love too be in a popular front movement
https://i.imgur.com/yMgyu2K.png
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 27 July 2018 22:43 (five years ago) link
i got invited to a friend's bbq on may day and thats when i learned they were down with PLP and im like GIRL nah (the copies of the challenge should've been my first clue)
― 21st savagery fox (m bison), Friday, 27 July 2018 22:59 (five years ago) link
yo did i ever tell you about the time a PLP "cell" in San Antonio (this is actually what they called themselves) invited me to join their underground cadre and i left because i was so weirded out
my pals invited me to a party and then not long after i got there like the music stopped and everyone turned to face me and my bud was like "well we should probably tell you, we invited you to a party, but really, we wanted to invite you to join the party" and i was like uhhh i'll think about it
ultimately i broke with them because i was weirded out but also my friend was like "the black panthers were racist" and i was like gtfo im an anarchist now
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 27 July 2018 23:24 (five years ago) link
Wow A+
― devops mom (silby), Friday, 27 July 2018 23:25 (five years ago) link
this is when i was barely 19 years old!! what a life
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 27 July 2018 23:27 (five years ago) link
this should really go in the conservative opinions thread but the fact that a lot of young people are getting into leftist politics is great, but the amount of them - on the internet at least - who are getting into anti-revisionistt, marxist-leninism is a real downer
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Friday, 27 July 2018 23:29 (five years ago) link
Way overrepresented online, imo
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Friday, 27 July 2018 23:30 (five years ago) link
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, July 27, 2018 6:24 PM (thirty-eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
is there more than one PLP group in SA bc im pretty sure this is the same group.
― 21st savagery fox (m bison), Saturday, 28 July 2018 00:04 (five years ago) link
or, there are some people who were probably still in it back then that are in it now
Wild!!
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 28 July 2018 00:09 (five years ago) link
On a related note, there’s a nice convo here between Derick Varn and JM Colón about this stuff, like DSA as a leftist org, how civility norms can work to prevent things from sliding into Leninist shit, all the culty sects that form, and, at one point, Bordiga.
http://zero-books.net/blogs/zero/symptomatic-redness-jm-colon-on-the-dsa/
(Plus they do give my own show a shout-out late in the episode)
― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Saturday, 28 July 2018 00:25 (five years ago) link
Leftist film youtuber Lindsey Ellis posted this(w/ the help of Natalie from ContraPoints)
Wish she hadn't gone for Adorno :/
― Daniel_Rf, Saturday, 28 July 2018 08:31 (five years ago) link
I liked this, from the end of this profile of McElwee and the Abolish ICe movement:
The prospect that Abolish ICE will continue to figure prominently during the midterms has lead to angst among Democrats over whether the stance will damage them with swing voters. A recent NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll found that 69% of Republican voters viewed the agency positively, while 63% of Democrats viewed it negatively.“These activists have become incredible effective in forcing their issues to become litmus tests,” said one Democratic strategist working on several races the party is hoping to turn from red to blue. “We are in a weird position. We are all so certain we’re going to win that they are willing to ask for things no matter the jeopardy it puts candidates in.”McElwee said that he thinks those fears have been overstated, and he will stake his future on midterm success. He requested that BuzzFeed News put this on the record: If the Democrats do not flip the House, he will stop writing about or engaging with politics.“I think there has to be some sort of accountability, and I wish the people who supported the Iraq War had done this ahead of time,” he said. "If I’m that off in how I understand politics and my theories of change, I should just stop doing it.”
“These activists have become incredible effective in forcing their issues to become litmus tests,” said one Democratic strategist working on several races the party is hoping to turn from red to blue. “We are in a weird position. We are all so certain we’re going to win that they are willing to ask for things no matter the jeopardy it puts candidates in.”
McElwee said that he thinks those fears have been overstated, and he will stake his future on midterm success. He requested that BuzzFeed News put this on the record: If the Democrats do not flip the House, he will stop writing about or engaging with politics.
“I think there has to be some sort of accountability, and I wish the people who supported the Iraq War had done this ahead of time,” he said. "If I’m that off in how I understand politics and my theories of change, I should just stop doing it.”
