thread for discussion of guitarists i have only heard of because i read guitar magazines in the late 90s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOsgv_X_cV8

1. joe satriani

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wpn6LVxX0s

2. phil keaggy

iirc satriani was discussed a bunch when coldplay ripped off his melody

i also know htat he is sometimes called 'the silver surfer'

and i think he formed a supergroup with steve vai or something

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnNPsoE0pns

3. steve morse

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSlR90VEKlY
4. John Petrucci

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSlR90VEKlY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6N4WbXRu-c

5. KENNY WAYNE

yeah, petrucci is otm

6. Eric Johnson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15eu7ar5EKM

i am completely unclear on how any of these guys have careers

was just going to post EJ!

Alan Holdsworth

Tony MacApline

David T. Chastain

Alex Skolnick

Stu Hamm (bassist but still a staple)

Victor Wooten (ditto)

Alvin Lee

Michael Hedges

love ej's shirt in that video, very "would thou likest to hear a tune, m'lady?"

i am completely unclear on how any of these guys have careers

― call all destroyer, Thursday, May 15, 2014 7:28 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I think they have pretty loyal live audiences plus I think they get a lot of money from gear/guitar/amp sponsors and also do live "clinics"

what kind of music is this even?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWPLaY9SyOY

robben ford

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsvSVtXRu7A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HC60XNiS-MQ
Paul Gilbert

ladies and gentlemen...Popa Chubby

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufwGhOUy1Jw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aS_IYe5JTZ4
yngwie malmsteen of course

THE GREATEST BASS SOLO EVER

http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnq3ZW6OyTI

Billy Sheehan

Buckethead until Axl snatched him up

who am i to disagree

it's the greatest

allan holdsworth's hands are actually scary

will jazz ppl get offended if I say Stanley Clarke and Jaco Pastorious?

My roommate (and one of my best friends) bought this in college and we would watch it regularly

http://i.imgur.com/1rtzXKx.jpg

Bela Fleck

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4emJASIuYA
JEFF BECK

man i've known for quite some time that steve vai has a song called 'bad horsie' but never in a million years would i have guessed that it actually featured real horse sound effects

frank gambale is a really good one.

jeff beck's inclusion makes me sad, but yeah

Shawn Lane

http://i.imgur.com/exhhOoZ.png

jeff beck has good stuff

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0d1HilfLxA

trower

Jason Becker (man, totally sucks about his ALS :( )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTx0ms0tfCE

yeah beck's weird cuz he started out in real stuff and then kinda turned into this

he rules obv in yardbirds and jeff beck group and even though his early solo albums sort of birthed this whole genre they are good

pains me to say this as a good ilx brigade member but Leo Kottke

Ralph Macchio

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGWfDkx4zyY

al dimeola

yes!

who are you, al?!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIFC0LOmJ_g

steve lukather

feel that this stuff would be easier to understand if it wasn't posing as music, it seems to work with an entirely different set of aesthetic criteria than anything i know and like as music.

i am scanning through guitar player's features archive and in jan 2014 i found a page with lukather, satriani, holdsworth, and lukather again.

it's been 15 years since i read this magazine!

wow

tommy emmanuel

i ended up watching this whole thing on palladia HD once, so ridiculous

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ik0T9ivZVhk

Joe Pass

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7mqDYTLGzI

Jennifer Batton - she was Michael Jackson's guitarist for awhile

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewxQqpXprNA

Doug Mark's and his "Metal Method", I used to see those ads

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mpfFiYgaEs

did anyone notice the thing where every few months these magazines featured a sitarist no one had ever heard of who was working on some kind of sitar-blues fusion thing?

eric gales

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6q-1KSW4BiM

All my knowledge of this stuff is secondhand but these types of instruments were a regular staple of guitar mags right

http://www.stick.com/instruments/

the stick is forever tied to Mr. Tony Levin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgUDDxFgL7I

ex-Billy Idol guitarist Steve Stevens

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncOA5GbU-ZI

though Dokken was pretty famous, George Lynch was always a big deal in guitar mags

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0QCR06v0vw

sonny landreth

who knows what kenny wayne shepherd has been up to since then but in the 90s he broke as a (weedly weedly rock tradition) blues guitarist who was a teenager (thus golly talent etc)

doesn't really fit in w/ these weirdos at least not in their dotage

i think i bought an album by one of them once but i forget which one and anyway it sucked

I remember these mags constantly talking about Eric Johnson's tone. His big thing was tone.

It was great when alternative rock got big and Guitar Player would still have tabs for Stevie Ray Vaughan sings but they'd also have to interview Grasshopper from Mercury Rec about recording the sound of cats trying to eat tuna from under guitar strings.

michael schenker (you might've known him legitimately for other reasons, but his guitar magazine fame was something else altogether)

for a while guitar player mag was the cool alternative to guitar mag. their johnny marr cover story was formative for me.

doesn't really fit in w/ these weirdos at least not in their dotage

kenny wayne was on a g3 tour so he's in

i've always kinda dug "cliffs of dover"

Hey now, you're all missing a classic thread here that has a LOT of crossover with this:

John Petrucci brings you...ROCK DISCIPLINE (a picture thread if the pictures can fit)

The Petrucci and Gambale video reviews therein are astounding.

You can always go straight to the Petrucci review here. And you should.

good thread! how did i forget about zakk wylde

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S018IwrFd_4

^^^the best solo fyi

Left Hand Technique: Legato Playing
Exercising the left hand with hammerons and pulloffs. Some of it kinda sounds like "Eruption".
I forgot to mention that he is filmed with a purple lens filter for much of this. it really brings out his choadliness.
He wants us to massage ourselves again cuz now it's time to put it all together and shred!.
He makes like Steve Vai at the end of Crossroads for a few minutes, then plays some shit slow for a while, finally showing us again how fast A REAL ASSHOLE LIKE HIM can play it! Some VH tapping in there as well...

for a while guitar player mag was the cool alternative to guitar mag. their johnny marr cover story was formative for me.

― fact checking cuz, Thursday, May 15, 2014 8:48 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i found a ratty old copy of it somewhere when i was a kid, from the mid/late 80s and they actually did a story on the avant garde guitar scene! featured sonic youth, live skill, savage republic, rat at rar r, and bands like that - first exposure to any of that

guitar player was the only one of these mags that ever covered anything cool, much to their credit

I watched that Yngwie "Arpeggios from Hell" video last week. So rad.

Jeez Holdsworth's guitars are some of the ugliest I've ever seen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvouiDJSTUE

^Might be too old, but I know 90s guitar mags tabbed this song out all the time.

Holdsworth is the man. I love a lot of this music. Jeff Beck rules all, obviously

Oh Holdsworth can really play. Like Gambale. Has his own thing going on.

thread of badass guitarists

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiXR9ggRdFI

did they talk about danny gatton in late 90s guitar mags?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGGE4CrPvjU

I think there's definitely a subset of players even in a technically minded field like this where you can go, yeah, maybe not my thing, but they've completely fucking mastered that. Be it the fluidity of the playing or not relying on speed or knowing exactly where to speed up. And so on.

xp fuck yes they did but he was dead so they couldn't interview him every other month

danny gatton was really good imo

I posted this in the Yngwie thread but in case you missed what is in my opinion the greatest single thing ever said by a musician in an interview:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHZ48AE3TOI

pains me to say this as a good ilx brigade member but Leo Kottke

And here is the part of the thread where UMS breaks my heart into a million bits.

Kottke in his prime pre tendonitis could eat basically every one of these dudes alive. Also bonus points wrote listenable songs and stuff.

god bless yngwie xp

Ha I realize I am uh shall we say biased thx to family history, but I'm speaking from outside of that here.

