RIP David Brooks

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not really

unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 13 October 2011 16:08 (twelve years ago) link

to be fair, his soul is dead

tylerw, Thursday, 13 October 2011 16:09 (twelve years ago) link

maybe, someday

am0n, Thursday, 13 October 2011 16:10 (twelve years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/tSGDs.png

ice cr?m, Thursday, 13 October 2011 16:16 (twelve years ago) link

He and E.J. Dionne on NPR are like a shrimp and goldfish floating in a thin gruel.

lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 13 October 2011 16:23 (twelve years ago) link

lol i am ded

am0n, Thursday, 13 October 2011 16:27 (twelve years ago) link

I always knew David Brooks was an asshole ....

curmudgeon, Thursday, 13 October 2011 17:53 (twelve years ago) link

Bump this thread whenever he dies.

RIP, hell needed a bunch of cretinous demographic catchphrases.

Axolotl with an Atlatl (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 13 October 2011 17:53 (twelve years ago) link

David Brooks epitomizes the kind of career pundit who always seems at least a tiny bit guilty that he gets paid at all. I used to think Frum was like that, too, though I heard an interesting sign-off from him on NPR yesterday, where he announced he was abdicating his point/counterpart position because he didn't feel his views currently aligned with that of "the right."

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 13 October 2011 18:00 (twelve years ago) link

Frum has more brains than Brooks.

lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 13 October 2011 18:00 (twelve years ago) link

frum is worth a million brookses, which says more about brooks than frum

horseshoe, Thursday, 13 October 2011 18:01 (twelve years ago) link

lol xp

horseshoe, Thursday, 13 October 2011 18:01 (twelve years ago) link

Bobos in mourning.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 13 October 2011 18:05 (twelve years ago) link

I only brought up Frum because he's another guy who practically sounds like hand wringing.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 13 October 2011 18:05 (twelve years ago) link

Frum's a smart feller but I've never quite forgiven him for:

http://gopbelgium.com/images/booklist/The%20Right%20Man%20by%20David%20Frum.gif

lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 13 October 2011 18:09 (twelve years ago) link

i hate david frum and the things he has historically stood for but at least he's not a total waste of space

horseshoe, Thursday, 13 October 2011 18:09 (twelve years ago) link

Not the right thread, but since we're posting remarks by GOP buffoons here's Douthat's latest dispatch from fantasyland.

lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 13 October 2011 19:42 (twelve years ago) link

So Frum with some hand-wringing seemingly admitted yesterday that stimulus might have been necessary and now Douthat says stimulus would have been ok if it had been done by a President McCain (in a better way of course than the Dems did). Oy veh.

curmudgeon, Thursday, 13 October 2011 20:01 (twelve years ago) link

oh douchehatpaws

unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 13 October 2011 20:22 (twelve years ago) link

more like Ross don'tdouthat amirite

unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 13 October 2011 20:23 (twelve years ago) link

my fav douthat moment was when i saw him interviewed on tv and the interviewer read a wonkete quote that called him a something like a misogynist neck beard homunculus and his response was all 'well sometimes you make arguments that work and sometimes they kinda fall flat but you know' and it was like dawg they just called u a homunculus

ice cr?m, Thursday, 13 October 2011 20:29 (twelve years ago) link

lol

unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 13 October 2011 20:33 (twelve years ago) link

In November 2009 I saw Douthat on a Friday at noon in the gay portion of Dupont Circle with a man-friend.

lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 13 October 2011 20:36 (twelve years ago) link

two months pass...

haha wow: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/03/opinion/workers-of-the-world-unite.html

s.clover, Wednesday, 4 January 2012 02:57 (twelve years ago) link

this turdball should write slashfic:

Occasionally you get a candidate, like Tim Pawlenty, who grew up working class. But he gets sucked up by the consultants, the donors and the professional party members and he ends up sounding like every other Republican. Other times a candidate will emerge who taps into a working-class vibe — Pat Buchanan, Mike Huckabee or Sarah Palin. But, so far, these have been flawed candidates who get buried under an avalanche of negative ads and brutal coverage.

This year, Romney is trying to establish some emotional bond with the working class by waging a hyperpatriotic campaign: I may be the son of a millionaire with a religion that makes you uncomfortable, but I love this country just like you. The strategy appears to be only a partial success.

Enter Rick Santorum.

lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 4 January 2012 02:59 (twelve years ago) link

The country doesn’t want an election that is Harvard Law versus Harvard Law.

wait, hasn't david brooks spent years arguing that this is a perfectly good thing??

