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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uKl3xeBVY4

New thread, because this might wrongfully be forgotten in a year or two. Because there is no mention of her on ILM so far apart from mine. Because I want to marry and have steamy sex with and cry over this brilliant song. Because I have played it on repeat endlessly. Because David Lynch should take note. Because it is fantastic.

I for one am (Le Bateau Ivre), Saturday, 6 August 2011 22:26 (ten years ago) link

yes plz. ILG got there first btw.

Mordy, Saturday, 6 August 2011 22:32 (ten years ago) link

ILG? Point me towards it plz

I for one am (Le Bateau Ivre), Saturday, 6 August 2011 22:33 (ten years ago) link

rolling thread of stuff worth reading on videogames

Mordy, Saturday, 6 August 2011 22:34 (ten years ago) link

Did not catch that, but we seem to agree on this on a deep fundamental level Mordy <3

I for one am (Le Bateau Ivre), Saturday, 6 August 2011 22:35 (ten years ago) link

Not until October when this song gets a vinyl release. There's no EP or LP yet, either. Agony.

I for one am (Le Bateau Ivre), Saturday, 6 August 2011 22:35 (ten years ago) link

song is so gorgeous.

Mordy, Saturday, 6 August 2011 22:36 (ten years ago) link

great song.
came to it via pitchfork via grizzly bear.

sean gramophone, Saturday, 6 August 2011 22:38 (ten years ago) link

Link doesn't work for me (not after deleting the first part of it).

I tried and tried and made a lame attempt reviving a slowcore thread earlier today but I cannot classify this song, which is really for the best. My song of the year so far, no doubt.

I for one am (Le Bateau Ivre), Saturday, 6 August 2011 22:40 (ten years ago) link

i'll cosign that -- helps that i haven't heard much i love this year, but this really is amazing + beautiful. a little cat power'y, no?

Mordy, Saturday, 6 August 2011 22:42 (ten years ago) link

If that is true I have to listen to way more Cat Power! I keep thinking Nancy Sinatra for some reason.

I for one am (Le Bateau Ivre), Saturday, 6 August 2011 22:42 (ten years ago) link

"i heard you like the bad girls honey / is that true?" destroys me every time

Mordy, Saturday, 6 August 2011 22:48 (ten years ago) link

Hah! So true... me too...

I for one am (Le Bateau Ivre), Saturday, 6 August 2011 22:49 (ten years ago) link

Holy shit this song. October, really? Fuck! WILL BUY LIKE FIVE HUNDRED TIMES.

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Sunday, 7 August 2011 01:03 (ten years ago) link

me three re: that line

this is a great song

teledyldonix, Sunday, 7 August 2011 02:35 (ten years ago) link

i am SUPER IMPRESSED by this song

lex pretend, Sunday, 7 August 2011 12:15 (ten years ago) link

what else is there out there by her?

lex pretend, Sunday, 7 August 2011 12:15 (ten years ago) link

the stuff i'm reading suggested a nellie mckay angle, press wise

lex pretend, Sunday, 7 August 2011 12:16 (ten years ago) link

Whoah, this might be the first time the Lex is as impressed by a song as I am! Good times :-)

There's only two or three songs out there. Will be released in October on vinyl and mp3

I for one am (Le Bateau Ivre), Sunday, 7 August 2011 12:16 (ten years ago) link

Wow, what a smoky little thunderstorm of a song! Youtube-to-mp3 converted immediately. Wish I was still in a position in life where I could freely abuse nyquil, cause I could totally see drinking half a bottle and listening to this on repeat for 3 hours.

kkvgz, Sunday, 7 August 2011 12:29 (ten years ago) link

adding to the chorus here; this song is marvelous

rameau: first blood (donna rouge), Sunday, 7 August 2011 18:49 (ten years ago) link

I mean, goddamn

can't really find a single coherent thought to express about this song — after "pull up in your fast car, whistlin' my name" everything goes black w/ multicolored streaks of stars

swaguirre, the wrath of basedgod (bernard snowy), Sunday, 7 August 2011 19:33 (ten years ago) link

... I suppose I'll go ahead and lay this card on the table tho: how much 'irony', if any, do y'all hear in her delivery?

swaguirre, the wrath of basedgod (bernard snowy), Sunday, 7 August 2011 19:34 (ten years ago) link

Hmm. Her delivery is deliciously knowing, but I don't think it's disingenuous.

Vast Halo, Sunday, 7 August 2011 19:48 (ten years ago) link

Will be released in October on vinyl and mp3.

Bah. I get that vinyl fits her aesthetic, but eschewing CD will be a cruel blow to those of us who don't own turntables but do care about sound quality.

Vast Halo, Sunday, 7 August 2011 19:54 (ten years ago) link

"i heard you like the bad girls honey / is that true?" destroys me every time

so much

lex pretend, Sunday, 7 August 2011 20:55 (ten years ago) link

"diet mtn dew" is excellent too

i have a few residual suspicions about what i suspect is a shtick, as well as the very conveniently simultaneous way she's been noticed by critics, but these are quality, quality songs

lex pretend, Sunday, 7 August 2011 20:57 (ten years ago) link

Uploaded by LanaDelRey on May 27, 2011
www.facebook.com/lanadelrey
HOLLYWOOD SADCORE

ice cr?m, Sunday, 7 August 2011 21:01 (ten years ago) link

hopefully the attention del rey gets will give me an opportunity to wave fiona apple in people's faces again, at least

lex pretend, Sunday, 7 August 2011 21:08 (ten years ago) link

This song is beautiful...

Matt DC, Sunday, 7 August 2011 21:16 (ten years ago) link

Also liking this a lot, with bernard snowy on the excellence of that first line.

boxall, Sunday, 7 August 2011 21:20 (ten years ago) link

Bah. I get that vinyl fits her aesthetic, but eschewing CD will be a cruel blow to those of us who don't own turntables but do care about sound quality.

― Vast Halo, Sunday, August 7, 2011 9:54 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark

I don't know if there won't be a CD, but at least there will be an mp3 and vinyl.

So chuffed this is getting love here!

I for one am (Le Bateau Ivre), Sunday, 7 August 2011 22:00 (ten years ago) link

i can't remember the last time i kept having to come back to a song so much on the first day i heard it

lex pretend, Sunday, 7 August 2011 22:01 (ten years ago) link

<3

Me too. Tirelessly repeating it.

I for one am (Le Bateau Ivre), Sunday, 7 August 2011 22:02 (ten years ago) link

just got in and literally the first thing i did was go to my computer to play the youtube video - my groceries are still sitting on the floor

rameau: first blood (donna rouge), Sunday, 7 August 2011 23:40 (ten years ago) link

I like this song but I'm getting a promotional street team vibe off of this thread...

LaMonte, Sunday, 7 August 2011 23:52 (ten years ago) link

I'm as unnerved as anyone by the seemingly unanimous consensus (+ as lex aptly put it, "residual suspicions about what i suspect is a shtick")... but at the same time, it really *does* feel like this totally unique, amazing, timely song that just... appeared from nowhere.

I've only ('only') played it like a half-dozen times today tho, and am trying to balance my desire for further listening against my desire to adopt a more critical and self-aware position in said listening (I get suspicious when something seems "too good to be true"). not that I'm rushing to be the first one to burst the internet echo chamber's bubble of irrational exuberance; just that I'd like to deconstruct my own and other people's reactions to this (very very good) piece of music in order to understand *why* it's hitting us all so hard.

swaguirre, the wrath of basedgod (bernard snowy), Monday, 8 August 2011 00:21 (ten years ago) link

off the top of my head, start with
—the ever-present mystique of the total blank-slate unknown artist, who is doing
—a well-done pastiche(?) of a much-loved style that is not especially popular or prominent at the moment, coupled with
—a strikingly original video that supports the aesthetic of the song (i.e. doesn't just feel like a gimmick), while also giving it
—an unmistakably contemporary 'twist'; all topped off with
—a hot girl, who is
—singing about video games, but also
—love,
—love,
—glorious bittersweet terrible love

swaguirre, the wrath of basedgod (bernard snowy), Monday, 8 August 2011 00:29 (ten years ago) link

I really hope this gets released as a one-sided 12" single that plays on 45rpm, because I'd buy the shit out of that.

Don't really wanna be friends with anyone who could hear this song and not melt.

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Monday, 8 August 2011 00:39 (ten years ago) link

This is great and I did melt. But I composed myself enough to play it again. Four times in a row.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Monday, 8 August 2011 00:47 (ten years ago) link

Kill, Kill: http://www.spinner.com/2008/12/18/lizzy-grant-kill-kill-video-of-the-day/

Kerm, Monday, 8 August 2011 00:51 (ten years ago) link

nice find! song's not bad either

swaguirre, the wrath of basedgod (bernard snowy), Monday, 8 August 2011 00:56 (ten years ago) link

Will be released in October on vinyl and mp3

or you can get the instrumental karaoke version right now

LaMonte, Monday, 8 August 2011 01:29 (ten years ago) link

fucking awful video

J0rdan S., Monday, 8 August 2011 01:44 (ten years ago) link

Just wanna put it out there that I posted this video to WS back in early June to no fanfare.

Also I heard a joke:
Q: how'd the hipster burn his mouth?
A: he ate pizza before it was cool.

jaxon, Monday, 8 August 2011 03:17 (ten years ago) link

^^knew i'd seen it before

Kerm, Monday, 8 August 2011 03:19 (ten years ago) link

It’s hardly a shock that her music so far is so diverse given all the people she’s been in the studio with over the past year, some of whom include Eg White (Adele, Duffy), Chris Braide (Cheryl Cole, Paloma Faith), Guy Chambers (Robbie Williams, Katie Melua), and newcomers Robopop (Neon Hitch, Gym Class Heroes).

I’m not sure if Miss Del Rey has landed a major label record deal yet (I’m sure she probably has and is just waiting to announce it), but she’s under the same PR company in the UK as Adele and Bjork, so the wheels are certainly in motion.

lex pretend, Monday, 8 August 2011 09:28 (ten years ago) link

none of those names she's been in the studio with are remotely promising :/

lex pretend, Monday, 8 August 2011 09:28 (ten years ago) link

Digging through other songs - none as mesmerising as Videogames, and a lot more obvious schtick, though all good so far. I see her triggering the same kind of responses as Nellie McKay and Janelle Monae but I'm not sure how deep this goes and whether it will lead to a great album (feel free to step in here and say McKay and Monae didn't make great debuts either, and I will disagree). Working with Guy Chambers or Eg White is a bad sign.

Now he's doing horse (DL), Monday, 8 August 2011 09:34 (ten years ago) link

That's a weird selection of producers considering the styles of music that I've heard on the youtubes.

kkvgz, Monday, 8 August 2011 09:38 (ten years ago) link

Purple PR iirc? Where's that quote from Lex?

I am still pondering on a reply to the wonderful and interesting comments left by Bernard Snowy. I don't think I'm ready yet to go into speculation or unravelling the whole marketing thing, if any. I do deeply dread the h*pster word has already shown up on this thread...

I for one am (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 8 August 2011 09:39 (ten years ago) link

Yeah Bernard's being v smart. I'm still taking that song in - I haven't had time to develop any critical thoughts.

Whatever's going on with the marketing, and may go wrong en route to the album, doesn't take an atom of marvellousness away from Video Games.

Now he's doing horse (DL), Monday, 8 August 2011 09:44 (ten years ago) link

bateau - it's from some blog that i'm not gonna link cuz the last time i encountered them they were calling me a bitter bitch, lol. first page of google results if you google lana del rey, though.

i've heard two other songs and i think i enjoy "diet mtn dew" almost as much as "video games", but the latter has that extra something about it that just stops you in your tracks...

i don't think del rey is as invested in being funny or weird as mckay or monáe. i did really enjoy that first nellie mckay album though.

lex pretend, Monday, 8 August 2011 09:49 (ten years ago) link

Ok understood Lex ;) Thanks.

I found the album she recorded a couple of years ago under her real name, Lizzy Grant. I'll make it available here tonight when back from work, if people are interested. I've not heard everything from it, but I agree with Lex that while Video Games takes the cake, the other songs aren't particularly filler, they all wave something about them. On the whole there a lot of interesting things about her music and I think she's definitely got a great album in her, too. Especially the song 'Yayo' is very, very good.

I need to check out the Nellie McKay album now, too, don't I?

I for one am (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 8 August 2011 10:22 (ten years ago) link

wave=have

I for one am (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 8 August 2011 10:22 (ten years ago) link

Just wanna put it out there that I posted this video to WS back in early June to no fanfare.

Also I heard a joke:
Q: how'd the hipster burn his mouth?
A: he ate pizza before it was cool.

― jaxon, Monday, August 8, 2011 3:17 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark


haha, I love that joke; been telling it nonstop at parties lately.

that's interesting, tho—do you remember where/how you found the video?

swaguirre, the wrath of basedgod (bernard snowy), Monday, 8 August 2011 11:07 (ten years ago) link

also, one more thing to add (and only because somebody called me "smart" <3) — for me, thinking about this kind of industry/marketing/PR stuff in no way takes away from the music. especially because, as y'all so quickly discovered, this is very much a 'relaunch' of a talented artist who failed to make a splash 3 years ago, given higher production values and a new name and a makeover.

I mean, the most widely-voiced complaint at this point seems to be "ewww ridiculous ducklips, what possessed you to do this to yourself???"; which is true, but does nothing to take away from the heartbreaking emotion of a song that goes "it's you it's you it's all for you / everything I do / [...] / go play your video games".

also, lol@her (self?)description as "hollywood sadcore" and "gangster nancy sinatra"

swaguirre, the wrath of basedgod (bernard snowy), Monday, 8 August 2011 11:18 (ten years ago) link

also also also I need a bigger vocab

swaguirre, the wrath of basedgod (bernard snowy), Monday, 8 August 2011 11:20 (ten years ago) link

aw Bernard <3

I for one am (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 8 August 2011 11:24 (ten years ago) link

"ewww ridiculous ducklips, what possessed you to do this to yourself???"

i was going to post this exact complaint.

you've got male (jim in glasgow), Monday, 8 August 2011 11:38 (ten years ago) link

I think her lips are cute.

kkvgz, Monday, 8 August 2011 11:49 (ten years ago) link

aye i love disfigurement.

you've got male (jim in glasgow), Monday, 8 August 2011 11:51 (ten years ago) link

But anyway, we don't have to rehash the youtube comments section here.

The thing that struck me about the three Lizzie Grant songs I heard was how much they sorta harkened back to the early 2000s for me, sonically. I mean, Video Games, the way I'm hearing it now when it's fresh, sort of shimmers out of a timeless ethereal pool. Gramma, Yayo, and Kill Kill just really hit me the way they would have blended in well with what I was listening to back then (a lot of Dan the Automator-type, downtempo/pop shit, basically).

kkvgz, Monday, 8 August 2011 11:54 (ten years ago) link

(that opinion being formed from just one listen though - I don't know exactly what I'm getting at with it)

kkvgz, Monday, 8 August 2011 11:55 (ten years ago) link

The string arrangement is the secret weapon of Video Games, love it so much.

Matt DC, Monday, 8 August 2011 11:57 (ten years ago) link

Does anybody know what the videogame clips in the video are?

kkvgz, Monday, 8 August 2011 12:01 (ten years ago) link

Gramma, Yayo, and Kill Kill just really hit me the way they would have blended in well with what I was listening to back then (a lot of Dan the Automator-type, downtempo/pop shit, basically).

― kkvgz, Monday, August 8, 2011 7:54 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark

otm

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Monday, 8 August 2011 16:44 (ten years ago) link

I'm pretty sure Nancy Sinatra is the gangster Nancy Sinatra.

LaMonte, Tuesday, 9 August 2011 00:00 (ten years ago) link

lol, i thought that when i first read the 'gangster nancy sinatra' thing

Mordy, Tuesday, 9 August 2011 00:02 (ten years ago) link

I found the album she recorded a couple of years ago under her real name, Lizzy Grant. I'll make it available here tonight when back from work, if people are interested.

Le Bateau Ivre - was this more than just the three songs I mentioned above?

kkvgz, Tuesday, 9 August 2011 09:48 (ten years ago) link

Also want to note that I'm beginning to get a troubling feeling that beyond all the songwriting and vocal tricks and cool collage videos, that I actually like this because I'm some kind of flippin' creepo perv or something.

kkvgz, Tuesday, 9 August 2011 09:58 (ten years ago) link

Yes, nearly 20 songs! No-one responded though and therefore I forgot about... If you're interested I'll hook you up tonight.

I for one am (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 10:41 (ten years ago) link

far out. I definitely want to hear more of this. thanks!

kkvgz, Tuesday, 9 August 2011 11:03 (ten years ago) link

IDGI. It just sounds like slowed down Mazzy Star with harp samples on it. It's just so... nothingy.

I dunno, maybe I'm not in the right place emotionally to be listening to music like this, but tired, sleep deprived, emotionally completely strung out... no. It's not hitting anything for me right now.

But I don't know that anything could.

Aphex Twin … in my vagina? (Karen D. Tregaskin), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 11:14 (ten years ago) link

kkvgz, and others interested: http://www.mediafire.com/?tx7lgwnd84874z4

I for one am (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 21:36 (ten years ago) link

thanks lbi! It downloaded fine. I'll have to listen to it tomorrow morning.

jon/via/chia/pet 2.0 (kkvgz), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 23:53 (ten years ago) link

grabbed it -- can't wait to listen

Mordy, Wednesday, 10 August 2011 00:04 (ten years ago) link

no worries, welcome!

I for one am (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 00:07 (ten years ago) link

I haven't had the chance to listen to all of these, but I think that I can broadly say that I prefer her "Hollywood slowcore"/torch songs to her more upbeat numbers. Those are reminding me at the moment of the Fun Loving Criminals, although I haven't heard that group in 15 years, so...Anyway, every Tarantino soundtrack she has ever listened to shining through. Actually, as I'm writing this, "raise me up" has come on, which seems to temper those influences a little better.

jon/via/chia/pet 2.0 (kkvgz), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 11:05 (ten years ago) link

also, feel like the "lolita" song was not a good loook.

jon/via/chia/pet 2.0 (kkvgz), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 11:08 (ten years ago) link

see also "little girls". ugh woman, why did you think we needed pedo-rock?

jon/via/chia/pet 2.0 (kkvgz), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 11:20 (ten years ago) link

oof this stuff is no good

om nom nom nnamdi asomugha (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 11:57 (ten years ago) link

Perhaps that's why it was pulled? Maybe her material is undergoing a dramatic retooling for modern times.

jon/via/chia/pet 2.0 (kkvgz), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 12:04 (ten years ago) link

Yeah it's not good. I too think it's why they pulled it and why she got a different name.

I for one am (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 12:22 (ten years ago) link

Like, there are a few good songs, but it's mostly a mess. I'll still look forward to whatever comes our way this fall though.

jon/via/chia/pet 2.0 (kkvgz), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 12:27 (ten years ago) link

Just how fast is the turnaround time on these things?

http://open.spotify.com/track/6tywoK1qecGu4azvTFMfpz

dlp9001, Wednesday, 10 August 2011 14:52 (ten years ago) link

i'm pretty much okay with her having just one perfect song

rameau: first blood (donna rouge), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 15:15 (ten years ago) link

but yeah most of the rest of the new tracks are meh - "you can be the boss" put me in mind of ke$ha :/

rameau: first blood (donna rouge), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 15:16 (ten years ago) link

yeah other than "Video Games" this girl is largely awful

Fun Loving Criminals ref otm

sean gramophone, Wednesday, 10 August 2011 15:24 (ten years ago) link

i'm pretty much okay with her having just one perfect song

This, but I'm a little sad because all of the other songs - as bad as most of them are - do have lots of cool little hooks and tricks and melodies buried in them that I would enjoy listening to except for everything else in the song.

jon/via/chia/pet 2.0 (kkvgz), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 15:28 (ten years ago) link

"video games" and "diet mtn dew" are great but to me "buffalo wings" and "sportcenter" are the real emotional center of the album

om nom nom nnamdi asomugha (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 17:16 (ten years ago) link

lol

jon/via/chia/pet 2.0 (kkvgz), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 17:26 (ten years ago) link

hahahaha

just sayin, Wednesday, 10 August 2011 17:28 (ten years ago) link

"LANA DEL REY..."
This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by Ryland Bouchard.

curious...

Popture, Sunday, 14 August 2011 11:09 (ten years ago) link

o-O

Just found this on Bouchard's facebook:

Ryland Bouchard
I'm sorry to all the fans of Lana Del Rey who are upset that her video was removed from the internet for violating my copyright, but my request to her management was simple...

1) Add an apology to the video description for the unauthorized use 2) A promise that she will try to make a Super 8 video herself in the future with an actual film camera and 3) Credits listed in her youtube video for all the sources in which she violated copyrights (including Disney).

This request was rejected by her manager because it "would draw too much attention" to the fact that the footage was stolen. In any case this issue is resolved and the video has been removed. To watch the original footage from "Good Life #2" released in 2009 feel free to go to the attached YouTube link. I hope everyone is well and enjoying their summer.

All the best,

Ryland Bouchard

I for one am (Le Bateau Ivre), Sunday, 14 August 2011 11:14 (ten years ago) link

I thought those clips were from the Warner Brothers' cartoon Hollywood Steps Out?

Popture, Sunday, 14 August 2011 12:41 (ten years ago) link

't Was a mixed bag, like all her videos. So many fragments of old Hollywood films, Roger Rabbit etc.

Seems silly, she just should have given credit.

I for one am (Le Bateau Ivre), Sunday, 14 August 2011 12:52 (ten years ago) link

i'm pretty much okay with her having just one perfect song

― rameau: first blood (donna rouge), Wednesday, August 10, 2011 11:15 AM (4 days ago) Bookmark

I've been saying the same thing.

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Sunday, 14 August 2011 14:20 (ten years ago) link

Only heard "Videogames" and "Yayo" and tbh it was the latter that gave me a chill (in a good way)

leave me alone, i was only zinging (rip van wanko), Sunday, 14 August 2011 16:01 (ten years ago) link

the mazzy star fan in me likes this, but i share everyone's reservations about what's to come.

dance cook (get bent), Sunday, 14 August 2011 16:53 (ten years ago) link

Luca Montefiori
are there any stems out for a remix of any of your songs, may i humbly ask milady

kkvgz, Sunday, 21 August 2011 21:29 (ten years ago) link

we recently completed a remix of 'video games'. going through all the separate parts makes it clear what a beautifully-made piece of music it is, not to mention her awesome voice. a real pleasure to work on, and one of the few where we didn't just shiftclick everything except the vocal and hit delete.

not so keen on diet mtn dew but i like the bouncy old soul feel of 'kinda outta luck' - consensus among friends says this will be her BIG hit, in the uk at least. the b-side to VG 'blue jeans' is also awesome, very much looking forward to remixing that.

i think SHE is great too, just those few flickers of her in videos suggests she has the makings of a popstar that people will obsess over.

NI, Sunday, 28 August 2011 19:58 (ten years ago) link

that ryan bouchard thing is the most hilariously lame shit:

A promise that she will try to make a Super 8 video herself in the future with an actual film camera

haha

NI, Sunday, 28 August 2011 20:00 (ten years ago) link

She reminds me of April March

I played her in Outloud ILXOR last night. Ppl seemed unmoved.

Mordy, Friday, 2 September 2011 14:57 (ten years ago) link

xp: yes!

esteenban HOOTez (kkvgz), Friday, 2 September 2011 15:31 (ten years ago) link

(by which I mean, I hadn't thought of that til now, but good insight, Jimmy the Mod.)

esteenban HOOTez (kkvgz), Friday, 2 September 2011 15:32 (ten years ago) link

also she says "daddy" a lot #talkingpoints

i am not moved by this person's singing, but she has lovely hair
i will say that in addition to "daddy" she seems really focused on "you"
you you you

i drive a wood paneled station dragon (La Lechera), Friday, 2 September 2011 17:58 (ten years ago) link

Idk April March at all -- where do I start w/ her?

Mordy, Friday, 2 September 2011 17:59 (ten years ago) link

she was like 90s ye-ye revival, right?

i drive a wood paneled station dragon (La Lechera), Friday, 2 September 2011 18:02 (ten years ago) link

also she says "daddy" a lot #talkingpoints

― Psyduck is My Spirit Animal (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, September 2, 2011 1:29 PM (39 minutes ago) Bookmark

Yeah, I wasn't sure if she was earnestly trying to be arousing or if she was trying to provoke an utterly squicked-out reaction. See also:

also, feel like the "lolita" song was not a good loook.

― jon/via/chia/pet 2.0 (kkvgz), Wednesday, August 10, 2011 7:08 AM (3 weeks ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

see also "little girls". ugh woman, why did you think we needed pedo-rock?

― jon/via/chia/pet 2.0 (kkvgz), Wednesday, August 10, 2011 7:20 AM (3 weeks ago) Bookmark

esteenban HOOTez (kkvgz), Friday, 2 September 2011 18:11 (ten years ago) link

daddy not always bad thing cf. Christine McVie

Mordy, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:16 (ten years ago) link

See, in the 1970s, daddy had a weird, slangy, hippie biker vibe. It didn't age well.

esteenban HOOTez (kkvgz), Friday, 2 September 2011 18:21 (ten years ago) link

Joni too --"oh you're a mean old Daddy but I like you / I like you / I like you"

Mordy, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:26 (ten years ago) link

papi

lex pretend, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:26 (ten years ago) link

bigpoppa.mp3

A little surprised nobody's posted this yet:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-XgX_KZJTs

muus lääv? :D muus dut :( (Telephone thing), Tuesday, 6 September 2011 05:55 (ten years ago) link

<iframe width="560" height="345" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/8t-I-Lqy06g"; frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

She kinda slacked on video creativity this time (probably afraid of some ass claiming "copyright violation" again) but love her look and love the song, after a couple listens. The shtick hasn't started annoying me yet.

