ILX BOOKS OF THE 00s: THE RESULTS! (or: Ismael compiles his reading list, 2010-2019)

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^^

genial anarchy (darraghmac), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 14:45 (fourteen years ago) link

(well i'm not crying but the rest of it)

genial anarchy (darraghmac), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 14:46 (fourteen years ago) link

During my research I found out that the author spent part of his own childhood in Holland (like the narrator). That's cleared something up for me at least, because (like I said in the link) when I read this I just couldn't believe how completely he'd taken on the guy's voice in all aspects of his life - I'm still in awe, but now what he's pulled off at least seems plausible.

Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 15:41 (fourteen years ago) link

haha that netherland post is one of my firsts posts on ilx b4 i posted regularly. its written in the afterglow for sure - his writing is so good and so assured u dont really notice much else at first~

to say that nothing happens is kinda missing the point tho - its not lol harry potter - its a novel abt the anxiety of shifting perspectives. i thought that the narrator and the cricket dude where really well-drawn and well-revealed but buying into their relationship and how it moves the narrator is the core of the book. i guess if u dont sympathize with or register that change than its a p empty book

its hard to be concise here but while i think the book does fail in its larger thematic concerns but i thought it was jamesian in its softly-glowing illumination of one man's journey~~~

Lamp, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 15:55 (fourteen years ago) link

but i mean take all this w/ a grain of salt since i had "netherland" ranked lower than a book where a bunch of veteran soldiers magically transform into a giant tiger \o_0/

Lamp, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 15:56 (fourteen years ago) link

One theme that only came through the second time I read it - the first half is full of different people being brought together, like Hans joining the West Indians in their cricket club, the crazy schemes for finding hidden ethnic restaurants, all the lost souls at the hotel. In the second half that's gone - it's all dinner parties with banking colleagues, unwelcoming Russian bathhouses, and the hotel's residents being repatriated. There's barely a black person left in the book, only Chuck, still trying to make connections and pursue his dream that no-one wants any more.

Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 16:10 (fourteen years ago) link

52. Gilead - Marilynne Robinson (2004)
(45 points, two votes, one first-placed vote)

http://ndn2.newsweek.com/media/97/robinson-marilynne-author-home-BK01-wide-horizontal.jpg

I finished Gilead by Marilynne Robinson a few weeks ago. It was rich, complex, wonderful.
― Jaq (Jaq), Tuesday, April 12, 2005 3:18 AM (4 years ago)

Marilyn Robinson's "Gilead" is just really slaying me at the moment. i have to keep putting it down because the writing is so beautiful.
― jed_ (jed), Saturday, July 2, 2005 9:34 PM (4 years ago)

Marilynne Robinson's "Gilead" which is beautiful and precise and wonderful and complex and still. I'm reading it very slowly and, for the first time in a long time, i'm in no particular rush to reach the end. i LOVE this book. please read it.
― jed_ (jed), Sunday, July 10, 2005 10:59 PM (4 years ago)

i'm nearly finished Housekeeping. i... kinda like it but, for me, it's nowhere near the book "Gilead" is. that's a huge towering masterpiece. even while i was reading it i knew it was going to be a top ten book for me and, indeed, it is.
― jed_ (jed), Tuesday, August 16, 2005 11:58 PM (4 years ago)

over and over again i found i had to stop reading "Gilead" because i was crying AT THE BEAUTY OF IT and that is not a word of a lie. please read it.
― jed_ (jed), Wednesday, August 17, 2005 12:01 AM (4 years ago)

i cried throughout large sections of Marilynne Robinson's "Gilead" this year. In recent years almost no other book has made me cry so it took me by surprise somewhat.
― jed_ (jed), Friday, October 7, 2005 10:52 PM (4 years ago)

i recommend Gilead to anyone (ahem) though i won't be lending it out in case i don't get it back. my favourite book of this year by some distance.
― jed_ (jed), Saturday, December 24, 2005 9:34 PM (4 years ago)

Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 16:22 (fourteen years ago) link

Wld love for jed_ to be Marilynne Robinson online alias & just a really arrogantly huge fan of her own work.

nothing good came of it (woofwoofwoof), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 16:38 (fourteen years ago) link

Housekeeping is one of those books I consider a magnificent artistic achievement, but on some level don't really LIKE. Like Mrs. Dalloway. Beautiful and somehow inhuman. But I should read Gilead.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 16:40 (fourteen years ago) link

a book where a bunch of veteran soldiers magically transform into a giant tiger

what the what

take me to your lemur (ledge), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 16:53 (fourteen years ago) link

that description, while vaguely true, oversells the book 1000%

genial anarchy (darraghmac), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 16:58 (fourteen years ago) link

a book where a bunch of veteran soldiers magically transform into a giant tiger

This bit in The Corrections always surprises me.

nothing good came of it (woofwoofwoof), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 17:08 (fourteen years ago) link

maybe if peter fucking jackson directed it

genial anarchy (darraghmac), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 17:11 (fourteen years ago) link

a book where a bunch of veteran soldiers magically transform into a giant tiger

knew I should have read the Sinai diving guide all the way to the end

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 17:49 (fourteen years ago) link

u guyz clearly i was talking abt cãrtãrescu's nostalgia ~ which btw placed waaaaaay too low itt.

Lamp, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 20:24 (fourteen years ago) link

Gilead's such a beautiful book -- the cursed thing even made me want to start going to church, savage atheist that I am. Can't say it made me cry, but I'll admit to some manful flexing of the lacrimal apparatus. Liked it a whole lot more than Housekeeping, great though as that book is.

Øystein, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 21:01 (fourteen years ago) link

That was only the 2005 quotes from jed_, by the way - s/he was still going eighteen months later before I stopped looking

Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 21:08 (fourteen years ago) link

I've been following along - excellent job Ismael, this has been great for my Amazon wishlist!!

Gilead is really beautiful, and Oystein OTM about wanting to start going to church. Haven't been since I was small and Gilead actually made me *miss* church.

Also re that Wells Tower book way upthread -- he read one of the stories on This American Life, that's how I first heard of it. May be why it struck some as being familiar?

VegemiteGrrrl, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 21:55 (fourteen years ago) link

Europeana killing me btw. Thanks this thread.

nothing good came of it (woofwoofwoof), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 21:56 (fourteen years ago) link

A bonus one tonight, then that's it because I'm practically falling asleep. Top fifty starts tomorrow.

Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 22:06 (fourteen years ago) link

51. Me Talk Pretty One Day - David Sedaris (2000)
(46 points, five votes)

http://files.performingarts.ucla.edu/0607images/davidsedaris/Sedaris%20Hi%20Res%20Color%20(photo%20by%20Robert%20Banks).jpg

DAVID SEDARIS = genius
David Sedaris, Douglas Rackoff & Sarah Vowell

I remember reading "Me Talk Pretty One Day" between planes in an airport once, and practically weeping I was laughing so hard. Granted, i was exhausted, but still.
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, January 19, 2004 10:55 PM (6 years ago)

I was rather disturbed by the stuff in 'Me Talk Pretty One Day' about how Sedaris went to Paris and did nothing but watch American movies there and mock the illogicality of the gender system in the French language. Then there were the put- downs of faggoty New York restaurants with their 'over-creative food', and the jokes about pretentious art students doing drugs.