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 4 January 2012 03:32 (twelve years ago) link

If you took a working-class candidate from the right, like Santorum, and a working-class candidate from the left, like Senator Sherrod Brown of Ohio, and you found a few islands of common ground, you could win this election by a landslide.

Brown was born in Mansfield, Ohio, the son of Emily (née Campbell) and Charles Gailey Brown, M.D.[1] He was named after his maternal grandfather. He became an Eagle Scout in 1967. He received a Bachelor of Arts degree in Russian studies from Yale University in 1974. At Yale, he was in Davenport College, the same residential college as U.S. Presidents George H. W. and George W. Bush

jhøshea nrq (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 4 January 2012 03:38 (twelve years ago) link

and you found a few islands of common ground

Sometimes he sounds just like Tom Friedman

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 4 January 2012 05:18 (twelve years ago) link

Has anyone read the Life Reports David Brooks has been running in the nytimes? It's a really good way to make yourself hopeless and depressed.

Nicole, Wednesday, 4 January 2012 14:37 (twelve years ago) link

Otoh, you can probably say that about anything relating to David Brooks.

Nicole, Wednesday, 4 January 2012 14:37 (twelve years ago) link

one month passes...

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/14/opinion/brooks-the-materialist-fallacy.html

had to physically restrain myself from ripping the skin off my face as I was reading this.

s.clover, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 18:08 (twelve years ago) link

He really is such a dunce.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 18:33 (twelve years ago) link

what the hell's he talking about

demolition with discretion (m coleman), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 20:29 (twelve years ago) link

yogurt, I think

max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 21:51 (twelve years ago) link

He is doing a little kid level response to the standard criticism of Murray's latest book

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 22:17 (twelve years ago) link

more like Roast in Piss

happiness is the new productivity (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 16:22 (twelve years ago) link

Please take a number, if you would like to be the next columnist/blogger/economist etc. to critique David Brooks' latest pronouncement:

Here's Dean Baker

http://www.cepr.net/index.php/blogs/beat-the-press/david-brooks-denounces-economics-is-biology-next

Brooks also has an interesting theory on the loss of skills. He tells readers:

"The American social fabric is now so depleted that even if manufacturing jobs miraculously came back we still would not be producing enough stable, skilled workers to fill them."

Five years ago we had two million more people employed in manufacturing than we do today. Has the social fabric become so depleted in this period that these people or others could now not fill these jobs if they came back? If Brooks really thinks that the ill effects of unemployment are that extreme he should be screaming for more stimulus in every column.

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 15 February 2012 21:11 (twelve years ago) link

brooks recasts real world problems as a morality play in his role as conservative apologist: every david brooks column

lag∞n, Wednesday, 15 February 2012 21:14 (twelve years ago) link

tho often i guess they are not so much real world problems as fake made up problems

lag∞n, Wednesday, 15 February 2012 21:15 (twelve years ago) link

Today's helping, courtesy of a certain ilx alumnus: http://www.salon.com/2012/02/17/david_brooks_i_have_heard_of_jeremy_lin/singleton/

But even while grappling with the tension between religious values and contemporary cultural values, which is basically well within Brooks’ wheelhouse, he demonstrates a hilarious misunderstanding of sports, and what sports are “about,” because Mr. Brooks has been spending far too much time in his cloistered elite liberal media ivory tower munching on brie and arugula and not enough time among Real Americans in their “Sporting Taverns” watching “The Big Game” over a pint of mass-market domestic lager.

Spleen of Hearts (kingfish), Friday, 17 February 2012 21:59 (twelve years ago) link

suspect beating up brooks when u need an easy column will outlast "analyzing" linsanity/linreality tbh

the fading ghost of schadenfreude whiplash (Hunt3r), Friday, 17 February 2012 22:24 (twelve years ago) link

A few generations ago, teenagers went steady. But over the past decades, the dating relationship has been replaced by a more amorphous hook-up culture.

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 19:20 (twelve years ago) link

a few generations ago, it was legal to marry a 15 year old

max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 19:28 (twelve years ago) link

a few generations ago, interracial marriage was against the law

max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 19:28 (twelve years ago) link

a few generations ago, bestiality was legal in Florida

ENERGY FOOD (en i see kay), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 19:36 (twelve years ago) link

The half-century between 1912 and 1962 was a period of great wars and economic tumult but also of impressive social cohesion. Marriage rates were high. Community groups connected people across class

In the half-century between 1962 and the present, America has become more prosperous, peaceful and fair, but the social fabric has deteriorated. Social trust has plummeted. Society has segmented. The share of Americans born out of wedlock is now at 40 percent and rising.

