Irish politics discussion thread

it's some fuckin jump, even for bad-taste laddish shock humour- lol deporting, ok, i see the link, straight to..... rape? Where does that come from.

Garda A: “And raped.”

Garda B: “I wouldn’t go that far yet….. She was living down at that crusty camp, f**k sake, you never know what you might get.”

Garda A : “Or I’ll definitely rape you.”

Unidentified garda: “Will you be me friend on Facebook?”

(Conversation continues about Facebook in Garda station)

srsly lol

GARDAI

can you imagine being a gard

i'm sure there are decent gardai...can you imagine being one of them?

It's a long way from The Third Policeman, that's for sure

there's a few alright. But it's hard to say what working in a force with that ethos could do to you over the years too? I dunno.

Workin up at ballinaboy is no picnic for them either, seriously shitty situation and provocation every day.

Doesn't come near excusing that shit.

Even aside from the comments, to record yourself on a camcorder in the back of the car then to present the tape back to shell-to-sea- whats the irish for keystone

idk, the weird nonsequiturs are a bit flann o'brienish xp

Actually, you're right there

that was back when my pa was superintendent at clonnacha. he had a big stick and he'd say to us 'go on now, with the facebook'. some days it was cold and we'd have not a bite to eat but he'd say 'there's no finer than a feast'. they didn't have facebook in those days.

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I know a guard who has worked at the Corrib protests before. I hope he wasn't one of the guys on tape but i honestly wouldn't put it past him.

i'm sure there are decent gardai...can you imagine being one of them?

I have heard that there is a terrifyingly macho and boorish culture among the uniformed rank and file Gardai, and that anyone who is not like that spends all their time trying to get away from them into more specialised work.

idk, the weird nonsequiturs are a bit flann o'brienish xp

good comparison, though I was thinking more of Nigel Tufnell. However, all verbatim transcripts of conversations read like this.

it wouldn't surprise me, x-post, just like, let's face it who knows anyone in the gardai. a friend of a friend is the only person i know who joined, and he used to take drugs etc etc. dunno how it turned out for him.

hah the guy i used to sniff tippex and drop acid with at uni ended up becoming a cop, must be a thing

Guy i know was far from averse to a bit of casual racism/misogyny

ah sure why not sure

Not him on the tape though so he'll live to fight another day.

I have heard that there is a terrifyingly macho and boorish culture among the uniformed rank and file Gardai, and that anyone who is not like that spends all their time trying to get away from them into more specialised work.

this is otm. my brother is a detective. hes alright i suppose. although the gardai are one big boys club really.

hard to think of any positive dealings i've had with the gardai...and can think of plenty of negative ones. almost everyone has a bad story to tell.

this is the only time i ever had a lol with a garda

Horror!

"how close were you to him?"

"i probably pissed on him gard"

have had plenty of good, one or two bad as a witness

big couple of days on the property/nama/banking front

so

Public sector paycuts
Semistate and other publicly owned infrasructure to be sold on the cheap.

For what?

The first, well fair enough, it's a separate issue.

But the sale of infrastructural assets to cover private bank losses just bewilders me.

Gonna quit it all and do a thesis on the ramifications of the removal of the bank guarantee vs what we're actually doing.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2011/0423/1224295312306.html

you whinging lying whinging motherfucker why are we still being afflicted with your verbs and nouns etc

I'd take his verbs and nouns if we could get rid of everything else he's done.

lenihan was forced by minatory leprechauns to give carte blanche to bondholders in the world's worst banks

minortory surely

Real IRA spokesman in 'too fucking thick to memorise a speech' shocker.

you know those beatles (and millions of other band or 'thing') t-shirts that say "john and paul and ringo and george" etc...

me and my friend have decided to make one that says "charlie and albert and bertie and brian"...mail me for orders.

See if it's on the list first.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/opinion/2011/0507/1224296372123.html?via=mr&sms_ss=facebook&at_xt=4dc5462a30b0bbb0%2C0

every time i read kelly now i think of the dude homer replaced in the episode about refuse collection

National survival requires that Ireland walk away from the bailout. This in turn requires the Government to do two things: disengage from the banks, and bring its budget into balance immediately.

First the banks. While the ECB does not want to rescue the Irish banks, it cannot let them collapse either and start a wave of panic that sweeps across Europe. So, every time one of you expresses your approval of the Irish banks by moving your savings to a foreign-owned bank, the Irish bank goes and replaces your money with emergency borrowing from the ECB or the Irish Central Bank. Their current borrowings are €160 billion.

The original bailout plan was that the loan portfolios of Irish banks would be sold off to repay these borrowings. However, foreign banks know that many of these loans, mortgages especially, will eventually default, and were not interested. As a result, the ECB finds itself with the Irish banks wedged uncomfortably far up its fundament, and no way of dislodging them.

This allows Ireland to walk away from the banking system by returning the Nama assets to the banks, and withdrawing its promissory notes in the banks. The ECB can then learn the basic economic truth that if you lend €160 billion to insolvent banks backed by an insolvent state, you are no longer a creditor: you are the owner. At some stage the ECB can take out an eraser and, where “Emergency Loan” is written in the accounts of Irish banks, write “Capital” instead. When it chooses to do so is its problem, not ours.

At a stroke, the Irish Government can halve its debt to a survivable €110 billion. The ECB can do nothing to the Irish banks in retaliation without triggering a catastrophic panic in Spain and across the rest of Europe. The only way Europe can respond is by cutting off funding to the Irish Government.

for a dude that was told to go commit suicide, he seems to have abit of fight in him yet imo

brilliant article. unfortunately the catty comments make it easy for yr average Irish political hack on politics.ie or twitter to ignore the substance, but there's some great turns of phrase in there imo, especially this:
"Back when the euro was being planned in the mid-1990s, it never occurred to anyone that cautious, stodgy banks like AIB and Bank of Ireland, run by faintly dim former rugby players, could ever borrow tens of billions overseas, and lose it all on dodgy property loans."

last part of it never occurred to anyone tbf

1000 messages to get from ff re-elected to here.

160 million euros per message, that

fuckin terrible

i imagine kelly is being a /little/ glib, but the pretence of sustainability has been the worst thing about the irish recession / debt crisis from the start, and i think he's probably pretty close to the truth

he's close enough, alright, but his proposed solution is definitely just trash talk at this stage.

His last few articles offered no solutions at all, and were duly criticised on that score, so he prob just tacked this one on as a 'fuck you eat this for a solution'

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2011/0516/1224297038705.html

at what stage does this stuff become too much? i'm not against the queen's visit, but i've a few friends work in abbey st/parnell st area and this shit's been unbearable for the past few days.

i can't offer an alternative or anything, mind.

i'm against it, not from a "800 years ah for god's sake" viewpoint but I just don't see what point we have in inviting that fat spoiled robot to our country. Waste of time and money, nobody is pleased about it are they?

heh plenty of them from your neck of the woods are standing to attention, if the IT letters page etc are any read on it.

but i agree with your first sentiment. if it's that big a deal as necessitates all of the furore for ordinary people, then it's by default 'too soon'.

i had the same feelings on GWB's visit a few years back, closing down the fucking midlands for that cunt to get a few photo ops, ugh

God bless em, they do a great job.

the royals, the gardai (local or otherwise) or sinn feiners?

To be honest, I was just referencing a Viz comic t-shirt, which had that caption and a picture of the Royal Family.

are there irish people who are enthused about this? wtf?

i'd figured summat like that alright

michael

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dont want to get all Ding Dong Denny O´Reilly but I did cringe when I heard that she is going to be visiting Croke Park