Sedaris, like any writer, writes about what he knows. But he's a satirist, so he attacks what he knows. When this is persecution, like the 'speech therapy' he underwent at school, that's fine. But when, later, he has approximately the kind of life he deserves -- a gay, sophisticated, metropolitan one -- he attacks that too. That's when it gets problematical for me. Paris and New York are too sophisticated, and the suburbs are too boring and straight. Breeders from the boondocks get mocked when they visit him in New York, but queeny head waiters get mocked too.
So where does Sedaris stand? What are his unquestionable values, his unimpeachable virtues? They seem to be 'me and my sister, and our difference from everybody else'. And I'm a teensy bit concerned by some sort of autism there.
― Momus, Wednesday, May 29, 2002 12:00 AM (7 years ago)

I remember laughing out loud at these:
...
8. David Sedaris: Me Talk Pretty One Day (*)
...
*: I pissed my pants laughing while reading these.
― Vermont Girl (Vermont Girl), Thursday, February 19, 2004 2:34 PM (5 years ago)

Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 22:07 (fourteen years ago) link

He never advanced from, or ever even equalled, the incredible promise of _Barrel Fever_.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 4 February 2010 02:35 (fourteen years ago) link

I don't know the guy, but I'd guess that Alex and Vermont Girl were reading him in the right spirit, and Momus was not.

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 4 February 2010 08:11 (fourteen years ago) link

That's a big ass image up there.

The Man With the Magic Eardrums (Billy Dods), Thursday, 4 February 2010 08:45 (fourteen years ago) link

So it is. I'd been trying to keep it to small pics, and even went so far as to reduce some of the ones upthread, but life is just a bit too short to make that the rule. I did think there was some kind of size limiter on the board though.

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 4 February 2010 10:06 (fourteen years ago) link

50. The Perry Bible Fellowship: The Trial Of Colonel Sweeto and Other Stories - Nicholas Gurewitch (2008)
(46 points, six votes)

http://popculturezoo.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/pbf165-yarteries.jpg
http://jdsmanstories.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/PBF146-Bumble_Buzzin.jpg
http://jdsmanstories.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/PBF210-Wishing_Well.gif

The Perry Bible Fellowship has a new home in G2

I'm a huge fan of "smart people humor", and PBF has never let me down. It was torture having to wait the long months until I received this book for a Christmas present - I was instructed not to buy it from the gift giver.
Two thumbs up, Mr. Gurewitch. Two thumbs up. Hurry up with a sequel already!
― and what, Monday, January 7, 2008 3:18 PM (2 years ago)

* Perry Bible Fellowship / Nicholas Gurewitch - fucking great, of course. I'm inspired that this comic could become a success.
― Nhex, Tuesday, April 15, 2008 6:39 PM (1 year ago)

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 4 February 2010 10:22 (fourteen years ago) link

haha, i didn't get my votes in on time for this poll, unfortunately, but i would have voted Gilead number 1. i'm interested to know who did vote it top. i've probably never been caught online being so effusive so i'm happy about that, thanks Ismael ;)

jed_, Thursday, 4 February 2010 10:37 (fourteen years ago) link

Haha, that's brilliant, I'm glad you're around - I laughed like a horse when I realised all the quotes I was pulling down were by the same person!

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 4 February 2010 10:44 (fourteen years ago) link

i did too after i got over the embarrassment :D

jed_, Thursday, 4 February 2010 10:47 (fourteen years ago) link

By the way, what's Gilead actually about?

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 4 February 2010 10:50 (fourteen years ago) link

no idea. i've never read it.

jed_, Thursday, 4 February 2010 10:54 (fourteen years ago) link

with this and the movie thread concurrent i'm wishing today wasn't my busiest at work in months.

thanks again IK sterling work.

genial anarchy (darraghmac), Thursday, 4 February 2010 12:47 (fourteen years ago) link

aw, shucks. Omar's done a beautiful job over there, I'm having to really step up my image hunting

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 4 February 2010 12:49 (fourteen years ago) link

oh yeah absolutely he's showing you up in a big way but y'know, you work with what you have i'm sure.

genial anarchy (darraghmac), Thursday, 4 February 2010 12:51 (fourteen years ago) link

49. 45 - Bill Drummond (2000)
(47 points, three votes)

http://i46.tinypic.com/kesntg.jpg

45 by Bill Drummond is one of the best books I've ever read full stop, never mind music books. Read that.
― Johnney B (Johnney B), Friday, February 11, 2005 1:28 PM (4 years ago)

