Posts you had second thought about and decided not to post on the "Posts you had second thought about and decided not to post - put them here" thread - put them here

I wasn't! I get what you're saying by the way about a lot of small business owners being POC, it's a good point, in the UK traditionally a lot of family run shops in particular.

ok i'll bite. i think that the bootstraps narrative / ideology that america upholds creates this situation where immigrants to america are often more american in ideology / identity than americans themselves. that's probably way too big of a statement. anyway my extremely limited experience with immigrants is that they tend to be driven in that bootstraps-y way. i mean just to get here basically demands that they be. which isn't incompatible with small business owner mentalities. i just don't trust that kind of personality / thinking. but i also don't think it's racist not to.

Everyone in the Guardian thread is busy discussing the horrible Tory restaurant owner who is basically your stereotype of the “nation of shopkeepers” writ large. Yeats wrote about shopkeepers fumbling in their greasy tills by candlelight in Ireland, where I’m from, as illustrative of a particular mentality (conservative, mean, unconcerned with the wider world) that still exists at home, and Marx wrote about the petit bourgeois and how their precarious status led to this kind of behaviour...but yes, people must have meant poc businesses.

That post of mine in full, please feel free to dissect it line by line with the same diligence given to *checks notes* ...wolf erotica?

lol I come from a long line of small business owners and I’m dying at the thought of stanning for them as a class?! Like I’ve worked for other small businesses and they absolutely do play the “sorry we can’t pay you more” tune while squeezing you for everything you’re worth...there’s no noble way to do wage theft.

there is the hate towards the budding Charlie Mullins stereotype of the small business owner in the UK. White tradesmen with tribal tattoos, not very bright but have strong opinions on immigration and the over-generous welfare state and think Thatcherism was great despite knowing nothing about Thatcherism. Which is a distinctly different sort of hate from the crypto-fash version sund4r is posting about.

Well insofar as they picked (with all the obvious caveats that word implies) the US over other countries, they were drawn to its purported values in the first place, whereas for most Americans it's a 'born, never asked'-type scenario. Ime Romanians who move to the US (and, frankly, Canada) are generally more entrepreneurial and goal-oriented than Romanians who emigrate to Western Europe. See also: French expats in English-speaking countries who loathe 'socialist' and 'bad-for-business' France with a passion.

2xp to map

i am pretty sure even recent yearly stats show US small business owners are still way majority white/male. Don't know about tribal tattoos.

it's interesting mentioning yeats in light of his own politics possibly affirming sund4r's contention that anti-business sentiment might be linked to feelings of bigotry

https://i.imgur.com/VDmBw2i.png

i'm agnostic on the question fwiw but it did strike me as an interesting wrinkle

Whereas, of course, the weirdly personal and repetitive nature of attacks on silby’s posts (which mine was a reply to) is completely above board and passes without comment.

it's interesting mentioning yeats in light of his own politics possibly affirming sund4r's contention that anti-business sentiment might be linked to feelings of bigotry

https://i.imgur.com/VDmBw2i.png

― Mordy, Thursday, July 9, 2020 2:04 PM (twelve minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

very flimsy.

xp - uh, gyac, your post is verging on concern trolling tbh -- i have interacted with silby on numerous threads outside of that one -- they have a shtick and a very open agenda/manifesto re politics. They know they do. Ogmor alluded to it, though disagreed with my response to it. It's a game. It's a persona. It would be a very different dynamic if I had posted personal criticism in response to a post that was personal in nature -- like someone sharing their actual experiences and being "vulnerable".

did you miss the day where silby was banned for repeatedly hurling abuse at Sanpaku in the outbreak thread every time he posted? granted....I understand it in that Sanpaku brings a lot of it on himself with the constant sharing of dubious information in the outbreak thread, so it's not like I'm a Sanpaku stan, but...silby isn't someone that's just collecting friendly fire. i don't dislike silby but you keep refusing to accept that there is a prior history that plays some of the beefing here that you just weren't privy to, instead suggesting it just doesn't exist and sarahell is just randomly picking on them.

