RIP David Brooks

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not really

unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 13 October 2011 16:08 (five years ago) Permalink

to be fair, his soul is dead

tylerw, Thursday, 13 October 2011 16:09 (five years ago) Permalink

maybe, someday

am0n, Thursday, 13 October 2011 16:10 (five years ago) Permalink

http://i.imgur.com/tSGDs.png

ice cr?m, Thursday, 13 October 2011 16:16 (five years ago) Permalink

He and E.J. Dionne on NPR are like a shrimp and goldfish floating in a thin gruel.

lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 13 October 2011 16:23 (five years ago) Permalink

lol i am ded

am0n, Thursday, 13 October 2011 16:27 (five years ago) Permalink

I always knew David Brooks was an asshole ....

curmudgeon, Thursday, 13 October 2011 17:53 (five years ago) Permalink

Bump this thread whenever he dies.

RIP, hell needed a bunch of cretinous demographic catchphrases.

Axolotl with an Atlatl (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 13 October 2011 17:53 (five years ago) Permalink

David Brooks epitomizes the kind of career pundit who always seems at least a tiny bit guilty that he gets paid at all. I used to think Frum was like that, too, though I heard an interesting sign-off from him on NPR yesterday, where he announced he was abdicating his point/counterpart position because he didn't feel his views currently aligned with that of "the right."

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 13 October 2011 18:00 (five years ago) Permalink

Frum has more brains than Brooks.

lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 13 October 2011 18:00 (five years ago) Permalink

frum is worth a million brookses, which says more about brooks than frum

horseshoe, Thursday, 13 October 2011 18:01 (five years ago) Permalink

lol xp

horseshoe, Thursday, 13 October 2011 18:01 (five years ago) Permalink

Bobos in mourning.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 13 October 2011 18:05 (five years ago) Permalink

I only brought up Frum because he's another guy who practically sounds like hand wringing.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 13 October 2011 18:05 (five years ago) Permalink

Frum's a smart feller but I've never quite forgiven him for:

http://gopbelgium.com/images/booklist/The%20Right%20Man%20by%20David%20Frum.gif

lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 13 October 2011 18:09 (five years ago) Permalink

i hate david frum and the things he has historically stood for but at least he's not a total waste of space

horseshoe, Thursday, 13 October 2011 18:09 (five years ago) Permalink

Not the right thread, but since we're posting remarks by GOP buffoons here's Douthat's latest dispatch from fantasyland.

lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 13 October 2011 19:42 (five years ago) Permalink

So Frum with some hand-wringing seemingly admitted yesterday that stimulus might have been necessary and now Douthat says stimulus would have been ok if it had been done by a President McCain (in a better way of course than the Dems did). Oy veh.

curmudgeon, Thursday, 13 October 2011 20:01 (five years ago) Permalink

oh douchehatpaws

unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 13 October 2011 20:22 (five years ago) Permalink

more like Ross don'tdouthat amirite

unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 13 October 2011 20:23 (five years ago) Permalink

my fav douthat moment was when i saw him interviewed on tv and the interviewer read a wonkete quote that called him a something like a misogynist neck beard homunculus and his response was all 'well sometimes you make arguments that work and sometimes they kinda fall flat but you know' and it was like dawg they just called u a homunculus

ice cr?m, Thursday, 13 October 2011 20:29 (five years ago) Permalink

lol

unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 13 October 2011 20:33 (five years ago) Permalink

In November 2009 I saw Douthat on a Friday at noon in the gay portion of Dupont Circle with a man-friend.

lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 13 October 2011 20:36 (five years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

haha wow: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/03/opinion/workers-of-the-world-unite.html

s.clover, Wednesday, 4 January 2012 02:57 (five years ago) Permalink

this turdball should write slashfic:

Occasionally you get a candidate, like Tim Pawlenty, who grew up working class. But he gets sucked up by the consultants, the donors and the professional party members and he ends up sounding like every other Republican. Other times a candidate will emerge who taps into a working-class vibe — Pat Buchanan, Mike Huckabee or Sarah Palin. But, so far, these have been flawed candidates who get buried under an avalanche of negative ads and brutal coverage.

This year, Romney is trying to establish some emotional bond with the working class by waging a hyperpatriotic campaign: I may be the son of a millionaire with a religion that makes you uncomfortable, but I love this country just like you. The strategy appears to be only a partial success.

Enter Rick Santorum.

lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 4 January 2012 02:59 (five years ago) Permalink

The country doesn’t want an election that is Harvard Law versus Harvard Law.

wait, hasn't david brooks spent years arguing that this is a perfectly good thing??

