― Fred (Fred), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 21:13 (nineteen years ago) link
MegaTokyo has been on the verge of joining that list for about two years, but I keep reading it.
I sound so negative now! Bobbins was great, and is no longer being written; but John does Scary Go Round now, which is sometimes better, and uses many of the same characters. Both of them are strips that are better once you've read them for a couple weeks -- not for continuity/plot reasons like with so many of the popular webcomics, but because you get the rhythm of it.
― Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 21:31 (nineteen years ago) link
1) I don't have the time or interest to read a year's worth of archives to catch up on the story. I have two piles of books next to my desk I've been meaning to read, and a nice town library.
2) I have an allergic reaction to self-righteousness, and to the things people write to illustrate their opinions on whatever it is that's near and dear to them this week. This is why I don't read the syndicated strip Frazz anymore, either.
3) People who are constantly unhappy, angry, depressed, or under the influence of teenage hormones produce terrible art more often than not, but will frequently find other unhappy, angry, depressed, or teenage people to cheer them on.
)
― Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 21:36 (nineteen years ago) link
― Philip Alderman (Phil A), Thursday, 5 August 2004 09:18 (nineteen years ago) link
― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 5 August 2004 17:28 (nineteen years ago) link
i visit get your war on and explodingdog. the 2nd one isn't so much a comic as it is art. the guy makes pictures based on words or a sentence people send him. cool.
― Vermont Girl (Vermont Girl), Thursday, 5 August 2004 17:28 (nineteen years ago) link
― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 5 August 2004 17:31 (nineteen years ago) link
― Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 5 August 2004 17:35 (nineteen years ago) link
― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 5 August 2004 17:39 (nineteen years ago) link
― Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 5 August 2004 18:04 (nineteen years ago) link
― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 5 August 2004 18:27 (nineteen years ago) link
― Vic Fluro, Thursday, 5 August 2004 19:00 (nineteen years ago) link
(Tell us more about Daily Dinosaur Comics, Vic? That's the only one mentioned so far that I haven't heard of.)
― Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 5 August 2004 19:06 (nineteen years ago) link
Essentially it's a strip which uses the same pictures every day, only changing the words. Withing this limitation it crafts strips of unearthly beauty.
― Vic Fluro, Thursday, 5 August 2004 19:12 (nineteen years ago) link
― Vic Fluro, Thursday, 5 August 2004 21:16 (nineteen years ago) link
Actually, I've scanned back through the archives and stuff that I thought was kind of "meh" in the daily format is great when you read it in a big chunk, like the whole thing with the haunted house and the Harry Potter parodies.
― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 5 August 2004 21:38 (nineteen years ago) link
― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Friday, 6 August 2004 08:23 (nineteen years ago) link
― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 6 August 2004 12:59 (nineteen years ago) link
That hasn't stopped me from digging through the entire archive like a big fool, so it must have something going for it, much like a car crash.
― Vic Fluro, Friday, 6 August 2004 13:12 (nineteen years ago) link
― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 6 August 2004 13:23 (nineteen years ago) link
― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 6 August 2004 13:33 (nineteen years ago) link
PvP does have way too many moments where Kurtz-the-guy overshadows Kurtz-the-cartoonist, but the best moments are still better than most current newspaper comics. (I realize that these days that's faint praise.)
MegaTokyo, I have no idea how to explain. A lot of weeks, I skip it altogether, and then start reading again without catching up on the old strips. It was definitely better in the beginning, and the art isn't consistent enough any more for that to be my reason for reading. I dunno. You've got me.
― Tep (ktepi), Friday, 6 August 2004 16:49 (nineteen years ago) link
― Vermont Girl (Vermont Girl), Friday, 6 August 2004 17:10 (nineteen years ago) link
― Tep (ktepi), Friday, 6 August 2004 17:24 (nineteen years ago) link
― Fred (Fred), Saturday, 7 August 2004 18:35 (nineteen years ago) link
GOODBYE CRUEL WORLD!!! HELLO, SEXXY WORLD!!!!!
― Casuistry (Chris P), Saturday, 7 August 2004 21:16 (nineteen years ago) link
― Fred (Fred), Saturday, 7 August 2004 21:53 (nineteen years ago) link
It's old.
― Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 23:26 (nineteen years ago) link
― Fred (Fred), Monday, 16 August 2004 14:49 (nineteen years ago) link
― Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 04:05 (nineteen years ago) link
What webcomics are you guys currently reading? (guilty pleasure + not) Like anything you've still got on your RSS feed or do that few month at a time reading session thing? Here are all of mine (way more guilty pleasure* than actual pleasure at this point):
AchewoodComic Critics (thru the Comics Should Be Good feed)Pearls Before Swine (newspaper comic, not webcomic, but in my RSS feed)Penny ArcadePvPQuestionable ContentTom TomorrowxkcdMedium LargeHapple Tea
*Meaning here that it gave me pleasure at one point, or I fell into soap opera'y relationship to the comic and now I just read it because I've been reading it for so long. Only comics in this list I'd strongly go to bat for in the last year are Medium Large + Achewood. Looking for something new and exciting!
― Mordy, Tuesday, 20 July 2010 22:28 (thirteen years ago) link
Oh, and of course Axe Cop, but I only read that once in awhile.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 20 July 2010 22:29 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm not sure if my not knowing a word of russian is coloring my view, but I can't think of a better site than caricatura.ru
http://caricatura.ru/parad/vasilenko/pic/15489.gif
― Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 20 July 2010 22:35 (thirteen years ago) link
http://caricatura.ru/black/alex_gordin/pic/684.jpg
I really like that whoever did this probably did it during a boring lecture on the back of the xeroxed study materials.
― Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 20 July 2010 22:44 (thirteen years ago) link
I think my favorite is Dinosaur Comics!
― could be a bad day for (Abbott), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 22:46 (thirteen years ago) link
I used to read Dinosaur Comics every day, but the shtick wears off imo after awhile.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 20 July 2010 22:59 (thirteen years ago) link
i should stress that the comics on caricatura.ru have a wider range than just people brandishing weapons. (no offense to axe cop)
― Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 20 July 2010 23:00 (thirteen years ago) link
There seems to be a huge concern in axe cop about people joining each other's teams and whatnot -- it is secretly a comic about the formation of community!
― Mordy, Friday, 23 July 2010 11:14 (thirteen years ago) link
Just noticed that Jason Little's Motel Art Improvement Service (aka Bee) is going to print via Dark Horse next month... good for him!
― Nhex, Friday, 5 November 2010 20:44 (thirteen years ago) link
http://marvel.com/news/story/15347/fear_itself_deadpool
Chris Hastings (Dr. McNinja) writing Deadpool
― Nhex, Wednesday, 9 March 2011 21:57 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.romanticallyapocalyptic.com/
I love it.
― Mordy, Wednesday, 6 April 2011 20:58 (thirteen years ago) link
Wasn't sure at first, but I was convinced by this one:http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/001/d/7/romantically_apocalyptic_05_by_alexiuss-d2hvyon.jpg
― You're fucking fired and you know jack shit about horses (James Morrison), Wednesday, 6 April 2011 23:11 (thirteen years ago) link
Kerr found this one and posted it on the chatz thread. It's amazing:http://nedroid.com/2009/05/party-cat-full-series/
― Mordy, Monday, 11 April 2011 23:06 (thirteen years ago) link
The Nedroid stuff is hilarious sometimes.
I think the only webcomic I read regularly now is Hark, A Vagrant. http://www.harkavagrant.com/
― Bill, Monday, 11 April 2011 23:16 (thirteen years ago) link
Kate Beaton is awesome.
Anybody ever read Bad Machinery? A lot of webcomics wear out their welcome with me really quickly, but Bad machinery is a long-form serial narrative and quite enjoyable if you don't mind something that adults and teens could both like: http://scarygoround.com/index.php?date=20090921. That narration drops out really quickly (was surprised to see it there).
― rob, Monday, 11 April 2011 23:39 (thirteen years ago) link
Whoa - I didn't even know John Allison had anything new. I loved Bobbins and Scary Go Round, I don't know when I lost track of him!
― Bill, Monday, 11 April 2011 23:51 (thirteen years ago) link
OH man, I envy you getting to read a whole bunch of it at your own pace! I've not read his earlier stuff, but my brother who reads a lot of webcomics thinks Bad Machinery is a big step up from SGR.
― rob, Monday, 11 April 2011 23:55 (thirteen years ago) link
SGR definitely went through good and bad patches. I really don't know how I missed this! This is a good week to find out about this, I have a big block of free time on Thursday.
― Bill, Tuesday, 12 April 2011 00:00 (thirteen years ago) link
I've been digging Allison's work for a few years now -- I really think he's brilliant.