SirGreendown, Friday, 9 September 2011 08:36 (ten years ago) link

Hollaa!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8t-I-Lqy06g

piscesx, Friday, 9 September 2011 15:06 (ten years ago) link

She needs to learn a new trick and fast. I could go either way on the song, but my first impression is that it's quite lovely.

thinveneer, Friday, 9 September 2011 15:29 (ten years ago) link

"video games" and "diet mtn dew" are great but to me "buffalo wings" and "sportcenter" are the real emotional center of the album

― om nom nom nnamdi asomugha (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, August 10, 2011 12:16 PM (4 weeks ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 9 September 2011 15:32 (ten years ago) link

I have a bias towards women who are tragic and glamorous at the same time, so maybe that explains my obsession...but I will say that all of her new songs sound pretty distinct from each other (even vocally), so I'm not worried about her music itself getting old yet.

SirGreendown, Friday, 9 September 2011 15:38 (ten years ago) link

Just to clarify, I was talking about her videos getting old - not her songs.

thinveneer, Friday, 9 September 2011 15:43 (ten years ago) link

Blue Jeans is great

reminds me of Shivaree in a way

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 10 September 2011 10:30 (ten years ago) link

reminds me of Wicked Game

Jamie_ATP, Saturday, 10 September 2011 10:39 (ten years ago) link

Yeah, I can hear a little of that in there. This is good. This bodes well for whenever the hell the album is going to drop.

kkvgz, Saturday, 10 September 2011 11:07 (ten years ago) link

I miss the old "Video Games" video

(of course, I would)

Two Guys, a Girl, a Pizza Place, a Baby, and The Fucking Fury (bernard snowy), Saturday, 10 September 2011 13:52 (ten years ago) link

oh yeah and that max tundra cover is wonderful

Two Guys, a Girl, a Pizza Place, a Baby, and The Fucking Fury (bernard snowy), Saturday, 10 September 2011 13:52 (ten years ago) link

I was blown away the first time I saw and heard "Video Games." Still listen to the song at least once a day. She just nailed that experience of being ignored no matter what you are willing to offer while your boyfriend is consumed with his friends and their trivial activities. Oh, high school.

thinveneer, Saturday, 10 September 2011 15:04 (ten years ago) link

I miss the old "Video Games" video

Someone added a genius comment to it, now also sadly lost to posterity: "She could have joined in and played video games with her boyfriend as a bonding experience, but instead she writes this dispiriting song."

Vast Halo, Sunday, 11 September 2011 10:44 (ten years ago) link

I think it's more arch than dispiriting.

Tim F, Sunday, 11 September 2011 11:28 (ten years ago) link

shivaree comparison otm! i always thought this song could have been huge in a parallel universe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRqUONe_aAI

her wooden performance in that awkward video, which i've only just seen for the first time, can't have helped matters though

i asked for "HALF" a glass of wine, because i am TEMPERENT (lex pretend), Sunday, 11 September 2011 13:30 (ten years ago) link

wow Blue jeans is great. I'm hearing some Morphine in her tracks which is always good in my book.

As is the Shivaree stuff. How have I missed her? Did it not make it to British shores.

owenf, Sunday, 11 September 2011 13:54 (ten years ago) link

and a bit of cowboy junkies too

owenf, Sunday, 11 September 2011 13:55 (ten years ago) link

i don't think shivaree made it anyway (they're a band, the singer is ambrosia parsley) (#greatrealnames). first two albums are great, don't think i heard anything after that.

i asked for "HALF" a glass of wine, because i am TEMPERENT (lex pretend), Sunday, 11 September 2011 14:08 (ten years ago) link

*anywhere

i asked for "HALF" a glass of wine, because i am TEMPERENT (lex pretend), Sunday, 11 September 2011 14:09 (ten years ago) link

Thanks for the Shivaree links Lex!

I dig Blue Jeans. Shame Video Games/Blue Jeans are only properly released in October, probably meaning a proper full-length will take a long time to appear.

Vision Kreayshawn Newsun (Le Bateau Ivre), Sunday, 11 September 2011 16:26 (ten years ago) link

Goodnight Moon was no.1 in Italy! Also plays over the closing credits to Kill Bill.

A little bit like Peter Crouch but with more mobility (ShariVari), Sunday, 11 September 2011 16:33 (ten years ago) link

yeah man shivaree comparison soooo otm... had totally forgotten abt them

just sayin, Sunday, 11 September 2011 18:18 (ten years ago) link

man, I don't like her uptempo numbers at all, but way impressed with the gloomy / slow / sad / sexy ones

the tune is space, Sunday, 11 September 2011 18:27 (ten years ago) link

Shivaree was played by Mark & Lard iirc. But yeah she sounds the same. I love Blue Jeans; the rest I've heard I kind of tune out after a while.

kinder, Sunday, 11 September 2011 18:48 (ten years ago) link

yeah I think the uptempo ones are older. At least the whole thing she's going for seems to be a bit more realised in video games/blue jeans. Blue jeans being stronger by a country mile too

owenf, Sunday, 11 September 2011 22:37 (ten years ago) link

"goodnight moon" is one of my all-time favorite songs - just perfect in every way

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 12 September 2011 15:08 (ten years ago) link

I'm hearing some Jimmie Dale Gilmore in there, too!

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 12 September 2011 15:15 (ten years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1mQvHXRlZE

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 12 September 2011 15:19 (ten years ago) link

I seem to end up humming 'Angelene' by PJ Harvey after listening to 'blue jeans' which is usually a sign to me that they sound similar in some way. Anyone else hear this?

kinder, Wednesday, 14 September 2011 07:15 (ten years ago) link

don't really get the cat power comps. EMA is the most cat powery of new ppl out i think; i find LDR to be more calculated

fennel cartwright, Wednesday, 14 September 2011 07:23 (ten years ago) link

I'm SURE I'm the only one who heard this connection, but the two note, sing-songy melody line at the beginning of Video Games reminded me of the intro to this Cockney Rebel song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiWdhYGXQt8

Prostetnic Vogon Limbaugh (Dan Peterson), Wednesday, 14 September 2011 15:39 (ten years ago) link

i dunno about this... "video games" is pretty pretty. dare i say it, the whole aesthetic is "annoying"

goole, Wednesday, 14 September 2011 18:14 (ten years ago) link

good thing to bug some of the people

NI, Wednesday, 14 September 2011 20:02 (ten years ago) link

This is pretty sad tbh
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-qLIL0BzayYQ/Ti79mVyL03I/AAAAAAAAAW0/D9EJo0DCJiI/s320/rob-lizzy.jpg

Number None, Thursday, 15 September 2011 11:01 (ten years ago) link

her whole makeover (and I just mis-typed that as "whore" makeover lol :\ ) is... off putting

Waxahachie Swap (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Thursday, 15 September 2011 13:46 (ten years ago) link

You mean like putting off any work to watch Lana del Rey vids all day?

rustic italian flatbread, Thursday, 15 September 2011 13:51 (ten years ago) link

idgi, Number None, what is that?

goole, Thursday, 15 September 2011 16:04 (ten years ago) link

That's a pic of her and her dad from like 4 years ago.

rustic italian flatbread, Thursday, 15 September 2011 16:08 (ten years ago) link

why is it sad

runaway (Matt P), Thursday, 15 September 2011 16:11 (ten years ago) link

Cos of what she looks like now?

Number None, Thursday, 15 September 2011 16:12 (ten years ago) link

well i for one am so happy you're sad for her

runaway (Matt P), Thursday, 15 September 2011 16:15 (ten years ago) link

this world is too harsh not to have strangers sad for us when we change the way we look

runaway (Matt P), Thursday, 15 September 2011 16:16 (ten years ago) link

Don't really know what you're getting at man

Number None, Thursday, 15 September 2011 16:17 (ten years ago) link

lol i just watched "video games" (instead of just listening) -- the clip of paz de la huerta in a gutter @ 1:55 kind of gives the game away, dunnit

goole, Thursday, 15 September 2011 16:30 (ten years ago) link

it's nothing Bowie didn't do surely, or near as dammit? a massive amount of this is cause she's a girl lest that needed saying. she had her lips slightly plumped up?? Jesus, big freakin deal.

piscesx, Thursday, 15 September 2011 16:31 (ten years ago) link

i think bob dylan's had work done

goole, Thursday, 15 September 2011 16:32 (ten years ago) link

I think seeing the lyrics written out in text speak was the "kind of gives the game away" moment 4 me

I would like some juice from OJ Da Juiceman's wife's vagina (bernard snowy), Thursday, 15 September 2011 16:49 (ten years ago) link

what "game" are we talking about here?

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Thursday, 15 September 2011 19:54 (ten years ago) link

If you haven't heard of Lana Del Rey, YOU WILL SOON because we are convinced that this gorgeous crooner is going to be everywhere ASAP, like basically by the time this post is published. ZOMG she is so important. Anyway, this self-proclaimed "gangster Nancy Sinatra" embodies the best of strong, sculpted eyebrows, bump-its + hairsprayed tonsorial PERFECTION, and we can SO vividly picture her swanning out of a beautiful Hollywood Hills house with a kidney bean-shaped swimming pool in an ultramarine nylon mini shift and white patent leather go-go boots.

AND a big-ass dookie rope chain and gold hoops. She is also, obviously, drinking something out of a martini glass. She describes her sound as "Hollywood Pop/Sad Core" and uuuuuuum #sadcore is VERY up our alley. The enormously satisfying juxtaposition of old-school glamour plus inexplicably morose contemporary images in her music video plus super-duper prettiness is completely blowing our minds.

We can't get enough of her video for "Video Games" because not only are our ears oh so happy with her Florence meets Cat Power meets A Fine Frenzy melodies, but we also really need more retro off-the-shoulder sweaters in our lives and closets. Thankfully, we're positive that this isn't the last we've seen of Lana. And PRAISE BE, because her style strikes such a unique and perfect balance between classic beauty and refreshingly unexpected (do you have EYEBALLS? Are you SEEING that top made COMPLETELY of roses/carnations/I'm not a horticulturist???) that is just so ready for its place in the sun. Now run along and entertain yourselves for a while with the video below while we go dig up some hot rollers and lip venom. Swooooooooooooooooon.

Jamie_ATP, Thursday, 15 September 2011 20:56 (ten years ago) link

barf

the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 15 September 2011 21:00 (ten years ago) link

old stuff - Hipster Runoff's been monitoring the situation pretty closely...

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Thursday, 15 September 2011 21:02 (ten years ago) link

(xpost) Holy hell, that PR is real!

Prostetnic Vogon Limbaugh (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 15 September 2011 21:03 (ten years ago) link

Kind of think she's been designed for the crepey dudes who've been fantasizing about a late 60s Sally Draper.

Stevie T, Thursday, 15 September 2011 21:06 (ten years ago) link

that's not PR, that's from an mtv.com blog post

J0rdan S., Thursday, 15 September 2011 21:08 (ten years ago) link

not sure if that makes it better or worse tho

J0rdan S., Thursday, 15 September 2011 21:08 (ten years ago) link

is that mtv.com blog post sincere?

Mordy, Thursday, 15 September 2011 21:51 (ten years ago) link

that's an... interesting question

goole, Thursday, 15 September 2011 21:52 (ten years ago) link

hmmm yeah i didn't notice the "lip venom" line until you said that

the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 15 September 2011 21:56 (ten years ago) link

https://twitter.com/#!/gorillavsbear/status/114395525553467392

Mordy, Thursday, 15 September 2011 23:21 (ten years ago) link

haha those two are p much twitter fighting non-stop

the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 15 September 2011 23:26 (ten years ago) link

1000TimesYes Chris Weingarten
@gorillavsbear U always struck me as a reformed jock who discovered Smashing Pumpkins in college so no shock that you like sorority indie

buzza, Thursday, 15 September 2011 23:27 (ten years ago) link

lol #shotsfired

the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 15 September 2011 23:28 (ten years ago) link

lol @ gvb having a verified twitter account

markers, Thursday, 15 September 2011 23:29 (ten years ago) link

the state of music criticism in 2011 xxp

Mordy, Thursday, 15 September 2011 23:30 (ten years ago) link

ha. thought that said "lol @ gbv having a verified twitter account"...

m0stlyClean, Thursday, 15 September 2011 23:45 (ten years ago) link

how do you prove that you are in fact a gorilla fighting a bear

dmr, Friday, 16 September 2011 00:22 (ten years ago) link

what is gorilla vs bear? nm i'm not actually interested

seems striking that most of the UK critics i follow on twitter LOVE ldr and most of the US critics HATE her

i asked for "HALF" a glass of wine, because i am TEMPERENT (lex pretend), Friday, 16 September 2011 20:37 (ten years ago) link

yeah we like good music here, american tradition

the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 16 September 2011 20:37 (ten years ago) link

she has one good song, and one not good song

also she had plastic surgery!

we report, you decide

J0rdan S., Friday, 16 September 2011 20:38 (ten years ago) link

she has many more songs than that but i only really like one of them (haven't heard "blue jeans" yet)

the *facepalm* at the trend of the hivemind (donna rouge), Friday, 16 September 2011 20:39 (ten years ago) link

I think "Video Games" is pretty good. I haven't searched out much else by her. I like sad, moody chanteuses.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6M4UJ6kzjk

Prostetnic Vogon Limbaugh (Dan Peterson), Friday, 16 September 2011 20:42 (ten years ago) link

That Eilen Jewell album is excellent. One of the best of the year.

thinveneer, Friday, 16 September 2011 20:52 (ten years ago) link

"blue jeans" is good but "video games" is the one that's stuck in my head ALL THE TIME.

debenture banhart (get bent), Friday, 16 September 2011 21:11 (ten years ago) link

waiting for pitchfork to disown lana & pan the fuck out of her album once they see light

cuddles (the kid), Saturday, 17 September 2011 03:48 (ten years ago) link

http://usera.ImageCave.com/Vast_Halo/4haters.jpg

Vast Halo, Saturday, 17 September 2011 09:22 (ten years ago) link

Probably the worst thing to happen this year.

abcfsk, Saturday, 17 September 2011 09:43 (ten years ago) link

meh not feeling any of these songs at all. And I usually like sad moody chanteuses.

(That Ellen Jewell sounds lovely though - hadn't heard of HER, thanks!)

Roz, Saturday, 17 September 2011 15:49 (ten years ago) link

haha, here comes the inevitable ldr backlash!

debenture banhart (get bent), Saturday, 17 September 2011 16:42 (ten years ago) link

god, I wish there had been a sufficient forwardlash.

rustic italian flatbread, Saturday, 17 September 2011 16:55 (ten years ago) link

I thought she sucked right away, any artist I find out about through kotaku is on shaky ground

the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 17 September 2011 17:37 (ten years ago) link

i don't read any of those sites. i just clicked teh youtubez cuz people whose tastes i respect were saying nice things about her. as far as i'm concerned, she's just a chick with some songs; i don't really care whether she's defrauding any indie kids with her lips/name/label attention.

debenture banhart (get bent), Saturday, 17 September 2011 19:35 (ten years ago) link

i'm so sick of the whole "fake!!!!!" brush that indies tar certain artists with anyway. life is not a husker du concert; put away your carbon-paper zines and mail-order tapes and enjoy something of dubious provenance for once without feeling guilty.

debenture banhart (get bent), Saturday, 17 September 2011 19:41 (ten years ago) link

yeah. the "sorority indie" comment has had me stewing.

rustic italian flatbread, Saturday, 17 September 2011 19:49 (ten years ago) link

If the lips don't fit, you must acquit...

dlp9001, Saturday, 17 September 2011 20:17 (ten years ago) link

Kind of think she's been designed for the crepey dudes who've been fantasizing about a late 60s Sally Draper.

― Stevie T, Thursday, September 15, 2011 9:06 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark

Love this.

Tim F, Saturday, 17 September 2011 20:23 (ten years ago) link

Also crepey dudes are the worst!

Tim F, Saturday, 17 September 2011 20:24 (ten years ago) link

I could care less if she's fake or not, she just sucks, what ponderous garbage

Lol carbon paper zines, wtf are you talking about

the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 17 September 2011 20:59 (ten years ago) link

Btw kotaku is the most popular video game site, its got nothing to do with indie

the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 17 September 2011 21:00 (ten years ago) link

I love 'Video Games', the other songs less so. The execution, if not the actual style, reminds me a bit of Goldfrapp, and what I think of as Moodboard Pop. I take my hat off to the stylist/art director - who knows, maybe Lana herself! - who've conjured up Rita Hayworth + Ann-Margret + Bobbie Gentry x Mazzy Star ÷ David Lynch. But the algebra for the songs is a bit more tricky.

Stevie T, Saturday, 17 September 2011 21:05 (ten years ago) link

The production on "Video Games" is better than her singing, particularly after the first minute. She doesn't sound too convincing at a few parts.

Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 17 September 2011 21:16 (ten years ago) link

ya I don't really care about dumb indie blog wars (fwiw lip work or not, she's gorgeous and the videos are great), I just don't think her songs are that good - or maybe it's just the way she's singing them that's bugging me. I dunno, I haven't really pinpointed what I don't like about her yet, but I'm def not hearing whatever everyone else is.

Roz, Saturday, 17 September 2011 21:16 (ten years ago) link

New York-based songwriter Lizzy Grant was set to debut her Lana Del Rey moniker with a pair of shows in New York City and Los Angeles later this month. But an issued press release now reports that those plans has been temporarily postponed so that these shows can be moved to large venues. The new dates will be announced on Lana Del Rey’s Facebook page next week.

lol complications from plastic surgery

buzza, Saturday, 17 September 2011 22:00 (ten years ago) link

I could care less if she's fake or not, she just sucks, what ponderous garbage rules, what great music

― the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, September 17, 2011 10:59 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

Vision Kreayshawn Newsun (Le Bateau Ivre), Saturday, 17 September 2011 22:55 (ten years ago) link

I actually dig Videogames almost just for using skate footage when it's been so taboo since Mandy Moore/Avril Lavigne kinda signed it's death as "things dudes do to impress girls"

I mean, yeah, but - no... skateboarding is, if anything, like nerds and their literal videogames... girls aren't only excluded, they're not even an afterthought.

/11thgrademusings

Hullo, I'm Jon Moss (kelpolaris), Sunday, 18 September 2011 01:53 (ten years ago) link

oh shi - i neglected panda bear's a fairly big skateboarding aficionado (ollie noises in...take pills, is it?) but otherwise it's not something i've seen much dared in videos since. not since this anyway
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_e4e-eXWbbs

Hullo, I'm Jon Moss (kelpolaris), Sunday, 18 September 2011 01:55 (ten years ago) link

I mean, yeah, but - no... skateboarding is, if anything, like nerds and their literal videogames... girls aren't only excluded, they're not even an afterthought.

Yeah - that was my response to that footage as well, and one of the elements of the video that makes it work. And I still think it's an awfully pretty song.

thinveneer, Sunday, 18 September 2011 06:26 (ten years ago) link

Below, watch the video for "Blue Jeans", the B-side to her BNT'd song "Video Games".

What the hell does "BNT'd" mean?

rustic italian flatbread, Monday, 19 September 2011 19:41 (ten years ago) link

bridge n tunnel?
best new 'tube?

dmr, Monday, 19 September 2011 19:48 (ten years ago) link

where i'm from, "bridge 'n' tunnel"!

haha xpost

the tyrone power mixtape (get bent), Monday, 19 September 2011 19:48 (ten years ago) link

Oh, It's probably Best New Track. The quote was from pitchfork. I get it.

rustic italian flatbread, Monday, 19 September 2011 19:49 (ten years ago) link

Gawker says things:

http://gawker.com/5842924/hipster-music-blogs-need-to-get-over-their-authenticity-problem

Do check out the comments, though.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 22 September 2011 18:56 (ten years ago) link

"Her music is great"

stopped reading there

bunnistula (buzza), Thursday, 22 September 2011 19:11 (ten years ago) link

"Her music is great"

http://i.imgur.com/e2kKN.jpg

markers, Thursday, 22 September 2011 19:22 (ten years ago) link

(i don't really have an opinion atm tbh)

markers, Thursday, 22 September 2011 19:22 (ten years ago) link

"They think that because they live outside of the mainstream they are somehow immune to advertising, marketing, and the other forms of mind control "the man" uses to get them to buy things"

owenf, Thursday, 22 September 2011 19:37 (ten years ago) link

like collagen

zvookster, Thursday, 22 September 2011 19:38 (ten years ago) link

"the man" is always trying to sell me collagen. I can't take it anymore. I'm going off grid.

owenf, Thursday, 22 September 2011 19:45 (ten years ago) link

Found out she's performing in Amsterdam on November 10th. Got all excited till I realised I will be here already.

THANKS A LOT ÓWEN P!

;)

'Main Shop of Love' Gigolo (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 23 September 2011 07:18 (ten years ago) link

huge missed opportunity to have Final Fantasy guest strings on Video Games.

My hetfield very root with me what can I lou? (rustic italian flatbread), Friday, 23 September 2011 11:15 (ten years ago) link

might regret posting this but here's our remix of VG - as far as i can tell it's the first *proper* remix of her to come out (by proper i mean not just a youtube rip with dubstep wub or trance squeals slapped on top)

http://soundcloud.com/clubclique/lana-del-rey-video-games-club

NI, Friday, 23 September 2011 11:54 (ten years ago) link

Nice!

My hetfield very root with me what can I lou? (rustic italian flatbread), Friday, 23 September 2011 12:15 (ten years ago) link

Oohh yeah I like that!

'Main Shop of Love' Gigolo (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 23 September 2011 12:29 (ten years ago) link

Oh, no. The song's supposed to be melancholy and lonely, and they've overcrowded it and made it peppy. And she isn't singing with a strong voice in this song, so it gets overwhelmed by all the noise around it.

thinveneer, Friday, 23 September 2011 12:35 (ten years ago) link

glad some people like it! cheers.

piscesx, Friday, 23 September 2011 12:54 (ten years ago) link

Sorry - I didn't mean to be so blunt! We might have been approaching the song from different perspectives.

thinveneer, Friday, 23 September 2011 12:58 (ten years ago) link

I think disco has probably been guilty of this crime before. : )

My hetfield very root with me what can I lou? (rustic italian flatbread), Friday, 23 September 2011 13:01 (ten years ago) link

Lonely bittersweet vocals over bouncy disco is one of the greatest sounds in popular music though.

Matt DC, Friday, 23 September 2011 13:11 (ten years ago) link

Good, sensitive remix. The chord changes on this song still slay me every time.

Science, you guys. Science. (DL), Friday, 23 September 2011 13:21 (ten years ago) link

I think I see thinveneer's point, but "The song's supposed to be melancholy and lonely"; yes, and that's why there's the original song. A/this remix doesn't have to follow this same road though does it?

'Main Shop of Love' Gigolo (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 23 September 2011 13:23 (ten years ago) link

Remixes should definitely be free to produce a different feel of the song (that's the point), and I like it when it's done well. I'm not totally dumping on this - I just think the balance is slightly off, and therefore we lose her the depressive quality in her vocals. She's hurting, and it doesn't come through.

thinveneer, Friday, 23 September 2011 13:34 (ten years ago) link

that should be: "lose the depressive quality"

thinveneer, Friday, 23 September 2011 13:37 (ten years ago) link

yeah, sweet chords and melody too, but my favourite part is when the audio from the video clips bleeds through. that's really powerful, not sure why....

m0stlyClean, Friday, 23 September 2011 17:08 (ten years ago) link

i sorta hope that when this gets a real release those extra audio clips are still on it

banana mogul (goole), Friday, 23 September 2011 17:12 (ten years ago) link

yeah, me too. not sure it would have the same impact though. especially if you'd never seen the vid.

vid's back up btw, different link than at top of thread. don't tell monsieur bouchard....

m0stlyClean, Friday, 23 September 2011 17:28 (ten years ago) link

that remix is like 1 million times better than the original, good job!

the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 23 September 2011 17:35 (ten years ago) link

Expected to hate the remix but yeah man, this rules.

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Friday, 23 September 2011 17:54 (ten years ago) link

cheers! some nice comments here, thanks a lot everyone. just spent an age reswizzling and syncing our version with her video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCo9o2b17nA

(my aim wasn't to spam but it's hovering just outside hype machine's top 20 at the moment, spare a couple of longtime ilx bros a heart if you've got a sec: http://hypem.com/#!/popular )

NI, Friday, 23 September 2011 17:55 (ten years ago) link

yeah, that is an epic remix

hardcore oatmeal (Jordan), Friday, 23 September 2011 18:01 (ten years ago) link

she says "gaaymes' just like chad warden

the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 23 September 2011 18:08 (ten years ago) link

#pstriple

the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 23 September 2011 18:09 (ten years ago) link

Oh, I like it so much more with the video! I didn't feel her presence enough in just the remix. I felt her voice got lost and therefore what she was trying to emote was lost as well, but seeing her solves that.

thinveneer, Friday, 23 September 2011 18:18 (ten years ago) link

I really like the original but the remix takes it to a different level. Great work.

A little bit like Peter Crouch but with more mobility (ShariVari), Friday, 23 September 2011 18:33 (ten years ago) link

myself and NI have been hypreventilating slightly this weekend as we've watched it climb from the 20s to the teens into the Top 5 on Hype's chart. currently standing at number 4 with only Benny Benassi's Florence remix, the new Rihanna and some joker called 'Dirtyphonics' stood in the way.

piscesx, Sunday, 25 September 2011 20:38 (ten years ago) link

A+ work on that remix, your remix of "rill rill" is also really something

everything should be disco

mutant slow drum (BradNelson), Sunday, 25 September 2011 22:13 (ten years ago) link

great remix. Got a heart from me. Congrats!

owenf, Sunday, 25 September 2011 22:45 (ten years ago) link

love that clique remix! love how it's the opposite of "brings out the inner melancholy of this pop song", it's a reminder that beneath the surface melancholy of "video games" is a pretty romantic, blissed-out song

lex pretend, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 15:49 (ten years ago) link

hey thanks gang! we ended up number 3 on Hype Machine behind Rihanna and Florence just before the traditional 3 day expiry/ get-kicked-off point. cruel but fair. we've just finished a remix for Blue Jeans which i think is incredible.

piscesx, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 16:04 (ten years ago) link

omg just heard the remix: it's GREAT !

