U.S. Supreme Court: Post-Ginsburg Edition

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Can Trump nominate himself?

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 25 September 2020 15:15 (three years ago) link

and continuing the SCOTUS term limit discussion, reposting the explainer
https://fixthecourt.com/2019/11/myth-facts-scotus-term-limits/

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 25 September 2020 15:19 (three years ago) link

No idea if these proposed changes are ideal or if they could ever plausibly come to pass, but I like that they are being put out there. It's a good step to start getting people used to the idea of major changes to the court.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 25 September 2020 15:24 (three years ago) link

Bryant Johnson, Ruth Bader Ginsburg’s personal trainer, does push-ups as Justice Ginsburg lies in state in the U.S. Capitol.

Full video: https://t.co/vri1sJcUV6 pic.twitter.com/C11uVFeQlQ

— CSPAN (@cspan) September 25, 2020

you are like a scampicane, there's calm in your fries (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 25 September 2020 15:58 (three years ago) link

He isn’t stupid so wtf is he thinking https://t.co/uyEcGDZRIy

— Doug Henwood (@DougHenwood) September 25, 2020

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Friday, 25 September 2020 20:13 (three years ago) link

I'm very sorry but if the pushup video is real it's extremely funny

get a mop and a bucket for this Well Argued Prose (Simon H.), Friday, 25 September 2020 20:17 (three years ago) link

CNN reporting that it's Barrett:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/25/politics/donald-trump-amy-coney-barrett-supreme-court/index.html

jaymc, Friday, 25 September 2020 20:27 (three years ago) link

South Bend is really knocking it out of the park this year.

get a mop and a bucket for this Well Argued Prose (Simon H.), Friday, 25 September 2020 20:34 (three years ago) link

Whoever Trump was going to pick was going to be a horror story, so I expect soon to be reading about the many horrors of Ms. Barrett, which no doubt will be many and hair-raising. Lindsey Graham will love her.

the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Friday, 25 September 2020 20:37 (three years ago) link

democrats will have grave concerns and strongly worded appeals to decency

Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Friday, 25 September 2020 20:39 (three years ago) link

democratic fundraising will go through the roof, blood will boil, the election will be won (eventually) by democrats. and at the end, it'll be a 6-3 conservative court for the forseeable future, and possible a 5-4 majority for another 20-30 years, unless the golden boy or gorsuch unexpectedly croak, which would be a tragedy

Karl Malone, Friday, 25 September 2020 21:53 (three years ago) link

those are impressive lifespans you're projecting for thomas and alito imo

Doctor Casino, Friday, 25 September 2020 22:39 (three years ago) link

They get magic life drugs injected in their butts

LaRusso Auto (Neanderthal), Friday, 25 September 2020 23:10 (three years ago) link

haha, well it also builds in known unknowns, like republicans preserving a seat in a future GOP presidency. let's role play it

2020 (the present. you are in hell)
barrett is confirmed before election. fuck you liberals
6-3 conservative majority

roberts is 65
thomas is 72
alito is 70
gorsuch is 53
the golden boy is 55
barrett is 48

breyer is 82
sotomayor is 66
kagan is 60

2021 (biden is elected. you are in tartarus)
biden wins. breyer tags out for a younger replacement. i will create SC justice names using this thread Fighting Baseball for Super Famicom: A League of Fake Americans POLL
6-3 conservative majority

roberts is 66
thomas is 73
alito is 71
gorsuch is 54
the golden boy is 56
barrett is 49

sotomayor is 67
kagan is 61
willie dustice is 50

EVENT
2024 election. The democrat has a 70% chance of victory (same as clinton v trump), due to me running this simulation. RNG: no joke, i rolled a random number from 1 to 10, with 1-7 being democratic victory and 8-10 being republican, and i rolled an 8. REPUBLICANS WIN

2025 (tom cotton is the president of the united states. you have killed 2 people now and haven't talked in weeks.)
tom cotton casts Executive Righteousness on thomas, 77 years old, who is replaced by Sleve McDichael
6-3 conservative majority

roberts is 70
alito is 75
the golden boy is 60
barrett is 53
sleve mcdichael is 50

sotomayor is 71
kagan is 65
gorsuch is 58
willie dustice is 54

EVENT
World War III, totally started by tom cotton. 2028 election. The democrat has a 80% chance of victory, due to me running this simulation. RNG: 3, democratic victory

