And The Mouth-Twitch of Young Women in the Late 2000s and Early 2010s
― your fretless ways (Eazy), Wednesday, 13 March 2013 21:11 (eleven years ago) link
who is that? WS, but in more of a would-curl-up-and-watch-a-movie-with way.
― space phwoar (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 13 March 2013 21:21 (eleven years ago) link
wow, this thread sure took a turn
― and that sounds like a gong-concert (La Lechera), Wednesday, 13 March 2013 21:21 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.edyoungblog.com/files/2012/02/Dr.-Drew.jpg
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Wednesday, 13 March 2013 21:25 (eleven years ago) link
^^ a man about to give us A Frank Appraisal.
― Aimless, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 21:26 (eleven years ago) link
turned into a sausage fest in here
― Lucky Money BUddha (Matt P), Wednesday, 13 March 2013 22:20 (eleven years ago) link
Sterling you do realize that all three examples you linked at 1:25 were written by people who work/worked at Gawker, right?
― maura, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 22:28 (eleven years ago) link
Oh OK Max already pointed out that Choire is the source. Carry on.
― maura, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 22:33 (eleven years ago) link
i figured gawker was a key part of the nexus (i mean lots and lots of current bloggy things are tied to the ex-gawker diaspora), but didn't read it/pay attention at all in the whole formative period, so good to know that there's an actual person this goes back to. although i would like to think back all the earlier little mag on the web experiments and think which generation of those writers probably had an influence here (suck had a difft voice, but maybe some _parts_ of suck presaged this?)
― s.clover, Thursday, 14 March 2013 02:35 (eleven years ago) link
I think there's a strong anxiety element to the whole thing - an underlying fear, maybe subconscious in some cases, of seeming dull, not with it, overly self-serious, a relic of the print era, etc. if you don't at least make a nod to that style.
― space phwoar (Hurting 2), Thursday, 14 March 2013 17:02 (eleven years ago) link
that's the power of the in crowdthat's why i am interested in late adopters and bloggy voice teetotalers
― and that sounds like a gong-concert (La Lechera), Thursday, 14 March 2013 17:03 (eleven years ago) link
is lindy west a good exemplar of the ladyblog voice? http://jezebel.com/people/lindywest
― s.clover, Thursday, 14 March 2013 17:32 (eleven years ago) link
maybe. i find her writing distractingly cluttered with jokes and references that cloud her (often very good) points. if that's what you mean, then yes.
― and that sounds like a gong-concert (La Lechera), Thursday, 14 March 2013 17:38 (eleven years ago) link
i read her pope thing. its like if musto and taibbi had a sassy bloggy baby. i think people like stuff like that though. they must. there is a lot of it. half gossip column + half fuck you.
― scott seward, Thursday, 14 March 2013 18:07 (eleven years ago) link
I enjoy it in small doses, at least in the hands of someone who can pull it off, like Sady Doyle. Otherwise, it seems like a bad pastiche. All the stylistic boxes are ticked, but it falls flat, like reading anyone's attempt to mimic, say, PG Wodehouse or Hunter Thompson etc.
― blatherskite, Friday, 15 March 2013 04:10 (eleven years ago) link
hi
― buzza, Friday, 15 March 2013 06:16 (eleven years ago) link
This is all really interesting but I don't think I know what blog / voice is / was actually meant!
With DFW the big tendency was I think to mix in a lot of technicality and grammatical precision with a lot of informality at the same time. I think other US writers do this also. But I don't think this is naif ... ?
― the pinefox, Friday, 15 March 2013 13:03 (eleven years ago) link
http://d3fsqtc6sy2z27.cloudfront.net/uploads/37b229e23a2a7a0f344a1289b45e90ec_large
― am0n, Friday, 15 March 2013 17:14 (eleven years ago) link
i have no idea where to put this but holy shit is this the most annoying email or whatit makes me never want to order from grubhub again
We Miss You. Like the Deserts Miss the Rain.Oh, hey. So this is awkward. How you been? Us? Doing great. Things are really looking up. One day at a time. Deep breaths. Just one thing: Please come back. Since you left, we're all numb. John Mayer is deep. Nicholas Sparks is moving. And who knows how the hell all these cats got in? Let's Work It Out. And Order Some Dinner. But hey, if you're really gone for good, help us get a little closure. Why'd you give up on us when there were so many good times still ahead? 1. I moved away. And this long-distance delivery just isn't feasible. 2. I met someone new. They'd deliver the sun, the moon and the stars if I asked. 3. Our relationship grew too expensive for my taste. Were you ever going to treat me? 4. You screwed up a lot. I'm through giving you second chances. 5. Our relationship wasn't healthy. You made it so easy to order so many things. 6. We're just taking a break. You're still my one and only. 7. I haven't quit you. I just renewed my vows with a different account.And that's it. Please come back. Hasta Luego, GrubHub
Just one thing: Please come back. Since you left, we're all numb. John Mayer is deep. Nicholas Sparks is moving. And who knows how the hell all these cats got in?
Let's Work It Out. And Order Some Dinner.
But hey, if you're really gone for good, help us get a little closure. Why'd you give up on us when there were so many good times still ahead?