StanM, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 16:25 (ten years ago) link

Rhythmically speaking, I'm not quite sure that Lana's vocals are quite right for a disco track, but that's not the remix's fault, far from it.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 16:27 (ten years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHh6Urc3YfY&eurl

Michael B, Tuesday, 4 October 2011 22:48 (ten years ago) link

ugh... wtf

Young Swell (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 4 October 2011 22:57 (ten years ago) link

yeah sorry its dumb

Michael B, Tuesday, 4 October 2011 23:01 (ten years ago) link

Funny.

StanM, Tuesday, 4 October 2011 23:10 (ten years ago) link

know one talking abt HRO's #shots @ nabisco

dangobro (D-40), Tuesday, 4 October 2011 23:25 (ten years ago) link

oh god who would ever

kelpolaris, Wednesday, 5 October 2011 03:49 (ten years ago) link

http://soundcloud.com/woon/lana-del-rey-video-games-jamie (woon)

jaxon, Sunday, 9 October 2011 05:39 (ten years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gF7MV4zVPKI

piscesx, Tuesday, 11 October 2011 21:15 (ten years ago) link

That's... unimpressive.

Young Swell (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 11 October 2011 21:19 (ten years ago) link

yo i herd you like the bad girls honey
so i put the bad in your girl so you can bad while you girl

banana mogul (goole), Tuesday, 11 October 2011 21:19 (ten years ago) link

my Twitter feed has just exploded because she was on Jools Holland in the UK. according to Pop Justce, the Video Games/Blue Jeans EP has been Top 5 on iTunes in the states by all accounts, and number 1 in France and Ireland.

piscesx, Tuesday, 11 October 2011 21:43 (ten years ago) link

she just eye fucked me

owenf, Tuesday, 11 October 2011 21:45 (ten years ago) link

through the camera

owenf, Tuesday, 11 October 2011 21:45 (ten years ago) link

otm

Young Swell (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 11 October 2011 22:03 (ten years ago) link

Is it just me, or was that performance really, really awful? The way she slips in and out of the cooing voice and the, erm, adventurous approach to the song's melody...I love this song more than anything, but this performance...yikes.

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Wednesday, 12 October 2011 06:28 (ten years ago) link

^otm (for me, at least). Idk, it all seemed a little "stiff" perhaps? Also really got a "singer playing a singer singing" feel from it. And I genuinely love that song too.

unpredictable johnny rodz, Wednesday, 12 October 2011 06:31 (ten years ago) link

don draper:his new fiance::indie rock critics:lana del rey

The boyboy young jess (D-40), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 06:50 (ten years ago) link

teeth:lips in that analogy.

based grandpa (noz), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 07:39 (ten years ago) link

Yeah, her voice seemed so shakey/weak at times....

I'm not going leftfield on you... (hypehat), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 08:45 (ten years ago) link

yo i herd you like the bad girls honey
so i put the bad in your girl so you can bad while you girl

― banana mogul (goole), Tuesday, 11 October 2011 22:19 (Yesterday) Bookmark

roffle

r|t|c, Wednesday, 12 October 2011 11:22 (ten years ago) link

i like stevie's "moodboard pop" coinage a lot

personally find it kinda boring how crepes will react to even the most obvious thing on that moodboard

the plastic surgery is probably my fave bit, like la confidential right?

super special ilm hypocrisy ts: ldr vs teh weeknd

r|t|c, Wednesday, 12 October 2011 11:26 (ten years ago) link

What is the teh-dream to ldr's teh weeknd in that controversial analogy?

Tim F, Wednesday, 12 October 2011 13:47 (ten years ago) link

actual nancy sinatra?

lex pretend, Wednesday, 12 October 2011 13:54 (ten years ago) link

Videogames should've used anime footage instead of Google Video nostalgia.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 19:08 (ten years ago) link

Aw she was just nervous!

I'm sort of surprised at how unpoised she looked, actually. Shifting from foot to foot like a high school drama club hopeful. Thought her voice was great.

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 13 October 2011 12:45 (ten years ago) link

mm me too. it was her live tv debut on the biggest music show in the country so i mean nerves? yeah you'd probably expect that.

piscesx, Thursday, 13 October 2011 13:09 (ten years ago) link

If it were Pop Idol the judges would be like, good stuff but you gotta OWN THE STAGE.. but well, it's kind of nice to see somebody who isn't just full-on and brash and cockily sashaying around, straight out the gate

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 13 October 2011 16:36 (ten years ago) link

Kind of think nervous girl behind huge hair/lashes/lips is part of the LDR "shtick".

Stevie T, Thursday, 13 October 2011 16:42 (ten years ago) link

haha well i guess it's workin on me

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 13 October 2011 16:50 (ten years ago) link

Man, she comes across totally unpolished in interviews, and I love her all the more for it.
At this point, I can't decide if she's going to blow up in a huge, huuuuge way or if she's just gonna be one of those quirky pop divas beloved by a large if not psychotic number of people.

SirGreendown, Friday, 21 October 2011 04:45 (ten years ago) link

I definitely see her being bigger in Europe than she will be in the States...there's something a little off about her that will keep her from being massive here (assuming her record company/PR team don't flatten all of her quirks).

SirGreendown, Friday, 21 October 2011 04:46 (ten years ago) link

single was Top 5 in U.S. iTunes chart last week apparently. supposedly headed for the actual Top 10 over here also.

piscesx, Friday, 21 October 2011 06:09 (ten years ago) link

the ep was top 5 in the itunes albums list i believe, i don't think the track itself has popped up on the singles list. i also think she will be bigger in europe (in the uk certainly things are looking good)

teledyldonix, Friday, 21 October 2011 06:39 (ten years ago) link

I'm very late with this but Club Clique's remix is fantastic as is their remix of the B-side.

Conan The Asshander (Doran), Friday, 21 October 2011 08:23 (ten years ago) link

i hate to say it but i think a not-insignificant part of the success of "video games" is the fact that the title has a tech angle to it

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 21 October 2011 09:19 (ten years ago) link

because it's intriguing and generates youtube views?

i think the song is all about the chorus

niels, Friday, 21 October 2011 13:51 (ten years ago) link

top 10 with a bullet in the UK!

piscesx, Monday, 24 October 2011 05:27 (ten years ago) link

y'all are being awfully apologetic towards a singer who's supposed to be next great white-girl-what-sings-like-a-black-girl savior

Waxahachie Swap (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Monday, 24 October 2011 05:37 (ten years ago) link

lord

markers, Monday, 24 October 2011 06:03 (ten years ago) link

Jimmy Jimmy... who says she's supposed to sound black? what black singer does she sound like? i mean... to me she sounds like iris dement and jimmie dale gilmore had an asthmatic child, but in a good way

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 24 October 2011 11:21 (ten years ago) link

Is she supposed to sound black? News to me! Performing on "Later" she looked really really nervous.

Juice Should Be Sterliized (Tom D.), Monday, 24 October 2011 11:24 (ten years ago) link

Oh great. As if the arguments over this girl weren't boring enough, now we've inserted white guilt.

unskinny blap (edwardo), Monday, 24 October 2011 12:46 (ten years ago) link

Or black pride, depending how you look at it.

Pride != slamming a singer for sounding like "you" if you happen to be black.

unskinny blap (edwardo), Monday, 24 October 2011 13:05 (ten years ago) link

(also, lots of people throwing around this accusation do happen to be white)

unskinny blap (edwardo), Monday, 24 October 2011 13:06 (ten years ago) link

edwardo, my post was completely not coming from a position of even being remotely serious.

I did think you were being somewhat flippant, but, y'know, even more backwards stances find fruit on here so you can never tell.

unskinny blap (edwardo), Monday, 24 October 2011 13:22 (ten years ago) link

Could see Marianne Faithfull, even now, covering Video Games.

waylon flowers and muammar gaddafi (Eazy), Monday, 24 October 2011 13:26 (ten years ago) link

video games: more 6th form music tech college music, pretty song, awful production. has a similar innocent "this is the first good song i wrote" vibe what that xx album had

would like to hear erykah badu do a wink wink cover in the style of i'm the one era annette peacock

Crackle Box, Monday, 24 October 2011 13:39 (ten years ago) link

mr fingers remix is the most tossed off thing ever, vocal phrasing is hilarious

Crackle Box, Monday, 24 October 2011 13:40 (ten years ago) link

interscope

rustic italian flatbread, Friday, 28 October 2011 17:24 (ten years ago) link

"peace out, indiesphere! i'll be over here getting some of that drug-runner money!"

rustic italian flatbread, Friday, 28 October 2011 17:25 (ten years ago) link

Iovine probably had her and Tyler in for a meeting two years back and went "Got a plan."

Ned Raggett, Friday, 28 October 2011 17:25 (ten years ago) link

i didn't really think of her as 'indie'

goole, Friday, 28 October 2011 18:04 (ten years ago) link

Me neither - in the British sense at least - but there was a lot of discussion/promotion/hype on indie blogs.

rustic italian flatbread, Friday, 28 October 2011 18:09 (ten years ago) link

73% of all indie blogs are written by virgins

Mr. Que, Friday, 28 October 2011 18:13 (ten years ago) link

'Blue Jeans' reminds me of something but I can't put my finger on it.

Muammar for the road (Michael White), Friday, 28 October 2011 18:14 (ten years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wv-34w8kGPM

?

goole, Friday, 28 October 2011 18:17 (ten years ago) link

blue jeans = wicked games

bene_gesserit, Friday, 28 October 2011 19:24 (ten years ago) link

or, wicked game. whatever the chris isaac song is called.

bene_gesserit, Friday, 28 October 2011 19:24 (ten years ago) link

Plus she channels some kind of Kate Bush and Gwen Stefani thing

Muammar for the road (Michael White), Friday, 28 October 2011 19:38 (ten years ago) link

Ooof that Jools performance was a disaster.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 28 October 2011 20:28 (ten years ago) link

I guess it doesn't help when you build yourself up as a "Gangsta Nancy Sinatra" but I expected a little more self-confidence and less "Someone please get this poor lady off the stage before she pisses herself in fear".

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 28 October 2011 20:29 (ten years ago) link

nancy sinatra was already the gangsta nancy sinatra

i don't know who "built her up" as that though? whoever it was they had the wrong end of the stick

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 28 October 2011 21:42 (ten years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwL7f57cDJY&feature=related

Of course it's not her TV debut, which I would expect an artist to be nervous but I rather hear this type of voice on the Jools show than the shtick she is doing with it now.

Tired of these edcuated basic bitches. (lilsoulbrother), Friday, 28 October 2011 21:45 (ten years ago) link

nancy sinatra was already the gangsta nancy sinatra

OTM

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 28 October 2011 21:58 (ten years ago) link

i don't know who "built her up" as that though? whoever it was they had the wrong end of the stick

― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, October 28, 2011 4:42 PM (17 minutes ago) Bookmark

she said it herself iirc!

goole, Friday, 28 October 2011 22:00 (ten years ago) link

The thing that annoys me is picking two cultural signifiers of cool and self-empowerment to describe someone who lacks the metaphorical balls to sing on TV. Maybe she's so obsessed with fame that she psyched herself out because OMG TV.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 28 October 2011 22:01 (ten years ago) link

haha she totally has the wrong end of her own stick!!

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 28 October 2011 22:42 (ten years ago) link

At least I don't have to read "think" pieces about Zooey Deschanel suckiness anymore - the bloggerati have moved on to hating Lana!

In all seriousness, I saw her sing "Video Games" at a concert on YouTube and she sounded great - much better than her Jools Holland performance. Not getting all the hate this woman's receiving (and don't try to explain to me - believe me, I've read the blog posts, blog comments, think pieces and all the other BS surrounding her. And I still. Don't. Get. It.).

SirGreendown, Friday, 28 October 2011 23:42 (ten years ago) link

I've not read any hate. Show me the hate. It is a great pop song.

kraudive, Friday, 28 October 2011 23:47 (ten years ago) link

i hate the song "video games"

the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 28 October 2011 23:51 (ten years ago) link

No. You don't.

kraudive, Friday, 28 October 2011 23:53 (ten years ago) link

Hate is only a word used for Robbie Williams songs.

kraudive, Friday, 28 October 2011 23:55 (ten years ago) link

Should clarify: hate is probably a strong word. I'd say an irrational dislike and an all-too-eager willingness to deconstruct/theorize on her persona and use it as a symbol for a bunch of random concepts that I don't know have too much to do with Lana.

A friend and I were discussing this, and we think she pisses people off because she gained prominence on the web through "indie" (God, I hate that word as a descriptor) blogs and when people found out she had help from a prominent PR company and toys with her image/sex appeal they felt they had been duped to believe she was some "authentic" (hate that word too) indie musician and really they all fell for the same marketing ploys that non-indie music consumers do.

SirGreendown, Saturday, 29 October 2011 00:39 (ten years ago) link

grrrr read the damn thread we went over all this shit

bernard snowy, Saturday, 29 October 2011 02:24 (ten years ago) link

until she puts out an album and pitchfork reviews it, and/or her song suddenly rockets up the charts into 'ubiquitous pop hit' status, who cares

bernard snowy, Saturday, 29 October 2011 02:26 (ten years ago) link

""authentic" (hate that word too) indie musician"

is bullshit pretty much most of the time anyway. Don't see the problem.

owenf, Saturday, 29 October 2011 03:48 (ten years ago) link

That stuff doesn't bother me as much as the fact that I feel she is getting massive undeserved coverage because music journos need something to write about. She's very lucky, very much in the right place at the right time. The post-buzzocalypse.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 29 October 2011 04:18 (ten years ago) link

Song is pretty, but mediocre. I could hear it in a car commercial. Her mythos is a goldmine though, but for reasons I care little about.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 29 October 2011 04:19 (ten years ago) link

Music writers writing about music writers writing about music.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 29 October 2011 04:21 (ten years ago) link

it's self-regarding nonsense of course but our Video Games remix is the most popular on the old
Hype Machine. take that Woon, Blake et al..

http://hypem.com/search/lana%20rey/1/?sortby=fav

piscesx, Saturday, 29 October 2011 04:34 (ten years ago) link

Deservedly so! Are you remixing any more of her stuff?

Mohombi Khush Hua (ShariVari), Saturday, 29 October 2011 05:35 (ten years ago) link

1. Lana Del Rey - Video Games (Joy Orbison Remix) (4:59)
2. Kimbra - Cameo Lover (GLOVES Remix) (4:38)
3. Cleo Sol - High (Artful Dub) (5:39)
4. Yasmin - Finish Line (Mike Delinquent Project Remix) (4:28)
5. Artful Feat. Kal Lavelle - Could Just Be The Bassline (Dreem teem remix) (5:43)
6. Natalie May - Clothes Off (3:25)
7. Major Lazer - Baby (Figure Remix) (4:07)
8. RD - Got Me Burnin' (MK Remix) (5:33)
9. Yasmin Ft. Ms. Dynamite - Light Up The World (3:32)
10. Katy B - Witches Brew (5:10)
11. Lana Del Rey - Blue Jeans (Penguin Prison Remix) (5:37)
12. Guido - Beautiful Complication (feat Aarya) (3:56)
13. Jess Mills - Live For What I d Die For (Distance Remix) (5:12)
14. Pandr Eyez - Eyes On You (3:56)
15. Jessie Ware - Strangest Feeling (3:41)
16. Goapele - Play (3:45)
17. Delilah - Go (3:46)
18. Gotye feat. Kimbra - Somebody That I Used To Know (Bibio remix) (4:55)

works for me...

you want fries with that (flame grilled meat), Saturday, 29 October 2011 10:47 (ten years ago) link

i checked what this was assuming i'd heard it already, and i had.

it is crap.

When a German communicates, you listen (LocalGarda), Saturday, 29 October 2011 11:03 (ten years ago) link

xxp yeah we've done Blue Jeans too, should be available soonish.

piscesx, Saturday, 29 October 2011 11:48 (ten years ago) link

cracking tonight on the first date of her tour. opening track was a barnstormer.
oh and here's the latest from us

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6CnIUYjpqw

piscesx, Saturday, 5 November 2011 05:19 (ten years ago) link

Was disappointed that the picture disc single I pre-ordered did not arrive signed, as the first thousand or something were supposed to be. I ordered that shit within minutes of the announcement. Oh well. I still love this song unreasonably, and I guess if it DID come signed, I'd be less "cool, let's jam it again" and more "hmmmm future eBay fodder."

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Saturday, 5 November 2011 16:31 (ten years ago) link

guy at the gig last night selling pic discs for a tenner outside, saying that ebay has em going for upwards of 20 quid already.

piscesx, Saturday, 5 November 2011 19:45 (ten years ago) link

yeah incredible gig by her the other night. proud that she started the whole thing off in manchester. you can downloaded our blue jeans remix here and if you like it then you could put a heart on it here

NI, Tuesday, 8 November 2011 03:03 (ten years ago) link

she's playing at the troubadour in december! and it's sold out! and scalpers have tickets for $300!

vilanch dubois (get bent), Tuesday, 8 November 2011 18:04 (ten years ago) link

best of the new songs imo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-X87wQ_AT8

piscesx, Wednesday, 9 November 2011 09:29 (ten years ago) link

LOL

Do you know what the secret of comity is? (Michael White), Wednesday, 9 November 2011 17:32 (ten years ago) link

haha

buzza, Wednesday, 9 November 2011 17:34 (ten years ago) link

^_^

Y Kant Lou Reed (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 9 November 2011 17:38 (ten years ago) link

http://vimeo.com/31464706

cover^4

bamcquern, Thursday, 10 November 2011 01:50 (ten years ago) link

Hate is only a word used for Robbie Williams songs.

― kraudive, 29. oktober 2011 00:55 (1 week ago)

hehe no way, name a bad rw songlol :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVaRHJn_dgM

hehe

niels, Friday, 11 November 2011 17:59 (ten years ago) link

I abdolutely love the song. Really fun

Nathalie (stevienixed), Saturday, 12 November 2011 18:20 (ten years ago) link

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/She%27s_the_One_%28World_Party_song%29

Williams featured in a campy and tongue-in-cheek music video where he was a figure skater. In the video he performs a backflip, which is actually illegal in competitive figure skating.

The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Saturday, 12 November 2011 18:40 (ten years ago) link

is this for real?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=MYKESdOCTqU#!

cuteforce, Monday, 14 November 2011 02:38 (ten years ago) link

sorry:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYKESdOCTqU

cuteforce, Monday, 14 November 2011 02:38 (ten years ago) link

one month passes...

gone mental innit? a Q cover after 1 single is certainly a first.
slow month mind.

piscesx, Thursday, 5 January 2012 05:24 (ten years ago) link

she has an album coming out this month.

⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 5 January 2012 22:15 (ten years ago) link

and like 100 songs on the internet.

⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 5 January 2012 22:16 (ten years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ve_3yuNPRNc

markers, Thursday, 5 January 2012 22:18 (ten years ago) link

the opening to this thread is hilarious

thomp, Thursday, 5 January 2012 22:39 (ten years ago) link

i feel bad about being the person to note this, given that generally i wish ilm could use more enthusiasm, but come on

thomp, Thursday, 5 January 2012 22:40 (ten years ago) link

perpetua was tweeting today about how a co-worker heard him listening to the forthcoming album and asked him if it was Britney Spears and how ppl's heads would be exploding if this actually was the new britney album

but those tweets are deleted now which is kind of weird

⚓ (gr8080), Friday, 6 January 2012 00:23 (ten years ago) link

Ace

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=7XLHFiGauDY

piscesx, Friday, 6 January 2012 00:56 (ten years ago) link

Lana better watch out she doesn't get run over by This Train: http://chrystabell.com/

WATERMELON MAYNE aka the seed driver (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 6 January 2012 02:19 (ten years ago) link

she has an album coming out this month.

― ⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 5 January 2012 22:15 (Yesterday)

and like 100 songs on the internet.

― ⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 5 January 2012 22:16 (Yesterday)

Dude this is Q we're talking about, they don't put you on the cover unless you're on at least yr second album and have sold millions of records and are about as safe a prospect as you can get.

Matt DC, Friday, 6 January 2012 10:43 (ten years ago) link

They've not even given her a something-for-the-dads type cover as is occasionally their wont.

Matt DC, Friday, 6 January 2012 10:45 (ten years ago) link

the opening to this thread is hilarious

― thomp, Thursday, 5 January 2012 23:39 (Yesterday) Bookmark

Ha! Better to have loved and lost than etc ;)

I certainly wouldn't have, but hey. (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 6 January 2012 11:04 (ten years ago) link

Loved 'Video Games' and 'Blue Jeans' but then didn't pay attention to anything about her for 5 months. Just clicked the link to 'Off To The Races' that picesx posted and am now v excited for the album!

pandemic, Friday, 6 January 2012 11:27 (ten years ago) link

it's a p weird song

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 6 January 2012 11:40 (ten years ago) link

Entirely unmoved and underwhelmed by 'Off To The Races'.

I certainly wouldn't have, but hey. (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 6 January 2012 12:13 (ten years ago) link

then of course there's
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bag1gUxuU0g

piscesx, Friday, 6 January 2012 12:19 (ten years ago) link

i heard her on radio 2 in my dads car. Not my kind of thing - ultra tasteful. My parents who like Subo thought she was great though. So shes gonna be huuuuuuuuuuge.

Jimmy Riddle Orchestra (Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker), Friday, 6 January 2012 12:24 (ten years ago) link

Your parents are the world's tastemakers.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 6 January 2012 14:50 (ten years ago) link

scary thought

Jimmy Riddle Orchestra (Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker), Friday, 6 January 2012 15:01 (ten years ago) link

I love her delivery on "Blue Jeans" and "Video Games"
Everything else? She's behind the beat, like she's just been taught the song that morning.

gord downer (Ówen P.), Friday, 6 January 2012 15:33 (ten years ago) link

You need to have a pretty ballsy performance to float a line like "He loves me / with every beat of his cocaine heart"

gord downer (Ówen P.), Friday, 6 January 2012 15:34 (ten years ago) link

best yet maybe

http://vimeo.com/34628944

piscesx, Saturday, 7 January 2012 09:14 (ten years ago) link

Oh lord that is now firmly stuck in my head.

scottfree, Tuesday, 10 January 2012 01:38 (ten years ago) link

The lesson for Del Rey and Band of Horses is clear

markers, Tuesday, 10 January 2012 16:40 (ten years ago) link

vimeo deleted! what was it?

goole, Tuesday, 10 January 2012 18:08 (ten years ago) link

it was this (w/ a diff photo of her)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGy6L4ol9OM

⚓ (gr8080), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 18:19 (ten years ago) link

yeah terrible quality these and she's said the final versions will be very different from the leaks.

piscesx, Tuesday, 10 January 2012 18:22 (ten years ago) link

but yeah TUNE!
hasn't made a bad track yet bless her. the stretching of 'ovati-oo-n' is brilliant.

piscesx, Tuesday, 10 January 2012 18:24 (ten years ago) link

ehhh not so into it

iatee, Tuesday, 10 January 2012 18:26 (ten years ago) link

I like National Anthem well enough.

Do you know what the secret of comity is? (Michael White), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 18:31 (ten years ago) link

hasn't made a bad track yet bless her

Hmm, this opinion of her recorded material to date perplexes me. Outside of 'Video Games,' every track seems like a half-baked idea or formless demo to me.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 10 January 2012 19:03 (ten years ago) link

we were drunk the other night, and we listened to a few besides "video games" and i was like, this is good.

thought it might not be the case, but it was, at least at the time.

surm, Tuesday, 10 January 2012 19:05 (ten years ago) link

JF otm

iatee, Tuesday, 10 January 2012 19:05 (ten years ago) link

Dunno, it all seems so empty. I like the first minute of Video Games ok but it keeps going on and I don't know why.

questino (seandalai), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 19:21 (ten years ago) link

What scares me is I liked VG and Blue Jeans but if she's going to continue solely in this vein of breathless young sexy siren pining away/smitten, the ridiculousness will overwhelm any other merit and I'll get bored.

Do you know what the secret of comity is? (Michael White), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 19:26 (ten years ago) link

i don't find it ridiculous, i find it pays homage to something, and i find any emptiness directed at the point of her sound

surm, Tuesday, 10 January 2012 19:28 (ten years ago) link

not that it matters what i think, but i find her v boring because breathless young sexy siren pining away/smitten doesn't really speak to me or my interests as a music listener. she's like fake naughty zooey deschanel.

La Lechera, Tuesday, 10 January 2012 19:29 (ten years ago) link

it totes matters!

surm, Tuesday, 10 January 2012 19:29 (ten years ago) link

She was shite on Jonathan Ross.

Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 19:36 (ten years ago) link

case closed

questino (seandalai), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 19:37 (ten years ago) link

i feel like any kind of consistent aesthetic is going to have difficulties when it runs up against jonathan ross tbh

thomp, Tuesday, 10 January 2012 19:38 (ten years ago) link

i like video games & born to die & will check out the lp

markers, Tuesday, 10 January 2012 19:39 (ten years ago) link

i'm a sucker for her betty-boop squeals in "off to the races"

⚓ (gr8080), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 19:48 (ten years ago) link

I'm assuming that "National Anthem" isn't a Radiohead cover or else the internet would've already imploded.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, 10 January 2012 20:24 (ten years ago) link

yeah i thought it might be at first but i don't think it is

markers, Tuesday, 10 January 2012 20:38 (ten years ago) link

yeah i thought it might be at first but i don't think it is

markers, Tuesday, 10 January 2012 20:38 (ten years ago) link

jinx!

surm, Tuesday, 10 January 2012 20:48 (ten years ago) link

I'd never heard (of) "Video Games" until I saw Tim F's list last week---I only kinda graze ILX & don't really read anything else online about music---& have been listening to it p obsessively since then, over & over again. I don't know what that "means" but it's a beguiling song. I don't feel much pull to dig any deeper into her work at this point, though---life's busy, & one terrific song is enough.