Ah, the good ol' days..... If only married people had kids, we could have impressive social cohesion and a strong social fabric like we did before 1961, when only men could get decent jobs and we kept those darned negroes out of our good schools, restaurants, and bus seats....

everything else is secondary (Lee626), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 19:41 (twelve years ago) link

beyond self-parody at this point

ploppawheelie V (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 00:26 (twelve years ago) link

can we talk about how he pulled all the toppings off the burger

frogbs, Friday, 22 September 2023 02:54 (five months ago) link

ahahahhaa okay the smokehouse's response is very very funny. this right here is a proper clowning

frogbs, Friday, 22 September 2023 02:57 (five months ago) link

xp I noticed that as well. Why not just order a plain burger?

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Friday, 22 September 2023 03:05 (five months ago) link

😂

The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 22 September 2023 10:06 (five months ago) link

There are so many better ways he could’ve tried to make this point, even without the booze

The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 22 September 2023 10:06 (five months ago) link

Well, hew could just die.

hat trick of trashiness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 22 September 2023 11:57 (five months ago) link

It would be his first ever contribution to humanity.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Friday, 22 September 2023 12:31 (five months ago) link

every kinder & gentler "reasonable" t.v. republican can go fuck themselves. i can't stand seeing them at all anywhere. that goes for that smug fuckhead chris sununu too. and chris christie. and all of them. jesus they are all so terrible how can they ALL be terrible...?????????

(my dad watches a lot of cable news. i get to hear every single question answered on cable news with the word: "Look...." "Look, here's where Trump is right now..." "Look, here's the real deal from me a former White House lawyer..." "Look, at the end of the day..." you could have one hell of a drinking game watching CNN.)

scott seward, Friday, 22 September 2023 14:05 (five months ago) link

Double scotches at a Newart airport bar even!

hat trick of trashiness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 22 September 2023 14:11 (five months ago) link

Double scotches on the Times' dime.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 22 September 2023 14:41 (five months ago) link

Anxious Bo-Bo

Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Friday, 22 September 2023 15:00 (five months ago) link

jesus they are all so terrible how can they ALL be terrible...?????????

Centrist scolds, the Brookses, the McArdles, the Yglesiases, they speak with such authority for people who have never been right about a single fucking thing and keep getting shown their own ass in Technicolor.

— steve albini (@electricalWSOP) September 22, 2023

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 22 September 2023 19:07 (five months ago) link

The Brookses, the McArdles, the Yglesiases

new Game of Thrones spin-off sounds bad

Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Friday, 22 September 2023 19:10 (five months ago) link

Game of Choads

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Friday, 22 September 2023 21:14 (five months ago) link

good rundown of all the ways david brooks has been weird about restaurants:
https://maxread.substack.com/p/what-is-it-with-david-brooks-and

jaymc, Friday, 22 September 2023 22:06 (five months ago) link

I think my man is just toasted

treeship., Friday, 22 September 2023 22:47 (five months ago) link

The official NJ Twitter account has come for him now:

Hey @nytdavidbrooks, here’s what $78 at Smoke House actually looks like 😉

(ordered at their Trenton location) pic.twitter.com/2UgFlIvSPJ

— New Jersey (@NJGov) September 22, 2023

read-only (unperson), Friday, 22 September 2023 22:48 (five months ago) link

It would be a start, now play out the logic and stop writing, period:

>> @nytdavidbrooks: "I screwed up. I should not have written that tweet. I probably should not write any tweets." #NeverTweet pic.twitter.com/NECpWRA1pG

— Brian Stelter (@brianstelter) September 23, 2023

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 23 September 2023 14:58 (five months ago) link

four months pass...

So it was my mom's birthday, and I was feeling sappy, so I sent my mom this really sweet email in which I thanked her for instilling in me a lifelong love of learning.

Her response started out "That's funny. I am reading this book by David Brooks who spends a lot of time talking about how to know other people in today's divided world..."

Well, I'll talk to her again next year.