1. I moved away. And this long-distance delivery just isn't feasible. 2. I met someone new. They'd deliver the sun, the moon and the stars if I asked. 3. Our relationship grew too expensive for my taste. Were you ever going to treat me? 4. You screwed up a lot. I'm through giving you second chances. 5. Our relationship wasn't healthy. You made it so easy to order so many things. 6. We're just taking a break. You're still my one and only. 7. I haven't quit you. I just renewed my vows with a different account.
And that's it. Please come back.
Hasta Luego, GrubHub
― free your spirit pig (La Lechera), Sunday, 11 August 2013 20:57 (ten years ago) link
ughesp this
― free your spirit pig (La Lechera), Sunday, 11 August 2013 20:58 (ten years ago) link
actually all of it is the worstthe whole thingworse than groupon
― free your spirit pig (La Lechera), Sunday, 11 August 2013 20:59 (ten years ago) link
^^ reads like a haiku
― In the airplane over the .CSS (Le Bateau Ivre), Sunday, 11 August 2013 21:45 (ten years ago) link
still insane to me that this thread went 200 posts before anyone mentioned Choire Sicha
― max, Sunday, 11 August 2013 22:10 (ten years ago) link
did you read his book max
― lag∞n, Sunday, 11 August 2013 22:22 (ten years ago) link
haha I posted about grubhub over here:
Sarahel's Semiotics 4U
see also: the Innocent Smoothies Aesthetic thread
― not some dude poking a Line 6 pedal with his dick (sarahell), Sunday, 11 August 2013 22:31 (ten years ago) link
yes
― max, Sunday, 11 August 2013 22:31 (ten years ago) link
well
― lag∞n, Sunday, 11 August 2013 22:55 (ten years ago) link
i liked it
― max, Monday, 12 August 2013 00:53 (ten years ago) link
cool
― lag∞n, Monday, 12 August 2013 01:21 (ten years ago) link
http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2013/11/english-has-a-new-preposition-because-internet/281601/
― Geoffrey Schweppes (jaymc), Friday, 22 November 2013 18:50 (ten years ago) link
http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/people/columns/intelligencer/n_9825
― lag∞n, Friday, 22 November 2013 18:51 (ten years ago) link
preachin' to the Choire
― eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Friday, 22 November 2013 18:55 (ten years ago) link
pronounced choir situation
― lag∞n, Friday, 22 November 2013 18:57 (ten years ago) link
i hate that use of "because"
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Friday, 22 November 2013 18:58 (ten years ago) link
i only like it to watch the spread of adoption
― sweat pea (La Lechera), Friday, 22 November 2013 19:03 (ten years ago) link
its the worst of thing thats kinda funny as a joke until it becomes a convention then its just dumb and useless and not funny
― lag∞n, Friday, 22 November 2013 19:09 (ten years ago) link
except i guess it could help on twitter because character limit
hmm i wrote worst when i meant kind interesting because freudian xp
― lag∞n, Friday, 22 November 2013 19:10 (ten years ago) link
The article is correct in that the new form of 'because' has become widely used and recognized, but it remains to be seen if it has any staying power.
― Aimless, Friday, 22 November 2013 19:12 (ten years ago) link
it's insidery shorthand because people like to be part of a crowd that is so in that they use their own shorthandreading old noise board threads is good for this too, if i'm being honest
― sweat pea (La Lechera), Friday, 22 November 2013 19:13 (ten years ago) link
people who use "because" like that are monsters
― twist boat veterans for stability (k3vin k.), Friday, 22 November 2013 19:16 (ten years ago) link
real concision hedz use "ftb"
= "for to because"
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 22 November 2013 19:22 (ten years ago) link
afaics, it is merely a truncation of "because of". If it were true that all cases of the new usage would conform to traditional usage by substituting "because of" for "because", then this new use represents a very common sort of progression in American English and I'm guessing it will stick. We Americans love to truncate.
― Aimless, Friday, 22 November 2013 19:23 (ten years ago) link
i suspect it will not make the leap from jokey voice to regular voice
― lag∞n, Friday, 22 November 2013 19:26 (ten years ago) link
because dumb
― a character named Daryl Wade (Clay), Friday, 22 November 2013 19:26 (ten years ago) link
#dumb
― lag∞n, Friday, 22 November 2013 19:27 (ten years ago) link
i disagree, i think it's a much bigger ellipsis than that. e.g.: "i have to see this because EMOTIONS" is not short for "i have to see this because of emotions" - that's still an incomplete sentence! It's more like "i have to see this because [i have a lot of emotions related to this]/[i anticipate experiencing a lot of emotions]/[i anticipate that this is full of emotions and they are a thing i like to see]"
― thighs without a face (c sharp major), Friday, 22 November 2013 19:28 (ten years ago) link
i.e. it is not the 'because' that is really the focus we should be looking at, it is the way the subsequent word is a distillation of a clause
― thighs without a face (c sharp major), Friday, 22 November 2013 19:30 (ten years ago) link
So you locate the ellipsis you describe in "because" and not also in "EMOTIONS"?
― Aimless, Friday, 22 November 2013 19:31 (ten years ago) link
that was an xp