JJ I love kottke!

re: kottke idk if the guitar press ever knew what to do with him, he's a weirdo and not really the ingratiating type.

also yes he wrote songs in addition to being able to shred.

http://thumbs1.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/mlJU-jYkubCgoyMTwjHabKg.jpg
peter lang

I know about like 95% of the dudes in this thread because of my high school guitar teacher. I always thought nearly all of them were terrible and used to just kind of grin and grit my teeth through listening to them/talking about them. He was also really into this duo called Tuck & Patti (guitarist Tuck Andress) who I continue to find pretty embarrassing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIVjCJ3jNDw

Even as my tastes have "mellowed" and "matured" I continue to find almost all of the music in this thread pointless.

Two things I know about Tuck & Patti:
* St. Vincent is related to one of them (a niece I think)
* Jim Carrey wrote a song for them that they recorded

tuck andress is def one of these guys. i lol'd when i found out he is annie clark's uncle.

He was also into this "unsung" guy called Danny Gatton (no one ever mentions Danny Gatton without talking about how unsung he was).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUpP7CnW4yA

Kinda cool, certainly could play, but honestly it's not really surprising why this no-style-having dude playing country-pickin and blues in the 80s was "unsung."

Tuck the uncle of Annie Clark iirc.

My guitar teacher was a nice and pretty cool guy and also had no style. His only criterion was "that cat can play." He would praise literally anyone who could play their instrument well.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-PXYGyIKFoo0/UXsL_RcplFI/AAAAAAAABEk/rVhEybOUcGo/s1600/GP-Thurston.JPG

Gatton was a genius. Search for some clip with him, Alvin Lee and Vince Gill, the latter two unsung but as good as anyone.

Albert Lee sorry.

did they talk about danny gatton in late 90s guitar mags?
http://www.youtube.com/v/mGGE4CrPvjU&fs=1&hl=en

― brimstead, Thursday, May 15, 2014 7:13 PM (33 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Haha I thought so m@tt I just parsed the way you said that wrong, sorry dude!

Kottke in person is a very sweet odd dude (wrt that press deal), he once told my dad after I fell down and banged my head as a 2 yr old or so on something that he should buy me a crash helmet and my dad laughed and then realized that Leo was completely serious.

One Way Rider - Albert Lee, Vince Gill & Danny Ga…: http://youtu.be/O8ljrPfsa50

Kinda cool, certainly could play, but honestly it's not really surprising why this no-style-having dude playing country-pickin and blues in the 80s was "unsung."

Who does he sound like, though? I mean, you can definitely hear his influences sure, but no style?!? I think he's unsung because instrumental guitar music has not been popular in several decades, duh

Also UMS in service of my endless attempts to get you into the shop to hang out, if you show up I'll play you a bunch of kottke live as a 17-19 year old, shit is nuts. I'll even throw in live fahey rambling on about the weird contents of his head, tuning forever, and then banging out crazy awesome 15 minute raga drones, rinse, repeat.

honestly he sounds a lot like the dude on the right in that video (vince gill?)

no

Gatton was far from unsung in guitar nerd world in the late 80s, but no one outside of that cared much. Dude who knew him and worked on his fender signature guitar straight up told me that the depression/suicide was 100% based on realizing he was never going to escape that level, which is a huge bummer.

Vince Gill can shred by the way. I had no idea til one of those crossroads shows. Brad Paisley his modern heir.

Gatton was also kind of the last of the Atkins/Clark/reed sorta dudes in country, super effortless.

http://youtu.be/ND2NFtImjlY

Vince Gill & Brad Paisley - "Workin' Man Blues": http://youtu.be/-cm8hgoLc80

i wouldn't call vince gill unsung, though. his chops are the stuff of legend in nashville.

Gatton was far from unsung in guitar nerd world in the late 80s, but no one outside of that cared much. Dude who knew him and worked on his fender signature guitar straight up told me that the depression/suicide was 100% based on realizing he was never going to escape that level, which is a huge bummer.

― Everyone is awful except you. Wait, no, you are also awful. (jjjusten), Thursday, May 15, 2014 10:56 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeesh

Yep

That is extremely sad, but it's not exactly surprising that a guitarist's guitarist is never going to go beyond being a guitarist's guitarist, particularly if he plays in styles that are out of step with the pop music of the day. Seems similar to being a jazz musician or something, possible even a little better in that I bet he could play bigger venues than jazzers.

Jeez guys, hate to interrupt this bring-down fest (I finally listened to a Danny Gatton record last year and couldn't latch on to it at all), but thread is seriously missing Guy Mann Dude

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zEi3yXy_5g

Is Guy-Manuel de Homem-Christo from Daft Punk a hat-tip to this guy?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIhoG6cS-3Y

Blues Saraceno

(later temporarily in Poison)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hH4hzTOxJVA

Richie Kotzen

(also temporarily in Poison)

Marty Friedman / Jason Becker

guitar player was the only one of these mags that ever covered anything cool, much to their credit

― call all destroyer, Thursday, May 15, 2014 10:05 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Hey now, Guitar magazine covered both REM and U2 when they were largely only listened to by kids who would get their asses kicked by the metalheads and fusion jazzbos who were the primary audiences. They tabbed "Can't Get There From Here" and "Sunday Bloody Sunday" in 1986 and 1987, respectively.

did these dudes all start learning to play the guitar at like four or something

This may be one of my favorite covers. Look at the transcriptions: YES! QUEENSRYCHE! THE WHO! JEFF BECK! The Beach Boys?

http://thumbs1.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/mCaPYrRogKGLLJe2aqK3zOA.jpg

can't forget michael angelo batio

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOjHhJd70f4

don't jazz ppl know joe pass? like, canonically? def a strange venn diagram between respected jazz musicians and guitar mag pillars

here's a full concert with ella fitzgerald (complete with inane+insane youtube commenters):

http://youtu.be/2olBE4C5_Gk

If we're just talking guitar, and not even '90s guitar, I know we've mentioned Paul Gilbert, but Racer X is what made my friend invoke the conflation "guitarded:"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6i6Pbpc0z4

i know extreme had hits, but, nuno bettencourt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioBy875IEwM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rd02bE6o2Rs

This dude totally not widely known/mentioned:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wq2GqlFmNUk#t=15

(Except where he;s mentioned upthread, sorry)

beautiful shredding

Not 90s, but Guthrie Govan:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yPEewaalik

that's pretty great!

guthrie is awesome

I saw him at a club show recently, at the end he asked the audience for a show of hands of who was in a band. Everybody basically.

hhaha

yeah that was good! never heard of that guy.

that al dimeola video is everything the mars volta wished they could be.

jazz fusion sounded so much better in the '70s.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/28/Kissmyaxe.jpg

beautiful shredding sorta nails what i enjoy about this stuff, it's like gorgeous patterns of melodic gleaming shrapnel flying around

i mean, the phrase "beautiful shredding"

Shout out to Steve Kahn (is he too jazz for this thread?), far from a gimmicky guitar mag guy, but his solos tend to really bring that heavy euphoric escalator-to-heaven fusion guitar style

Neil Zaza is p.big w/a few of the Guitar Center / South Korean Catholic CCM crossover ppl I know:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QadSVWXF_ks

Holy crap I had no idea anyone outside Cleveland knew who Neil Zaza was. ZAZA was one of the biggest hair metal bands on the scene in the 80s.

http://melodic-hardrock.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/ZAZA_01.jpg

He should start an effects box company.

Zaza's Pedals.

jjjusten will buy

btw. That dude is truly living the life. Buys all those pedals and it's his job.

Mixin' business with lesrher

Leather ahem

I got these stonewashed tight jeans...this black t-shirt

Haha I actually have a neil zaza signature pedal in stock no lie. Purchase had exactly zero to do with association with Neil zaza, it's a repro of a long lost great dod pedal (yeah I know, but srsly) called the juice box.

http://www.mooeraudio.com/EN/news_show.asp?MsgID=66

Posts very much in character yes I know

O_O

for a while guitar player mag was the cool alternative to guitar mag. their johnny marr cover story was formative for me.

