A Good Day In Hell - The Official ILM Track-By-Track EAGLES Listening Thread

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one day and one track at a time. in honor of Joe Walsh. we can do this, people. and may God have mercy on our souls.

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scott seward, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 13:31 (three years ago) Permalink

here we go...

scott seward, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 13:31 (three years ago) Permalink

in the wild...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XByaqHhBFqE

scott seward, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 13:35 (three years ago) Permalink

I won't participate unless Ned does.

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 13:39 (three years ago) Permalink

it's the soft rock shot heard 'round the world. and the world would never be the same. browne/frey at their most browne/frey. plus, banjos.

scott seward, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 13:40 (three years ago) Permalink

Something I like about this song: In the last verse, there's a single substitution of an Am where a C has appeared in all the other verses. It's also supported in the vocal harmonies and is unexpectedly sweet-sounding.

Here's the storify, of a lovely ladify (Phil D.), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 13:43 (three years ago) Permalink

it is, in a lot of ways, dumbed down byrds. musically. except for the demented banjos in the background. the vocals are so slow and deliberate and clear its almost as if they were hoping that it would catch on with children. bubblegum country rock? a lot of countru and southern rock from 1970 to 1972 was seriously dusty or backwoods or blues-based or a hippie homage to old bluegrass heroes. this totally cleans all the dust off. but, obviously, this is the genius. simple, direct, and catchy as hell. it was a song designed to be played 4000 times in a row.

scott seward, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 13:53 (three years ago) Permalink

As I've said in other Eagles threads, this song exists in the impenetrable part of my mind labeled CHILDHOOD so is kinda untouchable on critical grounds. It came out when I was two-and-a-half years old, and my family was stationed at an Air Force Base in the middle of the Arizona desert. I probably DID hear it 4000x in a row, with my family driving down desert roads with open windows. It was literally created to be the soundtrack for exactly the world I inhabited at that time.

Here's the storify, of a lovely ladify (Phil D.), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 13:56 (three years ago) Permalink

also think its such an appropriate start. and a true test for the cranky. if you can control the desire to feel superior to this song then you are on the path to sainthood. this song is exactly what people hated about this band early on. it is the Urtext of eaglesdom.

scott seward, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 13:59 (three years ago) Permalink

When I listened to this song (and this album) the other day, after not having heard the song for years (I don't listen to the radio, like, ever), I was kinda shocked by the banjos. Somehow, they'd never really registered when I heard the song as a kid. Which is weird, because if there's a sound in the world guaranteed to appeal to small children, it would probably be the banjo. I mean, it's the closest thing traditional musical instruments have to that cartoon "sproinggg" sound!

誤訳侮辱, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 14:00 (three years ago) Permalink

MUSICIAN: Kootch, what was your feeling hearing Don and the Eagles' early stuff?

KORTCHMAR: I'll ell you exactly what my feeling was. When the Eagles first came out, I thought they were absolutely appalling. I couldn't stand them. Absolutely terrible. Especially things like "Peaceful Easy Feeling" and "Take It Easy."'Cause what they were saying was exactly the opposite of what I wanted to hear, what was going on in my life. Take Jackson's "Peaceful Easy Feeling": here's this song that says "walking down the road in Tucson, Arizona, seven women on my mind." (sic) And here I am trying to keep my marriage together, and this guy's got seven women on his mind! God, it sounded like they were having fun, but I sure wasn't (laughter).


http://alumnus.caltech.edu/~markowit/interviews/dh/musician/both.jpg

scott seward, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 14:02 (three years ago) Permalink

as with most Jackson Browne covers this sucks some balls compared to the original. yes that includes you Nico, fuck you.

also Kortchmar is misquoting there, obviously.

Jamie_ATP, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 14:05 (three years ago) Permalink

There are definitely better Eagles songs. This is pretty wimpy stuff.

Pretty cool to see them on the California Jam stage in that clip from the very camera that Ritchie Blackmore would destroy only a few hours later.

One Way Ticket on the 1277 Express (Bill Magill), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 15:04 (three years ago) Permalink

it should be noted that this is a standard country and bluegrass song to cover. thousands of country and bluegrass performers have covered this song over the years.

scott seward, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 15:12 (three years ago) Permalink

On A Dark Desert Highway: A Vocal Bluegrass Tribute to the Eagles offers heartfelt versions of the band’s greatest songs with soaring harmonies and delightful pickin’ on the banjo, mandolin, dobro and guitar. You won’t believe how beautiful these songs sound in the hands (and throats) of some of the best Bluegrass musicians in the business. If the Eagles had settled in W. Virginia instead of California, this is how their music would have sounded!

http://www.cmhrecords.com/web/images/products/8917_lrg.jpg

scott seward, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 15:17 (three years ago) Permalink

do you think that jackson browne oould live off of "take it easy" royalties? not that he has to. but if he had to. i'm going to say yes.

i have a friend whose father wrote a famous song - in the 40's! - and i was kinda impressed by how much money it made the family in a year. not enough to live on, but not nothing either. its a very famous song.

scott seward, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 15:23 (three years ago) Permalink

"loosen my load" is such a gross-sounding phrase

what's up ugly girls? (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 16:06 (three years ago) Permalink

Oh man, I never even thought of the sexual connotation there before.

cops on horse (WilliamC), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 16:07 (three years ago) Permalink

the only thing i have to say in favor of the eagles is that at least they were kinda pleasantly sleazy

no fomo (La Lechera), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 16:10 (three years ago) Permalink

just a ragtag band of misfits...

scott seward, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 16:15 (three years ago) Permalink

yeah everything about this song is gross, which is compounded by its expert execution. no doubt dudes could harmonize, but not well enough to make me overlook the material or sentiments expressed.... I can think of other harmony or country acts whose singing is so beautiful and intense that it creates a compelling contrast with otherwise bothersome lyrical content, this tension becomes part of the appeal. But the Eagles are not the Louvin Brothers or the Beach Boys. They aren't weird or damaged or desperate enough, nor are they beatific or angelic enough, they're just gross.

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what's up ugly girls? (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 16:19 (three years ago) Permalink

at least they weren't trying to sell us abstinence like the malevolent mumford banjo mafia

no fomo (La Lechera), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 16:23 (three years ago) Permalink

• I have the best memory of a buddy finally going insane at two in the morning during a poker game when "Take It Easy" comes on and he can't stop laughing over "running down the road, tryin' to loosen my load."

• Rich Hall has this chapter in his Vanishing America about going to Winslow, Ariz., and waiting for a girl in a flatbed Ford to slow down and take a look at him. He gets a ride with her and asks about Jackson Browne. "Kinda quiet," she says and he replies, yeah, that's what he's heard too.

• I'm sure I'll get into it later, but background vocals on Eagles songs scare the shit out of me.

pplains, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 16:29 (three years ago) Permalink

Ok, I think I'm gonna lose my shit about "loosen my load" now.

how's life, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 16:31 (three years ago) Permalink

everything about the arrangement is so uptight, SOMETHING'S gotta get loosened amirite

what's up ugly girls? (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 16:33 (three years ago) Permalink

I imagine a constipated Yosemite Sam running through Roadrunner territory.

pplains, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 16:36 (three years ago) Permalink

Mumford does not take it easy, which sort of makes them worse. The Eagles were hilariously smug and arrogant making lite music. Mumford delivers its music with that annoying faux gravitas, as if it was Important. I'm sure the Eagles though they were Important, too, but only after enough people told them they were, and that probably only came after they were hugely successful and everyone around them was too afraid to say otherwise. "Wow, guys, 'Hotel California' really is like holding up a mirror to America. Like you said, it's about the American dream, but also the American nightmare!"

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 16:36 (three years ago) Permalink

Song does nothing for me, and never did. Really, the Doobies' "Listen To The Music" is my own personal substitute for "Take It Easy" (not only banjo, it's got steel drums too!) for that 1972 west coast highway-driving feel.

The phrase "There's a girl, my lord, in a flatbed Ford" does sing nice.

Sir Lord Baltimora (Myonga Vön Bontee), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 16:55 (three years ago) Permalink

I won't participate unless Ned does.

I am avoiding this shit like the plague. Aside from this post, obv.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 16:56 (three years ago) Permalink

All right, everyone. Ned's in.

pplains, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 17:06 (three years ago) Permalink

Being from California, these are the songs of your people, correct?

pplains, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 17:06 (three years ago) Permalink

Only Eagle actually from California was Timothy Schmit.

how's life, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 17:09 (three years ago) Permalink

Listen, this isn't the place to start on any of your anti-immigrant rhetoric.

pplains, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 17:11 (three years ago) Permalink

Being from California, these are the songs of your people, correct?

I take great umbrage at this suggestion, good sir

what's up ugly girls? (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 17:16 (three years ago) Permalink

Sorry to get all Soft Rock Civil Defense Corps on you.

how's life, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 17:17 (three years ago) Permalink

All native Californians are from Iowa iirc

Sir Lord Baltimora (Myonga Vön Bontee), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 17:25 (three years ago) Permalink

"Listen To The Music" is my own personal substitute for "Take It Easy"

i love "listen to the music" to death. its an amazing song when all is sad and done. and the production is arguably just as tightassed as eagles but somehow it opens up into a field of infinite possibilities by the time you get to the psych break where the lazy flowing river does something to the castles in the sky.

scott seward, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 17:28 (three years ago) Permalink

lighten up while you still can

reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 17:30 (three years ago) Permalink

apparently frey came up with the flatbed ford line.

http://memimage.cardomain.com/ride_images/1/2179/3261/5446630016_large.jpg

scott seward, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 17:34 (three years ago) Permalink

oh fuck, where is my statues thread.

http://maxmccoy.com/blog/uploaded_images/IMG_0174-769036.jpg

pplains, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 17:37 (three years ago) Permalink

Take It Easy is unfuckwithable; tight structure, sweet harmonising, singalong up to your eyeballs. Was this their first song? What pros.

Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 17:38 (three years ago) Permalink

lol @ the reflection

Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 17:39 (three years ago) Permalink

take it easy is ok

but it is sort of impressive, as far as "first song on first album totally defining the aesthetic of the band"

right up there with "black sabbath"/black sabbath/black sabbath

usic for 18 magicians (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 17:41 (three years ago) Permalink

I feel like the first two missing panels of this cartoon involved Mr. Magoo somehow.

http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/9619/hs56.jpg

pplains, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 17:42 (three years ago) Permalink

What's going on in those upstairs windows?

Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 17:44 (three years ago) Permalink

Well, when two trompe l'oeil figures love each other very much . . .

Domo Arigato, Demi Lovato (Phil D.), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 17:48 (three years ago) Permalink

"it's a girl my lord, in a flatbed Ford, slowin' down to take a look at me" is the only contribution Frey made to the song. Save for that one line, the song is written by Jackson Browne whose own version of the song I prefer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMA3lIeqV8M

Lee626, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 18:48 (three years ago) Permalink

Of course Frey would write the line that makes him look like Paul Newman.

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 18:52 (three years ago) Permalink

I'm curious about the exact nature of the relationships with those seven women, particularly the one who says she's a friend. Why is that was enough distinction to call her out specifically? Did most of the women he knew not want to be mistaken for being friends with him?

Lee626, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 19:13 (three years ago) Permalink

those ringing opening electric guitar chords that open the song -- and, I guess, their career -- make it sound like something epic is about to happen. but it turns out the laid-back acoustic strum underneath them is what you were supposed to have been listening to.

fact checking cuz, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 19:15 (three years ago) Permalink

The Eagles - and especially "Take It Easy" and "Hotel California" - have been so ubiquitous for so long that I'm wondering where and when most of us actually formulated any kind of a critical stance on the group. I was born in late 1982 and they were always kinda just there; I imagine the experience would be much the same for anyone born in America after 1970 or so. IME it's harder to be objective about music you grew up with. So if you hate the Eagles, did you hate "Take It Easy" when you were 5? Or did you grow to hate them later on? I think I always liked that song because it was big and clean and catchy and had good harmonies. I could say much the same for their other hits. By the time I got old enough to think about the smug misogyny of the lyrics and the greedy picks behind them, the Eagles were too much a part of my aural landscape to hate. And even so, I never once felt compelled to buy an album. The radio was enough.

For a contrast, I hated James Taylor for as long as I can remember. I think I could sense the waves of smarm and unctuousness dripping from his voice when I was in grade school.

One interesting thing about "Take It Easy" is that it never even made the top 10 of the charts - it only reached #12. Yet over time it's probably gotten more radio play than 95% of all the #1 hits in history - including a couple of the group's own chart toppers. It's so immaculately produced and finely-crafted - slicker and fuller than probably anything else of its era - that it's always an up, and I never change the station when it's on, yet it's also bland and shallow enough that I never seek it out otherwise. That kind of sums up their appeal and their shortcomings - easy to like, hard to really care about.

thewufs, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 19:15 (three years ago) Permalink

"picks" = "pricks"

thewufs, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 19:16 (three years ago) Permalink

I thought the implication was that the singer is being friendzoned by that one.

Ismael OTM and I don't really back down from my earlier comment about how this song illuminates much of what came later in lighter modern rock and new country.

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EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 19:18 (three years ago) Permalink

I thought it meant he wasn't interested in sleeping with that particular one of the seven.
The Eagles have always been there. I don't have a critical stance on them beyond always hating them.

no fomo (La Lechera), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 19:24 (three years ago) Permalink

Opening chimey guitar chords remind me that Rickenbacker made a Glenn Frey signature model, because his tone and approach were obviously so unique and distinctive that they could only be replicated by ugh ugh ugh seriously fuck Glenn Frey:
http://www.rickenbacker.com/news_item.asp?news_id=34&news=old

Shart Week (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 19:27 (three years ago) Permalink

To clarify - I didn't hate their music (which is generally light and innocuous) so much as them personally. They have always seemed like a bunch of entitled jerks.

no fomo (La Lechera), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 19:29 (three years ago) Permalink

I think Eagles hate has to be learned. It's part of that adolescent thing where you decide that some things are too pretty, too perfect, too good, that you'd rather listen to something that sounds fucked-up and noisy/distorted because it's more real, man. Also that if your mom likes it, it's to be shoved away with all your strength. My mom liked the Eagles a lot, I think. But somehow I never learned to hate them.

誤訳侮辱, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 19:30 (three years ago) Permalink

I thought the implication was that the singer is being friendzoned by that one.

I always heard this as meaning that they were whilom lovers but they weren't ever going to be much else.

Fais ce que voudra, occiderai de même (Michael White), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 19:32 (three years ago) Permalink

I thought it meant he wasn't interested in sleeping with that particular one of the seven.

But SHE'S the one who says she's a friend of his! Plus, it's totally funnier my way.

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EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 19:33 (three years ago) Permalink

Like, he sets you up with the "seven women on [his] mind" thing but they're all either pissed off at him or blowing him off.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 19:34 (three years ago) Permalink

Well, or they want something serious.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 19:34 (three years ago) Permalink

my parents were not Eagles fans, I don't remember hearing them at all as a kid really. at some point in high school/college there were conversations about what "Hotel California" *really* was about (see also Don McLean's "American Pie", Zep's "Stairway to Heaven" etc) and def by the time I was in college I was aware of the ubiquity of their Greatest Hits but by then there was really nothing in their music to appeal to me. and over time as I've learned more about them and listened to my wife's copies of their albums they just get under my skin.

Disco Strangler cracks me up tho. one of the times where they get close to so-bad-its-good camp. everything about that song is wrong.

what's up ugly girls? (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 19:35 (three years ago) Permalink

I always think of the Eagles as the kind of music that you are forced to listen to while driving through some infernally hot and dusty place and that your mother made the error of loving after having loved all that cool shit in the 60's. I can't really hate them 'cause they're so easy to ignore but God have mercy on your soul if you're at a summer bbq and someone puts them on.

Fais ce que voudra, occiderai de même (Michael White), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 19:35 (three years ago) Permalink

Growing up, all I saw of the Eagles was constant radio airplay, endless stream of solo records, bazillion dollar tours, and they never seemed very down to earth/human at all. My parents didn't like them either. I was also really righteous about my dislike of money grubbing rich people.

no fomo (La Lechera), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 19:38 (three years ago) Permalink

Since there seemed to be a sexual past between him and the own me/stone me women but not the "friend of mine," my barely-formed guess has always been that they were drug buddies. "We're not balling or anything, I'm just along because he/she knows where to score."

cops on horse (WilliamC), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 19:40 (three years ago) Permalink

One interesting thing about "Take It Easy" is that it never even made the top 10 of the charts - it only reached #12

"Listen To The Music" was #11. In your FACE, Browne!

Sir Lord Baltimora (Myonga Vön Bontee), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 19:43 (three years ago) Permalink

I think Eagles hate has to be learned. It's part of that adolescent thing where you decide that some things are too pretty, too perfect, too good, that you'd rather listen to something that sounds fucked-up and noisy/distorted because it's more real, man. Also that if your mom likes it, it's to be shoved away with all your strength. My mom liked the Eagles a lot, I think. But somehow I never learned to hate them.

― 誤訳侮辱, Tuesday, August 20, 2013 2:30 PM (30 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ha this is almost as much a cliche now as hating the eagles for being too "smooth" or "corporate"

usic for 18 magicians (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 20:01 (three years ago) Permalink

best pics of the ozark fest. nsfw:

http://masmasmaraksi.blogspot.com/2012/05/ozark-music-festival.html

scott seward, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 20:06 (three years ago) Permalink

and some more:

https://sites.google.com/site/rodsievers/ozarkmusicfestival

scott seward, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 20:10 (three years ago) Permalink

Gotta say, that's a lot more ass than what I was expecting from Sedalia, Mo.

pplains, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 20:12 (three years ago) Permalink

It is the show me state.

EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 20:16 (three years ago) Permalink

i can remember wanting to go see eagles and linda ronstadt at the yale bowl when i was kid. my dad wouldn't take me. little river band opening, i think.

scott seward, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 20:18 (three years ago) Permalink

damn i set myself up for that

pplains, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 20:18 (three years ago) Permalink

Yup.

Thanks!

EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 20:22 (three years ago) Permalink

I thought it meant he wasn't interested in sleeping with that particular one of the seven.

― no fomo (La Lechera), Tuesday, August 20, 2013 3:24 PM (55 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

My take is that it was the other way around. But, yeah, none of those seven women seem to have him on their mind, at least not in any good way.

Lee626, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 20:31 (three years ago) Permalink

As far as childhood memories, I completely intertwine Eagles and Steve Miller Band because this concert came to town the week of my eighth birthday, when I was listening to top-40 radio all the time. Not only are those two bands intertwined, but the third on the bill, Pablo Cruise, is there as well. Must've heard the show advertised on the radio enough times for it to be branded into my head.

only dogg forgives (Eazy), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 20:40 (three years ago) Permalink

- she *says* she's a friend of his. So it could be like she's all made 'wtf you're sleeping with six other chicks I THOUGHT WE WERE FRIENDS' ...or she's just rolled up to his house trying to weasel her way in with some line like she's an old friend of his

- the banjo is insane. like in a kooky way. as though bernie leadon was pissed off and just said 'fuck you frey I'm playing the banjo the whole way through and there's nothing you can do to stop me'

- I always wonder what if Frey had just stolen Jackson Browne's songs outright while he was living upstairs from him

- take it easy man

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 20:43 (three years ago) Permalink

made = mad

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 20:43 (three years ago) Permalink

the structure and tempo of this song are kind of cool. the chords keep zipping along, and the chorus never really repeats from one occurrence to the next. the first time through it's "lighten up while you still can," the next time through they say "come on baby" instead of "take it easy," and the third time through he has to know if your sweet love is gonna save him. minor chords popping up all over the place. keeps you on your toes.

Thus Sang Freud, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 20:44 (three years ago) Permalink

Something I like about this song: In the last verse, there's a single substitution of an Am where a C has appeared in all the other verses. It's also supported in the vocal harmonies and is unexpectedly sweet-sounding.

― Here's the storify, of a lovely ladify (Phil D.), Tuesday, August 20, 2013 9:43 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

never noticed this, nice catch

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 20:47 (three years ago) Permalink

Michael Vick was just named the starting quarterback for the Eagles in the coming season. felt like i should note that here.

scott seward, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 20:51 (three years ago) Permalink

Eagles [Asylum, 1972]
These guys certainly boogie more than the bluegrass sellouts who populate the vaguely country-oriented mainstream of contemporary American rock, and they certainly write more memorable songs. But this culminates the reactionary individualism that country-rock has come to epitomize in the counterculture. What's worse, the country orientation bespeaks not roots but a lack of them, so that in the end the product is suave and synthetic--brilliant, but false. And not always all that brilliant, either. B

scott seward, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 20:53 (three years ago) Permalink

The B-side is kinda the reverse of the A-side -- bummed-out dude getting no action.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cBuNuXFSz8

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 20:54 (three years ago) Permalink

the country orientation bespeaks not roots but a lack of them, so that in the end the product is suave and synthetic

This echoes a lot of the discussion in the Mumford/Lumineers threads -- except maybe the suave part.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 20:55 (three years ago) Permalink

"The B-side is kinda the reverse of the A-side -- bummed-out dude getting no action."

dude, no spoilers! haha, just kidding, but for real we will get to it!

scott seward, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 21:03 (three years ago) Permalink

that's the whole "track-by-track" part in the thread title.

scott seward, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 21:03 (three years ago) Permalink

right now i'm like a newborn baby, there is only one eagles song, it is my universe, my everything

usic for 18 magicians (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 21:10 (three years ago) Permalink

That's a typically painful and tone-deaf review from the "Dean" up there.

One Way Ticket on the 1277 Express (Bill Magill), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 21:20 (three years ago) Permalink

Most of the rest of this year, we're going to be listening to The Eagles everyday.

Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 21:22 (three years ago) Permalink

at the end of the year, we'll all get shiny cyanide capsules we can bite down on

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 21:26 (three years ago) Permalink

right now i'm like a newborn baby, there is only one eagles song, it is my universe, my everything

― usic for 18 magicians (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, August 20, 2013 5:10 PM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 21:26 (three years ago) Permalink

dude, no spoilers! haha, just kidding, but for real we will get to it!

Sorry! I guess I should've just ... taken it easy.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 21:27 (three years ago) Permalink

you can't rush these things.

scott seward, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 21:29 (three years ago) Permalink

loosen yr load, dude

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 21:30 (three years ago) Permalink

actually wait, don't.

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 21:30 (three years ago) Permalink

the good news is that after today, we will never be here again.

pplains, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 21:30 (three years ago) Permalink

just loosened my load fyi, everybody

i am.. a maven (Matt P), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 21:31 (three years ago) Permalink

a girl in every port, an eagles song on every day

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 21:31 (three years ago) Permalink

xpost henley probably has a cigar box you can use

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 21:32 (three years ago) Permalink

at the end of the year, we'll all get shiny cyanide capsules we can bite down on

i'll take mine now, please.

fact checking cuz, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 21:32 (three years ago) Permalink

(actually, this thread idea is genius.)

fact checking cuz, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 21:33 (three years ago) Permalink

(but i'd like a glass of water, just in case.)

fact checking cuz, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 21:34 (three years ago) Permalink

check out any time you like, cuz.

pplains, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 21:39 (three years ago) Permalink

wow check the Wiki page about the Ozark Music Festival - i've never seen so many "citation needed"s on one page. Seems like good times, except for the water shortage. Was the Marshall Tucker Band really considered a bigger draw than Bruce Springsteen or Lynyrd Skynyrd in 1974? (Bruce apparently didn't make the show)

Lee626, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 21:42 (three years ago) Permalink

It's a good format for a thread, but I'd expect ilx to do this first for a band it likes a lot more. I feel like we are being drawn to The Eagles like a dog is drawn to a rotting carcass.

29 facepalms, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 21:45 (three years ago) Permalink

ILM kinda does this with its readers polls, counting down to the most favorite song.

But with the Eagles, I don't think anyone wants to be caught casting that ballot.

pplains, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 21:46 (three years ago) Permalink

Sure, though this way we talk about *every* song? I suppose we can enjoy working ourselves into an ecstasy of disgust.

29 facepalms, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 21:49 (three years ago) Permalink

I was watching a punk documentary tonight and they showed a big blow-up of the Jubilee chart with a big white box at no.1 where The Sex Pistols should've been. There at no.2, top of the charts by default, rides Hotel California.

Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 21:52 (three years ago) Permalink

the morbidity of this project has a joan didion-reckoning-with-california vibe i dig

i am.. a maven (Matt P), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 21:53 (three years ago) Permalink

Well, at least this thread got "What's Up" out of my head.

only dogg forgives (Eazy), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 21:56 (three years ago) Permalink

was either this or a bullet.

pplains, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 21:59 (three years ago) Permalink

by the end of this thread we will all have had either a divorce, rehab, lawsuit and/or ridden in a corvette with a drug dealer. and released at least 1 solo album.

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 22:00 (three years ago) Permalink

Forget it Veg, it's Freytown!

Uncle Cyril O'Boogie (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 22:02 (three years ago) Permalink

I'm looking forward to meeting Stevie!

http://www.clipartof.com/images/emoticons/xsmall2/650_crazy_eyebrows.gif

pplains, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 22:03 (three years ago) Permalink

I'm not sure I ever knew about the Ozark Mountain Festival. This is kinda blowing my mind:

Posters for the festival announced that some of the best bands in country and southern rock would be performing, including:

Bachman–Turner Overdrive
Aerosmith
Premiata Forneria Marconi

Same old bland-as-sand mood mouthings (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 22:04 (three years ago) Permalink

woah

usic for 18 magicians (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 22:08 (three years ago) Permalink

FUCK THE SINGLES!! I WANT DEEP ALBUM CUTS!!

I'll take the jangle-jangle over the throb-throb (brg30), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 22:20 (three years ago) Permalink

dude, just..
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i am.. a maven (Matt P), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 22:30 (three years ago) Permalink

take it easy!

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 22:33 (three years ago) Permalink

i think we're gonna do it all in order right?

usic for 18 magicians (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 22:34 (three years ago) Permalink

Will someone call me back when it's time to take it to the limit?

no fomo (La Lechera), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 22:39 (three years ago) Permalink

I can't tell you why

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 22:42 (three years ago) Permalink

i can't wait for y'all to hear "chug all night" it's gonna be ILX rapture

usic for 18 magicians (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 22:49 (three years ago) Permalink

show of hands who is already knotting their shirts at the midriff

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 23:31 (three years ago) Permalink

"but I'd expect ilx to do this first for a band it likes a lot more."

see i was actually thinking yesterday that it would be fun for bands that i (and others here) have never listened to. except for, like, one hit. like Timbuk 3 or something. but then i remembered that a lot of groups i have forgotten about have put out a zillion records when nobody was looking. there might be 20 Timbuk 3 albums that i don't know about and there ain't no way i'm doing that. it would have to be a manageable discography.

scott seward, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 00:44 (three years ago) Permalink

weirdly the eagles are like the perfect band to try this with

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 00:46 (three years ago) Permalink

yeah, they are good. well, just thinking about songs that you've heard a million times until you don't hear them anymore can be a good exercise.

and i don't really want to listen to lots of timbuk 3 albums.

scott seward, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 00:54 (three years ago) Permalink

somehow it feels like the Eagles made way more than 6 studio albums (7 including the 2007 post-reunion album) given their omnipresence

Lee626, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 00:58 (three years ago) Permalink

i was surprised that don henley didn't put out anything in the 90's. he must have been walking in the woods. 11 years between the end of the innocence and his album from 2000.

scott seward, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 01:01 (three years ago) Permalink

He had some new bait songs on his hits package, and..."Get Over It".

Uncle Cyril O'Boogie (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 01:03 (three years ago) Permalink

the mellow don henley of the year 2000:

You could have given us the finger
Much more constructively than that
Now I sit here with the MTV
And your bloated, Burmese cat
We're being treated to the wisdom
Of some puffed up little fart
Doing exactly what I used to do
Pretentions to anarchy and art
He speaks the language of a warrior
He mounts his misinformed attack
He wears the clothes of a dissenter
But there's a logo on his back
And it's a hollow rebellion
As rebellions mostly are
It's just another raging tempest in a jar

scott seward, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 01:06 (three years ago) Permalink

Those words are in English, but that verse makes no sense!

Uncle Cyril O'Boogie (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 01:07 (three years ago) Permalink

Henley in the '90s...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJU94w_A9jc

In To The Limit, he mentions the video had to be edited down for consideration for airtime on MTV (yeah right) & VH1. "There was too much talkin' in it...the only white guy they want rappin' on MTV is Vanilla Ice."

Uncle Cyril O'Boogie (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 01:11 (three years ago) Permalink

RAGH KIDS AND THEIR SAGGY PANTS RAGH

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 01:30 (three years ago) Permalink

and we have to ask why these people are so bad and hated?

no fomo (La Lechera), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 01:31 (three years ago) Permalink

that video is endless. i don't know if i could watch it all they way through. says the guy who wants to bathe in the eagles for the forseeable future...jesus, that does sound horrible. bathing in eagle water. the smell might never come off. you guys realize you will always be the person who knows to much about the eagles if you follow through with this. you might want to keep that on the down low. nobody will invite you to parties.

scott seward, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 02:12 (three years ago) Permalink

Ha, are you actually planning to discuss every single song in the Eagles' discography?? That only registered now, somehow. Whoa.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 02:26 (three years ago) Permalink

they laughed at madame curie too. right in her face! but someone has to do the dirty work.

scott seward, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 02:28 (three years ago) Permalink

This definitely feels like one of those "only Nixon could've gone to China" type things.

pplains, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 02:31 (three years ago) Permalink

I packed my suitcase, I'm totally ready.

- 1 pair unwashed bellbottoms
- quaaludes
- coke
- ?

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 02:36 (three years ago) Permalink

mostly coke, weed, and tequila. maybe a learjet

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 02:38 (three years ago) Permalink

idk why I think of them as a coke n 'ludes band but yr suitcase is p cool too

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 02:40 (three years ago) Permalink

Xpost...underage girl, Rimbaud poetry volume.

Uncle Cyril O'Boogie (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 02:41 (three years ago) Permalink

*runs back to house, packs those things*

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 02:42 (three years ago) Permalink

ludes not specifically mentioned in the hoskyns book but who the fuck knows, i'm sure they were around

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 02:45 (three years ago) Permalink

i always kinda wished i had tried a quaalude. they stopped making them during my drug years. i think. nobody had any anyway.

scott seward, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 02:47 (three years ago) Permalink

see, Eagles make you wistful.

scott seward, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 02:48 (three years ago) Permalink

They had a suitcase full of valium at that airport in the documentary, so if they weren't fucking with ludes specfically then boatloads of [insert downer]

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 02:50 (three years ago) Permalink

that's kinda sad to have a suitcase full of valium. now valium i had PLENTY of during my drug days. thanks to my dad. he practically had a suitcase full. stressful times. for the both of us and for the nation. man, the eagles were bummed out.

scott seward, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 02:57 (three years ago) Permalink

cocaine leads you to the sad drugs i guess

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 02:59 (three years ago) Permalink

The eagles are perfect because there are 20 eagles songs everyone's heard a million times and 70 eagles songs most of us have never heard

usic for 18 magicians (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 03:26 (three years ago) Permalink

otm

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 03:27 (three years ago) Permalink

Yeah, even their "Very Best of" two-discer is about half stuff you don't hear much on the radio.

Before we move on to the next track, I just want to say I like "Take It Easy", and part of that stems from a story I heard somewhere about how Winslow, Arizona ended up in the lyric: Jackson Browne had been driving cross-country, picking up Route 66 to get to California when his car broke down in Winslow, and he had to stay there for a few days while it was repaired.

Uncle Cyril O'Boogie (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 03:50 (three years ago) Permalink

cool story bro

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 03:54 (three years ago) Permalink

:)

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 03:54 (three years ago) Permalink

I'm thinking if we did an Eagles tracks poll, where you could include solo songs, that "Boys of Summer" would win.

jetfan, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 03:54 (three years ago) Permalink

I actually mostly like Take It Easy, at least until the speedfreak banjo gets on my nerves

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 03:55 (three years ago) Permalink

so what are the rules: can we no longer discuss "take it easy" come tomorrow? or ever again? or are songs open for discussing going forward once they've been entered into the fray? also, will we have to start doing copious amounts of coke once they start doing copious amounts of coke?

fact checking cuz, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 04:04 (three years ago) Permalink

song a day should mean no bleedthrough imo

new song, new convo

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 04:08 (three years ago) Permalink

yeah, Take It Easy is great. I dig the famous Xgau article but the political criticism of the Eagles is sort of... outdated? we have all grown to like yuppie music, right? the albums review is still important though, the "And not always all that brilliant, either" part. which is why this "one song each day" project is so necessary. bring it on!

g simmel, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 08:39 (three years ago) Permalink

the guitars kinda rule.

scott seward, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 11:27 (three years ago) Permalink

i mean i can see other bands at the time listening to this and going DAMN SICK GUITARS and then hating the Eagles even more.

scott seward, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 11:29 (three years ago) Permalink

This is pretty great too. Greatest Hits was inevitably one of the handful of tapes my dad had in the car when I was a kid, and this was the song I liked. I think the woo-oo-ooos make for a killer hook. Also they suit a loping bass, like in One Of These Nights.

Lyrically it's not ideal, but if I give Dazed & Confused a free pass I can hardly complain about this.

Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 11:34 (three years ago) Permalink

the intro is killer. and after the intro you get three cool sounding guitars and it just sounds really good to me.

true story: this song was playing on the department store speakers when my wife Maria went to go buy her first bra. (she just told me that.)

scott seward, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 11:36 (three years ago) Permalink

I bet the guys'd get a kick out of that.

I like the drumming here. There's too much empty repetition at the beginning - the four repeats after the intro should've been cut in half.

Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 11:40 (three years ago) Permalink

They've become 'the guys', see what you've done to me.

Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 11:41 (three years ago) Permalink

A mainstay of Halloween party mixtapes.

T/S "Witchy Woman" vs "Black Magic Woman"

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 11:42 (three years ago) Permalink

the only single on the first album with don henley lead vocals. i just read that.

scott seward, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 11:54 (three years ago) Permalink

"While the inspiration for the title and lyrics was based on various women they had met and remembered as seductive enchantresses, Henley had Zelda Fitzgerald particularly in mind after reading her biography."

scott seward, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 11:56 (three years ago) Permalink

"She drove herself to madness with the silver spoon", is a reference to Zelda's time in a mental institution and the special slotted silver spoon used to dissolve sugar cubes with Absinthe, the popular 1920s alcoholic beverage distilled from the wormwood tree and called "the green fairy" for sometimes inducing hallucinations. The song was conceived while Don Henley was living in an old house near the Hollywood Bowl, with his flat mate, Henry Vine (aka 'Blitz')."

scott seward, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 11:57 (three years ago) Permalink

check out the guitar sound on this t.v. performance. nasty.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xcogzw_witchy-woman-eagles_music

scott seward, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 12:05 (three years ago) Permalink

The toms on the intro make me wonder if it started out as some kind of "Cherokee Nation" thing.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 12:10 (three years ago) Permalink

Was listening to Zevon last night. Obv. Zevon was part of that scene, pals with the Eagles, etc., but he's so much more vicious, acid, witty and mean, not just vacuous. Was he just in it for the drugs? There are all these talented writers, like Zevon, Browne and Newman, who seem to have no prob with the Eagles as a band or as people. And in some cases, like Zevon and Newman, you'd think the Eagles would be open targets.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2O91T6ZeW0

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 12:18 (three years ago) Permalink

Xgau: "But the only ones that score are the jokes: Ernie K-Doe's sly, shy "A Certain Girl," and "Gorilla, You're a Desperado," a satire of the Eagles, not to mention Warren Zevon. Don Henley sings harmony. Linda Ronstadt will not cover. "

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 12:23 (three years ago) Permalink

That TV performance is the business. Reminds me of Peter Green, talking about Black Magic Woman, though Green is a lot more fluid. It's an amazing 1-2 all told, and aiui they only get better from here.

Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 12:28 (three years ago) Permalink

Holy fuck, was there anything Christgau was right about in the '70s (or, frankly, ever)?

誤訳侮辱, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 12:37 (three years ago) Permalink

Yes?

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 12:48 (three years ago) Permalink

oldladieswholooklikeglenfrey.blogspot.com

the vineyards where the grapes of corporate rock are stored (cryptosicko), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 12:58 (three years ago) Permalink

And in some cases, like Zevon and Newman, you'd think the Eagles would be open targets

this has crossed my mind more than once

|citation needed| (will), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 13:21 (three years ago) Permalink

Having a pop at Springsteen and ELO is funnier

Tommy McTommy (Tom D.), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 13:23 (three years ago) Permalink

Ugh, hate this. Dull, plodding, thudding, flumping, about as dynamic as a drool-stained pillow.

Shart Week (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 13:26 (three years ago) Permalink

That 45 has terrible sleeve art. I guess that's how you know they weren't rich yet.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 13:29 (three years ago) Permalink

xxpost so was Newman clowning ELO?

|citation needed| (will), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 13:31 (three years ago) Permalink

i don't think that was the american sleeve. i think this was:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e7/Witchy_Woman.jpg

scott seward, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 13:33 (three years ago) Permalink

xxpost so was Newman clowning ELO?

He does on a song I can't remember the title of

Tommy McTommy (Tom D.), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 13:35 (three years ago) Permalink

Oh hold on, it's "The Story of a Rock and Roll Band"

Tommy McTommy (Tom D.), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 13:36 (three years ago) Permalink

but i just liked the idea of the eagles being locked up. so i went with that.

scott seward, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 13:37 (three years ago) Permalink

Did you have the urge then, or sometimes now, to just crank the amps up to 11 and play rock and roll?

If I thought I could do that, and weren’t so self-critical and thought I could play well enough, I’d love to do it. I’m just not the player Ry is, or (Jim) Keltner, or some of these guys. I mean, they put up with me all right because I play unconventionally and I can think of notes for everybody. But I’m a writer really. I’d love to be able to just ram around to ram around in a band, yeah, if I could feel comfortable that they wouldn’t look at me funny because I was out of time, you know? I just don’t have the rudiments of it. I have skills that are advanced in high areas of music, and yet, basic things are really hard for me sometimes, like keeping in time or playing piano. On the thing (producer) Jeff Lynne cut of mine, “Falling In Love,” we did it all in Mike Campbell’s garage, Tom Petty’s guitar player. Petty was there, and we were going to do background voices. I said, ‘I can’t really do that.’ I look at (Don) Henley or these guys doing it, and I can’t sing in tune like that. And Petty says to me, ‘No, you can do it. With Jeff, I didn’t think I could do it either, but when I did it with Jeff, we could do it.’ So I got in there, and there was Petty, and Campbell, and we were all going to make our ‘oohs.’ So I put my hand over my ears like I’d seen people do (laughs), and the thing came up, and I went, ‘Uungh,” and this went on for a while, and I saw Jeff Lynne shaking his head like he smelled something bad. And he looked over at me, and it was a look of, ‘Are you putting us on? Are you kidding?’ It had a little pity in it, but it was mainly like, ‘You’re joking, aren’t you?’ So we did it again, and I went ‘Aaah,’ and apparently he had never heard anyone that bad. So he just said, ‘Maybe you better sit this one out.’ So you can’t help but getting smacked no matter how far you go.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 13:40 (three years ago) Permalink

i guess i always assumed it was coming from a place of affection, kinda like 'unseen power of the pcket fence'

|citation needed| (will), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 13:45 (three years ago) Permalink

can I just

"It's Witch-AY Woman"

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 13:47 (three years ago) Permalink

Yeah this song sucks. Too slow and dead. But did make a good Seinfeld joke (haha xp).

Vinnie, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 13:48 (three years ago) Permalink

• Also they suit a loping bass, like in One Of These Nights.

If there's one thing this sudden blast of reconsideration has done is to make realize that Randy Meisner was the man on bass.

I've always thought that about him with "Hotel California" - a song from an era that he doesn't even seem to fit in. (Can you imagine the set list that has both Life in the Fast Lane and Take It to the Limit on it?)

A mainstay of Halloween party mixtapes.

T/S "Witchy Woman" vs "Black Magic Woman"

Don't forget "Devil Woman".

• This was the song I was thinking about above when I made mention of my fear of Eagles background vocals. That bridge at 2:40 would be the perfect scene soundtrack to a character on PCP realizing too late that they've just murdered a loved one.

It's probably even happened in real life.

pplains, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 13:53 (three years ago) Permalink

re: 'ludes discussion upthread...don't those just make you sleepy? How is that a fun recreational drug?

Shart Week (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 13:55 (three years ago) Permalink

i love that part of the song. the bass sounds great on this song too. i really love the guitars. that's a solid heavy metal intro too. like slowed down judas priest.

scott seward, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 13:56 (three years ago) Permalink

tarfumes at least listen to the guitar sound on that t.v. clip i linked too. they sound so good. that's my kinda tone.

scott seward, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 13:57 (three years ago) Permalink

re: 'ludes discussion upthread...don't those just make you sleepy? How is that a fun recreational drug?

I have no personal experience, but an older friend who was an enthusiast in their heyday says that they were the loviest, huggiest drug ever. Way more than MDMA. "We would all just end up sitting in a heap on the floor, everybody with their arms around each other," that kind of thing.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 13:59 (three years ago) Permalink

I'm with Don and Glenn. Who needs love?

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 14:01 (three years ago) Permalink

I have a crystal clear memory of little Carl Agatha, excited to have chosen her dime store plastic witch mask and smock for Halloween, donning her costume and performing an interpretive dance routine to Witchy Woman for her long-suffering parents. This song always intrigued me when I was a kid. It sounded so mysterious! She'll rock you in the night until your skin turns red! What could that mean??!?!? Now I know what the lyrics mean and I've just heard it too many times and find it kind of blah EXCEPT for the breakdwown in the middle with the toms and Don Henley going ham on the falsetto. I still like that part.

My stepfather is a huge, HUGE fan of the Eagles. We spent an evening on the deck rocking Eagles deep cuts and drinking beer on the deck (well, he was drinking beer) when I was visiting earlier this month. Most of my experience with the band is overexposure to the hits and listening to albums cuts refracted through the lens of my stepdad's boundless enthusiasm, so this should be interesting.

Also whoever said that the Eagles and Steve Miller Band occupy the same space in his thoughts is OTM. I just had to take a second to remember which band released Time Keeps on Slippin'.

Lawyer... SUAVE... (carl agatha), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 14:07 (three years ago) Permalink

• This was the song I was thinking about above when I made mention of my fear of Eagles background vocals. That bridge at 2:40 would be the perfect scene soundtrack to a character on PCP realizing too late that they've just murdered a loved one.

It's probably even happened in real life.

hahahahaha OTM

Lawyer... SUAVE... (carl agatha), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 14:07 (three years ago) Permalink

Holy fuck, was there anything Christgau was right about in the '70s (or, frankly, ever)?

― 誤訳侮辱, Wednesday, August 21, 2013 8:37 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

The only thing i can come up with is Skynyrd, other than that, the guy sucked about as bad as you can suck.

One Way Ticket on the 1277 Express (Bill Magill), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 14:08 (three years ago) Permalink

Haha xp that's great. Also, the little dropped in bent guitar note at 2:46 is killing me.

Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 14:10 (three years ago) Permalink

The toms on the intro make me wonder if it started out as some kind of "Cherokee Nation" thing.

This. The tom sound is such a Western movie cliche it feels kind of creepy, though the lyrics don't pick up that theme (perhaps the "til your skin turns red" line is left over from an earlier, more racist version?)

All that wooo-oooing is the best part.

Brad C., Wednesday, 21 August 2013 14:12 (three years ago) Permalink

As a child, I assumed that the witchy woman was staying up all night casting a spell that would cause you to get a skin ailment similar to a sunburn so that's probably what it is.

Lawyer... SUAVE... (carl agatha), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 14:14 (three years ago) Permalink

wiki says that bernie wrote the music when he was in burrito brothers so maybe he had a western-themed thing in mind. then henley wrote his haunted flapper lyrics.

scott seward, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 14:16 (three years ago) Permalink

tarfumes at least listen to the guitar sound on that t.v. clip i linked too. they sound so good. that's my kinda tone.

― scott seward, Wednesday, August 21, 2013 9:57 AM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Wow. Yeah, the guitars in that clip help the song exponentially.

Shart Week (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 14:17 (three years ago) Permalink

I have no personal experience, but an older friend who was an enthusiast in their heyday says that they were the loviest, huggiest drug ever. Way more than MDMA. "We would all just end up sitting in a heap on the floor, everybody with their arms around each other," that kind of thing.

― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, August 21, 2013 9:59 AM (17 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Ah, ok, that kinda makes sense now...my only exposure to 'ludedom was Albert Brooks in Modern Romance ("I have so many great albums!")

Shart Week (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 14:18 (three years ago) Permalink

that cracked me up in modern romance. i could relate. i actually did that once on one of the only occasions that i did X. i just sat in a chair next to my records all night.

scott seward, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 14:20 (three years ago) Permalink

As a child, I assumed that the witchy woman was staying up all night casting a spell that would cause you to get a skin ailment similar to a sunburn so that's probably what it is.

― Lawyer... SUAVE... (carl agatha)

http://www.stolloween.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/witches3.jpg

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 14:20 (three years ago) Permalink

Hey y'all just wanna suggest a good book to go along with this thread would be Barney Hoskyns' Hotel California, really great account of the whole scene

usic for 18 magicians (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 14:36 (three years ago) Permalink

we talked about that book at length on the eagles thread that spawned this thread. i loved it even though it really bummed me out majorly.

scott seward, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 14:37 (three years ago) Permalink

I have no personal experience, but an older friend who was an enthusiast in their heyday says that they were the loviest, huggiest drug ever. Way more than MDMA. "We would all just end up sitting in a heap on the floor, everybody with their arms around each other," that kind of thing.

Tel it to Pulaski.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 14:37 (three years ago) Permalink

i thought this and "one of these nights" were the bee gees when i was a kid

no fomo (La Lechera), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 14:39 (three years ago) Permalink

then i realized that all the bee gees songs i disliked were actually the eagles

no fomo (La Lechera), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 14:40 (three years ago) Permalink

I think this is an excellent song. Agreed about the guitars.

One Way Ticket on the 1277 Express (Bill Magill), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 14:40 (three years ago) Permalink

listening to this song for the first time voluntarily -- that's what's going on here, right? -- i think i am unable to separate the association of the eagles' singing/lyrics with boozy (usually old) sleazebags. i like the music ok, and the guitar solo was enjoyable, but i want don henley to stop singing every time he starts.

no fomo (La Lechera), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 14:47 (three years ago) Permalink

i feel like eagles played every song just a little slower than anyone else would play the same song. so slow and deliberate. no wonder bluegrass people get such a thrill speeding that shit up.

scott seward, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 14:56 (three years ago) Permalink

Bernie Leadon was a bluegrass person!

Tommy McTommy (Tom D.), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 14:57 (three years ago) Permalink

I'm kinda surprised nobody's ever sampled the little guitar part between 0:22 and 0:29.

誤訳侮辱, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 15:28 (three years ago) Permalink

"Bernie Leadon was a bluegrass person!"

yah not in the eagles he wasn't. okay crazy banjo in take it easy makes me a liar but in general...

they did country/downhome but it was often way slow country/downhome. though that's why this thread is good cuz there are probably hootenanny tracks i have missed. even their rockers are often very slow rockers. it was the suitcase full of valium...

scott seward, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 15:41 (three years ago) Permalink

It's really hard to play fast with one of those suitcases cuffed to your wrist.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 16:22 (three years ago) Permalink

I really dig Witchay Woman...I kinda wish they did more material with *that* kinda sound

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 16:43 (three years ago) Permalink

and let's make sure we're putting ELO's Evil Woman our Halloween playlist

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 16:44 (three years ago) Permalink

I'm still loling and agreeing with Carl about that 'rocking you in the night til your skin turns red'. I had a childhood fascination with that line too! It sounded very witchcraftian when I was a little kid, that she could turn your skin red but the rocking you was still not clear to me.

Now I'm grown up it's just like ew gross and also ow wtf

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 16:46 (three years ago) Permalink

idgi

Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 16:58 (three years ago) Permalink

I assume it's just about sex now. She'll fuck you until you're... red? Maybe he means badly chafed.

Lawyer... SUAVE... (carl agatha), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 17:04 (three years ago) Permalink

Yes, rubbed raw. OWWWW

how's life, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 17:05 (three years ago) Permalink

that's all I can think of

who would want that, I mean

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 17:06 (three years ago) Permalink

Or at the very least giving you a yeast infection.

how's life, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 17:06 (three years ago) Permalink

...

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 17:06 (three years ago) Permalink

imagine writing about bad chafing, c'mon guys

Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 17:07 (three years ago) Permalink

...whereas VGs original interpretatino was on some I Dream of Jeanie, blink three times and *POOF* the Eagles have vermillion-tinted epidermis.

how's life, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 17:08 (three years ago) Permalink

This will not end well for anyone involved.

Matt M., Wednesday, 21 August 2013 17:09 (three years ago) Permalink

And didn't we decide this was a song about Zelda Fitzgerald? Does The Great Gatsby have whole passages about bad chafing?

Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 17:10 (three years ago) Permalink

tbf Tender Is The Night sounds like it might

Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 17:11 (three years ago) Permalink

OKAY I AM MOVING ON FROM THIS I FEEL BAD FOR BRINGING IT UP AGAIN

One thing I found when I relistened to this is that something about the riff (after the wigwam drum jam opening) is that it reminds me a little bit of Sherbet's 'Howzat'

something about the bassline maybe? but same kinda groove

...but it's entirely possible that these sound nothing alike to anyone but me and I just wanted an excuse to listen to Sherbet again lol

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 17:12 (three years ago) Permalink

Also whoever said that the Eagles and Steve Miller Band occupy the same space in his thoughts is OTM. I just had to take a second to remember which band released Time Keeps on Slippin'.

― Lawyer... SUAVE... (carl agatha), Wednesday, August 21, 2013 10:07 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i wanna fly like The Eagles....

Lee626, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 17:14 (three years ago) Permalink

The main difference is that the Eagles weren't non-playing motherfuckers with only one or two sorry-ass albums.

Shart Week (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 17:19 (three years ago) Permalink

I'm still loling and agreeing with Carl about that 'rocking you in the night til your skin turns red'. I had a childhood fascination with that line too!

This reminds me of MY childhood obsession with Donna Summer's request to "Do it tonight/You know the moment is right/Turn my brown body white" in "Dim All The Lights"

Sir Lord Baltimora (Myonga Vön Bontee), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 17:28 (three years ago) Permalink

tarfumes we are gonna have to step outside. i love steve miller. he was putting out spooky 7 minute epics complete with orchestra in 1972:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJALQcCHuF0

scott seward, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 17:37 (three years ago) Permalink

"Love's Riddle" on that album...ahhhhh what a beautiful song.

scott seward, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 17:38 (three years ago) Permalink

i actually don't even own any steve miller albums after that one. still, that's seven steve miller albums i have at home that i really like a lot. i like spacey steve a ton.

scott seward, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 17:40 (three years ago) Permalink

I actually don't mind Miller too much. That spacey track is nice. But he hates the Who ("totally unmusical"), and Miles Davis hates him:

“I remember one time - it might have been a couple times - at the Fillmore East in 1970, I was opening for this sorry-ass cat named Steve Miller. Steve Miller didn't have shit going for him, so I'm pissed because I got to open for this non-playing motherfucker just because he had one or two sorry-ass records out. So I would come late and he would have to go on first and when we got there we smoked the motherfucking place, and everybody dug it.”

Shart Week (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 17:49 (three years ago) Permalink

i remember hearing "witchy woman" on their greatest hits when i was a kid and thinking to myself "this doesn't sound like them at all," and hating it. it sounded too self-consciously "rock" to me, i think. i never warmed up to it, and then pretty much forgot it existed until i saw the eagles documentary. listening to it now, it sounds like it comes from later in their career. it would have fit really well on hotel california.

fact checking cuz, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 17:50 (three years ago) Permalink

Going to high school in a rural redneck town ruined Steve Miller forever. Steve Miller's greatest hits blaring out of pick ups, everywhere you turned someone clapping the claps from take the money and run, custom Firebird decals declaring their drivers to be gangsters of love, never ending Steve Miller Band nonstop for eternity.

Lawyer... SUAVE... (carl agatha), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 17:51 (three years ago) Permalink

Going to high school in a rural redneck town ruined Steve Miller forever. Steve Miller's greatest hits blaring out of pick ups, everywhere you turned someone clapping the claps from take the money and run, custom Firebird decals declaring their drivers to be gangsters of love, never ending Steve Miller Band nonstop for eternity.

this phenomenon was not at all restricted to rural redneck towns.

fact checking cuz, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 17:54 (three years ago) Permalink

"and Miles Davis hates him"

you realize that this is a REALLY long list.

scott seward, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 18:45 (three years ago) Permalink

yeah, steve miller ubiquity kind of a nationwide thing. but i kinda feel the same way about his smash hits as i feel about eagles smash hits. just a part of the air for as long as i can remember. it would be like hating trees or butterflies at this point for me.

scott seward, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 18:47 (three years ago) Permalink

The Who being described as "unmusical" is a new one for me. Thats a bad call

One Way Ticket on the 1277 Express (Bill Magill), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 18:52 (three years ago) Permalink

you know, trees that will try to sleep with your children and butterflies that will steal your drugs, but still...

scott seward, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 18:56 (three years ago) Permalink

I don't have the exact quote handy, but Miller said of the Who's performance at Monterey (retrospectively, in 1987), "They came into the middle of this peace-and-love thing and did their tear-it-up bad-boy act. Totally unmusical. I thought that then, and I think that now."

And yeah, Miles pretty much hated everyone, but there was something delightfully hilarious about how he singled Miller out. He seemed to like other acts he opened for; he had nice things to say about the Dead, the Band, Laura Nyro, and CSNY (and while he never shared the bill with them, he loved the Who).

Shart Week (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 19:07 (three years ago) Permalink

i dunno, miles said lots of mean stuff about lots of musicians. tons of mean stuff.

scott seward, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 19:13 (three years ago) Permalink

Oh, I agree. I think his comments about Dolphy and Cecil were supremely fucked, and he was goaded into talking shit about the new music by anti-new-thing critics in a divide-and-conquer kind of way.

Shart Week (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 19:17 (three years ago) Permalink

Did Miles have any opinion about the Eagles?

A Made Man In The Mellow Mafia (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 19:22 (three years ago) Permalink

big fan iirc

Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 19:37 (three years ago) Permalink

He appreciated the fact that their third album was a track-by-track response to On the Corner.

Shart Week (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 19:37 (three years ago) Permalink

this phenomenon was not at all restricted to rural redneck towns.

― fact checking cuz, Wednesday, August 21, 2013 5:54 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I totally believe you. For whatever reason, SMB was most popular among the most rural farmer kids so I always associate them with that demographic.

Lawyer... SUAVE... (carl agatha), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 19:41 (three years ago) Permalink

Good to know (and not really a surprise): "Witchy Woman", along with all other Leadon and Meisner compositions, was left out of the Hell Freezes Over project so those guys wouldn't earn any money directly off the reunion.

A Made Man In The Mellow Mafia (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 19:45 (three years ago) Permalink

heartwarming

Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 19:54 (three years ago) Permalink

bless their cotton socks, those loveable scamps

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 20:11 (three years ago) Permalink

sooooo, i guess there isn't much to say about witchy other than its witchy and slow and it reminds us of seinfeld. and our childhood. and i like the guitars. its so simple really. that song. but what a formula for earworm immortality they had. plus, i think any band that has people singing the guitar parts to their songs is destined for a cash reward. i just made that up. but i think its true. that intro is so singable.

scott seward, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 20:20 (three years ago) Permalink

just a part of the air for as long as i can remember.

So, to a lesser extent is SMB

I guess I'm too old to care about the fight now. They're everywhere, though fading, and I can't see fighting about it any more than I can about arbitrating the Dorsey/Miller beef

Fais ce que voudra, occiderai de même (Michael White), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 20:21 (three years ago) Permalink

i think i would like witchy woman more if it was don's only turn as lead vocalist in their catalog.

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 20:32 (three years ago) Permalink

hmmm. i was gonna say this was one of my fav eagles songs but it's kinda sucking right now. :/

the intro writes a check the song can't cash

usic for 18 magicians (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 20:34 (three years ago) Permalink

The title writes a check the song can't catch.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 20:37 (three years ago) Permalink

Cash.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 20:37 (three years ago) Permalink

This song is a steaming pile of poo. When I hear the a-ha's I think there's a bunch of 14 year old tricks squeezing their nads so they can hit the high notes.

I'll take the jangle-jangle over the throb-throb (brg30), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 20:43 (three years ago) Permalink

the intro writes a check the song can't cash

this thread is, at this point, two for two on that score.

fact checking cuz, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 20:47 (three years ago) Permalink

Given the drums on this, doesn't "rocking you in the night til your skin turns red" imply that the witchy woman turns you into a Native American?

cookin' with bad (Eazy), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 20:47 (three years ago) Permalink

i thought you actually meant A-Ha for a second there. they could hit those high notes real good too.

x-post

scott seward, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 20:48 (three years ago) Permalink

Supposedly, when recording, they sucked lemons to stay on pitch. I don't know how or why that would work.

Shart Week (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 20:51 (three years ago) Permalink

cocaine thoughts

usic for 18 magicians (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 20:52 (three years ago) Permalink

Eagles Lemon Party

A Made Man In The Mellow Mafia (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 20:53 (three years ago) Permalink

noooooooooooooooooooooooooo

usic for 18 magicians (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 21:16 (three years ago) Permalink

i like their harmonies on this. I mean, I like most of their harmonies on most of their songs, but this one in particular stands out for me

I like how henley's voice sounds kinda ragged like he's been up all night with the Witchay Woman... and when you listen with headphones all the Glyn Johns echo that they hated on their voices sounds really good SO SUCK IT douchebags

This is one of the laid-back Eagles songs that actually feels *naturally* laid back, instead of later forced laidbackness that sounds like they just came out of a meeting where Frey screamed YOU GUYS BETTER BE MORE GODDAMMED LAID BACK OR WE'LL NEVER SELL A BAJILLION RECORDS over and over.

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 21:51 (three years ago) Permalink

haha

cookin' with bad (Eazy), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 21:59 (three years ago) Permalink

Feel like I need to buy a topaz bolo tie just to read this thread. Bless you all.

touch. zing touch. you've almost convinced me I'm real (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 22:51 (three years ago) Permalink

Oh, interesting. I always thought of this as the Eagles' heaviest song. Maybe it's just that distorted guitar riff. I loved it when I was a kid. Has a cool spooky atmosphere.

Didn't realize these were tracks 1-2 on their first album. I only really know Hotel California as far as the albums go. Maybe that one is worth picking up.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 22:59 (three years ago) Permalink

First album is p good imo

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 23:00 (three years ago) Permalink

It starts off so good and then we start chuggin

touch. zing touch. you've almost convinced me I'm real (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 23:02 (three years ago) Permalink

must be obvious but "Witchy Woman" is such a Stills rip off, or maybe better a Buffalo Springfield rip off since the lead guitar sounds like a Neil rip off

I hate Stills btw

Euler, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 23:03 (three years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I thought of Neil Young right now too. Never really occurred to me before, somehow.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 23:04 (three years ago) Permalink

Ralph Molina loves his tomtoms.

A Made Man In The Mellow Mafia (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 23:15 (three years ago) Permalink

that live clip really brought the neil-isms home for me.

scott seward, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 23:29 (three years ago) Permalink

Wonder if Stevie Nicks heard "Witchy Woman" and thought, huh, these are my people. I wonder if Don thought dating her later was anti-climatic.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 23:34 (three years ago) Permalink

I like how Henley switches onto the on-beat under 'woman' in the chorus

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 22 August 2013 08:50 (three years ago) Permalink

oops:

http://images.45cat.com/eagles-chug-all-night-asylum.jpg

scott seward, Thursday, 22 August 2013 12:27 (three years ago) Permalink

damn!

scott seward, Thursday, 22 August 2013 12:27 (three years ago) Permalink

anyway, it was a single in Holland. god bless the Dutch.

http://images.45cat.com/eagles-chug-all-night-asylum.jpg

scott seward, Thursday, 22 August 2013 12:28 (three years ago) Permalink

hey, great intro...

scott seward, Thursday, 22 August 2013 12:29 (three years ago) Permalink

On the day that I die, well
I just might scream
If I'm alive in the morning
Ill be alive in a dream
You better listen to me baby
Cause you know that I'm hung on you
till I'm blind and black and blue

scott seward, Thursday, 22 August 2013 12:32 (three years ago) Permalink

No woman ever do what you do
High on a pleasure wheel
No devil ever cast a voodoo
so long and dark and real
We're gonna do a little chugging
We're gonna do a little hugging
The band is loose and the groove is right
I'm wired for sound
Are you wired for light?
And you're so much woman,
I believe we could chug all night

scott seward, Thursday, 22 August 2013 12:33 (three years ago) Permalink

the Dutch were apparently very big fans:

http://youtu.be/hF4aJwiFMC0

scott seward, Thursday, 22 August 2013 12:41 (three years ago) Permalink

okay, i remembered how to do youtube links like that. i should probably do youtubes like that from now on? yes? no? so that this thread doesn't become impossible.

scott seward, Thursday, 22 August 2013 12:42 (three years ago) Permalink

so you guys keep talking about "In The City," so when I went to Spotify to see what the fuss was I realized I've heard this thing on AOR radio for years.

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 22 August 2013 12:44 (three years ago) Permalink

This is a terrible song.

Lawyer... SUAVE... (carl agatha), Thursday, 22 August 2013 12:56 (three years ago) Permalink

Opening chord sequence reminds me of We're Going Wrong by Cream. Otherwise this sounds pretty generic really.

29 facepalms, Thursday, 22 August 2013 13:14 (three years ago) Permalink

i was totally on board with this song and enjoying how well recorded the drums are (i could even hear the bass clearly) until "i believe we can chug all night" and then i started laughing
like actual hahahaha laughing

no fomo (La Lechera), Thursday, 22 August 2013 13:16 (three years ago) Permalink

The band is loose and the groove is right

this song doesn't sound very loose or groovy at all ... needs to swing more

not sufficiently laid back, two point deduction

Brad C., Thursday, 22 August 2013 13:20 (three years ago) Permalink

first person to have a poignant story that involves hearing this song when they were a kid wins a prize.

scott seward, Thursday, 22 August 2013 13:21 (three years ago) Permalink

Almost sounds like Heart for the first few seconds. I mean, before any vocals appear. LL otm re: drums (no one can fuck with Glyn Johns). This is the best-produced Eagles song I've heard. Too bad its an irredeemable piece of whiny-ass reductive shit.

Shart Week (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 22 August 2013 13:23 (three years ago) Permalink

I have a personal category of songs that are more or less songs I thought were parodies/commercials when I first heard them but are actually sincerely recorded songs (The Doctor by The Doobie Brothers (sure it was a Dr. Pepper jingle) and All Summer Long by Kid Rock (thought it was a MI tourism board commercial) are prime examples) and if I didn't already know this was real, I am pretty sure I would have thought it was a joke, chug all night/hug all night is just so stupid.

Lawyer... SUAVE... (carl agatha), Thursday, 22 August 2013 13:34 (three years ago) Permalink

kinda critic-proof. there should have been a choice hair metal cover of it. but other than that Dutch group doing it, there are absolutely no cover versions on Youtube. and believe me that says a LOT. there is only one clip of the actual song on Youtube. and someone put it up 2 months ago, so maybe Frey goes around yanking all videos of this song as fast as he can.

scott seward, Thursday, 22 August 2013 13:40 (three years ago) Permalink

this is rough

call all destroyer, Thursday, 22 August 2013 13:42 (three years ago) Permalink

i was just thinking about how someone said on the other thread that old-ilx would never do something like this and i was trying to imagine marcello and mark s. debating "chug all night".

scott seward, Thursday, 22 August 2013 13:45 (three years ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STH7AxNmUY4

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 22 August 2013 13:48 (three years ago) Permalink

I like the introduction, I was expecting* it to unfold like The Stooges for a bit but better-recorded. The verses are better for keeping that urgency, but the vocals sadly don't keep up with it. Frey(?) really needed to cut loose here, scream a bit**. The oo-oos that appear in the second verse are too polite.

The guitar breaks are nice, and sound fantastic. I really like the 'no woman ever do what you do' bit, the bass rolls nicely. I can imagine Steppenwolf laying down this sorta thing.

The chorus is a disgrace though. The sentiment is fine - who among you hasn't wanted to chug all night? - despite the clumsy music/act of love parallel. No, the problem is the sheer laziness of the inner bar band here. That I-IV-I-IV progression*** and wall-of-backing-vox, cutting out on the punchline, we've heard it millions of times before.

FFS: 'gonna do a little chuggin', gonna do a little huggin'? I take it all back.

* not really
** scratch that, he does cut loose in the main guitar solo and it doesn't work. Henley should've sung this, he's raspier.
*** I'm making that up, mostly

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 22 August 2013 13:51 (three years ago) Permalink

I think this is tied with "The Greeks Don't Want No Freaks" for worst Eagles song...except that the music is pretty good. I hate Frey's vocals (there's a lot of cracking and deliberately ugly notes, and obviously the lyrics are mind-crushingly stupid), but the backing track is great. With better lyrics and a different singer, this could have been a '70s AOR classic.

誤訳侮辱, Thursday, 22 August 2013 13:52 (three years ago) Permalink

I like the introduction, I was expecting* it to unfold like The Stooges for a bit but better-recorded.

I recall reading some account of early John Cougar Mellencamp where he claimed to have been in a band that covered the Stooges, but I just can't believe it.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 22 August 2013 13:57 (three years ago) Permalink

Someone tell Robin Thicke we figured out what rhymes with hug.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 22 August 2013 14:45 (three years ago) Permalink

"I can imagine Steppenwolf laying down this sorta thing."

steppenwolf from this era some of my fave steppenwolf. especially the albums Slow Flux and Skullduggery. two good ones from that time period:

"Black Pit"

http://youtu.be/i9PfrbScLi0

"Gang War Blues"

http://youtu.be/IszBXYDXWm4

but the actual year that the Eagles debut came out, 1972, saw the release of John Kay's solo album where he did a really good version of Richard Farina's anti-imperialism epic "Bold Marauder".

http://youtu.be/BhUkjeMDADg

scott seward, Thursday, 22 August 2013 14:45 (three years ago) Permalink

which is just a way to point out that John Kay and Steppenwolf in the early 70's had WAY more on their minds than the Eagles did. and that's saying something.

scott seward, Thursday, 22 August 2013 14:47 (three years ago) Permalink

Early '70s Steppenwolf albums are amazing. I love "Gang War Blues." But pretty much every Steppenwolf album right up to Skullduggery is great.

誤訳侮辱, Thursday, 22 August 2013 14:51 (three years ago) Permalink

"Chug All Night" mostly makes me think of this guy.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 22 August 2013 14:54 (three years ago) Permalink

Not the worst Eagles song in the world. I can hear in my mind a million bar bands butchering it.

pplains, Thursday, 22 August 2013 15:03 (three years ago) Permalink

Make them stop!

pplains, Thursday, 22 August 2013 15:03 (three years ago) Permalink

if you bought this album new and these were the first three songs you heard, i think you'd be pretty confused as to what exactly this band is--so far they've done prototypical country rock, soulful/citified pop-rock, and hacky bar band shit.

call all destroyer, Thursday, 22 August 2013 15:33 (three years ago) Permalink

i dunno, seems kinda typical stuff to me. but i listen to way too many country rock records.

scott seward, Thursday, 22 August 2013 15:36 (three years ago) Permalink

feel like in another era frey and henley would have been brill building or tin pan alley dudes. or own a shady little label where they would rip off r&b performers left and right. or despots in the mesopotamian empire.

scott seward, Thursday, 22 August 2013 15:39 (three years ago) Permalink

living in a river of darkness beneath a neon light

no fomo (La Lechera), Thursday, 22 August 2013 15:40 (three years ago) Permalink

xp yeah that may be true! i feel like this is less coherent than i thought it would be but you would know much better than me

call all destroyer, Thursday, 22 August 2013 15:47 (three years ago) Permalink

feel like in another era frey and henley would have been brill building or tin pan alley dudes.

Frey and Henley at one desk, Fagan/Becker at another...

pplains, Thursday, 22 August 2013 15:56 (three years ago) Permalink

... Buckingham/Nicks naked under another ...

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 22 August 2013 16:12 (three years ago) Permalink

I kind of like this song. Ive never heard it before.

One Way Ticket on the 1277 Express (Bill Magill), Thursday, 22 August 2013 16:25 (three years ago) Permalink

it would take all my superpowers to think of something interesting to say about this song. again, the intro is really promising. even when the first lines of the song creep out of frey's mouth you COULD conceivably be in for something good. and it sounds fine, but the production does nothing for me really. a zillion 4th tier country rock albums of the time had production that sounded as good as that.

scott seward, Thursday, 22 August 2013 16:27 (three years ago) Permalink

the verses sound like a band in a garage just fucking around like 'hey what about this song'...in an ideal world instead of playing the whole song the drummer trails off after a verse and then they all just kinda stand around until Frey says, 'yeah I guess it wasn't that good' and they go try something else

but hey

the chorus is ok.

god the harmonies are not...very...good. or unnecessary. or something. like riding around with a dude singing along in his car but he's a beat behind so he comes in late

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 22 August 2013 16:41 (three years ago) Permalink

I BELIEVE WE COULD CHUG ALL NIGHT
I BELIEVE WE COULD HUG ALL NIGHT

*falls down on the floor laughing*

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 22 August 2013 16:42 (three years ago) Permalink

I BELIEVE WE COULD PUG ALL NIGHT

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 22 August 2013 16:42 (three years ago) Permalink

don't quote me on this but i think the two songs with solo frey songwriting credits on the first album are the first and last songs that he wrote solo. he's no dummy. or maybe they didn't allow him to write alone after this song.

scott seward, Thursday, 22 August 2013 16:46 (three years ago) Permalink

haha yeah I can see why jeez louise

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 22 August 2013 16:53 (three years ago) Permalink

the Dutch were apparently very big fans

FLying Burrito Bros were massive there

Tommy McTommy (Tom D.), Thursday, 22 August 2013 16:57 (three years ago) Permalink

xgau:
Actually, the protagonist of "Take It Easy" doesn't plan to make his stand alone. He craves female companionship--but please, no one who will stone him or own him or bewitch him or tie him down or let him down or do anything much but chug all night.

Thus Sang Freud, Thursday, 22 August 2013 16:58 (three years ago) Permalink

bud scoppa:
"Tryin'" and "Chug All Night" aren't great songs in themselves, but the Eagles use them as frames to hang their rock & roll licks on, and the controlled explosiveness of the performances makes them among the most exciting songs here. Glen Frey's snarling rhythm guitar is featured on these two, as it is on "Nightingale"; it's worth paying special attention to.

