I'm an alcoholic

As an aside

Jesus Christ boys, the fuckin acid reflux.

thats the fuckin truth but

sorry thread turned to shit

ianaa but im on passing filial terms or have been bytimes with a few doozies and sincere good luck to all dealing regardless of inclination to discuss bodies/poop itt

I am glad bodies shit out most of the mass they consume instead of growing and growing until they are stars. Stars for my mean dad, the king.

being sick is not a bad thing. it's ok to be diseased.

Other del, this seems like an irresponsible and insensitive thing to post on a thread that was only bumped because one of our own, some guy named sleeve, felt strongly enough about his sickness that he would go to this channel for some support in fighting it. It's sort of the whole point of this thread. No one using it for their intended purpose needs to know about gut flora research, read drunk peoples thought experiments, or hear excuses about how we can be one with everything, including sickness. Just, no. Knowing what I know about recovery-seeking among the powerless, they want literature pertinent to that mode of thought. Is it too much to ask that we resist the impulse to channel the shittiest imitation of kerouac we can muster, and instead simply support (or simply not not support) someone we may want to pretend is our friend?

Been having a rough go of it, and things are slated to get harder--hoping for recommendations on managing urges when in a minefield of triggers.

What are your triggers?

"Stars for my mean dad, the king" this is my favorite GYBE/Mogwai collaboration album!

Let’s stay focused ppl

I know this won’t seem like a big deal maybe but I am 48 hours smoke-free— down from 10-15 a day overnight

I know that at hour 73 it’s like angels singing and I feel like I can run 10 miles so I’m holding on through it

Weird how stress/anxiety alleviation brings back your capacity toward discipline

xps yo del griffith thanks for that supportive post, really appreciate it. sorry for late response.

9 days, things are good, 12-step is good and I'm lucky I clicked with the 1st group

I'm even more of a soda snob than I was before, was always a fan

had lime-coriander bitters in soda with simple while I DJd last night at the local bar, hell yeah.

Get it, dogg. I will never not like hearing success stories about people setting and respecting limits for themselves.

The butters and soda trick is revelatory it’s like “ok hanging out in bars while sober isn’t so bad”. A few places in LA used to assume I was DD and give them to me for free

what is the protocol re: n/a drinks at bars? on the rare occasion that I'm in one these days, and order a club soda, I expect not to be charged. Esp if I'm among a group of boozers. Am I out of line?

I always get charged for bitters and soda but it's $2, don't care.

plain water i would not pay for but anything else -- even water with lime -- i tip a dollar at least. someone has to wash that glass and it beats paying $8 for a beer.

otm

good luck / strength re smoking, flambo!

Thank you! I have a craving every minute or so, and then a “what could be wrong with just one” subroutine, followed by a “no, no, you are so happy right now without them”, and then a dopamine rush of self-righteousness

grab that rush, it’s how I quit smoking

sleeve, you may like this article. It's about a master somm who has been sober for 25 years. He does a lot of current work on the physiology and cultural differences of tasting.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/cathyhuyghe/2017/08/09/alcoholism-and-addiction-in-the-wine-industry-a-candid-perspective-from-a-master-of-wine/#3e8f46b76ce7

derp, he's a master of wine not master somm.

haha like I would know the difference

thanks :)

This is a thread for ILXors ON THE WAGON (and for the Wagon Curious)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibx8JpIIq28

this is gonna start with a bunch of whining but it gets positive by the end!

my sad little journey started two and a half years ago, with a bar calling an ambulance on me for my violently excessive drinking, which brought me to the hospital and helped me delude myself that quitting my then-quality job was somehow a good idea, i believe it is outlined above. ended up going through 30-day treatment which eventually made me pretty cynical about the recovery industry in the united states, it was basically a month of barely-facilitated AA meetings dominated by racist electricians from iowa (but with once a week access to hot tubs!). it also stuck me with a massive bill of $xx,xxx (won't say precise amount). after treatment i supported myself via multiple minimum-wage jobs with terrible hours which only increased my misery, was waffling between months of sobriety and weeks of benders. tried many AA meetings but they alternately depressed me or alienated me. but due to some perseverance, my previous work background, and some major luck i scored an extremely quality position a year or so ago which massively helped me, healthwise. it's almost as if your means and life situation are contributing factors to your mental health?

even with this new job i did need some 1:1 therapy and tried to do that as best i could (then got stuck with another multi-thousand bill under the tutelage of an ex drunk who would actually interrupt me while i was trying to share my thoughts! apparently to be a LADC in my state doesn't really require much, i think he was using his role to maintain his own sobriety).

anyway, even with severe debt and after trying a lot of the typically suggested conventional recovery things i started taking naltrexone via the sinclair method. naltrexone is an inhibitor which suppresses your brain's reward system towards booze and slowly deprograms your love for alcohol. it has done wonders for me, i still drink a little too much, but i wake up early every morning, and am doing quite well in most parts of my life even through COVID and quarantine which honestly would have killed me before. my drinking dropped by 50% almost instantly, and it continues to slowly drop. my life has never been better career, work, or relationship-wise. also you can fucking die from going cold turkey and from my on and off the wagon approach (look up kindling) and i am sure i was on that path... in fact at one point i did have auditory and visual hallucinations and was very close to a seizure. i don't want to evangelize but this has helped me so much and if anyone out there is looking for a different way to recover in your own way please DM me!

also, fuck the USA, our healthcare system, and our doctrinaire approach to 'recovery' and beyond. even bill w was okay with psychedelics

glad you’re alive and doing better!

