This is a thread for ILXors ON THE WAGON (and for the Wagon Curious)

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We do have the "I'm an alcoholic" thread, but the word "alcoholic" can be off-putting and not sufficiently inclusive of all the various reasons for and approaches to Going On the Wagon.

So this is a thread about Not Drinking Alcohol: thinking about it or already there, long-term or short-term, drinking problem or no drinking problem, all welcome, don't be a jerk.

I personally find it meaningful to hear from other people who are Not Drinking for whatever reason. My own reason can be summed up as high-functioning-problem-drinker and I availed myself of plenty of help to quit.

What's your relationship with The Wagon?

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Sunday, 8 September 2019 15:45 (five months ago) link

oh hi, thanks! yeah I'm not drinking for the foreseeable future while I get my shit together, but it's not the primary driver of the problems - it just greases the rails and numbs the pain. So this thread feels appropriate.

2 weeks today, gonna go for at least 3 months and then see what's up with the other issues.

sleeve, Sunday, 8 September 2019 15:48 (five months ago) link

I found things got significantly easier after 3 weeks.

Not drinking has been tremendously helpful to me for dealing with the issues driving the drinking. I really couldn't have worked on them with any success while still drinking, though I god knows I tried!

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Sunday, 8 September 2019 15:52 (five months ago) link

thank you, that is encouraging

this Naked Mind book recommended in the other thread seems kind of new agey in a creepy Marianne Williamson way, but I will give it a fair shake even though the author talks about her mysterious back pain that no doctor could fix that she cured with her mind, rmde

sleeve, Sunday, 8 September 2019 15:56 (five months ago) link

That book can be irritating, yes, but it does make some good points despite the weird tone.

The Recovering by Leslie Jamison is better written by miles, but is a totally different ball of wax.

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Sunday, 8 September 2019 16:07 (five months ago) link

I have tried alcohol on a dozen or so occasions, never much cared for it, at most I got annoyed at how loud and incoherent I felt like I was getting (on 1/3 or so of a beer). So practically speaking I don’t drink, don’t have an interest in it, and never hear anyone talk about drinking in a way that makes me feel like I’m missing out.

president of deluded fruitcakes anonymous (silby), Sunday, 8 September 2019 16:39 (five months ago) link

This is not the thread for you then

or something, Monday, 9 September 2019 07:49 (five months ago) link

See I read quincie’s op and it seemed like it was, is this a recovery thread or about not drinking alcohol

president of deluded fruitcakes anonymous (silby), Monday, 9 September 2019 09:28 (five months ago) link

cmon dude, “on the wagon” is unambiguous

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Monday, 9 September 2019 09:32 (five months ago) link

hi, i am a not particularly functional serial binge drinker of 30+ years standing and no amount of attempted moderation or self-control doesn't lead me swiftly back to wildly self-destructive binging, and i know really i must accept i have to stop, proper stop, forever and that is terrifying because the pub goer is about all i feel like i have left of who i am

Joe Proroguin' (Noodle Vague), Monday, 9 September 2019 09:41 (five months ago) link

Noodle Vague's predicament is kind of mine, too. I had a really quite destructive period in my mid-late 30s (mid-40s now) which was part of a larger crisis of purpose. I've since changed career - a move that meant I essentially couldn't drink as much and function at the level at which I need to be - and my relationship to booze has been much healthier. I'm getting to grips with the job now though and, well, I can see old habits creeping back in. And I get long(er) holidays, where I tend to make up for things and this summer in particular, was fairly boozy. Short version: my mental health and relationships suffered.

All of which has meant me taking the last 10 days off and I feel immeasurably better.

Good cop, Babcock (Chinaski), Monday, 9 September 2019 10:18 (five months ago) link

I have cut back significantly after fairly heavy drinking for the best part of two decades. It took nearly getting sacked from two consecutive jobs and real and active concern from my partner before I got help. Unfortunately I've kind of replaced that urge with a fondness for prescription painkillers that I need to shake. There's always something but I'm marginally more in control now and optimistic, sometimes

or something, Monday, 9 September 2019 10:32 (five months ago) link

I'll be a boringly functional but killing myself slowly alcoholic till the death I think. My addiction doesn't cause any crisis's so I can happily plod on with it till the death. Or least until my ailing health becomes a crisis, but that is what it take to persuade me to even consider stopping.

calzino, Monday, 9 September 2019 10:42 (five months ago) link

This is totally a thread for silby per the original thread intent; people abstain from alcohol for numerous reasons.

