RIP David Brooks

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not really

unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 13 October 2011 16:08 (nine years ago) link

to be fair, his soul is dead

tylerw, Thursday, 13 October 2011 16:09 (nine years ago) link

maybe, someday

am0n, Thursday, 13 October 2011 16:10 (nine years ago) link

ice cr?m, Thursday, 13 October 2011 16:16 (nine years ago) link

He and E.J. Dionne on NPR are like a shrimp and goldfish floating in a thin gruel.

lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 13 October 2011 16:23 (nine years ago) link

lol i am ded

am0n, Thursday, 13 October 2011 16:27 (nine years ago) link

I always knew David Brooks was an asshole ....

curmudgeon, Thursday, 13 October 2011 17:53 (nine years ago) link

Bump this thread whenever he dies.

RIP, hell needed a bunch of cretinous demographic catchphrases.

Axolotl with an Atlatl (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 13 October 2011 17:53 (nine years ago) link

David Brooks epitomizes the kind of career pundit who always seems at least a tiny bit guilty that he gets paid at all. I used to think Frum was like that, too, though I heard an interesting sign-off from him on NPR yesterday, where he announced he was abdicating his point/counterpart position because he didn't feel his views currently aligned with that of "the right."

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 13 October 2011 18:00 (nine years ago) link

Frum has more brains than Brooks.

lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 13 October 2011 18:00 (nine years ago) link

frum is worth a million brookses, which says more about brooks than frum

horseshoe, Thursday, 13 October 2011 18:01 (nine years ago) link

lol xp

horseshoe, Thursday, 13 October 2011 18:01 (nine years ago) link

Bobos in mourning.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 13 October 2011 18:05 (nine years ago) link

I only brought up Frum because he's another guy who practically sounds like hand wringing.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 13 October 2011 18:05 (nine years ago) link

Frum's a smart feller but I've never quite forgiven him for:

lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 13 October 2011 18:09 (nine years ago) link

i hate david frum and the things he has historically stood for but at least he's not a total waste of space

horseshoe, Thursday, 13 October 2011 18:09 (nine years ago) link

Not the right thread, but since we're posting remarks by GOP buffoons here's Douthat's latest dispatch from fantasyland.

lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 13 October 2011 19:42 (nine years ago) link

So Frum with some hand-wringing seemingly admitted yesterday that stimulus might have been necessary and now Douthat says stimulus would have been ok if it had been done by a President McCain (in a better way of course than the Dems did). Oy veh.

curmudgeon, Thursday, 13 October 2011 20:01 (nine years ago) link

oh douchehatpaws

unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 13 October 2011 20:22 (nine years ago) link

more like Ross don'tdouthat amirite

unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 13 October 2011 20:23 (nine years ago) link

my fav douthat moment was when i saw him interviewed on tv and the interviewer read a wonkete quote that called him a something like a misogynist neck beard homunculus and his response was all 'well sometimes you make arguments that work and sometimes they kinda fall flat but you know' and it was like dawg they just called u a homunculus

ice cr?m, Thursday, 13 October 2011 20:29 (nine years ago) link


unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 13 October 2011 20:33 (nine years ago) link

In November 2009 I saw Douthat on a Friday at noon in the gay portion of Dupont Circle with a man-friend.

lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 13 October 2011 20:36 (nine years ago) link

two months pass...

haha wow:

s.clover, Wednesday, 4 January 2012 02:57 (nine years ago) link

this turdball should write slashfic:

Occasionally you get a candidate, like Tim Pawlenty, who grew up working class. But he gets sucked up by the consultants, the donors and the professional party members and he ends up sounding like every other Republican. Other times a candidate will emerge who taps into a working-class vibe — Pat Buchanan, Mike Huckabee or Sarah Palin. But, so far, these have been flawed candidates who get buried under an avalanche of negative ads and brutal coverage.

This year, Romney is trying to establish some emotional bond with the working class by waging a hyperpatriotic campaign: I may be the son of a millionaire with a religion that makes you uncomfortable, but I love this country just like you. The strategy appears to be only a partial success.

Enter Rick Santorum.

lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 4 January 2012 02:59 (nine years ago) link

The country doesn’t want an election that is Harvard Law versus Harvard Law.

wait, hasn't david brooks spent years arguing that this is a perfectly good thing??

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 4 January 2012 03:32 (nine years ago) link

If you took a working-class candidate from the right, like Santorum, and a working-class candidate from the left, like Senator Sherrod Brown of Ohio, and you found a few islands of common ground, you could win this election by a landslide.