2029 (first influencers on mars)
AOC is the president of the united states of america, fuck yeah. sotomayor, the second oldest justice at 75, taps out. bobsun dugnutt is the new junior united states supreme court justice.
6-3 conservative majority

roberts is 74
alito is 79
gorsuch is 62
the golden boy is 64
barrett is 57
sleve mcdichael is 54

kagan is 69
willie dustice is 58
bobsun dognutt is 50

EVENT
in 2031, the golden boy brett kavanaugh, just 66 years old, FUCKING DIES OUT OF NOWHERE and it's REALLY EMBARRASSING FOR HIM

2031 (VR sex surpasses videogames in revenue generation)
brett kavanaugh fucking dies out of nowhere, best thing that's happened in a generation. president AOC appoints a justice so left-leaning that she's impeached by sergeant ivanka trump, leader of the paramilitary republican subcommittee known as Gold Team. Onson Sweemey, the first justice with a normal name in 11 years, takes the golden boy's spot and shifts the balance toward a near-balance.

5-4 conservative majority

roberts is 76
alito is 81
gorsuch is 64
barrett is 59
sleve mcdichael is 56

kagan is 71
willie dustice is 60
bobsun dognutt is 52
onson sweemey is 50

EVENT
2032 Election. there's no more random numbers, it's just me making it up. the democrats win again. AOC is on the wheaties box.

then, near the end of her second term, the unspeakable happens. Samuel Alito, at the age of 85, just fucking dies out of nowhere.
2035
some observers expect the krang-like brain of mitch mcconnell to somehow delay a democratic confirmation in his spot, but AOC casts total victory and again appoints an extremely-left greatest of time justice named Todd Bonzalez.
5-4 liberal majority

roberts is 80
gorsuch is 68
barrett is 63
sleve mcdichael is 60

kagan is 75
willie dustice is 64
bobsun dognutt is 56
onson sweemey is 54
todd bonzalez is 50

EVENT
2036 Election. it's been 8 years of supreme relaxation and greatness. even gum is genuinely _better_. everything's great. something has to change, so somehow it's time for PRESIDENT CHARLIE KIRK

2037
under PRESIDENT CHARLIE KIRK, roberts immediately resigns. the new chief justice of the united states is SCOTT DOURQUE, 50 years old, catholic conservative
5-4 liberal majority

chief justice scott dourque, 50
gorsuch is 70
barrett is 65
sleve mcdichael is 62

kagan is 77
willie dustice is 66
bobsun dognutt is 58
onson sweemey is 56
todd bonzalez is 52

Karl Malone, Friday, 25 September 2020 23:28 (three years ago) link

I actually think that’s not a terrible way of gaming things out. The arc of the moral universe is long. We fight the fights that we have today, and we train our young folks. Good post KM.

sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Friday, 25 September 2020 23:32 (three years ago) link

DOGNUTT

LaRusso Auto (Neanderthal), Friday, 25 September 2020 23:32 (three years ago) link

in 2031, the golden boy brett kavanaugh, just 66 years old, FUCKING DIES OUT OF NOWHERE and it's REALLY EMBARRASSING FOR HIM

whoa how did he die?!

superdeep borehole (harbl), Friday, 25 September 2020 23:44 (three years ago) link

Shot by one of Dick Cheney's grandkids

LaRusso Auto (Neanderthal), Friday, 25 September 2020 23:49 (three years ago) link

Karl, that was perfect (ly horrifying).

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 25 September 2020 23:50 (three years ago) link

Shot by one of Dick Cheney's grandkids

― LaRusso Auto (Neanderthal), Friday, September 25, 2020 6:49 PM (four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

At a UB40 reunion concert

jaymc, Friday, 25 September 2020 23:55 (three years ago) link

in 2031, the golden boy brett kavanaugh, just 66 years old, FUCKING DIES OUT OF NOWHERE and it's REALLY EMBARRASSING FOR HIM

whoa how did he die?!

he dies of doing a kegstand in the kitchen of amy klobuchar's wake

Karl Malone, Friday, 25 September 2020 23:57 (three years ago) link

karl this is some excellent scenario running and first rate use of the Fighting Baseball thread and i applaud it

i have a rejoinder percolating but it may take a while to get around to crunching the hard numbers so i just wanted to say that for now

Doctor Casino, Saturday, 26 September 2020 00:00 (three years ago) link

_in 2031, the golden boy brett kavanaugh, just 66 years old, FUCKING DIES OUT OF NOWHERE and it's REALLY EMBARRASSING FOR HIM_

whoa how did he die?!


Under a pile of thousands of baseball tickets.