Yerac, Monday, 9 September 2019 12:39 (five months ago) link

I use the term "on the wagon" frequently and casually to mean I am currently not drinking. More because it's a signal to friends that I don't want them cajoling me to go to a bar or to offer me drinks when we hang out. I often have long periods of not drinking (I likely won't be drinking for the rest of the year) because I find it difficult to eat and exercise to the standards I want to be at while drinking even a little.

Yerac, Monday, 9 September 2019 12:48 (five months ago) link

Booze does have a significant knock-on effect on a whole bunch of things - diet, exercise, sleep, wallet, mental health (to varying, difficult-to-gauge levels). I did 100 days at the start of last year and initially felt great for it - I read more, was generally more 'level', exercised more etc - but I missed the culture around drinking (seeking out new beers) and the way it gave shape to my weeks. I also missed something more nebulous along the lines of the camaraderie of drinking together with people.

Good cop, Babcock (Chinaski), Monday, 9 September 2019 13:00 (five months ago) link

I stopped drinking entirely between December 2018 and June 2019 aside from maybe 3 beers over the course of those 7 months, mostly because my drinking habits were manageable but constant; my kids were constantly asking me if every drink I had was a beer and it concerned me that that had become their default impression of me. As a side effect, I lost 15 lbs of weight I'd been whining about but never motivated myself to get rid of.

I'm back to drinking much more moderately now and am very conscious of what I'm doing when watching tv or playing videogames.

brigadier pudding (DJP), Monday, 9 September 2019 13:01 (five months ago) link

Good point about kids. Mine are of an age where they need to see me being responsible not acting like a dick.

I also want to acknowledge calzino's post, but I don't know what to say. Will a nod across the bar suffice in any way at all?

Good cop, Babcock (Chinaski), Monday, 9 September 2019 13:03 (five months ago) link

for several years now i've hardly drunk at all, it seems i went from being a social drinker during grad school - occasionally to excess - to having the rare drink with friends. for part of that time i have been a lot more skint, but also once i was drinking alone - which i always rather liked - and the next morning i looked like shit, and figured i was getting too old to be drinking much. i think i probably last imbibed a year or so ago? and similarly in the year before that, etc. this is surely a byproduct of my dead social life. recently i thought i might pick up a little wine or something to have with dinner (was never much for wine), inject a new variable into my routine.

j., Monday, 9 September 2019 15:30 (five months ago) link

this is the same thing i posted in the other thread

I don’t have a reading rec but this summer I didn’t drink for 2 weeks bc of a health issue, which I realized was the first time I ever attempted complete teetotaling for that long. During that time, I played 2 shows, my dog died suddenly, and I had to go on an overnight retreat w my coworkers — all situations in which I’d have gladly been drinking — and it was definitely hard! I drank inconceivable amounts of flavored seltzer and noticed that I did indeed feel different after about 10 days. Much less depressed, for starters, in spite of the dire circumstances.

Since those two weeks, I’ve been thinking that maybe alcohol just isn’t very good for me. Not terrible, but def not good. Not-drinking is way more appealing than it used to be.

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, August 26, 2019 6:50 PM (two weeks ago)

I think that generally, if you are feeling bad AND drinking, stopping drinking is a very good start to feeling better (mentally, physically, etc) If it's difficult, that teaches you something too.

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 9 September 2019 16:11 (five months ago) link

I concur. I didn’t even realize I met DSM criteria for generalized anxiety disorder (despite being in a profession in which I routinely screened others for such) until I went into treatment for SUD. 4+ months later and I no longer meet criteria nor feel anxious much at all! It’s been like a silver fucking bullet. Of course it has been a giant pain in the brain to get to this point, but dear god so worth it.

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Monday, 9 September 2019 17:06 (five months ago) link

I find it near impossible to go completely sober so my version of On The Wagon means no drinking at home unless friends are over. This usually results in me going out to bars more regularly but honestly that's a net plus because I'm otherwise too much of a shut-in. I wish I could adhere to this policy year-round but usually can only do a few weeks at a time, 2 or 3 times a year. I definitely notice and enjoy the mental and physical health improvements when I'm not going through a 6-pack plus a few whiskeys every night.

