Let us anticipate Greta Gerwig's directorial debut "Lady Bird"

honestly the scenes where she's trying to impress the school kids are so relatable because her rebellious streak has a ceiling due to her being kind-hearted at the core. it very much reminded me of when I was in middle school, trying to fit in and swearing for the first time and having my mom buy me the cool clothes, lying about small things to seem more 'rebellious'...but having to part company when anything truly mean-spirited happened. and of course in the end it doesn't work.

then you return to being who you were before only now you appreciate it more.

all the guys at my school around 8th grade were wearing those dirty Big Johnson shirts and it took about a year and a half for the school to ban them because it took them that long to get the joke.

Yeah, I was about to say that I loved the last scene with Danny, where she's wound up because of what his actions have done to her and complicated what's already a complicated time - but once she sees how freaked out he is, she comforts him.

Also anyone whose heart doesn't sing at her and her mother's "favourite afternoon activity" is frankly dead.

that was a great scene (the Danny one).

really? real estate hopping? I laughed but it didn't make any of my organs sing.

I'll take that.

can we discuss again how beautifully staged and acted the Danny/Lady Bird coming out sequences are?

I recall Lady Bird spitting out “you’re gay” as an attack, her face softening as she realizes what she knows and what it means for her friend

open house gawking is a classic activity in smaller cities and I did that with my mom!

I'd forgotten what the after school activity was. I suppose it may have meant nothing to me as neither I nor most of my classmates grew up primarily in a single family house, and have never really desired to live in one.

open houses are almost entirely a sunday afternoon thing

Tim: it's always good to ... 'Reflect on Rye'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDmgbvGQeF4

I'm grateful to Moo Vaughn for being the only person apart from Tim who agrees with me and I would like to read his or her thoughts on the film (which are apparently on another thread).

Yes let's keep the Lady Bird opinions confined to non-Lady Bird threads, only discussion about God Is Not Dead 3 itt

God: still not dead yet

Happy coincidence - just read this entry from Anthony Powell's Journals, 19.5.82:

"When I was young, and people used to say - as they often did - what an awful place Rye was, with its tarted up antique shops, bogus bohemians, horses brasses, and lesbians, there was always someone to add that Rye was nothing, in some respects, to Winchelsea, which was far worse."

I like both.

'Reflect on Winchelsea'.

Ford Madox Ford did - he lived there - as you probably know, Ward.

But there IS a beautiful place in Sussex called Rye which is near to the SEA yay!
Seriously, yeah that sounded tragically like a parody. The article Elton wrote in the Daily Mail about how all modern pop was rubbish and Queen were the greatest band of all time sealed his fate for me.

― Robin Carmody, Monday, May 13, 2002 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

um, isn't it Rhye?
I'll get me studded vest.

― Mark C, Monday, May 13, 2002 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Rye sucks.
― Graham, Monday, May 13, 2002 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

B-but Henry James' house is in Rye!
― Andrew L, Tuesday, May 14, 2002 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

THE MASTER!
― mark s, Tuesday, May 14, 2002 Bookmark

This is the thread where Graham complained about Rye and Tim said it was actually OK.

Of course I was incorrect to say that Tim explicitly said he wanted to live in Rye. But he was positive about it - as I would be.

I now think that this thread genuinely articulates the issues discussed from LADY BIRD (2017) on ILX in 2002.

How am I going to stay sane for the next 3 months?

I did know that Pinefox, yes. You may also know of Miranda Seymour's book A Ring of Conspirators, which is a good guide to Henry James' literary circle in and around Rye, including Ford, Kipling, Crane and Wells.

I don't think I can do, but I can offer this in response:

http://www.nytimes.com/1982/05/30/books/neighbors-friends-collaborators-enemies.html?pagewanted=all

They sound like very similar books!

I am glad that we have found a thread on which to discuss Rye.

OK, this was about 3 degrees less irritating than the Garden State/Adventureland/Little Miss Sunshine axis wtf is wrong with everyone.

Idk maybe we all have a soul

It’s possible

the jokes are funnier than Adventureland, c'mon

haven't subjected myself to the other two

OK, this was about 3 degrees less irritating than the Garden State/Adventureland/Little Miss Sunshine axis wtf is wrong with everyone.

― two cool rock chicks pounding la croix (circa1916)

That formulation makes as much sense as Bush's Axis of Evil.

yeah this movie was much much more genuine than either of those three, none of which featured characters as deep as the gym teacher-turned-drama teacher who shows up for two scenes, let alone any of the core family members.

like where does Garden State come from? that movie was basically overwrought pathos-by-numbers. this was a much more believable, lived-in universe.

It is more deeply felt and a cut above those films, but there’s a shared aesthetic (really is it hard to fathom that grouping?) and it’s not one I can stomach so easily in 2018.

Expectations tainted by uninhibited praise from all corners I guess. It’s a better version of a thing I hate.

Unpack the grouping

I can see that, it's a thin line, I understand the criticism & dislike, I hate all that shit too. But it never crossed my mind watching Lady Bird. But I understand it

OK, this was about 3 degrees less irritating than the Garden State/Adventureland/Little Miss Sunshine axis wtf is wrong with everyone.
― two cool rock chicks pounding la croix (circa1916)

Idk maybe we all have a soul
― valorous wokelord (silby)

It’s possible
― two cool rock chicks pounding la croix (circa1916)

Like Lady Bird, love Adventureland, but I love that exchange.

there’s a shared aesthetic

what is it?

youth?

Whiteness. Let’s be honest.

Let's say I'd love for Gerwig to have directed Garden State to see how she would have dealt with those tiresome tropes.

films about people that are annoyed all the time?

i haven't seen Ladybird fwiw but it seemed like one of those from the trailer.

films about people that are annoyed all the time?

― Heavy Messages (jed_),

teenagers?

ILXers on the politics threads?

I haven’t seen Little Miss Sunshine but nothing makes me think it belongs in the same category as Ladybird

fwiw she was definitely not annoyed all the time. thought she took the genuine frustrations in stride, which is an actual complaint from some parties who didn’t find a conflict in the movie

IMO the trailer made it seem like a much worse movie than it is.

I don't even object to circa1916's characterization of this as three degrees less annoying than Garden State et. al. It just turns out that's a winning formula for a lot of people, myself included.

Although I've actually never actually seen Garden State. But Adventureland, sure.

um I’m in a movie theater about to see I feel pretty alone and greta gerwig just walked in and sat down in front of me

— jaye hunt (@hayejunt) May 9, 2018

lmao

Queen of my heart