Thus Sang Freud, Thursday, 22 August 2013 17:01 (three years ago) Permalink

I can't do this and the Elton thing at the same time

what's up ugly girls? (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 22 August 2013 17:07 (three years ago) Permalink

So this must be what it's like to hear an Eagles song for the first time.

WE'RE UP ALL NIGHT TO GET CHUGGING.

pplains, Thursday, 22 August 2013 17:08 (three years ago) Permalink

hee hee hee

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 22 August 2013 17:09 (three years ago) Permalink

It's almost like Frey is a failed advertising dude who became a musician, and he's just using up his terrible slogans in his songs

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 22 August 2013 17:10 (three years ago) Permalink

Hahaha OTM.

Shart Week (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 22 August 2013 17:13 (three years ago) Permalink

but the Eagles use them as frames to hang their rock & roll licks on, and the controlled explosiveness of the performances makes them among the most exciting songs here.

jesus

call all destroyer, Thursday, 22 August 2013 17:17 (three years ago) Permalink

dare i say, bud scoppa not otm

call all destroyer, Thursday, 22 August 2013 17:17 (three years ago) Permalink

has he *heard* other music? do we know for sure?

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 22 August 2013 17:21 (three years ago) Permalink

"FLying Burrito Bros were massive there"

this is true! and everything byrds. that one gene clark album only came out in holland.

scott seward, Thursday, 22 August 2013 17:21 (three years ago) Permalink

I believe we could bug tonight
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-4TwrnXluxjM/T6XkAujoWuI/AAAAAAAABII/B6ahF5gkjvw/s200/Orkin+Man.jpg
can someone photoshop glenn frey's mug on the orkin man pls

no fomo (La Lechera), Thursday, 22 August 2013 17:24 (three years ago) Permalink

It's not already?

pplains, Thursday, 22 August 2013 17:26 (three years ago) Permalink

"FLying Burrito Bros were massive there"

this is true! and everything byrds. that one gene clark album only came out in holland.

― scott seward, Thursday, August 22, 2013 1:21 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This explains a lot. Friend/former one-time bandmate did a duo record with Janet Bean (from Eleventh Dream Day and Freakwater) of Gram Parsons covers that was commissioned by a Dutch label (and only released in Holland).

Shart Week (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 22 August 2013 17:29 (three years ago) Permalink

Maybe move this thread to De Subjectivisten?

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 22 August 2013 17:34 (three years ago) Permalink

"Chug All Night" is the more faceless side of the band. Steppenwolf comparison upthread OTM--it also brings to mind ZZ Top (for some reason I flash on "Move Me On Down The Line" while listening to this) and Seger of the period. Joe Walsh could have done this in his sleep. Very much a 'First Album' song; you can also tell why Glyn Johns was so against them trying to really rock out.

A Made Man In The Mellow Mafia (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 22 August 2013 18:24 (three years ago) Permalink

this reminds me of when you see a classic rock cover band at a bar and they sneak one original into the setlist

Glen Frey's snarling rhythm guitar is featured on these two, as it is on "Nightingale"; it's worth paying special attention to.

LMAO

if this was literally like the only rock song you'd ever heard in your entire life, i guess....

usic for 18 magicians (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 22 August 2013 19:47 (three years ago) Permalink

grisso c'mon man this isn't even on the same planet as ZZ Top

usic for 18 magicians (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 22 August 2013 19:48 (three years ago) Permalink

zz top? seger? noooooooooo wtf grisso why u braek heart

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 22 August 2013 19:53 (three years ago) Permalink

In this case I think Glyn Johns echo is passive-aggressive because it seriously sounds like they're playing in a bar with a wooden floor for like 2 people

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 22 August 2013 19:54 (three years ago) Permalink

I was just pointing out what it reminded me of--of course those guys did it better!

A Made Man In The Mellow Mafia (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 22 August 2013 20:03 (three years ago) Permalink

It's kinda funny that ten years later ZZ Top put out "Leila" which like halfway between LA: Light Album and The Long Run.

A Made Man In The Mellow Mafia (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 22 August 2013 20:11 (three years ago) Permalink

I can't do this and the Elton thing at the same time

The sheer superstar level of dudes like Elton John in the '70s put the Eagles to shame, no? Like, weren't there many months with multiple Elton albums in the top 10?

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 22 August 2013 21:30 (three years ago) Permalink

plus, elton was huge everywhere. don't know if that's true of eagles. eagles were huge here, but maybe not everywhere in the world.

scott seward, Thursday, 22 August 2013 21:42 (three years ago) Permalink

and speaking of mellow and Holland, i'll never forget when maria told me about living in the Netherlands and how nobody knew who James Taylor was there. we just live in a humongous bubble here. maria's cousin married the only non-musical taylor boy.

(that's the kind of thing i never forget. people's birthdays i'm not so good at remembering.)

scott seward, Thursday, 22 August 2013 21:46 (three years ago) Permalink

I've been trying to find the line between U.S. and Australia with sunny successor. She knew the Eagles growing up, but not Styx.

Imagine saying "Domo aragoto Mr. Roboto" to an English-speaking person over 35 and them replying with "The fuck did you just say?" It was magic.

pplains, Thursday, 22 August 2013 22:14 (three years ago) Permalink

Yeah Mr Veg gets a huge kick out of that too. Did Sunny know Journey? I didn't really know them either

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 22 August 2013 22:15 (three years ago) Permalink

i used to love to watch the paul hogan show when i was a kid even though i had no idea who they were making fun of. rolf harris jokes and the like.

scott seward, Thursday, 22 August 2013 22:20 (three years ago) Permalink

i remember hoges showing his butt on latenight tv once

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 22 August 2013 22:21 (three years ago) Permalink

"Those are all real words, but that sign makes no sense."

A Made Man In The Mellow Mafia (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 22 August 2013 22:31 (three years ago) Permalink

No Journey. No Boston either.

pplains, Thursday, 22 August 2013 23:20 (three years ago) Permalink

I can't do this and the Elton thing at the same time

I meant I can't willfully force myself to listen to this much crap in one day. at some point I have to listen to something I know I'm going to actually enjoy

what's up ugly girls? (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 22 August 2013 23:24 (three years ago) Permalink

This is only a track a day commitment tho.

A Made Man In The Mellow Mafia (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 22 August 2013 23:27 (three years ago) Permalink

yeah but I just listened to 25 Elton John songs in a row

what's up ugly girls? (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 22 August 2013 23:31 (three years ago) Permalink

this is the thread that i deserve

everything I do is funky like Debussy (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 22 August 2013 23:38 (three years ago) Permalink

Dang I was so excited about this thread but I didn't notice it'd been launched til today! Got all caught up on the train home just now (during which take it easy played 5x, witchay woman 3x, chug all night 1x).

Chug thoughts:

-I like how during the verses there's like no treble information at all. The guitars stay way down low with the bass and it actually does sound kind of sick. But it's unusual to hear this kind of thing recorded so immaculately. Imagine if the first boc lp was engineered like this!
-during the verses I do get a first 2 boc albums vibe tho not from the vox obv. I guess that fits with the steppenwolf thing too.
-is it weird that this lp has two tracks in a row where sex changes your color? Red in ww, black and blue here.
-this is nowhere near worst eagles song territory. Not with ***spoiler alert*** James dean and Greeks and hole in the fkin world in the mix.

Spot Lange (Jon Lewis), Friday, 23 August 2013 00:29 (three years ago) Permalink

-is it weird that this lp has two tracks in a row where sex changes your color? Red in ww, black and blue here.

I thought this, too! What is their deal with having sex to the point of minor skin injury? And using dumb euphemisms for sex, too. I really hope the next song has a lyric about bebopping until they get calluses.

Lawyer... SUAVE... (carl agatha), Friday, 23 August 2013 00:33 (three years ago) Permalink

Yellow calluses, if the pattern holds.

Spot Lange (Jon Lewis), Friday, 23 August 2013 00:47 (three years ago) Permalink

I hate to say it, but James Dean gets in my head at least once a week.

Reading all about that new Lindsey Lohan movie? James Deen, byur-nur-chur-churk, James Deen, why do you have to be so mean?

Those probably aren't the lyrics, but hey.

pplains, Friday, 23 August 2013 00:49 (three years ago) Permalink

There are a couple of songs on Steppenwolf's Skullduggery (most notably the title track) that sound a lot like BOC. Of course, there are other songs that sound like '70s Waylon Jennings. And there's a jazz-disco-funk instrumental that closes the whole thing out. It's a really weird album.

誤訳侮辱, Friday, 23 August 2013 00:55 (three years ago) Permalink

James Dean sounds so much worse than you expect, even with the title. Chug at least meets expectations

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 23 August 2013 00:57 (three years ago) Permalink

(during which take it easy played 5x, witchay woman 3x, chug all night 1x)

seems like the appropriate arc for this exercise so far

call all destroyer, Friday, 23 August 2013 01:33 (three years ago) Permalink

take it easy 5x
witchay woman 3x
chug all night 1x
profit?

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 23 August 2013 01:41 (three years ago) Permalink

Tbf chug came just before I got home so there was no option of encoring it even had I wished to.

James Dean
James Dean
Why does your skin have that sheen?

Spot Lange (Jon Lewis), Friday, 23 August 2013 01:44 (three years ago) Permalink

let's not get ahead of ourselves

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 23 August 2013 01:45 (three years ago) Permalink

I wish I knew Glenn Frey's phone number. I would randomly drunk dial him every now and then and just play a chorus of Chug All Night and then hang up.

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 23 August 2013 01:46 (three years ago) Permalink

lol

call all destroyer, Friday, 23 August 2013 01:47 (three years ago) Permalink

this thread is insane, i love you guys

"Witchy Woman"'s intro sounds heavier than i remembered it, this is really one of the only Eagles hits i'd really just totally dismissed out of hand anymore but it sounds pretty good right now. and i hate to be that guy projecting indie cred, but i swear i can hear noted '70s soft rock aficionado Steve Shelley copping a very specific fill in this song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZ_DEH9GHfI

some dude, Friday, 23 August 2013 01:59 (three years ago) Permalink

"Fingers?!?! Is that you, you sonofabitch?!!!"

Spot Lange (Jon Lewis), Friday, 23 August 2013 01:59 (three years ago) Permalink

Xpost

Spot Lange (Jon Lewis), Friday, 23 August 2013 01:59 (three years ago) Permalink

lol I should spoof Felder's number to make the calls :D

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 23 August 2013 02:01 (three years ago) Permalink

God my ears need an edema. Glen keep using "chug" as the blueprint for everything you record.

I'll take the jangle-jangle over the throb-throb (brg30), Friday, 23 August 2013 02:19 (three years ago) Permalink

THE CHUG IS..... ON

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 23 August 2013 02:20 (three years ago) Permalink

"It's the politics of contraband/It's the Chuggler's Blues"

A Made Man In The Mellow Mafia (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 23 August 2013 02:23 (three years ago) Permalink

Hey Scott, according to discogs Timbuk3 have 7 albums& 12 eps / singles.
http://www.discogs.com/artist/Timbuk+3

I'll take the jangle-jangle over the throb-throb (brg30), Friday, 23 August 2013 02:26 (three years ago) Permalink

CHUG OVER IT CHUG OVER IT

Shart Week (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 23 August 2013 02:27 (three years ago) Permalink

"It's the politics of contraband/It's the Chuggler's Blues"

Perfection.

Spot Lange (Jon Lewis), Friday, 23 August 2013 02:29 (three years ago) Permalink

"What a neighbor
Thanks for the favor
She's a very chuggy girl"

A Made Man In The Mellow Mafia (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 23 August 2013 02:31 (three years ago) Permalink

the kind u don't bring home to mother

everything I do is funky like Debussy (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 23 August 2013 02:38 (three years ago) Permalink

BTW, the "Standing On A Corner" in Winslow is just a facade - the building burned down several years ago. It's just a wall surrounded by Route 66 tourist junk.

http://www.koocanusapublications.com/rvwest_test/images/uploads/park1.jpg

Elvis Telecom, Friday, 23 August 2013 02:43 (three years ago) Permalink

You can chug out anytime you like
But you can never leave

Shart Week (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 23 August 2013 02:43 (three years ago) Permalink

xpost haha that's even weirder

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 23 August 2013 02:44 (three years ago) Permalink

"Chug All Night" would sound like great sludge as a 45 rpm slowed down to 33 1/3. Also, nice of them not to finish the song with a harmonica flourish at the very end.

As long as we're revisiting "Take It Easy", I'll say that for the past two days I've been thinking "It's a girl my lord and a fat Rob Ford slowing down to take a look at me."

cookin' with bad (Eazy), Friday, 23 August 2013 02:49 (three years ago) Permalink

someone get REALLY drunk and listen to chug all night and tell us how it sounds. for science. i ain't doing it.

scott seward, Friday, 23 August 2013 02:58 (three years ago) Permalink

xpost haha that's even weirder

Symbolic of The Eagles. Fake empty authenticism

Elvis Telecom, Friday, 23 August 2013 03:00 (three years ago) Permalink

someone get REALLY drunk and listen to chug all night and tell us how it sounds. for science. i ain't doing it.

― scott seward, Thursday, August 22, 2013 10:58 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i've been drinking a bit but not that much

call all destroyer, Friday, 23 August 2013 03:01 (three years ago) Permalink

Being a member of a particular secret mailing that was popular in the mid-90s is giving me spectacular laughs. Thank you all!

Elvis Telecom, Friday, 23 August 2013 03:04 (three years ago) Permalink

I'm drunk right now, but I'm listening to Duke Ellington. Turning him off to put on an Eagles song is a level of sacrilege I'm not prepared to experience and/or comprehend.

Shart Week (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 23 August 2013 03:09 (three years ago) Permalink

What a strange, strange, strange Google Street View capture.

http://i.imgur.com/9h9m2MN.jpg

You hear that? There's that bridge to "Witchay Woman" again.

pplains, Friday, 23 August 2013 03:13 (three years ago) Permalink

Songwriters: FREY, GLENN LEWIS
Most of us are sad
No one lets it show
I've been shadows of myself
How was I to know?
Tell me scarlet sun
What will time allow?
We have brought our children
Here who can save them now?
Oh, weeping woman try to smile
Like the coming dawn
Most of us are sad it's true
Still we must go on
Love was here today
Oh the sun was bright
I will sing you faraway
Love is here tonight
Most of us are sad
No one lets it show
I've been shadows of myself
How was I to know?

scott seward, Friday, 23 August 2013 11:27 (three years ago) Permalink

"Randy Meisner appears on this album but was asked to leave the band shortly before the record was released. Meisner's exit was a result of his anger from being excluded (at Furay's insistence) from participation in the final mix playback sessions for the record, as only Messina and Furay were to complete the production. His image was removed from the painting on the album's cover, and replaced with the dog seen at the far left. His bass parts and backing vocals were left in the mix, but his lead vocals were removed, and new versions were sung by George Grantham."

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/88/Poco_1969.jpg

scott seward, Friday, 23 August 2013 11:31 (three years ago) Permalink

replaced with the dog
replaced with the dog
replaced with the dog
replaced with the dog
replaced with the dog
replaced with the dog
replaced with the dog
replaced with the dog

scott seward, Friday, 23 August 2013 11:32 (three years ago) Permalink

intimations of randy meisner singing three dog night's "easy to be hard"

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 23 August 2013 11:32 (three years ago) Permalink

that guitar sure does sound pretty though.

scott seward, Friday, 23 August 2013 11:33 (three years ago) Permalink

Zylon Tex 1 month ago
Just for the record, I've seen the Eagles documentary, I know all the sordid detail; Randy Meisner didn't walk out on the band, he was driven away by toxicity and ominousity, hostility of those who shall not be named
Amazing musician, mad respect

scott seward, Friday, 23 August 2013 11:36 (three years ago) Permalink

i meant that in a good way! in an early morning reverie imagining golden smog covered "most of us are sad" too on their first EP

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 23 August 2013 11:37 (three years ago) Permalink

it could be a Low song.

scott seward, Friday, 23 August 2013 11:40 (three years ago) Permalink

how's his stuff after he left the eagles?

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 23 August 2013 11:43 (three years ago) Permalink

"In 1988, a man named Lewis Peter "Buddy" Morgan started impersonating Meisner. He had previously been charged with impersonating Don Henley in Las Vegas, but skipped on his bail. Morgan's identity was not conclusively revealed until 1997. In 1998, he was arrested and spent 16 months in jail, but upon his release continued his charade and was still doing so as of 2009. In Reno, Nevada, he tried to use Meisner's identity to rent hotel rooms. He was not as successful as before with the ruse, since area hotels had notified each other of the impostor. Some people are not familiar with Meisner's appearance, and Morgan used that fact to con musical instrument manufacturers and retailers, casino owners, and women."

scott seward, Friday, 23 August 2013 11:48 (three years ago) Permalink

this is a sleepy little number. harmless i guess. i like randy's voice. the lyrics are.....weird.

call all destroyer, Friday, 23 August 2013 13:17 (three years ago) Permalink

Hey, Zylon. GET OVER IT.

pplains, Friday, 23 August 2013 13:20 (three years ago) Permalink

The eclecticism continues. I really like this, to my surprise - I'd never go for such a dirge normally. It struck me as quite hymnlike at first, though I hear the country now. It's quite protestant in its plainness. The instrumentation is refined and the harmonies are lovely, and it resists the temptation to big up too much - a lesser band would've choired it up or done something horrid. Instead this is nice.

Ismael Klata, Friday, 23 August 2013 13:21 (three years ago) Permalink

Pickin Up the Pieces reminds me of

http://images.uulyrics.com/cover/t/the-byrds/album-the-notorious-byrd-brothers.jpg

(I know it's probably apocryphal, but that doesn't stop me.)

pplains, Friday, 23 August 2013 13:22 (three years ago) Permalink

i love pickin' up the pieces. one of the great post-byrds albums. lots of people who love byrds have never heard it. its up there for me with byrds and the grape and the buffalo.

scott seward, Friday, 23 August 2013 13:25 (three years ago) Permalink

that's a horse

Ismael Klata, Friday, 23 August 2013 13:26 (three years ago) Permalink

sure looks like david crosby to me.

pplains, Friday, 23 August 2013 13:26 (three years ago) Permalink

In the doc Meisner looks 100 years older than his former bandmates.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 23 August 2013 13:29 (three years ago) Permalink

I actually like this. It's pretty and... sad. Agree that the lyrics are weird probably because they are missing a line about sex and skin conditions, but even in their weirdness and clumsiness they are wistful in melancholy way.

in an early morning reverie imagining golden smog covered "most of us are sad" too on their first EP

― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, August 23, 2013 11:37 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

That is OTM. I would probably listen to that a lot.

Lawyer... SUAVE... (carl agatha), Friday, 23 August 2013 13:29 (three years ago) Permalink

This is pretty, but the monotony of the vocal melody/phrasing doesn't work for me. I guess it is supposed to have a hymn-like quality, but it seems more like a nice country song gone wrong.

Brad C., Friday, 23 August 2013 13:50 (three years ago) Permalink

It's a chuggerly little song but I just like it rather than chug it.

Spot Lange (Jon Lewis), Friday, 23 August 2013 14:05 (three years ago) Permalink

reminds me a little of Big Star!

scott seward, Friday, 23 August 2013 14:09 (three years ago) Permalink

Ha, I was just thinking that! Kinda like "Try Again."

Shart Week (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 23 August 2013 14:11 (three years ago) Permalink

if it had more echo and sounded generally more fucked up it could be a sister lovers track.

scott seward, Friday, 23 August 2013 14:12 (three years ago) Permalink

I'm glad you two have the weekend to think about what you just said.

pplains, Friday, 23 August 2013 14:12 (three years ago) Permalink

especially that guitar break at about 2:16 with the harmonies behind it.

scott seward, Friday, 23 August 2013 14:13 (three years ago) Permalink

ha! i know but its kinda true!

scott seward, Friday, 23 August 2013 14:13 (three years ago) Permalink

come on that guitar solo! its totes bigstarian.

scott seward, Friday, 23 August 2013 14:19 (three years ago) Permalink

Are we not doing songs on the weekends too? C'mon, we neeeeed sweet Eagles tunage on Saturday and Sunday

some dude, Friday, 23 August 2013 14:20 (three years ago) Permalink

i'll do weekends. i'm at work on saturday so i always have time. and sunday i'm just sleepy and lazy in the morning so again plenty of time. it ain't brain surgery.

i swear if ivo had put this song on a this mortal coil album in the 80's the eagles would have more love from indie rockers.

scott seward, Friday, 23 August 2013 14:25 (three years ago) Permalink

If there were ever a perfect song to be sung by a ruthless drug kingpin in his private karaoke lair...

The Bridges of Witchy Woman (Eazy), Friday, 23 August 2013 14:28 (three years ago) Permalink

the production/sound/harmonies are great

but the melody and song itself are really pedestrian and not great

the main "Most....of...us.....are sad" part is really lame IMO, stilted and not good phrasing

like a lot of eagles songs it succeeds in reminding me of songs/artists i like way more than the eagles

but yeah i mean the band could make records, they sound good, but they generally sound really good/pro so i'm not inclined to give them that much credit for that

everything I do is funky like Debussy (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 23 August 2013 14:39 (three years ago) Permalink

yeah the overall feel is v nice, randy has a lovely voice imo
and I like the sound of the guitar -- is it mixed with a keyboard or is that a specific type of guitar that sounds like that?

but the song sorta sounds like a low-budget christmas carol or a nursery rhyme. it's a bit of a plodder. but certainly a nice palate cleanser after all that chugging *burp*

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 23 August 2013 15:43 (three years ago) Permalink

yeah he's got a nice voice

just saying i mean these guys are pros! but lots of bands in the 70s were pros, records sounded good then, people could play and sing, so i'm saying we can't endlessly give them credit for being real polished and good at playing, you can't compare it to how records sound like shit now

everything I do is funky like Debussy (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 23 August 2013 15:50 (three years ago) Permalink

Are we not doing songs on the weekends too? C'mon, we neeeeed sweet Eagles tunage on Saturday and Sunday

Really, this thread should be active exclusively on the weekends.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 23 August 2013 15:58 (three years ago) Permalink

Another very "first album" song, in the sense that they're just beginning to mine something that'll soon pay off in AM/FM Gold.

A Made Man In The Mellow Mafia (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 23 August 2013 16:02 (three years ago) Permalink

show of hands, how many of us are sad

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 23 August 2013 16:02 (three years ago) Permalink

beat me to it - this sounds like the sort of thing that could make the cut only on their first album, made before they knew they'd become huge. Likable enough but forgetable, not exactly loaded with hooks.

Horse on the Notorious Byrd Brothers coincidental btw, just happened to stick his head out before the picture was taken. McGuinn said had he thought in advance about it representing the departed Crosby, he would have has the had the horse facing the other way....

x2 re: Pickin' Up The Pieces

Lee626, Friday, 23 August 2013 16:12 (three years ago) Permalink

at least they didn't turn david crosby into a dog! i still can't believe they turned the poor guy into a dog...

scott seward, Friday, 23 August 2013 16:13 (three years ago) Permalink

Having never met either, I assume Crosby is a dick and Meisner isn't.

Shart Week (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 23 August 2013 16:14 (three years ago) Permalink

notorious bryd bros. is such a great album

everything I do is funky like Debussy (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 23 August 2013 16:15 (three years ago) Permalink

last Buffalo Springfield album cover a weird one too - they couldn't get the band all together at the same time, so an unrelated photo of Neil was sort of pasted on next to the rest of the group.

Lee626, Friday, 23 August 2013 16:16 (three years ago) Permalink

yeah what's with those mellow guys they have more problems than anyone when it comes to working with each other.

scott seward, Friday, 23 August 2013 16:18 (three years ago) Permalink

they all know stephen stills. that's their first mistake.

scott seward, Friday, 23 August 2013 16:18 (three years ago) Permalink

all of these bands had no clear leader and lots of songwriters, which caused contention

Lee626, Friday, 23 August 2013 16:21 (three years ago) Permalink

Speaking of lots of songwriters, this track reminds me of

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdRgdiSizFE

Brad C., Friday, 23 August 2013 16:22 (three years ago) Permalink

notorious bryd bros. is such a great album

So so so great. Top 5 sixties rock lp IMO. Maybe better than forever changes or village green.

Spot Lange (Jon Lewis), Friday, 23 August 2013 16:22 (three years ago) Permalink

@veg the guitar is going through a rotating Leslie speaker giving it that keyboardy tone and it's the best thing about this really bad song.

29 facepalms, Friday, 23 August 2013 16:25 (three years ago) Permalink

yeah it sounds really cool!

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 23 August 2013 16:26 (three years ago) Permalink

fyi this doesn't even rate in the universe of bad Eagles songs. there's SO much worse ahead of us.

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 23 August 2013 16:27 (three years ago) Permalink

Randy Meisner's old man crazy long mullett hair is awesome

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 23 August 2013 16:27 (three years ago) Permalink

yeah what's with those mellow guys they have more problems than anyone when it comes to working with each other.

― scott seward, Friday, August 23, 2013 12:18 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I thought the whole "Long night at Wrong Beach" thing was hilarious. "Three more songs and I'm gonna kick your ass"? Fuck, the Who or the Kinks wouldn't wait for three songs, or three seconds. They'd just start beating the shit out of each other on stage.

Shart Week (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 23 August 2013 16:30 (three years ago) Permalink

Meisner always had the worst hair in The Eagles, which is some achievement

Ismael Klata, Friday, 23 August 2013 16:31 (three years ago) Permalink

henley's fro is something else, growing up with 90's floppy hair henley I had no idea that's what his hair looked like

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 23 August 2013 16:34 (three years ago) Permalink

yeah what's with those mellow guys they have more problems than anyone when it comes to working with each other.

Starts with D and ends with Rugs.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 23 August 2013 16:46 (three years ago) Permalink

money, coke, and suitcases full of valium

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 23 August 2013 16:47 (three years ago) Permalink

Suitcases full of assholes.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 23 August 2013 16:51 (three years ago) Permalink

Gross.

Lawyer... SUAVE... (carl agatha), Friday, 23 August 2013 16:54 (three years ago) Permalink

Frey: Hey, do you offer an asshole discount?
Henley: Yeah, me too!
Crosby: Can I get one also? By the way, you are a jerk.
Henley: You are a bigger jerk!
Frey: I'm not a jerk at all, but if I were a jerk, I'd be a bigger jerk than either of you, and better, too!
Henley: That's because you work harder at it.
Frey: Damn right! I've earned the right to be a jerk! When you put in the hours like I have, you get to be as big of a jerk as you want.
Henley: Fine, be a big jerk, then.
Frey: So you admit it? Then I deserve more money.
Henley: Jerk.
Crosby: Hey, has anyone seen my suitcase?
Frey to Henley, softly, gesturing to Crosby: What an asshole ...
Henley: Totally.

Guys in Steely Dan to Warren Zevon and Randy Newman: What a bunch of jerks. We should write a mean song about them.
Zevon: What did you say about me? (does drugs) I'm going to write a song about you assholes!

Buckingham: Did someone say asshole?

Newman: I'm not going to say a goddamn thing ...

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 23 August 2013 16:57 (three years ago) Permalink

lool

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 23 August 2013 17:00 (three years ago) Permalink

Did Stills not get an invite to that asshole salon?

A Made Man In The Mellow Mafia (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 23 August 2013 17:01 (three years ago) Permalink

Too big of an asshole.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 23 August 2013 17:01 (three years ago) Permalink

he was at the bar

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 23 August 2013 17:02 (three years ago) Permalink

meanwhile James Taylor is cashing his asshole chips on the road

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 23 August 2013 17:02 (three years ago) Permalink

Stills: Hey, what about me?
A bunch of assholes: Oh, sorry, your invitation must have gotten lost in the mail. Are you still in Buffalo Springfield?
Stills: No, that band broke up years ago.
Assholes: Oh, that explains why it got returned, then.
Stills: So, wait, you knew I didn't get an invitation?
Assholes: No. We never sent you one. Collective mea culpa.
Stills: You assholes.

James Taylor, sitting in a canoe, strumming his guitar and humming a song: "mmm, hmm-hmm, something about assholes, hmm-mm, mmmm ...." (sets down guitar and does drugs)

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 23 August 2013 17:05 (three years ago) Permalink

Irving Azoff: I'm charging $500 a head for you to witness the once in A lifetime reunion of assholes.

Parking is free.

A Made Man In The Mellow Mafia (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 23 August 2013 17:09 (three years ago) Permalink

$20 service charge and $3 facilities charge per ticket.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 23 August 2013 17:10 (three years ago) Permalink

Jann Wenner: I would like to induct all of you into the Rock N Rol Hall of Assholes-er Fame

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 23 August 2013 17:13 (three years ago) Permalink

JD Southern: Hey dudes, I brought nachos!

A Made Man In The Mellow Mafia (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 23 August 2013 17:18 (three years ago) Permalink

Gotta get ray "women can't rock" manzarek in there

Spot Lange (Jon Lewis), Friday, 23 August 2013 17:48 (three years ago) Permalink

And granddaddy asshole Mike Love.

A Made Man In The Mellow Mafia (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 23 August 2013 17:49 (three years ago) Permalink

"i'm gonna carve you up and make you eat your own liver..."

http://www.therollingstoneyears.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/197_James-Taylor-69375-13.jpg

scott seward, Friday, 23 August 2013 18:03 (three years ago) Permalink

"I'm with stupid."

http://timeentertainment.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/james-taylor.jpg?w=720

scott seward, Friday, 23 August 2013 18:04 (three years ago) Permalink

xpost LOL

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 23 August 2013 18:04 (three years ago) Permalink

"glurrrrrglllslazzzzzzzz..."

http://usir.salford.ac.uk/27139/1/James-Taylor_low.jpg

scott seward, Friday, 23 August 2013 18:05 (three years ago) Permalink

former Apple recording star plotting the murder of John Lennon:

http://beatlephotoblog.com/photos/2011/09/135.jpg

scott seward, Friday, 23 August 2013 18:10 (three years ago) Permalink

okay sorry i'll stop.

scott seward, Friday, 23 August 2013 18:10 (three years ago) Permalink

"I'm with stupid" made me snortOL.

Lawyer... SUAVE... (carl agatha), Friday, 23 August 2013 18:15 (three years ago) Permalink

no keep going yr killing me scott

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 23 August 2013 18:19 (three years ago) Permalink

the fuck?!

Shart Week (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 23 August 2013 18:35 (three years ago) Permalink

Wow.

Lawyer... SUAVE... (carl agatha), Friday, 23 August 2013 18:36 (three years ago) Permalink

Is there a story behind that (beyond "CAN are assholes")?

Shart Week (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 23 August 2013 18:36 (three years ago) Permalink

can you make that can cover with the eagles on it instead of can? i'll bet you could.

scott seward, Friday, 23 August 2013 18:41 (three years ago) Permalink

Kinda weird how much Taylor looks like Billy Crudup in Almost Famous.

Domo Arigato, Demi Lovato (Phil D.), Friday, 23 August 2013 18:42 (three years ago) Permalink

Don't make me wonder who the Malcolm Mooney of the Eagles was.

pplains, Friday, 23 August 2013 18:43 (three years ago) Permalink

Damn, too late.

pplains, Friday, 23 August 2013 18:43 (three years ago) Permalink

Meisner always had the worst hair in The Eagles, which is some achievement

― Ismael Klata, Friday, August 23, 2013 12:31 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Leadon by far the best.

One Way Ticket on the 1277 Express (Bill Magill), Friday, 23 August 2013 18:46 (three years ago) Permalink

The Very Best of Stalin

The Bridges of Witchy Woman (Eazy), Friday, 23 August 2013 19:24 (three years ago) Permalink

"Most of Us (including Stalin) Are Sad"

A Made Man In The Mellow Mafia (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 23 August 2013 19:26 (three years ago) Permalink

Witchy Stalin
Take it Stalin

Lawyer... SUAVE... (carl agatha), Friday, 23 August 2013 19:28 (three years ago) Permalink

Best of My Stalin

A Made Man In The Mellow Mafia (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 23 August 2013 19:29 (three years ago) Permalink

Hotel Kremlinfornia

Domo Arigato, Demi Lovato (Phil D.), Friday, 23 August 2013 19:30 (three years ago) Permalink

I do believe we could chug all night
I believe we could hug Stalin all night

Lawyer... SUAVE... (carl agatha), Friday, 23 August 2013 19:31 (three years ago) Permalink

Joe Stalin, Joe Stalin
Too Fast To Live, Too Young To Die
Bye Bye

A Made Man In The Mellow Mafia (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 23 August 2013 19:34 (three years ago) Permalink

in high school a friend and I changed the lyrics of "Let'Em In" to:

Joseph Stalin
Mao Zedong
Leo Trotsky
all sing along

Fidel Castro
Idi Amin
Vladimir
LENNNNNIIIINNNNN
(ooh yeah)

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 23 August 2013 19:36 (three years ago) Permalink

Frey = Stalin
Henley = Lenin
Felder = Molotov
Souther = Trotsky
Walsh = Mikoyan
Azoff = ?
Leadon = ?
Schmitt = ?

Elvis Telecom, Friday, 23 August 2013 19:38 (three years ago) Permalink

http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/5359/ecdg.jpg

Young Stalin would've looked amazing on the Desperado cover

Ismael Klata, Friday, 23 August 2013 19:39 (three years ago) Permalink

Would read a Dostoyevsky knock-off set in the 1970s Los Angeles music scene

Elvis Telecom, Friday, 23 August 2013 19:42 (three years ago) Permalink

The Laurel Depths

The Bridges of Witchy Woman (Eazy), Friday, 23 August 2013 19:47 (three years ago) Permalink

Schmitt = Akhmatova

Spot Lange (Jon Lewis), Friday, 23 August 2013 19:53 (three years ago) Permalink

Crosby, Stills & Punishment

Ismael Klata, Friday, 23 August 2013 19:54 (three years ago) Permalink

young stalin remarkably dashing, I must say

what's up ugly girls? (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 23 August 2013 19:59 (three years ago) Permalink

Trying to figure out who the Rasputin is in all of this.

Elvis Telecom, Friday, 23 August 2013 20:00 (three years ago) Permalink

tom waits?

everything I do is funky like Debussy (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 23 August 2013 20:02 (three years ago) Permalink

Maybe Zevon?

Elvis Telecom, Friday, 23 August 2013 20:03 (three years ago) Permalink

I like where this thread goes when there's not that much to say about the song of the day.

Lawyer... SUAVE... (carl agatha), Friday, 23 August 2013 20:04 (three years ago) Permalink

Azoff's gotta be Rasputin, surely

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 23 August 2013 20:07 (three years ago) Permalink

duh...

David Geffen = Rasputin.

Elvis Telecom, Friday, 23 August 2013 20:10 (three years ago) Permalink

the spritual godfather of el-lay decadence. and you just couldn't kill him.

scott seward, Friday, 23 August 2013 20:11 (three years ago) Permalink

plus, geffen doesn't look nefarious enough.

scott seward, Friday, 23 August 2013 20:11 (three years ago) Permalink

oh shit of course

john the wolfking of l.a. is such a great record

everything I do is funky like Debussy (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 23 August 2013 20:11 (three years ago) Permalink

Dennis Wilson has to play a role in this. And Harry Nilsson, too. Basically, someone needs to do a '70s L.A. "Velvet Goldmine"/"24 Hour Party People." With everyone played by British or Australian actors.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 23 August 2013 20:45 (three years ago) Permalink

would watch

what's up ugly girls? (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 23 August 2013 20:58 (three years ago) Permalink

The Beach Boys did shows w/the Eagles in the mid-'70s.