Boring, Maryland, Saturday, 26 September 2020 00:04 (three years ago) link

xp thanks doctor c! your questioning of that was really valid, and i don't think my answer is any sort of proof of anything. i got lazy and didn't project it out to 2045 (my original goal), but even though i ended with a slim 5-4 liberal majority by 2037, i don't think it takes much to keep it at a 5-4 conservative majority either. then again, maybe the republicans will truly never win again (lol) and it will be 6-3 liberal by 2040, who knows

Karl Malone, Saturday, 26 September 2020 00:08 (three years ago) link

So we get 40 some years of this...from an article Barrett co-wrote as quoted by SCOTUS blog

The article also noted that, when the late Justice William Brennan was asked about potential conflict between his Catholic faith and his duties as a justice, he responded that he would be governed by “the oath I took to support the Constitution and laws of the United States”; Barrett and Garvey observed that they did not “defend this position as the proper response for a Catholic judge to take with respect to abortion or the death penalty.”

https://www.scotusblog.com/2018/07/potential-nominee-profile-amy-coney-barrett/

curmudgeon, Saturday, 26 September 2020 00:53 (three years ago) link

Can't wait for her book, "Jesus is the Speaker of MY House"

LaRusso Auto (Neanderthal), Saturday, 26 September 2020 00:59 (three years ago) link

@ Karl - okay! you've already gotten there, but yeah basically my rejoinder would be that you didn't actually end up showing "a 6-3 conservative court for the forseeable future, and possible a 5-4 majority for another 20-30 years." but the scenario was worth it anyway. a quibble: you don't game out the Senate, which i respect because that would be even more absurd fanfic work, but it's worth allowing at least dice-roll possibilities that the Dems control the Senate during your Republican admins, AND that they stand firm against prematurely ghoulish ideologues like Sleve McDichael, whose pasty-faced appearance and hot-mic comments during the nominations process turn the public against him. i would not put money on that chance myself, but it's at least possible.

also though, a fair bit hinges on that first d10 roll and some choices about the EVENTS - suppose Biden rolls a 6 in 2024, and is re-elected to a foggy but popular second term, his "Reagan in the late 80s" zone, AND ALSO that during that term, Thomas has a health scare and decides to retire. i don't know that the odds are so heavily stacked against something like that.

obviously in that event, Biden's replacement pick would be the mushy, not-all-that liberal Rey McSriff (48), a former bank-industry lobbyist, seen as a move back in the direction of racial and gender diversity on the court who will at least be a reliable liberal vote in civil-rights and abortion cases.

so in january 2029, we've got:

roberts is 74
alito is 79
gorsuch is 62
the golden boy is 64
barrett is 57

kagan is 69
willie dustice is 58
bobsun dognutt is 50
rey mcsriff is 50

eight years of the biden administration have left many festering wounds unaddressed, but thankfully the republican "gold team" have been mostly braying in the margins without control of either congress or the executive to formally empower them. on the other hand, in the absence of the Cotton presidency, World War III has not happened, but let's say AOC wins in 2028 anyway. why not?!

thus, following B.K.'s horrible death in 2031, AOC's super left-wing appointee is able to remain in office. you didn't name them but it's pretty obvious you had Shown Furcotte in mind. maybe kagan is worried enough about the next election, and spooked by what is by then a Sunday-morning-show conventional wisdom about "the Tragedy of Ginsburg," that she retires too. by this point AOC is not fucking around at all and appoints millennial twitter SJW Raul Chamgerlain, 44. if AOC goes on to win a second term and also grabs the Alito seat, then in 2035 we have:

roberts is 80
gorsuch is 68
barrett is 63

raul chamgerlain is 49
willie dustice is 64
bobsun dognutt is 56
rey mcscriff is 56
shown furcotte is 53
todd bonzalez is 50

... and our biggest problem is that sometimes McSriff aligns with the conservatives to dissent in 5-4 corporate-law decisions, and we see a lot of online left grousing about how Biden wasted a pick on her.

now yes, i admit........... this depends on the democrats winning four straight national elections. IMPOSSIBLE you say? or merely... improbable???! depends how much faith you put in changing demographics etc. but if none of the Dem-appointed justices die in office, they can also afford to lose one of those elections! because it might be that the Republicans can only replace Thomas or Alito with McDichael or Dorque, giving them an edge in age but not a leg up in the balance of the court.

Doctor Casino, Saturday, 26 September 2020 15:08 (three years ago) link

todd bonzalez makes history as the first male latino justice

superdeep borehole (harbl), Saturday, 26 September 2020 15:15 (three years ago) link

is there a relevant quote linking Barrett's sect to The Handmaid's Tale?