Euler, Tuesday, 10 January 2012 20:51 (ten years ago) link

It's all been downhill from Video Games tbh

I certainly wouldn't have, but hey. (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 20:52 (ten years ago) link

i can't listen to it that much bc it makes me cry

surm, Tuesday, 10 January 2012 20:52 (ten years ago) link

@ Euler, that obsessive listening to Video Games is something most people seem to experience. The songs after that though, eh, not so much.

I certainly wouldn't have, but hey. (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 20:52 (ten years ago) link

what would happen if jared leto and lana del rey were in a room together
think about all of the sexy dullness that would fill that room

La Lechera, Tuesday, 10 January 2012 20:54 (ten years ago) link

this is kind of over-thought and obvious at the same time but i enjoyed reading it:

http://pitchfork.com/features/resonant-frequency/8713-this-is-me-music-making-as-re-blog/

⚓ (gr8080), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 20:55 (ten years ago) link

i heard video games on the radio the other day for the first time and it kind of floored me enough to stick on the station and find out who it was; that never happens anymore.

that born to die video is great. even though she kind of has evan rachel wood crazy eyes.

akm, Wednesday, 11 January 2012 06:17 (ten years ago) link

born to die video is p cool except for tattoo guy making me want to barf

⚓ (gr8080), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 06:28 (ten years ago) link

Saw a photo of her yesterday and her lips often really freak me out. Every time I see her doing a shakey version of VG it seems like she's trying her best not to open her mouth too much because she's just got an injection or something.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 17:24 (ten years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/xxzMm.png

⚓ (gr8080), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 20:26 (ten years ago) link

national anthem co-written by david sneddon!

glumdalclitch, Wednesday, 11 January 2012 21:08 (ten years ago) link

sneddon's music production team is called "the nexus"? wonder what *that's* ripping off.

my copy has boobs (get bent), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 21:50 (ten years ago) link

She seems like a nice lady:

http://www.vh1.com/music/tuner/?p=200822

polyphonic, Thursday, 12 January 2012 18:09 (ten years ago) link

She comes across as far more endearing in the videos than vampy. Interesting.

Do you know what the secret of comity is? (Michael White), Thursday, 12 January 2012 18:31 (ten years ago) link

Her face is disturbing.

billstevejim, Thursday, 12 January 2012 20:00 (ten years ago) link

Agree that she "seems nice" though. I like her more now that I've heard her accent.

billstevejim, Thursday, 12 January 2012 20:10 (ten years ago) link

i heard video games on the radio the other day for the first time

What kind of station was it? i.e., is she actually getting commercial airplay?

Bon Ivoj (jaymc), Thursday, 12 January 2012 20:13 (ten years ago) link

it's apparently on the pop charts in a whole bunch of countries, although in America it's only been on a singles sales chart so far.

finally heard this stupid song when MTV2 started playing the video -- lol @ gr8080's fav facial reconstruction surgery casualty having a cameo

some dude, Thursday, 12 January 2012 20:18 (ten years ago) link

She seems like a nice lady:

http://www.vh1.com/music/tuner/?p=200822

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Tags: #HaterWars, Authenticity, Paz De La Huerta, saturday night live, SNL, Twitter, Lana Del Rey

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Thursday, 12 January 2012 20:19 (ten years ago) link

What kind of station was it? i.e., is she actually getting commercial airplay?

― Bon Ivoj (jaymc),

radio 2. the uk's most listened to radio station + the prime minister is a fan

Jimmy Riddle Orchestra (Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker), Thursday, 12 January 2012 20:22 (ten years ago) link

MTV-U plays this thing constantly... I fall asleep to that channel sometimes, and my cable box "times out" after 6-7 hours or so and freezes on an image (I'm guessing that happens often with channels that aren't viewed as often within a given node)...

So the moral of the story is, a few weeks ago I woke up to a frozen image of this chick on my TV and it weirded me out

billstevejim, Thursday, 12 January 2012 20:23 (ten years ago) link

you kids and your terms for boners

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Thursday, 12 January 2012 20:26 (ten years ago) link

she's like fake naughty zooey deschanel.

see, I am interested in this because I wish zooey's public persona was all an elaborate act and would find her more intriguing if I felt that was the case

like she goes home and just orders pizza from dominos and listens to old Tool albums or something when she's out of the public eye

I'm putty emphasis on:
fake "naughty zooey deschanel"

If you meant it as
"fake naughty" zooey deschanel
then I am not with you

mh, Thursday, 12 January 2012 20:42 (ten years ago) link

fake, naughty, zooey, deschanel, music

goole, Thursday, 12 January 2012 20:43 (ten years ago) link

What kind of station was it? i.e., is she actually getting commercial airplay?

it was KFOG in the bay area, which is 'classic rock', oddly enough.

akm, Thursday, 12 January 2012 20:43 (ten years ago) link

kcrw (l.a.'s npr station; pretty influential in yuppie circles) has been playing "video games." not constantly, but it is getting airplay.

my copy has boobs (get bent), Thursday, 12 January 2012 20:48 (ten years ago) link

"classic rock" isn't a good descriptor for KFOG. They do "adult album alternative, an eclectic variety of blues, reggae, folk, pop, and rock music from the mid-1960s to the present" ... meaning that it an easy listening station imo

polyphonic, Thursday, 12 January 2012 20:56 (ten years ago) link

I'm putty emphasis on:
fake "naughty zooey deschanel"

If you meant it as
"fake naughty" zooey deschanel
then I am not with you

i'm not really sure how i meant it, but your analysis is interesting
they both have "endearing" qualities and have been described as such (and reviled for it, too), and honestly i don't even really know what that means when people say it

La Lechera, Thursday, 12 January 2012 21:07 (ten years ago) link

I kind of like the couple Lana Del Rey songs I've heard in a way

I will openly admit to have never heard a full Zooey song, or if I have heard one, I have not realized it was her.

mh, Thursday, 12 January 2012 22:07 (ten years ago) link

blue jeans is good too. very kate bush in delivery if not content. my wife predictably hates all of these songs.

akm, Thursday, 12 January 2012 22:10 (ten years ago) link

those vh1 clips are very endearing

⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 12 January 2012 22:25 (ten years ago) link

is "endearing" our new "annoying?" I can't watch them at work.

mh, Thursday, 12 January 2012 22:25 (ten years ago) link

i only watched one of them so far but i liked her

markers, Thursday, 12 January 2012 22:26 (ten years ago) link

the writeup is a little annoying in its "you'd think this girl would be super nervous but she was totally shill!" tone

⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 12 January 2012 22:27 (ten years ago) link

In her songs she comes across as a star-crossed lover mixed with a kind of breathy young thing; she's selling a lot of sex and lot of young love angst. In the videos above, she comes across as funny and a bit goofy and self-aware enough to be a little bit self-deprecating. I really mean endearing 'cause everything I'd seen her in before was in her shy nymph persona with a slightly squeaky voice and was not so endearing.

Do you know what the secret of comity is? (Michael White), Thursday, 12 January 2012 22:31 (ten years ago) link

and I mean "annoying" in our "really means ws but I don't want my girlfriend to know" way

mh, Thursday, 12 January 2012 22:32 (ten years ago) link

lol

markers, Thursday, 12 January 2012 22:34 (ten years ago) link

i meant "endearing" as "made her more likable to me"

⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 12 January 2012 23:52 (ten years ago) link

I guess that is a valid use of the word that is sanctioned by merriam-webster's

kind of getting turned on by my zooey + dominos + out of character music listening idea upthread

mh, Friday, 13 January 2012 00:15 (ten years ago) link

lana del rey is at home right now with no makeup, an unironic oversized "ride the lightning" era metallica t-shirt and is eating papa john's and drinking some miller lites

mh, Friday, 13 January 2012 00:16 (ten years ago) link

wishful thinking

La Lechera, Friday, 13 January 2012 00:19 (ten years ago) link

brb starting a fanfic erotica site

mh, Friday, 13 January 2012 00:23 (ten years ago) link

Yeah, too long for a facebook status...xpost

Mark G, Friday, 13 January 2012 00:24 (ten years ago) link

Zooey can't eat Dominoes, brings back too many painful memories.

Gibbard says that he realized he needed to change after a particular bender with a friend in Big Sur, CA. "It was so stereotypically my own little Kerouac Big Sur weekend," Gibbard says. "And I remember being on the flight home, going, 'You know what? I really have to do something about this. This has really gotten out of control. But I have a friend's birthday tonight, and I need to go out and have a beer with him.' Cut to three in the morning, five beers and five shots in, eating a pizza. I woke up the next morning and I was like, 'That's it. I'm done. I have lost the ability to control this.'"

Number None, Friday, 13 January 2012 02:20 (ten years ago) link

it's hilarious how he's such a self-conscious wuss that THAT'S his dramatic rock bottom anecdote

lame adele rey (some dude), Friday, 13 January 2012 02:27 (ten years ago) link

She divorced that dude, she'll eat pizza and do shots on his grave

mh, Friday, 13 January 2012 02:54 (ten years ago) link

Hah some dude OTM. What a wuss.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 13 January 2012 03:14 (ten years ago) link

xpost qual post

markers, Friday, 13 January 2012 03:21 (ten years ago) link

tbf if i did five beers and five shots these days i would probably actually be dead the next morning so props to that guy

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 13 January 2012 09:26 (ten years ago) link

yeah radio is battering it over here, she's basically massive already; Top 10 hit, prime time Saturday night TV, Q cover, BRIT nomination. there was even a big piece in the Daily Mail this week.

i'm guessing 'Billboard' is a big magazine in the States?
http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/393552_307191255989998_117713628271096_793739_1063308823_n.jpg

piscesx, Friday, 13 January 2012 09:47 (ten years ago) link

That's Bilbard.

Mark G, Friday, 13 January 2012 09:55 (ten years ago) link

The magazine for olde tyme minstrels

Number None, Friday, 13 January 2012 11:30 (ten years ago) link

Forsooth, "Magic Lantern Games" 'tis an excellent air

Then in walked Barbara Castle with the Lady Eleanor (Tom D.), Friday, 13 January 2012 11:41 (ten years ago) link

although the one about concentrating on ye football at the expense of archery practice, is somewhat traditional in outlook..

Mark G, Friday, 13 January 2012 11:43 (ten years ago) link

(I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not, Piscesx, but Billboard isn't a big magazine at all - it's a trade publication, like Daily Variety is for Hollywood)

Walter Galt, Friday, 13 January 2012 14:48 (ten years ago) link

yeah Billboard basically exists to chart music sales/airplay, although lately they've gotten more into putting new artists on the cover that haven't had much of that kind of success (Odd Future before they had really been on a single chart last year, etc.)

lame adele rey (some dude), Friday, 13 January 2012 14:55 (ten years ago) link

is somewhat traditional in outlook..

Yet you still can't beat the French at football that often...

Do you know what the secret of comity is? (Michael White), Friday, 13 January 2012 14:57 (ten years ago) link

nice billboard cover imo

markers, Friday, 13 January 2012 15:16 (ten years ago) link

lol "the persecution of" -- i feel like the next 10 years is just going to be every new artist looking at their youtube comments/negative press and deciding they're being 'cyberbullied'

lame adele rey (some dude), Friday, 13 January 2012 15:19 (ten years ago) link

radio 2. the uk's most listened to radio station + the prime minister is a fan

Yes, I know she's mega-popular in the UK; I was asking akm b/c he lives in the U.S., where "indie" chanteuses are less likely to reach a mainstream audience. (Feist was a big anomaly, too.)

Bon Ivoj (jaymc), Friday, 13 January 2012 15:29 (ten years ago) link

oh ok i didn't know where akm was from, should've trusted the xls

lame adele rey (some dude), Friday, 13 January 2012 15:31 (ten years ago) link

"classic rock" isn't a good descriptor for KFOG. They do "adult album alternative, an eclectic variety of blues, reggae, folk, pop, and rock music from the mid-1960s to the present" ... meaning that it an easy listening station imo

OK, then it's like WXRT in Chicago, which I wouldn't be entirely surprised to learn is playing Lana Del Rey, either, since it's the only commercial radio station where I've heard Arcade Fire, Spoon, Vampire Weekend, etc.

Bon Ivoj (jaymc), Friday, 13 January 2012 15:32 (ten years ago) link

(That said, AAA stations tend to have little influence on the Hot 100.)

Bon Ivoj (jaymc), Friday, 13 January 2012 15:43 (ten years ago) link

xp I know what you mean but the LDR case is kind of extreme. I went back to the Hipster Runoff post recently while writing something about her and was reminded what an obnoxious, misogynistic, point-missing piece of shit it was. The speed and intensity of the backlash far exceeds what most buzz bands get to the point that it became a big part of her story. Translated from excitable coverlinese, "persecution" seems pretty accurate to me.

Science, you guys. Science. (DL), Friday, 13 January 2012 15:44 (ten years ago) link

in the Rebecca Black age i realy just can't feel sorry for any adult who willingly puts their music and image out into the world for anyone to see and isn't prepared to take the bad with the good. the only people who get nothing but positive feedback about their music are no-names nobody cares about with lots of friends and family who humor them.

lame adele rey (some dude), Friday, 13 January 2012 15:51 (ten years ago) link

There are degrees of bad, no? It's not like it's either blanket acclaim or Carles being a dick. And in terms of taking the bad with the good she hasn't thrown her toys out of the pram and started ranting about haters. In the most recent interview I read she mainly wanted to make the reasonable point that she's not just some puppet doing what the guys at the record label tell her to do. "Persecution" is Billboard's word, not necessarily (I haven't read the article) hers.

Science, you guys. Science. (DL), Friday, 13 January 2012 15:56 (ten years ago) link

well there's "people" and theres "carles"

lame adele rey (some dude), Friday, 13 January 2012 16:00 (ten years ago) link

she is tailor-made for HRO

⚓ (gr8080), Friday, 13 January 2012 16:16 (ten years ago) link

xp Ha ha

Science, you guys. Science. (DL), Friday, 13 January 2012 16:17 (ten years ago) link

has she come out in support of Ron Paul yet?

Can we discuss the fact her dad made money off of people typing their search terms into the address bar before web browsers treated it like a search field? Like he registered stuff like beyonceshair.com or whatever in the hopes someone would type that in and then put up a parking page with weak "content" and a ton of ads

mh, Friday, 13 January 2012 16:39 (ten years ago) link

i'd rather not.

⚓ (gr8080), Friday, 13 January 2012 17:27 (ten years ago) link

more interesting than the music

Jimmy Riddle Orchestra (Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker), Friday, 13 January 2012 17:29 (ten years ago) link

I really don't know why people are questioning her worth when she has nearly 4 months of performance experience as LDR. Clearly she is a pro.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 13 January 2012 17:35 (ten years ago) link

And the whole persecution angle is a brilliant PR tactic. It's constructing a narrative out of thin air, and helps towards making her seem more authentic, which is pretty ingenuous really. She's authentic because she is being persecuted for being inauthentic.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 13 January 2012 17:40 (ten years ago) link

i want to completely screen out any and all writing about LDR that includes the words "authenticity" or "lips"

irina-camelia begu (lex pretend), Friday, 13 January 2012 17:46 (ten years ago) link

Which is also funny, lex, since the authenticity of her lips has been questioned

Do you know what the secret of comity is? (Michael White), Friday, 13 January 2012 17:49 (ten years ago) link

clam?

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 13 January 2012 17:54 (ten years ago) link

no clam.

mh, Friday, 13 January 2012 18:34 (ten years ago) link

i want to completely screen out any and all sightings of LDR's lips.

buzza, Friday, 13 January 2012 18:37 (ten years ago) link

born to die: the lyrics to this are abysmal, but I really love it. Every single line is a hackneyed cliche (take a walk on the wild side; kiss me in the rain; feet don't fail me now; lines from amazing grace), to the point where I almost have to think it's intentional; if not she is an absolutely awful lyricist. but it's still really good!

akm, Friday, 13 January 2012 19:28 (ten years ago) link

pretty intentionally pastiche and homage, imo

or not intentional and someone stumbled into the same concepts by accident

mh, Friday, 13 January 2012 23:45 (ten years ago) link

yeah i feel like that is kind of the "point" of LDR in general

⚓ (gr8080), Friday, 13 January 2012 23:56 (ten years ago) link

I like her disinterested singing and melodies too

mh, Saturday, 14 January 2012 00:04 (ten years ago) link

cool lips, too.

⚓ (gr8080), Saturday, 14 January 2012 00:06 (ten years ago) link

Like, what if I am trying to remember a song with common cliched lyrics and I was actually thinking of a different artist, but when I explained it to friends or searched via Google, they say "Oh, you mean Lana Del Rey?"

her dad's business model, right?

mh, Saturday, 14 January 2012 00:06 (ten years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/oB2Le.jpg

⚓ (gr8080), Saturday, 14 January 2012 00:10 (ten years ago) link

cool lips, too.

― ⚓ (gr8080), Friday, January 13, 2012 6:06 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

mh, Saturday, 14 January 2012 00:14 (ten years ago) link

i have to stop fucking listening to these songs but I can't

akm, Saturday, 14 January 2012 05:45 (ten years ago) link

Listen to her tomorrow, on Saturday Night Live (NBC, 11:30 PM, E/10:30 PM, C)!

Bon Ivoj (jaymc), Saturday, 14 January 2012 05:50 (ten years ago) link

she was announced on SNL as lah-na, so i guess my 'lame adele ray' display name was predicated on the wrong pronunciation

occupy mobb deep (some dude), Sunday, 15 January 2012 04:39 (ten years ago) link

is she wearing a wig?

Mordy, Sunday, 15 January 2012 05:09 (ten years ago) link

she seems really nervous + uncomfortable. and i think she's dropping words

Mordy, Sunday, 15 January 2012 05:10 (ten years ago) link

she sounds like a vampire from transylvania

Mordy, Sunday, 15 January 2012 05:10 (ten years ago) link

oh my god, this is the worst thing i've ever seen

Mordy, Sunday, 15 January 2012 05:10 (ten years ago) link

i think this is mid-'90s julia roberts

occupy mobb deep (some dude), Sunday, 15 January 2012 05:11 (ten years ago) link

i think this is meta camp

Mordy, Sunday, 15 January 2012 05:11 (ten years ago) link

this is so unfortunate

Mordy, Sunday, 15 January 2012 05:11 (ten years ago) link

She's neither "gangster" nor "Nancy Sinatra" based on this. Still like the song though.

Johnny Fever, Sunday, 15 January 2012 05:11 (ten years ago) link

i'm always mildly disappointed when 'buzz band' music isn't as awful as i imagine it to be but "Video Games" was definitely everything i dreamed of and more

occupy mobb deep (some dude), Sunday, 15 January 2012 05:12 (ten years ago) link

i gotta say - i love the original recorded song. this performance is just magically terrible

Mordy, Sunday, 15 January 2012 05:13 (ten years ago) link

^ this

Johnny Fever, Sunday, 15 January 2012 05:14 (ten years ago) link

original version is hot garbage, performance was pretty true to the song

occupy mobb deep (some dude), Sunday, 15 January 2012 05:14 (ten years ago) link

^ this

^this

Girl I want to take you to a JBR (jaymc), Sunday, 15 January 2012 05:15 (ten years ago) link

She admitted she's a boring stage performer in that VH1 video interview, though, and based on the music she makes I was fully expecting what I got here.

Johnny Fever, Sunday, 15 January 2012 05:15 (ten years ago) link

Oh, some dude... ur a traet.

Johnny Fever, Sunday, 15 January 2012 05:16 (ten years ago) link

so i guess my 'lame adele ray' display name was predicated on the wrong pronunciation

Why would you presume that "Lana" was pronounced like Layna/Laina?

Girl I want to take you to a JBR (jaymc), Sunday, 15 January 2012 05:16 (ten years ago) link

She is v v pretty and has a good voice for the studio

If she wants to do more live stuff she needs to stop being so terrified

Would never buy her album

Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Sunday, 15 January 2012 05:17 (ten years ago) link

no reason, really, that's just the ring the whole name had to it in my head (xpost)

occupy mobb deep (some dude), Sunday, 15 January 2012 05:17 (ten years ago) link

Her low register is very good, she should just be a wispy T-Boz

Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Sunday, 15 January 2012 05:28 (ten years ago) link

can we devote more time to the fact that some dude thought "lana" was pronounced as "lane-uh" by anyone?

mh, Sunday, 15 January 2012 05:39 (ten years ago) link

Say "bagel" amirite

encarta it (Gukbe), Sunday, 15 January 2012 05:42 (ten years ago) link

Still think Chris Isaak should get a co-write credit on Blue Jeans.

Johnny Fever, Sunday, 15 January 2012 05:47 (ten years ago) link

She doesn't understand how to use a microphone

Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Sunday, 15 January 2012 05:49 (ten years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhhBtHh459k

buzza, Sunday, 15 January 2012 08:11 (ten years ago) link

wow blue jeans was even worse

buzza, Sunday, 15 January 2012 08:13 (ten years ago) link

lana del rey shreds.

⚓ (gr8080), Sunday, 15 January 2012 08:28 (ten years ago) link

The sexpot singer made her Saturday Night Live debut on Jan. 14, only the second artist in 14 years to nab the coveted slot before releasing a first album (the last time it happened: 1998, when Australian pop star Natalie Imbruglia played her hit “Torn;” Del Rey’s Born to Die is due out Jan. 31 on Interscope), and reaction has been surprisingly harsh.
Following the performance of “Video Games,” the song that’s largely responsible for Del Rey’s breakout, The Firm actress Juliette Lewis, herself a singer who’s opened for the likes of Foo Fighters and Chris Cornell, tweeted, “Wow this ‘singer’ on SNL is like watching a 12 yearold in their bedroom when theyre pretending to sing and perform #signofourtimes.”

human trash (buzza), Sunday, 15 January 2012 08:33 (ten years ago) link

WHY can no one spell this girl's name? that is the most annnoying part of the LDR story so far. REY. three letters. NOT HARD.

irina-camelia begu (lex pretend), Sunday, 15 January 2012 10:47 (ten years ago) link

guys, it's a stupid stage name, who gives a fuck how it's "correctly" spelled or pronounced

occupy mobb deep (some dude), Sunday, 15 January 2012 12:17 (ten years ago) link

ship otm

Mayne ... Or Astro-Mayne? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 15 January 2012 12:29 (ten years ago) link

subeditors care

irina-camelia begu (lex pretend), Sunday, 15 January 2012 12:29 (ten years ago) link

i think whiney's official title is subWAY editor, if we're being pedantic here

occupy mobb deep (some dude), Sunday, 15 January 2012 12:33 (ten years ago) link

the last time it happened: 1998, when Australian pop star Natalie Imbruglia played her hit “Torn;”

markers, Sunday, 15 January 2012 14:31 (ten years ago) link

That's a proper horrible performance. Exactly like her performance on Jools Holland. Doesn't seem to be on her way up when on the stage.

I certainly wouldn't have, but hey. (Le Bateau Ivre), Sunday, 15 January 2012 14:33 (ten years ago) link

Guys appreciate LDR while you can, in February SNL will have fucking KARMIN as a musical guest.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Sunday, 15 January 2012 14:38 (ten years ago) link

She doesn't understand how to use a microphone

otm, also she can't keep time & her pitch is terrible. wonder how this hahttp://media.soundonsound.com/sos/feb11/images/E2_06.jpg

unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 15 January 2012 14:39 (ten years ago) link

What's that, scientific evidence?

Or does that get substitute if someone says 'ppened?'

Mark G, Sunday, 15 January 2012 14:43 (ten years ago) link

it's a protools screen. I can download the free version of it, intentionally sing off-key and with terrible timing, and fix both those problems with a couple of clicks. one value of recording analog was that even one session's worth taught you just how hard some simple musical things - timing, pitch - actually are; one problem with people who've never not had the option to fix pitch & timing is they don't fully get that music's a craft you either practice very hard at all the aspects of or you don't get good at them, cf. LDR on SNL

unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 15 January 2012 15:50 (ten years ago) link

I thought her main problem was a lack of breath support.

Girl I want to take you to a JBR (jaymc), Sunday, 15 January 2012 15:52 (ten years ago) link

OK, I just watched about the first ten seconds of her second song on the web before I had to turn it off. Sooo, the voice she's singing in really doesn't come naturally, does it?

mh, Sunday, 15 January 2012 16:03 (ten years ago) link

lol i just got round to watching that. SO bad :o

irina-camelia begu (lex pretend), Sunday, 15 January 2012 16:14 (ten years ago) link

it would be weirdly unshocking if the on-record performance of "video games" was, like, completely artificial or something

irina-camelia begu (lex pretend), Sunday, 15 January 2012 16:16 (ten years ago) link

brb gonna send her a case of whiskey and unfiltered cigarettes. A few years of that and some serious training in the studio and we'll either get results or be rid of her

mh, Sunday, 15 January 2012 16:16 (ten years ago) link

btw the youtube upthread is weirdly shit (as well as...yeah) cuz it's someone recording the tv w/their phone, this one's better (though she isn't)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hw0Hn3TSzyQ

irina-camelia begu (lex pretend), Sunday, 15 January 2012 16:17 (ten years ago) link

She is like a super unmusical Margaret Lattimore in how her chest, normal and head voices are all wholly dissimilar and disconnected, but there's no diction or support to even attempt to tie then together. The only time I though she sounded decent was when she was honking those super low notes in "Video Games".

Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Sunday, 15 January 2012 16:19 (ten years ago) link

god, the fidgeting! she has no control over anything she's trying to do up there.

lolling @ what people who'd never heard her records must have been thinking

irina-camelia begu (lex pretend), Sunday, 15 January 2012 16:20 (ten years ago) link

this reminds me of when you see someone doing karaoke and they're really "feeling it" but in a way that's humorless and just makes everyone uncomfortable

tyga mother (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 15 January 2012 16:21 (ten years ago) link

(PS massive apologies to Maggie L for using her as a comparison point; my bad, boo (but um you DO know what you sound like, good on you for making that work for you))

Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Sunday, 15 January 2012 16:22 (ten years ago) link

She was only nervous because of the performance! You can read about it in the news.

Lana has got a interesting and beautiful voice! Go Lana, Go!

SuperMatthewdavid 52 minutes ago

either 14 yrs old or gay, or both

tyga mother (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 15 January 2012 16:23 (ten years ago) link

I made it through to the end this time - her pitch is fine, her timing and presence are terrible & her breath control actually isn't bad 'til toward the end? I think this is actually a case of how shitty in-ear monitors & wireless mics are but they're industry standard for big shows now but if you don't have a monitors guy who really knows what you need to be hearing to be at your best, you're going to get some standard mix (almost doubtless the case with ldr) and you'll notice once the cameras are on that the strings are too loud or not loud enough in your ears or maybe you're hearing way too much of your voice so you try to modulate that so you're hearing less (instead of just pointing at the ground which would tip off the soundguy to bring down your voice in your monitor) etc etc - i.e., just like people are saying, this is a person who's new to the stage. But figuring this shit out before actually going on TV, it's the sort of thing you sort of oughta make a priority imo if yr gonna go taking tv offers

unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 15 January 2012 16:23 (ten years ago) link

the awful live diction is especially noticeable cuz that's one of the huge strengths of the studio version of "video games" - watching that it's like she has no idea what the words mean

is it possible that this is "just nerves" or whatever excuse i'm seeing her fans use? because this isn't slightly off in one performance, she was like this on one UK live performance i saw too, and it's just a gazillion miles off.

irina-camelia begu (lex pretend), Sunday, 15 January 2012 16:24 (ten years ago) link

On Jools I thought she was just nervous and now I guess it's like, she really can't do this whole "performing a song in front of people" thing

which is a shame given her chosen career

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 15 January 2012 16:25 (ten years ago) link

I hate going off topic but have people watched Katy Perry's and Rihanna's recent SNL tapes?Some critics are already slamming this poor innocent genuine cutie while experienced singers didn't get 2/4 this bashing.I don't know why are peps going so much in on her,it's undeserved considering she's newbie debuting on such important show.

a popjustice stan weighs in o_0

irina-camelia begu (lex pretend), Sunday, 15 January 2012 16:25 (ten years ago) link

isn't every bad tv performance by a new artist chalked up to nervousness?

tyga mother (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 15 January 2012 16:26 (ten years ago) link

not that i really see that much of a difference between this and other performances of hers -- DJP was pretty OTM re: the technical problems with her voice, and her songs are just not good at all and i can't believe that so much wool has been pulled over so many eyes w/r/t that fact -- but when even the fader, the premier outlet for it all being good, is saying that a performer <a href="http://www.thefader.com/2012/01/15/watch-lana-del-rey-on-saturday-night-live/";>"seemed a little tense"</a>...

maura, Sunday, 15 January 2012 16:26 (ten years ago) link

jesus christ i can't even make it through that video

call all destroyer, Sunday, 15 January 2012 16:26 (ten years ago) link

oh god i forgot about the bbcode, sorry

maura, Sunday, 15 January 2012 16:26 (ten years ago) link

seems like a pretty standard excuse

she didn't seem outwardly nervous or anything, just inexperienced

tyga mother (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 15 January 2012 16:27 (ten years ago) link

her chest, normal and head voices are all wholly dissimilar and disconnected, but there's no diction or support to even attempt to tie then together

Yes, this is OTM. On the recorded version of "Video Games," she goes into that little-girl head voice, too, but it's a lot more fluid.

Girl I want to take you to a JBR (jaymc), Sunday, 15 January 2012 16:27 (ten years ago) link

there's a german tv performance on youtube somewhere that's less bad

thomp, Sunday, 15 January 2012 16:28 (ten years ago) link

maybe there's truth to aero's theory... i feel like we're constantly talking about how bad the sound is on SNL

tyga mother (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 15 January 2012 16:28 (ten years ago) link

but you know maybe having her suck on snl, which has been notoriously unkind to its musical guests of late, is part of the backlash-to-the-backlash-to-the-backlash-to-the-backlash-to-the-backlash-to-the-backlash-to-the-backlash-to-the-backlash marketing plan. there are still two weeks before her album comes out, which means more time for her to be, like, soooo down-to-earth and nice in interviews

maura, Sunday, 15 January 2012 16:28 (ten years ago) link

haha i was going to write that at times like this you sort of have to wonder what her management were thinking, booking this gig, but perhaps maura is OTM

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 15 January 2012 16:29 (ten years ago) link

see also whiney g. weingarten on the topic in 2009:
http://idolator.com/5150549/ayo-blogger-idiots-you-know-saturday-night-live-is-screwing-with-you-right

maura, Sunday, 15 January 2012 16:29 (ten years ago) link

this kinda reminds me of the response to cassie doing "me & u" on 106 & park

tyga mother (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 15 January 2012 16:30 (ten years ago) link

having said all this, dude from art brut is apparently criticising her, and he has noooooo room to talk whatsoever when it comes to singing ability

irina-camelia begu (lex pretend), Sunday, 15 January 2012 16:30 (ten years ago) link

*updates .xls of times whiney used the phrase "billyburg beardos"*

tyga mother (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 15 January 2012 16:30 (ten years ago) link

I hate going off topic but have people watched Katy Perry's and Rihanna's recent SNL tapes?Some critics are already slamming this poor innocent genuine cutie while experienced singers didn't get 2/4 this bashing.I don't know why are peps going so much in on her,it's undeserved considering she's newbie debuting on such important show.

a popjustice stan weighs in o_0

The last time I saw Katy Perry on SNL I remember thinking she had a good night (ie she was actually singing instead of desperately honking at notes hoping she didn't crack)

No one thinks Rihanna can sing live

Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Sunday, 15 January 2012 16:31 (ten years ago) link

one thing american idol has given us that will not go away quickly is a pretty high expectation of basic vocal quality when watching somebody sing a pop song on stage, and for that i give simon cowell and his hellish minions a grudging "fair dos"

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 15 January 2012 16:31 (ten years ago) link

that whiney post is such a whineyian masterpiece

tyga mother (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 15 January 2012 16:32 (ten years ago) link

No one thinks Rihanna can sing live

by far the most brutal part of last year's american idol auditions involved all the people who tried out with 'only girl in the world.' i wanted to shake them and be like, 'no, no, don't you see? the point is that she doesn't really hit those notes!'

maura, Sunday, 15 January 2012 16:32 (ten years ago) link

one thing american idol has given us that will not go away quickly is a pretty high expectation of basic vocal quality when watching somebody sing a pop song on stage, and for that i give simon cowell and his hellish minions a grudging "fair dos"

it's fairly ironic that xfactor is another of those programmes reliably unkind to performing guests

ooh is this where i get to lob in jessie j's sensitive totp rendition of "price tag" for a compare & contrast?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pym1_N1q74

irina-camelia begu (lex pretend), Sunday, 15 January 2012 16:33 (ten years ago) link

Also Fleet Foxes were completely in tune on their awful music on that stage, and Kanye singing into a fucking vocoder was in tune on that stage and he isn't even a singer, so really people need to stfu and recognize that their pet acts can't fucking sing

Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Sunday, 15 January 2012 16:34 (ten years ago) link

jessie j is actually worse than the woman from karmin

tyga mother (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 15 January 2012 16:35 (ten years ago) link

If only SNL had waited until 2012 to book Jessie J. We coulda had quite the run.

maura, Sunday, 15 January 2012 16:36 (ten years ago) link

i've avoided karmin so far in the hope that it will go away before i have to know about it?

irina-camelia begu (lex pretend), Sunday, 15 January 2012 16:40 (ten years ago) link

lol oh lex you're so OPTIMISTIC

maura, Sunday, 15 January 2012 16:40 (ten years ago) link

lexxxxxxxxxx nooooooooooooo dont make me see that again

Jimmy Riddle Orchestra (Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker), Sunday, 15 January 2012 16:41 (ten years ago) link

Massive foghorn Jessie J was in tune on SNL. Massive often-out-of-tune foghorn Florence Welch was in tune on "No Light, No Light" (didn't see her other song). It's not impossible to be in tune on that stage!

Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Sunday, 15 January 2012 16:44 (ten years ago) link

I thought Florence was terrible on SNL, but I've never seen her in control of her own voice in a live setting.

Johnny Fever, Sunday, 15 January 2012 16:46 (ten years ago) link

Oh man, THANK YOU. I saw her at the VH1 Divas thing a few back and she seemed a half-step flat the whole time!

maura, Sunday, 15 January 2012 16:48 (ten years ago) link

I've heard her in tune twice; the aforementioned "No Light, No Light" and whatever award show she did that breakthrough "Dog Days" performance on. The other times I've heard her she's been super flat.

Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Sunday, 15 January 2012 16:52 (ten years ago) link

dying @ "ayo blogger idiots"

dayo, Sunday, 15 January 2012 16:53 (ten years ago) link

also, that natalie imbruglia reference upthread forgets about ms. dyanmite, who performed on snl the saturday before 'a little deeper''s 3/11/03 release. BLOGGERS.

maura, Sunday, 15 January 2012 16:53 (ten years ago) link

Woah....yikes @ the SNL "Videogames". She must have done a million takes in the studio to get that right, cos every live performance I've seen has been wince-inducing.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 15 January 2012 16:54 (ten years ago) link

On Jools I thought she was just nervous and now I guess it's like, she really can't do this whole "performing a song in front of people" thing

which is a shame given her chosen career

OTM.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 15 January 2012 17:05 (ten years ago) link

don't worry guys I'm sure she'll sell a lot of albums

dayo, Sunday, 15 January 2012 17:07 (ten years ago) link

if top of the pops still existed then she would do fine on there what with miming being allowed. Imagine all the really bad performances over the years if everyone had to play live (that includes many rock bands btw)

Jimmy Riddle Orchestra (Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker), Sunday, 15 January 2012 17:09 (ten years ago) link

Kanye singing into a fucking vocoder was in tune on that stage and he isn't even a singer, so really people need to stfu and recognize that their pet acts can't fucking sing

in fairness Kanye doubtless asked for & got his own sound crew & +/- 4 hours of taped soundcheck. He's also a tremendous performer but if he didn't get the absolute highest-end prep from NBC I'd be very, very surprised

unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 15 January 2012 17:10 (ten years ago) link

considering how many artists have gotten buzz out of the 'mystique' of not performing live or doing a lot of public appearances etc. lately she probably could've gotten away with just not doing this kind of thing without it hurting her career

some dude, Sunday, 15 January 2012 17:10 (ten years ago) link

btw I've never heard LDR before this performance so I she's not like a pet artist for me

unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 15 January 2012 17:10 (ten years ago) link

Fun experiment, throwing a David Lynch short into the SNL mix and seeing the reaction (not you guys, but my Twitter feed).

do you not like slouching? (Eazy), Sunday, 15 January 2012 17:11 (ten years ago) link

In the land of "you're either in on the joke or you are the joke," she didn't stand a chance.

do you not like slouching? (Eazy), Sunday, 15 January 2012 17:12 (ten years ago) link

wow there are STILL seriously people who can't differentiate between autotune and vocoder?

some dude, Sunday, 15 January 2012 17:13 (ten years ago) link

Also Fleet Foxes were completely in tune on their awful music on that stage

also fyi these guys are fucking spectacular musicians & I think 2 of them have perfect pitch. I know this because two of them were in a band we did some shows w/ & they're the kind of musicians who when they're just fucking around at soundcheck you go "holy shit, these guys can play"

unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 15 January 2012 17:13 (ten years ago) link

considering how many artists have gotten buzz out of the 'mystique' of not performing live or doing a lot of public appearances etc. lately she probably could've gotten away with just not doing this kind of thing without it hurting her career

otm, esp with her music being what it is

irina-camelia begu (lex pretend), Sunday, 15 January 2012 17:14 (ten years ago) link

Yeah, Fleet Foxes probably don't even require monitors. Their skills were honed sitting around campfire jamborees and such.

Johnny Fever, Sunday, 15 January 2012 17:14 (ten years ago) link

what I preemptively hate is how her PR will now use "her climb toward being a not-terrible performer" as part of the narrative for her next move. which is pathetic.

unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 15 January 2012 17:15 (ten years ago) link

Their skills were honed sitting around campfire jamborees and such.

lol that shit is straight schtick, they're marching-band dudes iirc

unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 15 January 2012 17:15 (ten years ago) link

lol

Johnny Fever, Sunday, 15 January 2012 17:16 (ten years ago) link

is playing live not something of an economic necessity these days?

Number None, Sunday, 15 January 2012 17:16 (ten years ago) link

a lot of non-rock major label chart acts do very few concerts or live performances until they have enough hits that they can go out as a headliner, it seems like

some dude, Sunday, 15 January 2012 17:18 (ten years ago) link

I don't know if her miming it would be any help. She has 0 stage presence, esp. for someone who is supposedly a Sinatra-esque sex kitten.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 15 January 2012 17:21 (ten years ago) link

is playing live not something of an economic necessity these days?

depends on where you live & who you know, if you're west coast & near television/movie people there are other roads open but they're generally pretty short roads. being good live is still your best bet though yes.

unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 15 January 2012 17:21 (ten years ago) link

Playing live is really the only way you make money. If she wants to see any $$$ from her record sales, she's going to need to sell a LOT to cover all they're spending on PR, videos, etc.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 15 January 2012 17:24 (ten years ago) link

don't worry guys I'm sure she'll sell a lot of albums

― dayo, Sunday, January 15, 2012 12:07 PM (18 minutes ago) Bookmark

dayo, Sunday, 15 January 2012 17:26 (ten years ago) link

well, that's not true: there's licensing, film work, soundtracking, commercials. all kinds of stuff you can do if you make the right kind of music, which she does. playing live is the only way you directly make money from selling your music directly to consumers, yes.

unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 15 January 2012 17:26 (ten years ago) link

In her particular case though, not being good live doesn't seem to hinder people as all her shows have been sold out. Also the ones after some big telly performances iirc

I certainly wouldn't have, but hey. (Le Bateau Ivre), Sunday, 15 January 2012 17:28 (ten years ago) link

not being good live doesn't seem to hinder people as all her shows have been sold out.

that's when I reach for my revolver

to kill myself with, I mean

unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 15 January 2012 17:29 (ten years ago) link

No need to bring it live to bring in that Chipotle-background money.

do you not like slouching? (Eazy), Sunday, 15 January 2012 17:32 (ten years ago) link

You know
I'm almost always 100% on the side of the artist when it comes to a lousy showing captured on video
And totes went into that Youtube with the empathy afforded any premature birth
But wow! Just wow!
I would leave the room when it's her turn at karaoke

gord downer (Ówen P.), Sunday, 15 January 2012 17:33 (ten years ago) link

To Whiney's point, she should've been on Colbert instead of SNL. Then we'd know for certain.

Johnny Fever, Sunday, 15 January 2012 17:34 (ten years ago) link

she has a few youtubes of live performances (really old looking ones?) where it she seems to have the basics of singing down

she also has lots where not

goole, Sunday, 15 January 2012 17:35 (ten years ago) link

glad the blogosphere vetted her as being a good live singer first before splattering her all across our google readers

dayo, Sunday, 15 January 2012 17:36 (ten years ago) link

wow, you guys really built this up to be something utterly dreadful. watching now and her worst crime seems to be stage fright. they're not great performances but i could see them being good if she were less nervous. her high notes are better than i've seen them in the past...

choucrüt (get bent), Sunday, 15 January 2012 17:47 (ten years ago) link

her high notes are better than i've seen them in the past...

when this is the best you can say about somebody maybe they're not ready for television

unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 15 January 2012 17:50 (ten years ago) link

well snl's cast is known as the "not-ready-for-primetime players"!

choucrüt (get bent), Sunday, 15 January 2012 17:52 (ten years ago) link

that wasn't as bad as I was expecting but it wasn't good at all either

akm, Sunday, 15 January 2012 17:56 (ten years ago) link

i couldn't get thru the youtube, but tuning doesn't just sound like her problem

mainly had to stop cos of the guitar guy's "into it" head nodding. which screams "holy god we are crashing and burning up here"

goole, Sunday, 15 January 2012 17:57 (ten years ago) link

I really enjoy watching unintentionally terrible performances (Shannen Doherty in "Friends til the End", for example) and this did not disappoint! In fact the fake opulence of the whole look/sound reminded me a lot of Valley of the Dolls.

It was like Neely and Tony singing "Come Live with Me" in the sanitarium only instead it was Jennifer's talentless dopey little sister playing dress up in a wig and singing about video games to the mirror. I won't say that I like her music because I surely do not, but I love the seriously campy (unintended?) awfulness of this performance.

Without the chutzpah of Nancy Sinatra, she could be a 21st c. Twinkle?

La Lechera, Sunday, 15 January 2012 17:57 (ten years ago) link

to john's point above, 'video games' has already been on gossip girl. she has lots of pros working with her.

maura, Sunday, 15 January 2012 17:58 (ten years ago) link

node to LDR: when you mention a word or action you don't have to demonstrate that with your hand.

goole, Sunday, 15 January 2012 17:58 (ten years ago) link

You want to hear some bad singing, try this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQYbnzWuSvk&feature=related

La Lechera, Sunday, 15 January 2012 17:59 (ten years ago) link

mostly bemused that people care about how stuff sounds live.

pandemic, Sunday, 15 January 2012 17:59 (ten years ago) link

this reminds me of when you see someone doing karaoke and they're really "feeling it" but in a way that's humorless and just makes everyone uncomfortable

― tyga mother (J0rdan S.), Sunday, January 15, 2012 10:21 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

otm

goole, Sunday, 15 January 2012 17:59 (ten years ago) link

SNL is not the place for feelings

do you not like slouching? (Eazy), Sunday, 15 January 2012 18:03 (ten years ago) link

Without the chutzpah of Nancy Sinatra, she could be a 21st c. Twinkle?

twinkle had loads of chutzpah! (because she was crazy, yes.)

choucrüt (get bent), Sunday, 15 January 2012 18:04 (ten years ago) link

mostly bemused that people care about how stuff sounds live.

it's this weird phenomenon of having ears instead of just eyes

unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 15 January 2012 18:05 (ten years ago) link

i generally don't care that much about how an act sounds live unless i'm paying upwards of $30 to see them play live, but that was also a terrible performance

tyga mother (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 15 January 2012 18:06 (ten years ago) link

well i listen to the album rather than looking at the record cover yes
xp

pandemic, Sunday, 15 January 2012 18:07 (ten years ago) link

I guess I always think of Twinkle as kind of blank, but honestly I'll take blank over Jessie J clown faces.

La Lechera, Sunday, 15 January 2012 18:08 (ten years ago) link

she's loaded the clips to her own Facebook (which she has been looking after since day one) so she's obviously not that arsed about it sounding a bit weird. it DID sound weird though no doubt about that.

she sounded great live when i saw her, dead natural. she can cut it live when she wants
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIgSIz6oHzk&feature=related

piscesx, Sunday, 15 January 2012 18:08 (ten years ago) link

:(

Jessie J can't catch a break on any thread today.

Johnny Fever, Sunday, 15 January 2012 18:09 (ten years ago) link

That's what SNL should start doing...digital shorts for the musical performances!

Johnny Fever, Sunday, 15 January 2012 18:11 (ten years ago) link

LDR SNL performance was like a real version of

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdFJTbaFcZ0

dayo, Sunday, 15 January 2012 18:11 (ten years ago) link

Nah, real version of that is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mjx_GjyXCs4

do you not like slouching? (Eazy), Sunday, 15 January 2012 18:17 (ten years ago) link

LOL @ giant mic!

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 15 January 2012 18:19 (ten years ago) link

i don't understand the tone of that whiney idolator post at all.

Mordy, Sunday, 15 January 2012 18:37 (ten years ago) link

like it kinda seems like he actually believes there's an SNL conspiracy to make artists sound bad?

Mordy, Sunday, 15 January 2012 18:38 (ten years ago) link

yes

dayo, Sunday, 15 January 2012 18:40 (ten years ago) link

never listened to her music but my ver of video games is me singing in a v deep husky voice

why do you plaaaaaaaaaaay
video gaaaaaaaaaaaaaames

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Sunday, 15 January 2012 18:42 (ten years ago) link

So have you been practicing all week for SNL?

Well, no, I haven’t because I’ve been working. I don’t even know what I’m singing! I know it’s “Video Games” and I think “Blue Jeans,” but I thought it was supposed to be “Born to Die,” so I have to go figure that out. I better fucking figure that out! There’s a lot going on so there’s a lot of catching up to do.

Are you excited?

Yeah … I’m excited if it goes well. If it doesn’t, I’m gonna kill myself! But yeah, what an honor. And who knows why, but it’s really nice for me.

Expecting a death notice any minute now.

Nicole, Sunday, 15 January 2012 19:05 (ten years ago) link

facepalmsmiley.gif tbh

I certainly wouldn't have, but hey. (Le Bateau Ivre), Sunday, 15 January 2012 19:21 (ten years ago) link

twitter response...was fucking scathing

NO NUTRITIONAL CONTENT (kelpolaris), Sunday, 15 January 2012 19:51 (ten years ago) link

so i just watched "video games" performance on youtube, was expecting a trainwreck and it really wasn't THAT bad. Wasn't a great performance or anything, she was obviously a bit nervous, but it wasn't horrible...

i feel like everyone has it in for this girl for no good reason, it's kind of creept actually. and i'm not even into her music...

I had to google gucci mane (The Brainwasher), Sunday, 15 January 2012 19:55 (ten years ago) link

it wasn't a courtney love style trainwreck - which i could see someone anticipating after some of the comments on twitter - but it was still really terrible in an unfortunately amateur way. bc part of her narrative has already become about her inauthenticity (hard to believe in 2012 but there it is), this confirmed something a lot of ppl believed about her. there was also a lot of, i think, honest enthusiasm about her right after video games came out so there was maybe a feeling like she had a huge groundswell of support inexplicably pushing her to become this hot new artist. personally, i loved video games when i first heard it, played it a bunch, played it for a lot of ppl. the following tracks didn't really interest me at all and then i started seeing her live in various venues and she seems to be getting progressively worse with each performance. also, video games was partially really intriguing to me bc of how self-assured and self-possessed and even cocky it all feels, so these performances have been polar opposites of that. she isn't just nervous, but stammering, playacting, she seems like the confused, out of it persona that maybe seemed more ironic when i first heard video games. instead of uncomfortably sincere and frightening.

Mordy, Sunday, 15 January 2012 20:00 (ten years ago) link

^yeah, that coupled with the uber-dramatica lighting and the pseudo-wedding gown. i cringed, personally.

NO NUTRITIONAL CONTENT (kelpolaris), Sunday, 15 January 2012 20:02 (ten years ago) link

A lot of people sound bad on TV (and esp. SNL) so to me her voice was only a small part of the problem. It's her presence that is so difficult to watch. She's not a performer. She radiates discomfort. She's been playing live in public since at least 2008, so maybe it's just not her thing. There are a lot of musicians in this camp.

Mark, Sunday, 15 January 2012 20:04 (ten years ago) link

i think mordy has def pinpointed the problem there, and actually brainwasher bringing up courtney love is apt, because the thing with c-love trainwrecks is that even at her worst those trainwrecks were entirely in keeping with what you expected of courtney. these LDR performances aren't just missing a few notes, it's more fundamentally that she seems completely awkward about inhabiting/conveying her on-record persona. which reinforces what i grew to think after hearing her other songs - "video games" was a weird one-off piece of magic that i'm not expecting her to recapture any time soon.

irina-camelia begu (lex pretend), Sunday, 15 January 2012 20:04 (ten years ago) link

If you sell yourself as gangsta and you radiate ziggy, things aren't going to go well in the long run.
http://joshreads.com/images/10/09/i100915ziggy.png

La Lechera, Sunday, 15 January 2012 20:07 (ten years ago) link

dayo i beat you to the "shreds" joke by 10 hours.

⚓ (gr8080), Sunday, 15 January 2012 20:10 (ten years ago) link

hmm, well I suppose since I was never invested in her in the first place and didn't really get into "video games" until well after she was "exposed" its kind of difficult for me to get that disconnect between her "on-record persona" and live performances that you guys are seeing. I guess from the outside of this situation it seems like she's being constantly lambasted and bullied because she doesn't live up to the image/idea people initially had of her as some sort of 'indie' siren or what have you. The performance was definitely amateurish, won't argue with that, maybe she just wasn't ready to be on such a huge platform - the hype around her really just started to build a few months ago, didn't it?

I had to google gucci mane (The Brainwasher), Sunday, 15 January 2012 20:13 (ten years ago) link

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dayo, Sunday, 15 January 2012 20:14 (ten years ago) link

at least half of them must be your attempts at metasnark dayo

irina-camelia begu (lex pretend), Sunday, 15 January 2012 20:15 (ten years ago) link

i wish snl/nbc weren't such jerks about youtube because i really want to watch weezy's guitar solo from 2008 right now

⚓ (gr8080), Sunday, 15 January 2012 20:17 (ten years ago) link

Starting this thread probably is the greatest achievement in my life. I don't know how to top this.

I certainly wouldn't have, but hey. (Le Bateau Ivre), Sunday, 15 January 2012 20:18 (ten years ago) link

why would you ever care about a live performance, lex?

dayo, Sunday, 15 January 2012 20:18 (ten years ago) link

you might be overstating the extent to which i "care" about this but why would i not care about a live performance?

irina-camelia begu (lex pretend), Sunday, 15 January 2012 20:20 (ten years ago) link

you are like this board's #1 anti-rockist

unless you're a secret rockist (about things you like)

dayo, Sunday, 15 January 2012 20:21 (ten years ago) link

Lol at "Skipping 557 messages"

I Don't Believe You've Met M. Bébé (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 15 January 2012 20:21 (ten years ago) link

didn't we retire the rockism/anti-rockism binary years ago? what's rockist or not rockist about live shows?

irina-camelia begu (lex pretend), Sunday, 15 January 2012 20:22 (ten years ago) link

I'd be happy to have occasional studio missives from a studio-bound, inauthentic LDR persona. I don't think "pop performer complete package" is really relevant when she's mostly selling atmospherics.

