S&D: Serial Killers

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So which would win in an all out fight, The Millenium Falcon or the USS Enterprise?

*geeks out*

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 01:46 (twenty-three years ago)

Fish's photo is really creepy in that Bloodletters and Bad Men book. He is the one that has stood out the most in my memeory from when I was a kid and used to read that book before I went to sleep.

― A Nairn (moretap), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 01:51 (twenty-three years ago)

I started this thread and haven't said which one I find most interesting -- Richard Trenton Chase, because he was so COMPLETELY mad and because, with proper psychological treatment, he likely would never have killed, because his trial and conviction are teytbook examples of the US justice system's inability to deal with the insane. He was also active in the same area and at the same time as Kemper, which is pretty scary.

The fact that he is fairly beloved by goth serial killer fetishists and wannabe serial killers is pathetic.

― Colin Meeder (Mert), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 10:39 (twenty-three years ago)

Justice and the insane? Justice means doing what is right, even it goes contrary to popular opinion. The meat grinder is the only solution.

― Die Mauer, Wednesday, 26 February 2003 12:59 (twenty-three years ago)

I find the whole Jefferey Dahmer story fairly interesting. Also, one of my sister used to go play at her best friend's house in grade school - who lived a few doors down from John Wayne Gacy.

― phil-two (phil-two), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 13:03 (twenty-three years ago)

Is finding criminally "mad" people the same as laughing at a "spakka"? I'm not sure . . . . but anyway, Worf vs. Chewy in an anything goes wrestling contest. Who wins?

― Lynskey (Lynskey), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 13:28 (twenty-three years ago)

but the best serial killer moment ever is when Richard Ramirez says "Hail Satan!" to the newscameras as he's being led from the courtoom

Time to dredge up the last post on this
thread?

― Mooro (Mooro), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 13:39 (twenty-three years ago)

My sentence was a trainwreck -- his trial and conviction, although disastrous, are not the reason he killed -- I meant the incredible fact that this guy was found sane is a reason that I find the case interesting, as well as the fact that his crimes would have been prevented if he'd been properly treated for paranoid schizophrenia.

And the word is "Hoden", du Angeber. Fick dich ins Knie.

― Colin Meeder (Mert), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 14:46 (twenty-three years ago)

eight months pass...

Guilty!. Zodiac next...

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 19:42 (twenty-two years ago)

man, they'll never get the Zodiac

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 19:49 (twenty-two years ago)

it would be great if there was some serial killer who decided to be the greatest serial killer of them all by hunting down and killing all the others.

― DV (dirtyvicar), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 19:51 (twenty-two years ago)

You read too many comics.

That's either the best or the worst film script idea I've ever heard.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 19:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Depending on whether or not it stars Keanu Reeves in a major role.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 20:04 (twenty-two years ago)

or maybe some reformed serial killer could help the cops to track down other serial killers - as only he can think like they can. I know this sounds a bit like a Thomas Harris novel, but I'm thinking more that the serial killer turned cop has genuinely reformed, except that they keep being tempted to go back to their own ways.

mmmmm.

― DV (dirtyvicar), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 20:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Search:

http://www.usatoday.com/life/photos/movies/ripley2.jpg

http://www.cinema.com/image_lib/18_31_thumb.jpg

Destroy:

http://www.mostradelcinemadivenezia.tv/2002/images/ripleys%20game.jpg

― felicity (felicity), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 20:25 (twenty-two years ago)

I quite wanted to see Ripley's Game...

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 20:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Search:

http://www.manhunter.net/remake/gfx/160/ralph_fiennes.jpg

Destroy:

http://www.thisisbradford.co.uk/bradford__district/leisure/cinema/jpg/red-dragon.jpg

― felicity (felicity), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 20:29 (twenty-two years ago)

I watched part of 'Citizen X' (about Andrei Chikatilo) again on C4 last night. The execution scene is odd. He is ordered by two guards to enter a room in the prison, then to stand somewhere, then he starts to turn round and is told 'please don't turn round' (he complies), and then is shot in the head with a pistol. I gather the single pistol shot to the head was a common Soviet execution method but surely he would have been tied up or secured in some way rather than them relying on his peaceful co-operation?