Daily webcomic checks: Bad Machinery, Diesel Sweeties, Scenes from a Multiverse*, WIGU and/or Overcompensating depending on what Rowland is focusing on at the time.
*currently sporadic while Rosenberg's wife is going through a difficult pregnancy
― The Louvin Spoonful (WmC), Tuesday, 12 April 2011 00:01 (thirteen years ago) link
A lot of webcomics wear out their welcome with me really quickly
Also, I'm with you on this. This was probably what happened with me and Sluggy Freelance, mentioned at the top of the thread, and I still have Order of the Stick in Google Reader because when I first saw it I thought the whole conceit of "D&D characters talk and think in game-mechanics terms" was hilarious, but I haven't actually clicked on the link to read the comic in ages. I don't think it got worse, the novelty just wore off.
― Bill, Tuesday, 12 April 2011 00:04 (thirteen years ago) link
Bad Machinery so good!
― Mordy, Tuesday, 12 April 2011 01:41 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, Bad Machinery is definitely a step up from his previous stuff, which was always pretty fun. Shame to hear that it may not be successful enough for him to keep doing it.
― Nhex, Tuesday, 12 April 2011 03:09 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm really tempted to just slowly link-dump this thread... forever
― Nhex, Tuesday, 12 April 2011 03:12 (thirteen years ago) link
Shame to hear that it may not be successful enough for him to keep doing it.
Wait, what?
― The Louvin Spoonful (WmC), Tuesday, 12 April 2011 03:47 (thirteen years ago) link
I never got into scarygoround at the time but I've been following Bad Machinery for the past few months and really like it. The author is a master of the end-of-week cliffhanger, too; the last several end-of-week episodes have got me slightly jittery over the weekend wanting to know what will happen next, which is something I've only had fairly rarely from webcomics before.
(Have since been reading the sgr archives in an attempt to fill that craving, and I like sgr and have no idea why I never read it at the time, but it's definitely not gripping me as much as BM)
BM and Cat & Girl are the only ones I'm checking recently. Have had other favourites, some of which I got bored of, some of which just stopped being updated. And I read BM every time it updates, whereas once a month or two I'll think "not checked C+G for a while" and have a binge.
― dimension hatris (a passing spacecadet), Tuesday, 12 April 2011 12:00 (thirteen years ago) link
xp
http://sgrblog.blogspot.com/2011/03/super-static-feedback-party.htmlhttp://sgrblog.blogspot.com/2011/03/thanks.html
― Nhex, Tuesday, 12 April 2011 12:02 (thirteen years ago) link
how often does BM update?
― Mordy, Tuesday, 12 April 2011 12:02 (thirteen years ago) link
Mon-Fri at the moment. It was Mon-Thurs up to last week, but now he's experimentally doing 2 shorter strips on Thurs+Fri instead.
― dimension hatris (a passing spacecadet), Tuesday, 12 April 2011 12:16 (thirteen years ago) link
Very cool! I love a good frequently updated comic!
― Mordy, Tuesday, 12 April 2011 12:24 (thirteen years ago) link
what's the name of the sci-fi comic with a vague interest in posthumanism - ? sort of halfway manga-styled? semi-experimental page layouts? whimsical sense of humour? never updates?
― thomp, Tuesday, 12 April 2011 12:49 (thirteen years ago) link
That is really too bad! I hope he sticks with it. I'm as puzzled as he is that it's not more popular. His art is really appealing, but the writing of the kids' dialogue is what really got me hooked on it. I almost prefer it when the stories are just the kids hanging out and talking.
― rob, Tuesday, 12 April 2011 15:03 (thirteen years ago) link
DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
― Teeth, Wednesday, 13 April 2011 17:22 (thirteen years ago) link
Mostly. I just spent half an hr reading Bad Machinery and just got annoyed/bored, anyway. Daily Dinosaur made me laugh in two pages.
― Teeth, Wednesday, 13 April 2011 17:33 (thirteen years ago) link
what does sustainable popularity mean in webcomics terms versus print?if you were making a comic for a college paper, sustainable popularity would mean 80% of the student body do not want to murder you.
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 13 April 2011 17:34 (thirteen years ago) link
-----they were all like that
― Teeth, Wednesday, 13 April 2011 17:34 (thirteen years ago) link
I think I know which one he's talking about. the protagonist was a young woman and there was a whole plotline with an escaped robot and time travelers dressed strangely? i can't remember the title.
― Mordy, Wednesday, 13 April 2011 18:01 (thirteen years ago) link
I think it's Dresden Codak
― treefell, Wednesday, 13 April 2011 18:04 (thirteen years ago) link
Finally had a chance to read all of Bad Machinery - so much fun. Thanks for bringing it to my attention, Rob.
― Bill, Monday, 25 April 2011 23:55 (thirteen years ago) link
dresden codak, yes! thank you both
― thomp, Tuesday, 26 April 2011 11:38 (thirteen years ago) link
gosh, he's updated three times this year already
― thomp, Tuesday, 26 April 2011 11:40 (thirteen years ago) link
That is really too bad! I hope he sticks with it. I'm as puzzled as he is that it's not more popular.
Here is Adam Cadre speculating about why it is not more popular - http://adamcadre.ac/calendar/13081.html
― Gravel Puzzleworth, Tuesday, 26 April 2011 14:12 (thirteen years ago) link
I was going to comment on a few things in that Adam Cadre blog post but I see it's a response to the first (?) story arc, so no need for me to point out bits which don't fit with later arcs.
There's a link to a much more glowing followup at the bottom, and I read it and followed all the links to referenced strips and they all made me laugh out loud, even though I'd already read them and laughed out loud at them all, and felt briefly kind of sad because I guess the current arc hasn't made me laugh out loud, but that's ok, because it's made me feel other emotions. (Maybe so much so that I don't even remember the lols, actually, because they probably didn't just go away.)
― dimension hatris (a passing spacecadet), Tuesday, 26 April 2011 20:20 (thirteen years ago) link
holy hell I hadn't seen the name Adam Cadre in close to a decade
― I just like… I just have to say… (Starts crying) (DJP), Tuesday, 26 April 2011 20:23 (thirteen years ago) link
who on earth is adam cadre? is he english? the article made me wonder if most of the class stuff involved in the characterisation had gone over his head.
'bad machinery' is like actually good good! i am kind of surprised. also most of the people who read scary go round and wouldn't read it sound like dicks.
― thomp, Tuesday, 26 April 2011 20:37 (thirteen years ago) link
he's another of the old-school rec.arts.comics.* posters from the heyday of Usenet who made a name for himself writing interactive fiction; he's an American and IIRC kind of strange
― I just like… I just have to say… (Starts crying) (DJP), Tuesday, 26 April 2011 20:40 (thirteen years ago) link
ohhhh. i've played 'photopia'! the name seemed familiar from somewhere.
― thomp, Tuesday, 26 April 2011 20:44 (thirteen years ago) link
Dan you said that exact thing last time I posted an Adam Cadre link in like February! I was thinking of making a thread, actually, 'writers who are linked to on ilx by exactly one specific poster', like Morbs and Dennis Perrin would be the most famous example? I don't agree with AC about very much at all but there's something about the way he writes I keep coming back to!
― Gravel Puzzleworth, Tuesday, 26 April 2011 20:52 (thirteen years ago) link
hahahaha hi dere I am old
― I just like… I just have to say… (Starts crying) (DJP), Tuesday, 26 April 2011 20:53 (thirteen years ago) link
ok i like bad machinery now. it's a bit twee but the art is really nice.
― congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 26 April 2011 21:20 (thirteen years ago) link
I've been reading Allison's comics for a few years, really enjoying them, but had no idea about his thin skin until reading that essay (and its followup). I like this Cadre person -- he writes long sentences so I don't have to.
― the wages of sin is about tree fiddy (WmC), Tuesday, 26 April 2011 21:48 (thirteen years ago) link
he wrote I-O and Varicella. nuff said.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 26 April 2011 22:16 (thirteen years ago) link
Haha the main interaction I found in the archives between Adam and me was me yelling at him to stop feeding a troll.
plus ça change...
― I just like… I just have to say… (Starts crying) (DJP), Tuesday, 26 April 2011 22:31 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/599092525/the-order-of-the-stick-reprint-drive
I ... did not expect a webcomic reprint Kickstarter to exceed one million dollars.
― etc, Sunday, 19 February 2012 23:09 (twelve years ago) link
i wish they were going to more webcomics like this one, but hey, stick figures make people happy, so who am i to arguehttp://www.casualvillain.com/Unsounded/comic+index
― Nhex, Sunday, 19 February 2012 23:54 (twelve years ago) link
webcomics make it v hard for me to be cool
― dave cool, Monday, 20 February 2012 00:14 (twelve years ago) link
Life is so much gentler and richer w/the hatin' coming on in dave cool levels of apoplexy. I appreciate the rastraint.