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 4 January 2012 03:32 (five years ago) Permalink

If you took a working-class candidate from the right, like Santorum, and a working-class candidate from the left, like Senator Sherrod Brown of Ohio, and you found a few islands of common ground, you could win this election by a landslide.

Brown was born in Mansfield, Ohio, the son of Emily (née Campbell) and Charles Gailey Brown, M.D.[1] He was named after his maternal grandfather. He became an Eagle Scout in 1967. He received a Bachelor of Arts degree in Russian studies from Yale University in 1974. At Yale, he was in Davenport College, the same residential college as U.S. Presidents George H. W. and George W. Bush

jhøshea nrq (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 4 January 2012 03:38 (five years ago) Permalink

and you found a few islands of common ground

Sometimes he sounds just like Tom Friedman

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 4 January 2012 05:18 (five years ago) Permalink

Has anyone read the Life Reports David Brooks has been running in the nytimes? It's a really good way to make yourself hopeless and depressed.

Nicole, Wednesday, 4 January 2012 14:37 (five years ago) Permalink

Otoh, you can probably say that about anything relating to David Brooks.

Nicole, Wednesday, 4 January 2012 14:37 (five years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/14/opinion/brooks-the-materialist-fallacy.html

had to physically restrain myself from ripping the skin off my face as I was reading this.

s.clover, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 18:08 (five years ago) Permalink

He really is such a dunce.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 18:33 (five years ago) Permalink

what the hell's he talking about

demolition with discretion (m coleman), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 20:29 (five years ago) Permalink

yogurt, I think

max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 21:51 (five years ago) Permalink

He is doing a little kid level response to the standard criticism of Murray's latest book

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 22:17 (five years ago) Permalink

more like Roast in Piss

happiness is the new productivity (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 16:22 (five years ago) Permalink

Please take a number, if you would like to be the next columnist/blogger/economist etc. to critique David Brooks' latest pronouncement:

Here's Dean Baker

http://www.cepr.net/index.php/blogs/beat-the-press/david-brooks-denounces-economics-is-biology-next

Brooks also has an interesting theory on the loss of skills. He tells readers:

"The American social fabric is now so depleted that even if manufacturing jobs miraculously came back we still would not be producing enough stable, skilled workers to fill them."

Five years ago we had two million more people employed in manufacturing than we do today. Has the social fabric become so depleted in this period that these people or others could now not fill these jobs if they came back? If Brooks really thinks that the ill effects of unemployment are that extreme he should be screaming for more stimulus in every column.

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 15 February 2012 21:11 (five years ago) Permalink

brooks recasts real world problems as a morality play in his role as conservative apologist: every david brooks column

lag∞n, Wednesday, 15 February 2012 21:14 (five years ago) Permalink

tho often i guess they are not so much real world problems as fake made up problems

lag∞n, Wednesday, 15 February 2012 21:15 (five years ago) Permalink

Today's helping, courtesy of a certain ilx alumnus: http://www.salon.com/2012/02/17/david_brooks_i_have_heard_of_jeremy_lin/singleton/

But even while grappling with the tension between religious values and contemporary cultural values, which is basically well within Brooks’ wheelhouse, he demonstrates a hilarious misunderstanding of sports, and what sports are “about,” because Mr. Brooks has been spending far too much time in his cloistered elite liberal media ivory tower munching on brie and arugula and not enough time among Real Americans in their “Sporting Taverns” watching “The Big Game” over a pint of mass-market domestic lager.

Spleen of Hearts (kingfish), Friday, 17 February 2012 21:59 (five years ago) Permalink

suspect beating up brooks when u need an easy column will outlast "analyzing" linsanity/linreality tbh

the fading ghost of schadenfreude whiplash (Hunt3r), Friday, 17 February 2012 22:24 (five years ago) Permalink

A few generations ago, teenagers went steady. But over the past decades, the dating relationship has been replaced by a more amorphous hook-up culture.

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 19:20 (five years ago) Permalink

a few generations ago, it was legal to marry a 15 year old

max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 19:28 (five years ago) Permalink

a few generations ago, interracial marriage was against the law

max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 19:28 (five years ago) Permalink

a few generations ago, bestiality was legal in Florida

ENERGY FOOD (en i see kay), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 19:36 (five years ago) Permalink

The half-century between 1912 and 1962 was a period of great wars and economic tumult but also of impressive social cohesion. Marriage rates were high. Community groups connected people across class

In the half-century between 1962 and the present, America has become more prosperous, peaceful and fair, but the social fabric has deteriorated. Social trust has plummeted. Society has segmented. The share of Americans born out of wedlock is now at 40 percent and rising.