― fact checking cuz, Thursday, May 15, 2014 8:48 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i found a ratty old copy of it somewhere when i was a kid, from the mid/late 80s and they actually did a story on the avant garde guitar scene! featured sonic youth, live skill, savage republic, rat at rar r, and bands like that - first exposure to any of that

― dollar rave club (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, May 15, 2014 9:04 PM (3 days ago)

I might still have this issue. Big story on Sonic Youth, with tunings and tablature, and a big annotated fold-out poster of famous players' guitar picks.
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41fJ6z6Zg2L._SX258_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg
http://www.amazon.com/Guitar-Magazine-February-Improvisation-Painted/dp/B00I14TBWK

Zaza's Pedals.
― overwhelmed with sweat (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Saturday, May 17, 2014 7:29 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Lol

Hmm, I guess the tuning and tab for Teenage Riot would be cool to know.

Guitar (formerly 'For the Practicing Musician') in the 90s did jizz a lot over these dudes (and I remember being all 'uhhh ok' whenever I heard any of it), but tbf they always gave equal credit to up and coming bands that wrote interesting music and weren't really flashy. I remember them giving Crowbar's "Time Heals Nothing" a pretty glowing review.

but then they'd review the latest Toto and whine that in the midst of a glossy pop album that Lukather wasn't lighting up the fretboard more and you're like "...ohhhh welcome back, Guitar".

Hmm, I guess the tuning and tab for Teenage Riot would be cool to know.

one of the first things i did after getting access to 90s Usenet was print out a table of known Sonic Youth guitar tunings. i showed it to a guy i knew who said that SY were "pretentious" for tuning their guitars differently - this guy was a huge Dylan fan as well haha

http://www.sonicyouth.com/mustang/tab/teenage_riot.txt

Hey, if anyone has copies of any of the Guitar Player issues (or other guitar mags for that matter) with features on Sonic Youth, could you please contact me? I've been searching for them for something I'm working on now.

Those pretentious blues slide guitarists and their "open E"

would jump all over a pdf of that issue myself xpost

When Joe Gore (later w/ PJ Harvey) was the Editor-in-Chief, Guitar Player had a lot of articles of interest for the Kool Kidz.

he also took up tom waits gtr duties after ribot iirc

what kind of music is this even?

i've been thinking about this question a lot. i think the answer is "demonstration music"

if you think of art in terms of how much athleticism is required you probably like this music

you know a lot of the time the rococo blast of lots of bright textures at high speeds is really appealing to me but generally the melodic sense of these guys is so terrible

i mean i was listening to hella today so i guess i can't be one to talk

hella is almost certainly the best candidate for indie analogue to this kind of music

Athleticism is a good comparison, M@tt and I always talk about this stuff as being like a magic trick. It can be cool and fun to watch the first time, but it certainly doesn't sustain yr interest as art.

And that Al DiMeola "Kiss My Axe" album cover up there is the greatest thing ever

There are hip hop equivalents to this too, dudes who can rap super fast and complexly but don't really say much or have any style.

http://a3.mzstatic.com/us/r30/Music2/v4/d5/a9/fd/d5a9fd1a-2656-9be3-fad3-265d2694d269/859710076054_cover.170x170-75.jpg

there's a vague steely dan vibe on this album

I bet guthrie could have done well in a dan session

I kinda like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0Deu_M6Q0g

I mean I'm going to buy this thing and learn to play it

and i'm going to arrange by stuffed animals around me and pretend they are fagen, becker, et al.

Do it, and please post a video. Guitar World usually seemed cooler than Guitar Player in the 90s (think GW was where Bob Quine had a column for a while; not like a classroom, the way some others did it, but a fairly evocative discussion of his faves: he was really into Mickey Baker). But GP tried. They had CD series, Legends of Guitar, which delved into several genres (like two volumes of country, bringing the A-List Nashville cats). Also I've still got this: not too big on the Barney Kessel etc, but always did 'ppreciate the range. incl the last two tracks (CD Bonus Tracks!)
Legends Of Guitar Presents Legends Of Guitar-Jazz, Vol.1
Label:
Rhino Records (2) ‎– R2 70717
Format:
CD, Compilation
Country:
US
Released:
1990
Genre:
Jazz
Style:

Tracklist Hide Credits
1 –Frankie Trumbauer & His Orchestra* I'm Coming, Virginia

Guitar – Eddie Lang

3:13
2 –Kansas City Six, The* Countless Blues

Guitar – Freddie Green*

3:02
3 –Jack Teagarden & His Orchestra* Pickin' For Patsy

Guitar – Allan Reuss

2:45
4 –George Barnes Quartet I'm Forever Blowing Bubbles

Guitar – George Barnes

2:58
5 –Charlie Christian Up On Teddy's Hill

Guitar – Charlie Christian

6:10
6 –Cats & The Fiddle, The* Stomp Stomp (Fox Trot)

Guitar – Tiny Grimes

2:58
7 –Charlie Parker All Stars* Relaxin' At Camarillo

Guitar – Barney Kessel

3:10
8 –Lennie Tristano & His Sextet* Intuition

Guitar – Billy Bauer

2:30
9 –Laurindo Almeida Blue Balao

Guitar – Laurindo Almeida

3:21
10 –Tal Farlow Gibson Boy

Guitar – Barry Galbraith

2:46
11 –Howard Roberts Serenata Burlesca

Guitar – Howard Roberts

3:10
12 –Wes*, Buddy* & Monk Montgomery Montgomery Funk

Guitar – Wes Montgomery

4:19
13 –Lenny Breau Mercy, Mercy, Mercy

Guitar – Lenny Breau

5:27
14 –Larry Coryell Spaces (Infinite)

Guitar – John McLaughlin, Larry Coryell

9:21
15 –John Scofield Shinola

Guitar – John Scofield

2:39
16 –Derek Bailey Scaling

Guitar – Derek Bailey

2:30
Notes

Billy Bauer is really intriguing too; need to dig up my Lennie Tristano cult CDs.

ey Guitar Player, you really wanna impress me with your Derek Bailey refs then give me some tabs.

Govan is def aware of SDan. There's a 30 minute lesson of his on youtube where he calls one of the chords in a progression he wrote a 'cheap Steely Dan chord.'

Visually I can see Govan in the early 70s Dan set up. Late 70s not so much

I remembered Adrian Davison, a Canadian bass player who was billed as "the world's fastest", advertised in the 90s guitar and bass magazines, yet was not interviewed or reviewed kindly by them. Googling revealed that his playing technique screwed his hands up completely, so that he has been unable to play for years, and this astonishing web site. Be sure to click on the video. http://www.adriandavison.com

what kind of music is this even?

i've been thinking about this question a lot. i think the answer is "demonstration music"

― goole, Monday, July 21, 2014 4:43 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

In this interview with Adrian Davison, the interviewer refers to the late 80s/early 90s as "the golden age for player rock".

http://www.globalbass.com/archives/july2001/adrian_davison.htm

I like how in that interview he blames the hand problems on emotional stress -- man, look at your wrists on that Oh Canada video and say that again with a straight face. Hurts to watch!

player rock!

"Hey man, is that Player Rock?"
"Yeah man!"
"Well, zoom the camera in on his fretting hand, man!"

i laughed, but then, i really wish they would zoom in on the fretting hand

I agree. Watching these guys play is half the enjoyment.

as a man tainted by guitar store life, there is no enjoyment to be found here

which song do you hear most?

i think the audience for Player Rock and for jam bands overlaps pretty heavily? at least i had friends in high school who were into both

music-as-technical-performance etc etc

kids in high school = the primary audience for both

i have enjoyed some robin trower

I'd like to see YOU GUYS play Allan Holdsworth.

I wouldn't

New ILX compilation?

first takes only

ILX Shreds

My roommate (and one of my best friends) bought this in college and we would watch it regularly

http://i.imgur.com/1rtzXKx.jpg
― 龜, Friday, May 16, 2014 12:35 AM (2 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

superiorist post itt

Monster Picking and Speed Licks

frank gambale's outfit is pretty on-trend imo

http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090514085837/ibanez/images/b/bb/Frank_Gambale.jpg

I've never read any guitar mags but presume that Fredrik Thordendal might fit the bill here?