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 26 September 2020 15:40 (three years ago) link

there must be. ominous lord, truth is stranger than fiction

Karl Malone, Saturday, 26 September 2020 15:48 (three years ago) link

xp

doc casino, first of all, obviously i had Shown Furcotte in mind. but secondly, the rest of your scenario seems plausible!

obviously gaming it out like that is a goof, but i did actually learn a few things. or maybe not. i feel like just laying out their ages, combined with the fact that they have lifetime appointments, explains 99% of the game:


christmas near-future:

roberts is 65
thomas is 72
alito is 70
gorsuch is 53
the golden boy is 55
barrett is 48

breyer is 82
sotomayor is 66
kagan is 60

that there is a stacked deck, combined with republican weakness (in terms of what we might expect, possibly overoptimistically, from their presidential chances for the next few decades after elevating a white supremacist fascist to the presidency and then ripping the country to shreds in an attempt to keep him there). even with a couple 2-term democratic administrations in a row, through 2036, there is still a decent chance that at least 5 or even all 6 of the conservative majority stays right where they are, their ass-molds worn deep

Karl Malone, Saturday, 26 September 2020 16:00 (three years ago) link

in unrelated news, just before i fell asleep face down on the couch last night, i ran across a disturbing headline about increasing the maximum human lifespans beyond its current soft limit of 125. apparently the consensus is that it will soon (10 years?) be possible to extend human lifespans using genetic modifiers, physical devices, and secret codes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_extension jfc

Karl Malone, Saturday, 26 September 2020 16:07 (three years ago) link

agreed, it's a useful exercise to grasp exactly how much the age advantage of the GWB and DJT appointees presses on into the future. but also, focusing too much on that just takes us into a zone of gloom, so unless it's directly useful for motivating present-day action and the long-term fight, i think it's also useful to bear in mind all the ways that the scenario could suddenly break down. nobody saw Scalia's death coming, for example, even though he was 79. that ended up working out horribly for the cause of justice and freedom, but it could have gone differently. so long as our rights are subject to these bizarre matters of fate and circumstance, we may as well remind ourselves that there are ways the probabilistic parts could break our way.

and the stacked deck there does look better the moment Biden can replace Breyer, which i think we all do need to be praying for (or whatever equivalent practice).

and... all these scenarios also presume a successful barrett confirmation. tbh, i'm pretty doom-and-gloom about that, seems like there's no reason to think it won't happen. but it's still probably not good for my head to already accept her as a solid number until 2049 or w/e. like if i'm driving myself crazy with all the bad things that have already happened, and the ones that could probably happen, and the ones that are near-certainties, that's a lot to do to my head, if i'm not also considering the good equivalents of all of those things.

Doctor Casino, Saturday, 26 September 2020 16:27 (three years ago) link

there's also some non-zero chance that, in the event that a Democrat wins the presidential race four times in a row and this permanent 5-4 Court keeps shutting down every exciting thing the people are turning out to vote for, then a mandate for court-packing develops much much more quickly than we might expect right now.

Doctor Casino, Saturday, 26 September 2020 16:30 (three years ago) link

so long as our rights are subject to these bizarre matters of fate and circumstance, we may as well remind ourselves that there are ways the probabilistic parts could break our way.

otm

i know that's not a convincing or comforting thought for everyone, but to me that really is what gives me hope

Karl Malone, Saturday, 26 September 2020 16:44 (three years ago) link

NEW: Senate Democrats say they will press President Trump’s SCOTUS nominee to commit to recuse herself if the justices hear a case that could impact the outcome of the fall elections, @mkraju reports.

— Ana Cabrera (@AnaCabrera) September 25, 2020

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 26 September 2020 16:44 (three years ago) link

That seems a little dumb

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Saturday, 26 September 2020 16:46 (three years ago) link

I mean it makes sense but they'd still have a 5-3 advantage anyway

LaRusso Auto (Neanderthal), Saturday, 26 September 2020 16:49 (three years ago) link

"Will you commit to not doing the exact thing you were hired for" is a dumb question

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Saturday, 26 September 2020 16:52 (three years ago) link

and... all these scenarios also presume a successful barrett confirmation. tbh, i'm pretty doom-and-gloom about that, seems like there's no reason to think it won't happen

i will continue to return to my dumb "we simulate the future and then experience it in real time, somehow diminished, as something that was already familiar" theory, until someone or something convinces me that it's not accurate. in that line of thinking, you can already see the barrett confirmation and how it happens. i already saw a headline, last night, talking about how barrett was confirmed in October. i looked at the calendar and it was september 25th, then re-read the headline and it still said that she was confirmed in October, past tense. i can't remember where i saw it, and i had a socially distanced hangout with a friend last night and got way too drunk. but still, it was there all the same.