"Bill Drummond's '45' is a marvellous book. He's a great writer.
Julian Cope's two tomes are hilarious and entertaining. A great writer he is not."
You are fucking high. Julian Cope can write rings around Bill Drummond.
Still, I have to pick Mr. Drummond in this particular deathmatch. He writes his ass off, plus he was in the KLF. NO CONTEST
― retort pouch (retort pouch), Wednesday, October 15, 2003 4:34 AM (6 years ago)

I prefer Pete Doherty to Bill Drummond.
― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Tuesday, February 28, 2006 10:16 AM (3 years ago)

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 4 February 2010 12:55 (fourteen years ago) link

I *think* I ended up not voting for PBF, although I do love his style, but I did vote for 45. Having said that, I can't really think of anything to say about it. My friend lives in the exactly correct position to have been made soup by Drummond, though, and never did anything about it, which annoys me no end.

emil.y, Thursday, 4 February 2010 13:06 (fourteen years ago) link

Yay, two of my noms made the top 50, which was two more than I expected.

The pieces on Peter Green in 45 and his idea for a Scottish World Cup record are two of my favourite pieces of music writing anywhere. The Green one in particular is a heartbreaking portrait of fandom and the reality of meeting your idols.

The Man With the Magic Eardrums (Billy Dods), Thursday, 4 February 2010 13:14 (fourteen years ago) link

Right, I'm going to get this myself now. Seen it many times in Fopp, never bothered opening it.

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 4 February 2010 13:25 (fourteen years ago) link

Wonderful book, 45. I somehow missed the whole voting/noms process so choices like this - books I loved but haven't even thought of for 10 years - are a very pleasant surprise.

Dorian (Dorianlynskey), Thursday, 4 February 2010 13:41 (fourteen years ago) link

48. House Of Leaves - Mark Z Danielewski (2000)
(49 points, five votes)

http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/5382/houseofleaves.jpg

'House of Leaves' by Mark Z. Danielewski
ILB is too slow so let's have a thread about Mark Z. Danielewski's House of Leaves

Reinvents the novel as we know it, whilst scaring you out of your skin for days.
― G Parkes, Sunday, April 8, 2001 12:00 AM (8 years ago)

...For the last several weeks I've been travelling across the upper United States--listening on the car CD player, coincidentally, to lots of flamenco and Greco, as well as Donizetti and Momus--and I'm struck by how many Amish and Mennonite (and related) colonies are still out there. These are people who very purposefully try to eradicate nearly all that is "modern" and "decadent" and "pop" from their lives, right down to eschewing buttons for toggles. No cars, no electricity, but even if TV were mule-powered they'd do a parental lock on every channel. They, too, want to create another year and another world to live in. At Niagara Falls I was followed for blocks by a whole gaggle of bearded (but not mustached) men in collarless shirts with suspenders and their "womenfolk" in aproned pinafores and bonnets--I looked to their feet, expecting high-laced boots, but to my astonishment saw they all wore black Reeboks. One wonders if the young boys among the clan were wearing Insane Clown Possee t-shirts under their gingham. All utopias have their rebels (just ask Lucifer). And I wondered what they thought of me with my digital camera and Tevas.
― X. Y. Zedd, Tuesday, June 12, 2001 12:00 AM (8 years ago)

Wow, XYZ, I really like your last contribution; I think you should check out House of Leaves by Mark Z Danielewski -- that is, if you haven't already. It sounds like the book you're trying to recall.
― suzy, Tuesday, June 12, 2001 12:00 AM (8 years ago)

Ik zal dat House of Leaves maar eens gaan proberen.
― Vasquesz, Saturday, February 1, 2003 3:35 PM (7 years ago)

House of Leaves is a book I picked up because the first conversation I had alone with this girl I'd met that didn't involve her pants was about the book. We're now moving in together, if I get into the school I want to get into, so we'll have two copies ... and I'm only just now getting around to reading it.
― Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, May 14, 2003 2:19 AM (6 years ago)

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 4 February 2010 13:55 (fourteen years ago) link

Oh ho, another of my picks. I always have to preface discussions about this by saying it is a VERY flawed boook, and there are certain bits of this that still make me cringe. On the other hand, I really rate it as an excellent horror story, and while the formalist aspects are gimmicky in a way that most authors I rate avoid, they are FUN, and they do make sense within the context of the book. Yes, it may be a case of function following form for much of the time, but when actually carried out in a way that works, there really isn't anything wrong with that.