Ah, the good ol' days..... If only married people had kids, we could have impressive social cohesion and a strong social fabric like we did before 1961, when only men could get decent jobs and we kept those darned negroes out of our good schools, restaurants, and bus seats....

everything else is secondary (Lee626), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 19:41 (five years ago) Permalink

beyond self-parody at this point

ploppawheelie V (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 00:26 (five years ago) Permalink

Burrata in Paradise

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 19:07 (one week ago) Permalink

hey I only learned about capicola after working at Miami Subs in the early '90s.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 19:07 (one week ago) Permalink

tbh I grew up in an area with a large italian immigrant base, have a family tradition where we get a bunch of meats/cheese from this local italian grocery around the holidays for a lunch, and even then we seldom branched out further from coppicola and basic salami

mh, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 19:08 (one week ago) Permalink

ha Alfred, I was just about to reminisce about my life-changing introduction to burrata, which was... 4 years ago?

this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 19:09 (one week ago) Permalink

actually I think we did get soppressata on occasion but never called it anything other than "dry salami"

mh, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 19:09 (one week ago) Permalink

Not to mention my mom thinks all foods w too much flavor are morally suspect, and cured meats like ham contain sodium nitrate and might give u cancer, so we were down to roast beef, sliced turkey, or PB&J for sandwiches p much. Peppercorn salami? As if.

Conic section rebellion 44 (in orbit), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 19:10 (one week ago) Permalink

actually I think we did get soppressata on occasion but never called it anything other than "dry salami"

^^^^^ this rings very true; my take was that there were many different types of salami but they were all called "salami" and it was kind of mindblowing to realize that they all had names I'd never learned

this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 19:10 (one week ago) Permalink

hey I only learned about capicola after working at Miami Subs in the early '90s.

yeah this stuff was on chain deli menus in the early 90s

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 19:12 (one week ago) Permalink

and we NEVER sold it. One time the manager put in an order for 14 capicola subs to fuck with us.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 19:15 (one week ago) Permalink

yeah this stuff was on chain deli menus in the early 90s

... where you grew up. They were hardly any chain delis where I grew up, let alone any with this stuff on the menu.

AND in the early 90s I was a broke college student who ate a good 99% of his meals on campus, so there was little-to-no opportunity for me to find a deli with this stuff on the menu.

There was a local sandwich place I used to go to in Back Bay that had an Italian sub with bunch of this stuff on it but I never knew what any of it was and, when I looked at the sandwich, it all looked like salami so I categorized it all as "salami" and stopped trying to sub-categorize.

this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 19:16 (one week ago) Permalink

there was a chain deli on my campus and I worked there but yes I did not live everywhere in the US

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 19:18 (one week ago) Permalink

I mean, the mexican place thing is a red herring for classist shit, too, because there are fancy places in that realm but they're still few and far between

Nobody is going to pass a quiz on the differences between Oaxaca cheese and asadero before they get their tacos

mh, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 19:19 (one week ago) Permalink

So would our terrified friend have been soothed by a simple explanation like "it's salami with tomato on bread"?

Moodles, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 19:19 (one week ago) Permalink

didn't mean to imply I was addressing yr personal experience anyway, just noting that my introduction to these items corresponded to Alfred's in timing/venue

xp

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 19:19 (one week ago) Permalink

because there are fancy places in that realm but they're still few and far between

in New York

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 19:20 (one week ago) Permalink

(which, last time I checked, generally has total garbage Mexican food - so maybe Brooks got what he deserved: a shitty lunch)

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 19:21 (one week ago) Permalink

in most places!

mh, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 19:21 (one week ago) Permalink

lol "most" you wanna poll some states

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 19:22 (one week ago) Permalink

So would our terrified friend have been soothed by a simple explanation like "it's salami with tomato on bread"?

― Moodles, Tuesday, July 11, 2017 2:19 PM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I think Brooks' description of his friend's demeanor was horrible but that is maybe the implication here, that he was too lazy to say this, or he had no idea himself

mh, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 19:23 (one week ago) Permalink

there's great Mexican food in West St Paul now thanks to immigration

this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 19:23 (one week ago) Permalink

CA, WA, OR, NM, AZ, NV, CO, TX, FL, IL = p big swathe of the country imo (and I'm probably leaving out some states just cuz I've never actually visited + eaten fancy mexican food in them)

xp

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 19:24 (one week ago) Permalink

there are a few threads where we've gotten into it, but the places able to charge higher rates for authentic mexican cuisine run into the same cost/authenticity/lineage questions that lead us to bringing up Rick Bayless and it's a related but different issue

mh, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 19:26 (one week ago) Permalink

eh I'm not touching the "authenticity" debate aspect

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 19:27 (one week ago) Permalink