Fetchboy, Monday, 9 September 2019 17:07 (five months ago) link

four weeks

sleeve, Sunday, 22 September 2019 15:22 (four months ago) link

Nice! Is it easier now than at week 2?

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Sunday, 22 September 2019 15:28 (four months ago) link

not really, maybe? no physical craving, just "fuck I really wish I could have a beer right now" about 2-3x a day

sleeve, Sunday, 22 September 2019 15:30 (four months ago) link

well done!

provisional ilx (darraghmac), Sunday, 22 September 2019 15:32 (four months ago) link

drinking a lot of Topo Chico (thanks brimstead) and Cock N Bull ginger ale

sleeve, Sunday, 22 September 2019 15:53 (four months ago) link

and the new black currant shrub I made which is extremely delicious

sleeve, Sunday, 22 September 2019 15:53 (four months ago) link

it's only five weeks since my ablation -- which has a 12-week recovery period, except i just spent one of them back in hospital with heightened heart rate and atrial flutter :|

i've already given up coffee, and i think i'm going to give up alcohol also, at least till the end of the 12: the hospital stint wasn't alcohol-related but why not give everything a bit of a rest from that kind of extra beating?

mark s, Sunday, 22 September 2019 16:00 (four months ago) link

and yet you tweet

j., Sunday, 22 September 2019 16:50 (four months ago) link

i will never log off

mark s, Sunday, 22 September 2019 16:57 (four months ago) link

3 weeks and no real cravings as such (I'm not a big drinker, really, but can be destructive when I do). Usual things are apparent for me: generally steadier mood, reading lots more, sleeping better, more continuity of thought.

Life is a meaningless nightmare of suffering...save string (Chinaski), Sunday, 22 September 2019 20:02 (four months ago) link

I liked to get drunk when I was 19 or 20, particularly if I was at a show. Always beer — hard liquor never held much interest. But I got bored with that after a while, because I got more and more serious about writing and I absolutely could not write drunk. So by my mid-20s I was basically down to a beer or two here and there, usually with a meal. Then, in my early 30s, I was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes and my doctor told me that if I drank alcohol, I should stop, because it would interfere with the oral medications I was taking (and still take). So I stopped. I've been "on the wagon" for about 15 years now, and while I'm sure I could go back to drinking if I wanted to — I'd be able to calculate the effect on my blood sugar and regulate accordingly — I don't actually miss it at all.

Ask me to give up caffeinated beverages (I chug unsweetened iced tea and Coke Zero by the gallon) and I'd have a much bigger problem.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Sunday, 22 September 2019 20:17 (four months ago) link

Ive gone from heavy drinking 5+ days a week (I'm sure Ive talked about it before on ILX) to now doing light drinking 1 day a week, maybe 2 if I'm extra-good. I've still indulged a day here and there, and I'll continue to keep trying to reduce the amount and regularity.

What finally kicked me into gear was a sudden rapid increase in real bad LFTs. And in only 3 months, I've got them way down and closer to normal, so its working!

Xmas/summer hols is gonna be hard :/

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, 23 September 2019 03:26 (four months ago) link

NO one told me about the fecking sugar cravings though. I never had a sweet tooth. What is this fresh hell.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, 23 September 2019 03:27 (four months ago) link

Go for it Trayce, taking care of yourself is a powerful thing to do

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Monday, 23 September 2019 03:47 (four months ago) link

2 wks.

lefal junglist platton (wtev), Monday, 23 September 2019 06:03 (four months ago) link

The sugar craving is real! I went from not having of a sweet tooth to requiring daily dessert, sometimes more than one!

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Monday, 23 September 2019 11:31 (four months ago) link

I don't have a sweet tooth either but I remember when I didn't drink for several years and was focused on working out and eating well, I was obsessed with ice cream for the only time in my life.