A Made Man In The Mellow Mafia (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 23 August 2013 21:00 (three years ago) Permalink

I bet Glenn Frey taught them a thing or two about harmony, says Glenn Frey.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 23 August 2013 21:05 (three years ago) Permalink

Wilson to Frey: hey man I was working out this song with 'chugging' as kind of a theme I'm kickin around, you wanna hear it?
Frey: dude I already wrote a song about that!
Wilson: aw man you have the best ideas!

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 23 August 2013 21:18 (three years ago) Permalink

Show me weirdos + Glenn Frey.

A Made Man In The Mellow Mafia (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 23 August 2013 21:19 (three years ago) Permalink

Mike Love sued Glenn Frey over the rights to 'chug', as he'd written "Chug A Lug" (re:roof beer) in 1962.

A Made Man In The Mellow Mafia (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 23 August 2013 21:21 (three years ago) Permalink

I wonder if Walsh aside these guys still drink? I imagine Henley getting sloppy drunk after a solo cup of warm pinot grigio.

(the drinking habits of aging rockers fascinate me)

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 23 August 2013 21:25 (three years ago) Permalink

Xpost Mike Love sued Roger Miller too. He won't rest til he's the Chugmaster.

A Made Man In The Mellow Mafia (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 23 August 2013 21:28 (three years ago) Permalink

Later bulked out Frey is on some joe piscopo level of gross

Spot Lange (Jon Lewis), Friday, 23 August 2013 22:17 (three years ago) Permalink

The Beach Boys did shows w/the Eagles in the mid-'70s.

as you probably know, it gets more tangled than that too - Dennis dated Christine McVie (not sure if this was around the same time Frey got with Nicks). John Phillips has a cowrite on Kokomo etc.

what's up ugly girls? (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 23 August 2013 22:21 (three years ago) Permalink

You guys notice how neither Frey nor Henley has many solo songwriting credits?

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 23 August 2013 22:21 (three years ago) Permalink

Xpost Henley got with Nicks (aborted baby Sara) and she also was with JD Souther around the same time.

A Made Man In The Mellow Mafia (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 23 August 2013 22:54 (three years ago) Permalink

ah, right

what's up ugly girls? (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 23 August 2013 22:56 (three years ago) Permalink

I imagine Lindsey probably pissed on Don's lawn somewhere in that timeline.

A Made Man In The Mellow Mafia (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 23 August 2013 22:58 (three years ago) Permalink

Love em and Lear em

Spot Lange (Jon Lewis), Friday, 23 August 2013 23:04 (three years ago) Permalink

"You guys notice how neither Frey nor Henley has many solo songwriting credits?"

as mentioned upthread, we have now listened to the two eagles tracks with solo frey writing credits. i think.

scott seward, Friday, 23 August 2013 23:52 (three years ago) Permalink

Frey needs an editor to de-chug his lyrics.

A Made Man In The Mellow Mafia (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 23 August 2013 23:57 (three years ago) Permalink

as mentioned upthread, we have now listened to the two eagles tracks with solo frey writing credits. i think.

― scott seward, Friday, August 23, 2013 7:52 PM

yeah and that's it! No solos until a song called "All Those Lies" in '82.

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 24 August 2013 00:31 (three years ago) Permalink

I wish you guys could have heard "Living in Darkness" from The Allnighter (1984). The most frightening, unconvincing falsetto I've ever heard.

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 24 August 2013 00:39 (three years ago) Permalink

I've got a project for the weekend, just letting you all know.

https://sphotos-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/p480x480/397006_545012168868121_340575375_n.jpg

pplains, Saturday, 24 August 2013 05:08 (three years ago) Permalink

the spritual godfather of el-lay decadence. and you just couldn't kill him.

HOLY SHIT

Kicking myself that I forgot him. Wolf King is a great record, but hooboy has he left an evil shadow on this town.

Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 24 August 2013 05:14 (three years ago) Permalink

The Zevon book desperately needs an index, but there is a Who's Who at the back and under the "Henley, Don" entry is this

Warren's relationship with Don was strange. When discussing whether or not he wanted a funeral, Warren said, "I just don't want to have to spend my last days wondering if Henley will show up." Henley didn't, but Timothy Schmidt did.

Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 24 August 2013 05:19 (three years ago) Permalink

Also, am I the only one self-conscious enough to turn off my Last.fm tagging when reading this thread?

Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 24 August 2013 05:26 (three years ago) Permalink

bwahaha

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 24 August 2013 05:33 (three years ago) Permalink

shame shame we know your name

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 24 August 2013 05:35 (three years ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wm-o7_VVAoU

Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 24 August 2013 05:43 (three years ago) Permalink

if only we had listened to mojo

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 24 August 2013 05:45 (three years ago) Permalink

a line in that Mojo song reminded me of that brief time in the late '80s when Henley turned into Timothy B. Schmidt (or, "The Ponytail Years")

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/89/254840967_23dcb0527f.jpg

http://i924.photobucket.com/albums/ad88/whitcap91/Don/dhjapan89aswtdid-1.jpg

A Made Man In The Mellow Mafia (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 24 August 2013 06:05 (three years ago) Permalink

For some reason, this photo of Sonny reacting to Glenn's suggestion they change the name of the show to "Frey-ami Vice" came up too:

http://content9.flixster.com/question/66/91/19/6691195_std.jpg

A Made Man In The Mellow Mafia (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 24 August 2013 06:08 (three years ago) Permalink

i wonder what his career would have been like if he had kept his creepy 'fro

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 24 August 2013 06:08 (three years ago) Permalink

xpost LOL

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 24 August 2013 06:09 (three years ago) Permalink

ok ok

how about Miami Chuggin?

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 24 August 2013 06:09 (three years ago) Permalink

this song is lame.

scott seward, Saturday, 24 August 2013 13:18 (three years ago) Permalink

i think this is actually the first time so far where listening to one of these songs my immediate response is: LAME.

scott seward, Saturday, 24 August 2013 13:19 (three years ago) Permalink

They cut this after the initial sessions because the label wanted "More Henley". You can also see why Browne didn't put this out himself.

A Made Man In The Mellow Mafia (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 24 August 2013 13:33 (three years ago) Permalink

in that eagle-hating salon article i defended eagles when that guy called them lowest common denominator but i don't know why i would bother when i listen to something like this. or chug for that matter.

scott seward, Saturday, 24 August 2013 13:38 (three years ago) Permalink

this song needed like 6 more months in the woodshed

call all destroyer, Saturday, 24 August 2013 14:02 (three years ago) Permalink

jesus christ this song is like watching the lawn in front of my house die

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 24 August 2013 14:02 (three years ago) Permalink

This is okay but no particular reason why it should pass any cut. A bit strange that it makes it onto the same album as Take It Easy, let alone Witchy Woman which genuinely does have a touch of genius about it. If you took the vocals off, the verse-and-choruses are what a computer might come up with if you programmed it to play rock & roll.

But it does take wing for thirty seconds at 2:58 from "I get so low, and my mind's about to go ... but wait a minute". I like this a lot, there's some genuine yearning there - if that's been turned into a song it'd've worked fine. As it is, it should be a decent b-side.

Ismael Klata, Saturday, 24 August 2013 14:04 (three years ago) Permalink

Maria heard witchay woman at Home Depot yesterday. this might be a good place to post if you hear an eagles song in the wild.

scott seward, Saturday, 24 August 2013 14:09 (three years ago) Permalink

i would love to hear Browne sing this. it totally has his melodic sense but it would only sound particularly good in his voice, unlike "Take It Easy."

some dude, Saturday, 24 August 2013 15:18 (three years ago) Permalink

it's just the same old murder movie
but they call it the news

Dig 'em when they're up. Dig 'em when they're down.

pplains, Saturday, 24 August 2013 17:43 (three years ago) Permalink

Get a very demo vibe off this, a track a band throws onto the tape just to show they have more than four songs. The inert opening vamp is just ... nothing.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 24 August 2013 17:51 (three years ago) Permalink

Opening riff reminds me of the riff in Jesus Mary Chain's 'Sometimes Always'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WL0269xbykQ (start at 1.57)

I don't mind this, it's just that it doesn't really go anywhere for me. I kept waiting for a build or a hook or a something but it just kept going.

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 24 August 2013 18:09 (three years ago) Permalink

would it be rude of me to suggest that you guys do the youtube link thing instead of the embed thing too? i just kinda like the idea of this thread being one thread, but i guess we could have a part 2. it could get kinda impossible with a million vids on here. says the guy who throws fifty million youtube videos onto a million threads.

scott seward, Saturday, 24 August 2013 19:07 (three years ago) Permalink

Wooo that song is bad but also I forgot how it even went the second it was over so it's kind of ultimately neutral I guess.

Lawyer... SUAVE... (carl agatha), Saturday, 24 August 2013 19:31 (three years ago) Permalink

bah, this band, but i'll read this thread periodically till you get to their version of steve young's seven bridges road and their song the sad cafe.

Daniel, Esq 2, Saturday, 24 August 2013 19:48 (three years ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcYY-7AqOeo

banjoboy, Saturday, 24 August 2013 19:56 (three years ago) Permalink

Agree no embeds fwiw. I want this thread to be openable so's one of us can print it out when it's done and bury it one night in a time capsule on Henley's ranch.

Ismael Klata, Saturday, 24 August 2013 20:24 (three years ago) Permalink

Another day, Another bad Eagles song.

I'll take the jangle-jangle over the throb-throb (brg30), Saturday, 24 August 2013 20:57 (three years ago) Permalink

no that's a good idea scott, will do

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 24 August 2013 21:26 (three years ago) Permalink

I want this thread to be openable

Ha, says the guy who a few posts earlier said of Witchy Woman it "genuinely does have a touch of genius about it," and referred to the band's " genuine yearning." ;) Me, I'd be OK if this thread was not openable.; Like a child lid on a prescription.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 24 August 2013 22:21 (three years ago) Permalink

josh

dude

take it easy

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 24 August 2013 22:22 (three years ago) Permalink

I guess it's possible that I may come to regret those posts, YouTube away

Ismael Klata, Saturday, 24 August 2013 22:29 (three years ago) Permalink

Nah that's not right, Witchy Woman is strange enough to deserve it

Ismael Klata, Saturday, 24 August 2013 22:37 (three years ago) Permalink

you guys! we could take an ilx field trip!

http://standinonthecorner.com/

― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, August 24, 2013 2:19 AM (16 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Lolling at how the town of Winslow, Arizona is trying to make "Standin' On The Corner" a tourist attraction/slogan/image solidifier, it's like they know the only time anyone ever hears about Winslow is that brief mention in "Take It Easy", so they need to milk it for all it's worth.

As for "Nightingale", as a onetime songwriter I can relate to it. Sometimes the inspiration hits, and you think up a lyric that perfectly captures your situation in a unique way, and pair it with an inventive melody and backings of the sort you can only dream up at your most inspired, and through happy accidents in the recording process it sounds even better on tape (or whatever you record on nowadays) than it did in your head when you were writing it. But most of the time I'd be called upon to write something when I wasn't in the mood and had nothing to say, but just needed to force it and squeeze out a song for contractual reasons. And when I did, it usually would sound something like "Nightingale".

I must admit i got a good laff from that youtube photo though

Lee626, Saturday, 24 August 2013 23:25 (three years ago) Permalink

this song is a ringer because a god among men wrote it. so, enjoy a wonderful sunday song.

scott seward, Sunday, 25 August 2013 11:31 (three years ago) Permalink

Sighting: out buying lunch, Peaceful Easy Feeling playing in M&S

Ismael Klata, Sunday, 25 August 2013 11:41 (three years ago) Permalink

This is really good, best song in days. I wonder what kept them from doing more Clark material (I know:$$$$$). He was a friend/drinking buddy of theirs in the early days.

A Made Man In The Mellow Mafia (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 25 August 2013 14:04 (three years ago) Permalink

This is really good, but very unEagles - I'm guessing Gene Clark is the writer here, it could easily be a more country Byrds. The phrasing is nothing like any of the previous songs, which are all made up of short, hooky lines repeated and varied; this deals in very long phrases and is more interesting for it, even with the slower chord progression. I like the vocal harmonies, and the guitar in the middle eight sparkles nicely, though the chord change/quasi-solo at the end is unpleasant. The ending is good. Another one that's quite unlike what's gone before.

Ismael Klata, Sunday, 25 August 2013 14:19 (three years ago) Permalink

It was a Clark/Leadon co-write from the first Dillard & Clark Expedition album from '68.

A Made Man In The Mellow Mafia (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 25 August 2013 14:33 (three years ago) Permalink

whoah, this is nice. who's singing lead on that? bernie?

reggie (qualmsley), Sunday, 25 August 2013 15:03 (three years ago) Permalink

Reminds me of Jayhawks, at their most Burrito-ish.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 25 August 2013 15:16 (three years ago) Permalink

Yeah Gene Clark parts of Hotel California are heartbreaking, you can tell Hoskyns really loves his music the most

Such a tragedy, and he doesn't even have the Gram Parsons/Chilton/etc cult that he deserves

everything I do is funky like Debussy (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 25 August 2013 15:22 (three years ago) Permalink

that's Bernie on lead vocals!

LOVE this so much.

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 25 August 2013 15:24 (three years ago) Permalink

there's a tone to Bernie's voice that reminds me a lot of Marty Robbins. Really rich in the low notes, and he hits those really pretty high notes.

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 25 August 2013 15:26 (three years ago) Permalink

What did he do after the Eagles?

everything I do is funky like Debussy (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 25 August 2013 17:09 (three years ago) Permalink

piss off Glenn Frey

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 25 August 2013 17:12 (three years ago) Permalink

Played a lot of bluegrass and became a Nashville session guy.

A Made Man In The Mellow Mafia (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 25 August 2013 17:27 (three years ago) Permalink

xpost lol Alfred

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 25 August 2013 17:33 (three years ago) Permalink

just for reference:

Dillard & Clark - Train Leaves Here This Morning

didn't know that was a single for D&C, or that The Eagles covered it.

Lee626, Sunday, 25 August 2013 18:02 (three years ago) Permalink

Imagining alt-timeline Eagles w/Gene Clark. He dies much sooner there.

A Made Man In The Mellow Mafia (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 25 August 2013 18:03 (three years ago) Permalink

Yeah Gene Clark parts of Hotel California are heartbreaking, you can tell Hoskyns really loves his music the most

Such a tragedy, and he doesn't even have the Gram Parsons/Chilton/etc cult that he deserves

― everything I do is funky like Debussy (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, August 25, 2013 11:22 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

actually Gene Clark does have quite a cult following (and not just on ILM), if not quite as big as Gram's or Alex's

Lee626, Sunday, 25 August 2013 18:06 (three years ago) Permalink

Gene never had the US Indie following those guys had. Europe was another matter.

A Made Man In The Mellow Mafia (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 25 August 2013 18:12 (three years ago) Permalink

i am all the cult gene needs! ivo turned me on to him in the 80's. thanks, ivo!

scott seward, Sunday, 25 August 2013 19:45 (three years ago) Permalink

bought this today. listening now. so far so smooth. 1977. glyn johns produced.

http://img5.blogs.yahoo.co.jp/ybi/1/a0/7c/far_side_cafe/folder/1487945/img_1487945_47654944_2?1181883408

killer drum sound. tarfumes might want to pick it up.

scott seward, Sunday, 25 August 2013 19:47 (three years ago) Permalink

Interesting! I will check that out. I dug Leadon in the Burritos, and so far he's the best thing about the Eagles.

Shart Week (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 25 August 2013 20:06 (three years ago) Permalink

This isn't technically an Eagles song.

I'll take the jangle-jangle over the throb-throb (brg30), Sunday, 25 August 2013 20:33 (three years ago) Permalink

...

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 25 August 2013 20:38 (three years ago) Permalink

Dude, it's the Eagles singin' and playin' on it! Also, more Eagles (one) had a hand in writing it than in writing "Peaceful Easy Feeling" (zero).

Shart Week (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 25 August 2013 21:57 (three years ago) Permalink

It could only be more Eagles if the lyric was amended to "the train chugs out this mornin'"

A Made Man In The Mellow Mafia (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 25 August 2013 22:21 (three years ago) Permalink

o/t but <3 <3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gamTAp1W4Mc

bear, bear, bear, Sunday, 25 August 2013 22:52 (three years ago) Permalink

who is michael georgiades?

my favorite song on that gene album

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXuuJ9aZswA

reggie (qualmsley), Sunday, 25 August 2013 23:40 (three years ago) Permalink

i think i would die for that album. like, if some country decided to go to war against No Other i think i would pick up a gun and fight until i couldn't fight anymore.

and hey remember links and not embeds if you can remember. thanks, the management (you do realize we will be here for months...)

scott seward, Sunday, 25 August 2013 23:56 (three years ago) Permalink

practice link (fingers crossed this is right!)

http://www.youtu.be.com/watch?v=oPghGSOrHFk

reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 26 August 2013 00:05 (three years ago) Permalink

the first Randy-written song! how exciting...

scott seward, Monday, 26 August 2013 13:42 (three years ago) Permalink

sorry for the sound. its really hard sometimes to find an eagles youtube with good sound. their fans aren't that picky i guess. sometimes there will be three crappy vids that all come from the same horrible MP3 or whatever.

scott seward, Monday, 26 August 2013 13:44 (three years ago) Permalink

anyway, he wrote this about Don I think.

scott seward, Monday, 26 August 2013 13:44 (three years ago) Permalink

i think we can safely say that this song begins and then it ends.

scott seward, Monday, 26 August 2013 13:47 (three years ago) Permalink

Train Leaves Here This Morning: Grateful Dead
Take the Devil: Bon Jovi

Lawyer... SUAVE... (carl agatha), Monday, 26 August 2013 13:57 (three years ago) Permalink

also, the YouTube for Train Leaves Here This Morning shows the album track listing and I was like, "Nightingale? I don't remember that. Did Scott skip one?" and went back to check and LOLOLOL

Wooo that song is bad but also I forgot how it even went the second it was over so it's kind of ultimately neutral I guess.

― Lawyer... SUAVE... (carl agatha), Saturday, August 24, 2013 7:31 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Using the drunk stepfather deep cuts metric, I can completely envision my stepfather five beers in smoking a joint and really, really enjoying Take the Devil.

Lawyer... SUAVE... (carl agatha), Monday, 26 August 2013 14:00 (three years ago) Permalink

This is some of the most convincing rocking I've heard the Eagles do, and it's still 3rd-rate Crazy Horse.

Shart Week (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 26 August 2013 14:03 (three years ago) Permalink

it's funny how much more accomplished "train leaves here this morning" sounds than its predecessor on the album. imagine listening to this record without seeing the writing credits.

"take the devil" is....fine.

call all destroyer, Monday, 26 August 2013 14:20 (three years ago) Permalink

i found it pretty boring and the singing was anguished.

no fomo (La Lechera), Monday, 26 August 2013 14:20 (three years ago) Permalink

btw let it be clear that the only eagles songs i have ever heard are the radio singles.

no fomo (La Lechera), Monday, 26 August 2013 14:21 (three years ago) Permalink

i found it pretty boring and the singing was anguished.

― no fomo (La Lechera), Monday, August 26, 2013

lethal combo

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 26 August 2013 14:27 (three years ago) Permalink

This one's pretty good. It suits them to stay away from the upper registers, which is a problem for a band whose appeal is largely based on vocal harmonising. When whoever's singing here heads upwards, the effect is not good.

The drumming's good again, but everything needs to be a bit rougher. "...3rd-rate Crazy Horse" is otm, see the opening of Cowgirl for what you can really do with so few elements. Would love to hear Neil take this on actually, the basic song is pretty good but he'd do so much better with the solos.

The all-triplets outro is confusing me, because it's crap yet normally I really love triplets.

Ismael Klata, Monday, 26 August 2013 14:37 (three years ago) Permalink

the trouble is Meisner's voice. He's got a dull guitarist's voice.

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 26 August 2013 14:42 (three years ago) Permalink

i think he sounds a lot better on some other songs but yeah not as good on this one

call all destroyer, Monday, 26 August 2013 14:46 (three years ago) Permalink

Cannot help but LOL @ how this reads on YouTube: "Take the Devil by The Eagles"

But yeah, this is dull as shit, like "Wanted Dead or Alive" crossed with "Turn the Page". The first song in our survey that I've actually disliked.

the vineyards where the grapes of corporate rock are stored (cryptosicko), Monday, 26 August 2013 14:57 (three years ago) Permalink

ooh take the devil is really dull

everything I do is funky like Debussy (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 26 August 2013 18:23 (three years ago) Permalink

blink and you miss it kinda song. how many filler tracks have we had? 3? chug, nightingale, and this one.

scott seward, Monday, 26 August 2013 18:38 (three years ago) Permalink

the gene clark/dillard cover is the first one i think i would go back to (as far as stuff that was "new" to me and non-hit single)

everything I do is funky like Debussy (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 26 August 2013 18:42 (three years ago) Permalink

its a great song. even eagles couldn't kill it with their steely knives.

scott seward, Monday, 26 August 2013 18:42 (three years ago) Permalink

when they recorded that glyn johns said ah! finally something i can work with!

scott seward, Monday, 26 August 2013 18:43 (three years ago) Permalink

he didn't really say that. but i'd like to think he said that.

scott seward, Monday, 26 August 2013 18:43 (three years ago) Permalink

wtf is that Gene Clark version of Train upthread...? that is different from the one on Fantastic Expedition of DIllard and Clark. Is it some No Other outtake (why would they have re-recorded that for that album?)

asks a member of the Gene Clark Cult Fanclub

xxxp

what's up ugly girls? (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 26 August 2013 18:45 (three years ago) Permalink

The aura of Neil is strong within this one. Another one of those bar band "Here's an original..." kind of numbers. You know what does this so much better? The first Crazy Horse solo album.

A Made Man In The Mellow Mafia (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 26 August 2013 18:46 (three years ago) Permalink

i love that crazy horse album. good stuff.

scott seward, Monday, 26 August 2013 19:27 (three years ago) Permalink

it's kinda sad danny whitten never got to really develop as a songwriter...some of those like "look at all the things" and assuming he wrote "c'mon baby let's go downtown", could have been really impressive stuff

everything I do is funky like Debussy (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 26 August 2013 19:31 (three years ago) Permalink

yeah, No Other outtake Shakey xxp. makes a good end for that rec too

bear, bear, bear, Monday, 26 August 2013 21:19 (three years ago) Permalink

Gypsies, tramps and thieves - oh wait...

I'll take the jangle-jangle over the throb-throb (brg30), Monday, 26 August 2013 21:57 (three years ago) Permalink

Jesus, i put on a Poco album when i got home and it was like listening to Gentle Giant or Yes after all this Eagles music. The dizzying complexities of Poco! for real, it was like night and day.

scott seward, Tuesday, 27 August 2013 00:21 (three years ago) Permalink

This is sooooo Prog compared to the Eagles:

http://youtu.be/dbHDvTgkxpo

A Made Man In The Mellow Mafia (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 27 August 2013 01:21 (three years ago) Permalink

i love that album. i really love poco. even if they turn future members of the eagles into dogs.

scott seward, Tuesday, 27 August 2013 01:23 (three years ago) Permalink

poco is like flying, i love listening to them & being caught up in the airiness

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 27 August 2013 01:37 (three years ago) Permalink

i've championed poco every chance i get on ilm. Just about everything they did in their first decade is grate, and remains underappreciated by fans and critics alike.

Lee626, Tuesday, 27 August 2013 02:48 (three years ago) Permalink

What kind of animal did they replace Timothy B. Schmidt with?

pplains, Tuesday, 27 August 2013 02:49 (three years ago) Permalink

lol

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 27 August 2013 02:55 (three years ago) Permalink

haha

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 27 August 2013 02:55 (three years ago) Permalink

Look at us, baby. up all night.
Tearin' our llama part.

pplains, Tuesday, 27 August 2013 02:58 (three years ago) Permalink

this don felder interview is like if al gore had become a rock star.

http://youtu.be/L86z-BUBp4A

scott seward, Tuesday, 27 August 2013 04:00 (three years ago) Permalink

i forgot about the whole felder/leadon/stills/petty thing in florida. don gave tom petty guitar lessons. i read all that in the tom petty interview book and forgot all about it. felder and stills were in a band. leadon replaced stills in the band. here's a boring 60's garage rock song by felder and leadon:

http://youtu.be/U2v2xWHKqsk

scott seward, Tuesday, 27 August 2013 04:14 (three years ago) Permalink

Here's some less boring '60s garage songs by the Mushrooms from Deee-troit, featuring Glenn Frey (and songwriting by Bob Seger):

http://youtu.be/rTweniDDDTY

http://youtu.be/sejypeDSfv8

I wonder why the latter track wasn't on Friday At The Hideout?

A Made Man In The Mellow Mafia (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 27 August 2013 05:15 (three years ago) Permalink

fun with the birds and the banjo and all, but more filler if you ask me.

scott seward, Tuesday, 27 August 2013 12:01 (three years ago) Permalink

The intro is kind of startling after where we've been, and tbf is very nice. The tune is by-numbers though, and the harmonies I'm now sick of. But it's short, and length is important.

A bunch of rich dudes talking down my life as a corporate drone though, that's pretty nice. I never get tired of that. It does make me wonder where I've gone wrong liking my life; would it really be better if I did kick off to a life of pure leisure? Not sure it would, I'd get bored. Identifying that life with the eagle is a bit egotistical though, I don't like that.

Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 27 August 2013 12:08 (three years ago) Permalink

are eagles early birds?

reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 27 August 2013 12:39 (three years ago) Permalink

"someone get REALLY drunk and listen to chug all night and tell us how it sounds. for science. i ain't doing it."

challenge accepted!

messiahwannabe, Tuesday, 27 August 2013 12:54 (three years ago) Permalink

A bunch of rich dudes talking down my life as a corporate drone though

Were they technically rich dudes at this point? I wonder when they actually got rich.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 27 August 2013 12:57 (three years ago) Permalink

wow, that wasn't very good.

funny, cause fuck the haters, the eagles are freakin awesome if you ask me. and drunk me was totally feelin "most of us are sad." but, really, it sounded way more generic and/or derivative than i would have expected

wait, we aren't allowed to talk about songs that arent the daily eagles song? sorry, i'm drunk.

messiahwannabe, Tuesday, 27 August 2013 12:59 (three years ago) Permalink

nightingale: ok, if i saw them live performing their new album right after this album came out, i'd probably think "oh and then there was this one song in the middle of the set that was like, not bad, except all of a sudden it had this kinda cool breakdown with those wicked 3 part harmonies and stuff. man, that band rocked!"

messiahwannabe, Tuesday, 27 August 2013 13:29 (three years ago) Permalink

I like this one! Like being relative in that I will probably never seek this song out to listen to, but I enjoyed it. It gave me a nice road trip on a sunny day with the windows open and a gentle buzz kind of feeling. And come to think of it, the time in my life when I would get high and take road trips is the time in my life when I would listen to these lyrics and think, "Yeah, man, I'm not going to be scratching just to get through. I'm going to be reading books and playing crazy music just for fun!" *slaps travel-sized jimbe* So points for nostalgia and banjo, points off for dumb lyrics and mentioning the band's name in such a clumsy context.

Lawyer... SUAVE... (carl agatha), Tuesday, 27 August 2013 13:34 (three years ago) Permalink

take the devil:

ok, it's filler. but as far as filler goes, it's pretty decent filler. none of these have made me want to jump out of my armchair and yank the needle out of the groove and put on something else yet.

train leaves here:

and if they keep throwing out deep cuts like this, i'll continue to sit through decent filler in between the awesome

messiahwannabe, Tuesday, 27 August 2013 13:45 (three years ago) Permalink

earlybird: i can really hear the peyote influence on this one.

messiahwannabe, Tuesday, 27 August 2013 13:51 (three years ago) Permalink

earlybird is another killer intro followed by a disappointing song

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 27 August 2013 13:52 (three years ago) Permalink

^ this is the key thing to take away from this album, other than the big hits

Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 27 August 2013 13:56 (three years ago) Permalink

I think I dig early bird. This goes in the first album keepers pile. Lyrics are lol and sorta remind me of the mr show bit about 'stayin' in bed all day/like an eagle hunting preyyyyy'

It has a thesis at least. Eagles seem to be at their best when there's some palpable thesis in the song.

Spot Lange (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 27 August 2013 14:10 (three years ago) Permalink

Wait, when did we start playing Three Dog Night tunes on here?

pplains, Tuesday, 27 August 2013 14:48 (three years ago) Permalink

hmmm, three dog night a good candidate for a thread like this...

scott seward, Tuesday, 27 August 2013 14:54 (three years ago) Permalink

another huge band that sold a zillion records and everyone knows "one", "joy to the world", and a few others but meanwhile there is like 7 or 8 albums worth of stuff that people don't know so well.

scott seward, Tuesday, 27 August 2013 14:57 (three years ago) Permalink

ha, well let's not get ahead of ourselves.

Can't put my finger on it, but there's something very "LIAR" about that last one.

pplains, Tuesday, 27 August 2013 14:57 (three years ago) Permalink

Three Dog Night earned 13 gold albums and recorded 21 consecutive Billboard Top 40 hits, seven of which went gold

!!!

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 27 August 2013 14:59 (three years ago) Permalink

http://i.minus.com/i81URoWpHkQ24.gif

pplains, Tuesday, 27 August 2013 15:02 (three years ago) Permalink

DON HENLEY WAS A BULLFROG

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 27 August 2013 15:09 (three years ago) Permalink

it all comes back to Hoyt Axton, the true Rasputin of Hollywood.

scott seward, Tuesday, 27 August 2013 15:32 (three years ago) Permalink

I liked this! Good groove, the opening is sample-worthy.

A Made Man In The Mellow Mafia (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 27 August 2013 15:47 (three years ago) Permalink

Ha! When I put this on in my early-morning haze my first thought, I kid you not, was 'Little Fluffy Clouds'

Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 27 August 2013 16:42 (three years ago) Permalink

i love that album. i really love poco. even if they turn future members of the eagles into dogs.

― scott seward, Monday, August 26, 2013 9:23 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

What kind of animal did they replace Timothy B. Schmidt with?

― pplains, Monday, August 26, 2013 10:49 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the next Poco album had the whole band replaced with an illustration of a horse, notable because it was drawn by Phil Hartman

Lee626, Tuesday, 27 August 2013 16:59 (three years ago) Permalink

What instrument is on the intro before the banjo comes in? (besides the tweeting birds)

Lee626, Tuesday, 27 August 2013 17:00 (three years ago) Permalink

Sounds like a kalimba maybe. Or the highest strings of a piano muffled/deadened with something.

Spot Lange (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 27 August 2013 17:04 (three years ago) Permalink

man i was really stoked on this song for about 30 seconds....for the first 15 seconds it was like an Os Mutantes thing or something....then the banjo was dope...

but then the singing and lyrics and vocal melody kinda bored the shit out of me

one observation i'd make about the eagles, at least thus far...man this is one band that seems pretty well represented by their greatest hits. those songs were the hits for a fuckin REASON

everything I do is funky like Debussy (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 27 August 2013 19:40 (three years ago) Permalink

What instrument is on the intro before the banjo comes in? (besides the tweeting birds)

― Lee626, Tuesday, 27 August 2013 12:00 (7 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Sounds like a kalimba maybe. Or the highest strings of a piano muffled/deadened with something.

― Spot Lange (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 27 August 2013

surely just a guitar strummed above the neck

zvookster, Wednesday, 28 August 2013 00:38 (three years ago) Permalink

First song I actually didn't hate, but still filler. Can't wait for "The Disco Strangler".

I'll take the jangle-jangle over the throb-throb (brg30), Wednesday, 28 August 2013 01:24 (three years ago) Permalink

come back in 2017

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 28 August 2013 01:26 (three years ago) Permalink

It's kinda remarkable how Take It Easy & (spoiler alert) Peaceful Easy Feeling have the same core elements but are just way better than the deep cuts we've been laboring through. Granted Train Leaves Here This Morning is ok-ish but could they pick up the pace just a bit please? Sounds like it was slowed down a few BPM by the Audacity app. Anyway, what makes the hits noticeably better?

that's not my post, Wednesday, 28 August 2013 05:40 (three years ago) Permalink

They were written by people not in the band? (And when that wasn't the case, it's a rarely utilized in-house team). A lot of what we know as "The Eagles" (Henley/Frey songwriting, Henley singing) didn't lock in until the next album (and it took a third for that stuff to cement).

A Made Man In The Mellow Mafia (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 28 August 2013 07:03 (three years ago) Permalink

Jack Tempchin was in the band the Funky Kings, a band name that was misleading on two counts.

scott seward, Wednesday, 28 August 2013 13:03 (three years ago) Permalink

Man, this would be so much better with someone other than Frey singing.

Shart Week (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 28 August 2013 13:31 (three years ago) Permalink

like jackson browne

http://youtu.be/VNT979oO6Q0

scott seward, Wednesday, 28 August 2013 13:59 (three years ago) Permalink

Wow, yeah, that's more like it.

Shart Week (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 28 August 2013 14:01 (three years ago) Permalink

i've never actually owned a jackson browne album. i like ned doheny. and rick roberts. and all those other guys. i like firefall.

scott seward, Wednesday, 28 August 2013 14:02 (three years ago) Permalink

rick roberts kind of the lost eagles member. the eagles would have never thought to put the bongos and synths on this track though:

http://youtu.be/TK24Of-M11Y

scott seward, Wednesday, 28 August 2013 14:04 (three years ago) Permalink

always liked the couplet

I know you won't let me down
Cuz I'm already standing on the ground

since i first heard it on classic rock radio as a kid. it seemed like country wisdom i'd grow into someday when i came into my own

reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 28 August 2013 14:32 (three years ago) Permalink

Don't know much about Rick Roberts beyond the 3rd Burrito Bros album, which I love

Tommy McTommy (Tom D.), Wednesday, 28 August 2013 14:46 (three years ago) Permalink

I despise this, it's so complacent. I mean, if you're dispensing wisdom about how life is so great, and more particularly how your life is so great and nothing's going to get to you, don't make it a midtempo major key number with a perfect arrangement and full harmonies. There's no way in.

The voice whispering in his ear, and what he learned years ago, maybe, and 'already standing on the ground' - they're a neat lyrical trick but neutralised by the vocal and arrangement. This guy's a winner, not a resigned loser.

How did these uptight prickly guys get a monopoly on easy anyway? It plainly was what the public wanted. A big slab of easy, medium done. No garnish.

The thing is, it's undeniably nice and beautifully crafted, and it's a pleasure to hear; it's just so empty.

Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 28 August 2013 15:13 (three years ago) Permalink

I like the long guitar solo though, nice and understated. The last few bars remind me of something off (I think) Exile In Main Street. I like that thin tone.

Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 28 August 2013 15:16 (three years ago) Permalink

peaceful easy feeling is a good song

but yeah this is a really mediocre album

everything I do is funky like Debussy (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 28 August 2013 15:38 (three years ago) Permalink

opening lines for this, especially with Frey's delivery, just make me lol bcz they sound like bad highschool love poetry

I like the way your sparkling earrings lay
against your skin so brown

also I've related elsewhere that I always get a weird creeped out vibe from it, it sort of sounds vaguely threatening in parts if you imagine the dude singing the lines is like a Jim Thompson stalker creep

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 28 August 2013 15:51 (three years ago) Permalink

if i'm in a less than generous mood i hear the lyrics these days as a come on to a groupie (a la the faces "stay with me") but when i'm feeling it, it's not a douchey statement from some asshole winner but from a regular bro who's been through a few heavy relationships, reflecting that he isn't looking for romance to save him anymore

Oh, but she can't take you anyway,
You don't already know how to go

acknowledging here he's gotten carried away, and appreciating what he has/who he is, almost as an affirmation, to prevent himself from seeing something that isn't there (yet)

reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 28 August 2013 15:56 (three years ago) Permalink

i don't know if fairly ugly misogyny has ever sounded more genial than on "stay with me"

everything I do is funky like Debussy (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 28 August 2013 16:02 (three years ago) Permalink

I can't be objective about this song because I've been hearing it my entire life. I can tell I'm going to get real tired of the casual, 70s dude sexism in their lyrics, though.

xp heh

carl agatha, Wednesday, 28 August 2013 16:03 (three years ago) Permalink

I get this feeling I may know you
As a lover and a friend

I guess we found that seventh woman from "Take It Easy".

pplains, Wednesday, 28 August 2013 16:11 (three years ago) Permalink

we need a venn diagram

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 28 August 2013 16:12 (three years ago) Permalink

Nice guitar work, but otherwise meh. In the Crowe interview for the Very Best of notes, Frey says this:

Back then, Poco was the band that impressed me most. Their vocals were pristine and perfect. They were the band I wanted to model us after. We loved all the singing bands — The Byrds and The Beach Boys — but to be honest, right then I had my eye on Poco… and I wanted to chug go beyond them too.

Classic Frey. I'll be a good boy & only link to the Spanish version of the Lebowski scene. Apparently this was the scene that convinced Allen Klein to clear the TVZ "Dead Flowers" for the film (he hated the Eagles too). Jeff Bridges later claimed that Frey gave him some shit about the scene, but he didn't remember specifics, other than "my (own) anus tightened as I listened to him".

A Made Man In The Mellow Mafia (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 28 August 2013 16:32 (three years ago) Permalink

to me this sounds like early dylan in the full chords and shameless changes. there was a latent complacency & sexism in that folk/hippie scene that i always hear ringing in that stuff, readymade for crossover into this countrified americana. the retreat from the political into the personal that you hear talked of re: '70s Laurel Canyon scene etc. wasn't such a big one.

zvookster, Wednesday, 28 August 2013 17:50 (three years ago) Permalink

Anyone see the BBC doc "Hotel California: From the Byrds to the Eagles?" I've heard good things.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 28 August 2013 17:57 (three years ago) Permalink

a little sub-Poco filler to close out the album. seems appropriate. we just have one non-album b-side to go and we will close the book on this album. so close!

a little palate cleanser:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfQjLxAeRZo

scott seward, Thursday, 29 August 2013 12:13 (three years ago) Permalink

damn i've already forgotten my own rule about links and embeds. need more coffee...

scott seward, Thursday, 29 August 2013 12:13 (three years ago) Permalink

More boilerplate. Again the intro is good, and the growly lower register that the guitars deploy suits them. I like the lead guitar, though it's completely standard; but the tame backing in the verses/solo spoils it. The bridge/chorus is much better. The breakdown and outro are boring, as are the vocals. They should just ditch any attempts at prettiness, or at least deploy them only occasionally for effect - it's not too bad when the harmonies appear one-word-per-verse, but the coda is rubbish. And for once the drumming's only wussy.

Overall the album scores a (4). Bitchin' one-two, thereafter mostly filler; but there are one or two good songs, and it always sounds nice. With a bit more confidence and more rigorous quality control I can see them putting out a much better second album. Otherwise wait for the Greatest Hits.

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 29 August 2013 12:32 (three years ago) Permalink

The guitar at the beginning, and the high vocals in the first line, reminded me of Rush's "Fly By Night."

Not a horrible song; if I heard it on the radio my reaction would be "That's the Eagles?" But I wouldn't be itching to hear it again.

Shart Week (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 29 August 2013 13:34 (three years ago) Permalink

I mentioned the Eagles to my guitar teacher yesterday, and he went into a total rage, relating what it was like to be stuck in the back of the family car on a road trip, with no option other than AM radio, and hearing the same Eagles songs, over and over again, hour after hour. There was practically spit flying from his mouth.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 29 August 2013 13:41 (three years ago) Permalink

Nothing but good things to say about their musicianship and harmonies, though.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 29 August 2013 13:42 (three years ago) Permalink

this defines "innocuous"

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 29 August 2013 13:43 (three years ago) Permalink

Tryin' sucks.

Spot Lange (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 29 August 2013 13:44 (three years ago) Permalink

The message of the eagles s/t is that they need to get more negative ASAP. Their inner assholes are struggling to get out and this cap'n easytimes thing is stifling them.

Spot Lange (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 29 August 2013 13:47 (three years ago) Permalink

This song makes me realize that this is going to be a very long thread.

carl agatha, Thursday, 29 August 2013 13:49 (three years ago) Permalink

it's a strong one!

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 29 August 2013 13:50 (three years ago) Permalink

btw every time I click on this thread and see the photo of Glenn Frey rocked by laughter I want to strangle babies

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 29 August 2013 13:50 (three years ago) Permalink

The Eagles as babies, presumably.

Shart Week (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 29 August 2013 13:52 (three years ago) Permalink

"Eagles Babies" with Linda Ronstadt as Nanny.

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 29 August 2013 13:55 (three years ago) Permalink

no hyperbole, i think i could make a mix of 500 similar songs from that era that are all better than "tryin'". eagles are definitely testing my faculties. uh....the guitars sound fine...???

i do like the little echo blasts of multi-tracking on some words. "get back...!"

scott seward, Thursday, 29 August 2013 14:08 (three years ago) Permalink

FREY: Listen, Randy. You're going to get out there and do "Take It to the Limit" and you're going to hit all the high notes! We're Eagles, man.

MEISNER: But I'm sick! I can't do it every night! I miss my family!

FREY: OK, then if no "Limit", we're going to do "Tryin'" instead.

MEISNER: [CRIES] Get Schmidt to do it!

pplains, Thursday, 29 August 2013 14:10 (three years ago) Permalink

"In 2003, the album was ranked number 374 on Rolling Stone magazine's list of the 500 greatest albums of all time."

scott seward, Thursday, 29 August 2013 14:22 (three years ago) Permalink

they need to listen to some more records over there at RS.

scott seward, Thursday, 29 August 2013 14:22 (three years ago) Permalink

2003 though, there had only been about 510 albums released at that point

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 29 August 2013 14:30 (three years ago) Permalink

and Jann presumably has other things to do besides listen to 510 albums

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 29 August 2013 14:35 (three years ago) Permalink

btw every time I click on this thread and see the photo of Glenn Frey rocked by laughter I want to strangle babies

He's laughing at you. He's laughing at all of you.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 29 August 2013 15:52 (three years ago) Permalink

I drove to work listening to the whole first album, and even though we discovered that a good majority of the songs are kinda sucky to some degree or another, as an album it really almost is the definition of easy listening. Don't crank it, just keep it down kinda mid-range or low, you can still think about whatever you want bcz it's not going to demand a whole lot of attention from you, and there's a nice innocuous groove for most of it. Which is not a thing I ever really want from music very often unless I've got a headache but, well there you go.

Does RS giving it a nod have more to do with it just being the *first* album and Witchay Woman and the bitchin album art? Someone shoudl find out if they actually listened to Chug.

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 29 August 2013 15:53 (three years ago) Permalink

Oh and re: Tryin?

"Hi we're Sucky Boston and we are gonna rock you tonight"

this rivals Chug for the worst song on the album imo. Randy's strangled vocals and general caterwauling and lame attempts to 'rock out' it's just all embarrassing

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 29 August 2013 15:55 (three years ago) Permalink

my two big probs with it are 1) the total lack of coherence--too many songwriters, singers, styles, etc. and it doesn't really come together, and 2) a couple of songs that had some potential just feel incomplete and rushed.

call all destroyer, Thursday, 29 August 2013 15:56 (three years ago) Permalink

this reminds me sonically and vocally of Chris Bell-era Big Star. except it's way more boring.

what's up ugly girls? (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 29 August 2013 15:59 (three years ago) Permalink

it's v boring

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 29 August 2013 15:59 (three years ago) Permalink

on't crank it, just keep it down kinda mid-range or low, you can still think about whatever you want bcz it's not going to demand a whole lot of attention from you,

Don Henley sex advice

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 29 August 2013 16:00 (three years ago) Permalink

lol otm

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 29 August 2013 16:34 (three years ago) Permalink

I'm gonna bore you in the night until your skin turns red.

carl agatha, Thursday, 29 August 2013 17:02 (three years ago) Permalink

loool

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 29 August 2013 17:03 (three years ago) Permalink

7 women on my mind, four that wanna to bore me, two that wanna bone me, one says she's a friend of mine

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 29 August 2013 17:05 (three years ago) Permalink

yeah the first 30 seconds reminded me of Big Star

what's with all the intros on this album being better than the song?

man, these guys were lucky they got Take it Easy and Peaceful Easy Feeling handed to them or they could have been just another forgotten dollar bin 70s band

everything I do is funky like Debussy (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 29 August 2013 17:16 (three years ago) Permalink

they got those songs and still almost pissed it way--desperado didn't exactly light up the charts.

call all destroyer, Thursday, 29 August 2013 17:54 (three years ago) Permalink

v true re big star. a better lead guitarist would help. wonder what they'd sound like with someone like, say, joe walsh.

fact checking cuz, Thursday, 29 August 2013 17:58 (three years ago) Permalink

if he joined now though we'd be robbed of some awesome james gang which shits all over every eagles song

everything I do is funky like Debussy (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 29 August 2013 18:02 (three years ago) Permalink

otm

cops on horse (WilliamC), Thursday, 29 August 2013 18:10 (three years ago) Permalink

I still think about what a bunch of idiots they are, that by the time they had Felder and Walsh, they made one good album and then a kind of meh album (and then whatever the rest was which uggggh). to me it's just, you guys should have been KILLING it with like 2 or 3 albums in a row of facemelting guitar radness

idk

then again with Herr Frey and Herr Henley, it's hard to see how it could have gone any other way

anyway i'm getting ahead of myself

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 29 August 2013 18:16 (three years ago) Permalink

if he joined now though we'd be robbed of some awesome james gang which shits all over every eagles song

I don't know about that robbing us of some James Gang stuff--Thirds was also in '71, and he just had the live album to go. If anything, we may have lost his early solo stuff--or "Rocky Mountain Way" would have appeared in On The Border!

But anyway, "Tryin'": Kind of a limp Stones thing. I like the opening riffs some, and the rhythm guitar during the solo. That's it.

A Made Man In The Mellow Mafia (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 29 August 2013 18:20 (three years ago) Permalink

the thing that best describes this song, and possibly this album is that thing Billy Crystal does in When Harry Met Sally with the sad-dude-overbite dance

http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_losovterVJ1qf7r5lo1_500.gif

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 29 August 2013 18:24 (three years ago) Permalink

ha!

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 29 August 2013 18:28 (three years ago) Permalink

This is how I imagine anyone dances to the Eagles.

the vineyards where the grapes of corporate rock are stored (cryptosicko), Thursday, 29 August 2013 18:57 (three years ago) Permalink

Final analysis on Eagles, btw, since I didn't really play along: I like the three singles (always did), most of the album tracks are passable, and only "Take the Devil" truly sucks.

the vineyards where the grapes of corporate rock are stored (cryptosicko), Thursday, 29 August 2013 18:59 (three years ago) Permalink

btw every time I click on this thread and see the photo of Glenn Frey rocked by laughter I want to strangle babies
He's laughing at you. He's laughing at all of you.

I too see them laughing at us for our grand endeavor.

The Bridges of Witchy Woman (Eazy), Thursday, 29 August 2013 20:15 (three years ago) Permalink

Perhaps we've inspired him to go over to Henley's and say, "Man, we've just got to do "Chug II!""

A Made Man In The Mellow Mafia (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 29 August 2013 20:44 (three years ago) Permalink

i was stuck at a light behind a car w/ an 'I <3 my Chug' bumper sticker and 'Take It Easy' came on the radio scan, i thought of this thread.

also learned that a Chug is the saddest dog hybreed of all

saki, Thursday, 29 August 2013 20:59 (three years ago) Permalink

What's that, chihuahua pug??? No way, when I was a kid we had a part pug/part chihuahua and she was the cutest best dog. Her name was Susanna.

carl agatha, Thursday, 29 August 2013 21:23 (three years ago) Permalink

woah saki

that's crazy

everything I do is funky like Debussy (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 29 August 2013 21:35 (three years ago) Permalink

No it's a cross between a CHUD and a pug

Xpost

Spot Lange (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 29 August 2013 21:57 (three years ago) Permalink

Oh well yes that is terrible.

carl agatha, Thursday, 29 August 2013 21:58 (three years ago) Permalink

cross between a CHUD and a pug

LOL A+

Same old bland-as-sand mood mouthings (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 29 August 2013 22:02 (three years ago) Permalink

Meisner's vocals on "Tryin'" remind me of Steve Marriott a little.

Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 29 August 2013 22:21 (three years ago) Permalink

Eagles in the wild report: I'm just leaving an all-nite diner, one of those places with a jukebox that nobody plays, so the machine cycles through stuff on random play mode all the time. The final two selections for my visit were "The Heat Is On" and "New Kid In Town". Hearing them back to back like this kind of reinforces how odd that the same guy was responsible for both.

A Made Man In The Mellow Mafia (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 30 August 2013 08:06 (three years ago) Permalink

playing catch-up:

1) i still like the singles okay (in a noncommittal, out-there-in-radioland sort of way), but everything else pretty much sucks.

2) retrospective sleaze awareness aside, "take it easy" isn't particularly sleazy, not in light "girl, you'll be a woman soon" and "you've never been this far before".

3) i like clips are a hell of a lot better than the studio stuff. should have been a jam band.

IIIrd Datekeeper (contenderizer), Friday, 30 August 2013 12:25 (three years ago) Permalink

"Get You In The Mood"

http://www.nnoa.biz/Pics/gfreymug1.jpg

http://youtu.be/1ISeIBF0N8k

scott seward, Friday, 30 August 2013 12:37 (three years ago) Permalink

non-album b-side and there you have it. its a real barn-burner too.

scott seward, Friday, 30 August 2013 12:38 (three years ago) Permalink

Small brown
Long blue
Mustache normal

carl agatha, Friday, 30 August 2013 12:40 (three years ago) Permalink

"Thank you for coming everybody. I'm Glenn and we are EAGLES! Please don't forget to tip your waitress on the way out." *extended mood jam*

scott seward, Friday, 30 August 2013 12:42 (three years ago) Permalink

The last girl I hit on
wasn't very pretty

smdh

carl agatha, Friday, 30 August 2013 12:42 (three years ago) Permalink

I was unmoved until ~ 3:15 (the "extended mood jam"). That was good.

carl agatha, Friday, 30 August 2013 12:44 (three years ago) Permalink

"I get so wasted in the city/Last girl I hit on wasn't very pretty"

for the AGES!

haha x-post

scott seward, Friday, 30 August 2013 12:45 (three years ago) Permalink

http://www.heyreverb.com/files/2010/05/henley.jpg

scott seward, Friday, 30 August 2013 12:46 (three years ago) Permalink

oh gross.

carl agatha, Friday, 30 August 2013 12:47 (three years ago) Permalink

along with "chug", this one's working awful damn hard to convince me that i hate the fucking eagles

IIIrd Datekeeper (contenderizer), Friday, 30 August 2013 12:57 (three years ago) Permalink

i didn't totally hate this one
the sun is your clown
his singing is overzealous and far to the front for my liking but i like the slow tempo and the jam is ok (unfortunately there's only like 30 sec of it)

also -- i heard "life in the fast lane" in the car yesterday and it sounded just as atrocious as it always has. just AWFUL and loathsome. i also heard "hotel california" the other day (also on the car radio) and it sounded like the dr teeth & the electric mayhem, like it always has. (i figure this thread could be used for noting when eagles songs are heard in the wild)

no fomo (La Lechera), Friday, 30 August 2013 13:10 (three years ago) Permalink

ok... it's still a stretch, but this is the closest we've come to Chilton yet.

pplains, Friday, 30 August 2013 13:21 (three years ago) Permalink

This is okay. I think my feelings so far is that this band is so stiff and uptight that any hint of them cutting loose seems much wilder than it is. So the meandering verses here, or the growling intros elsewhere, sound like a band you'd keep an eye on; whereas in reality they rock out like a barbershop quartet.

Ismael Klata, Friday, 30 August 2013 13:28 (three years ago) Permalink

"(i figure this thread could be used for noting when eagles songs are heard in the wild)"

yah! i actually asked people to do this upthread.

scott seward, Friday, 30 August 2013 13:46 (three years ago) Permalink

First thought (on "Mood") was, "This would sound a lot better if Ronnie Van Zant was singing instead of Glenn Frey."

Then I realized that applies to everything Glenn Frey ever sang.

Shart Week (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 30 August 2013 13:53 (three years ago) Permalink

Eagles in the wild: "Take It Easy" at Walgreens, 10:45 p.m.

The Bridges of Witchy Woman (Eazy), Friday, 30 August 2013 13:54 (three years ago) Permalink

This "Mood" song is the lamest shit I've ever heard in my life, jesus fuck even for a b-side what a bunch of losers

everything I do is funky like Debussy (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 30 August 2013 14:02 (three years ago) Permalink

yet their pal Linda is fucked: Linda Ronstadt - Classic or Dud?

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 30 August 2013 14:04 (three years ago) Permalink

so sad....in Hotel California which has come up a bunch on this thread, she's one of the few people that comes across as really genuine and generous in that whole scene :(

everything I do is funky like Debussy (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 30 August 2013 14:08 (three years ago) Permalink

I thought I recalled owning the 45 of "Take It Easy" when I was a kid, but I definitely have never heard "Mood" before in my life. M@tt OTM, this is horrible.

Same old bland-as-sand mood mouthings (Dan Peterson), Friday, 30 August 2013 14:13 (three years ago) Permalink

like i said in the other thread, in that hotel california book the ONLY people who come out smelling like a rose are linda ronstadt and jackson browne. i can't recall anyone interviewed for the book who had anything negative to say about those two. which is not the case with everyone else in the book.

scott seward, Friday, 30 August 2013 14:19 (three years ago) Permalink

In the other laurel canyon book graham Nash seemed pretty chill and decent too.

Spot Lange (Jon Lewis), Friday, 30 August 2013 14:22 (three years ago) Permalink

I'm gonna dissent here; I actually like this song, especially the guitar solo outro. It's available individually on Amazon MP3, too; I think I might tack it onto the debut album in my iPod.

誤訳侮辱, Friday, 30 August 2013 14:47 (three years ago) Permalink

idk why but I always get the feeling that Graham Nash is a secret dick. He seems chill and decent p much all the time, but in a way that makes me suspicious that he's just doing that bcz Stills and Crosby couldn't hide it

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 30 August 2013 15:08 (three years ago) Permalink

unsupportable theory, just the weird way my brain works

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 30 August 2013 15:08 (three years ago) Permalink

He is a secret dick. Every quote I've read suggests he's intensely conscious about PR and projecting affability. Besides, Neil Young must have had a reason to always find excuses to stop hanging out with him.

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 30 August 2013 15:09 (three years ago) Permalink

i don't know if i've heard this before or if it's reminding of something else with a similar chord progression.

pplains otm re Chilton

|citation needed| (will), Friday, 30 August 2013 15:16 (three years ago) Permalink

maybe Neil just wanted to play with his train sets more

Euler, Friday, 30 August 2013 15:17 (three years ago) Permalink

Is Neil a good guy? I mean I'd love to hang out with him, but I'm not sure I'd be expecting a mellowed-out good time as such.

Ismael Klata, Friday, 30 August 2013 15:18 (three years ago) Permalink

I have friends who've worked for Nash creating album art and they say good things about him fwiw

Euler, Friday, 30 August 2013 15:18 (three years ago) Permalink

love neil but i'd bet he's pretty prone to dickishness.

|citation needed| (will), Friday, 30 August 2013 15:20 (three years ago) Permalink

Neil's dickishness is more charming than Nash's mushy hippie passive aggressive kindness

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 30 August 2013 15:21 (three years ago) Permalink

I mean, I'd kick both out of bed and so would you.

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 30 August 2013 15:21 (three years ago) Permalink

maybe for celeb watching but irl I'd rather chat with Nash than try to figure out Neil's moods

xp ha

Euler, Friday, 30 August 2013 15:22 (three years ago) Permalink

i would love to hang out with graham nash! he probably knows where all the good restaurants are.

scott seward, Friday, 30 August 2013 15:24 (three years ago) Permalink

Neil seems like a bit of an ornery dude, like I dunno that he doesn't hide how he feels as much --seems like he could be hard to work with if he didn't like you but otherwise, I mean it's Uncle Neil!

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 30 August 2013 15:26 (three years ago) Permalink

neil though...would be like hanging out with dylan. does he like me? does he think i'm stupid? wait, when he asked me how i liked the lobster was he being sarcastic? oh god he hates me! oh no maybe if i tell him again how awesome he is...

too much pressure.

scott seward, Friday, 30 August 2013 15:27 (three years ago) Permalink

he came across fairly dickish more than once shakey.

he was mean to America. America! like, i get that they were phony bubblegum ripoffs, but you're friendly with the fucking EAGLES.

|citation needed| (will), Friday, 30 August 2013 15:27 (three years ago) Permalink

well, I'd insist he pick up the check

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 30 August 2013 15:27 (three years ago) Permalink

actually i guess that applies even more to Randy Newman (who is surely a dick)

but those America guys might be total dicks, too. who knows.

|citation needed| (will), Friday, 30 August 2013 15:29 (three years ago) Permalink

my pal george on marthas vineyard opened for neil and dylan when he was drumming for dinosaur and i was really hoping he would have juicy stories but he said they never saw those dudes they would just appear on stage when it was time to play. they didn't hang with anyone. probably depends on their mood. they are probably so sick of people.

scott seward, Friday, 30 August 2013 15:29 (three years ago) Permalink

someone told me a story about a renowned dick. a local guy here was in new orleans having dinner with people and one of the people was in los lobos and at the table next to theirs was paul simon and everyone at the los lobos table was talking about richard thompson and paul simon leaned in and asked them who they were talking about and they told him richard thompson and paul simon had no idea who that was. i thought that was weird. someone told me that yesterday. also thought it was weird that they were dining with a guy from los lobos given the whole simon/los lobos debacle.

scott seward, Friday, 30 August 2013 15:33 (three years ago) Permalink

just thought i'd share that.

scott seward, Friday, 30 August 2013 15:33 (three years ago) Permalink

paul simon is secretly lame! haha.

no fomo (La Lechera), Friday, 30 August 2013 15:36 (three years ago) Permalink

I don't know—never having heard of Richard Thompson feels like a good thing to me. I wish I'd never heard of him.

誤訳侮辱, Friday, 30 August 2013 15:38 (three years ago) Permalink

paul simon is secretly lame! haha.

77 thread title

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 30 August 2013 15:39 (three years ago) Permalink

oh come on -- everyone paul simon's age should know who richard thompson is esp if they used britfolk melodies to sing about parsley

no fomo (La Lechera), Friday, 30 August 2013 15:43 (three years ago) Permalink

lyrics aside, "mood" makes me think of some throwaway Stills/ Manassas cut (p great album btw)

|citation needed| (will), Friday, 30 August 2013 15:47 (three years ago) Permalink

There's a lot of things Paul Simon doesn't know.

He goes, "Yeah, I did this in Louisiana with this zy decko guy." And he kept saying it over and over. And I remember having to tell him, "Paul, it's pronounced zydeco. It's not zy decko, it's zydeco."

Shart Week (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 30 August 2013 15:48 (three years ago) Permalink

haha!
oh paul simon
i should have said everyone in his peer group, not his age
i would def expect paul simon to know who richard thompson is by name if not necessarily by sight

no fomo (La Lechera), Friday, 30 August 2013 15:51 (three years ago) Permalink

I was at the dentist yesterday and he was telling me how his kids went to school with Neil's kids, which he was unaware of until Neil started showing up at PTA meetings ("looking like a homeless guy") and chatting up the other parents. he said Neil was really nice, invited folks back to his ranch, which he said was huge but not ostentatious, really pretty psychedelic stained glass, barns, etc.

what's up ugly girls? (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 30 August 2013 16:03 (three years ago) Permalink

Turned out it was all a ruse to get them to invest in PONO.

Shart Week (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 30 August 2013 16:05 (three years ago) Permalink

i worry about pono sometimes

everything I do is funky like Debussy (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 30 August 2013 16:14 (three years ago) Permalink

Whatever else Young's a superb dad by all accounts. It wouldn't surprise me that he and Pegi would be sweethearts to PTA parents; the latter want nothing out of him.

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 30 August 2013 16:18 (three years ago) Permalink

yeah i wouldn't be surprised if neil was nicer to just some random person that would talk to him about cars or the weather or something than a fan who loved his music

everything I do is funky like Debussy (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 30 August 2013 16:22 (three years ago) Permalink

fwiw my dentist was not a "fan" of Neil and didn't recognize who he was

what's up ugly girls? (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 30 August 2013 16:24 (three years ago) Permalink

last year at the bridge benefit we were sitting behind this couple and their 2 little kids, and at some point I told the wife how cute her kids were. she said that a couple of years ago her sister had been babysitting the kids and took them to a diner near Redwood City. This guy who turned out to be Neil Young was ordering coffee and noticed the kids, and came over to the table and told the sister how adorable they were etc, he ended up sitting down at the table with her and talking to the kids and playing with them. Sister says to the waitress after he left, 'what a nice man' and the waitress gives her a look and says, 'That was Neil Young'

I was just about yelling at the woman HOLY SHIT YOUR SISTER DOESN'T KNOW WHO NEIL YOUNG IS?

but it was a really beautiful story

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 30 August 2013 16:36 (three years ago) Permalink

Paul Simon also doesn't know who Neil young is.

i believe we can c.h.u.d. all night (Jon Lewis), Friday, 30 August 2013 16:37 (three years ago) Permalink

that woman was paul simon

woah

everything I do is funky like Debussy (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 30 August 2013 16:38 (three years ago) Permalink

Sweet baby Paul

i believe we can c.h.u.d. all night (Jon Lewis), Friday, 30 August 2013 16:39 (three years ago) Permalink

This song is like the bastard child of Alex Chilton (pplains otm) and Stephen Stills (will otm, but lyrically this is like him too--remember his tmi jams "Make Love To You" and "Fair Game"?) (not Manassas, but whatever). Was this the song that got dropped for "Nightingale"? Weird that it never got collected on an album--you'd think with so little rare or unreleased Eagles material it would have been on the box set or something.

A Made Man In The Mellow Mafia (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 30 August 2013 17:30 (three years ago) Permalink

Also, I had to grab my copy of CSN to sure I had "Fair Game" correct, and Chilton's Free Again was directly under it in the stack. Eerie.

A Made Man In The Mellow Mafia (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 30 August 2013 17:33 (three years ago) Permalink

"Make Love To You" and "Fair Game"?

ha i don't know these but going to listen to them right now

|citation needed| (will), Friday, 30 August 2013 17:49 (three years ago) Permalink

I bet Neil is fine to hang with, but his circle is pretty tight. Randy Newman is a bro, don't think he's a dick, have talked with him a few times and he was cool. There is no way Paul Simon did not know Richard Thompson, or if he didn't, he had surely heard him in Fairport, or whatever. Maybe he misheard? Los Lobos guys I have heard could be dicks. To this day I know people who dread booking them because they shut the place down. They are always the last to leave, with the bar dry.

Was reading the Sammy Hagar book, and he and Eddie played the Bridge School benefit once (!). Paul Simon was there and asked Eddie if he wanted to do "Sound of Silence" and Eddie didn't know it. Now that I believe.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 30 August 2013 19:31 (three years ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzZsl1YVkZw

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 30 August 2013 19:32 (three years ago) Permalink

Dying here. That EVH cameo is straight out of St. Sanders.

Vast Halo, Friday, 30 August 2013 19:53 (three years ago) Permalink

Is Neil a good guy? I mean I'd love to hang out with him, but I'm not sure I'd be expecting a mellowed-out good time as such.

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/books/2012/10/the-vexing-simplicity-of-neil-young.html

"On the ride Young told me that he didn’t read, but I might have guessed anyway. He was a reserved and slightly grave figure, and talking with him was like being trapped with someone whose mind had no reach. He could only talk about what he felt or had seen or thought. I couldn’t respond to one of his remarks by raising an idea it had made me think of and have him make some connection to some other thought and then respond to that. A part of him seemed to have been arrested at a very early age."

fact checking cuz, Friday, 30 August 2013 21:20 (three years ago) Permalink

plus, he's a victim of Stills abuse. hard to come back from.

scott seward, Friday, 30 August 2013 21:26 (three years ago) Permalink

again in that hotel california book people were dumfounded that neil would hang with stills for so long cuz stills was so horrible to him. but neil loved jamming with stills so i guess that was worth it.

scott seward, Friday, 30 August 2013 21:27 (three years ago) Permalink

probably a lot more of that in the shakey book i haven't read it.

scott seward, Friday, 30 August 2013 21:27 (three years ago) Permalink

btw never believed that line about Young not reading.

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 30 August 2013 21:28 (three years ago) Permalink

scott! You'll love the Shakey book!

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 30 August 2013 21:28 (three years ago) Permalink

Young probably got his licks in on Stills too. That story in Sharkey about Young conning Stills into overpaying for a guitar could just be the tip of that cocaine iceberg.

A Made Man In The Mellow Mafia (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 30 August 2013 21:32 (three years ago) Permalink

"Shakey"...stupid pono phone.

A Made Man In The Mellow Mafia (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 30 August 2013 21:33 (three years ago) Permalink

if Stills had been in the Eagles then I would understand the hate for the band that's the genesis of this thread. & I like CSN! but Stills is gross and his CSN(Y) (& springfield) songs are by and large the worst of those bands. BLAHHHHK QUEEEN oh fuck you

Euler, Friday, 30 August 2013 21:35 (three years ago) Permalink

well, the dude did write the lyric "Forgive me if my fantasies might seem a little shopworn."

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 30 August 2013 21:41 (three years ago) Permalink

The Eagles didn't need Stills...they had Frey!

A Made Man In The Mellow Mafia (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 30 August 2013 21:42 (three years ago) Permalink

Dallas Taylor's book is worth checking out for lots of disturbing CSN stories.

Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 31 August 2013 00:38 (three years ago) Permalink

i worry about pono sometimes

otm

Badmotorfinger Debate Club (MFB), Saturday, 31 August 2013 05:28 (three years ago) Permalink

it took four members of the brain trust to write this song:

"Doolin-Dalton" (Glenn Frey, J. D. Souther, Don Henley, Jackson Browne)

and to be fair it actually sounds like an effort, you know? they were trying, man.

scott seward, Saturday, 31 August 2013 14:08 (three years ago) Permalink

at least they look like they could hit a gay bar

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 31 August 2013 14:36 (three years ago) Permalink

"Graveyards filled with tombstones, waiting for the names" -- this is not how tombstones work iirc

Brad C., Saturday, 31 August 2013 14:39 (three years ago) Permalink

I always thought this look was pretty dope. Looking forward to finding out why it bombed.

Ismael Klata, Saturday, 31 August 2013 15:12 (three years ago) Permalink

well, not making "desperado" a single might be one reason!

scott seward, Saturday, 31 August 2013 15:21 (three years ago) Permalink

It wasn't?!

Ismael Klata, Saturday, 31 August 2013 15:25 (three years ago) Permalink

and Alice Cooper's was still better.

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 31 August 2013 15:26 (three years ago) Permalink

"tequila sunrise" and "outlaw man" were the singles.

Year Single Chart Position
1973 "Outlaw Man" Billboard Pop Singles 59
1973 "Tequila Sunrise" Billboard Pop Singles 64

scott seward, Saturday, 31 August 2013 15:31 (three years ago) Permalink

the album got to number 41 in the states. did better on canadian charts. which makes sense as canada was suffering from stampeders fever.

http://s.cdon.com/media-dynamic/images/product/music/album/image5/rubes_dudes_rowdies_import-stampeders-1195523-frnt.jpg

scott seward, Saturday, 31 August 2013 15:33 (three years ago) Permalink

stampedin' into your heart!

http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/2CPt3eSBJiQ/maxresdefault.jpg

scott seward, Saturday, 31 August 2013 15:35 (three years ago) Permalink

As with the first LP, you can spy the path of an alternate Eagles here: a mildly ambitious country-rock band that petered out around 1975. Fair to say this is the most Leadon-influenced album?

col, Saturday, 31 August 2013 15:38 (three years ago) Permalink

my pal michael robbins wrote the best Eagles poem. i forgot about it. i wish i could copy it here but i don't know how to copy googlebooks stuff. its here:

http://books.google.com/books?id=SC-ptkaj8UQC&pg=PT43&lpg=PT43&dq=%22michael+robbins%22+%22desperado%22&source=bl&ots=MxctQbFe4e&sig=1YzF915aX3GqB0iedfP4tWRfOCA&hl=en&sa=X&ei=UhAiUvPuE_PHsATGkYHIDg&ved=0CDIQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=%22michael%20robbins%22%20%22desperado%22&f=false

scott seward, Saturday, 31 August 2013 15:59 (three years ago) Permalink

Yeah this is really good, can hardly fault this at all. Maybe have Henley singing the whole thing, The Eagles need a bit of grit and he's the raspiest. This has plenty grit even without that though, and the great merit of cutting in with a minor chord or something whenever things start to get trite ('lay down your law books...' - in fact the end of every verse, which is nicely done).

It's a good piece of writing, nice arrangement (harmonica suits them well), and pretty much ideal to open a concept album. I suspect said concept album is going less interesting places than it might, but that's another day. Best since Witchy Woman anyway.

Ismael Klata, Saturday, 31 August 2013 17:24 (three years ago) Permalink

I love this song, not gonna front

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 31 August 2013 18:21 (three years ago) Permalink

I like this one. It achieves that rare feat of a concept album track being able to both set up a narrative and push the story ahead within a 3:30 run time. The "Better keep on movin'" part reminds be of the Derek & The Dominoes version of "Little Wing".

A Made Man In The Mellow Mafia (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 31 August 2013 19:32 (three years ago) Permalink

Never heard this album (apart from the singles) all the way through. Henley's vocals on this reminds me of Rod Stewart a little. Was ready to launch into a Two Minute Hate, but it's a good song.

Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 31 August 2013 20:15 (three years ago) Permalink

http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/4vX9v-RF9Es/hqdefault.jpg

Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 31 August 2013 20:17 (three years ago) Permalink

ha, everyone was so ready to hate. hey, this song is good!

scott seward, Saturday, 31 August 2013 20:30 (three years ago) Permalink

i was looking forward to this album tbrr

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 31 August 2013 20:33 (three years ago) Permalink

i was talking to this great guy i know - he's a musician who performs under the name Dredd Foole - and i asked him what his earliest memories of the eagles were. what he thought of them at the time. and i kinda figured he would wrinkle his nose and all that, but he said that Desperado was an album that really meant a lot to him at the time. that album and Carney by Leon Russell. those albums fit his mood/frame of mind at that moment. it made me want to play them both.

scott seward, Saturday, 31 August 2013 20:47 (three years ago) Permalink

My favourite Eagles record fwiw

Sir Lord Baltimora (Myonga Vön Bontee), Saturday, 31 August 2013 20:51 (three years ago) Permalink

(I used to have that first Dredd Foole album!)

