"Hipster" as pejorative.

i'm still talking about how "nathan barley" types influnced the sartorial mores of the most mainstream of uk bros ten years on.

ah come on don't do the "it's just a joke" thing! had to deal with this from more than one friend already. x-post to erica...

I'm not stopping anyone, just saying it seems many hipsters are so concerned with letting everyone know how hip they are that I have trouble determining whether ____ is to help them fit in to the hip crowd, or whether they feel legitimately strongly about ____. I just think doing something just to fit in is stupid thats all

none of the above actually means anything. how do you know what someone is concerned about or why they do what they do? and how is disliking people for that perceived behaviour mean you aren't trying to fit in?

what if someone said you are just saying the above because others are...and to fit in?

Jesus, I can't believe that video which I thought was somewhat amusing but mainly because they said "dickhead" a lot and I have the sense of humor of a 12 year old, has spawned this many posts. You guys are sure getting fired up about this.

― master of retardment (ENBB), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 00:43 (3 minutes ago)

no.....it initially led to a discussion of the construction of english h______s (who didn't used to be called that)

now we're trying to define sportsciencebros

so tired of being alt.
just want 2 "chill at spoonies" and smash some "high street honeys"
"ride the steriod-waves" while drinkin magners with my bros.
fixin my elaborately gelled hair with "shockwaves clay putty extreme hold"
talk abt how fight club is "mad deep".
and compare sweet fcuk/bench/superdry/WSC xtra large tees
(via 2k-zero era hipsters working in mnstrm fashion)

Is there an honorable breed of sportsciencebros? I remember reading Stephen Hawking used to be on the rowing team during better days.

hmmmm... nope.

if a social worker meets an at-risk 10yr old kid called raoul in 2021, they have identified the progeny of a sportsciencebro

entrylevel ssbs will diversify into estate agency etc but the core bro's are basically restricted to

army then private security
bouncers
gym employees / personal trainers
pe teachers

i don't know if enough research has been done about the effects the last group will have on the education system

PE teachers have forever been proto-post-SSBs, no?

there's a lot of stuff in the ssb world that would seem quite alien to yr trad pe teacher

ssbs read sun tzu and holiday in thailand, they might get a 17 yr old pregnant but they'll be sensible enough not to do it on the job, they harbour no inhibitions about steroid abuse, they can spell but not pronounce nietzsche, they will have attended a psytrance night and probably like barack obama

when did we stop saying douchebag?

self-answering questions...

yeah, i think in the US we would just call those dudes douchebags

that's never really been a common pejorative in england

anyway, they're only one star in that constellation

it's basically the result of anybody being able to go to uni as long as they get 2 Ns and a U or something, or even just a note from yr mum saying you had hayfever during your general studies exam.

sarahel:

i'm thinking maybe "guidos?" although maybe a little bit further up the class system.

i have no idea what a guido is.

guidos are italian-american douchebags

sounds like an east-coast thing

guidos:

http://media.masslive.com/entertainment/photo/jersey-shore-1228jpg-014069a13b34befb_large.jpg

yeah, it's an east coast thing. jersey shore, etc.

ok. but i thought guys who dressed like that of whatever ethnicity fell into that bracket too. like steriods, ed hardy, orange tan, being "intense", etc...

let me guess, their unnatural orange-ness is one of the main traits of the guido category?

wait are you saying accessible higher education created this?

yeah, kinda

nobody said socialism was perfect.

originally the term was used mainly to describe really cheesy Italian-Americans but you can be guido without being Italian these days, I think. Essential guido learning material: Photo Thread: Male and Female Douchbags and/or NJ Guidos

see, minus the orange tan, that look was kinda similar to that affected by a number of Latinos where I grew up, and people called them other names.