― dream words & nightmare paragraphs from a red factory in a dead town (Abbbottt), Monday, 20 February 2012 00:53 (twelve years ago) link
don't know what dave cool has against When I Am King and Pup but would enjoy engaging with his restrained analysis
― Θ ̨Θƪ (sic), Monday, 20 February 2012 01:09 (twelve years ago) link
yall lost me
― Nhex, Monday, 20 February 2012 04:18 (twelve years ago) link
I'm not too surprised by the Order of the Stick thing - people who remember D&D fondly are probably a pretty good demographic at this point, and it's managed to write a pretty epic storyline with jokes in every one of 600=-odd strips. They have an enormous and devoted forum/community - but then who doesn't?
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 20 February 2012 14:51 (twelve years ago) link
never saw pokey the penguin raise $1 million on kickstarter. just sayin
― Philip Nunez, Monday, 20 February 2012 17:48 (twelve years ago) link
three word phrase is hit/miss but sometimes really great: http://threewordphrase.com/gregor.htm
― s.clover, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 05:56 (eleven years ago) link
so good: http://www.harkavagrant.com/index.php?id=338
― Mordy, Friday, 22 June 2012 03:22 (eleven years ago) link
she's the best
― call all destroyer, Friday, 22 June 2012 03:28 (eleven years ago) link
agreed
― Mordy, Friday, 22 June 2012 03:29 (eleven years ago) link
set forth the demon horde
― the magic butterfly made everyone feel relaxed (Abbbottt), Friday, 22 June 2012 03:32 (eleven years ago) link
I love Kate Beaton
the conversations she links to at the bottom of that post are amazing too. here's one: http://twitpic.com/9lvz6c
― Mordy, Friday, 22 June 2012 03:37 (eleven years ago) link
"to hell with her then" http://harkavagrant.com/mothersdaycomic.png
― Mordy, Friday, 22 June 2012 03:39 (eleven years ago) link
just crushing: http://harkavagrant.com/loss.png
― Mordy, Friday, 22 June 2012 03:41 (eleven years ago) link
she's pretty great
― Authorities don't know who shot the 50 Cent the goose. (forksclovetofu), Friday, 22 June 2012 06:23 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, hooray for Kate Beaton.
― Andrew Farrell, Friday, 22 June 2012 09:41 (eleven years ago) link
Have you guys seen her give a reading? It's totally inimitable, she has this amazing tossed-off rapid fire Hepburn delivery.
― Lewis Apparition (Jon Lewis), Friday, 22 June 2012 16:43 (eleven years ago) link
It's comfort-food -- not quite junk food but definitely not haute -- but Bad Machinery really hits the spot for me. Love those kids. Allison is a pretty tight plotter.
― Biff Wellington (WmC), Friday, 22 June 2012 16:48 (eleven years ago) link
Bad Machinery is really good. I love the dialogue.
― Mordy, Friday, 22 June 2012 16:58 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, Allison's stuff is great. Amazing how far he's come along, not that Bobbins was bad by any means, but his "kid's" material is so beyond it now.
― Nhex, Friday, 22 June 2012 22:49 (eleven years ago) link
http://beatonna.tumblr.com/post/26661311030/teen-consolidation-all-the-teens-in-one-place-i
― Mordy, Saturday, 7 July 2012 03:18 (eleven years ago) link
i should really just start a thread for her
http://www.harkavagrant.com/nonsense/ponyghost.png
― Mordy, Tuesday, 10 July 2012 01:47 (eleven years ago) link
I really like the Hark! A Vagrants I've seen posted here. I'd never heard of Kate Beaton before.
― bamcquern, Tuesday, 10 July 2012 03:25 (eleven years ago) link
her comics are available on the web and most people probably know of her from the web but i dunno if it's really a webcomic other than by those two criteria.
― Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 10 July 2012 03:31 (eleven years ago) link
i thought all of her comics originate on the web? what else would the definition be?
― Mordy, Tuesday, 10 July 2012 03:42 (eleven years ago) link
i kno lolwiki but the first line of her wiki page is "Kate Beaton (born September 8, 1983) is a Canadian webcomic artist."
― Mordy, Tuesday, 10 July 2012 03:43 (eleven years ago) link
well at some point garfield will also fit those criteria, too, so there needs to be something else.
― Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 10 July 2012 03:46 (eleven years ago) link
Godddddd I love Mystery Solving Teens.
http://www.harkavagrant.com/nonsense/teenssm.png
No matter how many times I read this, it fucking slays.
― chupacabra seeds (Abbbottt), Tuesday, 10 July 2012 04:13 (eleven years ago) link
Teen exhaling smoke with his head back while his friend flicks a cigarette
The baker! I knew it!
― Mordy, Tuesday, 10 July 2012 04:14 (eleven years ago) link
or perhaps a doobage
― chupacabra seeds (Abbbottt), Tuesday, 10 July 2012 04:14 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.4thletter.net/wp-content/plugins/smilies-themer/SAEmoticons/emot-colbert.png
― ¥╡*ٍ*╞¥ (sic), Tuesday, 10 July 2012 07:18 (eleven years ago) link
yeah...
― Nhex, Tuesday, 10 July 2012 23:26 (eleven years ago) link
i have an easier time thinking of garfield as a webcomic than hark a vagrant to be honest.
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 00:23 (eleven years ago) link
I love Kate's reading of this one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlDCSDdYg1k
― jim, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 00:39 (eleven years ago) link
All of her comics created for the web seems kind of a crucial distinction from Garfield.
― Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 07:36 (eleven years ago) link
I mean, as webcomics go.
― Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 07:38 (eleven years ago) link
why is there no hark rss feed whhhyyyyyyyyyyy
― ledge, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 10:30 (eleven years ago) link
rss link here http://beatonna.tumblr.com/
― fit and working again, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 13:46 (eleven years ago) link
i was looking for examples of really good webcomics a few years before, and really couldn't find any. I thought perry bible fellowship and hark a vagrant would fit the bill, but it turned out both comics had been published in print before putting stuff on the web, and it seemed like the web being the primary delivery vehicle for the comics is just an economic decision rather than an aesthetic one.
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 17:37 (eleven years ago) link
I'm not sure it's ever an aesthetic decision - has anyone claimed that they would turn down an offer of being printed in newspapers because their art is ill-suited to the medium?
― Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 17:39 (eleven years ago) link
the dude who made leisure town said he thought his stuff would look terrible in print.
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 17:47 (eleven years ago) link
hark a vagrant was published before its livejournal days? PBF was "published" but i think in a student newspaper or something
― Nhex, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 19:09 (eleven years ago) link
every time this thread comes up i have to force myself from turning it into an obnoxious personal blog
I think it's more that Kate Beaton was doing her stuff for her student newspaper with her art style and presumably catering to her interests, so it wasn't called that, but (I guess, I've never seen it?) none of it would look out of place in hark a vagrant.
― Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 19:13 (eleven years ago) link
yeah i think hark was either in a newspaper or a zine. i'm not very hopeful for webcomics anymore, and i feel like being crappy is sort of a prerequisite for being one, but i do feel like it's a distinct thing from regular comics (not just in being crappy), and hark a vagrant doesn't feel like one (not just because it's not crappy) while garfield does (not just because it's crappy). i'm not sure what's the litmus test, though.
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 19:17 (eleven years ago) link
You have completely lost me on Garfield, that is the definition of a newspaper comic (and not just because it's crappy)
― Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 19:19 (eleven years ago) link
bad machinery is an amazing webcomic. i don't know why all webcomics would by definition be shitty. it's a medium of distribution more than an aesthetic preference or style.
― Mordy, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 19:20 (eleven years ago) link
imho, if you distribute comix primary online, then it's a webcomic - especially if the distribution happens on a web page that people can visit
― Mordy, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 19:21 (eleven years ago) link
obv during period of transition some comix that were primarily print comix may become predominately online and we may want to distinguish between comix that started in newspapers but now are read primarily online, but that's more of a legacy thing i think and really i don't know why aesthetics should come into play at all here
― Mordy, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 19:22 (eleven years ago) link
but we don't call music distributed primarily online webmusic -- i do think there's an aesthetic (or something like an aesthetic -- an ethos?) that's in play.
