Ta-Nehisi Coates Rules, The Thread

and yeah, you should look at the fucking grown ups in the room.

Nah

I mean, I would have continued to ignore the thing man alive wrote, which really was incredibly shallow and had nothing to do with Coates. But nobody needs you to come in here and act like a voice of reason, Tombot.

I'm not even pretending to be the voice of fucking reason, I'm just pointing out that being a dismissive, condescending asshole is a bad look. But of course you'd disagree with that on principle, being Copenhagen's own William Lloyd Garrison and all

Death on ye all

Cept tombot ur ok tombot

being Copenhagen's own William Lloyd Garrison

https://i.imgflip.com/br9m1.jpg

Nobody needs you to point anything out, Tombot. Your last ten posts over the last few days never mention Coates or has anything to do with anything but your frustration at other posters. Just walk away, let the thing die out.

Hey, once I'm done with this article on Coates and Baldwin, I might do the same thing?

god damn look at all the 'BOTH sides are wrong' grown ups in the room

― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Sunday, September 24, 2017 4:56 PM (forty minutes ago)

your ability to recognize patterns and express yourself in cliche is honestly very good

We can't all see the world with through those amazing nuance tinted glasses kev

nuance scented farts

The Republican party is an active scourge, kneecapping our democratic institutions and regulatory agencies in ways that make it harder and harder to address ANY kind of problem. They are also the party of racism and white supremacy, so the people who are most hurt by their terroristic, shock doctrine type policies are minorities. Promising to hurt minorities and uphold white supremacy was the very essence of Trump's campaign.

Driving these people out of office is an urgent priority. It has to happen if we are going to make any progress on the bigger questions, like starting to heal our nation's racial past. Like, criminal justice reform, for instance, will not happen while Republicans are in office. Trump is pushing policies that directly counter the things BLM is advocating.

Recognizing the urgency of beating Republicans, cautioning against letting the perfect be the enemy of the good, that is all man alive was sayig, as I understood him. I don't see how that is something to scoff at to be perfectly honest.

The Democrats are loathsome in their way but the Republican Party is sooooo bad. Their domination of most state governments and the federal government is a massive impediment to progress of any kind. A message that could peel support away from them -- one that does not compromise democrats' core values obviously -- should be welcomed.

Right, but I get the impression the clause in the middle there is less than obvious - or that folk are concerned that some democrats are taking the long view of what their core values have been.

Dear God, Treeship, will you please just fuck off? You're repeating yourself, it has nothing to do with Coates, and nobody gives a shit. Post that drivel into a Trump-thread.

Lol

Treezy <3 you shakin all the right treez kiu

Fred it generally doesn't end well when you start into a rage spiral like this and make it personal and I'm being friendly here mayne

― passé aggresif (darraghmac), 19. september 2017 19:52 (six days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Sad lol. You're such a disingenuous piece of shit, and your concern trolling is your least likable mode.

What is so hard to understand? This is the thread for Ta-Nehisi Coates, so take all that obvious stuff about 'economic messages', which everyone here has heard a billion times, and clutter up all the threads where it would make sense to discuss it.

Man Alive just had the most honest version with: "I kind of lost the thread of this argument a while ago but..." And then no attempt to pick up the thread of the argument, try and understand what anyone was saying. Just the same talking points. It's so dismissive, and it becomes infuriating after a while. Just... Fuck off and read Between the World and Me. And that goes for everyone.

hey fred if you like TNC so much.......then maybe you should marry him!

Guys, Fred needs more relevant material for his TNC paper. Make sure you spell Coates correctly in your posts so he can cntrl-f

the funny thing is first time I remember Fred from ILX it was defending Ice Age flirting with facism and saying it was ok because Danish ppl couldn't be fascist so it was cool

tennessee coats rule, especially the ones with squirrel fur patches

never forget

the funny thing is first time I remember Fred from ILX it was defending Ice Age flirting with facism and saying it was ok because Danish ppl couldn't be fascist so it was cool

― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, September 25, 2017 1:36 PM (seventeen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

totally thought that this was a reference to the movie about the squirrel and was trying to work out what that had to do with fascism (or Denmark)

I don't think there's a need to pile on, tbh. I only circled back into this thread because I was annoyed at how deej was treating Hurting.

oh, I think that meltdown a few hours ago merits a piling on, especially this frustrated substitute teacher routine:

Just... Fuck off and read Between the World and Me. And that goes for everyone.

― Frederik B, Monday, September 25, 2017 6:59 AM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Fred writes things like this so often that I wonder, does he think he's the only one who read this book?

'Everyone' is meant to indicate it includes myself.

I totally thought it was a reference to that film franchise as well, soref. I was like oh man as soon as I get to the office I need to ask UMS to point to that thread, that sounds insane

I have become very, very fond of the first Ice Age movie even if most of it doesn't make much sense. Manny is a great character in that movie.

Lol

my nieces love the first movie

also for reference if an ilx beef threatens to take over a perfectly innocent thread you can politely direct people here.

don't forget that thread's less-polite precursor: This is the thread where you call out another ILE poster for having sand in his/her vagina

Lol at politely directing ppl to a locked thread

also lol @ DJP's being the one that didn't have to be locked

I tied what I was saying pretty clearly to Coates' article earlier in the thread. I only "lost" the argument when it turned into a pissing match. I have a problem with the way the article implicitly dismisses class politics and a lot of democrats made very similar moves to dismiss class politics during and after the election. I'll try to again spell out where I think the article does this later when I have more time, because it's subtle

And I think that that has something to do with why Coates' readers in that radical anti-racist left publication The Atlantic Monthly respond so much to the piece, because it just becomes an excuse to wash their hands of class and say fuck those people.

Even though, to be clear, I don't know that that's Coates' intention.

He does not dismiss class politics you weirdo

I'd honestly like to know how many people haranguing about class politics grew up anything less than middle class.

Wishing you the very best fred, stay safe

I'd honestly like to know how many people haranguing about class politics grew up anything less than middle class.

― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, September 25, 2017 9:57 AM (one week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

hi deej i grew up in a working-class neighborhood, my dad was a refugee and my mother was the daughter of a roofer and a housewife and i like to harangue about class politics,

back to the thread:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/06/opinion/ta-nehisi-coates-whiteness-power.html

another thomas chatterton williams piece about coates. it's terrible. also isn't this the third time he's written this same article? conservative talking points about race made more palatable to nyt lib readers by its style and the fact that the writer is black/mixed race

loomis makes very good points here imo

http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2017/10/politics-hope-politics-realism

yes i have no idea who thomas chatterton williams is but that piece is just insulting to coates; like, can you get someone smart/arguing in good faith to counter him, at least? fucking times.

I don't understand why it's so important to "counter" Coates at all

listen, you don't need to tell me, but he makes so many people so mad or sad or something.

anyway, thomas chatterton williams played himself

also i briefly followed ryan cooper on twitter because i thought i was being insufficiently leftist or something and then he approvingly tweeted this lady chatterton's lover piece and i promptly unfollowed him. i follow corey robin; who are other non-dumb leftists i should follow?

Yow, I'm definitely gonna start following Ryan Cooper now:

https://www.google.com/search?q=ryan+cooper&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj5p_uvxdzWAhVC1WMKHfSdBsQQiR4IlQE&biw=1866&bih=1065