This is a lesser gaffe than that "Born to Die" video, which failed because it ruptured the suburban Dorothy Vallens schtick with the European castle setting etc.

Plato’s The Cave In Claymation (Sanpaku), Sunday, 15 January 2012 20:23 (ten years ago) link

don't you know that watching a pop star play SNL is rockism lexdude? down with the machine, up with the music! xp

Mordy, Sunday, 15 January 2012 20:23 (ten years ago) link

the idea of thinking that a singer's performance outside of a studio has any bearing on a popist's appreciation of said singer in 2012 seems very bizarre to me

dayo, Sunday, 15 January 2012 20:25 (ten years ago) link

you're being pretty reductive and i'm too tired to argue basics right now, soz

irina-camelia begu (lex pretend), Sunday, 15 January 2012 20:27 (ten years ago) link

smh at anyone still being trolled by dayo in an ilm thread

tyga mother (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 15 January 2012 20:28 (ten years ago) link

don't make me come into the regional thug thread, j0rd

dayo, Sunday, 15 January 2012 20:31 (ten years ago) link

dayo's posting shtick originally intrigued me bc of how assured and even cocky it seemed, but future performances revealed it as being hopelessly amateurish, stammering, playacting that maybe seemed more ironic when i first read it. instead of uncomfortably sincere and frightening.

Mordy, Sunday, 15 January 2012 20:32 (ten years ago) link

who am I, lana del ray

dayo, Sunday, 15 January 2012 20:35 (ten years ago) link

what's rockist or not rockist about live shows?

From that K. Sanneh article:

Rockism means idolizing the authentic old legend (or underground hero) while mocking the latest pop star; lionizing punk while barely tolerating disco; loving the live show and hating the music video; extolling the growling performer while hating the lip-syncher.

Girl I want to take you to a JBR (jaymc), Sunday, 15 January 2012 20:37 (ten years ago) link

i can't deal with jaymc's deliberate obtuseness right now either. there is another part to that clause!!!! jesus christ people.

irina-camelia begu (lex pretend), Sunday, 15 January 2012 20:40 (ten years ago) link

i honestly have no idea why some people are so invested in this weird idea of me as a popist caricature

irina-camelia begu (lex pretend), Sunday, 15 January 2012 20:41 (ten years ago) link

jc

judith, Sunday, 15 January 2012 20:41 (ten years ago) link

the idea of thinking that a singer's performance outside of a studio has any bearing on a popist's appreciation of said singer in 2012 seems very bizarre to me

Probably would've given her the right practice to help sell her 'gangsta Nancy Sinatra' image. Do popists think she's doing a good job here?

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 15 January 2012 20:44 (ten years ago) link

shouldn't popists be most concerned about the fact that she only has one good song?

iatee, Sunday, 15 January 2012 20:45 (ten years ago) link

and the fact that that song is terrible

sonderangerbot, Sunday, 15 January 2012 20:47 (ten years ago) link

I know it's all silly and naive to want people to perform live but some more live experience would probably benefit her greatly, even w the sound off.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 15 January 2012 20:47 (ten years ago) link

you don't have to perform live, but if you do, and it's terrible, you can't expect people to ignore it bc after all performing live isn't meant for all artists...

Mordy, Sunday, 15 January 2012 20:50 (ten years ago) link

people ignore bad performances by artists they like all the time. what is it about iana del ray that makes you go "I can't trust this performer anymore"

dayo, Sunday, 15 January 2012 20:58 (ten years ago) link

the ashlee simpson stans are still ashlee simpson stans, right?

dayo, Sunday, 15 January 2012 20:59 (ten years ago) link

Ashlee Simpson's jig was hilarious, though

Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Sunday, 15 January 2012 21:01 (ten years ago) link

(and also she was never a person to be taken seriously as a musician)

Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Sunday, 15 January 2012 21:01 (ten years ago) link

watch out I think lex is still reading this thread

dayo, Sunday, 15 January 2012 21:02 (ten years ago) link

people ignore bad performances by artists they like all the time. what is it about iana del ray that makes you go "I can't trust this performer anymore"

trust her?

Mordy, Sunday, 15 January 2012 21:08 (ten years ago) link

and the fact that that song is terrible

― sonderangerbot, Sunday, January 15, 2012 9:47 PM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Nah that song is still great, fuiud

I certainly wouldn't have, but hey. (Le Bateau Ivre), Sunday, 15 January 2012 21:09 (ten years ago) link

Ha, the lex is at his most lexist on this thread.

I Don't Believe You've Met M. Bébé (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 15 January 2012 21:11 (ten years ago) link

okay, maybe there's a better verb to describe how ya'll feel about her, but nothing about that performance demands 300 handwringing new answers about loni dol ruy

dayo, Sunday, 15 January 2012 21:11 (ten years ago) link

Time for a new dn

Das Lexist (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 15 January 2012 21:11 (ten years ago) link

shouldn't popists be most concerned about the fact that she only has one good song?

Save that hand-wringing for Austra...

do you not like slouching? (Eazy), Sunday, 15 January 2012 21:16 (ten years ago) link

i feel like everyone has it in for this girl for no good reason, it's kind of creept actually. and i'm not even into her music...

― I had to google gucci mane (The Brainwasher), Sunday, January 15, 2012 2:55 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

otm, there's an element of, like, ppl clamoring to beat each other to backlash & in the most extreme way, "can't fool me!"

flopson, Sunday, 15 January 2012 21:16 (ten years ago) link

Ha, the lex is at his most lexist on this thread.

― I Don't Believe You've Met M. Bébé (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, January 15, 2012 4:11 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

getting tired of reading shit like this & "oh, whiney" iet

flopson, Sunday, 15 January 2012 21:18 (ten years ago) link

OK, you're right, I'll go back and brush up on the basics before I comment again.

Das Lexist (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 15 January 2012 21:20 (ten years ago) link

Save that hand-wringing for Austra...

Austra has an entire great album!

Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Sunday, 15 January 2012 21:23 (ten years ago) link

this thread is what happens when ILX is slow on weekends

dayo, Sunday, 15 January 2012 21:24 (ten years ago) link

didnt mean to single you or that post in partic out, just find theres been a critical amount of reflexive "oh [poster with scandalous posting style], never change you old fool" type posts lately

great dn btw :)

flopson, Sunday, 15 January 2012 21:25 (ten years ago) link

this the youtube i was thinking of, where it seems like she is not a completely walleyed perfomer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwL7f57cDJY

goole, Sunday, 15 January 2012 21:25 (ten years ago) link

this whole convo will happen again on the ilm eoy poll thread wont it? and that's about 76 places before its announced shes won!

Jimmy Riddle Orchestra (Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker), Sunday, 15 January 2012 21:25 (ten years ago) link

could totally imagine her singing Trash by suede. plus most of dog man star.

Jamie_ATP, Sunday, 15 January 2012 22:27 (ten years ago) link

Thought it might be the NY Dolls song.

Das Lexist (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 15 January 2012 22:30 (ten years ago) link

Hmm, her voice actually sounds weaker in that vid and she still seems pretty uncomfortable; I believe that was CMJ 2008.

Mark, Sunday, 15 January 2012 23:01 (ten years ago) link

flopson otm, the whole "you are so YOU" thing is just tiresome at this point, every thread doesn't need to become a catalog of which posts are 'in character'

some dude, Monday, 16 January 2012 00:40 (ten years ago) link

typical some dude post^

⚓ (gr8080), Monday, 16 January 2012 00:42 (ten years ago) link

lol

flopson, Monday, 16 January 2012 00:45 (ten years ago) link

this thread was good before the ship derail

dayo, Monday, 16 January 2012 00:45 (ten years ago) link

1) whole rockism vs popism has been done to death since seven years ago however
2) to deny the distinction has any meaning at all or can ever be useful seems willfully ignorant especially in debate about whether whether latest pop sensation with one good song has any musical talent, ability, etc and accuse others of needing schooling in the basics doubles up on that
3) Ergo, posts very much in character

Das Lexist (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 16 January 2012 00:58 (ten years ago) link

0) (why even try to post more than one line on iPhone)

Das Lexist (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 16 January 2012 00:59 (ten years ago) link

how many t-swift apologists are going in on LDR about not being able to sing live? just lex?

some dude, Monday, 16 January 2012 01:00 (ten years ago) link

http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxljzw1kSB1rn3zv4o1_500.jpg

not gonna lie, that shirt makes me happy

fighting growlbacks bottomless spirit pit (reddening), Monday, 16 January 2012 01:01 (ten years ago) link

Have to say, strong negative reaction striking me as a little *like punk never happened*. Agree with aerosmith that her pitch was mostly accurate and surprised by the shock over a performer with some natural, human idiosyncrasies. Part of what made it enjoyable imo.

timellison, Monday, 16 January 2012 01:36 (ten years ago) link

lot of people get away with not being technically accomplished singers if they have some stage presence or charisma, including in punk

some dude, Monday, 16 January 2012 01:40 (ten years ago) link

like if she had been a really confident performer who just happened to sing off key for a verse the only person being negative itt would be DJP probably

some dude, Monday, 16 January 2012 01:42 (ten years ago) link

Well, as I said, I think it was technically OK. She would not have won American Idol, but that wasn't the most important thing to me when I watched it.

I think if it was Mary Margaret O'Hara or the Raincoats, something approximately like the charisma and stage presence she projected last night would have been the exact expectation.

timellison, Monday, 16 January 2012 01:47 (ten years ago) link

yeah it's crazy, almost strikes me as a little *like Lana Del Ray wasn't punk*

some dude, Monday, 16 January 2012 01:51 (ten years ago) link

The point is that after punk, we don't worry about those things.

timellison, Monday, 16 January 2012 01:54 (ten years ago) link

i don't want to sound like a total dick, but if you think her performance was technically OK, i think maybe you're not that discriminating?

Mordy, Monday, 16 January 2012 01:54 (ten years ago) link

The Velvet Underground can't play their instruments.

timellison, Monday, 16 January 2012 01:55 (ten years ago) link

this whole thing feels very reminiscent of the beginning of Liz Phair's career tbh

some dude, Monday, 16 January 2012 01:57 (ten years ago) link

They make rude remarks about me
They wonder just how wild I would be

human trash (buzza), Monday, 16 January 2012 02:20 (ten years ago) link

the fact that you can make good music without being technically accomplished does not mean that music can't suck when it's badly played/sung, and it moreover doesn't mean that technical proficiency is no longer a valid criticism after punk. the legacy of the velvets etc is that one need not let lack of technical aptitude stand between you and your vision. this legacy is decidedly not "it doesn't matter whether people can play their instruments or not"; to take that as the lesson is to miss not only some of the point, but all of it. after punk (much of which was played by outstanding musicians; if you think Glenn Matlock wasn't an excellent bassist who could've played with absolutely anyone, then you have tin ears), we say "just because something isn't played by a muso doesn't mean it can't be good." it doesn't mean we stop paying attention to whether somebody's a good musician or not, unless we are utter idiots.

unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 16 January 2012 02:24 (ten years ago) link

unless we are utter idiots.

I don't think you can just assume that this is not true

dayo, Monday, 16 January 2012 02:39 (ten years ago) link

yeah i'm fairly idiotic in the way i approach music. *shrug*

⚓ (gr8080), Monday, 16 January 2012 02:41 (ten years ago) link

Yeah, I'm certainly NOT making the point that criticism of music's technical aspects is invalid after punk. I'm asserting that a fundamental of a post-punk world allows for tolerance of, like, the fact that she missed three notes or something in her Saturday Night Live performance.

timellison, Monday, 16 January 2012 02:48 (ten years ago) link

Man, I was just about to write that this is just like Liz Phair, but was beaten to it. I'm trying to remember the horrible live performance *she* had...was it "Never Said?" I remember her being motionless and terrified...

So everyone should be relax, 'cause in a few years LDR will be coming out with amazing stuff like "Bollywood" and we'll look back on her early career missteps and laugh.

dlp9001, Monday, 16 January 2012 02:54 (ten years ago) link

Liz Phair's super-awful SNL was post-Guyville iirc - oh no wait I'm thinking of the Tonight Show when she did one I think called "Double Dutch," that was pretty fuckin harsh

unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 16 January 2012 03:44 (ten years ago) link

well yeah not many people in general do national TV spots before their first album is even out but i think in general there was a lot of chatter about Phair's stage fright and/or bad performances from very early on

some dude, Monday, 16 January 2012 03:50 (ten years ago) link

i hadnt heard 'off to the races' til yesterday, its so good also -- i guess i dont really care if shes a trainwreck live

johnny crunch, Monday, 16 January 2012 04:29 (ten years ago) link

you guys, i just realized that ldr is totally the wife in manos: the hands of fate.

http://horrorfanzine.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/manos-the-hands-of-fate-15.jpg

choucrüt (get bent), Monday, 16 January 2012 04:36 (ten years ago) link

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lvi3w6460r1qzozj1.jpg

choucrüt (get bent), Monday, 16 January 2012 04:37 (ten years ago) link

I remember her being motionless and terrified

I'm beginning to think, perhaps, that's part of the persona/schtick. Its been part of every public performance by LDR I've seen.

Its not gansta Sinatra, its well groomed time-warp abuse victim.

Plato’s The Cave In Claymation (Sanpaku), Monday, 16 January 2012 05:05 (ten years ago) link

i can't deal with jaymc's deliberate obtuseness right now either. there is another part to that clause!!!! jesus christ people.

Uh, you asked what's rockist about live shows; I pointed out that live shows are, at least according to Kelefa Sanneh's landmark article (which I think most of us agree with, no?), one of the things that rockists most value. Putting live shows in opposition to music videos doesn't change that essential point, IMO; it simply delineates the sides more clearly. I dunno, I was just trying to be helpful.

Girl I want to take you to a JBR (jaymc), Monday, 16 January 2012 05:17 (ten years ago) link

i think the 'live shows are real UNLIKE MUSIC VIDEOS' really is the point of that bit, though. i don't think there's really that many people, r*ckist or otherwise, who across the board go "live performance doesn't matter, it's irrelevant, recorded music is all there is."

some dude, Monday, 16 January 2012 05:21 (ten years ago) link

Maybe I misunderstood the context of Lex's question.

Girl I want to take you to a JBR (jaymc), Monday, 16 January 2012 05:28 (ten years ago) link

i think the 'live shows are real UNLIKE MUSIC VIDEOS' really is the point of that bit, though.

Yes, that's a big part, I agree. But I think there's also a lot of people who put a premium on "bands who can play their instruments" and the sacredness and raw energy of musicians and fans in a room together. And who categorically dismiss certain artists for supposedly not being able to achieve those things.

Girl I want to take you to a JBR (jaymc), Monday, 16 January 2012 05:34 (ten years ago) link

I would like to point out that I never actually said LDR was out of tune. My comments about tuning were in direct response to "it's impossible to sing in tune on the SNL stage" commentary that was at best tangentially related to the mewling harpy with the terrible voice that we saw on Saturday.

Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Monday, 16 January 2012 05:48 (ten years ago) link

It's hard to sing with strings!

do you not like slouching? (Eazy), Monday, 16 January 2012 05:58 (ten years ago) link

Wants to be Joanna Newsom; is barely Kimya Dawson.

Let A Man Come In And Do The Cop Porn (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 16 January 2012 06:00 (ten years ago) link

But I think there's also a lot of people who put a premium on "bands who can play their instruments" and the sacredness and raw energy of musicians and fans in a room together. And who categorically dismiss certain artists for supposedly not being able to achieve those things.

i wasn't doing that. must i spell everything out? i was actually saying on twitter y'day morning that a shitty live performance doesn't = worthless artist, and i'm fine with DLR being a total studio creation who hit upon one great song. but i don't see why that means i should defend that dreadful performance! especially as the manner in which she failed was totally at odds with her on-record appeal. ie, she totally butchered everything great about her own song.

t-swift sang very well when i saw her live show, though i don't think i defended her pitchy live tv performances either.

irina-camelia begu (lex pretend), Monday, 16 January 2012 10:07 (ten years ago) link

I saw her on Jonathan Ross show.

how 'awful' was that one by comparison? (not a rhetorical Q)

Mark G, Monday, 16 January 2012 10:17 (ten years ago) link

i just watched this again and the beginning of video games really isn't bad at all actually! she's just completely at sea

it's like she doesn't understand her own instrument or how to use it which is a shame because when properly protooled it works it's beguiling and unique

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 16 January 2012 12:21 (ten years ago) link

haha god where do these accents she uses come from?? "a mill-ee-on yeaaaahhrs"

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 16 January 2012 12:26 (ten years ago) link

it is crazy how the anti-anti-anti-backlash backlash to the anti-backlash goes with this person, even on a personal level..... like i am watching Blue Jeans again and rooting for her all over again because honestly she is just VERY BIZARRE, in a way that she seems not really in control of, as if there are at least three or four separate homunculi inside her attempting to incant the charm that will release them (none of them, as DJP notes, particularly communicating with the others)

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 16 January 2012 12:32 (ten years ago) link

i think the 'live shows are real UNLIKE MUSIC VIDEOS' really is the point of that bit, though. i don't think there's really that many people, r*ckist or otherwise, who across the board go "live performance doesn't matter, it's irrelevant, recorded music is all there is."

― some dude, Monday, January 16, 2012 12:21 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark

good framing there, I do think that you have to treat an artist's live performance and her studio performance as two completely separate entities, one should have no bearing on the other. but I don't think that live performances are completely irrelevant either - if they're good, it can elevate your appreciation of the artist, if they're bad, move on, you still got the studio recording honey

dayo, Monday, 16 January 2012 12:42 (ten years ago) link

if you're all "I really loved 'video games' but after that SNL performance I just don't know" then smh @ u

dayo, Monday, 16 January 2012 12:46 (ten years ago) link

if you're all "I really loved 'video games'" then smh @ u

some dude, Monday, 16 January 2012 12:52 (ten years ago) link

I really loved 'video games'

dayo, Monday, 16 January 2012 12:54 (ten years ago) link

actually itunes tells me I've only played it 4 times, ever. I don't even know why I'm in this thread. actually I do know why. I saw '200 new answers' and thought 'I really need to have an opinion on this and share it with everybody.' ; )

dayo, Monday, 16 January 2012 12:55 (ten years ago) link

haha

i have a friend who is having trouble being around a large percentage of her friends at the moment because of this video games song + that twilight book

(she sees the two as being closely related and articulated why really well, but i fear if i try and explain what she said i'll get sbanned-sexist-asshole)

Crackle Box, Monday, 16 January 2012 13:02 (ten years ago) link

a live show or a recording will always have a bearing on the other things you've heard from that artist because they're coming from the same person, and it all comprises the constellation of things that swim up to the surface of your mind when you are reminded of them. i don't think people can or do compartmentalize these things! a (quasi) rockist position might be if del rey refused to do live shows on the basis that she wasn't very good at them, and said "PAH! she is thus lame". but she DID decide to do them. and you can't unsee it. at least not yet. i'm reminded of the time i went to see annie (the singer) at the tribeca grand with phil oh and some other people and what an unmasking-the-wizard kind of moment it was for us - this woman with a badass sound, schaffel beats etc turning up on the night with no stage presence whatsoever and a breathy voice you could barely hear

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 16 January 2012 13:03 (ten years ago) link

it's like, OK, i still like "chewing gum" but the excitement and desire and ravenous craving i feel for pop stars i've fallen for was just halted in its tracks, it was like that moment when you're on E when suddenly you realize you're not quite as high as you were the moment before

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 16 January 2012 13:08 (ten years ago) link

the impulse is natural, yeah, but I think it's one that can be easily unlearned. like, I still love all of taylor swift's albums even though I've seen the shitty performance youtubes and that awful music video with the fake donkey. I guess I'm good at compartmentalizing.

dayo, Monday, 16 January 2012 13:09 (ten years ago) link

RIP Annie (From Norway)

some dude, Monday, 16 January 2012 13:09 (ten years ago) link

Annie (from Norway) not many have heard her but those who did all voted for her in the ILM EOY Poll.

Jimmy Riddle Orchestra (Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker), Monday, 16 January 2012 13:11 (ten years ago) link

if you're all "I really loved 'video games' but after that SNL performance I just don't know" then smh @ u

is anyone saying this? who are you arguing against?

irina-camelia begu (lex pretend), Monday, 16 January 2012 13:13 (ten years ago) link

and then the Velvet underground got involved.

Mark G, Monday, 16 January 2012 13:14 (ten years ago) link

I do think, and some people have been making this argument itt, that live performances today are important as a primary source of revenue, so if it leaks that you got an all-around terrible show then you probably should try to make sure your studio songs are really really good (which yono dil roy has not done, it seems). not like people will buy those albums anyway! what happens when the fader blog hit adsense google stream dries up? don't quit your day job! hence my 'metasnark' upthread about her selling a lot of albums.

dayo, Monday, 16 January 2012 13:16 (ten years ago) link

que?

if she dedicated the song to gwbush and spent half the performance sobbing would that affect your appreciation of the song?

Crackle Box, Monday, 16 January 2012 13:17 (ten years ago) link

what's funny is that DLR of all people could probably afford to go the "mystique" route and refuse to perform live

irina-camelia begu (lex pretend), Monday, 16 January 2012 13:17 (ten years ago) link

ln dl ry went out with george w bush?

dayo, Monday, 16 January 2012 13:19 (ten years ago) link

but in all honesty? nope

dayo, Monday, 16 January 2012 13:20 (ten years ago) link

what happens when the fader blog hit adsense google stream dries up?

one of the more plaintive and existential questions i've encountered lately

with a few adjustments it could make a good lyric

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 16 January 2012 13:21 (ten years ago) link

lana del rey to perform her hit song "fader blog hit adsense google stream" on saturday night live

dayo, Monday, 16 January 2012 13:22 (ten years ago) link

I do think, and some people have been making this argument itt, that live performances today are important as a primary source of revenue, so if it leaks that you got an all-around terrible show then you probably should try to make sure your studio songs are really really good (which yono dil roy has not done, it seems). not like people will buy those albums anyway! what happens when the fader blog hit adsense google stream dries up? don't quit your day job! hence my 'metasnark' upthread about her selling a lot of albums.

― dayo, Monday, January 16, 2012 8:16 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

is there ANYONE out there who can't sell tickets because despite people liking their albums because they have a rep as a lousy live act? never heard anything about Cat Power playing to an empty room (except maybe by the end of the set).

some dude, Monday, 16 January 2012 13:23 (ten years ago) link

cat power probably sells tickets /because/ she of her horrible live show rep, not in spite of it?

dayo, Monday, 16 January 2012 13:25 (ten years ago) link

totally going to this cat power show tonight because she might freak out and pet a squirrel

dayo, Monday, 16 January 2012 13:26 (ten years ago) link

Ditti Amy en passim, PDoherty, etc.

Mark G, Monday, 16 January 2012 13:26 (ten years ago) link

"Hey let's go to the show tonight, it might be crap wheeee!"

vs

"The records are dull, but they're always entertaining live"

vs

... um, forgot the point i was making.

Mark G, Monday, 16 January 2012 13:27 (ten years ago) link

I mean yeah if you've got a fader blog post about you and you're playing in NYC you'll probably be okay. but how many artists can turn that into a consistent revenue-stream through nationwide touring? idk, I'm not an artist and most of the acts I've gone to see live, I've done so because of their reps as being really great live.

dayo, Monday, 16 January 2012 13:28 (ten years ago) link

oh yeah: Can't think of one. Unless GG Allin counts.

Mark G, Monday, 16 January 2012 13:28 (ten years ago) link

i wasn't doing that. must i spell everything out?

Of course you weren't. You're the last person I would expect to do that.

Listen, I wasn't even paying attention to whatever point you were making! While skimming the thread, I just happened to notice a question ("what makes live shows rockist?") and decided to respond!

Girl I want to take you to a JBR (jaymc), Monday, 16 January 2012 13:33 (ten years ago) link

I mean yeah if you've got a fader blog post about you and you're playing in NYC you'll probably be okay. but how many artists can turn that into a consistent revenue-stream through nationwide touring? idk, I'm not an artist and most of the acts I've gone to see live, I've done so because of their reps as being really great live.

― dayo, Monday, January 16, 2012 8:28 AM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

well yeah of course you're gonna go see people you think are good live or have heard are good live. but seriously -- a TON of popular recording acts are in some way or another objectively terrible live performers (but not in a trainwreck Cat Power type way, just lame/boring/etc.) but afaict as long as their albums are well regarded they never have to worry about selling tickets. sure, it might cost them the occasional big festival or slow down their ascent to bigger venues, but in general it seems like the "being shitty live is always bad for business" concept has its limits.

some dude, Monday, 16 January 2012 13:40 (ten years ago) link

watched the snl performance last night. laughed my ass off. its very sweet that some people walked away feeling sympathetic or protective or whatever, but whoooo

da croupier, Monday, 16 January 2012 13:42 (ten years ago) link

whether she winds up a flash in the pan or singing the next bond theme or both, only time will tell

da croupier, Monday, 16 January 2012 13:45 (ten years ago) link

well yeah of course you're gonna go see people you think are good live or have heard are good live. but seriously -- a TON of popular recording acts are in some way or another objectively terrible live performers (but not in a trainwreck Cat Power type way, just lame/boring/etc.) but afaict as long as their albums are well regarded they never have to worry about selling tickets. sure, it might cost them the occasional big festival or slow down their ascent to bigger venues, but in general it seems like the "being shitty live is always bad for business" concept has its limits.