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 19:23 (eleven years ago) link
the label isn't great.but without webcomics we wouldn't have Kate Beaton, KC Green, lots of others but uughh too lazy to start writing essays
― Nhex, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 19:28 (eleven years ago) link
there is just no reason to hate on webcomics - there's an amazing wealth of good stuff out there, but since there's no more cost to print like there used to be with b&w floppies, there's a lot more to go through to find the gems
― Nhex, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 19:29 (eleven years ago) link
if there's any ethos, it's a pseudo-DIY thing where creators utilized the egalitarian nature of the web to distribute comix that might have been a tougher sell w/ traditional platforms (newspaper syndication, major publishers, etc) and where they could build an audience slowly through word of mouth. but that doesn't necessarily speak to the quality of the product. xxp
― Mordy, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 19:29 (eleven years ago) link
it's very DIY - remember when the best CMS most people could use was keenspot
― Nhex, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 19:31 (eleven years ago) link
kids these days, spoiled with ComicPress
I think to qualify as a webcomic it really has to be unimaginable to conceive of it as a print phenomenon on its own and kate beaton would totally do well in print (and she does! [ok some of that is due to webpopularity, but still])
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 19:56 (eleven years ago) link
that doesn't really make sense to me, tbh. is it unimaginable to conceive of achewood as a print phenomenon?
― Mordy, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 19:58 (eleven years ago) link
like are the only true webcomics stuff like PvP and Penny Arcade bc they do gaming/internet joekz?
― Mordy, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 19:59 (eleven years ago) link
u r scott mccloud and i claim my $5
― Lewis Apparition (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 20:00 (eleven years ago) link
i think you can translate some aspect of achewood to print (there was a long form version I saw in a print compilation that I liked) but as a whole, no, it wouldn't work.
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 20:01 (eleven years ago) link
reason i mentioned achewood is cause i was in the comic store on monday and they've got a bunch of his collections there that u can buy. in print!
― Mordy, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 20:02 (eleven years ago) link
jesus christ why am I still reading Sluggy Freelance
― I see you, Pineapple Teef (DJP), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 20:03 (eleven years ago) link
guys ive been trying to recall the name of this comic that was popular on ilx and the internet tho i think it was also published in like maybe some irl alt newspapers or w/e and it always had v neat lil narratives that were often kinda fatalistic fables i guess the only one i can remember was it shows like evolution creatures crawling out of the ocean and what not then theres a space ship coming up this giant button in outer space and someone says what you think this thing does then its starts again w/the evolution i am sure you guys are v familiar w/this comic thx in advance
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 20:06 (eleven years ago) link
the way i see people interact with achewood -- it's kind of critical to be able to click on it and see it on the web, and to be passed around that forms the bulk of the achewood experience that doesn't seem quite so crucial for hark a vagrant. don't you feel a difference in experience?
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 20:07 (eleven years ago) link
Perry Bible Fellowship xp
― Mordy, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 20:08 (eleven years ago) link
i don't feel a difference but i get the feeling (forgive me if i'm wrong) that the term 'webcomic' is a bit more loaded w/ meaning for u than it is for me xp
tyvm
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 20:08 (eleven years ago) link
it's loaded for me in a very weird way, in that i think it denotes crap, but at the same time i feel it's disrespectful not to acknowledge it as more than just a cheaper delivery device.
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 20:13 (eleven years ago) link
er .. not to acknowledge it as just a cheaper delivery device i mean
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 20:14 (eleven years ago) link
er.. scratch that scratch.
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 20:18 (eleven years ago) link
PvP was published as a comic for 9 years - longer than it's spent online-only.
So Philip, are you saying that webcomics are kind of the descendants of the thigns people used to cut out and stick up on walls / cubicles, or that used to be mailed around after email but pre-web? Because if so, I totally get that, but the number one comic that I see linked on twitter/facebook/livejournal as "hey check out this one strip" is Hark a Vagrant.
― Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 20:31 (eleven years ago) link
sort of -- but it's not just the passing back and forth, but also the way the readership helps shape the strips as well. (letting your audience have control of your work is probably another tendency that leads to crap, though)
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 20:53 (eleven years ago) link
Wow there was just a Kate Beaton + Lynn Johnston panel at San Diego Con.
― Lewis Apparition (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 12 July 2012 21:15 (eleven years ago) link
FBOFW????
― Mordy, Thursday, 12 July 2012 21:16 (eleven years ago) link
did she talk about animating all the characters on her website to blink periodically?
― Mordy, Thursday, 12 July 2012 21:17 (eleven years ago) link
I dunno I'm not in SD! I wish I was! (kind of).
― Lewis Apparition (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 12 July 2012 21:21 (eleven years ago) link
i wonder what kate thinks about her. i'm not a big FBOFW fan but i get she had a big influence - probably bigger if you're from Canada
― Mordy, Thursday, 12 July 2012 21:24 (eleven years ago) link
there's a great story in the charles schulz bio about johnston calling schulz (johnston being one of the few colleagues schulz admired) and mentioning to him that because her characters age she's going to have to do something soon about the dog, who is going to have to die, and schulz is really adamant that johnston not kill the dog because people don't want to read about dead dogs over breakfast (they just want to read about endlessly telescoping bleakness and cruelty i guess) and johnston says no i have to do this it's all right it'll be a big affecting arc and everything and schulz apparently says
IF YOU DO THISI AM GOING TO HAVE SNOOPY GET HIT BY A TRUCKAND GO TO THE HOSPITALAND EVERYBODY WILL WORRY ABOUT SNOOPYAND NO ONE WILL READ YOUR STUPID STORY
― a hauntingly unemployed american (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 12 July 2012 21:37 (eleven years ago) link
also apparently schulz calls her to congratulate her on reaching some kind of syndication milestone -- X number of papers carrying FBOFW -- which is a very high number by the standards of most comics but not a high number by the standards of peanuts, and schulz is very gracious and complimentary at first but then johnston says like "i'm catching up to you haha!" and schulz just says CALL ME WHEN YOU'RE IN THE LOUVRE and hangs up
― a hauntingly unemployed american (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 12 July 2012 21:39 (eleven years ago) link
weird guy
awesome guy
― This clam, stranded on someone’s floor, is trying to dig itself (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 12 July 2012 21:47 (eleven years ago) link
That Schultz bio is rough, especially when you discover that the most jugular-inflating Lucy tirades were influenced by Mrs. Schulz.
― pplains, Thursday, 12 July 2012 21:59 (eleven years ago) link
SNOOPY IS OFF THE WEB BECAUSE OF YOU
The only thing the tweet from D&Q said abt the panel was that Johnston and Beaton bonded over their admiration for Guisewhite.
― Lewis Apparition (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 12 July 2012 22:01 (eleven years ago) link
i remember hearing that schulz built a hockey rink for the local kids to play at, but then shut it down because the parents were so obnoxious. which i'm sure is partly true, but dude did not seem to get along very well with ppl
― mookieproof, Thursday, 12 July 2012 22:13 (eleven years ago) link
Didn't Schulz do some phone flirting with Guisewite? She was a Neutrogena model or something (even while drawing body horror strips)
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 12 July 2012 22:14 (eleven years ago) link
Guisewitean body horror
― Lewis Apparition (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 12 July 2012 22:18 (eleven years ago) link
so many ppl who knew Schulz, inc his kids, said the bio was slanted and crappy that I wouldn't rely on it for a full picture of the dude
― ¥╡*ٍ*╞¥ (sic), Thursday, 12 July 2012 22:23 (eleven years ago) link
it's kinda wild all of the newspaper strip writers like guisewhite, ketcham, even schulz for me at one point that i knew as defanged boring comic writers and then when i went back to their original material i totally understood the appeal
― Mordy, Friday, 13 July 2012 00:11 (eleven years ago) link
The rink's still open, I think.
Schulz gets redeemed for his complete and utter hatred of Garfield.
― pplains, Friday, 13 July 2012 00:13 (eleven years ago) link
my dad had old peanuts collections from the 50s and 60s (at one point i could have told you who all the great pumpkin had visited -- one of them was 'boots ruthven') so that's what i grew up with. it's impressive how good it was for as long as it was; watterson otm
― mookieproof, Friday, 13 July 2012 00:22 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah so many of these strips (but not peanuts) were ghastly spectres of their former selves by the time I was a kid. Then when I would see Los Bros talking abt Hank Ketcham or TCJ writers about Gasoline Alley it was baffling to me. Now the proof is out there, though.
― Lewis Apparition (Jon Lewis), Friday, 13 July 2012 00:31 (eleven years ago) link
peanuts was terrible when i was a kid, but my school library had a bunch of early peanuts comix and so around 5-6th grade i read a ton of the early ones. i would love to buy a bunch of the new fantagraphics ones -- but i have the ketcham fantagraphics volume (so excellent) and they're not super enjoyable to read. too many pages between the hard covers. i'm holding out for a super-sized volume
― Mordy, Friday, 13 July 2012 00:33 (eleven years ago) link
if i do get some, i'm not even sure which years are best to get. what's considered his best era? 60s-70s?
― Mordy, Friday, 13 July 2012 00:36 (eleven years ago) link
Of Dennis or Peanuts?
