― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 02:06 (eighteen years ago) link
― geoff (gcannon), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 02:14 (eighteen years ago) link
― jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 02:18 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 02:39 (eighteen years ago) link
totally
― adamrl (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 04:12 (eighteen years ago) link
There were problems - neither wife had enough screentime to be either really good or really bad (though MW's eyes/reaction shots when she first sees Jack and Ennis were fantastic), and that same guitar line that played whenever they were together got annoying fast, but the strings that blended into white noise at other times were a nice touch.
In a way, I guess all the stuff upthread about it catering to hetero audiences and not being all that radical in its depiction of homosexuality, etc. is right, but I think that's because the gayness (as promoted) was a red herring. I saw a movie about longing and repression and being stuck in the same damn place your entire life, unable to save yourself or make a better life.
― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 04:43 (eighteen years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 06:28 (eighteen years ago) link
The last shot: after Ennis buttons up Jack's shirt he looks at a postcard of Brokeback Mountain, mumbling "Jack, I swear..." then the camera pans away to the open window.
It is devastating. He's still keeping the love of his life in the closet.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 14:12 (eighteen years ago) link
Last night's Tonight Show appearance by Heath Ledger was fairly remarkable, because Ledger and Leno managed to talk for a solid 15 minutes, much of it about Ang Lee and Brokeback, and never mention the word gay or anything approximating it.
Ledger: "I just looked at it as an incredible opportunity to play this, you know...complex, lonely figure..."
The omission seemed fairly obvious to me...
http://towleroad.typepad.com/towleroad/2006/01/talk_about_brok.html
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 20:22 (eighteen years ago) link
― adamrl (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 20:24 (eighteen years ago) link
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nick and I were sure we recognised her from something else but imdb says she hasn't been in anything I'd have seen
― RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 20:26 (eighteen years ago) link
See Havoc, in which she plays a brazen teenage strumpet.
― adamrl (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 20:27 (eighteen years ago) link
― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 20:27 (eighteen years ago) link
the movie goes for a solid two hours without mentioning the word gay!
― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 20:31 (eighteen years ago) link
S1ocki:
"You know I ain't no queer.""Me neither."
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 20:33 (eighteen years ago) link
When Jack's mother helps Ennis put Jack's shirt in the bag, does she put Jack's slip Jack's ashes in there too? I know there was a moment between Ennis and Jack's mom, but I didn't quite see / don't remember what exactly happened.
If so, perhaps Ennis in the last scene is swearing he will scatter Jack's ashes on Brokeback... even though it may be a while, what with his daughter wedding and his history of letting jack down, etc.? I dunno.
― elmo, patron saint of nausea (allocryptic), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 20:37 (eighteen years ago) link
But Jay and Heath didn't even mention "stemmin the rose"! (and presumably they're not closeted 1960s sheep herders)
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 20:38 (eighteen years ago) link
Compare his interview to Gyllenhaal's last week, in which the gay stuff was NOT ignored and Gyllenhaal was as open and coltish as Jack Twist. Maybe cuz he's more at ease in the spotlight.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 20:38 (eighteen years ago) link
Nope. It's ambiguous. Again, the story (and I paraphrase): Ennis mumbles, "Jack, I swear" even though Ennis is not the swearing kind and Jack had never asked him to swear anything.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 20:43 (eighteen years ago) link
― killy (baby lenin pin), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 20:46 (eighteen years ago) link
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― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 21:30 (eighteen years ago) link
you're being sarcastic, right? those huge, close-up shots of his face on the big screen... holy god damn i'll break his somethin'
― killy (baby lenin pin), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 21:37 (eighteen years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 21:41 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 21:43 (eighteen years ago) link
I saw a minute or two of the Ledger interview - I think he was still in-character from the junkie movie he's doing. What little I saw consisted of him refusing to make eye contact with Leno.
― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 21:47 (eighteen years ago) link
― elmo, patron saint of nausea (allocryptic), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 21:49 (eighteen years ago) link
-- jaymc (jmcunnin...), January 18th, 2006. (tracklink)
duh... thanks a lot, though, that's the hottest thread ever
― killy (baby lenin pin), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 21:57 (eighteen years ago) link
http://boxofficemojo.com/daily
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 19 January 2006 02:44 (eighteen years ago) link
"hetero-pandering" is such a cynical phrase.