Brown was born in Mansfield, Ohio, the son of Emily (née Campbell) and Charles Gailey Brown, M.D.[1] He was named after his maternal grandfather. He became an Eagle Scout in 1967. He received a Bachelor of Arts degree in Russian studies from Yale University in 1974. At Yale, he was in Davenport College, the same residential college as U.S. Presidents George H. W. and George W. Bush

jhøshea nrq (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 4 January 2012 03:38 (nine years ago) link

and you found a few islands of common ground

Sometimes he sounds just like Tom Friedman

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 4 January 2012 05:18 (nine years ago) link

Has anyone read the Life Reports David Brooks has been running in the nytimes? It's a really good way to make yourself hopeless and depressed.

Nicole, Wednesday, 4 January 2012 14:37 (nine years ago) link

Otoh, you can probably say that about anything relating to David Brooks.

Nicole, Wednesday, 4 January 2012 14:37 (nine years ago) link

one month passes...

had to physically restrain myself from ripping the skin off my face as I was reading this.

s.clover, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 18:08 (nine years ago) link

He really is such a dunce.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 18:33 (nine years ago) link

what the hell's he talking about

demolition with discretion (m coleman), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 20:29 (nine years ago) link

yogurt, I think

max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 21:51 (nine years ago) link

He is doing a little kid level response to the standard criticism of Murray's latest book

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 22:17 (nine years ago) link

more like Roast in Piss

happiness is the new productivity (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 16:22 (nine years ago) link

Please take a number, if you would like to be the next columnist/blogger/economist etc. to critique David Brooks' latest pronouncement:

Here's Dean Baker

Brooks also has an interesting theory on the loss of skills. He tells readers:

"The American social fabric is now so depleted that even if manufacturing jobs miraculously came back we still would not be producing enough stable, skilled workers to fill them."

Five years ago we had two million more people employed in manufacturing than we do today. Has the social fabric become so depleted in this period that these people or others could now not fill these jobs if they came back? If Brooks really thinks that the ill effects of unemployment are that extreme he should be screaming for more stimulus in every column.

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 15 February 2012 21:11 (nine years ago) link

brooks recasts real world problems as a morality play in his role as conservative apologist: every david brooks column

lag∞n, Wednesday, 15 February 2012 21:14 (nine years ago) link

tho often i guess they are not so much real world problems as fake made up problems

lag∞n, Wednesday, 15 February 2012 21:15 (nine years ago) link

Today's helping, courtesy of a certain ilx alumnus:

But even while grappling with the tension between religious values and contemporary cultural values, which is basically well within Brooks’ wheelhouse, he demonstrates a hilarious misunderstanding of sports, and what sports are “about,” because Mr. Brooks has been spending far too much time in his cloistered elite liberal media ivory tower munching on brie and arugula and not enough time among Real Americans in their “Sporting Taverns” watching “The Big Game” over a pint of mass-market domestic lager.

Spleen of Hearts (kingfish), Friday, 17 February 2012 21:59 (nine years ago) link

suspect beating up brooks when u need an easy column will outlast "analyzing" linsanity/linreality tbh

the fading ghost of schadenfreude whiplash (Hunt3r), Friday, 17 February 2012 22:24 (nine years ago) link

A few generations ago, teenagers went steady. But over the past decades, the dating relationship has been replaced by a more amorphous hook-up culture.

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 19:20 (nine years ago) link

a few generations ago, it was legal to marry a 15 year old

max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 19:28 (nine years ago) link

a few generations ago, interracial marriage was against the law

max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 19:28 (nine years ago) link

a few generations ago, bestiality was legal in Florida

ENERGY FOOD (en i see kay), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 19:36 (nine years ago) link

The half-century between 1912 and 1962 was a period of great wars and economic tumult but also of impressive social cohesion. Marriage rates were high. Community groups connected people across class

In the half-century between 1962 and the present, America has become more prosperous, peaceful and fair, but the social fabric has deteriorated. Social trust has plummeted. Society has segmented. The share of Americans born out of wedlock is now at 40 percent and rising.

