permalink

yeah i posted it because it felt like one section of the paper reviewing another

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Sunday, 19 May 2019 20:53 (four weeks ago) Permalink

That's a good review, but I remember liking Guns Germs and Steel a lot at the time and thinking it seemed like a pretty sound theory -- are there any good critiques of it worth reading?

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 20 May 2019 19:07 (four weeks ago) Permalink

I recently signed up for the NYtimes cooking / recipe box feature. The comment section is awesomely A&Q, and I can't tell which comments are trolling and which ones are sincere. Here are some reader responses from a salad dressing recipe posted by Samin Nosrat. I like to imagine the voices of the people who wrote them:

"EssieDee1 day ago / The best green salad in the world? I had a better one in St. Remy De Provence in 2012 . . ."
"David o.5 days ago / Did a very Canadian thing. Instead of honey, added maple syrup. Added a nice touch, it did."
"Dora1 week ago / To claim that most Italian extra virgin oil is adulterated while Greece, Lebanon and Spain’s is pure is simply untrue and irresponsible as it damages the reputation of so many honest small Italian oil producers. The entire industry is plagued with abuse and buyer beware from whatever provenance. I have to laugh at the Lebanon reference from personal knowledge."

remy bean, Monday, 20 May 2019 21:58 (four weeks ago) Permalink

Metropolitan Diary: Turn It Down

Dear Diary:
In fall 1999, I was single and I decided to have a party where single men and women could meet. The caveat was that everyone I invited had to bring an equally unattached friend, presumably someone they were not romantically interested in.
The party was a great success, and at around 10 p.m. the doorbell rang. I opened the door to two men dressed in dark clothes. I introduced myself as the hostess.
“Come on in, gentlemen,” I said. “The party is just getting started.”
The older of the two stepped forward.
“Excuse me, ma’am,” he said. “We’re from the 20th Precinct, and we had a noise complaint from one of your neighbors.”
I started to offer to turn the music down while apologizing for any inconvenience when the younger of the two officers stepped into the apartment. To my surprise, he took my hand and started dancing with me.
We danced until the song ended. The officer leaned toward me.
“I’m getting off at 11,” he said, before asking whether he could come back after his shift ended.
“Of course,” I said. The officers left.
Around 11:30, the younger officer returned. He ended up being one of the last guests to leave.
— Melaney Mashburn


for bonus fun, imagine the same story set in the end of Weimar Germany

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 30 May 2019 18:02 (two weeks ago) Permalink

wake up, melaney!!!

difficult listening hour, Thursday, 30 May 2019 18:29 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Another real estate one, starring two Vice staffers
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/05/30/realestate/30hunt-conti.html
Guess which one they chose.

Bnad, Tuesday, 4 June 2019 19:34 (two weeks ago) Permalink

most expensive of course. Damn, $3800 a month, and vice pay is notoriously low (although maybe exec editor is an exception). DINKs.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 4 June 2019 19:51 (two weeks ago) Permalink

wau i would live in Clinton Hill over Bed-Stuy in a heartbeat

Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 4 June 2019 19:55 (two weeks ago) Permalink

i assume these are 1BRs? lmaaaaaao

Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 4 June 2019 19:57 (two weeks ago) Permalink

it's all broken

Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 4 June 2019 19:57 (two weeks ago) Permalink

rare that I have a chance to feel better about my rent tbf

don't mock my smock or i'll clean your clock (silby), Tuesday, 4 June 2019 20:04 (two weeks ago) Permalink

xxxp they had a wedding announcement in the times, one of them has a trust at least?

gyac, Tuesday, 4 June 2019 20:05 (two weeks ago) Permalink

It says they were looking for a 2BR. The Clinton Hill one had an extremely fucked up layout so I don't blame them for not taking it -- the one bathroom was literally outside the unit and you had to walk through someone else's place to get to your own due to some kind of shared staircase. Can't really blame them for not wanting that. As much an indictment of how insane NYC real estate is as Q&A of the ruling class. But at the same time, (1) fuck your need to live in a "classic brownstone" and (2) just fucking move to queens.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 4 June 2019 20:06 (two weeks ago) Permalink

ah i see now. 2BR is much more realistic for that money.

Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 4 June 2019 20:08 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I don't care how small the apartment was, giving up getting to walk to work is weird but they are young I guess.

Yerac, Tuesday, 4 June 2019 20:10 (two weeks ago) Permalink

At least they have that really nice mirror.

Yerac, Tuesday, 4 June 2019 20:11 (two weeks ago) Permalink

btw

https://i.imgur.com/9tBqqoh.jpg

mookieproof, Tuesday, 4 June 2019 20:13 (two weeks ago) Permalink

hahahahahaha oh. my god

Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 4 June 2019 20:15 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Headline writer misspelled "lágrimas"

don't mock my smock or i'll clean your clock (silby), Tuesday, 4 June 2019 20:17 (two weeks ago) Permalink

we thought being complete idiots was a good idea but we were wrong

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 4 June 2019 20:19 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I could barely plan things to do in Argentina with my parents when I was like 20

don't mock my smock or i'll clean your clock (silby), Tuesday, 4 June 2019 20:23 (two weeks ago) Permalink

That writer is also the editor in chief at Goop.

Yerac, Tuesday, 4 June 2019 20:27 (two weeks ago) Permalink

is that shocking?!?!

Yerac, Tuesday, 4 June 2019 20:28 (two weeks ago) Permalink

My life perspective changed a lot when it hit me that jobs like "editor in chief of goop," which ordinary folks sadly strive for and usually don't get, are actually just created for the dumber kids of rich people.*

*nb I don't actually know what goop is.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 4 June 2019 20:31 (two weeks ago) Permalink

presumably the smart kids of smart rich people are allowed to join in doing whatever the parents did

don't mock my smock or i'll clean your clock (silby), Tuesday, 4 June 2019 20:32 (two weeks ago) Permalink

i am sure you have looked it up by now, but goop is G Paltrow's mockable but profitable lifestyle brand.

Yerac, Tuesday, 4 June 2019 20:55 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I think Pergament is where you go in Catholic theology to live in eternal agonies if your sins are all quiddities

Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 4 June 2019 21:24 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Blake Lively's store-brand Goop was better
https://jezebel.com/what-real-dudes-think-of-the-mens-section-on-blake-live-1616380572

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Tuesday, 4 June 2019 21:28 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Blake's barely lasted a year i think.

Yerac, Tuesday, 4 June 2019 21:35 (two weeks ago) Permalink


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