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/stevenperlberg/abolish-ice-sean-mcelwee
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Saturday, 28 July 2018 16:50 (five years ago) link
I also wish the neocons had done that, but I don't think it's a good idea to stake your activism on whether some suburban Republicans finally stop voting like dickheads
― the bhagwanadook (symsymsym), Saturday, 28 July 2018 19:09 (five years ago) link
the gingrich cohort were all about term limits until they got in power and changed their mind. when mcelwee says these sorts of things in a world which enforces no consequences on blatant hypocrisy and lies, there's no cause to trust him.
― Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Saturday, 28 July 2018 21:58 (five years ago) link
Man, this campaign advert from Michigan is a helluva thing:
Thousands joined @BernieSanders and I yesterday as we called for a government for the people, by the people.We are #DoneWaiting for that to be a reality. Tomorrow, we make our voices heard.Hop on the 📞 TODAY so we can cross the finish line strong: https://t.co/0jj6eg8bwG pic.twitter.com/xuidWG8DJ6— Abdul El-Sayed (@AbdulElSayed) August 6, 2018
― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Tuesday, 7 August 2018 05:05 (five years ago) link
I hope he does well - right now he seems to be polling in third among the Dem governor candidates
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Tuesday, 7 August 2018 12:15 (five years ago) link
he had a decent line about that: "it's true, i'm not polling well among people who answer land lines in the middle of the day. the people we're reaching don't tend to be those people."
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 7 August 2018 15:16 (five years ago) link
that's a killer ad
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 7 August 2018 15:18 (five years ago) link
*bernie sanders and me
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 7 August 2018 16:31 (five years ago) link
I voted for him today
― joygoat, Tuesday, 7 August 2018 19:13 (five years ago) link
Oh fuck I have a pointless and controversy-free primary I’m supposed to vote in, guess I’ll have to go to the dropbox
― faculty w1fe (silby), Tuesday, 7 August 2018 19:31 (five years ago) link
Looking rough for El-Sayed with 3% in
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Wednesday, 8 August 2018 00:52 (five years ago) link
xp I threw a pointless vote to socialist and audiophile Steve Hoffman, can’t bring myself to vote Cantrell in a primary and it’s better than voting Goodspaceguy.
― JoeStork, Wednesday, 8 August 2018 01:02 (five years ago) link
cantwell
Goodspaceguy’s got a beard now!
― faculty w1fe (silby), Wednesday, 8 August 2018 01:26 (five years ago) link
See you next cycle, Al-Sayed.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 8 August 2018 06:34 (five years ago) link
Yeah, he's a born candidate. I daren't speculate yet just how much his name and religion hurt him.
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Wednesday, 8 August 2018 12:13 (five years ago) link
On the plus side
BREAKING: Democratic Socialist @RashidaTlaib is the projected winner of #MI13. She will replace John Conyers and makes history on two fronts: she becomes both the first Muslim congresswoman and first Palestinian-American woman ever elected to Congress. https://t.co/g09MTbZ1gg— Daniel Medina (@dmedin11) August 8, 2018
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Wednesday, 8 August 2018 12:26 (five years ago) link
Counterpoint:
According to Israel lobby group @jstreetdotorg, Michigan congressional candidate @RashidaTlaib supports “all current aid to Israel” – that means she supports the bullets & bombs used to kill Palestinian children and their parents in Gaza. https://t.co/TmvKfipDGx— Ali Abunimah (@AliAbunimah) August 8, 2018
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Wednesday, 8 August 2018 18:10 (five years ago) link
lmao calling JStreet an "Israel lobby group" as if it's not closer to JVP than AIPAC
― faculty w1fe (silby), Wednesday, 8 August 2018 18:15 (five years ago) link
Liz from Leeds is my nu-god
Last week when @AyoCaesar was on The Wright Stuff, Liz from Leeds rang in to explain communism and it was beautiful. 😍😍 pic.twitter.com/OJoCHicuey— Novara Media (@novaramedia) August 9, 2018
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 9 August 2018 12:56 (five years ago) link
novara crew are going to need a better line on the USSR etc. than that
― ogmor, Thursday, 9 August 2018 13:01 (five years ago) link
Are they?