Ah, the good ol' days..... If only married people had kids, we could have impressive social cohesion and a strong social fabric like we did before 1961, when only men could get decent jobs and we kept those darned negroes out of our good schools, restaurants, and bus seats....

everything else is secondary (Lee626), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 19:41 (nine years ago) link

beyond self-parody at this point

ploppawheelie V (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 00:26 (nine years ago) link

remote learning has been quite bad for the most vulnerable, just like everything is, always! he doesn't care! we should give people things, like good schools and food and health care, and less police. BUT WE DON'T. we didn't do anything to contain the pandemic. to make opening schools this one issue we can consider in isolation, so we can get in another dig at teachers' unions, is wrong and stupid.

superdeep borehole (harbl), Friday, 29 January 2021 19:23 (seven months ago) link

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trans-panda express (m bison), Friday, 29 January 2021 19:31 (seven months ago) link

Wait was DB’s wedding video linked itt already? Because it proves how much he cares about young Black people.

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Friday, 29 January 2021 19:49 (seven months ago) link

Can't believe Bruce Springsteen gave this union-bashing tool a shout-out on his radio show last week.

Lily Dale, Friday, 29 January 2021 19:55 (seven months ago) link

has David Brooks ever had sex, even with himself?


superdeep borehole (harbl), Friday, 29 January 2021 20:05 (seven months ago) link

can we not?

Compromise isn't a principle, it's a method (Aimless), Friday, 29 January 2021 20:32 (seven months ago) link

one month passes...

NYT columnist David Brooks draws a second salary for leading an Aspen Institute project funded by Facebook, Jeff Bezos' dad, & others. He didn't disclose this to readers. The Times refused to say if the paper was aware of Brooks' second salary.

Facebook gave $250,000 in 2018 to help fund Weave, Brooks' project at the Institute. A few months later Brooks began promoting Weave in the Times. He never disclosed the FB money, his salary, or other funders. Weave received just over 1.5 million in 2018, the latest $$ available.

grab bag cum trash bag (sic), Friday, 5 March 2021 12:34 (six months ago) link

looking forward to this precedent being enforced

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 5 March 2021 17:47 (six months ago) link

hmm that didn't work so well

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Friday, 5 March 2021 20:03 (six months ago) link

does brooks have loyal readers who follow him?


Zach_TBD (Karl Malone), Friday, 5 March 2021 20:11 (six months ago) link

probably but fwiw that was a poorly executed rickroll attempt

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Friday, 5 March 2021 20:31 (six months ago) link


map ca. 1890 (map), Friday, 5 March 2021 20:57 (six months ago) link


longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 5 March 2021 21:14 (six months ago) link

one month passes...

Can barely stand that this guy has his books arranged by color FFS

Does he have a movement disorder or does he always have to pee during his PBS spots or what

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Saturday, 24 April 2021 02:37 (five months ago) link

Any woman with his teeth would never, ever be on TV, not even as a talking head on PBS

(see also: any woman as unattractive as fucking Mitch McConnell would never be elected to that office)

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Saturday, 24 April 2021 02:39 (five months ago) link

Why do I do this to myself every Friday night

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Saturday, 24 April 2021 02:39 (five months ago) link

He always seems so eager and boyish. He's 59 years old for crying out loud.

sharpening the contraindications (Aimless), Saturday, 24 April 2021 03:06 (five months ago) link

In my mind the Aspen Ideas Festival is 200 copies of David Brooks nattering on to one another

i.e. a nightmare

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Saturday, 24 April 2021 05:21 (five months ago) link

name of said festival surely a contradiction in terms

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 24 April 2021 10:16 (five months ago) link

three months pass...

is it guys leaving their wives for their much younger research assistants

— Josh Fruhlinger (@jfruh) July 30, 2021

but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 30 July 2021 18:07 (one month ago) link

Brooks's latest big read for the Atlantic posits the creative class (or bobos) as the furry mogwai who seemed cute and harmless in the late '90s with their fancy strollers and coffee drinks but who, as their cultural power has grown, have transformed into vicious gremlins who now poison our politics and culture. I thought his idea that the US class structure, which used to be a monolithic sandwich of upper/middle/lower, has now bifurcated into two separate red and blue hierarchies was interesting. He still has a knack for cultural taxonomy.

o. nate, Monday, 2 August 2021 21:47 (one month ago) link

Trump voters listed the media—the epitome of creative-class production—as the biggest threat to America.

oh was that the reason

symsymsym, Monday, 2 August 2021 22:47 (one month ago) link

Soooo many unexamined assumptions in that piece. So many questions that go unanswered because he doesn't even bother to ask them. He just lays down ideas that would fall apart if he took his own logic just one or two steps further, but he never, ever does. If you really tried to pick it apart, you'd probably give yourself a stroke.

