yeah i'll take all of this over the moral shock + lurid sneer of fox-style tabloid reporting. xp
― Lucky Money BUddha (Matt P), Wednesday, 13 March 2013 19:55 (eleven years ago) link
what about ned always being speechless on facebook all the time everytime he posts a wacky link. where does that fit in. lol love the ned.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 19:59 (eleven years ago) link
speechless...
*youtube video of an otter farting*
what about people who preface everything they say with a disclaimer: "you know i like ____, but [outrageous thing about _____]"
i love that -- the people who do it always do it so reliably!
― and that sounds like a gong-concert (La Lechera), Wednesday, 13 March 2013 20:01 (eleven years ago) link
choire sicha is the origin of this bloggy voice
― max, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 20:02 (eleven years ago) link
hes drawing on dfw but its basically him, hes the guy
he also does it better than anyone
is he the new pope
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 20:03 (eleven years ago) link
Is the Tiger Beatdown/Wonkette style of comedy writing an ultra-exaggerated version of this voice, or its own beast? (Deliberately stilted/simple sentences! Exclamations marks! HERE IS A SENTENCE IN ALL CAPS, BECAUSE WHY NOT?)
this is the pre-2003 version of internet writing i think i said this already
― ò_ó, ó_ò, õ_o (Lamp), Wednesday, 13 March 2013 20:17 (eleven years ago) link
do you guys actually read lots of blogs? or have favorites. in 2013. i never look at them unless someone links to some dumb/outraged thing. the outrage of the day. the dumbness of the day. i don't even know why i look at those. i got some old journal of popular culture mags from the 70's the other day and they were very entertaining. and i went on the website of that mag and every single recent article is either about vampires, zombies, or superheroes. almost. or reality t.v. i am sure they are getting bushels of essays on the show Girls as we speak. there is a singlemindedness to mod pop cult discourse and it just seems so samey and zeitgeist-y to the max. i dunno. lol.
i'm sure academic types see the same stuff all the time too. the same zombie essays over and over. zombies and consumer culture, blah, blah. its all so fucking american too. i need to broaden my horizons. those 70's mags had all kinds of weird shit in them.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 20:23 (eleven years ago) link
Well not per se, but there are so many sites that blur the lines now -- blogazines like HuffPo and Gawker, mainstream news sites with some bloggy content, etc.
― space phwoar (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 13 March 2013 20:26 (eleven years ago) link
RIP journalism ;_;
― and that sounds like a gong-concert (La Lechera), Wednesday, 13 March 2013 20:27 (eleven years ago) link
Blogs replaced the unnecessary middleman, then became the unnecessary middleman themselves.
― your fretless ways (Eazy), Wednesday, 13 March 2013 20:33 (eleven years ago) link
“Edith Wharton Meets Aquaman: The Glimpses of the Moon and Imperiled Male Culture in Entourage” by Donna Campbell
“Failure to Launch: Not-So-Superheroes in Gravity’s Rainbow and Superfolks” by Megan Condis
“The Accidental Supermom: Superheroines and Maternal Performativity, 1963-1980” by Laura Mattoon D’Amore
“The Female Link: Citation and Continuity in Watchmen” by Erin M. Keating
“Terror in Horror Genres: The Global Media and the Millennial Zombie” by Nicole Birch-Bayley
“Forged in Love and Death: Problematic Subjects in The Vampire Diaries” by Mary Bridgeman
“The Sand/wo/man: The Unstable Worlds of Gender in Neil Gaiman’s Sandman Series” by Ally Brisbin and Paul Booth
“Remembering Why We Once Feared the Dark: Reclaiming Humanity Through Fantasy and in Guillermo del Toro’s Hellboy II” by Tony M. Vinci.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 20:41 (eleven years ago) link
sorry, that was just a little comic relief. doesn't really belong here. stuff from that mag i was talking about. i'm so sick of superheroes. and vampires. probably will always love zombies despite the overload.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 20:42 (eleven years ago) link
there is a singlemindedness to mod pop cult discourse and it just seems so samey and zeitgeist-y to the max.
