Hillary Clinton: Classic or Dud?

my parents are boomers and they complain about their peers more than anyone I know, although they tend to not say "boomers"

just a baseline unease with how their cohort in the upper middle class lost track of ideals. the thing that's lost in generational categorization is this constant: anyone who maintains working class status, especially those without the ability to retire, are seldom lumped into a generational category. it's flat: if you're broke, you're broke

I thought there are lots of studies that boomers have higher rates of divorce, suicide, unhappiness. But at the same time I guess those are the only people currently in that age bracket so we can't really compare. Most do seem deeply unhappy though.

don't they label it something like, toxic nostalgia for a false world.

this is incredible pic.twitter.com/PSFDxja1it

— the wholelottared wanter (@poolsideconvooo) December 5, 2019

It's been far too many hours since we last discussed Hillary Clinton or how badly she is governing the country during her retirement.

Biden is worse

otoh Biden didn't hang out at Epstein's weird ranch repeatedly (to our knowledge)

when Fridays are slow, revive a Clinton thread. I always say!

so incredible that someone wanted to stop ethnic cleansing

Slow Saturday morning revive:

Wow. Howard Stern and Hillary Clinton mocking Bernie for offering free college: “Chocolate milk for everybody!” pic.twitter.com/ScTosMv4KE

— Ibrahim (@ibrahimpols) December 6, 2019

Had anyone ever been so bitter about an intra-party opponent they defeated?

Heh. Not to my knowledge, no.

Trumpian tbh

the one thread i wish was named in the style of RIP David Brooks

more like Trump than even I realized

Stern brings out the best in people.

If I recall correctly, she said almost that exact same thing in her book about the 2016 election, that Sanders kept trying to outdo her by offering wild, impossible, immature promises. She's the worst.

Yeah, she quoted the whole FB meme about Sanders promising ponies.

hello folks

https://imgur.com/3FSi8Ld.jpg

what the

t/s: smooth bernie vs smooth hillary

xps - that looks to me like perhaps it merges an image of HRC with Nancy Pelosi, but whatever it is, it is not an image of any person now living or dead.

"nobody likes him"

she's a Heather

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/479097-clinton-weighs-in-on-sanders-nobody-likes-him-nobody-wants-to-work-with-him

Ugh

the war has begun, right on time w/ BS stuck in the Senate for weeks

mount up and ride toward the sound of the guns

"I won't campaign for him" -> very considerate, actually

to be fair, if i spent my life in politics and ran for president with the high level support and resources she had -- and then lost to trump, i would be a bitter shell of myself too

something about her inspires sympathy, i don't know. like everyone in the world learned about the details of her husband's infidelity, then she got dragged through that satanic 2016 election --with a large portion of the electorate coming to believe she was into ritual sacrifice or whatever pizzagate said -- these things are hard

and she bears it all with like, such a grim sense of humor, only occasionally letting on how much seething hatred she has for the world.

i'd rather read a novel about her than bernie, i'll say that.

so why do we care what Clinton thinks?

bc she is a metaphor of a dying empire

might be a prelude of things to come from Dem establishment folks if Bernie manages to get the nomination

I mean, she's not an unimportant figure. Lots of people preferred Sanders but still supported and respected Clinton.

yeah in the same way i prefer socialism but support and respect its murderous alternative

This “bernie is sexist” meme could sink him honestly. It doesn’t have to be coherent—the idea is just to tag someone with a label that would-be supporters would to distance themselves from, create an “ick” factor. If he wins the nomination and party bigshots don’t campaign for him on this ground, it will definitely suppress turnout. How much i can’t say

imagine the unanimously warm reception she'd get at a Sanders rally

Alfred, don't be naïve. This hit is Fort Sumter.

The most hilarious thing about this discussion is that it comes just as Bernie apologized for an attack on Biden by a surrogate in the Guardian. If the centrists attack, it's not because Clinton has sent the secret centrist cabal signal, it's because they can give as good as they receive, and attacks would anyway intensify as the campaign heats up.

waht

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/479084-sanders-apologizes-to-biden-for-supporters-op-ed

Alfred, don't be naïve. This hit is Fort Sumter.

― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius),

Don't be melodramatic.

xp wtf does this have to do w hrc comments

Biden is Hillary Clinton in drag IIRC

We can still think the "sexist" tag is unfair and that it is weirdly gross for Clinton, not even a candidate at this point, obsessively railing against Sanders in a bizarrely personal way over the last few years. Not sure what it proves that Teachout wrote a piece on Biden that essentially says what the ILE "senator from Citibank" thread says and Sanders still apologized for it. xps

*to obsessively rail

x-post: Oh, I'm just laughing at the Fort Sumter comparisons and stuff like that. Poor innocent little Bernie, being dastardly attacked while he is away doing his duty. As if this isn't absolutely par for the course in any primary.

no it's not remotely "par for the course," this isn't standard fare late-primary surrogate warfare

This is the (still) face of the DNC throwing "nobody likes him" and "misogynist" bombs at the arguable frontrunner in an effort to sink his campaign, prior even to Iowa

Hillary Clinton is pretty clearly not the face of the DNC, Sanders is pretty clearly not the frontrunner, and this is pretty clearly par for the course.

I might not be American but I'm older than twelve

ok I'll play: who is the face of the DNC, if not the prior party nominee with the highest name recognition? I missed it, did theye revoke her card?