that was just a drunken horror, but i woke up today and it's still there. the republicans have the votes. 2 have been allowed to deviate (murkowski and collins), which just so happens to allow exactly enough remaining republicans to unilaterally install barrett. what a coincidence. this outcome has already been focus-grouped on a national scale - it turns out that most republicans think it's a great idea, most democrats think it's a bad idea, and the majority of "independents" think it's a bad idea. it sounds like most ideas these days. so they'll do it, because they can.

we're currently simulating the outraged response, right now. at least, i am. and then, when it happens, it won't be the first time.

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^i think all of that is a very bad way to go about thinking about life, believe it or not. but that's what i see happening over and over, lately.

Karl Malone, Saturday, 26 September 2020 16:55 (three years ago) link

xpost they're not asking her to not be a justice, they're saying 'Hey, you were literally just nominated by one of the President candidates in this election 5 minutes before the election, maybe it's a conflict of interest for you ruling on a case challenging his results".

LaRusso Auto (Neanderthal), Saturday, 26 September 2020 16:56 (three years ago) link

But this is the primary reason they are in such a rush. If she can't guarantee to hand over the election, it's pointless for Trump. Surely he already told her she needs to deliver that vote, or there would be a different pick.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Saturday, 26 September 2020 16:59 (three years ago) link

lol of course it's not going to actually happen but would you rather the Democrats not try it first so that they can frame it as "Justice Coney Barrett refused to recuse, she and Trump win, while Americans lose!"

LaRusso Auto (Neanderthal), Saturday, 26 September 2020 17:03 (three years ago) link

I mean, compared to other things they should be trying, this is VERY low on my list of importance and I wouldn't want it to take the place of promising to pack the fuck out of courts, but we're kinda fucked unless someone has a McCain surprise during the vote.

LaRusso Auto (Neanderthal), Saturday, 26 September 2020 17:04 (three years ago) link

@ Moodles - isn't the primary reason McConnell & co. are in such a rush that Trump has a good chance of not being President in 3.5 months? and they want to grab another Supreme Court seat for all the reasons you would expect them to want that? potentially covering his ass in a stolen election would just be the cherry on top.

Doctor Casino, Saturday, 26 September 2020 17:11 (three years ago) link

Trump and McConnell have different motivations, but this is Trump's pick, not McConnell's

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Saturday, 26 September 2020 17:28 (three years ago) link

technically, but which one of the two is able to exert the most control over 51 republican votes?

Karl Malone, Saturday, 26 September 2020 17:29 (three years ago) link

(amy barrett, but pure coincidence, happened to be exactly who mcconnell was pushing for)

Karl Malone, Saturday, 26 September 2020 17:30 (three years ago) link

a mandatory ethics reform bill, which Painter suggests should include an inspector general for the court

This is broadly a good idea. Congress could certainly pass a bill to impose a mandatory code of ethics on the supreme court justices and fund an inspector general to oversee compliance. If it ever came about, the existence of such a code would be helpful, in that it would provide a neutral yardstick by which to determine a justice's fitness to serve and somewhat de-politicize the act of making that determination.

But the separation of powers ensures that the only mechanism for enforcement of that mandatory code of ethics would still be impeachment and in real terms a successful impeachment and removal would be no easier to accomplish than under present conditions. Do I have to cite Trump's two impeachments, or McConnell's stonewalling Garland while ramming through Coney Barrett to prove this point?

In Trump's case the Senate's vote to acquit can be indirectly redressed by Trump's term ending and the electorate voting to reject rather than reinstate him. In Alito's case, there ain't no redress. He's in until he resigns, dies, or is impeached.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Tuesday, 21 May 2024 19:23 (one week ago) link

If Trump wins, it’s because of deliberate decisions by those in power to refuse to act because of “norms” or “comity” or whatever.

Are you addicted to struggling with your horse? (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 21 May 2024 19:33 (one week ago) link

Last summer, two years after an upside-down American flag was flown outside the Virginia home of Justice Samuel A. Alito Jr., another provocative symbol was displayed at his vacation house in New Jersey, according to interviews and photographs.

This time, it was the “Appeal to Heaven” flag, which, like the inverted U.S. flag, was carried by rioters at the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021. Also known as the Pine Tree flag, it dates back to the Revolutionary War, but largely fell into obscurity until recent years and is now a symbol of support for former President Donald J. Trump, for a religious strand of the “Stop the Steal” campaign and for a push to remake American government in Christian terms.