― David (David), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 21:27 (twenty-two years ago)

I never thought I'd see the day when they'd convict anyone for any of the Green River killings. Wow. And the serial killer was Gary Leon Ridgway all along, huh? Wow. I guess that finally clears William J. Stevens, Jr. -- hm, wonder what his brother thinks about it. I seriously thought they'd get more than one person for the murders. Hm. Wonder why Ridgway deviated from his pattern, then. He just dumped a lot of his victims, but then ended up posing a few of them.

Interesting thing is that ever since Gary Ridgway was arrested for about four or five of the Green River killings, ever since he's been in police custody, suddenly they're finding the remains of some of the missing females who were thought to have been the victims of the Green River killer. They found Pammy Avent, April Buttram, and Marie Malvar, and hopefully they'll find Kelli McGinness, Rebecca Marrero, Patricia Osborn, Kase Lee, and Kristi Vorak. And I wonder who the unidentified victims were. Hmmm.

― Many Coloured Halo (Dee the Lurker), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 22:04 (twenty-two years ago)

is Gary Ridgway that guy that did the "camoflague" single? there was always something a bit weird about him.

― DV (dirtyvicar), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 22:13 (twenty-two years ago)

I'll bet the 'Zo died a long time ago. I thought they had a good idea who it might have been, though.

― Kerry (dymaxia), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 23:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Dee I get weak in the knees when you start talkin' crime

*swoon*

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 23:10 (twenty-two years ago)

What happened to the Unabomber=Zodiac theory?

― L(E^24) (Leee), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 23:14 (twenty-two years ago)

I read a book about the Zodiac last year, and I from what I remember, Kerry is right.

― tokyo rosemary (rosemary), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 23:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Most evil book ever: Autobiography of a Serial Killer by Donald 'Pee Wee' Gaskins.

Search: anything by Jack Olsen

― Freedom Dupont, Thursday, 6 November 2003 00:02 (twenty-two years ago)

What is the general consensus on the fascination with serial killers/"but the criminal mind is sooooo fascinating" argument? What's really going on there?

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 6 November 2003 00:05 (twenty-two years ago)

I think it has to do w/ rituals and ritualization that most people consider marginal, hence my interest in the occult as well as serial killers.

― L(E^24) (Leee), Thursday, 6 November 2003 00:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Dee I get weak in the knees when you start talkin' crime

*stares and blinks*

:0 ...

― Many Coloured Halo (Dee the Lurker), Thursday, 6 November 2003 02:19 (twenty-two years ago)

to be honest, there's a seen one, seen 'em all aspect to serial killers. I mean, From Hell is full of fascinating insights about Jack The Ripper, but it doesn't make me want to obsessively read about all the others. Sad fuckers who kill people, that's about the size of it.

They make good villains in films because there is a kind of existential force of evil aspect to them.

Does anyone remember the Cereal Convention in Sandman?

― DV (dirtyvicar), Thursday, 6 November 2003 15:38 (twenty-two years ago)

I prefer this Red Dragon.

http://www.sensesofcinema.com/images/directors/02/21/manhunter.jpg

― Chris Hungus (Chris V), Thursday, 6 November 2003 16:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Ah. Dear Fracis... "According to you I'm a sexual pervert..."

― Alex K (Alex K), Thursday, 6 November 2003 16:25 (twenty-two years ago)

I just thought he was much more creepy and frightning than the godamn english patient.

― Chris Hungus (Chris V), Thursday, 6 November 2003 16:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Erp, I mean, Francis.

― Alex K (Alex K), Thursday, 6 November 2003 16:27 (twenty-two years ago)

and his tats were pretty bad ass, even though they brushed them right off of the film.

― Chris Hungus (Chris V), Thursday, 6 November 2003 16:28 (twenty-two years ago)

*Sigh* I do so love that film. As far as serial killers go, the notion of dere Walter Sickert being Saucy Jack is something I just can't quite get over. A ludicrous aspertion and one based on pure fantasy but nonethless, highly amusing. Even though I don't believe for a nanosecond that Walt was the Ripper, I find it hugely entertaining to uphold the thought that this highly rated post impresionist was in fact Jack.

― Alex K (Alex K), Thursday, 6 November 2003 16:31 (twenty-two years ago)

I just thought he was much more creepy and frightning than the godamn english patient.