yes
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Wednesday, 13 March 2013 20:45 (eleven years ago) link
I read that as "to max"
― space phwoar (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 13 March 2013 20:50 (eleven years ago) link
pop cult journal doesn't mess around:
Essays should range between fifteen and twenty-five pages of double-spaced text in 12 pt Times New Roman font, including all images, endnotes, and Works Cited pages. Please note that the fifteen page minimum should be fifteen pages of written article material. Less than fifteen pages of written material will be rejected and the author asked to develop the article further. Essays should also be written in clear US English in the active voice and third person, in a style accessible to the broadest possible audience. Authors should be sensitive to the social implications of language and choose wording free of discriminatory or sexist overtones.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 20:57 (eleven years ago) link
what do people think distinguishes the ladyblog voice in particular?
― s.clover, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 20:59 (eleven years ago) link
outrage?
― Mordy, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 21:00 (eleven years ago) link
bombeckian bombast?
― scott seward, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 21:00 (eleven years ago) link
CAPITAL LETTERS REFLECTING EMOTIONAL RESONANCE RATHER THAN EXTREME ~EMOTING~.
― your fretless ways (Eazy), Wednesday, 13 March 2013 21:02 (eleven years ago) link
RETICENCE, I MEAN, OF COURSE. :/
― your fretless ways (Eazy), Wednesday, 13 March 2013 21:03 (eleven years ago) link
plus a smidge of Sally Forth-like whatareyagonnadoamirite?
http://thebrightblush.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/photo-30.jpg
― scott seward, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 21:03 (eleven years ago) link
And The Mouth-Twitch of Young Women in the Late 2000s and Early 2010s
― your fretless ways (Eazy), Wednesday, 13 March 2013 21:11 (eleven years ago) link
who is that? WS, but in more of a would-curl-up-and-watch-a-movie-with way.
― space phwoar (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 13 March 2013 21:21 (eleven years ago) link
wow, this thread sure took a turn
― and that sounds like a gong-concert (La Lechera), Wednesday, 13 March 2013 21:21 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.edyoungblog.com/files/2012/02/Dr.-Drew.jpg
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Wednesday, 13 March 2013 21:25 (eleven years ago) link
^^ a man about to give us A Frank Appraisal.
― Aimless, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 21:26 (eleven years ago) link
turned into a sausage fest in here
― Lucky Money BUddha (Matt P), Wednesday, 13 March 2013 22:20 (eleven years ago) link
Sterling you do realize that all three examples you linked at 1:25 were written by people who work/worked at Gawker, right?
― maura, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 22:28 (eleven years ago) link
Oh OK Max already pointed out that Choire is the source. Carry on.
― maura, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 22:33 (eleven years ago) link
i figured gawker was a key part of the nexus (i mean lots and lots of current bloggy things are tied to the ex-gawker diaspora), but didn't read it/pay attention at all in the whole formative period, so good to know that there's an actual person this goes back to. although i would like to think back all the earlier little mag on the web experiments and think which generation of those writers probably had an influence here (suck had a difft voice, but maybe some _parts_ of suck presaged this?)
― s.clover, Thursday, 14 March 2013 02:35 (eleven years ago) link
I think there's a strong anxiety element to the whole thing - an underlying fear, maybe subconscious in some cases, of seeming dull, not with it, overly self-serious, a relic of the print era, etc. if you don't at least make a nod to that style.
― space phwoar (Hurting 2), Thursday, 14 March 2013 17:02 (eleven years ago) link
that's the power of the in crowdthat's why i am interested in late adopters and bloggy voice teetotalers
― and that sounds like a gong-concert (La Lechera), Thursday, 14 March 2013 17:03 (eleven years ago) link
is lindy west a good exemplar of the ladyblog voice? http://jezebel.com/people/lindywest
― s.clover, Thursday, 14 March 2013 17:32 (eleven years ago) link
maybe. i find her writing distractingly cluttered with jokes and references that cloud her (often very good) points. if that's what you mean, then yes.
― and that sounds like a gong-concert (La Lechera), Thursday, 14 March 2013 17:38 (eleven years ago) link
i read her pope thing. its like if musto and taibbi had a sassy bloggy baby. i think people like stuff like that though. they must. there is a lot of it. half gossip column + half fuck you.
