Your next 2020 Democratic presidential primary thread: Now we're serious

Lads any chance you’d be as quick to jump on the people itt handwaving the Obama administration’s millions of deportations or are you just running on spite now?

At this point I feel like this thread should just be a game where I bait Bernouts into listing the sins of Democratic politicians going back further and further until we’re in Reconstruction

Joe Biden sucks ass and is a terrible person and politician. and that added to that he is now a fucking mess and can't string a sentence together? is actually less eloquent than trump at this stage? Jesus Christ.

What do you mean by "free space"?

That "good job building a coalition" means nothing here. 90% of the people ITT have already voted or can't vote, none were going to be swayed anyway, and there aren't enough to matter regardless.

you're all infuriating and you should log off

xxp there’s a lot of cool stuff itt being ignored in favour of bad faith shit like the above, but you know, civility

Joe Biden's record on matters that affect black Americans is atrocious. How and why people vote is not in my control, but it's actual fact that he's one of the architects of the drug war and mass incarceration, courting segregationists for his ends, the list is pretty long.

Oh, I'm sure African-Americans never pay any attention to that sort of stuff. Not woke enough. /sarcasm

all likelihood going to get his fucking ass handed to him in November anyway.

I've never thought he had what it takes to go up against Trump, but idk I mean there's an argument that all those people are actually right, and Biden actually is the strongest candidate? or the best placed to win at least. A lot of people are seeing something and if enough of them do it becomes self-fulfilling

hey dummies if we polled bernie vs biden on ilx biden would get maybe 2-3 votes if even and bernie would get everyone else so chill tf out

"hurr durr but biden is bad" literally everyone here agrees with you it doesn't matter we're a bubble stfu

Brad I can’t log off I can’t even go outside anymore bc I don’t want to catch the ‘vid

the cool stuff itt is being shouted over by cis white men even worse than if it was IRL

the cool stuff itt is being shouted over by cis white men even worse than if it was IRL

― El Tomboto, Friday, March 6, 2020 10:08 AM (four seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink

lol

Also, re: "voting against their interests", poor/middle-class/rich people who voted for Trump were absolutely voting for their interests; they wanted to see an autocrat go after people they've decided are their enemies. They may believe this will eventually lead to financial relief but the main catharsis of demonizing and punishing the other is what they are interested in and what they wanted, so they voted for it. Don't assume everyone's priority revolves around easing their own suffering when half the decisions made in this country have been about inflicting suffering on others.

the cool stuff itt is being shouted over by cis white men even worse than if it was IRL

the cool stuff itt is being shouted over by cis white men even worse than if it was IRL

_the cool stuff itt is being shouted over by cis white men even worse than if it was IRL_

that thing white ppl do when they disparage 'white ppl'🕸

who are Democrats backing Biden hoping will suffer?

Berniebros

will menaker

lol

I thought this was interesting re: older black voters choices. I don't really like the title as it's a bit hyperbolic but she makes some interesting points. I dont' know how any candidate successfully bridges these gaps with younger and older voters (regardless of race).

https://theslot.jezebel.com/the-deification-of-the-older-black-voter

"Don't assume everyone's priority revolves around easing their own suffering when half the decisions made in this country have been about inflicting suffering on others." absolutely. Scapegoating works.

is Biden support particularly strong among older black voters? I was under the impression the age gap was more or less universal

i assume biden will not redistribute will menaker's trust fund to the ppl

that gambit never works.

Sure about that? The Democratic nominees for president have won the popular vote in 6 out of the last 7 presidential elections. (And the only one they didn't was against an incumbent who still had 9/11 shine on him.) I feel like the line that "they keep nominating unpopular candidates" just isn't borne out by the data, if by "popular" you mean "preferred by a majority of people." The Electoral College fucked with two of those elections and may fuck with this year's too. But it's not true that "everybody hates the Dem nominees," or at least they don't hate them more than the Republicans.

then fuck it he just lost my vote xp

sorry in my attempt to snip off fb parameters so as not to offend sic, I broke that link

https://theslot.jezebel.com/the-deification-of-the-older-black-voter-1842064729

biden support appears to have been strong with older black voters in south carolina. I don't know about anywhere else.

who are Democrats backing Biden hoping will suffer?

The answer here is "Donald Trump", no?

one advantage biden has over kerry or hillary (or gore) is that he doesn't come off as a snobby liberal elitist*. even if you do believe dems keep nominating unpopular candidates this is at least a new kind. * i kno obama.

who are Democrats backing Biden hoping will suffer?

This is a disingenuous question but I'll answer it anyway.

Democrats backing Biden believe they will suffer less. It's not rocket science; they think Sanders is alienating and not drawing a large enough coalition to sell his progressive message and they are concerned that the apparatus Sanders wants to put in place is untested, more fragile, and unlikely to materialize. They are voting for what they believe is a tangible, achievable goal rather than a dream.

I disagree with them but I get it.

Anyway, arguing about who's best positioned to beat Trump — something I don't even have an opinion on, because there are too many variables — ignores the more immediate challenge. You can't be best positioned to beat Trump if you aren't first best positioned to win enough votes to get the Democratic nomination. It's nonsensical to say that you can get more votes in November if you can't first get more votes in March and April.

who are Democrats backing Biden hoping will suffer?

The Federalist Society

That's a fine answer! And again it's up to Sanders and co. to counter that narrative as much as to make a positive case. xxp

There’s a fairly granular breakdown of Biden support here (hoping this link works)

Sure about that? The Democratic nominees for president have won the popular vote in 6 out of the last 7 presidential elections.

Instead we had 12 years of Reagan/Bush, 8 of Bush and 4-8 of Trump. In our voting lifetimes (except for 1-2 ILXors), non-incumbent Democrats have been elected twice (to four times for Republicans), once with the possible help of the strongest modern third party run, both times in bad economic times - one of those times running to the left of the party as it was constituted.

Cross your fingers that coronavirus tanks the economy, I guess?

Barring a crisis Trump will have the advantage of a "strong economy" (I know, I know) on his side. xp!

It's nonsensical to say that you can get more votes in November if you can't first get more votes in March and April.

true, but isn't the calculation about November a factor in March?

Unfortunately many of the reasons Biden would be a shit nominee (i.e. corruption, bad brain) are considered uncouth or unwise for a Dem opponent to bring up.

It's not rocket science

I've always wondered what rocket scientists say, because for rocket scientists, rocket science is relatively easy.

Brain surgery

Politics.

personal hygiene

It's nonsensical to say that you can get more votes in November if you can't first get more votes in March and April.

true, but isn't the calculation about November a factor in March?

i hope bernie attacks biden on his senility bc either it'll work and we'll be spared trump beating biden with the same argument or it'll fail and at least it'll have been a little played out before trump can use it. i don't really believe such a line of attack will help bernie but at this pt he probably has to try everything.

(Which cuts both ways - Bernie running up the numbers in California, which is an automatic win, is as meaningless as Biden running up the numbers in South Carolina, an automatic loss.)

lol washing your hands all the fucking time and not touching anything is kind of hard!

I don't think anyone needs to overtly attack Biden's cognitive decline (though Republicans will - and already are), it's going to be on display for months to come.