No wai

poor joe stump up there all by himself

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWJLWHxKLUI

someone sold me a huge stack of classic rock magazines at the store (a magazine i love by the way because every other issue features an interview with nick mason) and i kept staring at this cover cuz how do you get to be on the cover of a magazine called CLASSIC rock and i have no idea who the hell you are:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-EONW7Jn0zyA/TwTgEKMe8nI/AAAAAAAATAM/_hcUF1CgXSs/s1600/mainbanner_red_2.jpg

twice even...

http://jbonamassa.com/features/2013/classic_rock_magazine_joe_bonamassa_featured/images/share_joe.jpg

well it costs 500 quid to see him

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rh08Dum_HLw

can't read the year on the issue with the nu metal article.

July 2009?

or 2000?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/CLASSIC-ROCK-July-2013-JOE-BONAMASSA-BAG-OF-BONES-CD-The-Who-DIO-Megadeth-NEW-/171059254247?pt=UK_Magazines&hash=item27d3ed13e7

2013!

lol i thought it might be 2013 but i was like that makes no sense.

all those brit mags are endlessly readable/entertaining if you are me.

plus, Classic Rock's sister magazine AOR is like the greatest magazine on earth.

http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/236x/72/51/1a/72511a2bf16181209ef97f21eb080c01.jpg

AOR! Wow

i really need a venn diagram for classic rock and aor

a john bonnamasa show was on public tv like a year ago and it was so awful. the most boring torturous achey electric bluesy folk crap imaginable, seriously headache inducing. every song seemed at least 10 minutes long. i just wanted to tell him "alright, i get it, you're really good at acting all rootsy and bluesy, can you stop now?". at least satriani and vai dudes rock out and throw in some jazz flavor and stuff. This was just like an audience endurance test, totally "feel bad" music. Like grinding your teeth for 2 hours.

My wife has an Ayn Randian nut friend that was recently Bonnamasa, and I had never heard him. When I did hear it, I concur with the grinding teeth for 2 hours comment and I totally thought 'of course she likes this devil.'

recently = really into

Joe Bonamassa has been able to build up a pretty good sized live show audience, I think at this point quite a bit bigger than the shredder guitarists like Vai etc. At least going by some interviews I have read with the guy, he's a bit more aware of where he stands in the music biz. His audience is the first generation Humble Pie and classic rock bluze audience with some jam band crossovers. Bonamassa is a better guitarist and live singer than some of the SRV clones that came out in the 90s, he's got his niche. The dude has been working it like a day job since he was a teenager, so give the devil a bit of due. I don't think Bonmassa's as good as someone like Warren Hayes, who is a similar guitarist and has been live member with a bunch of the classic 60s/70s groups. Haynes is a pretty good songwriter and plays with a bit more restraint, which is saying something considering they like to play songs for 10-12 minutes a pop.

I like how these dudes all have songs where they do a very little interpretation of what the song title sounds like, e.g. Vai's 'bad horsie' and Bonamassa's 'slow train'.

I will see Mark Knopfler when he comes 'round, but I am definitely passing on the $135 ticket to see this dude.

dudes like Bonamossa are the worst -- the "tasteful" guitar mag showoffs -- because they fall short of anything, they are such jackoffs and terrible songwriters they can't actually convey anything real but they don't even provide the laser-gun ridiculous pyro of the more metal oriented dudes from the shrapnel records school, or vai, etc

http://www.americanbluesscene.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Joe-Bonamassa-and-his-Guitars.jpg

disgusting

file under: punchable faces

Lmao each one of those 12 Les Pauls sound completely different

just desperately want to see someone do a chris farley pratfall into all that

As already said, a lot of these guys deserve flak given everything at their disposal and choice of instrument, there's no reason why thry can't be at least serviceable in the songwriting dept

yeah, exactly, at least shrapnel-type dudes are trying to break the laws of physics via impossibly fast sweep picking and stuff.. they're going for a "whoa holy shit did you hear that, fucking awesome" response rather than dudes like bongmaster trying to earn an oscar for acting all bluesy. And I know there's plenty of quality rootsy stuff made these days that succeeds on musical terms rather than on this fake realness bs.

xp to upper mississipi

yeah, like this type of shit it too funny & awesome IMO

www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJx4IyZgWtY

nice andrew wk cameo there

i hate to say it but jeff beck is kinda the model for this kind of behaviour. putting a band together as an excuse to play guitar solos. never had a great singer after rod. was never in a great band after yardbirds and the brief first version of the jeff beck group. but still...yardbirds greatness and Truth are waaaaaaaaay more than these latter-day dudes will ever come up with if they live to be a thousand.

i was just watching bonamassa on youtube the other day! i had a sick curiosity.

never heard of this guy but am lol'ing at this description from his webpage:

Joe Bonamassa is an American blues rock Guitarist, blues singer and blue music writer who has been giving live performances.

Yah Blow By Blow and Wired by Jeff Beck seem like ground zero for this stuff

i feel like jazz guys have more of an excuse. half their thing is noodling jazzily.

Joe Bonamassa is an American blues rock Guitarist, blues singer and blue music writer who has been giving live performances.

― Οὖτις, Tuesday, February 17, 2015 6:54 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

a guitarist with a capital g

put some Bonamassa sauce on those chicken wings and FEED ME the BLUES

Well there's a slow train coming
Carrying the mighty worker hordes
Eighteen days in the cotton field
Enough to put a man out of coup d'amour
Woo, It's time to move on pretty mama
Woo-hoo, Yes it's time to move on as I go

As the steam from my slow train rises
It's time for me to get on board

Woo,
Woo-hoo

Oh man, I vaguely remembered reading this thread revive the other day, but thought you guys were talking about Eric Johnson at first, then I thought it was Kenny Wayne Shepherd, then I thought it was Derek Trucks! I kept searching all these dudes and couldn't find any recent posts! Finally I figured out it was Bonamassa.

Anyway, check out this lumbering shambles.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xVqtaPMAfw

the part at 0:52 is supposed to be out of control. it is perhaps my favorite moment on Band of Gypsys. but dude switches on his 'they have to hear all of my solo notes clearly' overdrive at that point, and it just sounds sad.

cross posted this w/the david lee roth thread but the solo sections here must be the high water mark of....something

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvfFv6bc23o

ok around 13 minutes on is INSANE

i hate to say it but jeff beck is kinda the model for this kind of behaviour. putting a band together as an excuse to play guitar solos. never had a great singer after rod. was never in a great band after yardbirds and the brief first version of the jeff beck group. but still...yardbirds greatness and Truth are waaaaaaaaay more than these latter-day dudes will ever come up with if they live to be a thousand.

― scott seward, Tuesday, February 17, 2015 6:52 PM (3 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Beck Bogert and Appice wasn't solo guitar wankery. Pretty good stuff too.

I am always secretly let down when I see Joe Bonamassa and he isn't an enormous fat guy wearing a Hawaiian shirt.

yeah he should look like popa chubby

He should make a record called Losing Bonamassa. Cover is him getting calcium pills from a doctor.

He should have a little hat on too and one of his records should be called "BBQ Blues" and the cover would be him with his guitar and a huge plate of ribs in front of him.

I kind of like the fake Bonamassa actually.

It goes with out saying he would have a goatee

I read that description and thought "Maybe he's thinking of Duke Robillard."

Sure enough

http://www.barflyphoto.com/gallery3/var/albums/Groups-and-Bands-A-thru-M/Duke_Robillard_9_13_7.jpg?m=1306900244

Hey wait, guys, something just came in the mail.

It's from the federal government.

Looks like it's your...

http://www.rosebudus.com/robillard/graphic/PassportToTheBlues.jpg

Is John Mayer one of these guys? Like is he known outside of the guitar wank ghetto?

wait are we just going to act like that video ums posted is not the most ridiculous thing we've ever seen?

Duke Robillard! It's like I thought him into existence! I bet he's a fun guy.

