"Hipster" as pejorative.

is there a thread for ludicrous prog band costumes and stage dressing and stuff

What, this one?

Peter Gabriel

It is well to remember that one of the charges made against Socrates was that he was "ironic", and you see where it got him, don't you?

nymag follows up

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/11/new-york-times-christy-wampole-hipster-irony-interview.html

no i didn't read it

I tried to make very clear in the article that I applied the same scrutiny to myself that I ask others to apply to themselves. I wanted to conduct an honest self-assessment, which I invited others to do as well. I wasn't happy with my self-defensive behavior either but I'm willing to work on it.

Yet finds no humor in the way she presents herself?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5e/Hipster_with_bike.jpg

Yet finds no humor in the way she presents herself?

I was gonna say something about her stage moves in her band's video, but fish, barrel, etc.

good god she sounds like a bore

She seems really earnest!

their band is a bunch of literature professors playing songs with lyrics that are literal interpretations of the literary canon

I don't see how this could work in any way /other/ than being an ironic deconstruction

physics professors playing groovin' psych rock and singing about the double-slit experiment

(sorry couldn't resist)

I don't see how this could work in any way /other/ than being an ironic deconstruction

They did not seem ironic about it in their interview on Entitled Opinions.

well, exactly

'you've spent time in berlin'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hk5HgMWFktc

"First, I want to say that I am a huge fan of Generation Y."

this interview is awesome.

nicest buncha 95 million people you'll ever meet IMO

http://www.glasswave-band.com/images/Chair.jpg

"I am not a hipster, I am just hip"

nothing ironic about sitting on an antique chair in a red minidress on a dark road

If the hipster question were dead, why all the buzz?

pwn.

would smash of shame

posted there already

so you can't even find her hot without irony

shame is not the same as irony

otm, shame is shame

one of Jack Palance's best roles, imho.

"I'm willing to make myself vulnerable and be made fun of online. First, it only confirms my point."

Nice try but nah.

Wonder what Christy is like on Italian and French essayistic fiction...there is a book by Pavese called The Business of Living. Maybe she could've tied it in.

Or maybe not.

Big laughs from Clive Martin over at Vice (again)
http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/searching-for-the-sad-trombone-sound-of-irony

lol I'd give Christy this record and ask her to identify they ironies in it:

http://www.emanemdisc.com/images/E4144.jpeg

i can't decide if free improv is an irony-free zone or the most totally ironic mode music could ever exist in

Christy Wampole Ph.D, bathing in the glow of righteous sincerity.

lol

i can't decide if free improv is an irony-free zone or the most totally ironic mode music could ever exist in

depends on your definition of irony. it's certainly not ironic in the "opposite of earnest" sense.

Okay, sorry. Back to the quiz: What percentage of your speech is meaningful?
I’m known to waffle, but whether that’s directly associated with my trombone I don’t know. That’s more of a character trait than a trombone-induced one.

If "meaningful" is supposed to express the idea of "having a discoverable sense, as opposed to nonsense syllables, noises or disjointed fragments", then about 97% of my speech is meaningful. I like to speak in full sentences. It's a feature, not a bug.

If "meaningful" is supposed to express the idea of "having profound implications beyond the immediate context or outside of merely quotidian existance", then only about 0.01% or less of my speech is meaningful in that sense. Quotidian existence is a bitch, but it is what we all do for a living and it is inescapable.

otoh, maybe about 2% of my ilxor speech meets the second definition. It's one of the reasons I hang out here.

I have never heard of her band. This is probably because they only play private parties for their friends and colleagues.

i can't decide if free improv is an irony-free zone or the most totally ironic mode music could ever exist in

i have personally played several highly ironic free improv gigs

in all seriousness I wonder how she envisages a typical conversation between two young adults might have gone in, let's say 1970. possibly it was not as 'meaningful' as she might hope?

thomp - think its a mix. Obv guys like Paul Rutherford came across as the most serious people (he played in a group named after a newspaper that Lenin was involved in - and I don't he had much time for irony), but in the playing itself...what are the ironies of serious play?

Then again I never get irony myself, I don't come across much good writing on it in music.

sarahell - i like your name, v high irony content

i have personally played several highly ironic free improv gigs

^^ potential dn

i think the main issue w/irony re: free improv is that irony relies a lot on assumptions and conventions - so "irony" in a free improv performance would translate differently to an insider vs. the average person.

Doesn't that apply to most types of music? People who play vs listeners watching would have all aspects of its peformance translated differently.

lol, although im thinking there would be a huge gap in assumptions and conventions to a musical perf by Christy's band and what their fans would perceive.

well sure, though Christy's band sounds a lot more similar to popular music - i mean, it's just vanilla indie rock with literary lyrics, so there would be more people who would qualify as "insiders" who are aware of the conventions and assumptions of the genre, than with free improv.

What is ironic about craft beer?

Yeah most people I know who get to that level of beer snobbery are super serious about it

Also it's a fuckload of work

i will occasionally drink craft beer ironically in the sense of "bro it's hilarious that you're serving me this beer that so much thought and care has been put into because you could've pulled literally any beer in the world out of that cooler and i would've downed it with the exact same enthusiasm and result"

enjoy yr clamato

that's not a beer or even alcoholic, you may have the highest failed "zing" rate in ilx history

uh, sure

Bud Light Clamato

(xp to some dude) haha. in some abstract hipstery sense i appreciate the existence of craft beer (in some less abstract human sense, not so much), but yeah, in the end my tastebuds / desire to get drunk operate in such a way that i basically don't care about the taste of beer. cool that u've devoted ur life 2 this bro, now whar's me paint thinner.

oh yikes (xp)