but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 2 August 2021 22:50 (one month ago) link

Brooks is an absolute idiot, and that piece was nothing one wouldn't expect from him. Lazy, myopic crap.

heyy nineteen, that's john belushi (the table is the table), Monday, 2 August 2021 22:54 (one month ago) link

article would have been way more entertaining if he actually used the mogwai/gremlin analogy

symsymsym, Tuesday, 3 August 2021 00:32 (one month ago) link

Don't give them a soy latte after midnight

Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 3 August 2021 00:47 (one month ago) link

This essay about the gentry of Yakima that he references is kind of interesting. His conclusion:

Power resides in group photos of half-soused overweight men in ill-fitting polo shirts, in gated communities and local philanthropic boards. You’ll rarely, if ever, see these things on CNN or in the New York Times, but they’re no less essential to understanding how and why our society works the way it does.

o. nate, Wednesday, 4 August 2021 20:39 (one month ago) link

That was great, thanks.

DJI, Wednesday, 4 August 2021 22:20 (one month ago) link

Yes, I thought it was fascinating. The author has a book coming out (on a very different topic from European history) which I immediately added to my wish list. I am wondering about the working class in these small towns and why they seem more aligned politically with the local gentry than with the politics of the urban working class (which is much more liberal). It seems the consensus of the elite creative class is that these small-town working class people are being snowed by conservative hot button issues of race, guns and God, when they should be more attuned to the economic barriers that are keeping them down. But it's not clear that liberals are really offering them a better deal even on a purely economic level. If the power of the local gentry is reduced by government intervention, most likely their economic ownership will be replaced by big national corporations that will only siphon more of the profits out of the locality. At least the local gentry keep a lot of the money in the community. Someone in the comments mentioned that this has already happened in the case of finance. Local banks once formed a basis for a local gentry. Deregulation has changed that by allowing national banks to expand into every state, town and locality. So now those gentry have been replaced with large corporations, which are more aligned with the elite educated axis of power, and perhaps more blue-tinged on social issues, but also now take all those profits out of the community.

o. nate, Thursday, 5 August 2021 16:33 (one month ago) link

I've been thinking of a lot of issues related to this over the past month as I visit my (small, remote, rural, poor) hometown. Lots of big, fancy lakefront properties with custom homes, lots of giant boats and RVs and jetskis and four-wheelers and other toys but also lots of abject generational poverty, substandard housing, lack of resources, social safety net, substance abuse, etc.

Being local, or being able to engage in the 'so who are your parents / where did you grow up?' conversation long enough to arrive at shared acquaintances or experiences goes an awful long way.

The guys who own the construction companies or regional grocery empire or beverage wholesaler or small manufacturing warehouse went to school with or know the families and history of the people who work for them.

The workers know the rich family's gossip and history as well, and since they never left the area to go to somewhere bigger and fancier they obviously are true locals, definitely not the suburban or tourist types. Choosing to live here means they've sided with us against the liberals way down in Detroit or Minneapolis or Chicago or Milwaukee.

It isn't their fault they pay shit wages, it's because of the democrats downstate and in Washington who keep taxing them unfairly. Plus they like fishing and hunting just as much as the workers do, they just have a fancier boat and go to Wyoming or Montana every fall to hunt. Plus somebody's got to work on their fancy boat and build the wraparound porch on their giant waterfront home, maybe it'll be my cousin or friend who lucks out and gets that job.

joygoat, Thursday, 5 August 2021 19:03 (one month ago) link

so you're saying perceived cultural differences are being used as a wedge issue to dissolve class consciousness before it can even appear. interesting, i wonder if anyone has ever predicted this

Linda and Jodie Rocco (map), Thursday, 5 August 2021 19:09 (one month ago) link

xxp and xp: Yep.

Ima Gardener (in orbit), Thursday, 5 August 2021 19:33 (one month ago) link

I'm no historian, so I assume I'm missing something, but I found that Yakima piece's point elusive. Why call these people "gentry" and talk so much about the assets they own, when they are almost all capitalists who employ labor? He mentions owning apartment complexes as one form of gentry-hood, but not many of the other examples involved rent, which is more what I would associate with that term. Sorry to be a dull marxist, but what about that piece isn't captured by "[local] capitalists own the means of production, and therefore wield [local] social and political power"...?

rob, Thursday, 5 August 2021 19:59 (one month ago) link

I think his point was more that these businesses are mostly inherited and are basically just printing money at this point.