Sir Lord Baltimora (Myonga Vön Bontee), Saturday, 31 August 2013 20:53 (three years ago) Permalink

Missing two pages (stupid Googlebooks), but here's Grace Lichtenstein's essay on the Desperado lp from Stranded

A Made Man In The Mellow Mafia (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 31 August 2013 21:08 (three years ago) Permalink

I had the first dredd foole and the din album too!

i believe we can c.h.u.d. all night (Jon Lewis), Saturday, 31 August 2013 21:13 (three years ago) Permalink

I like that essay; stoked for the album now

Ismael Klata, Saturday, 31 August 2013 21:19 (three years ago) Permalink

This is decent, but it kind of makes me think that, in their heart of hearts, they really wanted to be the west coast Band.

Shart Week (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 31 August 2013 21:33 (three years ago) Permalink

^^^

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 31 August 2013 21:35 (three years ago) Permalink

I had the Dredd Foole and the Din album too. Downloaded it to hear it again a few months ago, in fact.

誤訳侮辱, Saturday, 31 August 2013 21:53 (three years ago) Permalink

I was 12 or 13 the first time I heard this album, my dad or step-mother owned a copy.

This track felt portentous, like the opening scenes of a grown-up Western. I'd seen "Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid" but but this seemed darker and meaner: Bill Dalton is not buying either God's will or the law books, he's cussing, he's clearly a serious outlaw. His sidekick appears out of nowhere and joins up like one of the Magnificent Seven. They ride out. To be continued!

At this point I was totally on-board. I loved how the album cover looked like the Time-Life "Old West" books I was getting in the mail:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b5/Thecowboys.jpg

Brad C., Saturday, 31 August 2013 22:58 (three years ago) Permalink

Don't get the love for this one; find it rather dull and unspectacular country-rock, especially for an album opener.

Lee626, Saturday, 31 August 2013 23:37 (three years ago) Permalink

Wow, the Time-Life "Old West" series!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8kZDZ4eXXk

Sir Lord Baltimora (Myonga Vön Bontee), Sunday, 1 September 2013 01:01 (three years ago) Permalink

in the 70's there were Osmonds...and lots of cowboys.

scott seward, Sunday, 1 September 2013 01:06 (three years ago) Permalink

and Osmonds dressed as cowboys. obviously. from time to time anyway.

scott seward, Sunday, 1 September 2013 01:08 (three years ago) Permalink

[osmondscrazyhorses.jpg] haha xpost

Sir Lord Baltimora (Myonga Vön Bontee), Sunday, 1 September 2013 01:12 (three years ago) Permalink

Well they were a little bit country iirc

i believe we can c.h.u.d. all night (Jon Lewis), Sunday, 1 September 2013 01:20 (three years ago) Permalink

The story of the Desperado artwork:

http://youtu.be/lcTTdwv1Xp4

A Made Man In The Mellow Mafia (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 1 September 2013 01:32 (three years ago) Permalink

Digging this. Maybe because it reminds me of the Flying Burrito Brothers' "Christine's Tune." But so far, my favorite/least-annoying Eagles harmony singing.

Shart Week (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 1 September 2013 13:47 (three years ago) Permalink

pretty much "Son of Earlybird" but fine enough (Leadon's main lyrical theme of the time was "being young and a slacker is great, man"---hell, there are worse themes).

col, Sunday, 1 September 2013 13:58 (three years ago) Permalink

The subtitle “Musical Memoir” signals what Ms. Ronstadt’s book is about, but also what it’s not about — the hedonistic excesses of the pop star’s life. She sidesteps the rampant drug use, though in conversation she acknowledged, “I tried everything,” including cocaine, which she did to such excess that she needed to have her nose cauterized, twice. For Ms. Ronstadt, who was often the only woman on the bus and in the hotel, those were not always happy times. “All the men chased girls,” she said. “They were good guys,” she reflected. “Well, no they weren’t. They were cowboys. They were gunslingers.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/01/arts/music/linda-ronstadt-discusses-her-memoir-and-parkinsons.html?pagewanted=1&_r=0

scott seward, Sunday, 1 September 2013 13:58 (three years ago) Permalink

I keep hearing songs like this and going, Really? The best-selling American band of all time?

But then I look at the list, see that ABBA even beats them and go, Damn, American bands. Get with it.

The Beatles
Michael Jackson,
Madonna
Led Zeppelin,
Elton John
Pink Floyd
Mariah Carey
Celine Dion,
AC/DC
Whitney Houston
The Rolling Stones
Queen
ABBA
Eagles

pplains, Sunday, 1 September 2013 15:34 (three years ago) Permalink

Doolin Dalton is nice and I like 21, I'm a sucker for banjo ..not a bad start

everything I do is funky like Debussy (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 1 September 2013 16:09 (three years ago) Permalink

The Eagles have the best-selling album in the US, but Thriller still trounces it in the rest of the world.

Shart Week (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 1 September 2013 16:12 (three years ago) Permalink

Best selling album in the U.S. that's not a compilation by an American band : Rumours

Best selling album in the U.S. that's not a compilation by a full-blooded American band: Appetite for Destruction

Best selling album in the U.S. that's not a compilation by a full-blooded American band not from California: Boston

pplains, Sunday, 1 September 2013 16:27 (three years ago) Permalink

Nice one. A cool step back from "Doolin'"'s cinematic panorama. Who's on dobro?

A Made Man In The Mellow Mafia (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 1 September 2013 16:49 (three years ago) Permalink

Bernie.

scott seward, Sunday, 1 September 2013 16:55 (three years ago) Permalink

Fleetwood Mac is an American band?

誤訳侮辱, Sunday, 1 September 2013 17:12 (three years ago) Permalink

the restrictive clauses are confusing

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 1 September 2013 17:23 (three years ago) Permalink

I think of them as more of a multinational, the result of a series of well-planned mergers.

誤訳侮辱, Sunday, 1 September 2013 17:23 (three years ago) Permalink

They are not coming to your town, nor will they help you party down.

Shart Week (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 1 September 2013 17:28 (three years ago) Permalink

loool

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 1 September 2013 17:37 (three years ago) Permalink

Fleetwood Mac is an American band?

That's why I had to add "full-blooded" to the next one. Thank God it wasn't Foreigner.

pplains, Sunday, 1 September 2013 17:59 (three years ago) Permalink

I wasn't aware until this week that Desperado and its singles sold relatively poorly upon its release. Unless there's some deep cuts I'm unaware of (and of course, there are many), I think they gave up this banjo-y stuff once they made it huge.

Lee626, Sunday, 1 September 2013 21:29 (three years ago) Permalink

It's going to be weird doing a concept album day-by-day. What'm I supposed to say about Twenty-One? It's a banjo-led ditty that doesn't sound like The Eagles. I'd never listen to it if we weren't doing this thread. It's ... I don't know what it is.

Ismael Klata, Sunday, 1 September 2013 21:36 (three years ago) Permalink

Xpost Actually there's banjo stuff as long as Leadon was in the band.

A Made Man In The Mellow Mafia (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 1 September 2013 22:11 (three years ago) Permalink

makes sense

Lee626, Sunday, 1 September 2013 22:31 (three years ago) Permalink

I had this silly image in my head of Bernie Leadon just constantly walking around playing banjo the whole time he's in the Eagles, it's just that they only decided to mike him every now and then

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 1 September 2013 22:53 (three years ago) Permalink

so far, this is my fave deep cut. it moves, it's got some banjo, and, well, the competition from the other deep cuts isn't all that strong.

that's not my post, Monday, 2 September 2013 06:04 (three years ago) Permalink

You have to be 21 if you want to chug all night.

A Made Man In The Mellow Mafia (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 2 September 2013 06:06 (three years ago) Permalink

I had this silly image in my head of Bernie Leadon just constantly walking around playing banjo the whole time he's in the Eagles, it's just that they only decided to mike him every now and then

Makes me wish this was on Desperado.

A Made Man In The Mellow Mafia (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 2 September 2013 08:48 (three years ago) Permalink

"Out Of Control"

http://i.imgur.com/MmliVkD.jpg

http://youtu.be/g23Qj9iUgOA

scott seward, Monday, 2 September 2013 13:20 (three years ago) Permalink

This is rubbish. What are they thinking, putting this average bar band boogie third up on their big concept album?

Ismael Klata, Monday, 2 September 2013 13:25 (three years ago) Permalink

reminds me a little of Slade.

scott seward, Monday, 2 September 2013 13:27 (three years ago) Permalink

Glenn Frey takes another dump midway through the 1st side of an Eagles record.

col, Monday, 2 September 2013 13:37 (three years ago) Permalink

song plays over montage of Tom Cruise taking shots and impressing girl in 1987 Jerry Bruckheimer flick.

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 September 2013 13:39 (three years ago) Permalink

Actually there's banjo stuff as long as Leadon was in the band.

He did some pretty mean pickin' on one song on the BBC In Concert programme - I confess i have no idea what the song was, but it was one of these:

*Train Leaves Here This Morning
Saturday Night
*Peaceful Easy Feeling
Certain Kind Of Fool
Early Bird
Out Of Control
*Witchy Woman
*Take It Easy

*not these, I know those songs

Tommy McTommy (Tom D.), Monday, 2 September 2013 13:45 (three years ago) Permalink

Henley's drumming is surprisingly lively. But this is basically a 2nd-rate "Fool for the City" or "Rock & Roll Band" (the Boston song).

Shart Week (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 2 September 2013 14:26 (three years ago) Permalink

Sounds like a tape of my college-era band rehearsing - we could never all agree when to end the song and everyone wanted to get in the last lick.

Lee626, Monday, 2 September 2013 14:35 (three years ago) Permalink

I was kinda liking this album until this song....

Lee626, Monday, 2 September 2013 14:36 (three years ago) Permalink

Glenn Frey takes another dump midway through the 1st side of an Eagles record.

― col, Monday, September 2, 2013 9:37 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

beautifully put.

call all destroyer, Monday, 2 September 2013 15:47 (three years ago) Permalink

the first two songs on this record might actually get you thinking that there's a whole record of reasonably enjoyable music ahead of you, and then this song is like no way man you're still just listening to the eagles.

call all destroyer, Monday, 2 September 2013 15:49 (three years ago) Permalink

chug or go home!

scott seward, Monday, 2 September 2013 15:55 (three years ago) Permalink

down here we all chug

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 2 September 2013 16:59 (three years ago) Permalink

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/4436/4y9.png

pplains, Monday, 2 September 2013 17:15 (three years ago) Permalink

Xpost lol

You'll chug too

i believe we can c.h.u.d. all night (Jon Lewis), Monday, 2 September 2013 17:46 (three years ago) Permalink

reminds me a little of Slade.

Scott otm. "Out Ov Controll" anyone? It stands to reason the Eagles would soak up some Glam influence recording in London in '72-3. Of course Slade Did This Stuff Better.

A Made Man In The Mellow Mafia (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 2 September 2013 17:54 (three years ago) Permalink

Don't hate this. At worst, I'm as indifferent to it as I've been to all of the non-singles we've covered so far 'cept "Doolin Dalton" (which I like!) and "Take the Devil" (which sucks).

the vineyards where the grapes of corporate rock are stored (cryptosicko), Monday, 2 September 2013 18:37 (three years ago) Permalink

http://www.glennfreyonline.com/images/desperadobackbig.jpg

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 2 September 2013 19:30 (three years ago) Permalink

with a better voice and a better hook, "out of control" could be a mid-'70s wings album cut.

fact checking cuz, Monday, 2 September 2013 19:34 (three years ago) Permalink

but not better playing

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 September 2013 19:41 (three years ago) Permalink

with a better voice and a better hook, "out of control" could be a mid-'70s wings album cut.

Youch.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 2 September 2013 20:15 (three years ago) Permalink

Spotify: "You listened to the Eagles this week. Want to try Dr. Hook?"

Brad C., Monday, 2 September 2013 20:39 (three years ago) Permalink

I got that recommendation yesterday too, though with no mention of the Eagles

Next: daily track-by-track Dr. Hook & the Medicine Show oeuvre walkthrough and discussion

574 srsly (Lee626), Monday, 2 September 2013 20:49 (three years ago) Permalink

i bought this record for 3 bucks yesterday and pretty much everything on it is better than everything we have listened to so far. and the don nix production seriously gives glyn a run for his money. sounds amazing.

https://sphotos-a-atl.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/564994_10152483722702137_1028524033_n.jpg

scott seward, Monday, 2 September 2013 20:53 (three years ago) Permalink

also got a pristine u.k. pressing of journeys from gospel oak by ian matthews for 3 bucks (so sad that his records sell for nothing these days) and god that album is beautiful and what a sound! also mostly better than what we've heard. everyone should hear that album. and its even more applicable to eagles. same time period. gene clark song. etc.

scott seward, Monday, 2 September 2013 21:05 (three years ago) Permalink

there's a Fairport & related ballot poll coming up! Matthews alone has made about 30 albums

574 srsly (Lee626), Monday, 2 September 2013 21:13 (three years ago) Permalink

yeah, you don't need all 30. the first 10 will do.

scott seward, Monday, 2 September 2013 21:13 (three years ago) Permalink

actually you only need nine of them. the 3 southern comfort albums, the plainsong album, and the solo albums up to and including Some Days You Eat The Bear. some days you eat the bear has tom waits, gene clark, and steely dan covers.

scott seward, Monday, 2 September 2013 21:21 (three years ago) Permalink

I've had all of those on my emusic save list for like 6 years now. When will I finally buy them arrrgh.

i believe we can c.h.u.d. all night (Jon Lewis), Monday, 2 September 2013 21:22 (three years ago) Permalink

xp I only have one of each. I like Fairport's cover of "Tried So Hard" better than Gene's though so must check out Eat The Bear

574 srsly (Lee626), Monday, 2 September 2013 21:30 (three years ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyx8koGcaUE

scott seward, Monday, 2 September 2013 21:50 (three years ago) Permalink

valley hi album has a kinda eagles-centric track-listing:

Keep On Sailing" (Ian Matthews) - 4:42
"Old Man at the Mill" (Traditional) - 2:30
"Shady Lies" (Richard Thompson) - 3:54
"These Days" (Jackson Browne) - 4:23
"Leaving Alone" (Ian Matthews) - 3:34
"Seven Bridges Road" (Steve Young) - 4:05
"Save Your Sorrows" (Ian Matthews) - 2:22
"What Are You Waiting For" (Randy Newman) - 4:18
"Propinquity" (Michael Nesmith) - 2:51
"Blue Blue Day" (Don Gibson) - 3:15

scott seward, Monday, 2 September 2013 21:53 (three years ago) Permalink

and i didn't even know that the eagles covered seven bridges road until 2 second ago! ha, so even more eagles-centric than i thought.

scott seward, Monday, 2 September 2013 21:56 (three years ago) Permalink

I think the Eagles picked 7BR up from Matthews.

A Made Man In The Mellow Mafia (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 2 September 2013 22:14 (three years ago) Permalink

Wow this song is a turd

everything I do is funky like Debussy (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 2 September 2013 22:19 (three years ago) Permalink

my local classic rock station plays the Eagles 7BR all the time, def one of my fav tracks by them.

to smang a topanga (some dude), Monday, 2 September 2013 22:37 (three years ago) Permalink

Am I the first person to ever use the phrase "a poor man's Chug All Night"?

everything I do is funky like Debussy (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 2 September 2013 23:51 (three years ago) Permalink

yes, it is almost certain that you are

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 3 September 2013 00:01 (three years ago) Permalink

I think Don Henley dropped that zing a time or two.

A Made Man In The Mellow Mafia (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 3 September 2013 00:02 (three years ago) Permalink

short and sweet. i really do miss songs that are under 3 minutes long.

scott seward, Tuesday, 3 September 2013 13:47 (three years ago) Permalink

Just caught up with a ~rockin 4fer~. I'm down with everything on this lp so far except for the abominable OOC. TS is just lovely and it's a good thing it comes right after OOC to salve some of the Frey hate brought on by the latter.

i believe we can c.h.u.d. all night (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 3 September 2013 14:05 (three years ago) Permalink

This is lovely, the steel guitar and harmonies are the standout sounds for me, with the sigh in the coda the best thing of all. All guitars sound exquisite as usual. I don't like the percussion so much though; the hi-hat is as silly and overload as anything I'd play myself, and whatever the most prominent drum noise is (woodblock?), I could live without that.

It slips over like warm honey though, not really my thing. I daresay it's a wonderful oasis in context though, going by Out Of Control anyway, but it doesn't move me.

Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 3 September 2013 14:05 (three years ago) Permalink

in my mind "Tequila Sunrise" is far more oppressive than the song actually is. Well-played (Leadon as usual is tops, but Henley's also really solid here), mercifully concise, with probably Frey's most humane vocal. It's enough to forgive a quasi-cowboy song inspired by a popular LA drink and all of the myriad dreadful bar-band covers of it (& Eagles performances) in the four decades since its release.

col, Tuesday, 3 September 2013 14:05 (three years ago) Permalink

Chug is absolutely > OOC. At least if you stripped out the vocal on chug you'd have a decent track.

i believe we can c.h.u.d. all night (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 3 September 2013 14:07 (three years ago) Permalink

i dig tequila sunrise

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 3 September 2013 14:31 (three years ago) Permalink

^^ love this movie

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 3 September 2013 15:16 (three years ago) Permalink

movie and song are p good imo

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 3 September 2013 15:40 (three years ago) Permalink

This song still puts me to sleep.

the vineyards where the grapes of corporate rock are stored (cryptosicko), Tuesday, 3 September 2013 15:51 (three years ago) Permalink

Tequila Sunrise makes me think of that thing Travolta said on Inside The Actors Studio, about researching heroin when he played Vincent Vega; ie an addict told him to recreate the feeling of a heroin high without shooting heroin drink a bottle of tequila and go lie down in a hot bath.

this song sounds like a bottle of tequila in a hot bath

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 3 September 2013 15:56 (three years ago) Permalink

Hmm, I'm thinking the bathwater is lukewarm, bit of a soapfilm on the surface.

I mean, it's not exactly "Deep Blue Day".

pplains, Tuesday, 3 September 2013 15:59 (three years ago) Permalink

So... nauseating? xp

I like this song fine. It evokes a sad wistfulness that may come from the song or may come from how I felt once long ago when I heard the song, but it's pretty, especially the steel guitar.

I think this is the Eagles album that really captured my stepfather's devotion since he is a sucker for US Wild West mythology, so it's nice to listen to the tracks from that perspective.

carl agatha, Tuesday, 3 September 2013 16:01 (three years ago) Permalink

Nice 12-string on the bridge. Lyric about a lonely guy drinking said spirit, hanging at a bar at night whilst working a dull day job, having a woman hit on him, still getting nowhere, watching the sun come up, bringing another day just like the last one.

Kinda like this one more than I realized.

574 srsly (Lee626), Tuesday, 3 September 2013 16:09 (three years ago) Permalink

Surprisingly good Frey vocal. I like this track ... it's soporific but that fits the lyrical content.

By this point in the album, any hope of continuity for the Doolin-Dalton storyline is already gone (I envision my 12-year-old self getting bored, reading a comic book).

I watched most of that Eagles doc last night. The first half hour has some hilarious Spinal Tap moments, including Frey's attempt to explain the Old West armed robbery = playing in a soft rock band concept. No one comes across as pleasant or interesting, except maybe Leadon. I should have bailed on it earlier than I did.

Woke up with horrible Eagles earworms, why am I doing this to myself?

Brad C., Tuesday, 3 September 2013 16:50 (three years ago) Permalink

tequila sunrise is way better than i remembered

My Little Pono (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 3 September 2013 17:13 (three years ago) Permalink

kind of a weird one, structurally. it's basically six verses (including the instrumental break, which is played over a single verse) interrupted by two unrelated bridges.

lyrically, i'm thrown by the pronoun switch from "he" to "i."

fact checking cuz, Tuesday, 3 September 2013 17:46 (three years ago) Permalink

that second bridge ("take another shot of courage") is a dead ringer for neil young: the changes, melody, the vocal, everything.

fact checking cuz, Tuesday, 3 September 2013 17:46 (three years ago) Permalink

"Tequila Sunrise" is probably on the better side of their ubiquitous radio songs. Has a nice morning-after feel, reinforced in context appearing after "OoC", which ironically promised a rougher ride on the 'morrow. The Latin guitar in break forecasts the feel of "New Kid In Town" (which I prefer to this one). Perhaps best of all--as already pointed out by Scott--is the length. Even though there was nothing clocking in over 5 minutes on the first album, alot of the songs wore out their welcome with another minute or so to go. Figuring in the later epics the Eagles later uncorked, something with this much brevity is refreshing indeed.

A Made Man In The Mellow Mafia (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 3 September 2013 18:45 (three years ago) Permalink

frey, in general, seems like the weak link in the chain but would there have been an eagles without him? he just seems like such an unlikely rock star. like in an alternate universe he runs a shabby nightclub and does too much coke and hits on the waitresses every day until they quit. and he loses all his money and has to close his club and gets work from the local mob running numbers and he lives and dies alone. massive coronary. on the toilet. scratch tickets and beer cans littering the bathroom floor. seems so much more likely than the rock & roll hall of fame. inducted by jimmy buffett at that. wait, how is jimmy buffett a multi-millionaire again? okay, i better stop...

scott seward, Tuesday, 3 September 2013 19:16 (three years ago) Permalink

but i think frey's voice works really really well on this particular song. and the way the full-band harmonies rise up and wrap around his lead, almost as if to protect it, is kind of perfect.

fact checking cuz, Tuesday, 3 September 2013 19:22 (three years ago) Permalink

he does sound good on this! and i think he was a leader in the band. obviously. he was one of the last men standing. so, he definitely had a big role in the direction the band went in. they obviously didn't immerse themselves in extended banjo breakdowns. and as i noted long long ago on this thread, the frey and henley bands pre-eagles sounded amazingly like the eagles. as early as 1969. dudes had a vision. just such unlikely visionaries for some reason.

scott seward, Tuesday, 3 September 2013 19:35 (three years ago) Permalink

Frey also has some kind of will-to-power ambition streak going... Weakest musician and singer and obnoxious to be around, but critical in the day-to-day hustle of the 70s music biz.

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 3 September 2013 19:42 (three years ago) Permalink

definitely

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 3 September 2013 19:50 (three years ago) Permalink

did they have a scary manager or strongman? how do you do that much coke and also be aware of the day to day music biz hustle? i guess i gotta give these guys credit for stamina.

i will watch that doc when i get a chance. maybe it'll show up on netflix.

scott seward, Tuesday, 3 September 2013 19:52 (three years ago) Permalink

i always figured the really smart people were the ones who didn't do tons of drugs. and made good money.

scott seward, Tuesday, 3 September 2013 19:54 (three years ago) Permalink

although i guess they were so huge maybe it didn't really matter what they did. worked for fleetwood mac.

scott seward, Tuesday, 3 September 2013 19:54 (three years ago) Permalink

sad to read that linda ronstadt had to write that memoir because she needs the money. she made all her money touring. since her biggest hits weren't her songs.

scott seward, Tuesday, 3 September 2013 19:55 (three years ago) Permalink

their manager was Azoff, between him and Frey it's like Godzilla + Mechagodzilla. And then add some sporadic Geffen into the mix and you know for a fact that no-one will ever find out where the bodies are buried

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 3 September 2013 19:55 (three years ago) Permalink

(xp) they had an extremely scary manager/strongman!

and, it appears, "obnoxious to be around" was a crucial skill for surviving in this band. their manager/strongman had a bit of a surplus in that area.

fact checking cuz, Tuesday, 3 September 2013 19:56 (three years ago) Permalink

Agree that Frey, despite being a mediocre player, singer and a generally dreadful personality, was essential to the band: the nasty, greasy central cog in the works.

col, Tuesday, 3 September 2013 19:57 (three years ago) Permalink

"Frey just seems like such an unlikely rock star. like in an alternate universe he runs a shabby nightclub and does too much coke and hits on the waitresses every day until they quit. and he loses all his money and has to close his club and gets work from the local mob running numbers and he lives and dies alone. massive coronary. on the toilet. scratch tickets and beer cans littering the bathroom floor"

nine times out of ten, this is Frey's fate. We exist in the strange alternate timeline where he actually became a rock star.

col, Tuesday, 3 September 2013 20:00 (three years ago) Permalink

Cameron Crowe's profile on Azoff for Rolling Stone in 1978 is essential reading

A day with Irving Azoff begins and ends on The Phone. Sitting in the platinum-record-lined Los Angeles offices at Front Line management in the morning, an inconspicuous listener can watch Rock’s most influential megamanager do verbal gymnastics that rival any of his acts.

In the time of anybody else’s coffee break, he has a) informed Boz Scaggs his tax-shelter oil wells struck black gold, b) bought a new house for Dan Fogelberg, c) booked part of an Eagles summer tour and d) assured three major record-company presidents they had the inside track on Steely Dan.

“Sure I lie,” yelps the curly headed, five-foot-three Azoff as if it’s also so much mischief. “But it’s more like . . . tinting. I’ve inherited a lot of dummies’ deals. When that happens, you gotta make it right. It’s all just negotiating theatrics.”

They call him Big Shorty, the man who rules the careers of the Eagles, Dan Fogelberg, Steely Dan, Jimmy Buffett, JD Souther and Boz Scaggs. Just thirty, he is the enfant terrible of the music business. To get his clients top dollar, he’ll rip up a contract, yell, scream, terrorize, stomp, pound and destroy inanimate objects . . . gleefully. He is the American Dream taken by the balls. Many of his clients will spend their off-hours watching him “kill” on the phone.

After Azoff has moved around some $20 million of record and concert business, he throws a tweed jacket over his tennis shirt and cruises to MCA/Universal Studios in a borrowed BMW (he owns a Bentley) to show the high-ranking studio intelligentsia twenty minutes of his first executive-produced film venture, FM.

Visiting the Universal office of his friend, Vice President Verna Fields, Azoff first scans a stray release schedule and, while she is on the phone, cradles the Oscar she won for editing Jaws. “Look at this,” he says with the same wonder with which someone else might finger a gold or platinum album (of which Azoff has some seventy-five from twenty different countries). “Feel how heavy it is.” The Oscar slips from his hands and clangs against a glass display case. “Let’s get out of here,” he whispers.

The FM clip he has brought for Universal’s three-piece-suit contingent is an impressive teaser. It blasts through some clever ad-libbing from costar Martin Mull, a romantic encounter in the Q-Sky Studios and some lively Linda Ronstadt and Jimmy Buffett concert sequences. When the lights in the screening room come up, these execs can taste the youth culture revenue.

“Were sitting on a powder keg, Irving,” booms one vice-president.

“Monster, monster, monster,” another clucks. A mischievous gleam begins to take over Azoff’s cherubic face as he listens to the kudos. A moment later, he jumps to his feet. “Well,” he announces, “I’m writing you a check for $5 million and I’m taking the film with me. I can sell it to any other studio in town for ten.”

There is a ghastly silence as what’s-goin-on-here looks fills the room.

“That’s right,” Azoff continues, a little louder. “I just looked at your summer release schedule – you know, the one I’m not supposed to see. I see Stigwood, I see Spielberg . . . where am I? Nowhere. Not heavy enough for Universal, that’s where. I want a May released on this film, and it looks like I’m going somewhere else to get it.”

Within an hour the impossible has, naturally, been achieved, and Irving is back at his Front Line offices across town with his May release. But the first flush of cinematic successes has left him distracted and uncharacteristically silent. “I don’t know about that movie,” blurts Azoff. “Something’s wrong. I tell the studio it’s not authentic, they say, ‘Hey, this is movieland, nothing’s authentic.’ “I’m handcuffed.” Azoff begins to get that look about him again. He jumps up.

“Know what?” He starts yelling to himself now. “I’m 30 years old. I don’t need this shit. I’m gonna get married!”

What wedding present do you get for the guy who’s already taken everything he wanted?” Glenn Frey, guitarist/composer and mainstay of the Eagles, Azoff’s biggest clients, sits in his Coldwater Canyon home several days later and contemplates his managers two newest-by-now-official surprises. Not only has Irving set the marriage date with Rochelle Cumsky, his girlfriend of two years, but he has ordered his name taken off FM. He will still keep his percentage. “You know,” says Frey, “the man bears striking similarities to a Jewish Dennis the Menace.”

“He’s Napoleon with a heart,” says Eagle singer/writer/drummer Don Henley, perhaps Azoff’s closest friend. “But I’m always awed because he’s screaming at some guy twice his size and never gets his face crushed for it. I think it helps that people are shocked at this short, deceptively cute-looking guy who goes to the top floor of a building and just explodes on some guy for his incompetence.”

Along the way Azoff has ushered the rock music business past its last Sixties vestiges of brotherly naiveté. His philosophy, he agrees, is to get as much as possible, “but with the right creative decision. We don’t rip anybody off . . . it’s just comes down to hard, cold business. I was very fortunate, as were my clients, that the time we all hit, the business quadrupled. A gold album don’t mean shit now. If you handle an Eagles, their road crew and families, you become responsible for fifty-five people and you’re running a $15-million business. You gotta know how to handle the money. You don’t handle it right and the government’ll come take it all away from you.”

Azoff was a plump seventeen-year-old in Danville, Illinois, headed for a career in medicine when he discovered big-time rock & roll. After watching the Yardbirds play in Indiana Beach, Indiana, there was, he says, no looking back. He had already begun by hustling gigs for the hottest band in his high school, the Shades of Blue, and even offered his garage as their rehearsal room. By sixteen, he was jousting with local unions over other bands. “What can I do?” he asks. “I couldn’t play an instrument.”

After high school, a club owner/friend named Peter Pelafos, who ran a small chain of college nightclubs around the Midwest, let Irving try booking his acts. That was all Azoff needed. He was soon, to the amazement of the nearby Chicago club owners, running the affairs of eighty-six artists (like the Buckinghams and the Cyan’ Shaymes) and promoting them across five states. Suddenly, a group could make or break them whether Azoff put them on his circuit.

“I used to sit and read my ROLLING STONE about David Geffen and Bill Graham, and to me, they were gods.”

It was at Azoff’s hottest spot, the Majestic Hills, a former boat warehouse in Lake Geneva, Wisconsin, that Azoff first met James Gang guitarist Joe Walsh, who was later to join the Eagles. The 5000-seat Majestic Hills was unique for two reasons: there was a tree growing from the center of the stage, and Lake Geneva was just twenty minutes outside Chicago. Recalls Irving: “I told Walsh, ‘You know Pete Townshend was here and jumped off that tree. The guy was fuckin’ crazy.’ Middle of the set that night, Walsh got up in the tree, jumped off, fell down and nearly broke his fuckin’ leg. He comes limping over to me afterward and says, ‘Anything Pete Townshend can do, I can do.’ It was wonderful.” They did not forget each other.

We are now at Azoff’s guesthouse, an appendage of the notoriously-spacious canyon home in which he lives. He is off one of his six phone lines three minutes before his fingers start to absent-mindedly punch numbers as he speaks. When his private line buzzes a moment later, he cannot resist snapping it up.

He talks in little bursts, his voice, as always, sounding like that of a puberty-ravaged Henry Aldrich: “Yeah . . . well choke ‘em . . . no way . . . there’s no record company in the world that takes five weeks to release a soundtrack . . . I’ll call some of those nonbrains . . . ” Azoff slams down the phone and addresses the tape recorder. “Excuse me,” he says politely, “but every time I think of FM, I gotta piss.”

The sleepy community around affluent Lake Geneva, it seems, didn’t appreciate Azoff’s intrusion with big-time rock & roll, and one night, with REO Speedwagon headlining, 400 cops, national guardsmen and state troopers burst into the Majestic Hills with gas masks and rifles. They searched people, arresting thirty-five.

The next morning young Azoff found himself in front of the district attorney and sheriff. They offered Azoff a deal: don’t reopen the club next weekend and we won’t arrest you. “I said, ‘Absolutely, man, we’re closed.’ “I got across the Wisconsin state line, picked up the telephone, called WLS and had them put on the news that we would be open next weekend, as usual . . . with Black Sabbath, Jethro Tull and Mountain on three consecutive nights.

And?

Irving chirps his answer: “They enjoined me and I moved to California.”

Azoff moved his one-man agent/manager business to Los Angeles, sharing an apartment with “the one artist, out of all those acts, that I really believed in,” Dan Fogelberg, a young singer/songwriter from Champagne, Illinois. While Azoff worked for the Heller-Fischel Agency, making his name around town, Fogelberg went to work preparing the album that they hoped would “make us both rich and famous.” (It didn’t, but Fogelberg’s second LP went gold.)

The saga is interrupted by the momentous arrival of Front Line press officer and “vice-president-in-charge-of-whatever-Irving-tells-me-to-do, ” Larry Solters. Solters has brought the first pressing of the finished FM soundtrack album cover. It is soon obvious that Azoff, even without the credit/blame of his name appearing on the film or album, has retained a certain vested interest. “I will promote this record,” he says, “because it is a great record. What I’ve done is make my first album in the movie business.” Cursing the individuals involved in editing of the movie which, to quote Martin Mull, “looks like it was cut with a blowtorch,” Azoff scans the package carefully. He immediately spots errors. “They spelled Fagen’s name F-A-G-A-N.”

The fingers that have been playing about the phone again have already punched out the number to MCA/Universal. One of the album’s coordinators at MCA and a friend of Azoff’s, is away from his office, so Irving begins to address the heavens.

“Who approved this stuff? This is not what I approved. MCA’s got big problems. Donald F-A-G-E-N is the only one left who hasn’t signed the release yet.” He shouts to Solters, who is already on another line: “We may have a lawsuit here. Call Pam at the office and tell her . . . ”

“Pam quit, Irving,” says Solters.

“No notice? What?”

“She gave notice,” Solters explains. “I tried to hold on to her, offered her money and everything. She wanted to get out of the business. What could I say? Good move?”

“So who’s left in the office . . . just Nina?” Azoff instantly tracks down his office manager at another appointment. “I’m trying not to explode,” he informs the individual. “I’ve got Solters up here discussing the 47,000 fuck-ups with FM . . . Pam quit, you didn’t tell me she’s leaving . . . ”

The office manager says what must be the wrong thing. Irving suddenly throws up his hands and takes his voice to another dimension of hysteria. It is truly amazing to hear him scream: “I DON’T KNOW . . . I DON’T KNOW . . . BUT I SHOULDN’T HAVE TO FUCKING WORRY ABOUT IT . . . SO OBVIOUSLY IF YOU WANT ME TO HIRE AND FIRE PEOPLE . . . I’LL HIRE AND FIRE PEOPLE. SPRING FUCKING HOUSECLEANING! NOBODY’S SAFE. IT’S GONNA BE JUST ME IN THE GUESTHOUSE WITH TWO SECRETARIES!! JUST THOUGHT I’D LET YOU KNOW.”

He jackhammers the receiver and, purged of his demons, begins to do a little jig.

“Going strong today, Irving,” Solter observes impassively. “Just one question. Am I gonna be one of the secretaries left?”

“Yeah,” says Irving.

“Good,” says Solters. “Because the man at MCA is on the phone and I think he just slashed his wrists.”