Haaaaa

http://www.avclub.com/article/explaining-david-brooks-column-stupid-coworker-who-257938

As I explained to my grateful, greasy compatriot then—and as David Brooks so finely elucidated for us now—it was not their fault that the nation’s deeply entrenched class divisions fostered by systems built on institutionalized racism and economic disparity have left them so feeling marginalized. They just need to pull themselves by their Wonder Bread bags, stop eating gas station nachos, and get hip to David Foster Wallace, because that’s what’s really standing in their way

Bio-Digital Jezza (kingfish), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 20:42 (one week ago) Permalink

the plot thickens pic.twitter.com/dHEDsPXPIG

— KRANG T. NELSON (@KrangTNelson) July 11, 2017

André Ryu (Neil S), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 21:22 (one week ago) Permalink

which one of you is krang t nelson

André Ryu (Neil S), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 21:23 (one week ago) Permalink

that paragraph is pretty stupid but i'm surprised at the huge reaction to this

global tetrahedron, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 21:25 (one week ago) Permalink

not I, although he gets much respect for his antics

mh, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 21:26 (one week ago) Permalink

exactly^^ brooks conflates regional differences w/class distinctions

― busy bee starski (m coleman), Tuesday, July 11, 2017 12:37 PM (six hours ago) Bookmark

i think this is right. fwiw is this the menu of the best hoagie shop in the philly area:

http://i.imgur.com/Wc47x3A.png

http://www.thesiciliandeli.com/id10.html

they have a big NRA sticker on their front door and didn't take cards until like a year ago. i think most of the big hoagie shops in philly specify which cold cuts. i still don't know the difference between soprasetta and gobbagool or w/e fwiw

, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 22:50 (one week ago) Permalink

I can't even begin to explain how much better Mexican food is in the Twin Cities than it was 20 yrs ago.

- full disclosure: mediocre college educated (4 yr degree, state school), have read Infinite Jest, did not know those particular sandwich meats

Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 22:59 (one week ago) Permalink

now that's how you make a menu

mh, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 23:03 (one week ago) Permalink

xpost -- I gather all you had then were various Taco Johns.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 23:06 (one week ago) Permalink

c’mon man, we had Chi-Chis by then

mh, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 23:07 (one week ago) Permalink

(at first I misread that as Tasty Tacos and was confused since that’s a long-running local chain that you’d have to visit here to know. also, I ate lunch there)

mh, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 23:10 (one week ago) Permalink

I miss the Mexican food on lake st so bad sometimes.

JoeStork, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 23:12 (one week ago) Permalink

you can get capicola at frickin jimmy johns

j., Tuesday, 11 July 2017 23:26 (one week ago) Permalink

account of friend's horror needs more gabbagool

calstars, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 01:14 (one week ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EHFRYVxhd8

calstars, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 01:20 (one week ago) Permalink

c’mon man, we had Chi-Chis by then

― mh, Tuesday, July 11, 2017 6:07 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

jejejeje tu mamá tiene chichis

nice cage (m bison), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 01:22 (one week ago) Permalink

indeed

mh, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 01:44 (one week ago) Permalink

Gotta love talkin’ about David Brooks online. :-)

the ghost of markers, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 01:52 (one week ago) Permalink

As always respect 2 dayo 4 repping gloco's finest

layda be cry (los blue jeans), Thursday, 13 July 2017 11:56 (one week ago) Permalink

Theory: Brooks has begun elevating his "thought pieces" into edgy, meta-level performance art since marrying his intern. Like Andy Kaufman.

— D (@hereticalstoic) July 18, 2017

grawlix (unperson), Tuesday, 18 July 2017 21:41 (four days ago) Permalink

Comparing Brooks to Andy Kaufman is offensive in any context, ironic or not

flappy bird, Tuesday, 18 July 2017 21:44 (four days ago) Permalink

True. Brooks has made me laugh more than once. Kaufman, never.

grawlix (unperson), Tuesday, 18 July 2017 21:59 (four days ago) Permalink

good impression of brooks imo

qualx, Tuesday, 18 July 2017 22:06 (four days ago) Permalink

they've both been mostly dead since 1984

a brief spurt of enthusiasm (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 18 July 2017 22:09 (four days ago) Permalink

This is not a party that’s going to produce a lot of modern-day versions of Jack Kemp.

God bless David Brooks that he intends this as a criticism.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Friday, 21 July 2017 16:52 (yesterday) Permalink

Nice bit about Brooks-types(like Josh Barro and the Hamburger Problem):

https://thebaffler.com/the-jaundiced-eyeball/more-mush-from-the-taste-police

Bio-Digital Jezza (kingfish), Saturday, 22 July 2017 00:39 (fourteen hours ago) Permalink


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