I went down to the customs line
to see a woman there
she asked me if I had something I wanted to declare

I said "I love you baby, I want you to be mine"
She said "I'm sorry honey but you're in the wrong line."

Passport to the blues!
Oh baby, passport to the blues!
I bought a ticket to romance
but I didn't have a chance
all I've got is a passport to the blues.

This is your guitar speaking! (solo)

I should ghostwrite for these guys

oh, so where is the line where we wait to own this government employed woman

he has the blues because his dinosaur zoo-park failed

so the lyrics would probably reflect that

http://www.israbox.com/uploads/posts/2010-09/1284173039_duke-robillard-explorer-2000.jpg

Ha, he played on "Time Out of Mind"!

He looks like a pretty cool guy overall, wkiw

Also, many xposts

"Gotta a letter from the government the other day/I opened and read it, it said I had the blues/they sent me my passport or whatever"

"Overstayed my visa in the BLUUUUUUUUUUUUUES"

"I married that woman and all I got was a green card to the BLUUUUUUEES" *guitar solo*

permanent resident of the blues

holding dual citizenship in blues & rock

upon purchasing a turkey sub, I was given a ten sub punch card that's good for one free blues

I got no extradition treaty with the blues

that's so awesome that he's holding a Gibson Explorer on the Explorer album cover

http://mspmag.com/Blogs/The-Morning-After/April-2015/Concert-Review-Joe-Bonamassa/

"Halfway through guitarist Joe Bonamassa’s blistering show at the Orpheum on Saturday night (the second of two concerts here), it occurred to me that I wasn’t just watching a guitar virtuoso demonstrate complete mastery over his instrument. Rather, I was watching a true artist working hard to etch his name in history alongside other legends of the blues: Muddy Waters, B.B. King, Howlin’ Wolf, Lightning Hopkins, Roy Buchanan, Jimi Hendrix, Eric Clapton, Stevie Ray Vaughan . . . and now, Joe Bonamassa."

Bonamassa came out blazing on electric guitar, and there was no sign of wood the entire night.

i beg to differ

I have seen so many ads for that guy all over the place recently and I had never heard of him before a month ago.

My sister's husband gave me a Phil Keaggy tape, Town to Town, because Keaggy is safely evangelical Christian. I didn't like it. I've never looked into things that would highlight his guitar work more.

I feel like I've been hearing about Bonamassa/reading his name for the last 20 years, but I've never heard a note of his music and have never seen it described in a way that would make me want to.

His vocal mike/lectern set up thing is cool as fuck

that post was pretty good, but what happens if you ... Bonnamassify it

Bonamassa always looks classy onstage, dressed in a suit and wearing his trademark wraparound sunglasses.

lol

Introduce Bonamassa to some cocaine & I dare say he turns into Michael Schenker save for same pair of wraparounds in a NY minute.

http://media.syracuse.com/entertainment/photo/022809bonamassa11481jpg-d6723dbde1989cd9.jpg

wunderkind

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD65uNthngs

tony macalpine

(on guitars, keyboard, and bass)

To write the album, Bonamassa went to Nashville and collaborated with three songwriters there: Jonathan Cain, who has written for Journey; James House, known for his work with Diamond Rio, Dwight Yoakam, and Martina McBride; and Jerry Flowers, who has written for Keith Urban. Bonamassa explained to the writers that he wasn't interested in creating three minute radio hits, but just wanted to write some serious blues rock.[21]

http://jbonamassa.com/features/2013/landrover-onelife_magazine/images/bonamassa_landrover_mag_feature_header.jpg

man his current hairline is just brutal

i'm now listening to the "serious blues rock" god lord when will people get tired of music like this

I dunno I'm kind of burnt on all the LOLROFFLEZ I GOTS BLUEZ 4 U bands out there these days, wouldn't mind hearing some "serious blues rock"

See the thing is I like blues rock, but I only like SERIOUS blues rock

i don't think i first heard about frank marino/mahogany rush in guitar magazines, but he definitely seems to qualify

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5vwfwZ6D_U

like the blues greats before him, from Howling Wolf to Robin Trower, Bonnamassa looked to Jonathan Cain of Journey, history's premier serious blues songwriter

Bonamassa explained to the writers that he wasn't interested in creating three minute radio hits, but just wanted to write some serious blues rock.[21]

i'm getting this tattooed down my leg fyi

i kinda miss seeing the billboards for BONAMASSA: THE GUITAR EVENT OF THE YEAR on my way home from work :/

No sign of wood

Spotted this guy's BONAMASSA 77 BLUES ROCK shirt today at the farmer's market:

http://i.imgur.com/GUG6Bcf.jpg

wow many levels of meaning

looks like a bad dude

faceless...much Bonamassa himself etc etc

much like, jesus fuck

woah if he doesn't have a face that's like extra bad

Clothing - T-shirts
Showing: 25-48 of 130

61 different "world t-shirts", each with a graphic of bonnamassa superimposed on the flag of a specific country with "[country name] JOE BONNAMASSA" printed underneath

Not having a face is a worthy thing to have the blues over IMHO.

no-face blues band

The prophets foretold us of this t-shirt

huge bonamassa fan
https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xaf1/t51.2885-15/s306x306/e15/10946415_1474316346157100_1706398953_n.jpg

ooof

http://www.jbonamassa.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=10244

I know some might think this is stupid but.........on saturday 23rd of may im getting a new tattoo.....

which is gonna be the head of Joe's gibson guitar with bonamassa written on it.

Very cool. I like it. My wife and I have matching JB tattoos. I have the sheet music for the main riff of Bridge To Better Days on my rib cage and my wife has it a little smaller on her side also.

i saw a huge bus ad today for a Joe Bonamassa show at the Shoreline. who the fuck listens to this guy

He's Branson entertainment for boomers.

https://simpsonswiki.com/w/images/thumb/7/7b/That%27s_Familiar.png/250px-That%27s_Familiar.png

I hate him so much. BonaMASTURBATE, amirite?

Johnny Hiland:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWBHLRzQUTM

unfortunate camera angle in that clip makes me want to CGI a chained Princess Leia in there.

Oh man I'm in my small remote hometown visiting family and MICHAEL ANGELO BATIO is playing at the historic theater north of here for $20 on Sunday. I found out when I heard an awesome radio ad.

http://www.calumettheatre.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/unnamed.jpg

Are we 100% sure that isn't a picture of Nigel Tufnel?

Actually it kind of looks like Micheal McKean with Tufnel hair

why go back to dual guitars once you've gone quad?

joygoat if you were really our friend you would ditch your family to go to that and tell us about it.

http://www.ernieball.com/bonamassa?utm_campaign=20150801&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_content=Ernie%20Ball%20Presents%20The%20Bonamassa%20Experience&utm_campaign=20150801

http://images.epiphone.com.s3.amazonaws.com/News/Features/2015/20150901_joeb/N_090115A1.jpg

This might be obvious, but it occurred to me that what unites pretty much all of these otherwise disparate guitarists is the idea of the guitar as an end in itself -- the primary purpose of playing the guitar is to display one's ability to play the guitar. This may include concepts like "creativity" and "mood," and not just pure "chops," but the ultimate meaning of the act is still about a kind of virtuosity, rather than about projecting an image or creating atmosphere or adopting a pose or expressing a feeling.

Reb Beach

the same thing goes for all the bitter jazz dudes posting about real musicians on Facebook...their whole angle of approach to music is "i play music because i'm good at music and it's good music because i'm good at music", with very little thought about how it relates to anything outside of itself.

What I don't really get is that the likes of Steely Dan showed a way to incorporate jazz chords, harmony and composition into a coherent whole - many of these guys might not be a Fagen in the songwriting dept, but it seems beyond a lot of these guys to even get a Steely-lite setup going

I remember a guy called Jan Cyrka having a tutorial column in one of the UK guitar magazines in the '90s. It turns out that since then he's been partly responsible for the theme tune of The Jeremy Kyle Show.