― scott seward, Thursday, 14 March 2013 18:07 (eleven years ago) link
I enjoy it in small doses, at least in the hands of someone who can pull it off, like Sady Doyle. Otherwise, it seems like a bad pastiche. All the stylistic boxes are ticked, but it falls flat, like reading anyone's attempt to mimic, say, PG Wodehouse or Hunter Thompson etc.
― blatherskite, Friday, 15 March 2013 04:10 (eleven years ago) link
hi
― buzza, Friday, 15 March 2013 06:16 (eleven years ago) link
This is all really interesting but I don't think I know what blog / voice is / was actually meant!
With DFW the big tendency was I think to mix in a lot of technicality and grammatical precision with a lot of informality at the same time. I think other US writers do this also. But I don't think this is naif ... ?
― the pinefox, Friday, 15 March 2013 13:03 (eleven years ago) link
http://d3fsqtc6sy2z27.cloudfront.net/uploads/37b229e23a2a7a0f344a1289b45e90ec_large
― am0n, Friday, 15 March 2013 17:14 (eleven years ago) link
i have no idea where to put this but holy shit is this the most annoying email or whatit makes me never want to order from grubhub again
We Miss You. Like the Deserts Miss the Rain.Oh, hey. So this is awkward. How you been? Us? Doing great. Things are really looking up. One day at a time. Deep breaths. Just one thing: Please come back. Since you left, we're all numb. John Mayer is deep. Nicholas Sparks is moving. And who knows how the hell all these cats got in? Let's Work It Out. And Order Some Dinner. But hey, if you're really gone for good, help us get a little closure. Why'd you give up on us when there were so many good times still ahead? 1. I moved away. And this long-distance delivery just isn't feasible. 2. I met someone new. They'd deliver the sun, the moon and the stars if I asked. 3. Our relationship grew too expensive for my taste. Were you ever going to treat me? 4. You screwed up a lot. I'm through giving you second chances. 5. Our relationship wasn't healthy. You made it so easy to order so many things. 6. We're just taking a break. You're still my one and only. 7. I haven't quit you. I just renewed my vows with a different account.And that's it. Please come back. Hasta Luego, GrubHub
Just one thing: Please come back. Since you left, we're all numb. John Mayer is deep. Nicholas Sparks is moving. And who knows how the hell all these cats got in?
Let's Work It Out. And Order Some Dinner.
But hey, if you're really gone for good, help us get a little closure. Why'd you give up on us when there were so many good times still ahead?
1. I moved away. And this long-distance delivery just isn't feasible. 2. I met someone new. They'd deliver the sun, the moon and the stars if I asked. 3. Our relationship grew too expensive for my taste. Were you ever going to treat me? 4. You screwed up a lot. I'm through giving you second chances. 5. Our relationship wasn't healthy. You made it so easy to order so many things. 6. We're just taking a break. You're still my one and only. 7. I haven't quit you. I just renewed my vows with a different account.
And that's it. Please come back.
Hasta Luego, GrubHub
― free your spirit pig (La Lechera), Sunday, 11 August 2013 20:57 (ten years ago) link
ughesp this
― free your spirit pig (La Lechera), Sunday, 11 August 2013 20:58 (ten years ago) link
actually all of it is the worstthe whole thingworse than groupon
― free your spirit pig (La Lechera), Sunday, 11 August 2013 20:59 (ten years ago) link
^^ reads like a haiku
― In the airplane over the .CSS (Le Bateau Ivre), Sunday, 11 August 2013 21:45 (ten years ago) link
still insane to me that this thread went 200 posts before anyone mentioned Choire Sicha
― max, Sunday, 11 August 2013 22:10 (ten years ago) link
did you read his book max
― lag∞n, Sunday, 11 August 2013 22:22 (ten years ago) link
haha I posted about grubhub over here:
Sarahel's Semiotics 4U
see also: the Innocent Smoothies Aesthetic thread
― not some dude poking a Line 6 pedal with his dick (sarahell), Sunday, 11 August 2013 22:31 (ten years ago) link
― max, Sunday, 11 August 2013 22:31 (ten years ago) link