― mark p (Mark P), Sunday, 22 January 2006 02:36 (eighteen years ago) link
Was dragged to see this for a second time with a straight friend swayed by the publicity. A lot of my objections now seem trivial. I'm more impressed now by Heath Ledger's great physical performance; so few actors these days know how to move in character. By the time Jack Twist delivers his excoriating final monologue Ennis has for all intents and purposes shriveled, a smoking and drinking waste of a man. All those scenes of Ennis hunched over at a bar are quietly and insistently convincing.
The Thanksgiving scenes - in which Jack and Ennis try to convince the audience that they're Real Men besides being fags - are the only hetero-pandering moments.
And the score is wonderful.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 22 January 2006 03:11 (eighteen years ago) link
The Director's Fingerprints by Joe Morgenstern
since you have to be a subscriber to read the article on internet, I copy and paste the key points:
Pinning down who did exactly what can be hard even for someone who's been an intimate part of the process. "Ang Lee has a way of letting the film unfold itself," says Sydney Pollack, a top-flight director in his own right who was the executive producer of "Sense and Sensibility." "He's like a Zen presence on the set. He has a way of tapping the energy that already exists in writers and actors and other people working for him, of perfectly mixing it so that he doesn't ever appear to have his hands all over it. Yet every movie he's ever done bears his stamp quite clearly." All of which goes back to the original question: How do we as spectators see that stamp? Where do we find the direction? Clues vary from film to film, but, as a case in point, I've picked a few from Ang Lee's most recent film, "Brokeback Mountain." They're nothing more than clues, since I'm a spectator too -- I wasn't on the set to watch him work -- but they may give some sense of the director's sensibility.
The opening shot bespeaks both immensity and simplicity -- a far-off trailer truck, announced by two notes on a guitar, traversing a vast mountain landscape at night.
The early sequences -- the two cowboys, Jack and Ennis, moving sheep through the mountains -- are photographed lyrically, but again the shots are strikingly simple. When the men speak haltingly of themselves, their scenes are paced somewhere between leisurely and slow. At first I found the pace trying, then came to recognize it as a sign of the director's trust in his audience's willingness to stay with the story as it unfolds. Heath Ledger's Ennis -- hooded, laconic, recessive -- is a radical departure from the actor's previous work. Does that mean the decisive influence was directorial? Not necessarily, but at a minimum the director was hospitable to his co-star's performance.
The first leaps in time -- suddenly Ennis is married, and then, just as suddenly, the father of two children -- are so abrupt as to make you wonder if the projectionist switched the reels. But they're evidence of the director's daring; time will not be wasted on tidy transitions.
The film looks spare throughout -- plain buildings and plain rooms to go with the plainspoken protagonists. That's the province of the production designer, to be sure, but the consistency of style, both physical and visual, suggests a strong directorial influence as well.
There's enormous power in the long, almost silent passage when, and after, Ennis's wife discovers her husband in a passionate embrace with Jack. Michelle Williams created the performance, but Ang Lee -- and his editor -- constructed the sequence in a clear-eyed way that shows the actress's work to stunning advantage.
A phone call, near the end, brings Ennis important news about Jack from Jack's wife, Lureen. (I'm avoiding specifics for those who haven't yet seen the film.) Another director might have played most of the scene on Ennis's face, since the news affects him most directly. Ang Lee chose to give much greater prominence to Lureen, who, thanks to Anne Hathaway's acting, tells an enthralling tale beneath the camera's steady gaze.
These discrete, somewhat abstract observations can't begin to convey the totality of the film. Taken together, though, they reflect some of the qualities that inform the film -- physical beauty, clarity, confident pace, firm though delicate control. If there's a single word for what connects these various qualities, it's direction.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 22 January 2006 14:12 (eighteen years ago) link
(He's since apologized, but here's an excerpt of his original review:
The sheep do nothing special as they bleet around the bush, but Jack and Ennis do do something special. They have sex. Jack, who strikes me as a sexual predator, tracks Ennis down and coaxes him into sporadic trysts. But sporadic isn’t frequent enough for Jack. He wants Ennis full time! He whines, he pleads, he shouts that when they’re apart, he’s desolated. Jack can’t absorb Ennis’ implied response: better desolate than never! Heath Ledger’s performance under Ang Lee’s direction is outstanding, and Brokeback does have a few dramatic peaks. But this may be because its unconventional theme is outside the buns, it is being wildly overpraised. Not by me!)
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― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 16:14 (eighteen years ago) link
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