A So-Called Pulitzer price winner (President Keyes), Thursday, 23 May 2024 00:25 (six days ago) link

ugh, a Christian Nationalist flag

Dan S, Thursday, 23 May 2024 00:44 (six days ago) link

Doesn't he realize that a plurality of his fellow insurrectionists don't think Catholics are Christians? Does he think he'll survive the cull if they get the America they want?

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Thursday, 23 May 2024 00:46 (six days ago) link

Ellie Mystal , Justice correspondent for the Nation says that Dem Senator Durbin will soon be explaining why his own wife put up a white flag of surrender over their house

curmudgeon, Thursday, 23 May 2024 02:16 (six days ago) link

Chris Geidner in his Substack is hoping Justice Roberts will pressure Alito to recuse from J6 and Immunity decisions.

curmudgeon, Thursday, 23 May 2024 04:07 (six days ago) link

In 6-3 decision, written by Alito, Supreme Court upholds South Carolina's congressional map, reversing a lower court decision that struck down the map for racial gerrymandering . Conservative justices raise the bar to prove racial gerrymandering claims

curmudgeon, Thursday, 23 May 2024 14:34 (six days ago) link

not sure you want Alito writing these opinions right now

A So-Called Pulitzer price winner (President Keyes), Thursday, 23 May 2024 14:36 (six days ago) link

so Slobbo's cool with overturning Brown

https://x.com/mjs_DC/status/1793650522916102283

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 23 May 2024 14:41 (six days ago) link

Thomas still under the delusion that he will ever be anything but a useful racial slur to the gaggle of racist neanderthals who aid and abet this kind of fascism

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Thursday, 23 May 2024 14:47 (six days ago) link

Thomas still under the delusion that he will ever be anything but a useful racial slur to the gaggle of racist neanderthals who aid and abet this kind of fascism

If you read Corey Robin's book on him, Thomas is under no delusions at all. He's a black nationalist who will take what he can get out of white people, but doesn't trust them at all.

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Thursday, 23 May 2024 15:14 (six days ago) link

he believes in the Second Amendment because after their experiences during Reconstruction he thought Black men need to arm themselves.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 23 May 2024 15:17 (six days ago) link

all that just makes his whole thing make LESS sense

well i imagine it makes him feel that he is the laughing at them tbh

well below the otm mendoza line (Hunt3r), Thursday, 23 May 2024 16:28 (six days ago) link

Robin's thesis may be descriptive of young Clarence Thomas but for the past thirty years or so his decisions seem much more based on "Will this make rich people give me free stuff?"

A So-Called Pulitzer price winner (President Keyes), Thursday, 23 May 2024 16:32 (six days ago) link

He mentions that too.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 23 May 2024 16:35 (six days ago) link

He seems to rewrite US history based on how he perceives the criticism he has personally received . Plus by ignoring all the assistance he has gotten.

curmudgeon, Thursday, 23 May 2024 16:52 (six days ago) link

If you read Corey Robin's book on him, Thomas is under no delusions at all. He's a black nationalist who will take what he can get out of white people, but doesn't trust them at all.


Ah yes, the self-professed Black Nationalist married to a White Queen who is 100% down with Neo-Nazis and other assorted fascists. So what if he knows he’s being used, his ideology is still pretty incoherent if he wants to advance the cause of Black people.

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Friday, 24 May 2024 02:01 (five days ago) link

He has no interest in Black people. We're all alone, to quote Boz Scaggs, except when billionaires pay for your trailer.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 24 May 2024 02:14 (five days ago) link

The Alitos had a big ol’ freak session in their driveway in front of a Washington Post reporter on the day of Biden’s inauguration, and the paper inscrutably decided not to run it

In 2021 the Washington Post's then Supreme Court reporter was there but didn't run a story because he accepted Mrs Alito's take that this was just about her and a dispute with neighbors! Oy veh, that's terrible. So now the Washington Post tells on themselves about it in 2024.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/05/25/alito-flag-martha-ann-washington-post/

curmudgeon, Saturday, 25 May 2024 16:36 (four days ago) link

Democracy dies in "The Post decided not to report on the episode at the time because..."

Mrs. Ippei (Steve Shasta), Saturday, 25 May 2024 16:41 (four days ago) link

Chris Geidner in his Substack is hoping Justice Roberts will pressure Alito to recuse from J6 and Immunity decisions.

Hope in one hand . . .

