sexual personae

So, it's not a lecture, it's friendly advice, be humble and willing to learn and expect any debate to challenge your convictions and expose some flaws.

This sounds exactly like a lecture to me, and a po-faced ans stilted one at that.

and!

-Paglia has gone back to the emotional and sexual urges that induce or influence several of our efforts, including artistic ones. In doing so, she helped rescue culture from a stric, stolid structuralist approach;
-Paglia has built the bridge between ancient tradition, Romanticism and popular culture, giving us wonderful critical tools to perceive a linearity in Western culture; and
-after decades of deconstructionist relativism and obfuscation, Paglia, along with the Sokal/Bricmont book, helped revive the need for true knowledge, that is, to become a scholarly reader, not just a skimmer or a faker.

http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/899/pagliach6.jpg

Answer: No.

ILX: doing college freshmen's homework for 8 years.

(it was fun, beneath the vitriol I think some real issues have been discussed)

A running monologue with eye-rolling does not a discussion make.

Reading this thread has been like nothing so much as reading a person arguing with themselves to figure out what they believe by dismissing everyone around them. Hope you made some progress with your coursework.

I can imagine that Paglia probably has the OMIGOD, WOW factor if it's the first place one has ever read serious discussion of culture and gender issues. Like I can imagine that MGMT probably sounds amazingly droll if you've never heard ... oh, even something even as intellectually shallow as the Dandy Warhols on the same subject (with better tunes and haircuts.)

Being po-faced and contrarian is not the same thing as being adult.

It's been over 10 years since I read Sexual Personae. I don't remember much beyond the very basics of her argument. Which you might say was down to age and senility, but then again, I can remember other writers and philosophers I read around the same time with far more clarity.

Paglia is a great favourite among right-wing men who find her, as a feminist-hating woman who claims to be a feminist, a great tool for justifying their own attitudes.

I don't have much time for her. There are, quite frankly, other concepts and people I'd rather spend my (albeit limited) intelligence on contemplating.

Not me. Sorry Vizelka.

vision i got ur text!!! glad to hear everything worked out, let me know what else u need ~~

Mordy all kinds of OTM, and that Palin article... man alive.

I don't think Vision is a sock. A really poor troll, but not a sock. ILX is where trolls come to be schooled, and Vision's tuition cheque apparently just cleared.

I somehow missed Mordy's post there. Well said.

^^^nice u should script an action film xp

I didn't think it would be Kevin. Me and Kevin put our differences aside, man.

I won't get into what I think of Paglia's oeuvre generally, but I don't mind the Salon columns so much; the average one is a compendium of one-liners, unintentional parodies of academic locutions, batshit opinions, willful contrarianism, and some good bits.

I'm honestly surprised that anyone thinks that the whole of cultural criticism is any different than romance novels or comic books. It's kinda trashy and fun but it goes in the circular file when y'r finished with it.

I also don't know why I let "Vision" get me so wound up. I know my post wasn't amazingly well-written or anything, but I didn't think it could be so badly misinterpreted. Also, wrt the Zizek quote: a. I know he wasn't talking about Paglia, he was making a point that related to how we perceive Japanese culture, what he said was still relevant to the point I was making. b. Zizek is not saying "put that mask back on" what he's saying is that the mask, and the ceremony of social ritual are important. I mean this in relation to the great thrusting libidinous impulse which she constantly implies to be the be all of everything. Also, I find her comments on Gay men horrific, not because she doesn't flinch from the shocking power of the unsheathed male erotic impulse or whatever, but because it comes across as fake, as the fetishised wank fantasy of some prune who only cares about shocking with her vaguely transgressive and alarmingly touristic observations.

Also, libcrypt just said the truest and funniest thing ever written on ilx, so I hope you were all paying attention!

hey i know right vision just imed me and asked me to tell you that hes sorry for picking on you

If Vision is a troll (which is to say, merely posing as a priggish undergrad with an overblown sense of intellectual accomplishment in an effort to stir up a pointless commotion), then I must congratulate the author on a fine sense of parody.

I'm more inclined to accept Vision's persona as sincere. I interpret the self-concious inflation of Vision's prose and argumentation, as the analog of a toad facing a predator, who inflates itself in an effort to seem more imposing.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2v441_res-they-say-vision_music

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s71/NathanBernal/pufferfish.jpg

"Hi, I'm Camille Paglia and Sarah Palin is the best thing to happen to feminism since Lynndie England"

He/ she also appears to be of the Geir school of music criticism. From this thread:
A Paler Shade of White---Sasha Frere-Jones Podcast and New Yorker article Criticizing Indie Rock for Failing to Incorporate African-American Influences

Black influence in music can be waaay overrated. Plus, nobody is forced to use anything or to acknowledge any cultural factors that don't mean anything to them. Actually, if anything some kinds of black music should be denounced rather than used, but to each his own.

― Vision, Thursday, 11 September 2008 20:19 (3 days ago) Bookmark

anything anything anything

"Actually, if anything some kinds of black music should be denounced rather than used, but to each his own."

Really feeling stupid for arguing with this guy.

How do you know it's a guy?

Man all I can say is I am glad this debate isn't about Ayn Rand.

haha

Don't say that too loud, you might wake him!

One month before we can't distinguish this dude from Whiney G.

sure do hope mike karnon subscribed to this thread

It's funny how it all kicked off because I said: "she's kind of a nut"

Camille Twobaglia, amirite?

Sorry, I think it's a young woman, on account of the "judging women by their looks" comment.

I could be wrong, though.

Dude says he's a dude on linked thread up yonder.

So, 'till things are brighter, I'm the man uses the word "black".

Prob a wegro.

George Eliot said she was a man now and again, when she was inclined. She was not to be trusted on that head.

It's true, I've seen pictures of him.

I think that's a "The Man" thing, rather than an actual gender thing. But I could be wrong. I hid behind a gender-neutral screen name for years Even when I perved on men, I think it was easier for people to think that I was gay.

Eh, x-posts back to watching Late of the Pier videos to perve over the drummer for me, then.

where the fuck is tehresa?

There we go, judging by looks again! This is all so much ad hominem. What care we if Vision is man, woman or beast? We should all be aware of the state of the question in question and open our mouths accordingly.

Can I see a picture? If he's a schoolboy, maybe he's hott. :-P

I meant I've seen pictures of George Eliot.

He wasn't fooling anybody with that dress, I can tell you.

Also, with that Dave Hickey quote I could just as easily used another by Carl Andre, which has become like a mantra for me: "It's enough to have things in the world". So when you say: "Paglia has often extolled the beautiful clarity bestowed by a monastic, celibate, rigorous approach to the arts and culture. Her only qualification was that this was an exception rather than the rule." I say: "Bullcrap". It's because she has no empathy, I think.

Paglia interviewed by Joan Rivers: "I just have to accept it, I'm a mutant"

"It should be pointed that puritan aesthetics derives from puritan ethics; she didn't invent it, she just pointed the contrast."

What!? Of course they do! I kinda rammed that point home gracelessly, what I'm saying is that they're not anti-aesthetics.

Why am I still doing this?!?!?!?!?!

Let it go, IKR, let it go. :-)

Thanks, I've gone a bit nuts, I'm, like, watching Paglia interviews on youtube! It started with Zizek cos he's so funny and I kinda want to do him, but then...

She's really pissing me off!

Back away from the internets! This way madness lies.

I mean, even I'm going to stop watching videos of pointy nosed ginger haired drummers and go to bed now.

Honest.

Just one more...

NO!