Oh definitely. I just put photos of the attractive movie serial killers under Search. The scenes where Fiennes is all "I'm hideously disfigureded! Like my soul!" are hilarious because he is so not.

― felicity (felicity), Thursday, 6 November 2003 20:14 (twenty-two years ago)

one year passes...

http://www.malevole.com/mv/misc/killerquiz/

Programing Language Inventors or Serial Killers?

― PappaWheelie II, Thursday, 11 August 2005 13:48 (twenty years ago)

One of the bike trails here has been unofficially named The Ted Bundy Trail because he used to hang out along it during his brief stay in Tallahassee.

― Ian Riese-Moraine: a casualty of social estrangement. (Eastern Mantra), Thursday, 11 August 2005 14:10 (twenty years ago)

Abraham Lincoln and Jack the Ripper: One and the Same?

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 11 August 2005 15:47 (twenty years ago)

got 8/10 on the serial killer/programmer thing

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 11 August 2005 16:38 (twenty years ago)

So how come no-one's interested in Harold Shipman - after all, he killed (far) more than anyone.

― Vicious Cop Kills Gentle Fool (Dada), Thursday, 11 August 2005 16:42 (twenty years ago)

I scored 7/10.

― nathalie sans denouement (stevie nixed), Thursday, 11 August 2005 16:46 (twenty years ago)

Whoohoo! 9/10.

I can't help but find Zodiac to be the most interesting, mostly because of the cypher work, the symbology, and the obvious invented personas/information purely for the "I'm fucking with you" vibe. Not getting caught also adds intrigue bonus points...

― John Justen (johnjusten), Friday, 12 August 2005 00:03 (twenty years ago)

one month passes...

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/10/05/DDG7OF1T4R71.DTL

― 400% Nice (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 19:36 (twenty years ago)

J0hn D's first post on this thread is classic.

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 19:43 (twenty years ago)

The scariest thing about Citizen X (Andrey Chikatilo) is that from the descriptions of the police work, I thought the case was from the postwar period, only to find out it was from the 80s. Also, that he had 50+ victims and not many were reported missing, because they were homeless. (Note, this is the only serial killer I have read about because I am very much in agreement with John's first post, esp. with regards to people who romanticize the Manson family)

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 20:26 (twenty years ago)

but the best serial killer moment ever is when Richard Ramirez says "Hail Satan!" to the newscameras as he's being led from the courtoom

I'm reading his bio. It's hellascary.

― nathalie, a bum like you (stevie nixed), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 20:27 (twenty years ago)

it would be great if there was some serial killer who decided to be the greatest serial killer of them all by hunting down and killing all the others.

-- DV (dirtyvica...), November 5th, 2003.

You read too many comics.

That's either the best or the worst film script idea I've ever heard.

-- @d@ml (nordiA HREF="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]om), November 5th, 2003.

Depending on whether or not it stars Keanu Reeves in a major role.

-- nickalicious (nza2342...), November 5th, 2003.

ROFFLE

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 23:02 (twenty years ago)

OTM, too

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 23:02 (twenty years ago)

Edmund Emil Kemper, who in his final act of savagery, decaptated his mother, stood her head on the mantel, and was heard by neighbors screaming at her for several hours.

i think im in love

― sunny successor (he hates my guts, we had a fight) (katharine), Thursday, 6 October 2005 00:22 (twenty years ago)

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xpost sorry i went right into Keith Morris mode lol

― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 14 July 2023 19:07 (two years ago)

*son

― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 14 July 2023 19:08 (two years ago)

One article I implied the break was related to communications/surveillance technology that the Feds brought to bear only recently. For years prior to that, local (Suffolk County) police had refused to bring in the Feds or utilize other technology. Ten years ago someone had taunted the sister of one of the victims with one or more phone calls in which they gloated about the killing and the calls were only traced to somewhere in Manhattan.

My guess is the reference to DNA was that a recent sample had confirmed the suspect already under surveillance was connected to the crimes, not that they found the suspect with DNA.

― il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Friday, 14 July 2023 19:14 (two years ago)

article I read

― il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Friday, 14 July 2023 19:14 (two years ago)

I read Kolker's Lost Girls three or four years ago--I don't remember, but I guess it ended then with the murders unresolved.

― clemenza, Friday, 14 July 2023 19:15 (two years ago)

Yeah I saw something earlier about communications and cell phones being one of the final pieces of evidence.