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Saturday, 25 May 2024 16:44 (four days ago) link

Gift link in tweet

NEW

The Washington Post found out about the inverted flag flying over Justice Alito’s home back in 2021.

A WaPo reporter went to the Alito residence on Inauguration Day and had a tense encounter with Justice Alito and his wife Martha-Ann.

The Post says it didn’t report on… pic.twitter.com/Pf2z3lV602

— Yashar Ali 🐘 (@yashar) May 25, 2024

A So-Called Pulitzer price winner (President Keyes), Saturday, 25 May 2024 17:07 (four days ago) link

I dunno I feel a Supreme Court justice and wife flipping out at neighbors should have been news.

Are you addicted to struggling with your horse? (Boring, Maryland), Saturday, 25 May 2024 17:23 (four days ago) link

I feel like people should maybe regularly drop in at the Alito abode.

Perhaps every night

Indefinitely

Iacocca Cola (Neanderthal), Monday, 27 May 2024 15:33 (two days ago) link

I love the scene from Alito’s confirmation hearing when his wife came down with white fragility:

The distraught wife of Supreme Court nominee Samuel Alito broke down in tears and fled his confirmation hearings yesterday after Sen. Ted Kennedy led Democrats in a furious bid to tar her husband as a bigot.

Martha-Ann Bomgardner was overcome with emotion after Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham (S.C.) lambasted Kennedy for trying to smear the nominee as “a closet bigot.”

“I am sorry that you have had to go through this,” Graham said.

As she sat right behind her husband, Bomgardner’s lips trembled and she wiped away tears. Her sister-in-law Rosemary – herself a top lawyer – put a reassuring arm around her, but Bomgardner hastily fled the room.

The hearing exploded in anger when Kennedy tried to link Alito to a racist and anti-feminist article written by a member of a group to which he belonged over 30 years ago, the Concerned Alumni of Princeton (CAP).

His voicing rising, Kennedy demanded to know if Alito shared the belief that blacks and Latinos “just don’t seem to know their place.”

And the kicker:

In another flap, Biden showed up in a white baseball cap blaring “PRINCETON” to question Alito about CAP. “I want to, kind of, set the record straight on Princeton,” said Biden. A day earlier, he’d claimed “I didn’t even like Princeton,” only to have old news reports show he’d once said he wanted all his kids to go there.

A So-Called Pulitzer price winner (President Keyes), Monday, 27 May 2024 16:26 (two days ago) link

More:

The police in Fairfax County, Va., received an unusual phone call on Feb. 15, 2021. A young couple claimed they were being harassed by the wife of a Supreme Court justice.

“Somebody in a position of authority needs to talk to her and make her stop,” said the 36-year-old man making the complaint, according to a recording of the call reviewed by The New York Times. The officer on the line responded that there was little the police could do: Yelling was not a crime.

The couple placed the call after a series of encounters with Martha-Ann Alito, wife of Justice Samuel A. Alito Jr., that had gone from uneasy to ugly. That day, Emily Baden, whose boyfriend (now husband) contacted the police, had traded accusations with Mrs. Alito, who lived down the street. In a recent interview, Ms. Baden admitted to calling her a lewd epithet.

The clash between the wife of a conservative Supreme Court justice and the couple, who were in their 30s, liberal and proud of it, played out over months on a bucolic block in Alexandria. It was the kind of shouting match among private citizens, at the height of tensions over the 2020 election, that might have happened in any mixed political community in America. But three years later, that neighborhood spat — which both sides said began over an anti-Trump sign — has taken on far greater proportions.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 29 May 2024 00:10 (eighteen hours ago) link

Mrs. Alito ran toward their car and yelled something they did not understand. The couple continued driving, they said, and as they passed the Alito home again to exit the cul-de-sac, Mrs. Alito appeared to spit toward the vehicle.

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 29 May 2024 02:28 (sixteen hours ago) link

Ms. Baden admitted to calling her a lewd epithet.

Hmmmm. I'm betting it was spelled C-U-N-T.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Wednesday, 29 May 2024 02:41 (fifteen hours ago) link

See You First Monday

A So-Called Pulitzer price winner (President Keyes), Wednesday, 29 May 2024 02:44 (fifteen hours ago) link

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/05/24/biden-alito-controversy-silent-00159968

Biden has publicly warned that Republicans are undermining democratic norms and threatening its institutions. But he is reluctant to extend that argument to the judicial branch, aides say, fearful it could be cast as politically motivated and undermine his broader effort to portray himself as a champion for strengthening democratic institutions. They believe it’s crucial to maintain a clear contrast with Donald Trump, who has readily attacked an independent judiciary for political gain.

