"Hipster" as pejorative.

ok. but i thought guys who dressed like that of whatever ethnicity fell into that bracket too. like steriods, ed hardy, orange tan, being "intense", etc...

let me guess, their unnatural orange-ness is one of the main traits of the guido category?

wait are you saying accessible higher education created this?

yeah, kinda

nobody said socialism was perfect.

originally the term was used mainly to describe really cheesy Italian-Americans but you can be guido without being Italian these days, I think. Essential guido learning material: Photo Thread: Male and Female Douchbags and/or NJ Guidos

see, minus the orange tan, that look was kinda similar to that affected by a number of Latinos where I grew up, and people called them other names.

sportsbros droppin science (cuz they didn't drop science at school)

however the median age is prob about 28 so the full psychopathology is as yet unclear

the general sense of fragile 'intensity' is prob going to cause serious problems by 35 or so, god knows what a 42 yr old ssb will look like

i think based on the version of these guys we have here in the states - the 42 yr old's appearance will be eclipsed by that of his car

xp - Yeah, I guess the most important thing about real guidos is that they hail from the NY tri-state area.

ssbs wd generally kick the shit out of guidos, they're basically dead-inside borderline psychopaths without any italianate playfulness

i think ssbs must be a specific observed UK bracket, and i dunno that we've isolated a similar group over here. like i suspect that a great many of the yuppie fucks who party in my neighborhood are actually ssbs, or something very similar, but through my american eyes, they're just yuppie fucks, or douchebags, or those who aspire towards similar echelons.

do these exist in countries with lower income disparities?

it sounds like they're douchebag jocks - like the kind of guys you see making a big show of grunting and accessorizing into the wee hours at 24 Hour Fitness

ssbs read sun tzu and holiday in thailand, they might get a 17 yr old pregnant but they'll be sensible enough not to do it on the job, they harbour no inhibitions about steroid abuse, they can spell but not pronounce nietzsche, they will have attended a psytrance night and probably like barack obama

― Chinedu "Edu" Obasi Ogbuke (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 01:21 (15 minutes ago)

:D

^this is p much my reaction to 65% of dude's posts but this one especially

also they briefly harboured aspirations of being in the army - this is very important - but after a bit of cadet action decided it wasn't for them

i think it's a lot easier for american ssbs to dissolve w/in the general upscale bro continuum cuz they're not so estranged from the general culture - there's lax gun control, a huge army w/ cool hardware & pervasive militarism, a tradition of retards from middle class families going to college, nfl, loads of easily identified/imagined minorities to hate, a mnstrm political party that's far closer to their worldview than our sardonic/patrician tories

ssbs are the kids who insisted wwf was real until the age of 16 and would fight anyone who disagreed

starting to get where this is coming from now, esp with nakhchivan's detailing. and yeah, kinda indistinguishable from the upscale party bro mass over here.

yeah but "upscale party bro" is a larger constellation of which the douchebag jock is only part of

the cruicial thing about SSB's that distinguishes them from regular jocks is that they fancy themselves as a lil tiny bit alt. but end up looking like alt from 10 years ago. hence being in this thread.

nakhchivan has pretty much nailed it on this thread. relieved that somebody else recognises this as an actual societal sub-group and they're not just "guys who get laid more than me".

yeah I'd conflated them with your typical well-heeled rugby jock but the rugby jocks are much more mannered, in fact adherent to nakh's 'patrician tory' spite - the ssbs are always fighting against society (it is full of the unclean! the uninformed!) rather than creaming off its studmarked topsoil

upscale party bro in UK veers towards jock but in the USA the idea of being stiff enough to be both an upb and a haughty snob is kinda dissonant - hence upb is brash and broad enough to imbibe upon the naivety of the ssb while still possessing the means to command a respectful audience - the UK ssb is a terrifying reclusive timebomb with desperation issues

upscale party bros tend to be snobby only about certain things - like booze, food, cars, consumer electronics, and the chicks they date

are these the same people who have million dollar sweet 16 parties?

ssb's will never have enough money to do that, there's only so many protein shake / energy drink startups a mid-level economy can sustain

are they scientologists?

they're scrawny insecures with nerdship of the body

some of them probably flaky enough to be interested, but there's far less religiosity here

american plutocrat ssb might look like this piece of shit:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erik_Prince

xp

okay see, that's perfect. they want to be beefy upscale party bros but are not, and work too hard at it, and thus are creepy. i know them. they have their own bar just around the corner.

erik prince is a total upssb - half-formed mind, resources of wealth, resembles dork, runs playground killing operation

exactly! uk ssbs don't have the support structure of fundie xtianity to cathect their various inchoate psychoses into a useful work ethnic, they're doomed forever to walk between the winds of lumpen aggro and MBA technocracy

ethic, obv

this sounds terrible! has anyone notable escaped this fate? would that guy on top gear count?

lol at "useful work ethnic" tho

top gear is several degrees too establishment for ssbs although some of them presumably watched it as kids

also can I just

'cathect'

you do realise you can't use words like this and not elicit wide-eyed wonder from yrs flailingly

this sounds terrible! has anyone notable escaped this fate? would that guy on top gear count?

― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 02:20 (3 minutes ago)

if it's the person i think you're referring to he would be more 'typical well-heeled rugby jock'

this thread (and meme) are like this magic petri dish in which the bacteria-cum-debate never stops changing _or_ growing.

Bacteria cum? Gross.

it has been great to learn about other countries' hipster problems - of course the American variety is superior

I dunno. It seems like American hipsterdom is purely transitory and self-correcting while these sports scientists appear
to be a permanent untouchable caste where social intervention only makes the problem worse!

they're not hipsters. the reason i mentioned them is because the last couple of years they've started to dress a bit like a certain kind of london hipster from ten years ago. i suspect this is because a lot of those ppl* are in the media/design mainstream now.

*as described by tvgohome/shoreditch twat circa 1999/2000

the british caste system is way too protean and complex for any outsider to understand, a subgroup like ssbs can only be identified ~because~ it is already in its death throes and is likely splitting and metastasizing through the culture in unforeseeable ways

hipsters tho are pretty easy to define and more or less transnational.....they seem to be more or less the same in london or new york or talinn or wherever

peter saville should be appointed as some kind of "style tzar" to sort all this mess out, imo.

i'd like to read a peter york essay on SSB's:

"there's a certain kind of lower middle class boy, you probably know him. that chap in the superdry top. yes. drinking the magners..."

i think it was suzy? who noted a while back how the hoxton fin (long extinct in hoxton) was basically a suburban/provincial thing these days.....maybe even an ssb thing

^^^ exactomundo. (via david beckham)

Exactomundo was from Fonzie from Happy Days!

Just to conclude in response to way up there somewhere:

I don't feel bad about judging hipsters who are so concerned with letting strangers know exactly what they're into.

the only things I've ever seen you post about is that you really like 90s lo-fi and think hipsters are shallow

Hey a man's gotta have a rounded set of interests.

This thread has done some tremendous work btw. Congratulations, ladies and gentlemen.

i recognize ssb, but i'm not sure lj does

kind of powerskimmed through the recent posts... none of yall are talking about hipsters!?

wonder if dom has an angle on 'brit-guido' dudes