no
― Οὖτις, Monday, 13 March 2017 23:11 (seven years ago) link
Fuck I haven't seen this movie in a long time, I'm referring to the scene where she arrives in Los Angeles with the elderly couple. Guess I got confused
― Carlotta's Portrait (Ross), Monday, 13 March 2017 23:22 (seven years ago) link
http://www.mulholland-drive.net/cast/elderly.htm
― Carlotta's Portrait (Ross), Monday, 13 March 2017 23:23 (seven years ago) link
Yes it makes sense that the old couple are her grandparents of the whole first 2/3rds is a fever dream.
― Heavy Doors (jed_), Monday, 13 March 2017 23:33 (seven years ago) link
Diane and Betty are different characters tho
― Οὖτις, Monday, 13 March 2017 23:34 (seven years ago) link
are they though, are they really
― mark s, Monday, 13 March 2017 23:35 (seven years ago) link
Lol
― Οὖτις, Monday, 13 March 2017 23:37 (seven years ago) link
Betty's just Diane's dream self, surely.
― Heavy Doors (jed_), Monday, 13 March 2017 23:37 (seven years ago) link
They're old people there's no suggestion that they exist at all let alone grandparent anybody
― brat_stuntin (darraghmac), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 00:00 (seven years ago) link
xp - i figure they're two sides of the actress archetype, one innocent, the other fallen
― Not raving but drooling (contenderizer), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 00:04 (seven years ago) link
I know that darragh but most people in dreams are real versions of people we think about often.
― Heavy Doors (jed_), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 00:07 (seven years ago) link
Real is a strange word to use there.
there's no suggestion that they exist at all
they obviously exist because they're in a paper bag & then get all huge
― Not raving but drooling (contenderizer), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 00:10 (seven years ago) link
"mulholland drive or avatar
― b'hurt's tauntin' (darraghmac), Wednesday, 30 January 2013 18:21 (four years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink"
In OPO, so what was the worst film you ever saw? thread.
― Heavy Doors (jed_), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 00:46 (seven years ago) link
Betty is the viewer as actor, Diane is the actor as actor. I'm the guy by the dumpster
― mh 😏, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 00:56 (seven years ago) link
idg why anyone would assume the grandparent relationship, it doesnt match up w anything they do or say onscreen. Unless one just assumes they're grandparents because of the age difference beteeen them and Diane/Betty. The other theories in Ross's link make more sense imo.
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 01:00 (seven years ago) link
I've come around on lynch btw
― brat_stuntin (darraghmac), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 01:02 (seven years ago) link
I'm sure he's relieved
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 01:30 (seven years ago) link
I thought they just met on the plane because she seems like one of those excruciatingly naive and eager ppl who wd just make friends with other nice ppl on a plane for no reason?
― Fluffy Saint-Bernard (Stevie D(eux)), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 02:00 (seven years ago) link
Also standard lynch trope of nicey-nicey white America feeling horribly creepy and staged
― brat_stuntin (darraghmac), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 02:08 (seven years ago) link
I'm coming over to this grandparents thing.
They didn't meet on the plane because the plane and the old people we see aren't real, they are a fever-dream. So the old people are likely to be people Diane thinks of often.
Now I have that suggested to me it makes little sense that they are just "old people" because they are likely to be people she knows well in her real past.
― Heavy Doors (jed_), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 02:22 (seven years ago) link
But everyone's roles in her fever dream are mixed up - so why would her actual grandparents be sn exception
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 02:24 (seven years ago) link
And why would she be flying on a plane w her grandparents and then ditch them to go stay at her aunt's.
I don't think they're an exception, I just think that people turn up in your dreams that you're close to but not in the relationship you have them in in your daily life.
― Heavy Doors (jed_), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 02:29 (seven years ago) link
While her grandparents are not 100% confirmed, it's a possibility - and comes up in many interpretations of the movie. Another one here: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0166924/faq
It's Lynch - I think you can read it either way, his movies are good for that.
― Carlotta's Portrait (Ross), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 02:34 (seven years ago) link
ok in the first 2h of the movie they're she met on the planein ✌️️"real life"✌️️ yeah idk they're prob her grandparents, w/e
― Fluffy Saint-Bernard (Stevie D(eux)), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 03:00 (seven years ago) link
I never bought the dream/real life distinction where this movie is concerned. I think it's about the interaction of Hollywood archetypes, powers & players (first 2/3) and the movie that eventually results (last 1/3).
