Hillary Clinton: Classic or Dud?

sorry for complaining karl it's just the thousandth time i've seen those opinions this year/month

oh jeez, no problem! as i typed my south park comment into the top 100 albums of the 2000s countdown i knew i should reconsider ;)

but then i did it anyway because hey, nothing matters!

lol, ok that is my last SP joke on ilx, i promise

the notion that there is one batch of human babies who handled the problems of their age differently than another batch in the same circumstances would...it's a head scratcher for me.

for real tho!

Boomers, as a generation, have a particular talent for taking personal credit for everything they consider to be good, whether that be the adoption of yogurt as a staple food in the West or Ending Racism Forever, while at the same time utterly disclaiming all responsibility for anything they think of as a bad thing as not being real, or if it is real certainly having nothing to do with them, whether that be the way yogurt was arbitrarily made a gendered food in the West or, you know, all the racist policies implemented by Boomers.

rushomancy, I give boomers credit for yoghurt becoming a grocery staple in North America for the simple reason that boomers provided a greatly increased pool of customers who wanted to buy and eat yoghurt, which was required to shift it from a specialty item to a widespread staple. Our appetite for the product stimulated its distribution. It certainly wasn't my parents generation who embraced yoghurt with enthusiasm and the market transformation had mostly been completed by the early 80s, too soon for a new generation to be much involved in it. You are welcome to dispute this.

As for your assertion that in your experience 'boomers repeatedly insisted that only girls ate yogurt', I never disputed this was your experience. I only asserted my own experience as a counterpoint, which experience is that no person has ever said in my presence that "only girls eat yoghurt". And that is true. No one ever has. You can dispute the truth of this, but only by calling me a liar, which is groundless and rather ugly.

You are welcome to your generalizations about boomers. I think they are no more accurate than most broad-brush stereotypes, meaning they are partly true and wholly false, like black people loving watermelon. But humans habitually make generalizations and regulate their opinions and actions in accordance with them, so I can hardly fault you for being as human as I am. I just ask you to look at yourself making them and ask how helpful they are to you. If they help you in some important way, great. Otherwise, I find it's good to handle mine with caution.

I remember typing yogurt as "yoghurt" in a group chat around 2005 with my peers and getting clowned endlessly

"yogurt" is the North American grocery staple

I may still be yog hurt by the mocking, tbh

You are welcome to your generalizations about boomers. I think they are no more accurate than most broad-brush stereotypes, meaning they are partly true and wholly false, like black people loving watermelon.

― A is for (Aimless)

...and now you've called me the real racist. congrats, that's the boomer trifecta. my work here is done.

hey, who wants to talk about hillary clinton?

wow I've missed a lot

...and now you've called me the real racist. congrats

oh, come off it. that's a pile of bullcrap and you ought to be sensible enough to know what it is I really said, which was... well read the fucking prose on your screen. it has a clear enough meaning and it came nowhere near "calling you the real racist". but you are being a real asshole.

I’ve had two different people tell me they think Hillary’s thinking about jumping into the primary race so far this week after my vacation away from this country and I’m aghast

Deadlocked convention 2020: Bah gawd, that's Hillary's music!

cue "Fight Song"

btw, if I ever, for any reason, wanted to call you "the real racist" I would say "you are the real racist", because that would convey my meaning in the clearest and most direct way possible. however, that is not what I think, or what I wanted to say, or convey, or imply. racism is not involved anywhere in the stereotypes about boomers that you have promulgated here. you just have extremely negative feelings about boomers and obviously feel no compunction in making sweeping negative stereotyping statements about them.

I asked you to consider whether these were in any way useful, other than to vent your bile at a group that is FAR more diverse and interesting than you are willing to give them credit for being. You couldn't even do that much. Instead, you bit me. Thanks. I really appreciated it.

But we were wrong about emails!

There is something deeply wrong with the NYT, that they would publish that thing without taking stock of the part they themselves played. Absolutely pathetic.

my parents are boomers and they complain about their peers more than anyone I know, although they tend to not say "boomers"

just a baseline unease with how their cohort in the upper middle class lost track of ideals. the thing that's lost in generational categorization is this constant: anyone who maintains working class status, especially those without the ability to retire, are seldom lumped into a generational category. it's flat: if you're broke, you're broke

I thought there are lots of studies that boomers have higher rates of divorce, suicide, unhappiness. But at the same time I guess those are the only people currently in that age bracket so we can't really compare. Most do seem deeply unhappy though.

don't they label it something like, toxic nostalgia for a false world.

this is incredible pic.twitter.com/PSFDxja1it

— the wholelottared wanter (@poolsideconvooo) December 5, 2019

It's been far too many hours since we last discussed Hillary Clinton or how badly she is governing the country during her retirement.

Biden is worse

otoh Biden didn't hang out at Epstein's weird ranch repeatedly (to our knowledge)

when Fridays are slow, revive a Clinton thread. I always say!

so incredible that someone wanted to stop ethnic cleansing

Slow Saturday morning revive:

Wow. Howard Stern and Hillary Clinton mocking Bernie for offering free college: “Chocolate milk for everybody!” pic.twitter.com/ScTosMv4KE

— Ibrahim (@ibrahimpols) December 6, 2019

Had anyone ever been so bitter about an intra-party opponent they defeated?

Heh. Not to my knowledge, no.

Trumpian tbh

the one thread i wish was named in the style of RIP David Brooks

more like Trump than even I realized

Stern brings out the best in people.

If I recall correctly, she said almost that exact same thing in her book about the 2016 election, that Sanders kept trying to outdo her by offering wild, impossible, immature promises. She's the worst.

Yeah, she quoted the whole FB meme about Sanders promising ponies.

hello folks

https://imgur.com/3FSi8Ld.jpg

what the

t/s: smooth bernie vs smooth hillary

xps - that looks to me like perhaps it merges an image of HRC with Nancy Pelosi, but whatever it is, it is not an image of any person now living or dead.

"nobody likes him"

she's a Heather

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/479097-clinton-weighs-in-on-sanders-nobody-likes-him-nobody-wants-to-work-with-him

Ugh

the war has begun, right on time w/ BS stuck in the Senate for weeks

mount up and ride toward the sound of the guns

"I won't campaign for him" -> very considerate, actually

to be fair, if i spent my life in politics and ran for president with the high level support and resources she had -- and then lost to trump, i would be a bitter shell of myself too

something about her inspires sympathy, i don't know. like everyone in the world learned about the details of her husband's infidelity, then she got dragged through that satanic 2016 election --with a large portion of the electorate coming to believe she was into ritual sacrifice or whatever pizzagate said -- these things are hard

and she bears it all with like, such a grim sense of humor, only occasionally letting on how much seething hatred she has for the world.

i'd rather read a novel about her than bernie, i'll say that.

so why do we care what Clinton thinks?

bc she is a metaphor of a dying empire

might be a prelude of things to come from Dem establishment folks if Bernie manages to get the nomination

I mean, she's not an unimportant figure. Lots of people preferred Sanders but still supported and respected Clinton.