sportsbros droppin science (cuz they didn't drop science at school)

however the median age is prob about 28 so the full psychopathology is as yet unclear

the general sense of fragile 'intensity' is prob going to cause serious problems by 35 or so, god knows what a 42 yr old ssb will look like

i think based on the version of these guys we have here in the states - the 42 yr old's appearance will be eclipsed by that of his car

xp - Yeah, I guess the most important thing about real guidos is that they hail from the NY tri-state area.

ssbs wd generally kick the shit out of guidos, they're basically dead-inside borderline psychopaths without any italianate playfulness

i think ssbs must be a specific observed UK bracket, and i dunno that we've isolated a similar group over here. like i suspect that a great many of the yuppie fucks who party in my neighborhood are actually ssbs, or something very similar, but through my american eyes, they're just yuppie fucks, or douchebags, or those who aspire towards similar echelons.

do these exist in countries with lower income disparities?

it sounds like they're douchebag jocks - like the kind of guys you see making a big show of grunting and accessorizing into the wee hours at 24 Hour Fitness

ssbs read sun tzu and holiday in thailand, they might get a 17 yr old pregnant but they'll be sensible enough not to do it on the job, they harbour no inhibitions about steroid abuse, they can spell but not pronounce nietzsche, they will have attended a psytrance night and probably like barack obama

― Chinedu "Edu" Obasi Ogbuke (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 01:21 (15 minutes ago)

:D

^this is p much my reaction to 65% of dude's posts but this one especially

also they briefly harboured aspirations of being in the army - this is very important - but after a bit of cadet action decided it wasn't for them

i think it's a lot easier for american ssbs to dissolve w/in the general upscale bro continuum cuz they're not so estranged from the general culture - there's lax gun control, a huge army w/ cool hardware & pervasive militarism, a tradition of retards from middle class families going to college, nfl, loads of easily identified/imagined minorities to hate, a mnstrm political party that's far closer to their worldview than our sardonic/patrician tories

ssbs are the kids who insisted wwf was real until the age of 16 and would fight anyone who disagreed

starting to get where this is coming from now, esp with nakhchivan's detailing. and yeah, kinda indistinguishable from the upscale party bro mass over here.

yeah but "upscale party bro" is a larger constellation of which the douchebag jock is only part of

the cruicial thing about SSB's that distinguishes them from regular jocks is that they fancy themselves as a lil tiny bit alt. but end up looking like alt from 10 years ago. hence being in this thread.

nakhchivan has pretty much nailed it on this thread. relieved that somebody else recognises this as an actual societal sub-group and they're not just "guys who get laid more than me".

yeah I'd conflated them with your typical well-heeled rugby jock but the rugby jocks are much more mannered, in fact adherent to nakh's 'patrician tory' spite - the ssbs are always fighting against society (it is full of the unclean! the uninformed!) rather than creaming off its studmarked topsoil

upscale party bro in UK veers towards jock but in the USA the idea of being stiff enough to be both an upb and a haughty snob is kinda dissonant - hence upb is brash and broad enough to imbibe upon the naivety of the ssb while still possessing the means to command a respectful audience - the UK ssb is a terrifying reclusive timebomb with desperation issues

upscale party bros tend to be snobby only about certain things - like booze, food, cars, consumer electronics, and the chicks they date

are these the same people who have million dollar sweet 16 parties?

ssb's will never have enough money to do that, there's only so many protein shake / energy drink startups a mid-level economy can sustain

are they scientologists?

they're scrawny insecures with nerdship of the body

some of them probably flaky enough to be interested, but there's far less religiosity here

american plutocrat ssb might look like this piece of shit:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erik_Prince

xp

okay see, that's perfect. they want to be beefy upscale party bros but are not, and work too hard at it, and thus are creepy. i know them. they have their own bar just around the corner.

erik prince is a total upssb - half-formed mind, resources of wealth, resembles dork, runs playground killing operation

exactly! uk ssbs don't have the support structure of fundie xtianity to cathect their various inchoate psychoses into a useful work ethnic, they're doomed forever to walk between the winds of lumpen aggro and MBA technocracy