― some dude, Monday, January 16, 2012 8:40 AM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark

yeah I agree with most of this, but I don't know how many 'hit acts' these days are able to quit their day jobs because of successful live touring. and afaik jana fel dre has one good song, not one good album

dayo, Monday, 16 January 2012 13:50 (ten years ago) link

in the UK the only way to make money by touring is by being shitty

Crackle Box, Monday, 16 January 2012 14:01 (ten years ago) link

I think for me it's just her presence, which yeah would trump any sub-par vocal skills in the performance. The songs and videos and fashion shoots are all pretty successful in conveying something, but then whenever I see her live it introduces cognitive dissonance.

Also DLR doesn't need to quit her day job because her daddy is a millionaire.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 16 January 2012 16:46 (ten years ago) link

"her daddy"

do you not like slouching? (Eazy), Monday, 16 January 2012 17:02 (ten years ago) link

oh daddy. you sooth me with your smile. you're letting me know... you're the best thing in my life. oh daddy. if i could make you see. if there's been a fool around... its got to be me. oooooh it's got to be me.

Mordy, Monday, 16 January 2012 17:07 (ten years ago) link

why are you right when i'm so wrong? (so wrong.) why am i weak when you're so strong? (so strong.) everything you do is just alright... and i can't walk away from you, baby if i tried.

Mordy, Monday, 16 January 2012 17:08 (ten years ago) link

what's funny is that DLR of all people could probably afford to go the "mystique" route

Doesn't go much further than Beckton at the moment.

Matt DC, Monday, 16 January 2012 17:11 (ten years ago) link

Was waiting for that.

questino (seandalai), Monday, 16 January 2012 17:16 (ten years ago) link

watching all our friends fall
in and out of blackwall
this is my idea of fun
playing driver in the front carriage

irina-camelia begu (lex pretend), Monday, 16 January 2012 17:17 (ten years ago) link

this i more amusing now because all i think of with DLR is "david lee roth"

the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 16 January 2012 17:19 (ten years ago) link

This thread got interesting again.

think for me it's just her presence, which yeah would trump any sub-par vocal skills in the performance.

agree with this

What We Did on Our POLLidays (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 16 January 2012 17:20 (ten years ago) link

It's weird because Video Games is by no means a technically demanding song. It's repetitive, has a small range, short phrases, no held notes, etc. It's more about atmosphere and personality than technique, and the arrangement and recorded performance already set us up to expect that sort of approach, so it would seem to be the sort of song that an unrefined singer could work with, but she still manages to mangle it.

Aside from the messy timing and pitch -- and she's not badly out of tune, she's just sloppy, sliding all around on every note as a sort of defense against having to commit to any pitch, similar to her mush-mouthed diction, and maybe this is supposed to be in service of her kind of detached, pill-popping-Hollywood-glamour affect, which I think she pulls off on the recording but misses badly onstage -- I found her breathing to be the most amateurish and distracting aspect. Some people upthread were talking about poor breath control, but to be more explicit about it, the problem is the way she keeps breathing in the middle of phrases, where she really shouldn't be. It breaks up the meaning of the lyrics, ruins any smoothness of line that she achieves with all that slurring, contributes to her loose timing, and just makes her sound unpracticed and unprepared. Part of the first chorus of the SNL performance goes like this:

I heard that you like (breath) the bad girls honey (breath) is that true?
It's better than I ever (breath) even knew
They say that the world was built for two
Only worth living (breath) if somebody
is loving you

There's a point in the second verse where she actually sings "Video (breath) games." Now being nervous can do this kind of thing, but she does the same thing to a greater or lesser extent in every live video I've seen of her, and again this is not a hard song to sing, the phrases are already short. And she doesn't even have to play an instrument.

This is stuff that any high school choir director would fix in a single session. It's weird to me because for all the marketing and grooming that's ostensibly being put into her career it seems like nobody bothered to hire a vocal coach, as though how she sounds onstage really is not a priority.

St3ve Go1db3rg, Monday, 16 January 2012 17:22 (ten years ago) link

this i more amusing now because all i think of with DLR is "david lee roth"

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2659/3769712047_714d284449.jpg

irina-camelia begu (lex pretend), Monday, 16 January 2012 17:26 (ten years ago) link

i was thinking earlier of how many suggbans i could get just by posting with the display name "LDR's DSLs"

blood jessica shirt (some dude), Monday, 16 January 2012 17:38 (ten years ago) link

Eleven

St3ve otm

What We Did on Our POLLidays (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 16 January 2012 17:41 (ten years ago) link

St3ve deserves the first phd in LDR tbh

I certainly wouldn't have, but hey. (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 16 January 2012 17:47 (ten years ago) link

morelike land del GAY amirite?

HOOS steen is it anyway? (Lamp), Monday, 16 January 2012 17:53 (ten years ago) link

morelike DUMB BOOB amirite?

HOOS steen is it anyway? (Lamp), Monday, 16 January 2012 17:58 (ten years ago) link

it's spelled gey.

sunn :o))) (Merdeyeux), Monday, 16 January 2012 17:59 (ten years ago) link

dying @ DUMB BOOB

dayo, Monday, 16 January 2012 18:01 (ten years ago) link

merdeyeux morelike merdepost

HOOS steen is it anyway? (Lamp), Monday, 16 January 2012 18:02 (ten years ago) link

the problem is the way she keeps breathing in the middle of phrases, where she really shouldn't be

unfortunately practically every modern pop/R&B singer, including the "good" ones, does this

Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Monday, 16 January 2012 18:03 (ten years ago) link

think all modern pop and R&B singers should stop breathing

dayo, Monday, 16 January 2012 18:05 (ten years ago) link

^^^ old-skool ILX post

Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Monday, 16 January 2012 18:07 (ten years ago) link

whiney could help with at least one or two

blood jessica shirt (some dude), Monday, 16 January 2012 18:08 (ten years ago) link

This entire thread I've been misreading LDR as DLR. When is SNL going to book Van Halen? Have they ever done SNL?

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 16 January 2012 18:23 (ten years ago) link

Beside's the Schmitt's Gay ad?

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 16 January 2012 18:25 (ten years ago) link

Huh, here's GE Smith w/ EVH on SNL!

http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/musical-performance-eddie-van-halen/1354211

(Column on the side has a "people who watched this also watched" list, which lists ... Lana Del Ray!

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 16 January 2012 18:27 (ten years ago) link

I really don't understand the hub bub about the SNL performance. To me it seemed like she was failing to convey the "gangsta Nancy Sinatra" image rather than poor singing IMO. I've seen her past performances on Youtube and this is consistent to what she does. I'm not saying it's good, but for people to complain now is kind of silly.

I think she either has to forget about the image per se and improve her performance (which would require her to actually convey showmanship) or find a way to convey to mix both showmanship and the image. If she chooses the latter, it would prove difficult since creating an image for music is seen as "fake" or "inauthentic" nowadays. Also, people are so hung up on her background which really bugs me. Rich people don't bug me unless they are affecting my paycheck. And since her or her father aren't anywhere affecting my (or anyone else's) financial situation on the Internet I just don't see the hang up on that.

I say good luck to her. I'm still going to listen to the album.

Tired of these edcuated basic bitches. (lilsoulbrother), Monday, 16 January 2012 18:40 (ten years ago) link

If she chooses the latter, it would prove difficult since creating an image for music is seen as "fake" or "inauthentic" nowadays.

this is def not true. lots of artists create images for themselves. they're just competently executed. lady gaga isn't particularly 'authentic.'

Mordy, Monday, 16 January 2012 18:46 (ten years ago) link

Well considering how she was first came attention through the "indie" market and the fact that her record label tried to wipe out any information about her Lizzy Grant cd caused alarm for people to scream "fake." What they should've done was acknowledge her past image and album and be more forward about the image (a la the Ziggy Stardust situation) to create a better marketing campaign. Rather than try to pretend her Lizzy Grant stuff never happened.

Tired of these edcuated basic bitches. (lilsoulbrother), Monday, 16 January 2012 18:51 (ten years ago) link

And her Lizzy Grant album is exactly the same music she is doing now which puzzles me about this whole LDR thing.

Tired of these edcuated basic bitches. (lilsoulbrother), Monday, 16 January 2012 18:52 (ten years ago) link

I really don't understand the hub bub about the SNL performance. To me it seemed like she was failing to convey the "gangsta Nancy Sinatra" image rather than poor singing IMO. I've seen her past performances on Youtube and this is consistent to what she does. I'm not saying it's good, but for people to complain now is kind of silly.

This is the first time I'd seen her and the second time I'd ever heard her song.

Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Monday, 16 January 2012 19:00 (ten years ago) link

How's the guitar practice, Dan?

What We Did on Our POLLidays (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 16 January 2012 19:12 (ten years ago) link

docklands light railway

judith, Monday, 16 January 2012 19:16 (ten years ago) link

I'd listened to "Video Games" lots, but this is the first time I'd heard her live. The disconnect was jarring.

Girl I want to take you to a JBR (jaymc), Monday, 16 January 2012 19:16 (ten years ago) link

someone did post a video where she seemed p good. i feel like its an act that needs an old pro though. the problem w/ buzz cycles is that in this case they're demanding something that is hardly realistic.

judith, Monday, 16 January 2012 19:19 (ten years ago) link

Makes sense that she's getting a crazy push now when music programmers are figuring out how to fill the place currently held on radio and at the mall by "Someone Like You."

do you not like slouching? (Eazy), Monday, 16 January 2012 19:24 (ten years ago) link

most interesting thing about being away from ILX is coming back to find out what people have been losing their shit over for the past six months. turns out it's jocelyn wildenstein doing chris isaak covers. cool.

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Monday, 16 January 2012 19:25 (ten years ago) link

I still haven't heard the studio version--this is all I'd seen/heard:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOP2Yd_jpYQ

Is this one of the bad ones?

do you not like slouching? (Eazy), Monday, 16 January 2012 19:26 (ten years ago) link

You can only compare the live versions with the studio version if you actually hear the studio version

I certainly wouldn't have, but hey. (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 16 January 2012 19:28 (ten years ago) link

That Jools clip considerably less lolzy, just drowsy.

da croupier, Monday, 16 January 2012 19:30 (ten years ago) link

contenderizer killin it

blood jessica shirt (some dude), Monday, 16 January 2012 19:30 (ten years ago) link

orm

What We Did on Our POLLidays (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 16 January 2012 19:31 (ten years ago) link

Ha, I meant otm

What We Did on Our POLLidays (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 16 January 2012 19:31 (ten years ago) link

ormless

HOOS steen is it anyway? (Lamp), Monday, 16 January 2012 19:32 (ten years ago) link

im glad to see contenderizer back

Jimmy Riddle Orchestra (Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker), Monday, 16 January 2012 19:32 (ten years ago) link

jocelyn wildenstein doing chris isaak covers

A+

polyphonic, Monday, 16 January 2012 19:34 (ten years ago) link

This is the first time I'd seen her and the second time I'd ever heard her song.

Emphasis on "people"

Tired of these edcuated basic bitches. (lilsoulbrother), Monday, 16 January 2012 19:37 (ten years ago) link

turns out it's jocelyn wildenstein doing chris isaak covers.

Love it.

Tired of these edcuated basic bitches. (lilsoulbrother), Monday, 16 January 2012 19:37 (ten years ago) link

I mean, Marianne Faithfull is no less drowsy.

do you not like slouching? (Eazy), Monday, 16 January 2012 19:38 (ten years ago) link

another strong defense

da croupier, Monday, 16 January 2012 19:44 (ten years ago) link

as long as there are nice people who haven't heard much of Lana Del Rey but have certainly heard worse, there remains hope for her yet

da croupier, Monday, 16 January 2012 19:46 (ten years ago) link

lilsoulbro surely there are more 'people' who saw her perform for the first time on SNL than people who watched every live youtube before the show

blood jessica shirt (some dude), Monday, 16 January 2012 20:06 (ten years ago) link

Well I think the people who complain are the ones who keep up with music news on the internet and are aware of those NYC performance/European TV performances or seen the videos posted during her Lizzy Grant days. For people who mostly get their exposure from TV and the like of course they wouldn't know.

Tired of these edcuated basic bitches. (lilsoulbrother), Monday, 16 January 2012 20:08 (ten years ago) link

i wonder, honestly!

xp

Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Monday, 16 January 2012 20:08 (ten years ago) link

i guess that depends on if you're talking about people commenting on the performance itt, or on the web in general. pretty unlikely on the latter front, more likely but still not all that certain on the former.

blood jessica shirt (some dude), Monday, 16 January 2012 20:09 (ten years ago) link

Well I can't speak for other people, but since I took a day or two to see what LDR is all about I chalked it all up on bad media campaigning on the Lizzy Grant thing and lack of performance training given to her (Do they still do that btw? For god sakes, if you spend all that money on clothes and shit they can throw a few dollars with a singing and/or performance coach).

But since most people think the music industry is a conduit to their fantasy rather a business like everything else where the product (i.e. artist/group) is successful or not of course people think LDR is the worst thing ever and represents all what is wrong with America. Meaning a pretty, rich white girl who has no talent getting media exposure. Though things are not always that clear cut.

I think she has talent but she needs to figure out how to improve

Tired of these edcuated basic bitches. (lilsoulbrother), Monday, 16 January 2012 20:39 (ten years ago) link

Mrs. Redd just informed me that Brian Williams either blogged or tweeted his negative opinion of the "brooklyn hipster" under discussion in this thread. This thing has gone worldwide!

What We Did on Our POLLidays (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 16 January 2012 21:26 (ten years ago) link

Supposedly it was in a private e-mail to Nick Denton that Gawker, for some reason, decided to publish.

Girl I want to take you to a JBR (jaymc), Monday, 16 January 2012 21:29 (ten years ago) link

I read that as "Brian Wilson" for a second and was puzzled.

St3ve Go1db3rg, Monday, 16 January 2012 21:36 (ten years ago) link

like i am watching Blue Jeans again and rooting for her all over again because honestly she is just VERY BIZARRE, in a way that she seems not really in control of, as if there are at least three or four separate homunculi inside her attempting to incant the charm that will release them (none of them, as DJP notes, particularly communicating with the others)

― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, January 16, 2012 4:32 AM (9 hours ago) Bookmark

feel like this post didn't get the love it deserved

fighting growlbacks bottomless spirit pit (reddening), Monday, 16 January 2012 21:58 (ten years ago) link

Too many posts, didn't otm

What We Did on Our POLLidays (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 16 January 2012 22:05 (ten years ago) link

Xposts

What We Did on Our POLLidays (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 16 January 2012 22:05 (ten years ago) link

How's the guitar practice, Dan?

I was just trying some C and E/Emin/Emin7 chords but had to stop because ow fingers

So, back to brushing up my German!

Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Monday, 16 January 2012 23:45 (ten years ago) link

My buddy just told me that LDR is essentially Ginny the drunk bride from Sixteen Candles and I was like YESSSS

polyphonic, Monday, 16 January 2012 23:54 (ten years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clGpZdf3bwY&feature=related

this is almost not recognizable as being the same person who was so terrible on SNL; the "she was terrified" argument seems to be looking better and better

Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 00:19 (ten years ago) link

How's the guitar practice, Dan?

I was just trying some C and E/Emin/Emin7 chords but had to stop because ow fingers

So, back to brushing up my German!

― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Monday, January 16, 2012 5:45 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Fmaj can SUCK MY DICK

been practicing lately

the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 00:50 (ten years ago) link

haven't picked up the guitar in a while but it's good y'all are

markers, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 00:55 (ten years ago) link

My buddy just told me that LDR is essentially Ginny the drunk bride from Sixteen Candles and I was like YESSSS

Does that make Cat Power Ally Sheedy in Breakfast Club?

do you not like slouching? (Eazy), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 02:27 (ten years ago) link

she holds the microphone like it's a dick...she cups the balls

NZA, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 03:57 (ten years ago) link

if she sucks a dick with the enthusiasm she sings it probably takes her hours to get a dude off jesus

NZA, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 04:13 (ten years ago) link

tbf he's probably playing halo while she does it

iatee, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 04:14 (ten years ago) link

Why the fuck does everyone in the press need to have a god damn opinion about this chick? I dont get how whiney finds at acceptable top treat the eight rappers he heard about from me first like totally marginal unknowns but when this chick says she likes the fucking waffle zombie rapper meme it becomes a huge music writer event. Why is this crap bleeding into hip hop press? Jesus

I Love Pedantry (D-40), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 06:18 (ten years ago) link

I think there's some truth to Lex's argument (which I'm very loosely paraphrasing but I think he'd agree with the following) that probably the biggest upshot of the indie rock press broadening its focus beyond indie rock is that non-indie-rock music circles now feel more pressure to impress the indie rock press, its readers etc.

Tim F, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 07:01 (ten years ago) link

It's easy to impress the indie rock press. Just show them a two-bedroom apartment.

polyphonic, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 07:03 (ten years ago) link

another upshot of indie press focus broadening is that a much broader range of music is now liable to be associated with indie culture and wrestled with in that patented love/loathe kneejerk fashion. corollary to the emergence of ostensibly non-indie music that in one way or another is seemingly targeted at or reflective of indie sensibilities.

the weekned

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 07:20 (ten years ago) link

which i guess just restates lex via tim F

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 07:24 (ten years ago) link

did i make that argument? i don't remember it but i agree! maybe tim is just stating it in a more coherent way as ever.

i do remember rev alluding on some thread to indie rock as aspirational for african americans, which i'd like him to expand on.

deej your annoyance here is ridiculous considering that recently you were telling me that all critics have a duty to follow the ~conversation~ and ~hyped acts~

as bloghyped acts go i think LDR is pretty interesting tbh, so i'm just gonna enjoy one of the rare times the ~conversation~ doesn't annoy me.

irina-camelia begu (lex pretend), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 11:23 (ten years ago) link

"deej your annoyance here is ridiculous considering that recently you were telling me that all critics have a duty to follow the ~conversation~ and ~hyped acts~"

i've never said this u doofus, i've said you should be aware of the general framing of the discussion & how it relates to lots of other things, like relative popularity & what kinds of things people respond to in the music & etc.

I Love Pedantry (D-40), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 11:25 (ten years ago) link

you thinking Drake is a 'hyped act' instead of an 'insanely popular act' is pure confusion

I Love Pedantry (D-40), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 11:26 (ten years ago) link

I don't think they'd really be the same points anyway - rap critics and fans caring about what Lana Del Rey thinks is like politicians thinking they have to have an opinion on celebrity news.

Tim F, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 11:28 (ten years ago) link

only if they specifically exclude non-rap from their remit though? is that an effect of single-genre critics rubbing along closer to generalist critics?

irina-camelia begu (lex pretend), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 11:37 (ten years ago) link

Well I mean caring about what Lana Del Rey thinks about rap.

But yes probably a lot of this is a result of the fact that all the circles of conversation are closer to one another now.

Tim F, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 11:40 (ten years ago) link

oh i thought this was just rap critics opining on LDR in general. has anyone been talking about what she thinks about rap?! i haven't seen it. i've no idea what she thinks about rap. (i'm not asking either.)

irina-camelia begu (lex pretend), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 11:48 (ten years ago) link

but when this chick says she likes the fucking waffle zombie rapper meme it becomes a huge music writer event.

Tim F, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 11:54 (ten years ago) link

what the fuck is the waffle zombie rapper meme

i'm not asking there, either

irina-camelia begu (lex pretend), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 11:56 (ten years ago) link

i suspect that the problem with people talking about...that thing is not LDR specifically

irina-camelia begu (lex pretend), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 11:56 (ten years ago) link

I suspect the venn diagram of writers who give a shit about either is basically a circle through hangover-eyes.

Tim F, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 12:00 (ten years ago) link

Why is this crap bleeding into hip hop press?

The Billboard profile linked upthread notes that she's worked with hip-hop producers.

Also, you know, she's good for traffic, especially at sites that need to wring the tiniest drop of "news" out of anything crossing their transom in order to keep the post quotient high.

maura, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 14:27 (ten years ago) link

basically, ayo blogger idiots

dayo, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 14:30 (ten years ago) link

ok we're gonna do SOPA blackout day on Wednesday, and Lana Del Rey blackout day on Thursday aight

some dude, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 14:40 (ten years ago) link

raci- oh, blackOUT

nvrmind

Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 14:41 (ten years ago) link

basically, ayo blogger idiots

truer words, etc

maura, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 14:47 (ten years ago) link

the "blogosphere" is long overdue an augean stables style cleanout imo

irina-camelia begu (lex pretend), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 14:50 (ten years ago) link

the weekned

My days feel like them.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 15:46 (ten years ago) link

it worked!

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:46 (ten years ago) link

hahaha

markers, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:52 (ten years ago) link

woah

Trip Maker, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:54 (ten years ago) link

the internet sure is amazing about noticing when two women wear vaguely similar clothing

some dude, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:55 (ten years ago) link

right down to the wiggy hair

La Lechera, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:56 (ten years ago) link

idgi! don't know who the person on the left is and don't see the resemblance anyway

/tuomas

Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:57 (ten years ago) link

it's the older sister from 16 candles
their demeanor is really similar too, it's not just that picture

La Lechera, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:58 (ten years ago) link

the internet sure is amazing about noticing when two women wear vaguely similar clothing

― some dude, martes 17 de enero de 2012 13:55 (3 minutes ago)

fauxmarc, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 19:02 (ten years ago) link

at about 45 seconds in you can see her hand, and even their nails look the same
this isn't a CRITICISM or anything, just an observation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eq5NSAyQEtI&feature=relmfu

La Lechera, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 19:03 (ten years ago) link

wait if she really acts like that i could get into her, i should start paying attention

fauxmarc, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 19:05 (ten years ago) link

I think it is an apt comparison

Trip Maker, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 19:08 (ten years ago) link

I just brought up the similarity in my office and everyone was like YES! IT'S TRUE!

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 19:21 (ten years ago) link

The muscle relaxants would completely explain her performing capabilities.

Nicole, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 19:26 (ten years ago) link

finally the connection between this thread and the long duk dong thread revealed

some dude, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 19:29 (ten years ago) link

Long Duk Del Ray

Wideo Games

do you not like slouching? (Eazy), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 19:30 (ten years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/OkkR7.png

⚓ (gr8080), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 19:33 (ten years ago) link

^^^ twins

Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 19:34 (ten years ago) link

Maura's response.

lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 19:57 (ten years ago) link

When was the last time you heard an upstart male star denigrated as "manufactured"?

Maura, when you wrote this had you forgotten Justin Bieber existed?

Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 20:00 (ten years ago) link

bieber's whole thing was that he was the homegrown child prodigy who built a grassroots following on teh internet!

some dude, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 20:01 (ten years ago) link

i mean sure a swag coach had to manufacture his swag, but don't all of us need a swag coach now and again

some dude, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 20:02 (ten years ago) link

speak for yourself

lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 20:02 (ten years ago) link

the future is karmin isn't it

Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 20:03 (ten years ago) link

a homegrown child prodigy who can't sing a note to save his life??????

Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 20:03 (ten years ago) link

first response hall of fame

http://www.bimbobeautiful.com/2011/12/video-games.html

Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 20:04 (ten years ago) link

okay I'm sorry for this derail but WHAT THE FUCK:

While searching for videos of a different singer, Scooter Braun, a former marketing executive of So So Def, clicked on one of Bieber's 2007 videos by accident.[16] Impressed, Braun tracked down the theater Bieber was performing in, located Bieber's school, and finally contacted Mallette. Mallette was reluctant because of Braun's Jewish religion; she remembered praying, "God, I gave him to you. You could send me a Christian man, a Christian label! ... you don’t want this Jewish kid to be Justin’s man, do you?"[16]

Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 20:05 (ten years ago) link

I wonder if Brian Williams remembers when this happened:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RrLAgi_mBY

polyphonic, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 20:07 (ten years ago) link

i mean "bieber's whole thing" in terms of the narrative of his career, not the actual quality of his horrific music

some dude, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 20:08 (ten years ago) link

why would we listen to and talk about this singer when other artists exist?

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 20:09 (ten years ago) link

those lips~~

omar little, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 20:10 (ten years ago) link

"I didn't know what to do so I thought I'd do a hoedown" is still the most hilarious response to getting caught lip-synching I've ever seen

Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 20:12 (ten years ago) link

i think vanilli said the same thing but "do a ho down" had a differrnet meaning in that context

some dude, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 20:14 (ten years ago) link

When was the last time you heard an upstart male star denigrated as "manufactured"?

This strawman lurks around every LDR conversation. I've never really read an article that went into the manufacturing of the brand and why she's a fake and all that. Which would be a nice change of pace, rather than reading about how all these articles supposedly exist somewhere. An HRO post doesn't count.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 20:19 (ten years ago) link

While searching for videos of a different singer, Scooter Braun, a former marketing executive of So So Def, clicked on one of Bieber's 2007 videos by accident.[16] Impressed, Braun tracked down the theater Bieber was performing in, located Bieber's school, and finally contacted Mallette. Mallette was reluctant because of Braun's Jewish religion; she remembered praying, "God, I gave him to you. You could send me a Christian man, a Christian label! ... you don’t want this Jewish kid to be Justin’s man, do you?"

Bieber's family has a real evangelical creeper vibe that seems not too far removed from the Phelps family.

Nicole, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 20:21 (ten years ago) link

the funny thing is now with everyone asking "she's on a major label, why didn't they get her singing lessons or make sure she was a more confident performer before she went on national TV?" it's almost like people want her to be MORE manufactured

some dude, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 20:21 (ten years ago) link

You mean manufactured better.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 20:25 (ten years ago) link

well that's just because I, personally, really like her recorded output, so I figure if the label is going to insist she perform live, they invest to make her do a good job of it, so people don't see her and say "see? she sucks and you do too!". so it's just kind of a personal ego thing.

akm, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 20:25 (ten years ago) link

yeah i feel that. that's why i think it's silly that it's become so much about whether the criticisms of her are all "personal attacks" or whether people are rooting for her to fail or whatever. in general, fans and non-fans alike would rather see a GOOD performance on SNL than a bad one, or at the very least expect a certain baseline of quality from a performance in that kind of big venue, so questioning why people would criticize the performance harshly just gets away from the fact that she was ostensibly doing her job and promoting what she's supposed to be good at, and it obviously just didn't work out very well.

some dude, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 20:29 (ten years ago) link

Isn't expecting performers to be good live rockist, though?