― Not raving but drooling (contenderizer), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 03:39 (seven years ago) link
i think this movie was about Oliver North
― waht, I am true black metal worrior (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 03:43 (seven years ago) link
you do not
― Not raving but drooling (contenderizer), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 03:44 (seven years ago) link
I never bought the dream/real life distinction where this movie is concerned.
there's literally a part where a character says "time to wake up" and everything is not dreamy anymore
― kurt schwitterz, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 17:49 (seven years ago) link
yeah, but see above
― Not raving but drooling (contenderizer), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 17:53 (seven years ago) link
not dreamy, still boring
― mark s, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 17:53 (seven years ago) link
i shouldn't say i reject the fantasy/dream vs. ugly reality interpretation. that story's obviously present & central. i don't think it's sufficient, and it bothers me that it's treated as the film's one and only meaning.
― Not raving but drooling (contenderizer), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 17:58 (seven years ago) link
It kinda bothers me that it fits the film so well, though. I've come to prefer Inland Empire, which is much more open to multiple satisfying interpretations, imo.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 18:46 (seven years ago) link
still the most coherent thing I've read about tit: http://www.salon.com/2001/10/24/mulholland_drive_analysis/
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 18:54 (seven years ago) link
obv it doesn't matter if The Parts Don't Fit Together considering the movie comprises connective material fleshing out a scrapped TV pilot.
mulholland drive is good, fuck the haters
― mh 😏, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 20:07 (seven years ago) link
Lost Highway is finally available to rent on Amazon instant video. I've been wanting to watch that movie for years, but it's never been available on streaming.
― how's life, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 21:41 (seven years ago) link
prepare to be disappointed
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 21:44 (seven years ago) link
I really like it, but it has its flaws like any Lynch film.
― Moodles, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 21:48 (seven years ago) link
It's near the bottom of the pile for me, just above Wild At Heart.
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 21:50 (seven years ago) link
OTM Οὖτις, Lost Highway is the Lynch film that is guilty of everything idiots think all Lynch films are guilty of.
― lilcraigyboi (Craigo Boingo), Wednesday, 15 March 2017 14:05 (seven years ago) link
Lost Highway does a surprisingly good job of capturing the mood and tone of the 90s, for a work from a director that makes films that seem detached from any specific time period
― mh 😏, Wednesday, 15 March 2017 14:06 (seven years ago) link
went on a first date to lost highway when it was out in theaters, biiiiiiiiiiiig mistake
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 15 March 2017 14:07 (seven years ago) link
LH doesn't surpass its promising opening credits or Bill Pullman playing furious sax in that club. The rest is self-parody, down to Robert Blake in Dean Stockwell makeup.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 15 March 2017 14:08 (seven years ago) link
stick with meshes of the afternoon, only 18 mins long -- it didn't need remaking
― mark s, Wednesday, 15 March 2017 14:13 (seven years ago) link
I can't argue either of those points. I, too, thought "wow, fake Dean Stockwell!" the last time I saw it. xp
― mh 😏, Wednesday, 15 March 2017 14:14 (seven years ago) link
Watched the remaster on the big screen last night for the first time since release and the film really benefits from it. Hard to see what the new print actually adds - there's a far greater distinction between the film quality in daylight/studio and low light (particularly the car driving around), but some scenes look like they were broadcast on TV, never mind filmed for it.
I hadn't paid attention before to Betty explicitly revealing the plot three times in the first phase. I've forgotten the third one but when she enters Ruth's apartment for the first time she says to Coco "It's like some kind of dream" and then when she and Rita go to phone the police about the car accident she says "We can do it. We can pretend we're other people."
Diane sees The Cowboy two times. According to his conversation with Adam, this potentially means she's "done bad".
― Mud... Jam... Failure... (aldo), Tuesday, 23 May 2017 14:04 (seven years ago) link
ya not to mention her crawling into bed and falling asleep being one of the first shots of the movie
seeing this in a theater made me realize how incredible the sound editing is, so much skillful silence
― he not like the banana (Stevie D(eux)), Tuesday, 23 May 2017 14:08 (seven years ago) link
These are pretty much the exact arguments re: the first 30 minutes of FWWM being Cooper's 'dream' (scare quotes because I don't think Lynch's use of dreams is straightforward enough to refer to instances like these as 'just a dream').
― human/hutt hybrid (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 23 May 2017 14:16 (seven years ago) link