― Lewis Apparition (Jon Lewis), Friday, 13 July 2012 00:37 (eleven years ago) link
i'd start in the late 50s
― a hauntingly unemployed american (difficult listening hour), Friday, 13 July 2012 00:38 (eleven years ago) link
every library i've been to has the peanuts fantagraphics collections. just try em all -- start at beginning. early charlie brown is kind of a proto-cartman!
― Philip Nunez, Friday, 13 July 2012 00:38 (eleven years ago) link
not sure i'd go too far past '70? i'm not one to *blame* woodstock, but he did seem symptomatic of diminishing returns.
― mookieproof, Friday, 13 July 2012 00:38 (eleven years ago) link
not sure where i'd stop, snoopy kinda takes tonal control around the late 60s i think and i prefer peanuts before that but obv snoopy is great so
― a hauntingly unemployed american (difficult listening hour), Friday, 13 July 2012 00:39 (eleven years ago) link
yeah woodstock is prolly the symbol
― a hauntingly unemployed american (difficult listening hour), Friday, 13 July 2012 00:40 (eleven years ago) link
it's kinda mind-boggling to me how many years he wrote this thing. who has that kind of longevity today? (dave sim?) even watterson + larson and other modern daily phenoms retired at some point
― Mordy, Friday, 13 July 2012 00:41 (eleven years ago) link
what year is the "mr. sack" arc from, where charlie brown doesn't want the kids at camp to see that his head has developed a weird rash that makes it look like a baseball so he wears a paper bag on his head and everybody loves him
― a hauntingly unemployed american (difficult listening hour), Friday, 13 July 2012 00:41 (eleven years ago) link
watterson went out at his absolute peak, too
but i'm still legit moved by the way the lines in the last 15 or so years of peanuts got really wobbly, cuz they were still all his
― a hauntingly unemployed american (difficult listening hour), Friday, 13 July 2012 00:43 (eleven years ago) link
I'm such a stan that I'd push the shark moment all the way to when Rerun shows up.
― pplains, Friday, 13 July 2012 00:43 (eleven years ago) link
re; baseball rash, i'd guess 1973 (if this is the same arc with alfred e neuman)
― Philip Nunez, Friday, 13 July 2012 00:43 (eleven years ago) link
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lpwg4vC9Ya1qisuj3o1_500.png
― pplains, Friday, 13 July 2012 00:46 (eleven years ago) link
xp you are otm! that story's really something i think. the one where he's just sitting on a dock fishing with another kid and telling a longish dullish joke and the other kid says "that's very funny. you're fun to be with, mr. sack." "thank you."
― a hauntingly unemployed american (difficult listening hour), Friday, 13 July 2012 00:52 (eleven years ago) link
who has that kind of longevity today? (dave sim?)
Cerebus was 26 years, Peanuts was 50. Maggie Chascarillo's 30 years in now.
― ¥╡*ٍ*╞¥ (sic), Friday, 13 July 2012 01:10 (eleven years ago) link
'mr sack' is from 1973-74. i think ppl tend to overstate the steepness of the 'decline,' though i admittedly have a lot of tolerance for snoopy and woodstock episodes.
i'd still take even '90s era 'peanuts' over most other comic strips of the last 30 years. even at his worst schulz is discernably himself; there's no committee-think in the mentality that could end a strip with snoopy saying 'i'm emotionally bankrupt...you're emotionally bankrupt...we're all emotionally bankrupt...'
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 13 July 2012 01:32 (eleven years ago) link
oddly I get offboard w/Peanuts at the moment it stops becoming a 4-panel strip
― mississippi joan hart (crüt), Friday, 13 July 2012 01:49 (eleven years ago) link
*stops being. sorry, weirdly worded.
I loved the 50s Peanuts but the second 60s volume was enough for me. The 50s is such a psychogeographical landscape, with Charlie Brown constantly questioning his reality in a self-contained funk - it's like French philosophy with pictures. In comparison the 60s just seemed kind of hokey.
― Desire is withered away from the sons of men! (aldo), Friday, 13 July 2012 06:59 (eleven years ago) link
belated thanks! i had a different one and it didn't work.
― ledge, Friday, 13 July 2012 08:11 (eleven years ago) link
not sure i'd go too far past '70?
I read all the fantagraphics reprint books a while back and there's a definite drop off in the early 70s. Not that it becomes terrible - if you're a fan it's still enjoyable.
― fit and working again, Friday, 13 July 2012 13:33 (eleven years ago) link
i know i've posted this link on ilx before, so apologies, but here's a review I wrote of the Schulz bio that tries to get across both the good and bad points of the book
http://comiczine-fa.com/?p=822
as for schulz's longevity, there are plenty of newspaper cartoonists with similar or even longer careers (beetle bailey started in 1950, and still has mort walker's name on it today) but what makes schulz exceptional, p much, is that he did the strip all by himself for so long - no other writers, artists, letterers etc. obviously the relative simplicity of the strip made that possible, but even so, what a grind! comics are such HARD WORK
can't think of many comic book artists who can match sim's 300 issues, but obv there are lots of comic bk guys who had much longer careers all told
― Ward Fowler, Friday, 13 July 2012 13:53 (eleven years ago) link
did mort walker ever have a classic period? beetle bailey (and hi + lois too) has not been worth reading since before i was a kid
― Mordy, Friday, 13 July 2012 13:56 (eleven years ago) link
do we have a rolling funny papers thread on ILC?
― Mordy, Friday, 13 July 2012 14:01 (eleven years ago) link
70s beetle bailey paperbacks are perfect toilet reading imho, but i haven't seen the strip in years, so can't speak to its decline in quality. best thing walker ever wrote was a short-lived strip called 'Sam's Strip' in the early 60s, drawn by jerry dumas, that was a comic-about-comic. bill watterson obviously knew it:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-B7W1cuRVTOk/TlC6CZfNYSI/AAAAAAAAAZQ/2pM7HVj0fbY/s1600/SamsStrip2.jpg
― Ward Fowler, Friday, 13 July 2012 14:03 (eleven years ago) link
Ha, never saw any of those early strips. I only knew about Sam & Silo in the 80s.
― pplains, Friday, 13 July 2012 14:27 (eleven years ago) link
i've never seen sam & silo - for some reason, walker's comics have never been at all popular here in the uk - but iirc it's a retooled version of sam's strip without the meta elements? fantagraphics have issued a complete sam's strip, btw, that looks p tasty
― Ward Fowler, Friday, 13 July 2012 14:37 (eleven years ago) link
S&S were pretty vanilla, nothing you'd ever think Bill Watterson would have been influenced by.
― pplains, Friday, 13 July 2012 14:40 (eleven years ago) link
WF i liked that review a lot.
schulz' minimalism (and the ironic adaptation of the entire medium to that minimalism, when pretty much literally no one else can work properly with it) is so magic and spooky; i am not really arteducated but i suspect he was a greater american artist than most of the abstract expressionists or whoever his "fine" contemporaries were. sometimes i reread the paragraph-long intro he gave watterson's first big color collection, which begins "bill watterson draws great bedside tables. i admire that." and goes on to say that he likes "calvin's little shoes that look like dinner rolls". can you imagine what that must have felt like for watterson.
― a hauntingly unemployed american (difficult listening hour), Friday, 13 July 2012 14:52 (eleven years ago) link
haha, wow. i didn't know about that
― Nhex, Friday, 13 July 2012 15:17 (eleven years ago) link
sam's strip is greatthe dinner rolls bit is legendary.
― This clam, stranded on someone’s floor, is trying to dig itself (forksclovetofu), Friday, 13 July 2012 17:52 (eleven years ago) link
schultz was clearly a difficult guy.
this thread convinced me to grab a lot of the fawcett peanuts collections off ebay
― Mordy, Friday, 13 July 2012 17:56 (eleven years ago) link
xp I mean, he's not wrong, but damn dude, lol
― Nhex, Friday, 13 July 2012 18:18 (eleven years ago) link
haha i've always thought it was like intensely complimentary! to single out little cartoonist's details like that instead of just saying oh childish wonder oh sophisticated wit oh we need the comics more now than ever.
― a hauntingly unemployed american (difficult listening hour), Friday, 13 July 2012 18:23 (eleven years ago) link
he also compliments the water splashes.
― a hauntingly unemployed american (difficult listening hour), Friday, 13 July 2012 18:24 (eleven years ago) link
i've seen some really old beetle bailey (early '60s i think) with what seemed like pretty sharp, stinging anti-military lolz -- or anyway a lot sharper than it got later.
schulz is right! i love the way watterson draws little things -- telephones, the covers of comic books, trees.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 13 July 2012 18:49 (eleven years ago) link
i can understand why schulz wld admire the attention to detail of someone like watterson - after all, schulz's background was in correspondence course commercial art, where the public wld pay to have their renderings of objects, animals etc graded via the post by schulz and many other 'teachers'.