Yerac, Monday, 23 September 2019 12:02 (four months ago) link

from the old to what extent does your life revolve around alcohol? thread

used to be a daily drinker to a greater or lesser degree but i barely drink at all now

the anti-depressants i'm taking at the moment make drinking a lot less fun - if regular drinking feels like putting the output of your senses through a fuzz pedal and playing a glorious windmilling pete townshend power-chord, then drinking on anti-depressants feels like fumbling a jazz chord and getting drenched in pints of piss hurled by an angry audience

― for sale: clown shoes, never worn (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 10 August 2017 13:27 (two years ago) bookmarkflaglink

two years on from that post and i'm now off the antidepressants but i barely drink at all - i guess i just fell out of the habit and, since my wife barely drinks and i have a 15-month-old daughter whose sleeping schedule doesn't lend itself well to managing hangovers, i've never picked it back up again and i'm on the wagon by default ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Is it true the star Beetle Juice is going to explode in 2012 (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 23 September 2019 12:12 (four months ago) link

Habit is a powerful force huh. Well, I’m on the wagon tonight in solidarity with y’all.

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Monday, 23 September 2019 12:14 (four months ago) link

Sounds like a better place than 2 years ago, BG

lefal junglist platton (wtev), Monday, 23 September 2019 16:08 (four months ago) link

4 weeks in, Friday night booze introspection: when I'm drinking, Fridays are when I have a few beers and sit about eating and listening to music. Without the booze, I'm more inclined to let the evening drift and don't have the same urge to get myself 'up' for it and am way less sociable (just ask my wife) - to the point where I can't really separate the sociability and the booze and I wonder if that part of my personality is really just the booze. Like, I can't face social occasions without the thought of drinking.

Short version: I worry about becoming a dullard.

Life is a meaningless nightmare of suffering...save string (Chinaski), Friday, 27 September 2019 18:42 (four months ago) link

i quit about a decade ago and have brief dalliances every now and again but have mostly sworn off alcohol as the least interesting of drugs.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 27 September 2019 19:04 (four months ago) link

was working in clubs and bars and restaurants and got into the habit of loading up at the end of the night as it was generally free or cheap but had one-too-many nights of throwing up on the subway or ending up at the wrong house trying to get in or just generally being an asshole. grandfather died of drink and i have definite obsessive personality issues so it seemed better to err on the side of caution. I will have a beer if that's all there is to drink but I find everytime i have one drink, I have six. it's just not a good idea for me.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 27 September 2019 19:06 (four months ago) link

and don't worry about being a dullard; i find most people who think drink makes them interesting are ignoring that it's more of a depressant and that it is, in fact, suppressing your real personality which is undoubtedly more interesting than you on booze.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 27 September 2019 19:07 (four months ago) link

3wks in and found the post work conference drink hard to navigate. Prevalent "it would just be the one" thoughts as I stood at the bar. Managed to get a tonic water without anything harder but didn't stay long with everyone who was throwing stuff down and have had similar introspective time since then thinking about sociability. Hard to come to terms with realising that there's been two of me for so long one of which is an obnoxious boor. Thanks for the useful perspective ulysses.

lefal junglist platton (wtev), Sunday, 29 September 2019 06:30 (four months ago) link

5 weeks today, gonna go sell records in a bar all day long

sleeve, Sunday, 29 September 2019 15:34 (four months ago) link

ymmv with this tactic, but something i did early on while quitting, as i had to spend a lot of time at or near bars: I would start by approaching the bartender at a quiet moment with a fiver on the bar and saying "Hey, I'm really trying to quit drinking, can you make sure I only have a cranberry and soda in my hand all night?" Bartenders are people too, they tend to respect if you tell them up front what the deal is and tip them immediately.
Also: candy helps to deal with the oral fixation elements. I would go through a packet of tic-tacs a night for awhile.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Sunday, 29 September 2019 15:42 (four months ago) link

yeah I am all about bitters and soda. I spend a fair amount of time in bars anyway and I went into this knowing that. My wife's still drinking as well, none of that seems to matter - proximity doesn't seem to be an issue thankfully.

sleeve, Sunday, 29 September 2019 15:45 (four months ago) link

at least two of the other sellers don't drink either, shit we're all getting old

sleeve, Sunday, 29 September 2019 15:45 (four months ago) link

Hey, I remember hearing an AA saying somewhere (possibly Infinite Jest) about how "doing your best is what got you here." But searching that doesn't bring me any relevant results. Does anybody know what I'm talking about?

☮ (peace, man), Thursday, 10 October 2019 13:54 (four months ago) link

no but the implication (I believe) would be the "you can't do this alone" focus of 12-step - you, by yourself, doing your best, isn't enough to overcome addiction.