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Friday, 14 July 2023 19:21 (two years ago)

_I guess if I was a serial killer I probably wouldn't ever want to do renovations if it might involve having workers on the property snooping around._

True, but he had a wife and possibly one or two kids living there as well, according to what I've read. I wonder what they thought of living in that shack while dad commuted to his Fifth Avenue office every day.

Maybe he was a bad architect

― Gerard Grisey Funk (Boring, Maryland), Friday, 14 July 2023 19:42 (two years ago)

that's how they found him

― linoleum gallagher (Neanderthal), Friday, 14 July 2023 19:43 (two years ago)

It’s very hard for me to understand how a guy like this can have an outwardly stable job and seemingly normal family life.

― treeship., Friday, 14 July 2023 20:43 (two years ago)

Whereas nice, normal people often struggle with this stuff.

― treeship., Friday, 14 July 2023 20:43 (two years ago)

https://imgur.com/a/38me63N

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Friday, 14 July 2023 20:59 (two years ago)

oh dammit - I don't remember how to post pics

Anyway, breaking news from the news12 Long Island instagram account (shut up) - Pizza was used to match DNA to Gilgo Beach suspect which is just the most perfectly Long Island thing.

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Friday, 14 July 2023 21:04 (two years ago)

It's becoming apparent that this might have been solved years ago had the previous Suffolk County DA not been so corrupt and incompetent.

― il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Friday, 14 July 2023 21:24 (two years ago)

Yeah the entire thing was crazy corrupt. I have to reread about it to remember the details but that much has been clear for a while.

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Friday, 14 July 2023 21:27 (two years ago)

I say that because the task force found this guy was only formed in February 2022 after the previous DA refused for years until he got convicted of corruption.

― il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Friday, 14 July 2023 21:29 (two years ago)

I mean:

The task force formed to restart the investigation into the Gilgo Beach serial killings was created in February 2022 — more than 10 years after human remains were first found on a stretch of Long Island.
Six weeks later, in March 2022, Rex Heuermann was first named as the potential suspect in the killings, Suffolk County District Attorney Ray Tierney said at a news conference Friday.

― il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Friday, 14 July 2023 21:32 (two years ago)

I just read about how they used his Amex statements to link him to a tinder account which was under a fake name and email which was linked to burner phones. He had repeatedly been searching for info on the case and suspects and also for info on the victims families.

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Friday, 14 July 2023 21:41 (two years ago)

So fucking creepy. Oh and they’ve already established that his wife was either out of state or abroad when 3 out of the 4 murders happened. They could have figured this out years ago. Jesus.

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Friday, 14 July 2023 21:42 (two years ago)

The way these guys will revel in the pain of the families is just some of the sickest shit, not that any aspect of their crimes isn't already on that level.

― omar little, Friday, 14 July 2023 21:54 (two years ago)

That's the part that just made my skin crawl. Not only do you have the pain of losing a family member, but you get stalked afterwards by the creepazoid who did.

― il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Friday, 14 July 2023 22:08 (two years ago)

it.

― il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Friday, 14 July 2023 22:08 (two years ago)

America

Gilgo Beach serial killings suspect Rex Heuermann has permits for 92 guns, Suffolk County District Attorney Ray Tierney said at a news conference Friday.

“He has a very large safe in which guns are kept,” he said.

When asked if investigators have found all 92 guns, Tierney said, “We are continuing to execute search warrants, so I’m sure we will have that answer shortly.”

― omar little, Saturday, 15 July 2023 01:50 (two years ago)

just normal gun things

― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 15 July 2023 02:06 (two years ago)

some amazing detective work by the task force on the cell phone side, everything is outlined here;

https://www.scribd.com/document/659084376/Gilgo-Beach-murder-court-documents#

― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Saturday, 15 July 2023 03:47 (two years ago)

Having read that, this guy's fucking cooked.

― il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Saturday, 15 July 2023 13:11 (two years ago)

also the more I've read about this, they had most of these pieces around to solve this case years ago and simply didn't bother

― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Saturday, 15 July 2023 15:31 (two years ago)

guy seems to have not understood the point of a burner phone is that you use it once, or for one task, and then get rid of it.

― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Saturday, 15 July 2023 15:32 (two years ago)

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