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Thursday, 9 August 2018 13:09 (five years ago) link
if only stalin had had more revolutionary zeal
― ogmor, Thursday, 9 August 2018 13:21 (five years ago) link
I don't really think it's up to present-day communists to answer for past regimes any more than it is present-day capitalists' job to answer for [insert major war or other foreign misadventure of your choice]. It's a dumb line of argumentation.
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Thursday, 9 August 2018 13:41 (five years ago) link
I agree but that doesn't make no true scotsman arguments convincing
― ogmor, Thursday, 9 August 2018 13:46 (five years ago) link
liz from leeds i luv u
― a space stewardess (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 9 August 2018 15:42 (five years ago) link
made this while bored at workhttps://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10160621854435304&set=a.98630175303&type=3
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Friday, 17 August 2018 02:28 (five years ago) link
https://i.imgflip.com/2fzdto.jpg
Ha, is that from an actual Misfits show?
― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Friday, 17 August 2018 02:34 (five years ago) link
could be, I just wanted a tense/ambiguous image of a crowd of people so I GIS'd mosh pit photos
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Friday, 17 August 2018 02:36 (five years ago) link
A+
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Friday, 17 August 2018 03:04 (five years ago) link
Corey Robin in the NYT:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/24/opinion/sunday/what-socialism-looks-like-in-2018.html
― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Friday, 24 August 2018 22:07 (five years ago) link
It took Mr. Sanders to convince them that if tax credits and insurance exchanges are the best liberals have to offer to men and women struggling to make stagnating wages pay for bills that skyrocket and debt that never dissipates, maybe socialism is worth a try
What a ridiculous statement. You have miles and miles of distance to cover on the spectrum of re-distribution of wealth in America. How about exploring some of that before pursuing an entirely different economic system. If you're really serious about advocating something, which you have no evidence of being ever being succesful to a fraction of what you promise, then how about addressing the major inherent inconsistencies in the economic theory before deciding that "eh, it's worth a try"?
The socialist argument against capitalism isn’t that it makes us poor. It’s that it makes us unfree.
There are many arguments against and valid criticisms of capitalism. Expounding does in no way increase the merit of socialism. Marx had that drivel about the oh so terrible division of labor as well, but at least he put forward a more or less coherent theoretical base. How about starting there?
Socialism means different things to different people. For some, it conjures the Soviet Union and the gulag; for others, Scandinavia and guaranteed income
Denmark, Sweden and Norway are literally examples of how wealth generated from capitalist economies can facilitate strong social programs to ensure high living standards for everyone and people are actually using it as an example of why capitalism is bad?
Under capitalism, we’re forced to enter the market just to live. The libertarian sees the market as synonymous with freedom. But socialists hear “the market” and think of the anxious parent, desperate not to offend the insurance representative on the phone, lest he decree that the policy she paid for doesn’t cover her child’s appendectomy. Under capitalism, we’re forced to submit to the boss. Terrified of getting on his bad side, we bow and scrape, flatter and flirt, or worse — just to get that raise or make sure we don’t get fired.
This is written by someone with a degree in political science? What kind of argument is this?
― Milton, Monday, 27 August 2018 15:14 (five years ago) link
an argument that sure sounds fucking effective if you've ever been that anxious parent
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Monday, 27 August 2018 15:19 (five years ago) link
Cool sock Prof Friedman
― faculty w1fe (silby), Monday, 27 August 2018 15:24 (five years ago) link
And why do you need to abolish capitalism to fix it? You know there are capitalist countries where basically everything up to breast implants is 100% covered by the state, right?
― Milton, Monday, 27 August 2018 17:49 (five years ago) link
Actually, in many cases, you can get public grants for breast enhancement surgery here in Denmark, so imma scratch that
― Milton, Monday, 27 August 2018 17:53 (five years ago) link
we need to abolish capitalism because it's destroying the planet and can't be "fixed"
also, you're in the wrong thread, you want this one:
your terrible ideas
also, FP
― sleeve, Monday, 27 August 2018 17:57 (five years ago) link