Kate (rushomancy), Wednesday, 24 January 2024 02:08 (one month ago) link

God damn it.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 24 January 2024 02:16 (one month ago) link

No! It's like a pulling someone out of wet cement - you got to tackle the problem NOW before that shit is literally set in stone!

birdistheword, Wednesday, 24 January 2024 19:25 (one month ago) link

For many, reading David Brooks is the best way to begin hating David Brooks

Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Wednesday, 24 January 2024 19:36 (one month ago) link

cruel revive

dead precedents (sleeve), Wednesday, 24 January 2024 19:37 (one month ago) link

No! It's like a pulling someone out of wet cement - you got to tackle the problem NOW before that shit is literally set in stone!

― birdistheword

She's my mom. I'm not her mom. It was stupid and self-destructive of me to even try and talk to her after what she did to me. I'm grateful to her for reminding me of that right off the bat.

So I guess, uh... thank you David Brooks for reminding me to stop talking to my abusive mother?

Kate (rushomancy), Wednesday, 24 January 2024 20:38 (one month ago) link

David Brooks: Favorite pundit of abusive mothers everywhere

Kate (rushomancy), Wednesday, 24 January 2024 20:38 (one month ago) link

Apologies Kate, I didn't know your family history beyond that single post.

birdistheword, Wednesday, 24 January 2024 20:56 (one month ago) link

Haha no worries it's not like I provided a great deal of context. I mean if it's funnier to you to think that I decided to stop talking to my mom, who is otherwise a kind, loving, and caring person, simply because she happened to read a David Brooks book, by all means Barthes the fuck out of my post. That's kind of why I made that post, because I thought it would be kind of funny.

Kate (rushomancy), Wednesday, 24 January 2024 21:09 (one month ago) link

Bobos in Hate

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 24 January 2024 21:12 (one month ago) link

it's a real struggle for me to communicate the absolute tragedy and pathos i felt in that conversation. it's indicative of something larger. like, she legitimately is more emotionally invested in the writing of david brooks than she is in the life of her own daughter. she legitimately, i think, legitimately has no idea what she's doing wrong, what she's done wrong. she's the smartest person i've ever known, which is saying a lot, but i could never explain to her why her following up my trying to emotionally connect with her by talking about a _david brooks_ book made me cut bait as an act of self-preservation.

there's a whole world of people like me who have these kinds of fraught relationships with our parents. i've read that book "adult children of emotionally immature parents". the one that got me was "down the rabbit hole: the world of estranged parents' forums":

https://www.issendai.com/psychology/estrangement/

i read this and i understood so much more about, like, the theory of mind that leads my mom to act in the ways she's acted all her life.

and maybe this is a thread swerve and isn't _about_ david brooks per se, but to me it's part of a larger trend, it's part of the toxic influence of neoliberalism. like my mom always had problems, and as a result of those problems she engaged in severely abusive behavior towards her kids, and even now i don't think of her as _irredeemable_. she's just not someone who _i_ can heal or make better. there's a lot of talk about "social contagion" and for me, that's one of the reasons i got the hell out of indiana. because i was afraid of becoming like her. it's something i worry a lot about. i don't think she's a bad person. she just doesn't know what she's doing wrong, and at this point, i've accepted the strong possibility that she never will. that's why i'll say sometimes that i'm waiting for her to die. i love her deeply, and right now, she's only _capable_ of hurting me. it really helped me a lot when my dad died. it took a load off my chest. because, again, he was stupid and fucked up and so guilt-ridden over abandoning us that he didn't answer the phone when i called. i kept trying, though, because as long as someone's alive, it's not too late. it was this self-defeating cycle. yes, he abandoned us, yes, we suffered a great deal after he abandoned us, and i couldn't get across to him that i legitimately didn't give a shit, that he was still my dad, and that even though his actions hurt me a lot i still loved him and wanted him in my life. we couldn't ever talk about the real shit like that.

and it's the same way with my mom, with most of my family. we can't talk about the real shit, for the most part. i talk about my feelings and she talks about some horrible book she's reading, and she argues in this... i mean, you know, you've seen it, the "debate me" people who come on like they're being all rational but are deeply emotionally driven. my mom is very good at putting an intellectual veneer on her cruelty. she's very good at justifying and making excuses for herself. she's very bad at acknowledging or accepting responsibility for her behavior.

that's kind of what frames my view on discourse, where that comes from. i learned that pattern of behavior from her, and i put it into practice, often, in my younger years. discourse, particularly internet discourse, _thrives_ on that sort of abusive behavior. i really internalized the idea that that sort of behavior was... not normal, but _righteous_, that it was _righteous_ to behave that way. i don't think it is today. i think it's dishonest and cruel to treat another human being that way, particularly to treat your own child that way.

i don't blame david brooks for that, but i think the intellectual tradition he represents is, honestly, a harmful social contagion, a form of trauma inflicted on and by people who can't get away from it. a basilisk. i guess el sandifer wrote a book about that once, right? _neoreaction, a basilisk_? it's probably good. i haven't read it. i don't really read books about discourse. any of them could turn out to be basilisks. what's more important to me is that my relationship with my mom has been very painful for a very long time, and david brooks happens to be a good symbolic representation of that pain.

Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, 25 January 2024 02:11 (one month ago) link

kate, i got a wildly abusive xmas card from my mom just a few weeks ago. i opened it, started to read it, tore it apart, put the pieces back together, read the whole thing twice. the next week or so was a little rough but the clarity from that - that i had made the right choice to cut her off two years ago - was really invigorating, and i walked into the new year grateful to be rid of the poison and growing on my own. ask her not to contact you unless she is ready to take responsibility for her abuse (keep it to 1 sentence) and cut her off completely. block on all channels. she can send you a letter in the mail if she has a change of heart, but she won't. no contact. stop the poison from flowing to you. you deserve better. the years will pass and there will be hard moments and the grief won't end but you will grow and know that you made the right decision.

ꙮ (map), Thursday, 25 January 2024 02:55 (one month ago) link

Ok can this just be a thread about Davis Brooks ffs

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Thursday, 25 January 2024 03:35 (one month ago) link

thanks map :heart:

Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, 25 January 2024 03:38 (one month ago) link

I'm still waiting for the announcement of his demise.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Thursday, 25 January 2024 16:46 (one month ago) link

Grim Reaper doesn't want to go near him

Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Thursday, 25 January 2024 17:04 (one month ago) link

thanks map :heart:

― Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, January 25, 2024 3:38 AM (seventeen hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

you're welcome babe

ꙮ (map), Thursday, 25 January 2024 21:33 (one month ago) link

two weeks pass...

Doth he not have feels.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/08/opinion/trump-republicans-immigration.html

Ned Raggett, Friday, 9 February 2024 16:30 (two weeks ago) link

Down at the bottom: "READ 1230 COMMENTS"

No, I don't think I will.

Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Friday, 9 February 2024 16:33 (two weeks ago) link

He thought he was beyond shockable

symsymsym, Friday, 9 February 2024 16:39 (two weeks ago) link

"are we the baddies????"

Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Friday, 9 February 2024 16:41 (two weeks ago) link

My progressive readers are now thinking: Have you not been paying attention? Donald Trump has owned this party for years. If he told them to kill the immigration compromise because he needed a campaign issue, they were going to kill that proposal.

To which I respond: I don’t think you quite understand what just happened.

Do go on.

Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Friday, 9 February 2024 17:05 (two weeks ago) link

"Let me recount my dinner conversation with my wife, who I think, as I told her at the time, doesn't quite understand what just happened"

Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Friday, 9 February 2024 17:37 (two weeks ago) link

this man is a walking definition of fatuity

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, 9 February 2024 20:24 (two weeks ago) link

They have to mouth the Trumpian prejudices to survive in this era, but somewhere deep inside, the party of Reagan still lives in their souls.

Uff da

Rich E. (Eric H.), Friday, 9 February 2024 20:31 (two weeks ago) link

it doesn't matter a damn what's deep inside their souls because they sold their souls to Trump and are no longer in possession of them

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, 9 February 2024 20:35 (two weeks ago) link

"souls"

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 9 February 2024 20:57 (two weeks ago) link

lol the party of Reagan is where the problems really started, asshole

Surfin' burbbhrbhbbhbburbbb (sleeve), Friday, 9 February 2024 22:03 (two weeks ago) link

when will this fucker really die, c'mon 2024

Surfin' burbbhrbhbbhbburbbb (sleeve), Friday, 9 February 2024 22:03 (two weeks ago) link

seriously, thread lets me down time and again

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Friday, 9 February 2024 23:23 (two weeks ago) link

LOL I know. Every damn time.

Seriously, "the party of Reagan." I spent the Reagan years protesting his illegal wars, go fuck yourself.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Friday, 9 February 2024 23:37 (two weeks ago) link

Spouse suggested that I love to hate on DB the way I watched 60 Minutes to hate on Andy Rooney back in the day, but it is truly a different thing with me and Brooks

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Saturday, 10 February 2024 03:52 (two weeks ago) link


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