7 weeks for me this coming Sunday, last Sunday I tried about a 5-6 ounce pour of a fresh hop IPA at a DJ gig, it was pretty good but I had no desire to drink more either at that point or in the following days.

still reading The Naked Mind and it has turned from vague hippie nonsense to terrifying scientific precision regarding alcohol and its effects.

is the "spontaneous sobriety" thing that she's going on about here actually a real thing in anyone's experience?

https://www.addiction.com/12020/what-are-the-odds-youll-get-sober-on-your-own/

sleeve, Thursday, 10 October 2019 14:14 (four months ago) link

"Spontaneous sobriety" as described in that article is not exactly spontaneous. People quit drinking or cut back to non-problematic use without formal treatment, sure. But I don't know of anyone who has done this without making some significant changes. IME it doesn't just happen naturally, as the word "spontaneous" suggests. It takes effort. That effort may look different people, but sitting around not making any changes and hoping that sobriety happens spontaneously? Yeah I've never seen sobriety happen that way. Do that and you are way more likely to get worse, not better. EtOH is an addictive neurotoxin, that is really quite undisputable.

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Thursday, 10 October 2019 14:53 (four months ago) link

whew Monday night was rough, it's the boring evenings that bring on the desire.

52 days now, gonna try for 90 and then take stock

sleeve, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 18:32 (four months ago) link

congrats. i never lasted more than 60 days without after my puberty, i think.

walking towards the sun since 2007 (alex in mainhattan), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 18:59 (four months ago) link

when you say boring nights, do you mean boring nights out or in?

walking towards the sun since 2007 (alex in mainhattan), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 19:00 (four months ago) link

both :)

sleeve, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 19:50 (four months ago) link

congrats! are you feeling better in general?

Yerac, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 20:22 (four months ago) link

not really, tbh, but I don't miss waking up at 3 AM with a dehydration headache that's for sure

pretty sure I've lost weight thought

sleeve, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 20:23 (four months ago) link

thought though

sleeve, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 20:24 (four months ago) link

getting enough rest though is really important to ensure your body has enough time to recover/repair. I need to get my yearly physical still and was just looking at my bloodwork from last year. My liver enzymes were on the cusp of being over the standard threshold so I am hoping they are much better this year.

Yerac, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 20:30 (four months ago) link

I just saw this phrase, "wagon-curious," on a menu description in upstate New York. I forget which 0% ABV drink it was advertising. ILX, was that you?

mick signals, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 20:49 (four months ago) link

I usually see it in articles as "sober curious".

Yerac, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 20:51 (four months ago) link

I was just looking it up and the Club Soda NYC event people have a book called Sober Curious. I am wondering if they coined that.

Yerac, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 20:58 (four months ago) link

ooh in other "wagon" news, my local pub now has a tap devoted to a 0% ABV/25 mg CBD soda drink :)

sleeve, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 21:08 (four months ago) link

Interesting, I hadn't seen that phrase but it's definitely one. And yes it seems to come from a book by a faintly goopy mystic/astrologer/or as her site says, Author. Speaker. Curator. Book Doula.

mick signals, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 21:12 (four months ago) link

omg thx for new DN

Book Doula (sleeve), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 21:13 (four months ago) link

xxp delicious!

mick signals, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 21:13 (four months ago) link

the company is called Ablis, I am learning interesting things on Google today:

Any beverage maker, whether a big corporation or a small business, faces a fundamental issue when trying to put weed in their water: Cannabinoids are hydrophobic, or insoluble in water. That creates confusion for consumers, primarily: How was the CBD infused, and, thus, will they feel its effects? The answer to the latter largely depends on the former.

“For compounds like CBD that don’t really mix well with water, usually you have to put another agent with it to help it dissolve,” said Dr. Yasmin Hurd, a professor of neuroscience, pharmacological sciences and psychiatry at New York City’s Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai. “Different ways used by people or the pharmaceutical industry are being adapted by cannabinoid companies.”

https://www.chicagotribune.com/dining/ct-food-chicago-cbd-infused-drinks-0529-story.html

Book Doula (sleeve), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 21:18 (four months ago) link

lol they are from Oregon of course

https://www.ablisbev.com/

Book Doula (sleeve), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 21:20 (four months ago) link

two weeks pass...

well I'm not exactly off the wagon but I had a total of 5 beers over 3 days last weekend. nothing since Monday. still really enjoying ginger beers and lime Topo Chico. I spent a total of 9 weeks completely on-wagon, single 5-oz. beer pour excepted. Let's see how it goes moving forward for the last 30 days of the 90 I planned. I have a new Sierra Nevada Celebration Ale in the fridge that has been there since Monday, I am definitely gonna drink it this weekend :)

Book Doula (sleeve), Friday, 1 November 2019 16:09 (three months ago) link

I’m something over six months on the uberwagon, maybe a year of greatly reduced drinky overall. I find abstinence less effortful than “cutting back” so I guess I will just keep going with this because I’m lazy like that.