six months without a drink felt hard towards the end so i gave myself two nice strong belgian beers but I didn’t enjoy the experience at all. I think i may have finally programmed myself off of alcohol for good. pot, luck, somewhat fanatical exercise, love were helpful in my case.

pot, luck

lol

any time i've quit for an extended period of time beer totally resumes its original vile profile for me. it's like "oh i taught myself this was good"

<3 to you global tetrahedon, glad you're doing better

The recovery industry in the US is so incredibly uneven, it makes me crazy. I had the kind of rehab experience that everyone should have--including people who don't have a substance use problem! Top-notch staff with actual graduate degrees, strong medical support, plenty of fresh air and opportunities for exercise (this is important), excellent and nourishing food (this is also important!), emphasis on getting good sleep and enough rest overall (very important!). No 12-stepping; lots of informed, evidence-based psychoeducation and individual/family counseling. Seriously, everyone should get to go do this. Oh and it was covered by my insurance (which I was lucky enough to have).

I have no idea what the ratio of high-quality rehabs to crap rehabs may be, but my guess is dismal.

Pro tip: avoid rehabs in Florida. That place seems to be a total recovery shitshow.

Good luck, global.

I've a buddy who's a therapist at a Palm Beach County rehab. He's said you wouldn't believe the four or five celebrities who've passed through (and returned).

I know someone who blabbed about the celebrities in his AA group. Seemed shitty.

My friend mentioned no names.

i agree that everyone (including non addicts!) should do some kind of (quality) rehab

the one i was at seemed to be fueled by union types. i guess they have the good insurance and the construction industry is rife with substance problems. but this often made sessions feel like one was out at the job site

naltrexone (and its injectable, vivitrol) is great, i recommend it (and the sinclair method) all the time

good for you, global, and good luck

glad to hear things are going well, global

yes, loved reading your post

agree that everyone (including non addicts!) should do some kind of (quality) rehab

if only there were some kind of effective rehab program for addiction to wealth in excess of one's basic needs.

my favourite uncle died yesterday at 60 years old. of my mum's 3 brothers, all younger than her, he lived the longest. the oldest died at 50 of a heart attack 12 years ago. the youngest died at 56 of a stroke 2 years ago, he had been suffering from throat cancer and an aggressive prostate cancer, both of which were terminal and inoperable. all 3 of them were drinkers. the youngest was a classic alcoholic archetype and chain-smoker. the other two were respectable, successful men, never drank to the stage of foolishness, didn't drink at home, and didn't drink spirits, just pints, but were in the pub every day of their lives that it was at all possible. you might also call them alcoholics. we have no familial predisposition towards heart disease.

i quit drinking in september. i sort of hate sobriety. i think about drink a lot. when i think about my uncle who passed away yesterday and the way he drank - for fun, socially, having a good laugh, with a pleasant meal, really enjoying life, knowing everyone who drank in the local pub and being part of a community, i find it hard to say it would be better if he had lived a sober life and not died yesterday. it would've been an utterly different life, devoid of many of its chief pleasures. but i know my own propensity for drinking like my other uncle, the alcoholic, who would drink mainly in the pub, but until absolutely obliterated, and would drink at home alone when the pub closed, and was asking my grandmother for money as a middle-aged man, because he'd spent all his perfectly respectable wage packet from working as a joiner on booze.

i wish i hadn't grown up somewhere where the pub was the agora. if id been viennese instead of glasgwegian would this even by an issue?

Tell me about it, jim.

One of my uncle's died last year of prostate cancer. He was one of the few ones who'd stopped drinking and wasn't an alcoholic. The NHS couldn't help him because his kidneys were gone and he had left his condition untreated until it got terminal. I had to explain to mum that although he'd been teetotal for years, he was still chain-smoking rollups and also often buying speed off old dodgy smackhead friends of mine, it's amazing he lived as long as he did taking that shit.

Good exploration of the cultural continuum of alcohol dependency jim

The mother's side have/had it bad (two from six nonfunctional, one functional, one married a fuckin *worldie*) but culturally it's very notable how it has seriously dwindled into the next generation. Quick mental survey of the forty cousins i know of on that side we have only one who would compare and he got it from his father rather than my aunt

Materfamilias herself was, and i forget the exact multiplier, four or five times over the old driving limit the night she burned the house down, and had been out of her mind riddled for at least the decade before that but likelier closer to twice that tbh (my memories of extreme parental drunkenness and the ensuing mess rank among my earliest)

The aul fellas side are very respectable, would drink more like the "better" version you describe- especially the men, fishermen/businessmen who've progressed to a bottle of chardonnay a night (every night) rather than brawling twice a week after vodka binges. The aulfella himself the worst of them tbh.

Of us four boys one cannot/shouldnt drink and took twenty years to know it, one took almost as long to learn how he could and couldnt, one doesnt socialise at all and one never drank, very pointedly so.

Im the one who has learned how i can drink, but thats in the irish context tbf- its not like im the one holding back at a fap or anything.

So yeah, its complicated

And sympathies on yr uncle and luck with the drinking yrself

thanks, deems

Wow.

I'm as steady as she goes (every night), fairly high functioning as things go, and unlikely to make changes. I wish jim and others in this thread the best with their decisions and say that they are probably the correct ones.

Jim fwiw just about everyone I've ever known says that the not drinking thing gets easier and less suckish over time, which has been my experience as well. I no longer think about drinking very much, and when I do it is more a wistful thing, nothing like an actual craving. I sometimes have FOMO but then I remember that because I am only one person living my one life I am going to miss out on most things anyway, so why get too worked up about it.

It's pretty nuts how incredibly drinky western culture is. To be outside of that takes getting used to, for sure.