― Ward Fowler, Friday, 13 July 2012 21:27 (eleven years ago) link
i read he used to have contests with the other drawing instructor guys where they'd draw a series of parallel lines as close to each other as possible without touching, and he'd get them really close, so that the gap between lines were smaller than the lines themselves.
― Philip Nunez, Friday, 13 July 2012 21:31 (eleven years ago) link
^I love this anecdote!
― Lewis Apparition (Jon Lewis), Friday, 13 July 2012 21:36 (eleven years ago) link
schulz drew this in high school:
http://farm1.staticflickr.com/87/243527705_99306dddfc_z.jpg?zz=1
― Ward Fowler, Friday, 13 July 2012 21:41 (eleven years ago) link
little hitlers
― congratulations (n/a), Friday, 13 July 2012 21:48 (eleven years ago) link
OMG
― Lewis Apparition (Jon Lewis), Friday, 13 July 2012 21:48 (eleven years ago) link
http://childrensbookshop.com/images/bookimages/68/68044.jpg
there's a larger version of that pic, and the story behind it, in this bk, which is really great and really cheap secondhand. along w/ a nice selection of full colour sunday pages up to abt 1973, it contains a great photo sequence of schulz drawing and lettering a daily, and some terrific pics of him wearing 70s big collared flowery shirts - its still the best single volume peanuts bk, imho (the chip kidd bk favours the late 50s/early 60s stuff, which may suit ppl w/ the same taste as aldo. personally i find some of the design a bit grandstanding, although the bk does contain many treasures, too)
― Ward Fowler, Friday, 13 July 2012 21:57 (eleven years ago) link
hey man, no chip kidd no fucking deal!!!?@?@@!@#111!
― Lewis Apparition (Jon Lewis), Friday, 13 July 2012 21:59 (eleven years ago) link
(sorry, I have no reason to be angered by chip kidd but i just am)
― Lewis Apparition (Jon Lewis), Friday, 13 July 2012 22:00 (eleven years ago) link
u convinced me. xxp
― Mordy, Friday, 13 July 2012 22:00 (eleven years ago) link
the thing that rly irked me in the michaelis book is that he seems to think schulz deliberately made up all the bad childhood memories he would mention in interview years later -- being picked on by bullies, etc. -- because he (michaelis) couldn't find any witnesses to verify it! i mean, i had a shitty time in first grade too, but i doubt any of my classmates would remember that 80 years later.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 13 July 2012 22:01 (eleven years ago) link
i second 'peanuts jubilee,' it's much more charming than the chip kidd book (which i actually found pretty disappointing, tho the huge oversized reproductions of schulz panels are inevitably beautiful). and 'peanuts treasury' and 'sandlot peanuts' (old oversized books with tons of classic strips, both probably bargain-bin remainder or easily found used now) are both great too.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 13 July 2012 22:03 (eleven years ago) link
i feel i have seen many wonderful things that i wouldn't otherwise have seen - schulz originals, translated japanese batman comics and so on- thanks to chip kidd, but the price for that has been to have CHIP KIDD flashed onto my retinas 24 frames per second
― Ward Fowler, Friday, 13 July 2012 22:04 (eleven years ago) link
sandlot peanuts was among the first books i ever owned; my copy has crayon scrawls all over it
― This clam, stranded on someone’s floor, is trying to dig itself (forksclovetofu), Friday, 13 July 2012 22:05 (eleven years ago) link
don't know sandlot peanuts, must seek out - iirc, peanuts treasury (the big golden hardcover?) recycles some of the autobiographical material frm jubilee...don't have those to hand right now
― Ward Fowler, Friday, 13 July 2012 22:06 (eleven years ago) link
sandlot peanuts is just the baseball stuff. at age four, i knew the name joe garagiola
― This clam, stranded on someone’s floor, is trying to dig itself (forksclovetofu), Friday, 13 July 2012 22:07 (eleven years ago) link
and the name joe shlabotnik
― a hauntingly unemployed american (difficult listening hour), Friday, 13 July 2012 22:12 (eleven years ago) link
seriously though!
― This clam, stranded on someone’s floor, is trying to dig itself (forksclovetofu), Friday, 13 July 2012 22:14 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSrABUI84wE
ahh i can see why a baseball-themed peanuts anthol never made it to the uk - but the exoticism of things like baseball and summer camps was def part of the appeal to this partic brit reader, and i'm sure many others. when i was young i had no idea whether the great pumpkin was a real holiday/event or not
― Ward Fowler, Friday, 13 July 2012 22:18 (eleven years ago) link
it is iirc
― This clam, stranded on someone’s floor, is trying to dig itself (forksclovetofu), Friday, 13 July 2012 22:19 (eleven years ago) link
the sack toon, btw, is a really faithful rendering of a long stretch from Sandlot
"you're fun to be with mister sack"
― This clam, stranded on someone’s floor, is trying to dig itself (forksclovetofu), Friday, 13 July 2012 22:21 (eleven years ago) link
and the punchline of that shaggy dog story is amazingthe gag is that charlie brown has baseball on his mind so much that he develops a rash on the back of his head in the shape of the stitches on a baseballthen he sees the sun rising as a baseballso he goes to summer camp to get baseball off his mindand after many weeks he decides he's cured so he wakes up early to watch the sun rise, unsure if it will be a baseball or the sun and when he finally looks he sees - really, watch the video.
― This clam, stranded on someone’s floor, is trying to dig itself (forksclovetofu), Friday, 13 July 2012 22:24 (eleven years ago) link
haha i had that video when i was a kid -- it also includes the truly insane story where charlie brown bites the kite-eating tree, is threatened with a lawsuit by the environmental protection agency (!!!), runs away, gets lost, and winds up living in a cardboard box (!!!!) and coaching a team of toddlers.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 13 July 2012 22:27 (eleven years ago) link
in retrospect, it's amazing how faithful (and popular) those cartoons were considering how ubiquitous they became.i remember a musical saturday morning peanuts show that i used to watch as a kid.
― This clam, stranded on someone’s floor, is trying to dig itself (forksclovetofu), Friday, 13 July 2012 22:29 (eleven years ago) link
and a quick google search suggests that was the cartoon adaptation of "you're a good man charlie brown"i can't hear home on the range without "give me my pencil"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgQyRoP6fgU
― This clam, stranded on someone’s floor, is trying to dig itself (forksclovetofu), Friday, 13 July 2012 22:31 (eleven years ago) link
we talked about mr. sack upthread but i had not seen the adaptation
SO HERE I AM GOING TO CAMP. FOR SOMEONE WHO HATES GOING TO CAMP I SURE SPEND A LOT OF TIME THERE. MAYBE I WENT TO THE WRONG DOCTOR. HIS SOLUTION FOR EVERYTHING IS TO GO TO CAMP. I KNOW WHAT'LL HAPPEN TO ME. JUST WHEN I GET OLD ENOUGH SO THAT I DON'T HAVE TO GO ANYMORE, I'LL GET DRAFTED INTO THE INFANTRY.
― a hauntingly unemployed american (difficult listening hour), Friday, 13 July 2012 22:32 (eleven years ago) link
i bet you straightened them out, didn't you, sack?
― a hauntingly unemployed american (difficult listening hour), Friday, 13 July 2012 22:33 (eleven years ago) link
'the infantry' really makes that
― Lewis Apparition (Jon Lewis), Friday, 13 July 2012 23:20 (eleven years ago) link
in one of the books my dad had, charlie brown loses in the spelling bee because he misspells 'maze' as [willie] 'mays'. which is less sad than the time he misspells 'beagle'
― mookieproof, Friday, 13 July 2012 23:30 (eleven years ago) link
schulz definitely loved his "funny words"
― mississippi joan hart (crüt), Friday, 13 July 2012 23:49 (eleven years ago) link
Ever since I read that Michaelis book I periodically doodle objects in little groups of 3s, it's a good exercise. It inspired this thread: Things that are satisying to draw a simple cartoon of
― Team Safeword (Abbbottt), Saturday, 14 July 2012 05:00 (eleven years ago) link
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, July 13, 2012 3:01 PM (6 hours ago)
haha you would totally not guess that is the case from that epic TCJ article w/Monty Schulz where he questions the veracity of seemingly every minor anecdote in that book
― Team Safeword (Abbbottt), Saturday, 14 July 2012 05:02 (eleven years ago) link
http://danceraday.tumblr.com/
― I dont even know that I think this sucks per se (forksclovetofu), Friday, 27 July 2012 14:08 (eleven years ago) link
have we ever brought up Three Word Phrase?http://threewordphrase.com/todo.htm
― Nhex, Sunday, 29 July 2012 02:33 (eleven years ago) link
why did you do that.
