Your next 2020 Democratic presidential primary thread: Now we're serious

who are black voters gonna go for in Trump v Sanders? hmmmmm

Democrats are sleepwalking into a disaster and threatening to nominate a completely unelectable candidate solely because of his unrealistic promises. Only one man can stop this. It's time for Barack Obama to endorse Bernie Sanders.

— 'Weird Alex' Pareene (@pareene) March 1, 2020

Sund4r and Morbius: Why do you think Sanders would be more likely than Warren to get progressive legislation passed in Congress? I don't buy that mobilizing the base to exert pressure on Mitch McConnell would actually be effective, and I don't know how you get very much done in the Senate if you're not willing to end the filibuster.

For me, the most-persuasive argument for Sanders at this point is an electability one.

Oh cool this again

who are black voters gonna go for in Trump v Sanders?

Potentially nobody

i also have my reservations about the "bringing the fight to mitch mcconnell's backyard" strategy but otoh bernie sanders has already been shifting the national conversation and the way we talk about what can be done in this country

Not gonna happen.

We need the Senate. But y'all knew that.

if Bernie wins, he's gotta go with Stacy Abrams

jaymc: I'm voting on executive orders etc

if it's a GOP Senate, no Dem prez is passing shit

So weird. He “failed to stop” what 25-30 years ago? Warren was a Republican corporate lawyer then. Is a single leftwing lawmaker supposed to unravel hundreds of years capitalism and imperialism by themselves? What exactly is the line of criticism here? https://t.co/71cshEEpCy

— Adam H. Johnson (@adamjohnsonNYC) March 1, 2020

xpost maybe some kidney stones

Warren raised Warren raised $29 million in Feb.9 million in Feb.

(Argh, don't know how that happened.)

Adam Johnson's a fucking idiot.

https://i.ibb.co/CmB9TsW/p-rain-man-dustin-hoffman.jpg

xxp that's a lot of money but her "do nothing" opponent raised $46.5

I know what he raised.

that press release seems nuts - they're not even saying that they foresee any victories, just an accumulation of delegates that will somehow result in her making a play for the nomination at the convention. Who is going to unite behind a candidate who doesn't win anything? Even if it somehow works, how will it look in the general election?

basically it's the reality competition show approach - "I was never the best at any of the primaries, but I wasn't the worst at any of them!!! I'm a viable candidate!"

Buttigieg's campaign is taking the same approach.

Buttigieg's campaign just held a call on background about its Super Tuesday strategy.

The plan, aides say, is to replicate the Iowa strategy -- delegate maximization rather than the popular vote totals -- on a 16-state scale ...

— Daniel Marans (@danielmarans) February 29, 2020

Anyway, last night I saw a bunch of Sanders supporters saying, in reaction to the Warren speech, "I don't understand why she's doing this." Because she's trying to win the nomination!

if you care about ending the filibuster you should vote for bernie because as president he has no control over this and as senator he could vote against ending it..............

you know I love all of you overworrying dorks but for the life of me I can’t figure out why we’re even thinking about who’s going to pass shit in the senate when all that matters is nominating the most left-wing judges and not starting wars

^^^^ + pen-stroke regulations

EYE ON THE BALL, PEOPLE

Some in the church in Selma, where Bloomberg is speaking are standing up with their backs toward him. pic.twitter.com/LUuvJeL2NZ

— Tarini Parti (@tparti) March 1, 2020

I hope Warren eats shit on Tuesday and isn't viable outside of Mass

Yeah, how dare she say something true about the Anointed One.

If Bernie can't keep Warren on his side, his presidency is going to be an epic failure

'someone like Warren', that should probably say. or something

the bernie guys should start a thread for the people who just want to FITE.

if things would've worked out better, that could have been The 200,000th Thread Anticipation, Celebration, & Physical Fights Thread

but i think the better option is Post here when you want to shit on someone passive aggressively until they see it and start a fight with you ITT

If Bernie can't keep Warren on his side, his presidency is going to be an epic failure

― Frederik B, Sunday, March 1, 2020 1:50 PM (ten minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

you know she's running against him for president, right?

Too bad there's never been a time that co-candidates ran a heated campaign but then worked together once one of them got the nomination.

people could also "take it outside" in the old school sense, by which i mean take it to yahoo chat
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Fred, Warren isn't "not on Bernie's side". She is running for office against him, which puts her first allegiance to herself. And she's behind. This means she needs to find reasons why voters should prefer her to Sanders. So she is.

If a Sanders administration happens, all this will be in the distant past and Warren will be one of his natural allies in the Senate, unless he asks her to do something she thinks is bad and puts her own career at risk.

"It's Bernie's fault Warren is running against him" is the galaxy brain to end all galaxy brains

Fred's right, remember that time the Clintons were nasty to Obama and then they actively sabotaged him and backed McCain instead and he lost the election

I mean after he has won

So do we

stop posting fred

Hope springs eternal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqm_u_PWQSs

specific user such as fred

Just saying, the whole 'hope #LoserLIZ eats shit and is really really humiliated on tuesday' is a bad take. I don't get the whole 'the party always gets back together again' when that mostly is so because they are all centrist careerists who agree on doing nothing anyway. Sanders needs to get the party behind him, and he has a tougher job than others would have had, since he is outside the party consensus. The way Trump did it was to basically give the center-right everything they wanted anyway on judges and tax cuts, and I don't imagine that is what anyone is hoping for.

You're right, I'm sure Warren will take a good hard look at things and decide we're better off with Trump after Bernie wins the nom

Sund4r and Morbius: Why do you think Sanders would be more likely than Warren to get progressive legislation passed in Congress? I don't buy that mobilizing the base to exert pressure on Mitch McConnell would actually be effective, and I don't know how you get very much done in the Senate if you're not willing to end the filibuster.

I mean, I said "if anything", "slightly more believable", and "more likely" wrt shifting the centrists. Idk if anyone or anything will move McConnell but I can see Sanders being more likely to mobilize Kamala Harris's or Amy Klobuchar's constituencies, which, to some extent, he already has. I don't really know what Warren plans to do about the filibuster or why it would be easier to remove it as President than as a Senator, esp if her seat would be replaced with a Republican. They're both promising ponies, even if it seems important for Warren or some of her supporters to act like there's a difference between them on this.xps to jaymc

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/1/15/1911306/-How-Democrats-can-avoid-handing-Senate-seats-to-the-GOP-if-Warren-or-Sanders-wins-the-presidency