What I don't really get is that the likes of Steely Dan showed a way to incorporate jazz chords, harmony and composition into a coherent whole - many of these guys might not be a Fagen in the songwriting dept, but it seems beyond a lot of these guys to even get a Steely-lite setup going

― Master of Treacle, Tuesday, September 15, 2015 4:33 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

It just seems like a different, uh, circuit? I mean most of them probably lack either the ability or the desire to write great songs, and a steely-lite band without great songs is kind of pointless. A lot of them have sort of showcase bands and play at a lot of guitar festivals and the like. These bands are super boring. There are some musicians e.g. in fusion that sort of tread the line I guess, and it's hard to say why a Weather Report or Mahavishnu Orchestra record is good vs. like a solo fusion record by a pure guitarists' guitarist, but I guess a lot of it comes down to composition, self-editing, willful effort to create a sound and concept and not just a vehicle, etc.

Also there are a lot of session guys who can play a wonderful solo on, say, a Steely Dan song but can't or don't really focus on putting their own really conceptually sound band together. Some of that may just be a professional or economic choice, i.e. you can make a nice little living playing these guitar shows and festivals and teaching and selling your instructional books and videos and not have to suffer the whims of the music marketplace by trying to make it as an "artist."

there are a lot of session guys who can play a wonderful solo on, say, a Steely Dan song

any many, many more session guys who can spend a day trying to play a solo on a steely dan song, only to have it scrapped a day later, and then made fun of in an "classic albums" episode 25 years later.

Tony Macapline has cancer :(

nice to see the O.G. guitar mag virtuoso crew takes care of their own :)

http://loudwire.com/steve-vai-zakk-wylde-john-5-lead-benefit-for-tony-macalpine/

imagining these guys hearing a conch shell-style summons of two-hand tapping.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Music/comments/438pam/ama_hey_i_am_john_petrucci_from_dream_theater_ask/

Things like adding MIDI, a direct CabClone, having two graphic EQ's and two lead channels really make this the only Boogie I will ever need.

I just had a very entertaining hour clicking through this thread. I'm friends with a guy who used to be into some of these and used to try and defend Satriani to us ("he's quite tasteful actually, well, compared to Yngwie") but I'm happy to say that he's a Creedence fan now. Had another friend whose sister gave him a present of the G3 Live in Denver DVD (because he played guitar) and we watched it while stoned, which was hilarious for a while, although in the end I was worn down by the sheer quantity of notes.

G3 Live In Denver being a gig featuring Steve Vai, Joe Satriani, and Yngwie Malmsteen, first on their own, and then in a titanic three way display of wank, containing some amazing unintentional moments of hilarity.

Here's Vai being tasteful:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jY8wyKuLY2k

TWO graphic equalizers

so many mids to scoop....so many mids

three necks, two equalizers...

one heart

Ha, I was going to defend the Vai clip until I got to about the 4:25 mark.

holy hell, that one chord he hits on the 12-string is the worst thing ever played on a 12-string by anyone, ever.

Can't deny envying his chops at the same time.

Joe Bonamassa shits all over ZZ Top's "Just Got Paid" for 12(!) minutes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLl800ezYVY

This seriously almost made me physically ill.

vai's faces are so great, i particularly liked 3:38 - 4:00

Omg dying at vai's obnoxious facial scenes

i just spent like 5 minutes trying to come up with a succinct description of bonamassa's look. i think he looks like he should be wearing an earpiece while guarding the ramp to a luxury yacht.

http://i.imgur.com/Scv5fb6.gif

what's the general consensus in here on wank rock gods like Vai, Satriani, Malmsteen? They were really idolized by guitar magazines in the 90s. Bought 'surfing with the alien' based on how much Satriani was mentioned and gave it away after a week.

Topic: Bonamaglossary

this is something that was started back on March 11, 2004 on the fansite. Since Joe's forum now allows bring thread to the top, I've moved it here. I didn't copy every post however.
There's been some terms that folks have come up with since, please add them if you have them.
some of the previous entries lose a little meaning without the 'smilies' from the other site...
anyway

Mar 11, 04 - 6:33 PM
Bonamaglossary

hope John G. whom I believe is the one who coined the term Bonabaptism finds his way here

Bona(anything)-means its ALL good

Bonabaptism - Your first Bonamassa show, or any show if you sin alot and need to be born again

Johio - that dang blasted state that gets way too much Joe time, unless you live there and then its not enough

Joe-maha Bonabraska - where Garth and MattR live.

the Wing - if you are here, you are under it

Bonamalessons - what you learn at a show or a '03-'04 Blues in the Schools presentation

Bonaddicted - what you sick fans reading this are!!!

hey fix these and/or add your own or one you heard somewhere

Peace,
Joe's most Bonafflicted fan

well Joe is certainly using Bona-seum often on his instagram etc.
like I said its ok because its Joe but its driving me nuts. I prefer Bonamuseum or even Bonamasseum....mumble

Joe Bonamassa shits all over ZZ Top's "Just Got Paid" for 12(!) minutes:

Well, to be fair, during those twelve minutes he also shits all over Whitesnake and Zeppelin.

Bona-useum?

Bona-rrhea: the irreparable psychic damage caused by a Bonabaptism

Bona-drag: when Joe's blues jam drags on for too long, causing all concert attendees to ask, "He's not playing any more, is he?"

http://i.imgur.com/ecCtdZ7.jpg

muddy wolf

That's a lotsa-Bonamassa!

"Black Rock"?

Btw Michael Schenker slicks back his hair and kinda dresses like Bonnamassa now :(

That was at the Barnes and Noble on South Coast over by the John Wayne Airport. I just thought it was a strange sight: in a retail store where they've dialed back shelf stock to the point where the majority of sections on the CD racks are more than half empty —really the only people having more than two CDs in stock are the big names of classic rock (Beatles, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, etc.)— and amongst that, here's this totally inexplicable white blooz guitar wanker with a whole section of a rack to himself.

And, to my memory, his section at the B+N in Huntington Beach is even bigger.

this guy is like the music equivalent of a big dogs t-shirt y/n

Michael Fath, who (based on the one album I have) had amazing chops but no idea whatsoever what to do with them

The rehearsal space I go to practice at has DVDs of all these guys basically running on a loop in the rest area, so you can enjoy some blues noodlin' while you have a cup of tea between sessions.

I conclude from this that the audience for all this kind of stuff is primarily comprised of guitar teachers.

From the Huntington Beach B+N:
http://i.imgur.com/GfG1ky9.jpg

https://youtu.be/JGX5hTomOnw?t=3m48s

I'm afraid too, Steve.

STEVE VAI, RICHIE KOTZEN, NUNO BETTENCOURT, TOM MORELLO Voodoo Chile

My roommate (and one of my best friends) bought this in college and we would watch it regularly

http://i.imgur.com/1rtzXKx.jpg

― 龜, Thursday, May 15, 2014 8:35 PM (three years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

All of this stuff is on youtube now. Went down a Guy Mann-Dude rabbit hole this morning and popped up here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqoSUJwmQvE

haha the beginning sounds like he's playing random notes over a Casio preset

A lot of these guys also fall into the category of "guitarists whose names I know solely because the sound of my guitar teacher's voice pronouncing them still rings in my head. "

I had never heard Gambale before last weekend - he was all over a Chick Corea box set I had to review. He still plays like that.

jesus god look at that effin outfit

the whole thing about how if you go in one direction across the strings you need an odd number of notes and if you are going up and then back across the strings on a "lick" you need an even number of notes was very #galaxybrain

lol.

i enjoy how useless this video is on youtube, can you imagine what it was like on vhs

Lol

Gambale is the Joe Pesci of guitar nerds

Watched this doc Inside Metal: The LA Metal Scene Explodes 2, and there were guys liked Marty Friedman and Bruce Bouillet from Racer X talking about the stir caused on the Strip shredding community when Ron Keel bright Yngwie Malmsteen over to the US to be in Steeler. One anecdote recalled Dokken's George Lynch seeing one of the first Steeler gigs with Yngwie and looking visibly shaken. Everyone was running in fear of the fury!