“The central pushback should come from the legislative branch, and not the executive branch,” said Anthony Coley, a former senior official in the Biden Justice Department, arguing that Congress has wide-ranging investigatory authority. “That’s the right place where we should be seeing aggressive oversight, and right now they are not meeting the moment.”

On the Hill, however, Senate Judiciary Chair Dick Durbin has resisted calls to hold a hearing into the matter. “I don’t think that’s going to achieve anything,” the Illinois Democrat told POLITICO of calling for Alito to appear, indicating a preference instead for the chamber to consider ethics legislation for the Supreme Court that has already passed his committee. Durbin on Friday sought a meeting with Chief Justice John Roberts to discuss the matter.

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 29 May 2024 03:40 (fourteen hours ago) link

yeah if theres one thing we all know Joe Biden for it's strengthening democratic institutions. like who am I Hank Hill

frogbs, Wednesday, 29 May 2024 03:47 (fourteen hours ago) link

And Durbin who never followed through on subpoenaing Leo from the Federalist Society, or Thomas' billionaire buddy Crow, and who was already turned down once by Chief Justice Roberts for a committee hearing , is going to try for a meeting with Roberts....

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 29 May 2024 05:07 (thirteen hours ago) link

Biden, like Obama, is a fucking coward who is always obsessed with optics and being the nice guy. That shit doesn’t work today

beamish13, Wednesday, 29 May 2024 05:40 (twelve hours ago) link

Thomas and Alito should be out of a job by this point, how egregious does this shit need to be

Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 29 May 2024 09:59 (eight hours ago) link

The Wall Street Journal board editorial is fine with what he's doing:

We’ve discussed those flag cases in previous editorials as irrelevant to the Justice’s views on cases before the Court. But that didn’t stop the Democrats from asserting that the flags create “reasonable doubt as to his impartiality in certain proceedings, thereby requiring his disqualification” from cases involving Donald Trump.

I was paywalled from more of this

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 29 May 2024 13:33 (four hours ago) link

Supreme Court Justice Amy Coney Barrett’s husband is representing Fox Corporation — Fox News’ parent company — in a defamation lawsuit, according to court records reviewed by Rolling Stone.

new 2024 paywalled story

Coney Barrett tries to hide from the public whom her lawyer husband represents

2022 article - https://www.politico.com/news/2022/09/29/justices-spouses-conflict-of-interest-disclosures-00059549

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 29 May 2024 13:43 (four hours ago) link

"A flag is simply a rectangle of cloth or fabric with a design on it - and we fail to see how a piece of fabric can pose a threat to the independence of the judiciary"

Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 29 May 2024 15:33 (two hours ago) link

Try burning it and see what happens

a based robot like Bender (stevie), Wednesday, 29 May 2024 15:50 (two hours ago) link

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/05/29/supreme-court-alito-recuse-flag-jan-6/

Justice Samuel A. Alito, Jr. announced Wednesday that he will not recuse himself from Jan. 6-related cases at the Supreme Court after Democratic lawmakers questioned whether he could be impartial following reports that an upside-down flag flew at his home in the weeks after the attack on the U.S. Capitol in 2021.

In a letter to Democratic leaders in the House and Senate, Alito said that flag and a second, religious-themed flag were raised by his wife, without his knowledge, and the incidents do not meet the conditions for recusal outlined in the Supreme Court’s code of conduct.

Alito disclosed for the first time that he was not aware of the upside-down flag until it was called to his attention and that his wife initially resisted taking it down.

“As soon as I saw it, I asked my wife to take it down, but for several days, she refused,” Alito wrote in the letter to Senators Sheldon Whitehouse (D-R.I.) and Dick Durbin (D-Ill.).

Alito said in the letter that the second flag was also raised by his wife, Martha-Ann Alito.

“My wife is fond of flying flags. I am not,” he wrote.

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 29 May 2024 18:00 (thirty-one minutes ago) link

Cucked by his wife in a flag beef

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 29 May 2024 18:02 (twenty-eight minutes ago) link

His full letter is linked in the article. He doesn't address the argument of many legal ethics scholars that his wife's free speech has to take a back seat when it impedes the appearance of impartiality for him

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 29 May 2024 18:06 (twenty-five minutes ago) link

“My wife is fond of flying flags. I am not,” he wrote.

I read this and could see him in my imagination, making his customary frowning "I am filled with disgust" face.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Wednesday, 29 May 2024 18:25 (five minutes ago) link


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