“I was totally down and out, living in Colorado. Lost. Couldn’t get any gigs . . . made a solo album, and the IRS was auditing me three years running. My manager didn’t even care,” says Joe Walsh. After the James Gang and hits like “Walk Away” “Funk No. 49,” the guitarist had his nadir playing the Whiskey A Go Go in Hollywood for virtually no money.

“Out of nowhere, Irving came up, saying he believed in me. He was a booking agent and wanted to at least keep me working until I could straighten my career out. He never asked me to manage him. I was overwhelmed. He was the only guy I’d talked to who had answers. I just gave him everything, completely trusted him and said, ‘Help.’”

Azoff put Walsh together with the lawyer, Lee Phillips, and the two set out to untangle the numerous entanglements of Walsh’s plummeting career. Walsh eventually asked Azoff to manage him. “He said, ‘Shit, I’m flattered. That means I don’t have to be an agent anymore.’ We made a pact they’d never take us alive.”

Azoff did not have the collateral to open his own management office. At suggestion of Phillips, also David Geffen’s lawyer, Azoff went to work out of Geffen’s and Elliott Roberts’ GR Management company, bringing with him Fogelberg and Walsh.

“I had been petrified of working with David,” claims Azoff. But Geffen, who was also president of Asylum Records at the time, had just merged with Elektra records and was heading for a new office. “It ended up just me and Elliott running the office,” says Azoff. “I was a nervous wreck. We had everybody: Crosby-Nash, Joni Mitchell, Neil Young, America, the Eagles, J.D. Souther . . . David had signed Dylan, so we were working on a Band tour as a favor too. Elliot and I were going fucking crazy . . . It was way understaffed.”

Azoff was eventually dispatched to Kansas City to chaperone the Eagles along some of their ’73 Desperado tour. He found a band that was suspicious, broke and aimlessly zigzagging across the country to half-filled houses. Frey and Henley had already held secret meetings with an assistant at GR Management who had confirmed their suspicions of being “badly neglected.”

“The first night we met Irving,” remembers Frey, “Henley and I and him got in a room together. There was something about it. We started telling Irving our problems with the band, our producer, how we wanted our records not to be so clean and glassy and how we were getting the royal fuckin’ screw job.

“He told us he had come in with Walsh and Fogelberg and didn’t know himself. It was perfect from the start. Here was a guy our own age, going through exactly the same thing, catching his rising star the same time we were. We decided that night that Irving would manage us.”

The Eagles began to make public their unhappiness with the Geffen-Asylum connection as Geffen and Roberts were deciding to pare the roster down to a more manageable Neil Young and Joni Mitchell. “Geffen told the Eagles they could leave,” claims Azoff, “but I don’t think they anticipated I would take ‘em. They were pissed.”

“When were we convinced we’d made the right move? Pretty quick, admits Don Henley, six platinum albums later. “Might have been the Bahamas Incident.”

“The Bahamas Incident,” Glenn Frey agrees. There is a reverential silence as Frey silently goes over to the stereo system in the rented L.A. home where he and Henley – “my managers” as Irving calls them – are writing the songs for the next Eagles album. Frey puts on Ralph MacDonald’s eighteen-minute drum epic, “The Path,” and begins to tell the story.

“We have been with Irving six months,” Frey starts. “The Eagles were in the middle of a [1974] tour. We had two days off and didn’t want to stay in New York. We were into big gambling thing – cards all the time – so we decided to go to the Bahamas and gamble for our two days off. Henley, myself, Irving, a pilot and a girlfriend with Don take off for the Bahamas.”

Henley: “We go through this whole thing about not taking anything over. ‘Okay, now, everybody’s got to go in clean . . . . ‘ Everybody goes, ‘Yeah . . . We know . . . I’m not taking anything over, no.’ ‘Me neither.’”

“Turns out,” continues Frey, “everybody except Don and his girlfriend had some kind of dope on him. Irving, on the plane over, took twenty Valiums and put them into a sugar package and stuffed them in his shoe. I put half an ounce of marijuana and my boot. We proceeded to go off to the Bahamas, you know, figuring everything would be okay and there was no way we were gonna get caught for that little bit.

“Well . . . the first person to present her bags [at customs] was Don’s girlfriend. They started looking through her purse and found a pack of cigarette papers. The head customs man, a big guy, starts asking questions. This guy is out to bust us.

“Before we knew it, all six of us were being taken off to be searched.” Somehow, everyone else managed to dump their stuff, leaving me and Henley and Irving,” says Frey. “The two young assistants who are searching everybody physically in the next room say, ‘Who’s next?’ Irving says, ‘I am.’ We look at each other, knowing we can’t reach in our boots. He’s ready to go to jail, right now. Irving goes into the search room and . . . I know he’s getting busted. I’m just waiting for the whole sorry thing to happen . . . waiting for me to be called.

“Irving comes out of the search room five minutes later gives me a wink. Then he walks out scot-free. Now I don’t know what the fuck is happening. Next thing the two assistants are walking toward the door, saying ‘Well, that’s it, chief.’ They search Don, skip me and let us all go.

Frey smiles proudly. “Here is what happened. Irving, when he got into the search room, reached right into his boot, pulled out the Valiums and said, ‘This is what you’re looking for from me . . . I don’t have any prescription bottle with me, but my father is a pharmacist.’ Then he pulls out a fistful of twenties, our gambling money [$5000].

“They wouldn’t take his money. So Irving, on a moral level, did the great sales pitch of all time. He said, ‘Now you guys look like young guys. There’s a kid out there with a blue shirt on who has gold records all over his wall; he’s a rock star. He’s just got a couple of joints with him. If you bust him here, he can’t play in the U.K., Australia, Japan. He brings such enjoyment to people and you’re gonna end his career.”

“One assistant says, ‘If we find the dope on him, we gotta show it to the chief.’

“The other says, ‘No, we don’t', takes the Valium and gives them back to Irving,. ‘We’ll try to skip him,’ he says.

“That was a real-life panic situation. That required more fortitude than doing a concert deal with Bill Graham or something. He definitely had to dig down deep for that one. He saved our ass from winding up with an international drug charge.”

“Hell,” concludes Don Henley, “somebody’s gotta fly this thing.”

Front Line management was in the black from the start. Joe Walsh released The Smoker You Drink, The Player You Get and, as “Rocky Mountain Way” took off, he became a bigger attraction than the James Gang at their peak. Fogelberg released the gold LP Souvenirs, Walsh’s first production. And Azoff introduced the Eagles to a new producer, Bills Szymczyk, and their pivotal On The Border album (featuring “The Best of My Love” ) was finished. “We were,” says Big Shorty, “off to giant start.”

When David Geffen left the Elektra/Asylum post for Warner Brothers films, Azoff was the new empire-builder in town. He hired in-house everything on a fee basis, voraciously eliminating the needless percentages of business management (five percent), a booking agent (ten percent), publicity and more. He renegotiated his contracts every year. His acts toured sparingly, but for maximum profit. The Eagles, Walsh and Fogelberg – like Front Line – began to operate like a well oiled machine. “When you start splitting everything up six or more ways,” says Frey, “you start looking for the extra dollar. And searching for the extra dollar, we’ve found fortunes. Of course, we want to make more money and know where it goes. Why be naive about it? Why die like Stephen Foster, in the Bowery, slitting his wrists, penniless after writing all those wonderful standards.”

For some time Azoff kept his energies just to the Eagles, Fogelberg and Walsh. Then Boz Scaggs, needing a manager, came in for an appointment. Scaggs had heard of Irving and, after managing himself for a few years (“a lot remained undone”), Columbia records, his label, set up a meeting just before releasing Silk Degrees. “He had grown up and developed entirely within this huge industry,” Scaggs says. “It’s awesome at first how much information he carries. I’m convinced he’s gonna be the guy who gets everybody from the Sixties to the Eighties.”

“Boz has since become a very close friend as well as my client,” Azoff says. “I come under criticism, you know, from the ‘rock manager elite.’ How can your clients also be your social peers? That’s the way it happened. It’s like . . . it’s almost like a rock & roll fraternity.”

And, some might argue, Azoff is just panty-raiding his way through the music business. “The ultimate decision I came to was that the whole key to real power in the management business is not to pat yourself on the back and say, ‘I did it.’ I have tried to break a new act every year . . . ”

With the latest additions to Azoff’s operation, Jimmy Buffett and Steely Dan, he has done just that. Both have turned the corner on platinum status since signing with him.

“Why sign with him?” asks Donald Fagen. “He needed a new hobby, why not?”

In fact, Steely Dan and Buffet both had career entanglements. And legal entanglements – contracts – are Azoff’s forte. (He has even taught artists like Bob Seger and Glenda Griffith to “play ball” free of charge.) What enables a man to rip up a contract? “Our wonderful court system takes three or four years to try anything. So while you’re trying to dispute, an act dies and a record company loses multi-multiprofits. So they’ve forced to arbitrate, and it comes down to the old music business tactic of the guy that yells loudest is right. It’s not my fault I have to yell loudest.”

Back in his Front Line office and working late, Azoff is asked about his detractors, of which there are more than a few (in fact, his office wall was once lined with hate mail). The people that don’t yell loudest. The ones that refuse to be quoted for this article. The ones that swear they’ll get him on his way down.

“What way down?” Irving asks innocently. His fingers begin to play with the phone again, but the intercom that only a few hours ago buzzed with calls from Richard Dreyfuss, Kenny Stabler, Donald Fagen, Dan Fogelberg, Alan Cranston, Jerry Brown’s office and all the clients who want to hear the victories of the day . . . is silent. For once, it will not take two hours for him to finish a thought . . . .

“People that aren’t close to me would think I kill for sport . . . you gotta kill sometimes.” He becomes impassioned. “When you get the $40,000-a-year promotion man at the record label who leaves at 11:30 for lunch and comes back at three – and doesn’t work Fridays – you know, it’s a salaried gig to those guys. Here you go, you take your record, your artist’s career and your whole family’s future – you put it in the hands of a man who isn’t gonna make one more dollar if the record’s a hit and what you’re doing is crossing an artistic process with a guy that might as well be selling fucking typewriters. I’m not gonna let some fuckhead stand in the way of that record being a success. If the guy ain’t doing his job, he’s gonna hear about it.”

Last January, Azoff won an unprecedented settlement to retrieve the Eagles publishing back from Warner Communications, the enormous conglomerate that owns Warner/Elektra/Asylum records. With typical zeal, he sued them for $10 million (“my scariest adventure in the business”) and hung on, bit and scratched, as one executive put it, and Warner Communications gave up after two years. “They legally owned our songs,” admits Frey, “but it just wasn’t fair. Nobody has that right. Those songs are our birthright and part of our children’s heritage. Besides . . . it also means I don’t have to hear ‘Take It to the Limit’ as a tire commercial. I thank Irving Azoff every night for that.”

Azoff’s harsh baptism in the movie business does not mean that he will not attempt another entry in the near future. “He takes a lot of meetings of film people,” says Henley, “and he doesn’t forget anything. He’s amazing. He does everything from having my drive-way evaluated to seeing if my property doesn’t extend further to calling program directors direct. He does it all himself . . . and still has time to play tennis.

“We owe him a lot. And when we go out on the town there’s always that look in his eye: ‘This is me and . . . these are my boys.’”

Irving Azoff has that same glow as he walks down the aisle of Stephen S. Wise Temple to his marriage. The Eagles, J.D. Souther, Boz Scaggs and a templeful of Azoff’s closest friends and clients look on warmly. Dan Fogelberg, the original Front Line roster, sits at the organ and plays, instrumentally, his own “To the Morning” and later, Frey’s and Henley’s “Desperado.” The rabbi reminds a demure Irving, the same man who ripped apart two hotel rooms in Florida once just to see what was behind the walls, that he now has a “responsibility to world peace and elimination of destruction.” Irving nods respectfully, a rare sight.

“Look,” he would later confide at the wedding reception in his backyard, perhaps trying on humility for size, “maybe you should just strike all that stuff about me yelling . . . And Universal . . . and everything. Here’s the story: I’m thirty, I come from a tightknit Jewish family. I’m crazy. I’ve got all the power and money I could have wanted. I just don’t think you can balance your nervous system at age thirty without a personal life. I don’t have to yell a lot anymore. I haven’t destroyed a hotel room in years. I’ve met the right person and I’m settling down.”

And on that note, Irving Azoff tenderly smashes his mother-in-law in the face with a piece of the wedding cake.

Courtesy of Rolling Stone #267 – Cameron Crowe – June 15, 1978

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 3 September 2013 20:03 (three years ago) Permalink

For a garage rocker from Detroit, Frey is a surprisingly good Country singer.

A Made Man In The Mellow Mafia (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 3 September 2013 20:04 (three years ago) Permalink

Frey, despite being a mediocre player, singer and a generally dreadful personality, was essential to the band: the nasty, greasy central cog in the works.

and, um, one of the chief songwriters.

fact checking cuz, Tuesday, 3 September 2013 20:04 (three years ago) Permalink

arrr... apologies about the length, but I couldn't really cut anything out of it.

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 3 September 2013 20:04 (three years ago) Permalink

here's the thing about Frey the songwriter (& i agree he did write some of the hits): he's invariably teamed up or double-teamed up to get anything decent. Most of the hits aren't just him and Henley, they're Frey/Henley/Souther or Henley/Browne/Souther or it's a Tempchin song, or Felder and Walsh do most of the chords and the riffs. It's hard to assess him on his own.

col, Tuesday, 3 September 2013 20:09 (three years ago) Permalink

Henley said in a Musician interview linked to upthread that Frey is the ultimate utility player, and it bore out when I saw'em in '03. He played rhythm (more than competently) and lead guitar (better than expected and not flashy), plus keyboards and synths. I don't at all think he's expendable.

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 3 September 2013 20:15 (three years ago) Permalink

One last trivia bit on Azoff from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irving_Azoff

It has long been rumored that singer/songwriter Randy Newman wrote the song "Short People" as a stab at Azoff (Azoff is 5'3"). Azoff's overaggressive pursuit of Newman for Azoff's Front Line management company is said to have been the reason for Newman's displeasure with Azoff. This rumor has never been definitively confirmed by Newman

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 3 September 2013 20:17 (three years ago) Permalink

We don’t rip anybody off . . . it’s just comes down to hard, cold business. I was very fortunate, as were my clients, that the time we all hit, the business quadrupled. A gold album don’t mean shit now. If you handle an Eagles, their road crew and families, you become responsible for fifty-five people and you’re running a $15-million business. You gotta know how to handle the money. You don’t handle it right and the government’ll come take it all away from you.”

otm as far as it goes

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 3 September 2013 20:19 (three years ago) Permalink

Recommended reading for how the sausage got made back then: Hit Men: Power Brokers and Fast Money Inside the Music Business

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 3 September 2013 20:23 (three years ago) Permalink

"hit men" is fantastic. it should have its own wing in the rock and roll hall of fame.

fact checking cuz, Tuesday, 3 September 2013 20:29 (three years ago) Permalink

I bet Neil Young drove Frey nuts. The eagles and Frey try so hard, & Neil would get all this attention and respect for being weird and remote and doing all this purposeful self sabotage but he can just pull things out of the ether

My Little Pono (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 3 September 2013 20:30 (three years ago) Permalink

Speaking of Neil, I wonder how many people gravitated towards the Eagles after buying and loving Harvest but then got frustrated when Neil didn't do a proper follow-up.

A Made Man In The Mellow Mafia (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 3 September 2013 20:34 (three years ago) Permalink

then again, one thing neil young could not pull out of the ether was albums that sold 20 or 30 million copies each.

fact checking cuz, Tuesday, 3 September 2013 20:35 (three years ago) Permalink

No, but Neil made sure he got paid. He never had to chase down his money or duke it out with managers/labels like the Eagles did.

(Well, not until the 80s, and he won that battle while simultaneously making Geffen look like an idiot)

Shart Week (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 3 September 2013 20:37 (three years ago) Permalink

Recommended reading:
https://twitter.com/irvingazoff

bad bad disco (Eazy), Tuesday, 3 September 2013 20:38 (three years ago) Permalink

but Neil made sure he got paid. He never had to chase down his money or duke it out with managers/labels like the Eagles did.

but the story of rock and roll is the story of artists chasing down their money, sometimes successfully, sometimes not. i'm not sure there's anything unusual in the eagles' story in that regard except that there was more money at stake and they liked to talk about it more than a lot of other artists did.

fact checking cuz, Tuesday, 3 September 2013 20:42 (three years ago) Permalink

No, but Neil made sure he got paid. He never had to chase down his money or duke it out with managers/labels like the Eagles did.

(Well, not until the 80s, and he won that battle while simultaneously making Geffen look like an idiot)

Two Words: Buffalo Springfield

A Made Man In The Mellow Mafia (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 3 September 2013 20:42 (three years ago) Permalink

The first three people Azoff followed on Twitter are Jerry Brown, Bob Lefsetz, and Kim Kardashian. Says it all really...

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 3 September 2013 20:45 (three years ago) Permalink

ah right azoff! forgot about him. that's kinda like having the mob backing you up.

scott seward, Tuesday, 3 September 2013 20:48 (three years ago) Permalink

Two Words: Buffalo Springfield

Oh...right. But 1968-1988 is still a pretty good streak.

Shart Week (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 3 September 2013 20:49 (three years ago) Permalink

that's kinda like having the mob backing you up.

fact checking cuz, Tuesday, 3 September 2013 20:49 (three years ago) Permalink

https://twitter.com/FakeIrvingAzoff

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 3 September 2013 20:50 (three years ago) Permalink

Yeah but Harvest sold plenty

And Neil had a lot of things the Eagles couldn't buy with all that money

My Little Pono (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 3 September 2013 20:51 (three years ago) Permalink

"Irv, lookit the size of Neil's amps! Why can't we get amps like those?!"

Shart Week (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 3 September 2013 20:53 (three years ago) Permalink

"irv, lookit that bass player that does exactly what neil tells him to do! why can't we get a bass player that does exactly what we tell him to do?!"

fact checking cuz, Tuesday, 3 September 2013 20:56 (three years ago) Permalink

"Why doesn't my Les Paul sound like his Les Paul?"

A Made Man In The Mellow Mafia (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 3 September 2013 20:58 (three years ago) Permalink

^Also a phrase known to be uttered by Stephen Stills.

A Made Man In The Mellow Mafia (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 3 September 2013 20:59 (three years ago) Permalink

when stephen stills saw neil's road crew he had to go to rehab for a month. true story.

http://ijustreadaboutthat.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/rust.jpg

scott seward, Tuesday, 3 September 2013 21:03 (three years ago) Permalink

okay, not really. but i will never not think about the part in that hotel california book where stills hallucinated that he had been a soldier in vietnam. for years apparently! possibly the weirdest tidbit in the book.

scott seward, Tuesday, 3 September 2013 21:04 (three years ago) Permalink

That Vietnam thing is amazing

Other favorite Stills story is him being high in england and deciding to go visit Park McCartney, he drives his jag to his house wearing a fur coat and McCartney never answered the door

My Little Pono (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 3 September 2013 21:18 (three years ago) Permalink

he's lucky McCartney didn't pretend Stills was Ringo, shout, "I'll show you all!" and toss him out of the house.

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 3 September 2013 21:18 (three years ago) Permalink

In Shakey, somebody claims Still bought a new Ferrari (paid for in full with cash Stills carried in a shoebox) especially for the occasion of meeting Maca. He ended up totalling the car in a wreck a few days later.

A Made Man In The Mellow Mafia (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 3 September 2013 21:25 (three years ago) Permalink

haha yeah that stills in vietnam story awesome, reminds me of reagan somehow convincing himself he liberated concentration camps in wwII. one thing i got from shakey was how much the cw in certain circles was that neil should be doing more w/ csn and stop wasting his time w/ crazy horse, the extent to which csny were a focal point of how some ppl thought of him (vs most ppl i know that generally try not to think about csny that much whereas crazy horse stuff is the whole point). anyhow enjoy 'tequila sunrise', even before i decided to abandon kneejerk hatred of the eagles (which isn't the same as abandoning hatred of the eagles) it probably would've made my top whatever eagles songs i tolerate list. one thing i'm curious about w/ this album underperforming and even the single not doing well is when exactly this and 'desperado' (which wasn't even a single) became the 'hits' we know them as today. was it w/ their inclusion on the first greatest hits album? how did 'desperado' merit inclusion on that album - did it get fm play? concert fave? hit cover version by someone else that's been supplanted by the original on classic rock radio?

balls, Tuesday, 3 September 2013 21:36 (three years ago) Permalink

How well did the Linda Ronstadt cover do? It was released as a single the same year...

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 3 September 2013 21:40 (three years ago) Permalink

I didn't know until I read HC that Desperado was a flop. I assume the title track was popular on FM radio w/out crossing over pop?

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 3 September 2013 21:43 (three years ago) Permalink

Something like that. The eagles didn't return to singles juggernaut status til "Best of My Love", which was like the second or third one from On The Border.

A Made Man In The Mellow Mafia (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 3 September 2013 21:49 (three years ago) Permalink

Linda's version didn't chart. I honestly can't recall either version being played on the radio when they were new.

Same old bland-as-sand mood mouthings (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 3 September 2013 21:51 (three years ago) Permalink

tequila sunrise a good gateway to liking tequila, it's got that in its favor

it sounds like "Brass Buttons" with a much dumber concept

Euler, Tuesday, 3 September 2013 21:59 (three years ago) Permalink

god i wish there was good airplay data w/ 70s fm radio, i always wonder how/when certain classic rock chestnuts entered the playlists, esp on a national scale. did stations just play almost all of zoso immediately or did they play 'black dog' and 'rock n roll' at first (very possible as these were the singles right? 'black dog' crossed over to am top 40 amazingly) and then gave 'stairway' and 'levee' their due and then while they were still waiting for a new zep lp start playing 'misty mountain hop' and 'four sticks'? or was 'misty mountain hop' a hit out of the gate and later 'levee' got it's monolith status, the way 'levon' was a much bigger hit than 'tiny dancer' initially?

balls, Tuesday, 3 September 2013 22:04 (three years ago) Permalink

henley on 'tequila sunrise': I believe that was a Glenn title. I think he was ambivalent about it because he thought that it was a bit too obvious or too much of a cliché because of the drink that was so popular then. I said, 'No-Look at it from a different point of view. You've been drinking straight tequila all night and the sun is coming up!' It turned out to be a really great song.

cool story bro

balls, Tuesday, 3 September 2013 22:05 (three years ago) Permalink

He goes on to talk about how girls made them nervous!

A Made Man In The Mellow Mafia (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 3 September 2013 22:07 (three years ago) Permalink

they turn into witchy women

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 3 September 2013 22:08 (three years ago) Permalink

...who make you eat your lunch all by yourself.

A Made Man In The Mellow Mafia (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 3 September 2013 22:15 (three years ago) Permalink

god i wish there was good airplay data w/ 70s fm radio

Yeah, me too. This isn't much, but links below are from my local FM station circa 1978. They went from pretty much freeform to tightly formatted in 1977, but the morning show still has many holdouts from their mellow album cut daze: Dave Mason, Jackson Browne, Jesse Colin Young...

http://www.radiotapes.com/KQRS/KQRS-FM_Streetsheet_Sept_78a.pdf
http://www.radiotapes.com/KQRS/KQRS-FM_Streetsheet_Dec_78a.pdf

Same old bland-as-sand mood mouthings (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 3 September 2013 22:18 (three years ago) Permalink

thx!

balls, Tuesday, 3 September 2013 22:24 (three years ago) Permalink

when did AM radio stop being a thing?

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 3 September 2013 22:35 (three years ago) Permalink

probably late 70s. Whenever the majority of cars got FM radio, basically.

in terms of "Tequila" and "Desperado," agree the 1976 best-of LP made them radio stalwarts. Not sure how much they got airplay before that.

col, Tuesday, 3 September 2013 22:44 (three years ago) Permalink

yeah if you go to the page for wabc music radio - http://www.musicradio77.com/index.html - you can see it transition from pop to more easy listening and then it finally makes the switch to talk.

balls, Tuesday, 3 September 2013 22:48 (three years ago) Permalink

i always figured the really smart people were the ones who didn't do tons of drugs. and made good money.

In that other laurel canyon book there's a quote from someone (the turtles flo and Eddie guy?) to the effect that the two ppl who didn't do coke were Nash and Neil, and the two who, today, don't have to tour to pay the bills are Nash and Neil.

i believe we can c.h.u.d. all night (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 3 September 2013 23:15 (three years ago) Permalink

well they did coke and plenty but the same way I do chocolate ice cream: if it's offered I eat it, etc

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 3 September 2013 23:16 (three years ago) Permalink

i'm the same way, if publix is offering it i eat it

balls, Tuesday, 3 September 2013 23:28 (three years ago) Permalink

the two ppl who didn't do coke were Nash and Neil

The "booger matte" in The Last Waltz would seem to contradict this.

Shart Week (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 3 September 2013 23:33 (three years ago) Permalink

Man now I'm gonna have to look up that quite. Btw that fucking azoff article was delectable. His fiancée Rochelle Cumsky!

i believe we can c.h.u.d. all night (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 3 September 2013 23:44 (three years ago) Permalink

I wonder if Frey called her "Rockin' Chugsky"?

A Made Man In The Mellow Mafia (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 3 September 2013 23:46 (three years ago) Permalink

The eagles didn't return to singles juggernaut status til "Best of My Love"

I once asked my dad for a list of songs he liked so I could make him a mix tape. (He was always complaining about how my mom retained custody of his kids and his records, not necessarily in that order.)

All I remember from that last was

BEST OF MY LOVE - The Eagles
BEST OF MY LOVE - The Emotions (not the same song!)

I'm getting ahead of myself. I'm trying to save up my valuable Eagles anecdotes, especially for when Don Felder enters the picture.

pplains, Tuesday, 3 September 2013 23:52 (three years ago) Permalink

i'm the same way, if publix is offering it i eat it

― balls

man do you like their fried chicken? I love Publix fried chicken.

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 3 September 2013 23:53 (three years ago) Permalink

this thread is delivering so regularly re quality anecdotes & lols & things to think baout, I think I might actually make it through their entire discography

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 3 September 2013 23:53 (three years ago) Permalink

the only problem with staying for the entire discography is having to look at that cackling frey and, um, what do you even call that expression on henley's face, every time.. if only ILM had a way to switch out top-of-the-page photos every so often.

fact checking cuz, Wednesday, 4 September 2013 00:00 (three years ago) Permalink

IT'S CALLED BOOKMARKING.

Sorry. Nothing against you FCC. But I don't have to see the OP every time, I don't have to worry about YouTubes, IT'S GREAT.

pplains, Wednesday, 4 September 2013 00:11 (three years ago) Permalink

NO OFFENSE TAKEN, THANK YOU! i'm just lazy, that's all. but i will try to come to my senses.

fact checking cuz, Wednesday, 4 September 2013 00:16 (three years ago) Permalink

THIS OLD THREAD STILL LOOKS THE SAME

pplains, Wednesday, 4 September 2013 00:25 (three years ago) Permalink

I just assume everybody that was even marginally famous between 74 and maybe 87 has done coke

My Little Pono (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 4 September 2013 00:29 (three years ago) Permalink

And Frey's explanation of Tequila Sunrise is some amazing real life Spinal Tap

My Little Pono (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 4 September 2013 00:30 (three years ago) Permalink

bookmarking a good idea. i wanted to keep the embeds to a minimum in case anyone was crazy enough to open the whole thread and look at it. it would be possible if its just links and pictures.

scott seward, Wednesday, 4 September 2013 00:32 (three years ago) Permalink

Anyone crazy enough to open this thread ~period~ deserves what they get.

pplains, Wednesday, 4 September 2013 00:33 (three years ago) Permalink

sometimes i'm afraid ilx will explode someday cuzzs that facebook thread i started:

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scott seward, Wednesday, 4 September 2013 00:52 (three years ago) Permalink

"cuzza"

which isn't actually a word.

scott seward, Wednesday, 4 September 2013 00:52 (three years ago) Permalink

You definitely tapped into some collective hate with that thread.

carl agatha, Wednesday, 4 September 2013 01:05 (three years ago) Permalink

every youtube clip of this song i listened to sounds terrible. including this one. so, sorry for the sound quality. even the ones labeled HD and REMASTERED. most of them seem to come from the same source? do people just copy other people's youtubes to make their own? i guess they do.

scott seward, Wednesday, 4 September 2013 12:51 (three years ago) Permalink

nice linda ronstadt live version from 1977.

http://youtu.be/oAK5Ids7l5g

scott seward, Wednesday, 4 September 2013 12:55 (three years ago) Permalink

i still think that langley schools music project version might be my favorite though. so poignant.

scott seward, Wednesday, 4 September 2013 12:56 (three years ago) Permalink

langley schools version is kinda the justification for the eagles

don't like the johnny cash cov tho', doesn't seem like the right song for him at all

Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 4 September 2013 12:58 (three years ago) Permalink

This is flawless of course. Why on earth did they not release it as a single though? Was that a trend at the time, holding the best thing back for the album, like Gimme Shelter or Stairway to Heaven?

Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 4 September 2013 13:06 (three years ago) Permalink

yeah, this is on another level from the rest of the album. Lyric in the second bridge is one of Henley and Frey's finest: pure prairie depression.

col, Wednesday, 4 September 2013 13:10 (three years ago) Permalink

langley schools version definitely my fave also

http://www.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Screen-shot-2012-03-07-at-11.15.11-AM.png

balls, Wednesday, 4 September 2013 13:23 (three years ago) Permalink

warren zevon, who ran in the same circles as the eagles and who was equally capable of parodying them and paying them homage, wrote and recorded two songs with desperado in the title: "desperadoes under the eaves" and "gorilla, you're a desperado." it's pretty clear, i think, that both titles are directed at henley, frey and company, though the two songs are very different. but i never noticed until today how much "desperado" itself sounds like a zevon song, musically, lyrically, delivery, everything. zevon was a detail guy and may have felt moved to make the lyrics a bit more place-specific or person-specific, but otherwise, if you told me wrote this, i'd believe you. a great song.

fact checking cuz, Wednesday, 4 September 2013 13:48 (three years ago) Permalink

Sending this one out to VG. Not a loser was lonesome in this place!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q47FDEfT9DY

pplains, Wednesday, 4 September 2013 13:49 (three years ago) Permalink

"Frank and Jesse James" off Zevon's first LP also seems like an outtake from Desperado.

col, Wednesday, 4 September 2013 13:52 (three years ago) Permalink

henley sings on 'gorilla you're a desperado' right?

balls, Wednesday, 4 September 2013 14:03 (three years ago) Permalink

I recall the Grace Lichtenstein re: "Desperado" in "Stranded" is pretty good.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 4 September 2013 14:04 (three years ago) Permalink

Ooo I have a childhood anecdote about this one: my father dragged me along with him to visit one of his sundry girlfriends and after getting me set up with some crayons and coloring books in the kitchen, they adjourned to the living room where the girlfriend put on Desperado and said to my father, "This song reminds me of you." I have a very distinct memory of rolling my eyes.

Anyway, I like this one, too, but definitely not for the same reason.

carl agatha, Wednesday, 4 September 2013 14:06 (three years ago) Permalink

I live the bit about how over time the desperado will become bleached of all feeling, less human.

i believe we can c.h.u.d. all night (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 4 September 2013 14:06 (three years ago) Permalink

Love the bit*

Maybe I'm livin it too

i believe we can c.h.u.d. all night (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 4 September 2013 14:07 (three years ago) Permalink

henley sings on 'gorilla you're a desperado' right?

henley, j.d. souther and jackson browne. browne sings on "desperadoes under the eaves" too.

fact checking cuz, Wednesday, 4 September 2013 14:07 (three years ago) Permalink

Girlfriend was right about that part, at least. xp

carl agatha, Wednesday, 4 September 2013 14:08 (three years ago) Permalink

Freedom as loss of self/progressive neurasthenia

i believe we can c.h.u.d. all night (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 4 September 2013 14:08 (three years ago) Permalink

lol carl

balls, Wednesday, 4 September 2013 14:10 (three years ago) Permalink

One of my two fave Eagles tracks (it'll be a while before we're at the other one). Corny as hell, but effectively and rather nakedly so; it'll be a long while before its bleached of all feeling for me.

the vineyards where the grapes of corporate rock are stored (cryptosicko), Wednesday, 4 September 2013 14:18 (three years ago) Permalink

if ever there was an eagles song destined to be sung at talent shows and karaoke night or just about anywhere its this one. its great if you can hit high notes like linda ronstadt but you can be a pretty limited singer range-wise and still pull it off. just make a sad face and look like you're gonna cry. you can sing it softly. or you can go big.

scott seward, Wednesday, 4 September 2013 14:35 (three years ago) Permalink

Desperados Under the Eaves is beyond great. Desperado... not quite there.

g simmel, Wednesday, 4 September 2013 14:40 (three years ago) Permalink

Starting to feel like I'm the only one here whose appreciation of the Eagles works its way backward from The Long Run.

The cowboy shit annoys the hell out of me. These guys weren't exactly Marty Robbins.

pplains, Wednesday, 4 September 2013 14:41 (three years ago) Permalink

No I'm with you on that. The % if tracks I like per album goes up with the more rockin aor albums.

i believe we can c.h.u.d. all night (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 4 September 2013 14:50 (three years ago) Permalink

But the cowboy shit has its moments!

i believe we can c.h.u.d. all night (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 4 September 2013 14:50 (three years ago) Permalink

Would've loved to have seen an exiled Bernie Leadon listening to "Hotel California" for the first time and going, "But where are the banjos?"

pplains, Wednesday, 4 September 2013 14:58 (three years ago) Permalink

The cowboy shit annoys the hell out of me. These guys weren't exactly Marty Robbins.

Or Bing Crosby for that matter. Faux cowboy stuff is fine by me btw.

Tommy McTommy (Tom D.), Wednesday, 4 September 2013 15:03 (three years ago) Permalink

Such a fine line. It's why Uncle Tupelo could pull it off and Whiskeytown couldn't. It's much easier for me to picture Kid Rock as a cowboy than Don effin' Henley.

pplains, Wednesday, 4 September 2013 15:07 (three years ago) Permalink

I didn't think I hated this song, but after listening to it again, yeah, I do. It's the moment when the Eagles finally realize they will never, ever be the Band, so hey, let's dress up like them!
http://theband.hiof.no/band_pictures/band_mfbp_back.jpg

The song seems to be about this realization: they've resigned themselves to their fate as slick L.A. studio flumpfers, and their strengths were in writing shitty faux-soundtrack music for slick, painless cowboy movies that they imagined themselves starring in.

Shart Week (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 4 September 2013 15:21 (three years ago) Permalink

and they got haircuts!