for example, you and map and LL and a handful of others expressed your criticism of "small business owners" by talking about actual experiences you had, and mh brought up actual issues that are problematic ... I see those types of responses as good faith discussion, and I try not to get nasty in disagreeing with posters who are discussing things honestly and respectfully in good faith. silby wasn't doing that. if you can't see that difference or if that doesn't make a difference to you in how you respond to posters: like, it's a matter of whether someone is on your side or not vs. how they present themselves/their argument ... then idk ... we just don't ilx the same way.

i mean, at one point a few years ago a poster's significant other "forced" him to post that i was a nasty bitch because I made memes about his florid language and pastoral horse paintings ... so ... I have had plenty of shit hurled at me on this board over the years, and it takes a lot more to hurt me, than what you are accusing me of atm.

this argument is metastasizing i see

don't look at me!

his florid language and pastoral horse paintings

lol I have no idea who this is but it sounds awesome.

was thinking the same thing

It isn't silby?

You'd think that people would have had enough of silby love songs

of course it's not silby

I love the idea of pastoral horse paintings though

tee hee @ ymp

I look around me and I steeeeen
it isn't hoos

Pippa's Hoarse

for the record

I was going to moderate and nuance my post, then I reread the other thread and fuck it.

sexyhorsepics -- moderate and nuanced

okay that's just, like, wow, apparently we really hate normal people here

i know i do

No such thing as a normal person iirc.

are we talking about burt stanton here or what

i don't know who "burt stanton" is but he sounds like he could possibly be a normal person

very not normal

I actually have clotheslines running throughout my apartment where I like to hang my dirty underwear, and at night I get stoned, turn up some Einsturzende Neubauten, turn off the lights, and it's like I'm dancing under a sky of shit

― burt_stanton, Friday, January 23, 2009 5:12 PM bookmarkflaglink

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so tired of your bullshit tbh

I apologise for making the world round :(

how're some of you as old as you are without knowing a dangerous person when you meet one

listen, i guess i fuckin appreciate the "sometimes people bring out dark things in others" discourse, that makes me feel great personally, that i've had something dark and ugly brought out of me by witnessing someone's fucked up posts over a long period of time, but the major message i've gotten from this board over the past few days is:

crypto transmisogyny: totally cool
saying crypto transmisogyny isn't cool: HOW DARE YOU, also that wasn't crypto transmisogyny, it was the complete opposite, despite the poster continuing to post in ways that really resemble crypto transmisogyny
saying that someone might hold views that resemble regressive truscum bullshit: totally fucked up, what the hell, someone's gonna say "fuck" up in here

i'm furious and sad

enjoy your message board

Brad, I love your posts and want to be positive / supportive

but also I have tried to work out what has happened on ilx today for about ten minutes and still can't work it, sorry

Here you go:

self-isolating LGBTs of SPRING 2020

don't want to speak for Brad, but I also suspect a previous incident from months ago involving the same poster (that resulted in a threadban for said poster) is important context in this scenario

Here you go:

self-isolating LGBTs of SPRING 2020

― pomenitul, Wednesday, July 29, 2020 9:39 PM (thirty minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Yes, I have read the last day's posts on that thread, and have gone from thinking I had some basic knowledge of trans stuff to realizing I know near to nothing, suppose that's some sort of growth, still not going to allow myself an opinion until I know a lot more, that might be a while.
I do realize I am now kind of making this about me, and it is in no way about me, so will shut up.

have gone from thinking I had some basic knowledge of trans stuff to realizing I know near to nothing, suppose that's some sort of growth

You and me both.

All I can say is a hell of a lot seems to have happened in Branwell's life since I last met them.

Shit Brad, I'm sorry to hear how this is impacting you. I get the need to take a break sometimes, if you do end up taking one I sincerely hope it ends up not being a permanent one. The quality of posting on the ILM side of things would certainly be less without your contributions.

(x-post)

Maybe there's a lot that's happened, but there seems to be some repetition karma in Bramwell's life regarding thread engagement and resulting fall-out,

how're some of you as old as you are without knowing a dangerous person when you meet one

― all cats are beautiful (silby), Wednesday, July 29, 2020 10:56 AM (three hours ago)

pal, I have been scared as fuck of cops since before you were born, probably ... tbh I do appreciate that you stand up for other marginalized posters here on ilx, and your utopian idealism is not the worst thing ever

oh thanks

Who's dangerous?

*ahem*

No-one on ILX is dangerous, don't be silly, silby.