― pplains, Sunday, 29 July 2012 02:35 (eleven years ago) link
say what you will about rage comics, but I've laughed at fucking dolans 10x funnier than whatever that was supposed to be.
― pplains, Sunday, 29 July 2012 02:36 (eleven years ago) link
ooookay dude *backs slowly away*
― Nhex, Sunday, 29 July 2012 02:43 (eleven years ago) link
ha, maybe I'm coming on too strong.
― pplains, Sunday, 29 July 2012 02:48 (eleven years ago) link
LOOOOL pplains otfm
― camp lo magellan (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 29 July 2012 03:44 (eleven years ago) link
i'm only a little upset that the re-introduction of actual webcomics kind of broke the spell of peanuts as the best webcomic ever.
― Philip Nunez, Sunday, 29 July 2012 05:42 (eleven years ago) link
Three Word Comics is a collection of "I thought a vaguely funny sentence / twist and then inexplicably my muse said I must draw it with all necessary explanation"
Rage Comics is a flaming ball of shit.
I was not aware of either of them until just now.
You have both brought shame to this thread.
And this is the webcomics thread, so well done there.
― Andrew Farrell, Sunday, 29 July 2012 09:50 (eleven years ago) link
I would seriously take a rage comic over p much any "web comic" besides pbw and maybe half of hark a vagrant
― camp lo magellan (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 29 July 2012 11:50 (eleven years ago) link
it is nobody's fault but my own, but I just read the whole Three Word Phrase archive bcz it looked like a webcomic I saw one wryly poignant strip from once and I was going to defend it (wryly poignant is p. much all I want out of comics at this point in life), and that strip is totally not in the archive so it probably wasn't TWP at all, and I suck for even looking
― still small voice of clam (a passing spacecadet), Sunday, 29 July 2012 23:07 (eleven years ago) link
to be fair, it's ok (maybe even good!) for a webcomic. pretty sure any random sampling of webcomics will pull up worse webcomics.
― Philip Nunez, Sunday, 29 July 2012 23:31 (eleven years ago) link
http://threewordphrase.com/anxiety.gif
or
http://anongallery.org/img/8/0/donald-duck-in-apple-store.jpg
dead to you if you like the first one.
― pplains, Sunday, 29 July 2012 23:38 (eleven years ago) link
ok, i'm dead to you
― Nhex, Sunday, 29 July 2012 23:41 (eleven years ago) link
http://threewordphrase.com/funday.gif
http://i.destinyislands.com/public/dolan-comics/02-dolan-dinner.png
there's seriously no question here.
― pplains, Sunday, 29 July 2012 23:42 (eleven years ago) link
i just googled webcomics and saw something called vgcats. brrrrr....
― Philip Nunez, Sunday, 29 July 2012 23:48 (eleven years ago) link
best to avoid the earlier crappier oneshttp://i.imgur.com/wtpG5.gifhttp://i.imgur.com/sjUj1.gifhttp://i.imgur.com/W0tXV.gifalso, are you seriously comparing his stuff to the C+P rage comix? i mean, come on, man. i guess we're just not on the same wavelength here
― Nhex, Sunday, 29 July 2012 23:53 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, vgcats is one of those that doesn't even pretend to be for public consumption
I like this onehttp://img208.imageshack.us/img208/5273/blackholek.gif
― bamcquern, Sunday, 29 July 2012 23:56 (eleven years ago) link
And this onehttp://img52.imageshack.us/img52/2517/tattoon.gif
― bamcquern, Sunday, 29 July 2012 23:57 (eleven years ago) link
I laughed at this one toohttp://img808.imageshack.us/img808/5815/tarot.gif
― bamcquern, Sunday, 29 July 2012 23:58 (eleven years ago) link
The later ones are definitely more likely to be funny.
peanuts is still the best webcomic, though.
― Philip Nunez, Sunday, 29 July 2012 23:59 (eleven years ago) link
The drawing's not great but it's not embarrassing. twp, I mean.
― bamcquern, Monday, 30 July 2012 00:00 (eleven years ago) link
This is like a joke in a Brendan Fraser movie but I like it betterhttp://img4.imageshack.us/img4/3889/hockey.gif
― bamcquern, Monday, 30 July 2012 00:01 (eleven years ago) link
I definitely laughed at this one. Drawings of penises are often funny by default, though.http://img607.imageshack.us/img607/5485/dicep.gif
― bamcquern, Monday, 30 July 2012 00:02 (eleven years ago) link
Pup? When I Am King?
― ¥╡*ٍ*╞¥ (sic), Monday, 30 July 2012 00:03 (eleven years ago) link
"A Arm"
― bamcquern, Monday, 30 July 2012 00:03 (eleven years ago) link
This is a cheap laugh but I laughed and that's worth something.http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/6641/amazingn.gif
― bamcquern, Monday, 30 July 2012 00:04 (eleven years ago) link
"a al ship"
― bamcquern, Monday, 30 July 2012 00:05 (eleven years ago) link
son
fuck w/
mustardcore
nah
bawse
― bamcquern, Monday, 30 July 2012 00:06 (eleven years ago) link
Inside the Actors Studio with Rick Ross
― I dont even know that I think this sucks per se (forksclovetofu), Monday, 30 July 2012 00:15 (eleven years ago) link
pplains just so otm in here I can't even
― camp lo magellan (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 30 July 2012 01:50 (eleven years ago) link
Those comics are like Etsy in four panels. Fucking disgusting.
― camp lo magellan (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 30 July 2012 01:51 (eleven years ago) link
Are you gonna be on ilx all the time after you get laid off?
― bamcquern, Monday, 30 July 2012 02:28 (eleven years ago) link
I think it's really uncool to talk about my personal and IRL life. I'd appreciate it if you refrained from doing so in the future. Thanks in advance.
― camp lo magellan (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 30 July 2012 03:00 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, here on ILX we like our assholery shut off from the outside world, to run free with impunity!
― Nhex, Monday, 30 July 2012 03:30 (eleven years ago) link
The Shining one is everything I hate about Family Guy that everyone tells me Family Guy isn't like anymore.
And the others are way too cute and self-aware.
The dice one and the Kool-Aid one were okay in a pbf wannabe sorta way.
Tarot cards would've been 23% funnier if panels 2 & 4 had been cut.
― pplains, Monday, 30 July 2012 03:46 (eleven years ago) link
http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/180/779/1110020225066.png
― pplains, Monday, 30 July 2012 03:47 (eleven years ago) link
It's like Akbar & Jeff 2012.
webcomics are the worst thing in the world, but 'no egrets' made me laugh
― iatee, Monday, 30 July 2012 03:50 (eleven years ago) link
all yall finding this stuff intolerable really need to check out vgcats to recalibrate.
― Philip Nunez, Monday, 30 July 2012 03:52 (eleven years ago) link
brb
― pplains, Monday, 30 July 2012 04:01 (eleven years ago) link
pplains, i like you, but i just don't get you
― Nhex, Monday, 30 July 2012 04:06 (eleven years ago) link
I just want the damn things to be honest and funny. Don't try to pull at my heart strings, don't try to insert an out-of-nowhere pop reference as the only gag and don't try to fill space to fill space. All I ask.
VG Cats didn't thrill me, but I acknowledge that I was born during the Nixon administration. That said, this was funny:
http://www.vgcats.com/comics/images/100708.jpg
cuz we've all been there guys, amirite?
― pplains, Monday, 30 July 2012 04:12 (eleven years ago) link
(And I'm not really some crazed rage-comicaholic. I remember when The Simpsons were known as the crudest thing on television and since then, I've seen Beavis & Butthead -> South Park (->Terrence & Phillip) -> all down the line to where we now have c&p'd panels with badly drawn Disney characters speaking in mangled text. Can't wait to see what comes next.)
― pplains, Monday, 30 July 2012 04:16 (eleven years ago) link
Hey Whiney, when you try so hard to be an asshole on the internet, it affects people's "IRL life." The division isn't as clean as you'd like it to be.
― bamcquern, Monday, 30 July 2012 05:14 (eleven years ago) link
yah, but we do have a general line of demarcation regarding people's jobs or unwanted conversation that connects their ILX username with their IRL namesso deep breath let's all be cool? feel free to call each other dicks maybe? i hear that's what the kids are doing these days
― I dont even know that I think this sucks per se (forksclovetofu), Monday, 30 July 2012 05:19 (eleven years ago) link
or ask dickish q's to whiney on the "whiney q&a" thread, instead of going off-topic in this thread clearly delineated for whiney to be a dick in
― ¥╡*ٍ*╞¥ (sic), Monday, 30 July 2012 05:25 (eleven years ago) link
The sweaty babies = classic surreal farce, not my tiptop favourite thing but I'll eat it up all day, sure. The same joke as eg Father Ted (which might be my tip top favourite thing, now that I think about it)
The apple store comic it's against = shit in a can. And totally filling space to fill space, the first two panels could be removed and it'd still be as funny which = no funny. And also with the pop culture reference that you hate?