Harvey Mandel is one of these dudes, a pioneer of two-fingered tapping, does a lot of cool things with sustain. his 70s albums are all totally righteous, though, funky bluesy exotic electric guitar instrumentals..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmDHD-jR3xU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWcyNJ_bwhc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_IGj-dTDW8

"cristo redentor" (last vid i posted) is extremely lush

he's a british dude, played with john mayall, canned heat...

this is an example of him "going off" so to speak
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24seZArkCUs

Cristo Redentor and Baby Batter were good early 2000s sample fodder. Was never into him for any other reasons.

From a press release for a guy named Angel Vivaldi, who claims to be "a guitarist, songwriter, producer, philanthropist and environmentalist."

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIgzGU0XcAA-Jff.jpg

Cristo Redentor and Baby Batter were good early 2000s sample fodder.

Nice! Yeah that intro break on baby batter had to have been sampled somewhere

i looked up angel vivaldi on youtube and i was shocked to discover his music sucks real bad

Hey now, here you are all talking about Gambale missing that he featured on this legendary thread

John Petrucci brings you...ROCK DISCIPLINE (a picture thread if the pictures can fit)

Nice! Yeah that intro break on baby batter had to have been sampled somewhere

You are very astute: http://www.whosampled.com/sample/124623/J-Live-Probe.dms-Asheru-Kick-It-to-the-Beat-Harvey-Mandel-Baby-Batter/

Also: http://www.whosampled.com/sample/19767/Pharoahe-Monch-The-Truth-Harvey-Mandel-Cristo-Redentor/

Hey Frank: I'd rather modes remain a mystery than have you teach me them

harvey mandel came out with a new record last year! it RULES. i heard about him through his work with "sugarcane" harris in pure food and drug act.

whoa, that pure food and drug act records looks sweet

s

those other guys are all over his 70s albums

dying @ that vivaldi guy doing 4th-rate satriani impressions over nu-metal

by Jay Skyler- Nicknamed The White Jimi Hendrix by Anahiem, California's Metalhead Radio, Jay is one of the 21st century's most dynamic and innovative guitarists and educators and is currently the lead vocalist and guitarist for Rock 'n' Roll Villain Society.

finally, a white Jimi Hendrix

I find that hard to believe, but if it's THE Metalhead Radio of Anaheim, California...

finally, a white Jimi Hendrix

― Thomas NAGL (Neil S), Monday, April 9, 2018 6:01 AM (forty-two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Robin Trower would like a word

He'll one-note you to the ground

You know all those "The Clash SAVED my LIFE, maaaan" pieces? Here's the chopsophiliac version

https://www.reddit.com/r/Guitar/comments/8zutxi/discussion_eric_johnson_saved_my_life/

https://popula.com/2018/08/01/a-style-of-music-played-on-the-guitar-that-pretty-much-no-one-listens-to-except-guitar-players/

Most shredding music is bad. Some bands that influenced shredding—Van Halen chief among them—are often very good. But when unaccompanied by a singer or other instrumentation, shredding usually sucks. Just think of Van Halen without David Lee Roth.

Guitar music exclusively for guitar players is probably prefigured by Jeff Beck’s mid-seventies albums Blow by Blow and Wired, which are legitimately good, and started in earnest a decade later by Joe Satriani and his student Steve Vai.

https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/38285397_10214939781842332_2840689127601471488_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=68bea23787d3d3693b693041333772e6&oe=5BD74474

Shot of Yngwie's current touring rig (via a Gear Page thread from yesterday).

lmao

Guessing/hoping all or most of those heads and cabs are dummies and there's actually a Kemper rack somewhere going direct.

also i think steve vai is in on the joke and pretty good sometimes

I AM intrigued by the idea of a guitar pre-placed in front of the cone for feedback on demand. I don't know what sort of switching regime would make it musically useful though.

Guessing/hoping all or most of those heads and cabs are dummies and there's actually a Kemper rack somewhere going direct.

― devil's avocado (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, August 3, 2018 11:40 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

hah same

i had these cassette tapes (not the vhs) of Rudy Sarzo bass master class

this stuff was so great to make a little kid who could barely play try all this fancy bullshit lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRUCm6Ca4z0

somehow i knew there was gonna be tapping in that video

Saw Harvey Mandel live last weekend. Dude shredded. Tap master. Tremolo whiz

i heart rudy

sad all those youtubes are broken upthread :(

Vinnie Vincent - Metal Tech

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEyYGNX_TP4

I love metal as much as the next cerebral middle aged hipster, but that shit is just so amusical I can’t understand what the devotees get from it apart from dexterity awe

Vinnie in the Invasion era had a super wild style, almost atonal

The shredder thing kind of fascinates me, just as a musical/culture thing

Vinnie in the Invasion era had a super wild style, almost atonal

Yeah, if you got rid of the screeching vocals and whatnot you could pretty much draw a straight line between what he was doing and what Vernon Reid (post-Ronald Shannon Jackson's Decoding Society, pre-Living Colour) was doing at the Knitting Factory or the Kitchen.

guitar solos are fun to listen to

What song evidences this wild style?

aww, now i'm bummed that all the 'tubes are gone too. iirc, this one led to an absolutely baffling allan holdsworth "jazz" performance:

what kind of music is this even?

― dollar rave club (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, May 15, 2014 8:32 PM (four years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Does anyone ever compare them with The Replacements? There is some overlap in acknowledged influences, in particular as seen in the mixing Kiss and Partridge Family covers, but to me the RK versions of this material seem to be more competent, inspired and affectionate. Of course maybe I just finally got sick and tired of The ‘Mats after reading that bio Ned recommended.

Ha wrong thread 🧵

Well Bob was not averse to semi atonal shredding at times

Right, exactly

Calstars - the solos on Boyz Are Gonna Rock are apeshit

Oh shit! V V just shredded my eardrums. Awesome

(Also appreciated the notes the vocalist was hitting, sounds a little like a castrated Steve Perry )

The singer used be in Journey, btw (Robert Fleischman).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1hxZyD9VGI

On a day trip w/the family. My sister's turn at the CD player, and it's this Eric Johnson album from ten years ago that sounds like it could be thirty or twenty years ago, or from tomorrow, or ten years in the future. Dude's like the Ramones or Motorhead, stylistic consistency-wise, of guitar mag shredders.

Man, there's a Country song on here, kind of a Buckaroos hoedown.

Guitar for the Shredding Musician

Surely the king of cheesy shredding is the bewigged double neck playing Michael Angelo Batio

https://youtu.be/uJ6oABxbSaM

Ugh. Clicked but then I didn’t click. Image was enough for me.

https://youtube.com/uJ6oABxbSaM

Aggh. Can't embed from this tablet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJ6oABxbSaM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOmoUXHgePs

How does his version of “Freight Train” stack up next to Elizabeth Cotten’s?

Haha

elizabeth cotten's freight train has this prescient and very human sensitivity in lyric and performance that is all the more heartbreaking knowing she wrote it when she was 13. the videos of her performing it as an elderly woman with the crowd joining in to sing bring me close to tears just thinking about them. batio though has a four necked guitar that he spins and he taps out bitchin licks though. tie

Otm

B-b-but what about their respective versions of “Shake Sugaree”?

I get it too Eddie. But part of being a total musician is embracing all music and diving down the musical rabbit holes. I’ve listened to BB King to EVH to Frank Sinatra and back. I was 17 too but I knew Ron Wood played bass with the Jeff Beck Group. https://t.co/bSD1NshzWg

— Joe Bonamassa (Official) (@JBONAMASSA) December 3, 2019

I bet he knew "I've Got My Own Album to Do" back-to-front at 17 too.

pls to post on this, ilx's premier dedicated joe bonamassa fan thread

OFFICAL ILX JOE BONAMASSA CELEBRATION THREAD

Oh thanks, I forgot that that glorious tribute existed.

Been listening to Plini a lot lately, who I gather is one of these guys for the 2010s. Just these epic proggy fusion shredfests with a basis in math-rock and post-rock and are really well-composed (i.e. I rarely feel like my interest is waning).