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Friday, 1 November 2019 17:27 (three months ago) link

don't you get that feeling of unbearable soberness after a couple of days on the wagon? after a week usually i am so sober and dried out that i see no sense to stay on the wagon anymore as it seems just so boring and useless.

walking towards the sun since 2007 (alex in mainhattan), Friday, 1 November 2019 20:20 (three months ago) link

nah I liked it! I sleep way better with super limited booze intake, for one.

Book Doula (sleeve), Friday, 1 November 2019 20:27 (three months ago) link

I only feel the unbearable sobriety when around others who are drunk i.e. some good friends invited me to karaoke Sat night and they will be fully loaded. I’m like, “do I have to?” Late-night dance parties are another example. Otherwise, no.

tobo73, Friday, 1 November 2019 21:12 (three months ago) link

Christ yes I am hating being around my closest friends drunk when Im sober, but its also becase when sober I just dont want to beb social/talk to anyone and they all wont stop yammering on.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Friday, 1 November 2019 22:28 (three months ago) link

still on

lefal junglist platton (wtev), Sunday, 3 November 2019 08:09 (three months ago) link

two weeks pass...

Major wagon benefit: waking up early on weekends with zero effort, feeling good after a good night's sleep.

It still feels strange that I'll have been up and puttering about quite a lot on a Sunday morning, thinking "oh I guess it is about lunchtime," then looking at the clock and seeing it is 10:30 a.m.

That prick of joy has not gotten old.

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Sunday, 17 November 2019 13:30 (three months ago) link

^^^ ha yes I love that feeling and often reward myself with the mid-morning weekend nap. We’ve earned it!

Was at a big bat mitzvah party last night and accidentally took a big swig of someone’s clear booze drink, thinking it was my club soda. It tasted great tbh and many neurons in my brain perked up at the taste. Mixed feelings about that.

tobo73, Sunday, 17 November 2019 17:47 (three months ago) link

Major wagon benefit: waking up early on weekends with zero effort, feeling good after a good night's sleep.

It still feels strange that I'll have been up and puttering about quite a lot on a Sunday morning, thinking "oh I guess it is about lunchtime," then looking at the clock and seeing it is 10:30 a.m.

That prick of joy has not gotten old.


Fitter, stronger, happier.

lefal junglist platton (wtev), Monday, 18 November 2019 17:10 (two months ago) link

Also even if you don’t have to wake up early, you can stay up late and not feel like shit when you wake up if you haven’t been drinking!! A night person doesn’t need to turn into a morning person to reap the benefits of teetotaling 😎

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 18 November 2019 17:47 (two months ago) link

My point is that staying up late does not need to include substance abuse! Seems obvious but it’s easy to forget in adulthood.

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 18 November 2019 17:49 (two months ago) link

^^^agree. If I was having drinks I either didn't have or didn't pay attention to "bedtime!" signals. Now I notice when I feel like going to bed and just. . . go to bed.

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Monday, 18 November 2019 19:17 (two months ago) link

two months pass...

First 18 days of the new year without a drink. I felt noticeably great for the first two weeks; my diet has improved and I've been reading and exercising. I have that lovely feeling of being ready and able at the weekends too, which really is quite a thing. It's my birthday next weekend so I'll see how I go.

Life is a meaningless nightmare of suffering...save string (Chinaski), Saturday, 18 January 2020 22:38 (four weeks ago) link

Are you wanting to stay on the wagon despite birthday or?

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Sunday, 19 January 2020 04:45 (four weeks ago) link

I'm pretty sanguine about it. I'm enjoying the periods of clarity (I did 6 weeks sober in September/October), while also enjoying exploring different beers when I get the chance.

Ngolo Cantwell (Chinaski), Sunday, 19 January 2020 16:08 (four weeks ago) link


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