Is it a thing where you see the art as being as bad in both, but twp is worse because it's trying?
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 30 July 2012 05:25 (eleven years ago) link
Cuh, some of us were doing comics drawn badly for humorous effect years before these 4chan upstarts.
However, comics where the creators actually give a shit about quality can also be worthwhile. Such as Nedroid or Gunnerkrigg Court.
Who knows, perhaps there is room for both in this world. IMAGINE THAT!
― Pheeel, Monday, 30 July 2012 09:43 (eleven years ago) link
Hey Whiney, when you try so hard to be an asshole on the internet, it affects people's "IRL life." The division isn't as clean as you'd like it to be. --bamcquern
I'm making fun of web comics and you're making fun of my job and career and personal life. There's a clear, unblurry distinction there and if you can't see it, maybe the moderators can
― camp lo magellan (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 30 July 2012 12:12 (eleven years ago) link
Sorry for response, didn't see that forks covered this... Carry on, thread.
― camp lo magellan (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 30 July 2012 12:14 (eleven years ago) link
Ha, goaste. I was in love with their versions of Nemi strips.
xposts
― emil.y, Monday, 30 July 2012 12:17 (eleven years ago) link
hey whiney can you tell us why Pup and Bodyworld and When I Am King are shit?
― ¥╡*ٍ*╞¥ (sic), Monday, 30 July 2012 13:35 (eleven years ago) link
When did WGW go off script and get personal with anyone here? Unless you're all taking these twee-ass strips to heart and finding your chivalry threatened when they're called out for the shit they are.
I probably need to just take my business over to this thread since both the dolans and the "kids have fun" strips can join hands together and be as one there:
What's the worst online comic strip?
― pplains, Monday, 30 July 2012 13:56 (eleven years ago) link
honestly, i'm just tired of seeing him troll every thread. dude needs to chill (on ILX, i have no business knowing about his personal life)
― Nhex, Monday, 30 July 2012 16:07 (eleven years ago) link
Whiney only trolls on the threads where I disagree with him.
― pplains, Monday, 30 July 2012 16:14 (eleven years ago) link
Haha, not true at all.
― Nhex, Monday, 30 July 2012 16:28 (eleven years ago) link
goofy pls
― am0n, Monday, 30 July 2012 16:29 (eleven years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/O0E87.png
― Philip Nunez, Monday, 30 July 2012 17:32 (eleven years ago) link
http://harkavagrant.com/nonsense/SF1.jpg
― Mordy, Monday, 6 August 2012 02:42 (eleven years ago) link
Patrick Farley's NSFW flash comic The First Word is a hold-onto-your-hats bit of amazement. Wow.
― What percentage of my speech is meaningful? (R Baez), Sunday, 25 November 2012 16:57 (eleven years ago) link
whoa, neat. some inventive animations/transitions
― Nhex, Sunday, 25 November 2012 17:53 (eleven years ago) link
man, that guy's been doing those FOREVER; i remember apocamon from what must've been just around 2000
― (alternatively, “Respec’”) (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 25 November 2012 20:37 (eleven years ago) link
tbf though, this is a lot better IMO than the stuff he did in the early '00s
― Nhex, Sunday, 25 November 2012 21:02 (eleven years ago) link
oh no doubt! definitely channeling some corben there.
― (alternatively, “Respec’”) (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 25 November 2012 23:44 (eleven years ago) link
corben comparison OTM
― What percentage of my speech is meaningful? (R Baez), Sunday, 25 November 2012 23:57 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.tcj.com/webcomics-capsule-reviews-2/
― it was very clear that it's a sarcastic song (forksclovetofu), Friday, 1 February 2013 04:03 (eleven years ago) link
http://vimeo.com/58412851
― the 'dirty sprite' is implied (forksclovetofu), Monday, 11 March 2013 16:47 (eleven years ago) link
http://25.media.tumblr.com/c1ee750cf3a524ee8e5e92a011c4ef2a/tumblr_moipfvh1f01qd18uko1_500.png
― i wanna be a gabbneb baby (Hungry4Ass), Monday, 17 June 2013 20:56 (ten years ago) link
http://biebercomic.tumblr.com/post/53190105484/biebercomic-sean-t-collins-michael-hawkins
― Mordy , Tuesday, 18 June 2013 03:54 (ten years ago) link
mordy. mordy. no
― Nhex, Tuesday, 18 June 2013 04:51 (ten years ago) link
Nhex and I finally agree on something itt.
― pplains, Tuesday, 18 June 2013 15:17 (ten years ago) link
Akkkkk, alterna-lit dudes who write fan-fiction, possibly the worst form of art outside of latte foam sculptures
― Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 18 June 2013 22:07 (ten years ago) link
http://24.media.tumblr.com/f5ed665773ac517879e54926e5e4fa36/tumblr_my2xcktI9K1rnw5qjo5_500.png
― Mordy , Friday, 20 December 2013 03:59 (ten years ago) link
http://lamezone.net/cosm/img/cosm22.png
― bamcquern, Friday, 20 December 2013 04:19 (ten years ago) link
um.
― Strangers look on with a discernible, barely contained ‘wow’. (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 December 2013 05:14 (ten years ago) link
yeah, that was my reaction.
― Nhex, Friday, 20 December 2013 05:17 (ten years ago) link
reminds me of some of the study group stuff
― Mordy , Friday, 20 December 2013 05:19 (ten years ago) link
http://www.sassquach.com/journal/2013/11/4/boys-night.html
― Dan I., Friday, 20 December 2013 14:44 (ten years ago) link
yeah, that's written by john landis' kid, who also wrote the movie Chronicle
― Strangers look on with a discernible, barely contained ‘wow’. (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 December 2013 15:45 (ten years ago) link
In January 2012, Variety reported that Disney picked up a pitch Landis made for a space adventure focusing on a brother and sister. The film is set to be produced by Wedding Crashers producer Andrew Panay.[20]
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, 20 December 2013 16:16 (ten years ago) link
Zathura 2!
― Nhex, Friday, 20 December 2013 16:18 (ten years ago) link
http://25.media.tumblr.com/7b71582cb166691afb706e99af17e5c2/tumblr_my2j2wR7CG1t9xnk4o1_500.jpg
― Mordy , Friday, 20 December 2013 19:39 (ten years ago) link
http://shelf-life.ew.com/2014/09/24/acclaimed-webcomic-strong-female-protagonist-is-coming-to-print/?
― Nhex, Friday, 26 September 2014 20:00 (nine years ago) link
thanks for that nhex, i just power read the first two issues. it's very good!
― the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Friday, 26 September 2014 21:48 (nine years ago) link
Strong Female Protagonist is A++ btw; highly recommended.http://blankslatebooks.co.uk/zygote/masterplasty.htmlhttp://harveyjames.tumblr.com/
― the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 2 October 2014 16:36 (nine years ago) link
SFP is a gem, glad you likethis harvey james's stuff is pretty cool, great faces and color
― Nhex, Saturday, 4 October 2014 01:26 (nine years ago) link
I also power-read SFP, was fucking great. Very happy to have discovered that.
― emil.y, Saturday, 4 October 2014 02:07 (nine years ago) link
https://www.theverge.com/2019/4/5/18295369/webcomics-xkcd-questionable-content-dinosaur-comics-90s-internet-social-media
― Nhex, Saturday, 6 April 2019 03:40 (five years ago) link
Recommending - story starts here
https://www.instagram.com/p/CjMM_ONr1JZ/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
― Chuck_Tatum, Saturday, 22 October 2022 22:24 (one year ago) link
Oh, that looks great. Really nice art. It's hard to find good narrative webcomics these days, but I have enjoyed both Ninecrow and Everything Is Fine. They're both horror, Ninecrow has great art but feels a little traditional story-wise, whereas Everything Is Fine isn't amazing art-wise but does manage to be pretty genuinely disturbing at times.
― emil.y, Saturday, 22 October 2022 23:32 (one year ago) link
nice to see false knees having a go at a real story
― “Cheeky cheeky!” she trills, nearly demolishing a roadside post (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 23 October 2022 07:33 (one year ago) link
Ninecrow starts off rough in both writing and art, but gets good by the end. Looking forward to Book 2 whenever it happens. Hoping this gets a Netflix adaptation someday, feels like its made for TV
Everything is Fine is great so far, still going through it
― Nhex, Monday, 24 October 2022 13:52 (one year ago) link