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 4 September 2013 15:23 (three years ago) Permalink

Tarfumes on the mark. May have been bigger egos in The Band too, but they pulled it off.

pplains, Wednesday, 4 September 2013 15:26 (three years ago) Permalink

Just closed my eyes and did a search for Don Henley Robbie Robertson, and hey look, it's a Scorsese soundtrack.

pplains, Wednesday, 4 September 2013 15:28 (three years ago) Permalink

soooo many groups wanted to be The Band! (in the BBC documentary based on the Hoskyns bk, David Crosby makes a point of saying how terrifying it was to have The Band watching em from the side of the stage during their second ever gig (at Woodstock))

Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 4 September 2013 15:31 (three years ago) Permalink

guess don didn't want to cowboy up for the shiloh cover shot.

scott seward, Wednesday, 4 September 2013 15:33 (three years ago) Permalink

http://www.thirteen.org/13pressroom/files/2012/08/HN720023.jpg

scott seward, Wednesday, 4 September 2013 15:36 (three years ago) Permalink

http://www.donhenleyonline.com/images/DHenleyShilohInsert.jpg

scott seward, Wednesday, 4 September 2013 15:36 (three years ago) Permalink

http://www.donhenleyonline.com/images/felicity3.jpg

scott seward, Wednesday, 4 September 2013 15:38 (three years ago) Permalink

http://www.donhenleyonline.com/images/DHenleyfourspeeds1966.jpg

scott seward, Wednesday, 4 September 2013 15:38 (three years ago) Permalink

i don't really get the band thing. always felt like they were going for the dusty desert west coast thing. byrds-derived more than band-derived. the byrds were dressing up like cowboys pretty early on. the charlatans, etc.

scott seward, Wednesday, 4 September 2013 15:41 (three years ago) Permalink

i mean i've never thought of the band when hearing the eagles. lets put it that way.

scott seward, Wednesday, 4 September 2013 15:42 (three years ago) Permalink

the band were more civil war and the eagles more gold rush.

scott seward, Wednesday, 4 September 2013 15:44 (three years ago) Permalink

That's true. And I didn't see the Eagles as Band wanna-be's at all until I saw the doc. Their whole attitude seemed to revolve around being a version of The Band that made a shitload of money and had huge hits (two things The Band never really did).

And yeah, the Byrds and the Buffalo Springfield and other bands wore cowboy hats and western gear in '65-'67, but the Band inspired the whole neo-"authenticity"/"back to the land" post-psychedelic hangover thing that so much of country rock took its cues from. True, there was a ton of country rock prior to Big Pink, but a lot of it was Dylan/Band/Basement Tapes influenced (the tapes made the rounds among musicians in '67-'68), and the scene went from hippies dressing as slick country bands and playing the Opry (as the Byrds did) to hippies digging in the dust with mustaches.

(but I'm probably wrong/oversimplifying a lot of this)

Shart Week (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 4 September 2013 16:08 (three years ago) Permalink

many xposts to pplains --- aaahhhh!! thank you for posting that LRB version, I love it!!!

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 4 September 2013 16:14 (three years ago) Permalink

I really like this song but I think I like it more when Linda Ronstadt sings it. She brings a bit more feeling to it, where as Henley just sings it nice but he's kinda holding back.

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 4 September 2013 16:15 (three years ago) Permalink

"Another thing that interests me about the Eagles is that I hate them. "Hate" is the kind of up-tight word that automatically excludes one from polite posthippie circles, a good reason to use it, but it is also meant to convey an anguish that is very intense, yet difficult to pinpoint. Do I hate music that has been giving me pleasure all weekend, made by four human beings I've never met? Yeah, I think so. Listening to the Eagles has left me feeling alienated from things I used to love. As the culmination of rock's country strain, the group is also the culmination of the counterculture reaction that strain epitomizes. "

Christgau, '72: http://www.robertchristgau.com/xg/bk-aow/eagles.php

col, Wednesday, 4 September 2013 16:16 (three years ago) Permalink

its kind of hard to overestimate the influence of the byrds on so many different types of people from 1966 until the 70's. but certainly dylan/band had just as much influence. both coasts were covered. folk people in general get lost in the shuffle as far as getting credit for bringing old country/mountain music to the kids/hippies. people like mike seeger and a million others toured college campuses for years all through the 60's and made country music cool to non-country audiences. thus the college jug band/string band phenomena of the 60's. every hip college having their olde-tyme combos. just as their were a million collegiate hot jazz societies and bands all across the country in the 40's and 50's.

(not to mention the endless stream of actual folk/blues/country vets who made the college circuit back then.)

scott seward, Wednesday, 4 September 2013 16:31 (three years ago) Permalink

Their whole attitude seemed to revolve around being a version of The Band that made a shitload of money and had huge hits

Flying Burrito Bros surely?

Tommy McTommy (Tom D.), Wednesday, 4 September 2013 16:38 (three years ago) Permalink

But, yeah, the Byrds, but if you thought the Eagles were "hardly Marty Robbins", what about McGuinn?

Tommy McTommy (Tom D.), Wednesday, 4 September 2013 16:40 (three years ago) Permalink

A related question: what was the relationship, if any, between this album and the crossing-over of outlaw country, which I guess came a little later? Coincidence? Common influences? The idea that Waylon, Willie, and the boys were somehow copying the Eagles seems comical, but something was going on.

Brad C., Wednesday, 4 September 2013 17:09 (three years ago) Permalink

it was in the air. well, a lot of things were in the air, but this was one of the things in the air. southern rock via allman brothers and Capricorn really starting to take off too.

scott seward, Wednesday, 4 September 2013 17:25 (three years ago) Permalink

outlaw also a reaction to country pop of the era. those dudes weren't having it. no sir.

scott seward, Wednesday, 4 September 2013 17:30 (three years ago) Permalink

Their whole attitude seemed to revolve around being a version of The Band that made a shitload of money and had huge hits

Flying Burrito Bros surely?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b7/Poco_1970.jpg

(Frey said as much)

A Made Man In The Mellow Mafia (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 4 September 2013 18:49 (three years ago) Permalink

As for "Desperado", I get kind of a Tumbleweed Connection vibe off of this one. Haven't heard Linda's yet, but it seems like the lyric (which, iirc, is written in the voice of a female character) would suit her well. I also remember hearing how bad Henley sounded on the Johnny Cash version when it came out, and at the time if I'd been able to wager money on who'd be dead within a year of it's recording, I wouldn't have picked Johnny.

A Made Man In The Mellow Mafia (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 4 September 2013 18:56 (three years ago) Permalink

The idea that Waylon, Willie, and the boys were somehow copying the Eagles seems comical

Waylon's rock roots pre-date the Eagles (and the Byrds too for that matter). Willie never rocked, really.

what's up ugly girls? (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 4 September 2013 19:01 (three years ago) Permalink

Nash has got a tell-all book coming out in a couple of weeks.

Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 4 September 2013 21:13 (three years ago) Permalink

drug the one you're with

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 4 September 2013 21:17 (three years ago) Permalink

Suite: Judy Glassy Eyes

A Made Man In The Mellow Mafia (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 4 September 2013 21:22 (three years ago) Permalink

wineevere

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 4 September 2013 21:28 (three years ago) Permalink

Take It, Sleazy

what's up ugly girls? (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 4 September 2013 21:29 (three years ago) Permalink

Crosby himself had just recently ended things with Mitchell, but he was generous with his women, one night even asking his girlfriend, Christine Hinton, to head downstairs to share Nash’s bed.

bleargh...

Same old bland-as-sand mood mouthings (Dan Peterson), Wednesday, 4 September 2013 21:44 (three years ago) Permalink

yet Joni Mitchell is never called 'generous with her men' despite bedding the three of them.

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 4 September 2013 21:48 (three years ago) Permalink

I don't see Frey nor Henley doing that.

A Made Man In The Mellow Mafia (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 4 September 2013 21:48 (three years ago) Permalink

Crosby's sexual appeal is a complete mystery to me

what's up ugly girls? (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 4 September 2013 21:52 (three years ago) Permalink

o

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set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 4 September 2013 21:53 (three years ago) Permalink

I mean I get the whole "power is an aphrodisiac" thing but he was a bald, bloated coke-addled walrus

what's up ugly girls? (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 4 September 2013 21:53 (three years ago) Permalink

he's so hobbity

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 4 September 2013 21:53 (three years ago) Permalink

Shakey is good at demystifying the fucker. Those in the know laughed their asses off looking at him.

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 4 September 2013 21:54 (three years ago) Permalink

i think david crosby had extremely high levels of #swag

some women find it irresistible

My Little Pono (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 4 September 2013 21:55 (three years ago) Permalink

J.D. Souther is the only one of these soulless miscreants I would've allowed to fuck me, after which I'd cry and write a ballad for Linda Ronstadt.

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 4 September 2013 21:55 (three years ago) Permalink

lol

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 4 September 2013 21:56 (three years ago) Permalink

yeah in Hotel California Souther comes off as this super Lothario who seemed to hold sway over Frey and Henley even at their peak....

My Little Pono (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 4 September 2013 21:57 (three years ago) Permalink

loooool Alfred

what's up ugly girls? (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 4 September 2013 21:57 (three years ago) Permalink

like in the band private jet JD got to sit in the front w.Frey and Henley and the other dudes in the Eagles had to sit in the back

My Little Pono (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 4 September 2013 21:57 (three years ago) Permalink

as far as desperado

i can't really hear this song anymore

My Little Pono (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 4 September 2013 21:58 (three years ago) Permalink

"You're a musician?!"
http://i500.listal.com/image/1028921/500full.jpg

Shart Week (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 4 September 2013 21:58 (three years ago) Permalink

and if I remember the book correctly Souther acknowledges that Geffen eyed him a few times.

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 4 September 2013 21:59 (three years ago) Permalink

this is the only way I would have hung out with them

http://www.urbanfarmonline.com/images/bee-keeping/safe-beekeeping_250.jpg

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 4 September 2013 21:59 (three years ago) Permalink

you would have needed that suit and a Publix bag full of poisoned nettles.

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 4 September 2013 21:59 (three years ago) Permalink

i would have a bee-cannon as well to spray them with live bees if needed

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 4 September 2013 22:00 (three years ago) Permalink

Souther comes off as this super Lothario who seemed to hold sway over Frey and Henley even at their peak...

and he's pretty much the only person who holds any real sway over rayna james. i'm sure she'd let him sit in the front of her jet.

fact checking cuz, Wednesday, 4 September 2013 22:01 (three years ago) Permalink

haha ok i had to look that up i've never seen nashville but glad JD is working

My Little Pono (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 4 September 2013 22:08 (three years ago) Permalink

I thought Souther would be set financially for the rest of his life.

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 4 September 2013 22:10 (three years ago) Permalink

Souther has credits on most the big imperial era Eagles tracks, with some reports claiming a bunch of those songs began with him. Very front of the plane dude.

A Made Man In The Mellow Mafia (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 4 September 2013 22:13 (three years ago) Permalink

So Dylan is to blame for all this like "The Band" bs. Figures since he and The Grateful Dead are the only ones that ruined American music more than The Eagles.

I'll take the jangle-jangle over the throb-throb (brg30), Wednesday, 4 September 2013 22:31 (three years ago) Permalink

mellow out man

My Little Pono (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 4 September 2013 22:39 (three years ago) Permalink

take it easy

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 4 September 2013 22:40 (three years ago) Permalink

literally

My Little Pono (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 4 September 2013 22:40 (three years ago) Permalink

so is desperado the template for the power ballad? are there earlier power ballads to be aware of?

it's a pretty immaculately constructed song, but it's also just so totally ridiculous.

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 4 September 2013 22:50 (three years ago) Permalink

This is flawless of course. Why on earth did they not release it as a single though? Was that a trend at the time, holding the best thing back for the album, like Gimme Shelter or Stairway to Heaven?

― Ismael Klata, Wednesday, September 4, 2013 9:06 AM (9 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I think the A&R guys genuinely thought this wouldn't likely be a hit. Thus far, their uptempo singles tended to sell better, especially those by outside writers. The two singles that had already been released fell far short of the top 40, and were ignored outside the US. I think they wanted more crazed banjos, or at least gritty guitars on the instrumental bridge.

Is it just me, or does the string section hold onto certain notes on the outro way past their sell-by date?

574 srsly (Lee626), Wednesday, 4 September 2013 22:55 (three years ago) Permalink

Also: the Eagles' rise as multiplatinum threat coincided with the softening of the American and British charts. Check out the non-disco and R&B hits on the 1974-1976 charts; then El Lay studio rock rose as a complement to disco.

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 4 September 2013 22:57 (three years ago) Permalink

desperado's just a ballad though? it's not really a power ballad imo

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 4 September 2013 22:59 (three years ago) Permalink

Even if "Desperado" is a power ballad, there's got to be some that came before it. Like Bread for example starting in 1969 - "Make It With You" and "Baby I'm a-Want You" were the power ballads against hard rockers like "Mother Freedom" and "Truckin'". It's just that their rockers didn't become hits, so they became perceived as a (very) soft-rock act rather than a rock band balancing their rockers with AM radio-friendly power ballads.

574 srsly (Lee626), Wednesday, 4 September 2013 23:08 (three years ago) Permalink

but it's not a power ballad

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 4 September 2013 23:09 (three years ago) Permalink

its got drums kicking in midway through, strings, backup vox, it's a total power ballad!

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 4 September 2013 23:10 (three years ago) Permalink

...

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 4 September 2013 23:10 (three years ago) Permalink

you're a power ballad

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 4 September 2013 23:11 (three years ago) Permalink

vegemite raises a good point

My Little Pono (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 4 September 2013 23:11 (three years ago) Permalink

the drums and the strings is just the way it builds to a climax, lots of ballads do this and the slightly bigger crescendo does not = 'power'

imo

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 4 September 2013 23:14 (three years ago) Permalink

It's powered by Henleytonium®!

A Made Man In The Mellow Mafia (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 4 September 2013 23:18 (three years ago) Permalink

I think of "power ballad" as more a marketing term than a musical genre. It's like when an '80s pop-metal band quiets down for an uncharacteristicly slow and melodic single that wouldn't be too wimpy for the AOR stations of the day but would be palatable to top-40 or adult-contemporary tastes as well.

574 srsly (Lee626), Wednesday, 4 September 2013 23:25 (three years ago) Permalink

a true power ballad is ballady enough to get you out on the dancefloor for a slow dance with a girl at a junior high dance but then rocks hard enough at a certain point to make going through the motions of slow dancing seem really awkward

My Little Pono (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 4 September 2013 23:27 (three years ago) Permalink

also you have to be able to picture it blaring out of a Camaro

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 4 September 2013 23:29 (three years ago) Permalink

you have to be able to picture it blaring out of Henley-Frey-Souther's apartment.

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 4 September 2013 23:31 (three years ago) Permalink

jesus you guys desperado can totally be blared out of a camaro

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 4 September 2013 23:35 (three years ago) Permalink

desperado has no power

what's up ugly girls? (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 4 September 2013 23:36 (three years ago) Permalink

xpost your camaro maybe

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 4 September 2013 23:36 (three years ago) Permalink

"J.D. Souther is the only one of these soulless miscreants I would've allowed to fuck me"

jackson too girly? he was a dreamboat to most.

scott seward, Wednesday, 4 September 2013 23:41 (three years ago) Permalink

he's a ponderous fellow

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 4 September 2013 23:41 (three years ago) Permalink

And a hitter iirc

i believe we can c.h.u.d. all night (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 4 September 2013 23:42 (three years ago) Permalink

i can't stand him. creepy

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 4 September 2013 23:43 (three years ago) Permalink

would you throw ned doheny out of bed for eating crackers?

http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/XwouzFuEMKI/hqdefault.jpg

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2802/4291945493_6fba783e6b.jpg

scott seward, Wednesday, 4 September 2013 23:44 (three years ago) Permalink

great album that used to sell for a dollar and now sells for $$$ thanks to the young and the hip.

scott seward, Wednesday, 4 September 2013 23:46 (three years ago) Permalink

So guys... I never heard early Linda ronstadt before an hour ago. This Capitol Years 2CD fucking slays in every way. Holy crap.

i believe we can c.h.u.d. all night (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 4 September 2013 23:49 (three years ago) Permalink

Ned Doheny admitted in HC that Geffen was checking him out.

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 4 September 2013 23:49 (three years ago) Permalink

"a true power ballad is ballady enough to get you out on the dancefloor for a slow dance with a girl at a junior high dance but then rocks hard enough at a certain point to make going through the motions of slow dancing seem really awkward"

journey and reo rule this land.

scott seward, Wednesday, 4 September 2013 23:52 (three years ago) Permalink

and that scorpions song.

scott seward, Wednesday, 4 September 2013 23:52 (three years ago) Permalink

stiiiiiiiiiiiiiilll loving youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu?

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 4 September 2013 23:53 (three years ago) Permalink

Cuz you know it's youuuuu baaaabe
Whenever I get weary and I've haaaad enough

i believe we can c.h.u.d. all night (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 4 September 2013 23:55 (three years ago) Permalink

linda ronstadt was amazing. i love her voice. would listen to 2 disc capitol thing.

scott seward, Wednesday, 4 September 2013 23:55 (three years ago) Permalink

still loving you is so great. would have loved to hear linda ronstadt sing it.

scott seward, Wednesday, 4 September 2013 23:56 (three years ago) Permalink

it's a badass power ballad for sure

UNLIKE DESPERADO

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 4 September 2013 23:57 (three years ago) Permalink

i forgot about that doheny song title "i get it up for love". says it all.

scott seward, Wednesday, 4 September 2013 23:57 (three years ago) Permalink

totally. scorps kick ass on that song and still melt hearts.

scott seward, Wednesday, 4 September 2013 23:57 (three years ago) Permalink

I'm pretty sure we played "Desperado" as a slow dance at my school.

Eagles were big up there. It was even our mascot.

pplains, Thursday, 5 September 2013 00:02 (three years ago) Permalink

Ned Doheny s/t is terrific, haven't heard Hard Candy yet.

You all nailed it - Camaro blarability is the key measure of power balladry.

574 srsly (Lee626), Thursday, 5 September 2013 00:11 (three years ago) Permalink

speaking of eagles friends always loved windmills by rick roberts. henley on drums/backing vox:

http://youtu.be/lRElZswFQMo

scott seward, Thursday, 5 September 2013 00:18 (three years ago) Permalink

also good:

http://youtu.be/YrKU00PaMPU

scott seward, Thursday, 5 September 2013 00:20 (three years ago) Permalink

Is it just me, or does the string section hold onto certain notes on the outro way past their sell-by date?

well there's one moment -- the second to last chord of the song -- where the strings are doing a graceful ritard while the piano impatiently anticipates the chord, so if anything it's not the strings holding on for too long but the piano letting go too soon. but it's a cool effect!

fact checking cuz, Thursday, 5 September 2013 00:59 (three years ago) Permalink

in 2005, when I still received everything Rhino put out, they sent me the box of all the Eagles records. So I became familiar with 'em in a way that I never would have if I had to spend money on 'em, etc etc (that's hardly anyone's concern now)…

The Long Run is far away my favorite, and I expect to contribute to this hugely entertaining thread as soon as it gets to records I like/ have something to say about.

But in light of where the thread is now, may I refer you all to the first ILM thread I ever started. To me in 2006, "desperado" is like a Ray Charles song. so was "new York State of Mind."

TS: "Desperado" vs. "New York State of Mind"

veronica moser, Thursday, 5 September 2013 04:33 (three years ago) Permalink

My god Hell Freezes Over rode the top ten in '94-'95 for six months.

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 5 September 2013 11:04 (three years ago) Permalink

"Certain Kind Of Fool"

http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac327/whitcap/randyutc-1.jpg

http://youtu.be/JPsB__7MemQ

scott seward, Thursday, 5 September 2013 12:03 (three years ago) Permalink

IT'S RANDY'S TIME TO SHINE!

scott seward, Thursday, 5 September 2013 12:03 (three years ago) Permalink

playing this on the front porch just now i suddenly got embarrassed and turned it down in case anyone walked by...

scott seward, Thursday, 5 September 2013 12:06 (three years ago) Permalink

oh god i think my neighbor heard me i didn't see them there in front of their house...

scott seward, Thursday, 5 September 2013 12:09 (three years ago) Permalink

"turn up the eagles the neighbours are listening"!!

Ward Fowler, Thursday, 5 September 2013 12:09 (three years ago) Permalink

BONUS 1980 SOLO RANDY VIDEO!!!!

http://youtu.be/k3jFaDmC1t0

scott seward, Thursday, 5 September 2013 12:12 (three years ago) Permalink

This so strange, it's like an amalgam of all the artists The Eagles would've been aspiring to - the intro is pure Joni, it goes sort of uninspired Neil in the chorus, there're CS&N and power leads in there - and yet it doesn't sound like The Eagles at all.

It's pretty terrible in truth. More boilerplate r'n'r. The solo is very good and I like the oo-oos; the dual guitar at the end not so much; the bass is okay; the drum roll at the end is plain weird. What the hell is the story? Some kind of lame moralising, why are they glamorising outlaws then moving onto this.

The vocal is a bit horrible but at least it's got a tense kind of urgency to it. How's that, is it all fifths? Reminds me of the pleading in the Beatles' Dr Robert, though that was for effect, rather than the adolescent whine that this basically is.

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 5 September 2013 12:37 (three years ago) Permalink

i dare you to remember what it sounds like five minutes after you play it.

scott seward, Thursday, 5 September 2013 12:50 (three years ago) Permalink

"They say that he was craaaazy,
The kind that no lady should meet
He ran out to the ciiiity
and wandered around in the street "

this is pretty dire. I guess it's sorta clever that the second verse could be about a guy buying/practicing a guitar as much as it's (apparently) him becoming a gunslinger, in keeping with the "rock stars are the new outlaws" crackpot theme of the LP. Otherwise, ugh. I thought Meisner was a better singer than this.

agree there's a Neil Young feel to the chorus, but like eighth-generation Neil Young.

col, Thursday, 5 September 2013 12:51 (three years ago) Permalink

I disagree, I think it's quite memorable because of the vocal. But still rubbish though. Crappy lyrics too - "he was a poor boy, raised in a small family" - not going for the telling detail at all there.

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 5 September 2013 12:53 (three years ago) Permalink

i like the chord progression. everything else could use some work. still better than at least half of the first lp.

call all destroyer, Thursday, 5 September 2013 12:57 (three years ago) Permalink

haha the vocals sound weird...like in a different key?

some of the verse reminds me of if Styx was country rock

My Little Pono (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 5 September 2013 13:21 (three years ago) Permalink

its really clunky. kind of ahead of its time though for 1973. by 1978 there would be a zillion AOR bands writing songs like this.

scott seward, Thursday, 5 September 2013 13:22 (three years ago) Permalink

guys like this. they took inspiration from randy.

http://www.popsike.com/pix/20120622/290732554815.jpg

scott seward, Thursday, 5 September 2013 13:24 (three years ago) Permalink

fyi: that EP by The Deal sells for a ton if you ever see it. 200 dollar record.

scott seward, Thursday, 5 September 2013 13:25 (three years ago) Permalink

why?

My Little Pono (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 5 September 2013 13:28 (three years ago) Permalink

Sounds really familiar. Like did Cher do a cover of this?

pplains, Thursday, 5 September 2013 13:28 (three years ago) Permalink

the intro sounds REALLY familiar. like its a song i should know. another song.

scott seward, Thursday, 5 September 2013 13:28 (three years ago) Permalink

The vocals remind me a little of Chris Bell on "I Am The Cosmos": he's at the top of his range (but not really, as we'd see in "Take It To The Limit"), and straining just a little. It works with Bell, not as much with Meisner.

Verse reminds me of the Motels' "Only the Lonely" ("They say that he was craaaazyy"/"It's like I toooolllld you")

Sounds kinda unfinished, like Meisner was pushing the guys to do a drawn-out ending and Henley was like, "Nope, you're done."

Shart Week (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 5 September 2013 13:29 (three years ago) Permalink

"why?"

beats me. i sell a lot of stuff like that to italy for some reason. private press/tiny label AOR stuff in general always good to sell. 70's and early 80's.

scott seward, Thursday, 5 September 2013 13:30 (three years ago) Permalink

huh...that's so weird...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9nq6Dml4PA

^this band later featured a super young Dave Ellefson from Megadeth

My Little Pono (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 5 September 2013 13:36 (three years ago) Permalink

The Litterer Band were a big AOR band in nothern Iowa in the late 70s and early to mid 80s...though they sorta retooled as a hair metal band like a lot of those bands did

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bgDNtXNUXg

My Little Pono (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 5 September 2013 13:38 (three years ago) Permalink

the intro sounds REALLY familiar. like its a song i should know. another song

Carey by Joni Mitchell?

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 5 September 2013 13:41 (three years ago) Permalink

amazing that afterwards one song stays here and the other goes there

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 5 September 2013 13:43 (three years ago) Permalink

it's a no embeds thred m@tt

zvookster, Thursday, 5 September 2013 13:43 (three years ago) Permalink

oops if anyone is a mod they can take it out

My Little Pono (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 5 September 2013 13:45 (three years ago) Permalink

oh before i forget we need a group vote. coming up is a 48 second instrumental on the Desperado album and i need to know whether i should pair it with the next actual song or do we just talk about a 48 second instrumental tomorrow. i'll leave it up to you guys.

scott seward, Thursday, 5 September 2013 13:55 (three years ago) Permalink

48-second instrumental please

Listening to this and Joni back-to-back has sledgehammered home The Eagles' fundamental averageness, I need as much of a break as thread concept can give me.

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 5 September 2013 13:57 (three years ago) Permalink

Friday would be the perfect day for me to enjoy a 48-second Eagles song.

I'm on board with reprises getting their own days in the sun too.

pplains, Thursday, 5 September 2013 13:59 (three years ago) Permalink

another vote for the miniature instrumental (& the reprise)

col, Thursday, 5 September 2013 14:06 (three years ago) Permalink

I'm down with 48 seconds

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 5 September 2013 14:10 (three years ago) Permalink

Ditto

i believe we can c.h.u.d. all night (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 5 September 2013 14:21 (three years ago) Permalink

A Certain Kind of Fool is almost good. I like the plaintive, strained singing on the verses. But not quite. This is miles above Frey filler though.

i believe we can c.h.u.d. all night (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 5 September 2013 14:26 (three years ago) Permalink

okay got it. 48 seconds seems like a nice reward on a friday.

scott seward, Thursday, 5 September 2013 15:26 (three years ago) Permalink

everything about this, from the big ringing acoustic gtr chords, to the "poor boy raised in a small family" conceit, to the "he wants to dance" bridge that introduces his dream while kicking the song into electric rock gear, sounds like the beginning of a heartland rock anthem circa bryan adams, journey, etc., with maybe a little bit of tom petty and johnny cougar tossed in. this could be the exact song that invented the 1980s. except that it abruptly ends at the very point where it should be exploding into the gigantic radio hook that they've been holding out on through that 3-minute buildup.

also, it's really not very good.

fact checking cuz, Thursday, 5 September 2013 16:44 (three years ago) Permalink

Given the context of the album "Desperado" the song has a double meaning. On one hand, it's about a wannabe gunslinger; in another sense, it's about a guitar player learning his chops, in hopes of becoming a rock star. - Tim in Denver

pplains, Thursday, 5 September 2013 16:49 (three years ago) Permalink

Gleeeeeennn Freeeyyyy, when will you come to your seeeenseeeees

YOU GOTTA LET SOMEBODY LOOOOOOVE YOU

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 5 September 2013 16:52 (three years ago) Permalink

On one hand, it's about a wannabe gunslinger; in another sense, it's about a guitar player learning his chops, in hopes of becoming a rock star.

which reminds me of the other '80s band that "certain kind of fool" seems to be a template for: bon jovi.

fact checking cuz, Thursday, 5 September 2013 16:54 (three years ago) Permalink

Funny you should say that since the next commenter on songfacts.com says

You both are right on! I like the way the songs meld into one another. Again Desparado is one of the best albums ever...along with Bon Jovi's soundtrack album for Young Guns. Yea, I like the reference of either or gunslinger or guitar player..so so so cool! - Valerie in Eureka, Calif.

pplains, Thursday, 5 September 2013 16:55 (three years ago) Permalink

yeah that young guns soundtrack is amaz--*shoots self*

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 5 September 2013 16:56 (three years ago) Permalink

... with a guitar

Tommy McTommy (Tom D.), Thursday, 5 September 2013 17:02 (three years ago) Permalink

the gunslinger/rock star metaphor was thoroughly explored elsewhere in 1973 by billy joel on "the ballad of billy the kid," and a year later by bad company on "bad company." among others.

fact checking cuz, Thursday, 5 September 2013 17:04 (three years ago) Permalink

Gleeeeeennn Freeeyyyy, when will you come to your seeeenseeeees

YOU GOTTA LET SOMEBODY LOOOOOOVE YOU

You need to read the cameron crowe eagles article which is on the same site as the Irv Azoff profile that was linked upthread. You'll sing that even louder.

i believe we can c.h.u.d. all night (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 5 September 2013 17:09 (three years ago) Permalink

That site is chock full of Crowe laurel canyony archival stuff, so awesome

i believe we can c.h.u.d. all night (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 5 September 2013 17:09 (three years ago) Permalink

these guys are humanitarian:

Lujack cuts drummer Don Henley short. “Linda Ronstadt.” The name rolls off his lips with lecherous abandon. “She’s probably my favorite chick singer, heh-heh. Say, I remember reading somewhere that the Eagles do the best ‘ooo’s in the business. What do you say to that?”

” ‘ooo’s for bucks, Larry, that’s our motto.” Frey flashes a sly grin. “The only difference between boring and laid back is a million dollars.”

Lujack chortles mirthlessly. “You rock & rollers are all alike, aren’t you? Hey, is it true you guys want to sound like Al Green? What’s the matter, you tired of being cowboys?”

“That’s actually very true,” Henley deadpans. “We almost called this record Black in the Saddle….”

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 5 September 2013 17:41 (three years ago) Permalink

Yeah that's from the article I was talkin about. Later on there's some thoughtful Glenn gems.

i believe we can c.h.u.d. all night (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 5 September 2013 17:59 (three years ago) Permalink

Glemms.

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 5 September 2013 18:05 (three years ago) Permalink

If you had a machine that could pop out a generic 'meaningful' 70s Rock song after programming in a few ingredients (acoustic rhythm guitar, anthem-y chorus, working class pathos), "Certain Kind of Fool" is what would come out.

A Made Man In The Mellow Mafia (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 5 September 2013 18:09 (three years ago) Permalink

Don Henley sits alone at the table tonight. He looks like he could be a better-looking younger brother of Mac Davis.

A Made Man In The Mellow Mafia (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 5 September 2013 18:21 (three years ago) Permalink

better looking that mac davis? shut yo mouf

My Little Pono (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 5 September 2013 18:31 (three years ago) Permalink

He gets better looking each day.

carl agatha, Thursday, 5 September 2013 18:32 (three years ago) Permalink

Take this job and chug it

i believe we can c.h.u.d. all night (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 5 September 2013 18:46 (three years ago) Permalink

Lujack chortles mirthlessly.

Haha, Larry Lujack was the DJ I probably listened to the most growing up. Despite (or maybe because of) being a top Top 40 DJ in Chicago, he was a huge Throbbing Gristle fan.

Shart Week (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 5 September 2013 18:46 (three years ago) Permalink

been listening to new dylan bootleg thing and byrds remasters on cd at the store all week and i can't say it makes eagles a highlight of my day. i can handle it though.

scott seward, Thursday, 5 September 2013 18:49 (three years ago) Permalink

Hey Scott. Younger than Yesterday or 5D if you could only have one?

i believe we can c.h.u.d. all night (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 5 September 2013 18:50 (three years ago) Permalink

sheesh its a toss-up. 5D sounded really good the other day. if i had to pick one though i might have to go with notorious because i wouldn't want to live without "Goin' Back". carole king wrote that one. every time i hear it i just go ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...............that's the stuff.

scott seward, Thursday, 5 September 2013 19:11 (three years ago) Permalink

haha, what is with Glenn Frey stating the address of every house he lived in from that CC article?

pplains, Thursday, 5 September 2013 19:15 (three years ago) Permalink

Xpost I already have the notorious bros remaster. Tryin to decide which to get next. Notorious has been in top 5 sixties records for ages. The segue into "get to you" = heaven.

i believe we can c.h.u.d. all night (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 5 September 2013 19:17 (three years ago) Permalink

In my top 5*

i believe we can c.h.u.d. all night (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 5 September 2013 19:18 (three years ago) Permalink

oh okay! just get them both. i can't remember what the extra stuff is but there is extra stuff on both that is good.

scott seward, Thursday, 5 September 2013 19:27 (three years ago) Permalink

haha, what is with Glenn Frey stating the address of every house he lived in from that CC article?

#googlestreetviewswag

A Made Man In The Mellow Mafia (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 5 September 2013 19:28 (three years ago) Permalink

oh okay! just get them both. i can't remember what the extra stuff is but there is extra stuff on both that is good.

If you're in the US, you can get all of the Byrds remasters (bar Untitled) for $5 or less new. GET...THEM...ALL

A Made Man In The Mellow Mafia (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 5 September 2013 19:30 (three years ago) Permalink

the only dylan bootleg series i have for sale in the store right now

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/1173649_10152489824862137_1056945951_n.jpg

scott seward, Thursday, 5 September 2013 19:45 (three years ago) Permalink

i like herbie mann in the corner there. he's saying: don't buy that boring shit. hang out with me and my pal roy ayers.

scott seward, Thursday, 5 September 2013 19:48 (three years ago) Permalink

#googlestreetviewswag

― A Made Man In The Mellow Mafia (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, September 5, 2013 2:28 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

And yeah, I was looking them up until Frey says something like "I got a letter at 1426 E. Canyon Rock Trail, Apt. E5, that said..." and I was all Damn, dude's playing me like one of his crappy songs.

pplains, Thursday, 5 September 2013 19:49 (three years ago) Permalink

He's also trying to tell us were the sexy girls are:

She moved in next door to me
And she showed me her world
What a neighbor, thanks for the favor
She's a very sexy girl

She's a sexy girl
(Sexy girl, sexy girl)
She's a very sexy girl
She's a sexy girl
(Sexy girl, sexy girl)
She's a very sexy girl

I got a feeling I can't go wrong
'Cause every time I see her
It's like hearing my favorite song
She's already down the steps
She's way down the block
But my heart keeps beating faster
And it just won't stop

She's a sexy girl
(Sexy girl, sexy girl)
She's a very sexy girl, that's right
She's a sexy girl
(Sexy girl, sexy girl)
She's a very sexy girl

I love to take her walkin' and when we started talkin'
I'd tell her she's the finest I've ever seen
She'd look into my eyes but then I realize
I'm holding on to a dream

She's a sexy girl
(Sexy girl, sexy girl)
She's a very sexy girl, she's mine
She's a sexy girl
(Sexy girl, sexy girl)
She's a very sexy girl

Stop any man walking down the street
Ask him what kind of girl he'd like to meet
There's not one thing in this whole wide world
He'd rather see than a sexy girl

She's a sexy girl
(Sexy girl, sexy girl)
She's a very sexy girl, oh yeah
She's a sexy girl
(Sexy girl, sexy girl)
She's a very sexy girl

A Made Man In The Mellow Mafia (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 5 September 2013 19:52 (three years ago) Permalink

if i remember correctly, he gets his ass beat in that video.

and shot in smugglers blues, damn. glenn what's wrong?

pplains, Thursday, 5 September 2013 19:55 (three years ago) Permalink

I remembered incorrectly.

video's probably better without the sound anyway.

pplains, Thursday, 5 September 2013 20:01 (three years ago) Permalink

FYI: you can watch entire episodes of Glenn Frey's horrible 90's t.v. show South Of Sunset on Youtube:

http://youtu.be/KzaXnFGxbyk

scott seward, Thursday, 5 September 2013 20:11 (three years ago) Permalink

he should have done "North of Tequila Sunrise."

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 5 September 2013 20:14 (three years ago) Permalink

I have never been so filled with equally opposite "OMG IT WILL BE HORRIBLE" reactions of joy and choking horror

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 5 September 2013 20:14 (three years ago) Permalink

if I shoot my tv will Glenn Frey pay for a new one y/n

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 5 September 2013