man i wasn't even that old. i read the book and liked it because i liked the aesthetic of war and fighting bugs. i liked the movie because i saw a whole bunch of nudity. i should maybe watch it again as an adult. also LOVED the website because it had games and there were leaderboards. sounds like i don't need to read the book again tho
― vote no on ilxit (Will M.), Friday, 16 November 2018 20:31 (five years ago) link
i first saw it when i was ten. it was my friend's birthday and we snuck in
i knew something was wrong with it but i also loved it as an action spectacle which is the effect every verhoeven movie i saw way too young had on me (i watched robocop and total recall a lot as a kid)
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Friday, 16 November 2018 20:36 (five years ago) link
I didn't pick up on the satire in the least when I was 12.
I remember a review in my local paper calling it "Melrose Place in deep space," so I'm not sure they did either.
― jmm, Friday, 16 November 2018 20:44 (five years ago) link
I appreciate ST so much that I ill-advisedly watched the sequels out of boredom
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 18 November 2018 23:01 (five years ago) link
sorry i didnt mean to derail (blame Chapo)
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 19 November 2018 00:01 (five years ago) link
looks like they finally had Contrapoints on, for real this time
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Monday, 19 November 2018 02:04 (five years ago) link
I was sort of hoping they'd do a B*n Sh*p*r* reading series and have her chime in or something, but this was a fine overview of her work and cast of characters. I hope it brings her a new raft of fans.
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Monday, 19 November 2018 15:46 (five years ago) link
So far this ep is good, I like that they're letting the guest speak and asking thoughtful questions and it's not just another wankfest of them yelling about how stupid everything is.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Monday, 19 November 2018 15:53 (five years ago) link
is that the contrapoints ep? i haven't listened to this in forever but if the contrapoints ep is good i'd prob listen to that one.
― Mordy, Monday, 19 November 2018 16:07 (five years ago) link
Yeah that one. The territory is a little well-worn (incel psychology, Jordan Peterson etc.) but I like her approach to it which I think strikes the right balance of empathy and critique.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Monday, 19 November 2018 16:08 (five years ago) link
For the exact opposite approach but getting at some of the same conclusions, the Cumtown where Nick spends most of the episode reading the Small Penis Problems subreddit is hilarious.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Monday, 19 November 2018 16:10 (five years ago) link
Natalie's approach of avoiding simple mockery is probably the only way I'd still be interested in hearing about incels. Ben Shapiro is still ripe for a more aggressive approach.
― jmm, Monday, 19 November 2018 16:21 (five years ago) link
You can find some vestiges of her previous channel, Nykytyne2, still on Youtube, some of it going back 10 years. It's quite interesting how far she's come.
― jmm, Monday, 19 November 2018 16:24 (five years ago) link
Her incels video is pretty incredible. It's also her first to break a million views, which is a really impressive feat for a lefty youtuber.
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Monday, 19 November 2018 16:25 (five years ago) link
Nick is pretty cruel on them but gets at the same underlying point about the way that these people self-reinforce their misery to the point that they actually consider it offensive to suggest that anything could possibly ever get better for them or that anything could possibly be within their power to change.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Monday, 19 November 2018 16:53 (five years ago) link
the wonderful thing about the contrapoints video is that by linking her own experiences with self-loathing to incel's she creates empathy and understanding and reveals something true about the universal condition. not that she points out that sometimes ppl become addicted to their own misery which is easy to toss off as a pat judgement.
― Mordy, Monday, 19 November 2018 17:01 (five years ago) link
yeah she goes into that on the ep too, it's refreshing. If there's any possibility of "deprogramming" an incel, there has to be empathy involved.
Weirdly when she talked about the morbid curiosity that causes her to read the horrible things people write about her, I was reminded of my own tendency to go down rabbit holes watching insane antisemitic propaganda videos
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Monday, 19 November 2018 18:01 (five years ago) link
someone should start a Contrapoints / lefty-youtubers thread but it shouldn't be me cause I've started too many politics threads lol
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Monday, 19 November 2018 18:07 (five years ago) link
yeah that would be good, I'm enjoying this episode but also don't know anything about contrapoints or how natalie wynn is potentially problematic (sorry to reference second thoughts thread)
― flappy bird, Monday, 19 November 2018 18:11 (five years ago) link
http://www.youtube.com/contrapoints
The top 3 videos are great, especially the incels one.
― grawlix (unperson), Monday, 19 November 2018 18:15 (five years ago) link
Also her 2-parter on capitalism is a great primer for anyone who wants an intro to Marxist theory but hates jargon
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Monday, 19 November 2018 18:18 (five years ago) link
Alpha Males is a really funny earlier one. It's where she goes after The Golden One.
― jmm, Monday, 19 November 2018 18:34 (five years ago) link
Check out her talk at the 2018 XOXO Fest, too
― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Tuesday, 20 November 2018 01:17 (five years ago) link
Oh hey, look who just got profiled in the New Yorker.
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Tuesday, 20 November 2018 01:28 (five years ago) link
Yeah I'd be up for a LeftTube thread. Especially because I need more recommendations beyond ContraPoints and LinsdayEllis - I've heard good things abou hbomberguy but can't really bring myself to click on someone who uses formulations like "x is terrible and here's why", regardless of what the x is (well, maybe if it's capitalism).
― Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 20 November 2018 10:54 (five years ago) link
aye, that'd definitely be good
― 🎶 in a world of pure exsanguination 🎶 (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 20 November 2018 11:13 (five years ago) link
thread of youtubers whomst are not terrible
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Tuesday, 20 November 2018 12:58 (five years ago) link
The degree to which YouTube pushes toxic right wing bullshit on me (I'm assuming some combination of having watched the Joe Rogan podcast where Leia Remini recounted her whole Scientology experience and my demographics), but even when I reject suggestions saying they are offensive I get similar things or even other offerings by the same dude back in my suggestions
― The Poppy Bush AutoZone (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 20 November 2018 13:41 (five years ago) link
Yeah, if you watch anything remotely political their horrible shite algorithm pushes the most noxious garbage possible. I think part of the problem is also that the right-wing nonsense outnumbers the lefty stuff 100 to 1 cause it gets cranked out effortlessly and artlessly at a much higher clip.
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Tuesday, 20 November 2018 13:43 (five years ago) link
it's almost like youtube is a horrible cesspool and their algorithm is tuned specifically, whether by accident or by design, to promote hateful content
― 🎶 in a world of pure exsanguination 🎶 (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 20 November 2018 13:43 (five years ago) link
or what simon said, i guess
i watch a lot of cooking and canning videos so i've been sunk into a rabbithole of weird christian prepper videos, i don't even mind
― forensic plumber (harbl), Tuesday, 20 November 2018 13:49 (five years ago) link
Two different acquaintances of mine from my grad program are now right-wing Youtubers. I watch their stuff sometimes while depressed on the internet and think, well, at least I'm not doing that.
― jmm, Tuesday, 20 November 2018 13:51 (five years ago) link
it's a good grift!
― 🎶 in a world of pure exsanguination 🎶 (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 20 November 2018 13:53 (five years ago) link
The thing is it's not even that good a grift unless you get popular enough to have a crowdfunding following on the side, their monetization scheme has been garbage for years
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Tuesday, 20 November 2018 13:55 (five years ago) link
or you get hired by toilet paper usa or some equally fraudulent dark-money ghouls
― 🎶 in a world of pure exsanguination 🎶 (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 20 November 2018 14:13 (five years ago) link
Yeah I mean I don't remember the numbers from my old game journalism job but it's really not shit for money until you are doing really big numbers, like even as hard as it would be to get say 5k ppl to watch a video that's not gonna get you much
― The Poppy Bush AutoZone (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 20 November 2018 14:51 (five years ago) link
I've had terrible right wing recommendations in my youtube for ages too, the algorithm seems to think "hmm, this person watched a video on feminism, surely they will also appreciate this video of some dude DESTROYING feminism". It's started to happen to me on facebook too, I got a targeted ad for a Jordan Peterson speaking engagement! I laughed and laughed.
― Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 20 November 2018 15:37 (five years ago) link
If I click on anything that's not music related I go into my YT history and delete it immediately, it's the only way to avoid fascist recs that I've found.
― louise ck (milo z), Tuesday, 20 November 2018 17:53 (five years ago) link
― gbx, Tuesday, 20 November 2018 18:18 (five years ago) link
BREAKING NEWS: mahmoud ahmadinejad has followed virgil back, an rare honour he now shares with just 33 public figures including ralph nader, danny glover and uhhh david duke
https://preview.redd.it/hy2ssja88oz11.jpg?width=601&auto=webp&s=e98d808d214ef59cf59983e565333366c0b6a02f
― sign up for my waterless urinals webinar (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 21 November 2018 14:49 (five years ago) link
impressive, but I'll be more impressed if he manages to hang in there for even another month
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Wednesday, 21 November 2018 14:57 (five years ago) link
i want to believe
― sign up for my waterless urinals webinar (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 21 November 2018 14:58 (five years ago) link
I don't really know what any of this stuff is but I saw some Secular Talk / Kyle Kulinski stuff, seems pretty good but who knows these days
saw some young turks too that was annoying had to turn it off
― anvil, Thursday, 22 November 2018 16:27 (five years ago) link
Yeah, the Young Turks stuff is mostly bad from what I've seen and Cenk Uygur has had a lot of bad takes
latest CTH is their funniest in a long time, the dinar scam story is pretty much custom designed for them
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Thursday, 22 November 2018 16:33 (five years ago) link
ok this Cenk is terrible! like, actually dim?
― anvil, Friday, 23 November 2018 10:49 (five years ago) link
"Young Turk" is a bit troubling to start with, when the expression will forever be linked with 20th century Armenian Genocide.
― calzino, Friday, 23 November 2018 10:55 (five years ago) link
I remember when Cenk had a show on MSNBC and he was no contest the most annoying and off-putting news anchor I've ever seen.
― flappy bird, Friday, 23 November 2018 17:29 (five years ago) link
Cenk did an AMA on Reddit and even though 99% of the questions were about his college writings about the Armenian genocide he refuses to address the subject, leaving his Armenian co-host to defend him in social media
― President Keyes, Monday, 26 November 2018 13:46 (five years ago) link
the first part of Jon Bois and Felix's MMA documentary is up. always awkward to me to hear Felix do Serious Voice but it looks neat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oNB6tlSZ2A&feature=youtu.be
― resident hack (Simon H.), Monday, 26 November 2018 18:58 (five years ago) link