Would still recommend this to anyone.

emil.y, Thursday, 4 February 2010 13:59 (fourteen years ago) link

I don't think another book has scared me like House of Leaves although I stopped reading about halfway when the pages/story became too complicated to know what I was really following. It didn't help that I tried to start reading it leading up to my dissertation, I guess as I already had 2 or 3 or 4 books a week on the go already.

80085 (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 4 February 2010 14:09 (fourteen years ago) link

Another great book. A tremendous attempt to combine postmodern tricksiness with visceral scares.

Dorian (Dorianlynskey), Thursday, 4 February 2010 14:17 (fourteen years ago) link

Also one of the few 00s novels with a bona fide cult following. I could be wrong but I don't imagine it was met with adoring mainstream reviews.

Dorian (Dorianlynskey), Thursday, 4 February 2010 14:18 (fourteen years ago) link

Definitely hit a run of 4-5 books here that I'll be investing in

genial anarchy (darraghmac), Thursday, 4 February 2010 14:19 (fourteen years ago) link

Yes, Netherland through to House of Leaves is gold - Gilead is the only one I haven't read. If only jed would tell me whether it was worth investigating.

Dorian (Dorianlynskey), Thursday, 4 February 2010 14:23 (fourteen years ago) link

47. The Yiddish Policemen's Union - Michael Chabon (2007)
(49 points, two votes, one first-placed vote)

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b210/coffee_milk/yiddish2.jpg

Michael Chabon

Alex in Montreal:
Chabon has a better handle on the plot of this than Kavalier and Clay, and his continued journey into the realm of literary takes on pulp conceits is rewarding, but there seems less at stake here - intellectually, emotionally, and thematically.

yiddish policeman's union is great and totally made me call everyone sweetness for like six months after.
― schlump, Friday, October 10, 2008 3:31 AM (1 year ago)

it's...strange. Not bad, but I think he overuses the alternate history motif until it becomes alien and difficult for me to read as anything but sci-fi. The premise of Israel losing the 1948 war and Jews relocating to Alaska as Roosevelt suggested is interesting, but there is an overload of details by attempting to translate 1930s Jewish life into a modern day setting, as if by losing Israel, culture is frozen in the ghettos of Lodz, the pale of settlement is just the pale of Alaska now, etc.
― jocelyn, Friday, May 4, 2007 4:14 AM (2 years ago)

Apart from the various Skull & Bones regalia lining the walls of the cabin, there isn't much in Castro's photos that you wouldn't encounter at a typical college house party. The alleged Skull & Bones members appear in the pictures along with discarded cans of Keystone Light, liquor bottles, and a copy of michael Chabon's The Yiddish Policeman's Union.
― Elvis Telecom, Monday, December 14, 2009 11:10 PM (1 month ago)

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 4 February 2010 15:07 (fourteen years ago) link

If only jed would tell me whether it was worth investigating.

LOL!

jed_, Thursday, 4 February 2010 16:26 (fourteen years ago) link

YPU got me through a tough period of baby-related sleeplessness - a hugely entertaining genre exercise but I'll be disappointed if (cf The Final Solution) that's all he's interested in now. Kavalier and Klay was more substantial and moving than that.

Dorian (Dorianlynskey), Thursday, 4 February 2010 17:04 (fourteen years ago) link

cf. also jews with swords, can't remember the actual title. plus the essays.

thomp, Thursday, 4 February 2010 17:10 (fourteen years ago) link


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