DJI, Thursday, 5 August 2021 20:09 (one month ago) link

sorry to be the other dull capitalist but yep that's how capital works.

like five times a year there is some shitty diagnosis of america's problems that dimly sees some fragment of capitalism and acts like it's de toqueville. sorry but not sorry to be so dismissive since really when has anything mentioned by david brooks EVER been worth thinking about or talking about?

Linda and Jodie Rocco (map), Thursday, 5 August 2021 20:20 (one month ago) link

dull marxist i mean. i need to be off the internet today

Linda and Jodie Rocco (map), Thursday, 5 August 2021 20:23 (one month ago) link

I wouldn't say he's diagnosing America's ills, it's more that he's talking about narratives - the local gentry (who are extractive but not entrepreneurial at this point because the money printing operations are running on their own) are the Republican base but generally receive less coverage as elites (leading to Cletus Safaris and the myth that it was working class whites who form the backbone of Trumpism, for one).

The finance bros and billionaire class who are more prominent the public consciousness are about as likely to be Democrats (of a sort) these days, their internationalist capitalism is grating to nationalist capitalists (a tale as old as fascism). And the callback to medieval and Roman mores of violence call to mind the likelihood of the state giving up its monopoly - what's the Thiel/Nextdooor app that wants to become a private police force?

Joe Bombin (milo z), Thursday, 5 August 2021 20:48 (one month ago) link

this is more or less haute vs petit bourgeoisie right? what’s new about the specific alignments & disjunctures noted here? there *are* new things happening in this regard but are they in this piece? not sure what to do with the pre-capitalist references either, do we need them here

Left, Thursday, 5 August 2021 21:27 (one month ago) link

thread needs to turn back to straight David Brooks h8

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Thursday, 5 August 2021 21:30 (one month ago) link

My TV isn't working so my Friday nights have been so peaceful, compared to David-Brooks-on-PBS rageful

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Thursday, 5 August 2021 21:31 (one month ago) link

milo: I think you must be talking about the Brooks piece, which I didn't read lol, as I don't think the words Republican or Democrat appear in the Wyman piece. I believe Citizen is the private vigilantism app you're thinking of.

The word "capitalism" doesn't appear in the Wyman either, which is what initially irked me. And yeah having a subscription to Harpers during the W years made me kneejerk recoil to essays that reach back to the classical period to make points about present-day USA, though at least Lapham was talking about American imperialism not people who own a handful of McDonalds franchises

Sorry quincie! I started reading the Brooks, but had to bail as soon as I read: "We had a clear idea of what class conflict, when it came, would look like—members of the working classes would align with progressive intellectuals to take on the capitalist elite."

rob, Thursday, 5 August 2021 22:56 (one month ago) link

I'm talking about Wyman, you'd have to pay me to read a word of David Brooks. He doesn't mention Republican or Democrat, but they're tacit elements in play any time you're talking about the American civil order, where power lies and urban/rural issues. The people he's talking about are now cruising along at 85%+ Republican, right?

I don't see a problem using historical illustration - and the issue you raise about his use of gentry is part of that. A primarily rentier gentry is a more modern concept than local lords that profit in other ways (such as using forced labor from serfs and slaves for their profit making concerns).

Joe Bombin (milo z), Thursday, 5 August 2021 23:12 (one month ago) link

(I don’t think there are any earth-shattering revelations there but it’s a blog post so it would be a bit of a miracle if there were.)

Joe Bombin (milo z), Thursday, 5 August 2021 23:20 (one month ago) link

To me, the Wyman piece reinforces how geographically defined our 2 political parties have become. Democrats are the party of the big cities, Republicans are the party of the small towns. Within those geographic boundaries, the party alignment cuts across class and income distinctions, to a surprising extent. Demographically, big cities are the future, but due to some quirks of our constitution, small towns get a disproportionate representation in Washington, so the GOP punches above its weight at the national level.

o. nate, Friday, 6 August 2021 16:17 (one month ago) link

I fixed my TV just so I could hate watch DB tonight :(

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Friday, 6 August 2021 16:49 (one month ago) link

Democrats are the party of the big cities, Republicans are the party of the small towns.

Worth noting, though, that Democrats are also the party of the small cities. There are a lot of them and they add up.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 6 August 2021 17:09 (one month ago) link

at least we're not talking about David Brooks or his puddle-deep thoughts any more

it is to laugh, like so, ha! (Aimless), Friday, 6 August 2021 19:47 (one month ago) link

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