To be honest, I haven't actually listened to a lot of the guitarists listed in this thread, so maybe this is more my thing than I have previously thought. For example as a kid I know that I liked Steve Vai with David Lee Roth, but got bored pretty quickly when I listened to Passion & Warfare. I probably should go back and relisten so I can figure out if I need to buy a headless fanned-fret guitar or something pointy with a floyd rose

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvN7Af40Wi4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aquJicmrjJE

Steve Vai — "Teeth of the Hydra" (2022)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46qjDJ0lLdE

Didn't know where else to post, but needs to be documented because that is some ridiculous nonsense. Just, what?!

:D

Lol that popped up on my YouTube feed the other day. Have you seen the bad deepfake Satriani cover?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13c0WULP1Ik

Disappointed in the lack of flames shooting out from behind Vai in that video.

I feel like Tosin Abasi is one of the contemporary equivalents of these guys - monstrous guitarist, but I cannot bring myself to listen to his music

Is it okay for me to laugh uncontrollably at, like, all of these guys?

I mean they're obviously really good, but c'mon.

Oh man, in the Vai video, 4:33 in ( when there could be silence…) he does this little sitar fill on the fretless part of the top neck… actual LoL.

Wonder if he can bang out the Third Man theme on the zither part?

Hard to imagine a more Steve vai video

I feel like Tosin Abasi is one of the contemporary equivalents of these guys - monstrous guitarist, but I cannot bring myself to listen to his music

Yeah, shred v much alive and well. Guthrie Govan is my younger cousin's fave.

Sarah Longfield is by far my favourite artist connected to the contemporary YouTube shred scene. She's a multi-instrumentalist/composer from Wisconsin who integrates two-handed 8-string tapping into pretty electro-prog songs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UL5q_MEg3RQ

The Vai thing is cool tbh. More like Jeff Beck than Yngwie.

Austin is correct. You can kinda admire the craft but there is no fuckin way I will like sit down and LISTEN to this as if it were music.

Any more than I would, like, watch Olympic pole vaulting. Yes, you're skilled. Good for you.

But no, I don't care about this activity, so I won't spend my limited leisure time consuming recordings of it.

Would 100% prefer to hear the Eagles or Billy Joel or Phil Collins or whatever, for the thousandth time, than check out an allegedly "amazing" guitar player who is very skilled but who has yet to elicit emotions from someone other than guitar nerds, thxbye

Any more than I would, like, watch Olympic pole vaulting. Yes, you're skilled. Good for you.

I mean, call me back if Steve Vai puts on a cute little pair of shorts and starts flying through the air.

Oh cool Sund4r, I haven't watched any of her stuff but I think she lives in my town and is friends with some friends.

Re: Vai, he's not even triggering the drum parts with his feet, lame.

I feel like Tosin Abasi is one of the contemporary equivalents of these guys - monstrous guitarist, but I cannot bring myself to listen to his music
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, April 5, 2022 9:39 PM (two days ago)

A few years ago, I went to see Buke & Gase at a venue in Minneapolis called the Skyway, and one of the opening acts was Animals As Leaders (who I got really into after seeing live). After the show, my first thought was “This was a show totally curated for this very thread! Too bad we no longer have the music media landscape of the 90s.”

I’m imagining Guitar World giving us a 2-page photo essay featuring the Aron(e)’s titular buke and gase, with Wolf Marshall explaining how he had to invent the nomenclature to describe the transcription of the 'gase' part for “No Land”; then after a brief article by whomever would function as today's version of John Petrucci (I dont know, maybe HH Hendrix from Liturgy?), we’d find a double-interview feature where Deafheaven's Kerry McCoy and H.E.R. get all anarchic with Animals as Leaders’ string-savants* Tosin and Javier Reyes.

*Actual term used in a review of a Dream Theater album!

https://www.guitarworld.com/tag/tosin-abasi

https://www.guitarworld.com/author/tosin-abasi

The way you know a wanky shredder has made it these days is that they have their own NeuralDSP guitar modeling plugin

https://neuraldsp.com/plugins/archetype-abasi
https://neuraldsp.com/plugins/archetype-plini

https://www.guitarworld.com/tag/tosin-abasi

https://www.guitarworld.com/author/tosin-abasi

― And liberty she pirouette (Sund4r), Thursday, April 7, 2022 7:32 PM (one hour ago)

HOLY APEIROPHOBIA!

The Vai thing is cool tbh. More like Jeff Beck than Yngwie.

― And liberty she pirouette (Sund4r), Wednesday, April 6, 2022 1:52 PM (two days ago) bookmarkflaglink

i legit enjoyed the vai video haha, it is pretty cool! i know nothing about guitarists or shred but i mean it's just so baroque in its dweebiness, and vai is 61 years old!!!! what's not to love lol.

i guess that guitar must miraculously not be that heavy because otherwise i'm not sure how his back could handle it

and vai is 61 years old!!!! what's not to love lol.

― the cat needs to start paying for its own cbd (map), Thursday, April 7, 2022 7:17 PM

HE DOES JAZZ HANDS MULTIPLE TIMES

Yeah if these guys are gonna do this stuff they might as well lean into the ridiculousness and make it fun, not that's it's gonna, y'know, sound any better

Occasionally if I go down a bit of a gearhead wormhole on youtube I start getting recommendations for this Ichika Nito/Tim Henson type shit which is I guess the millennial evolution of this stuff, lots of clever harmonics and insanely skilful jumping around the fretboard, but also completely joyless and pedantic

lean into the ridiculousness and make it fun

Unfortunately, for many technically-skilled musicians this translates as "ape Zappa".

Animals as Leaders is totally Dream Theater for the youtube generation, I hate it

its unlistenable

Anyone else think Vai looks kinda like Corey Feldman in that clip?

I tried listening to a bunch of these albums. Honestly I would like a lot of them if the drums sounded better. I really wanted this one to be good:

https://i.discogs.com/u_oRG-VzAZvbBDLLAtnJaWbLazRtojbrG6odVYroUQ4/rs:fit/g:sm/q:90/h:600/w:600/czM6Ly9kaXNjb2dz/LWRhdGFiYXNlLWlt/YWdlcy9SLTE3MjEy/ODYtMTQ2NzEyMzIw/My05MzQxLmpwZWc.jpeg

I remember that one, damn

They would have way more strings now

Yeah, my friend's family's record store stocked that one when I was in high school.

Their second one sounds marginally better. I loved that all that Shrapnel records stuff in the nineties when I was fifteen and a young aspiring metal guitar player. Anyone remember Greg Howe? He went the fusion way and is still pretty active. His album Tilt, which he made with Ritchie Kotzen who by then was also trying to get away from just shredding, features some insane soloing if you're into the ten thousand notes per second thing - which I kind of still am.

One lesser talked about but also very revered in shred guitar circles is the album Truth in Shredding by Frank Gambale, Brett Garsed and Shawn Lane (the most shreddy of all shredders).

I know way too much about this stuff.

The "lean into it and make it fun" schtick can descend into bacon territory pretty quickly, although I have a soft spot for Batio.

Speaking of Kotzen, I was just checking out The Winery Dogs, which is his trio with Billy Sheehan and Mike Portnoy. The downsides are the godawful band name, the trips into blues-rock territory. Kotzen's vocals - which waver between budget Chris Cornell and Sammy Hagar - could be better sometimes, could be worse. But I think their hard rock numbers are pretty fun, and use their combined virtuosities to complement the songs. Serviceable hard rock with pyrotechnics for flavor.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SoTgZjokLU

lol at the slow mo shred shot at 1:37.

honestly i enjoy that song more than anything on the last mastodon album lol

dat bass face @ 1:21

haha wow, you're not kidding re: cornell aping.

that is like, recognizable as a song though. it has parts and a melody and generally makes sense.

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51CdjpPYIFL._UXNaN_FMjpg_QL85_.jpg

Next level

"Can you show me on the doll where rock touched you?"