誤訳侮辱, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 20:51 (ten years ago) link

if you're a moron who doesn't understand what the whole "rockism" thing is actually about, yeah

some dude, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 20:52 (ten years ago) link

no, let's have that argument again, it was funny upthread too

Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 20:55 (ten years ago) link

I think 'live' and 'on TV' are two different things.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 20:58 (ten years ago) link

Of course Leftsetz has to weigh in (some predictable old guy rockist ranting stuff, some less predictable for him thoughts) plus the Juliette Lewis quote

http://lefsetz.com/wordpress/

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 20:58 (ten years ago) link

SNOT

xp

Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 20:58 (ten years ago) link

it was live tv!

some dude, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 20:59 (ten years ago) link

i sort of want to like bob lefsetz but he makes so many dimwit assumptions in every piece. everybody who posts his stuff must feel like they're really with it but he reminds me of all those right-of-center political handicappers that everyone seems to love

Ms. Black believed she truly was a star, that people cared, so she dropped out of school to continue her career

uh, i read she dropped out because she was bullied constantly.

Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 21:01 (ten years ago) link

Sometimes think the whole rockism/popism debate is some kind of class or test that I thought I successfully completed and put behind me, but due to a bureaucratic snafu there is no record of that so now I have to take it over again long after I've forgotten it. Which is I guess what the lex said upthread- lex otm!

What We Did on Our POLLidays (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 21:04 (ten years ago) link

he’s been inside the bubble so long that he can’t see that Ms. Rey (not her real name, of course, but what’s strange is in the Internet era Wikipedia tells us your real name!

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/210/119/+_2acc5a8841f8752904d37f90a8014829.png?1322693145

Like, it's remarkable somehow that pop stars don't use their real names? Would it blow his mind to find out who David Jones and Declan McManus are?

i couldn't adjust the food knobs (Phil D.), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 21:07 (ten years ago) link

tbf, those dudes both changed their name before they had released their debuts, no? There are no Declan McManus albums floating around out there.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 21:37 (ten years ago) link

In fact, the number of acts that have changed their name radically mid-career are pretty few and far between, I think. Not that it matters, really.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 21:38 (ten years ago) link

plenty of people did something that didn't do so well before doing something else that did

Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 21:39 (ten years ago) link

Might still be some Flip City albums out there, though, with Declan M on the credits.

What We Did on Our POLLidays (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 21:40 (ten years ago) link

David Bowie began his career as Davy Jones and released music under that name. I imagine he's not the only one.

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 21:46 (ten years ago) link

baffled to hell by all this stuff about this woman's name change;
why on earth should it matter?? seriously someone explain this to me.

i'm hoping her skin falls off and turns out she were a lizard all along like Diana outta V or some shiz.

piscesx, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 21:54 (ten years ago) link

It doesn't really matter, but talking about if it matters or not does.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 21:56 (ten years ago) link

her HAIR was different then too. it's all just very suspicious.

some dude, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 21:59 (ten years ago) link

I don't think I've heard a note from this person, but if I understand correctly, it's not the name change but the fact the record label tried to bury her earlier career. It's not the crime, it's the cover-up, etc.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 21:59 (ten years ago) link

(Also, Bowie changed his name for practical reasons).

I think this person rubs people the wrong way because she's closer to ... wasn't there a singer or author or something a couple of years back who was heralded for her preciously young age when in fact she was much older? Not so much an issue of authenticity or whatever, but the feeling that someone has pulled a fast one.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 22:02 (ten years ago) link

practical reasons = commercial reasons. same as LDR.

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 22:09 (ten years ago) link

When Romeo Blue wisely changed his name to Leonard Kravitz his career finally took off.

polyphonic, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 22:13 (ten years ago) link

*Engelbert Humperdinck waits impatiently in wings, stomps foot*

What We Did on Our POLLidays (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 22:16 (ten years ago) link

Not so much an issue of authenticity or whatever, but the feeling that someone has pulled a fast one.such feelings are horribly overindulged by a certain class of celebrity-watcher

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 22:16 (ten years ago) link

Reminds me of the controversy surrounding Alanis Morrissette at the time of Jagged Little Pill. The "alternative" crowd were doubting her authenticity because she had done teen-pop records when she was a teen.

LeRooLeRoo, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 22:23 (ten years ago) link

wasn't she also on You Can't Do That on Television?

sarahell, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 22:27 (ten years ago) link

xpost Come on, Bowie shared a name with an actual, existing singer. Commercial reasons? I'd call changing your name so it's not confused with the famous lead singer of the Monkees is a practical reason. It's why Sting changed his name from Reginald Dwight. Bono, too.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 22:30 (ten years ago) link

I doubt Lou Reed's authenticity because of those Pickwick Records he did under the name Louis "Butch" Firbank.

What We Did on Our POLLidays (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 22:32 (ten years ago) link

if reginald dwight is taken the next logical name is definitely "Sting"

the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 22:33 (ten years ago) link

It's my number 2, for sure.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 22:36 (ten years ago) link

It's why Sting changed his name from Reginald Dwight.

lol

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 22:40 (ten years ago) link

new borad description

What We Did on Our POLLidays (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 22:41 (ten years ago) link

Commercial reasons? I'd call changing your name so it's not confused with the famous lead singer of the Monkees is a practical reason.

And I'm saying that when you're attempting to establish a marketable artistic identity, commercial reasons = practical reasons.

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 22:47 (ten years ago) link

the manufactured thing is a strawman brought up by everyone else

maura, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 22:48 (ten years ago) link

It's why Sting changed his name from Reginald Dwight. Bono, too.

have to admit that this is pretty amazing

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 22:49 (ten years ago) link

This Lefsetz yutz isn't bemoaning the existence of her pre-LDR music or insinuating some record company jiggery-pokery. He seems to be amazed at the idea of someone performing under an assumed name *at all.* Like, "Oh ho, Ms. 'Del Rey,' I happen to have Wikipedia here PWNED." It blows my mind that an adult human being who purports to write about popular culture would write such a sentence in 2012.

I mean, I don't give a crap about her or her music, which I find boring to an unlistenable degree, but this name thing is just stupid.

(The most instructive example to me here is Y Kant Tori Read/Tori Amos. Or that shrieking Irish chick who was on American Idol a few seasons ago.)

i couldn't adjust the food knobs (Phil D.), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 23:09 (ten years ago) link

the whole lefsetz steez is "the industry is terrified and not innovative and bad at fairly selling customers what they want..." (fair enough) "...which is more classic authentic music like ryan adams!" (uh)

Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 23:17 (ten years ago) link

Leftsetz shouldn't gripe. His real name is Greil Marcus and he had to change it to 'Bob Lefsetz'. Which, of course, is understandable.

I read that on Wikipedia, by the way.

Frozen_Warnings, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 23:24 (ten years ago) link

very good call on Y Kant Tori Read.

piscesx, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 23:43 (ten years ago) link

saying ppl don't like lana's snl performance bc of sexism is wtf.

Mordy, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 23:44 (ten years ago) link

saying ppl don't like lana's snl performance bc of sexism is wtf.

i think the sexism thing is bigger than just that. women artists get clobbered especially fucking harshly compared to men, as a general rule. men receive criticism and maybe a mild amount of snark (unless they're effeminate/non-manly/prissy/pretty-boy in some way, then the anvil really comes down). lots of artists "suck" -- no matter what their gender. but i always notice the *way* the criticism is delivered. with women, there's an element of shaming and bullying and "oh, go cry about it, little girl" that, like i said, men don't get unless there's something in the mix that questions their masculinity.

m white btw (get bent), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 23:51 (ten years ago) link

male artists get dismissed all the time for all kinds of reasons, sometimes even for being hyper-masculine parodies of themselves (see large number of rock/metal bands)

Mordy, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 23:55 (ten years ago) link

or frat bands, nickelback, pantera, dmb, sublime, etc - for reasons having nothing to do w/ being non-manly/pretty-boys

Mordy, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 23:56 (ten years ago) link

xxp but of course men will read that and say it's bullshit. they're the default sex; they've never really *needed* to think about any of this as a means to their own survival.

m white btw (get bent), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 23:56 (ten years ago) link

mordy come on

Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 23:58 (ten years ago) link

mordy, what does it say that i can't tell you what 99.9 percent of those artists look like but ldr's fucking LIP is a topic of constant discussion? hint: it means that because they're guys, they're allowed to make shitty music and have their looks still be free from dissection.

m white btw (get bent), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 23:58 (ten years ago) link

look, i'm not saying that you can totally disentangle criticism of LDR from her gender, and part of that is bc she so heavily genders herself in her own music (partic as the female-gazed-subject figure in video games). but there are legitimate criticisms of her technique, charisma, presentation of self, and condemning them all bc "sexism" is a really intellectually lazy way of defending her. i don't even know why we need to defend her. maybe bc to some ppl she seems like she needs to be protected bc her act can suggest that she's vulnerable?

Mordy, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 23:59 (ten years ago) link

and it's not as if guys who get tattoos and piercings all over their bodies AREN'T as narcissistic as women who do more conventional stuff to change their image.

m white btw (get bent), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 23:59 (ten years ago) link

but there are legitimate criticisms of her technique, charisma, presentation of self, and condemning them all bc "sexism" is a really intellectually lazy way of defending her

i'm not defending her. all i'm saying is: criticism of such things is fine, but it depends how you put it across, because words do matter. that's where sexism can come in.

m white btw (get bent), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 00:01 (ten years ago) link

some ppl who criticized her might have used sexist language, or used criticisms embedded in sexist ideology. sure.

Mordy, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 00:04 (ten years ago) link

that's what i'm getting at.

i had to stop reading HRO, which i otherwise enjoyed, because he was especially cruel/mocking towards women, and it just wouldn't stop. even with the arcade fire, who i don't care about -- win was always portrayed as being regine's pussywhipped little ball and chain. ugh.

m white btw (get bent), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 00:09 (ten years ago) link

HRO is fuckin tedious imo and faintly depressing to me for reasons i can't quite elucidate.

omar little, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 00:14 (ten years ago) link

i feel like i've seen plenty of males artists who are awkward and a mess of nerves onstage but they don't get the cat power/LDR treatment.

omar little, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 00:15 (ten years ago) link

re: get bent on sexism

That's certainly true in general, but I don't know that it has much specific relevance WR2 the overall tone of harsh negativity in responses occasioned by LDR's SNL performance. I mean, I'm sure that many of those responses were delivered in brutally sexist language (at least on the internet), because that's how people are (especially on the internet), but I suspect that the overall negativity-level is more a product of genuine awfulness than of gender. Cuz that performance really was awful.

Then again, we'd have to find a comparably hyped and unknown new male artist who recently delivered a comparably horrid "pleased to meet you" live performance to make a meaningful comparison. The only close comparison I can think of is Salem's 2010 Fader Fort performance, and maybe that makes your case more than mine (female member, queerness).

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 00:15 (ten years ago) link

I really don't understand why LDR's lips are part of the discourse at all, everybody has lips. it's gross and makes me think of ed gein

I am that young sis, the beacon, a yardstick (dayo), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 00:16 (ten years ago) link

everybody has lips. it's gross

Agreed!

polyphonic, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 00:16 (ten years ago) link

i feel like i've seen plenty of males artists who are awkward and a mess of nerves onstage but they don't get the cat power/LDR treatment.

lol you mean like the wavves guy

“How you like that, Mr. Hitler!” (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 00:17 (ten years ago) link

I really don't understand why LDR's lips are part of the discourse at all

maybe it's part of what courtney love once referred to as "and she's not even pretty" syndrome.

m white btw (get bent), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 00:17 (ten years ago) link

not to open the courtney love can of worms here.

m white btw (get bent), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 00:18 (ten years ago) link

It's not so much the treatment of any one particular female artist but the disparity with which this stuff happens vis a vis male artists.

There's an... intimacy to the criticism a lot of the time, as if the writer is describing a one night stand to his friends the next day.

Tim F, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 00:20 (ten years ago) link

i feel like i've seen plenty of males artists who are awkward and a mess of nerves onstage but they don't get the cat power/LDR treatment.

― omar little, Tuesday, January 17, 2012 4:15 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

cat power and elliott smith were coming up at the same time, and i remember reading/hearing exactly the same complaints about the stage presence of both.

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 00:20 (ten years ago) link

elliot smith was "intimate" and "personal"

rocognise gnome (remy bean), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 00:21 (ten years ago) link

why does everyone focus on courtney love's worms

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 00:21 (ten years ago) link

in a certain way sexism is all over this incident. we have an artist whose entire act is either enacting particular sexist tropes about female passivity, male domination, a whole dynamic of neglect + pining, or at the very least problematizing + dialoguing that it. she records one single that that gets her a lot of attention. i'm not going to pretend that my love of that single has nothing to do w/ gender + sex. i found her performance in that video really sexy, i found her vocal performance really arresting, and titillating. that's often going on w/ music of both genders. partially due to the attention she got from that video (a video that was itself sexually problematic, and attention that was certainly sexualized) she was given an incredibly rare opportunity for such an inexperienced artist -- playing on SNL.

now we have a notably terrible performance from that artist. part of what made the performance terrible is what i wrote about in a post above: that instead of seeming confident, in control, savvy she came off as amateurish, naive, overwhelmed. part of the problem is that instead of being sexy she was almost childish. so it's not like sex + gender aren't appropriate here. but i think calling criticism here 'sexism' without explicating exactly how sex fits into the whole thing, is just an intellectual duck.

then on top of it, there are actual technical stuff about her performance that were imperfect. but yes, if she were someone else, maybe someone who had different dynamics in her song, or someone coming w/ a wider range of material + tropes, the reaction would be much different. but this reaction has as much to do with how she was marketed upfront.

Mordy, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 00:25 (ten years ago) link

I mean, I don't give a crap about her or her music, which I find boring to an unlistenable degree,

lol interesting thread to jump in on then

⚓ (gr8080), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 00:25 (ten years ago) link

also, i remember reading a lot of criticism of Axl Rose's erratic, terrible + truncated performances during a recent tour

Mordy, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 00:26 (ten years ago) link

re: Tim F

agree completely that responses to female artists are often stunningly sexist, even when they're positive. i'm only arguing that the general negativity of responses to that SNL performance probably isn't a product of sexism in and of itself.

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 00:27 (ten years ago) link

elliot smith was "intimate" and "personal"

― rocognise gnome (remy bean), Tuesday, January 17, 2012 4:21 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

well, that's the thing. more cartoonishly masculine rock and pop acts (take AC/DC as an extreme example) don't cultivate the illusion of intimacy in their music or performance. therefore, it's perhaps understandable that they aren't criticized from a position of implied intimacy.

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 00:32 (ten years ago) link

not intimacy, just sex.

m white btw (get bent), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 00:33 (ten years ago) link

dashboard confessional, bright eyes + other emo performers who did intimate performances often got mocked.

Mordy, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 00:34 (ten years ago) link

that says a lot about audiences. "haha you let your guard down... faggot."

that's some leftover junior high school shit.

m white btw (get bent), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 00:35 (ten years ago) link

but i think calling criticism here 'sexism' without explicating exactly how sex fits into the whole thing, is just an intellectual duck.

I don't think anyone would disagree with your basic point ^^^^ mordy. But that's because using the s word without explication is likely to be an intellectual duck in almost any context.

Also while it's incontravertible that LDR plays with sex and gender, it's a lot harder for female artists to avoid being framed in these terms, even if the frame is "rejection of x".

e.g. Ani DiFranco arguably could be the anti LDR in this regard but still gets (or used to get) talked about in terms that seemed to be underscored by the considerations "would I sleep with her? would she sleep with me?" So while LDR sets up certain expectations that she likely will be punished for not fulfilling, I don't think she has the option of not playing the game. And I think it'd be useful for people to keep this in mind before justifying any and all criticisms (and forms of criticism) on the basis that "she asked for it."

Not that I really think anyone in this thread is wanting to do that, but I don't see this as an either/or game.

Tim F, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 00:36 (ten years ago) link

ime 'edgy' or 'new' music aesthetically privilages hypermasculinity, "feminine vulnerable" and all manner of genderfuckery from male performers. it's a big tent. but it really can't deal on a nuanced scale with anything more complicated than virgin/whore/virgin-whore from female performers.not to say that the performers themselves aren't capable of more fine-toothed sexualities, but rather that but that the criticism and discussion of female performers who "engage" (heavy scare quotes) with their sexuality is often kind of flat and stereotyped/stereotyping, at least in popular discussion.

rocognise gnome (remy bean), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 00:40 (ten years ago) link

i'm not sure about that. it might seem that way bc we're commenting on a ldr thread but i can think of many many female artists working in popular music + in more niche genres who are able to do things that are much more nuanced. idk if i have a lot more to say about this, but i will say that Kathleen Edwards is performing on Dave Letterman tnite and as i think she's one of the most amazing musical artists making music today i highly recommend everyone check her out.

Mordy, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 00:43 (ten years ago) link

exactly, tim f. "playing with" sex and gender isn't necessarily the same as "painting herself into a corner with being intimate/vulnerable/a damsel in distress." i listen to an ldr song like "you can be the boss" and i hear her as the one in control, the one who's kinda making fun of the guy with malt liquor on his breath. she'll fuck him anyway. because people in "control" get to make that choice. cue janet jackson.

m white btw (get bent), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 00:43 (ten years ago) link

"it's you / it's you / it's all for you. / everything i do."

i haven't heard "you can be the boss." i really only know the video games song very well. but that song does paint her into that corner imho.

Mordy, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 00:47 (ten years ago) link

I'm in his favorite sun dress
Watching me get undressed
Take that body downtown

I say you the bestest
Lean in for a big kiss
Put his favorite perfume on

The whole song really depicts her as an object of male/listener attraction - explicitly so. The clothing she wears is "his favorite sun dress." She is being watched as she strips down naked. She sings his praises, her very smell is what he wants from her.

Mordy, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 00:48 (ten years ago) link

The line between that song being a critique of that kind of relationship, and just being that kind of relationship, is how in control of the message she appears to be. When she doesn't seem in control, it's not a surprise that ppl begin to read it as literal.

Mordy, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 00:49 (ten years ago) link

I'm not sure Kathleen Edwards is appropriate here. How are they worth comparison -- they're both women?

lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 00:51 (ten years ago) link

i really only know the video games song very well. but that song does paint her into that corner imho.

I was shocked to see a recent picture of Meryl Streep and discover that her transformation into Margaret Thatcher wasn't permanent. Talk about pulling a fast one.

Tim F, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 00:51 (ten years ago) link

women today are so empowered to choose whatever asshole they want to fuck

the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 00:52 (ten years ago) link

Is there a male equivalent of "ingenue?"

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 00:53 (ten years ago) link

xxxp well, we're discussing whether all female performers are forced into this particular system of evaluation. so i was thinking about female performers i care a lot about right now + she is at the top of the list. i remembered she was performing on tv tnite and took the opportunity to advertise for her.

Mordy, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 00:53 (ten years ago) link

ime 'edgy' or 'new' music aesthetically privilages hypermasculinity, "feminine vulnerable" and all manner of genderfuckery from male performers. it's a big tent. but it really can't deal on a nuanced scale with anything more complicated than virgin/whore/virgin-whore from female performers.Is that really true? I'd say that rock allows a fair amount of gender fluidity and experimentation from male performers and less (but still some) from females. "New music" allowed a bit of room for the likes of Ani di Franco, PJ Harvey, Bikini Kill, Tuneyards, etc., at least in indierock circles. Still, I can't deny that males get a LOT more privilege in this regard.

Thing is, hip-hop and country (and pop, too, more often than not) are extremely rigid in terms of the gender roles they assign to both men and women. So it's not like there's a single set of rules. It changes a great deal relative to genre and audience.

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 00:54 (ten years ago) link

Tim -- I'd point you to the post I made directly above yours. Meryl Streep is always in control of her performance.

Mordy, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 00:54 (ten years ago) link

I will say that Kathleen Edwards' gender is totally ancillary to her music. Her musical lineage is, for lack of a better word, rockist, which is to say, the "authentic" antithesis of the packaged performer. Whether one cares or not is a different matter.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 00:56 (ten years ago) link

xp: but it's a *performance*. and there are others, and they're not all the same.

m white btw (get bent), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 00:58 (ten years ago) link

xxpost - Even a bad, uncontrolled performance is not a literal one. If anything, the reverse is more likely to be true: a well-executed performance of a role erases the conventional hallmarks of performance such that it is more likely to feel "real". A poor performance of critique will is more likely to resemble unconvincing mockery than actual literalism.

IMO the SNL peformance, however bad it was (and I agree it was bad), does not give rise to any reasonable basis on which to assume "Video Games" is literal.

Tim F, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 00:59 (ten years ago) link

you know what i think makes an interesting comparison? "he hit me (and it felt like a kiss)" it's a tremendous song imo, but part of what really makes it amazing is that it's unclear what level of sincerity or mimesis it is operating on. i think there's a similar thing here and in the music video she seems to have a lot more distance from it (tho still razor thin i'd say -- unlike a track that was obviously explicitly about how being a passive love object is terrible). her snl performance made it sound much more unclear. maybe. i mean, i didn't walk away from her snl performance and say, "oh wow, ldr actually believes that her persona in that song is a good thing." but i did walk away feeling like i had just seen someone who embodies that song in ways that were... idk, uncomfortable?

u know, maybe i'm entirely wrong. i'm kinda talking myself into liking the performance. the way she sang that song was kinda a perfect way to sing that particular song.

Mordy, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 01:06 (ten years ago) link

women today are so empowered to choose whatever asshole they want to fuck

― the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, January 17, 2012 4:52 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

boom

thing is, when a female artist is presenting herself, generally speaking, in strongly sexualized terms, it may be slightly disingenuous to equate her repeated embodiment of a self-negating and powerless form of erotic desperation with empowered gendered play.

that is, mordy's description of her appeal OTM (at least where a straight male audience is concerned):

we have an artist whose entire act is either enacting particular sexist tropes about female passivity, male domination, a whole dynamic of neglect + pining, or at the very least problematizing + dialoguing that it. she records one single that that gets her a lot of attention. i'm not going to pretend that my love of that single has nothing to do w/ gender + sex. i found her performance in that video really sexy, i found her vocal performance really arresting, and titillating.

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 01:09 (ten years ago) link

the way she sang that song was kinda a perfect way to sing that particular song.

except no. to make anything interesting out of that kind of literalization, she'd have to be dripping pig blood, carrie-style (or i dunno, something like that). just being bad isn't interesting.

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 01:11 (ten years ago) link

Number 7 in Pazz/Jop

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 01:14 (ten years ago) link

I feel with "Video Games" it's not so much that it can't be taken literally, more that it can't be taken only as literal - the sense I get is that LDR-the-performer wants you to believe this is real while LDR-the-author wants you to know how screwed up it is. The trick is how these two competing roles are perfectly balanced and also impossible to disentangle - in particular, in that the performance creates the text (in fact a lot of the "text" component could actuall be described as "context" or at least "frame", like an artist reframing found objects in an installation).

I think often the "problem" with live performances in this regard is how the variability of the performance is foregrounded over the text, such that it unbalances the relationship in favour of the former.

Tim F, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 01:14 (ten years ago) link

Interesting, totally different take by Tom E in his P&J essay:

"For me—and there are kinder, just as convincing interpretations—the singer in "Video Games" is a solipsist, casting herself as a master manipulator and her lazy, drifty relationship as a great love. So I hear a record about fakery and self-projection, which is more timely than how "authentic" the woman who made it is."

Tim F, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 01:19 (ten years ago) link

the sense I get is that LDR-the-performer wants you to believe this is real while LDR-the-author wants you to know how screwed up it is.

I don't know how you can possibly parse this kind of dichotomy in a productive way but fwiw, I'm not convinced that is true.

Mordy, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 01:19 (ten years ago) link

i understand why you would read it that way. she repeats video games over and over (and it's the title of the song). that seems to code culturally as a guy that is immature, neglectful, etc, so a critical voice interpolating and making the critique explicit through repetition.

but i think there's an equally valid interpretation that she reads this as a moment of intimacy. "and you say get over here / and play a video game" could be read as an invitation to join him (i don't get a sense of explicit rejection by the video game player), and i think that reading makes even more sense syntactical sense than the alternative. "go play a video game," doesn't have an obvious negative interpretation. "this is my idea of fun / playing video games" - actually equates her own agency + enjoyment with playing video games. i don't even see the other way of reading that line -- that her idea of fun (watching friends fall in and out of Old Pauls) is just as alienating and passive as watching her boyfriend play video games? maybe...

Mordy, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 01:29 (ten years ago) link

Perhaps replace "LDR-the-performer" with "LDR-the-character". I feel that the character "means it" as much as a character in a book or a tv show or film does.

Tim F, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 01:30 (ten years ago) link

no, i understood what you meant. i'm just pushing against the notion that there's necessarily a critical voice w/ more distance than the character

Mordy, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 01:31 (ten years ago) link

there's of course our own critical voice as listeners + i do believe texts include multiple levels of meaning (cf. Derrida)

Mordy, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 01:32 (ten years ago) link

just being bad isn't interesting.

But she wasn't "just bad." She was human, which WAS interesting imo.

timellison, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 01:32 (ten years ago) link

more that it can't be taken only as literal - the sense I get is that LDR-the-performer wants you to believe this is real while LDR-the-author wants you to know how screwed up it is.
i would agree if i didn't think LDR was attempting to arouse explicitly sexual interest. thing is, genuine erotic allure generally doesn't allow for that kind of ambiguity. regardless of whatever art-games the author might be playing, the core of the "sexy" must read as 100% real in order to function properly. in LDR's case, the erotic appeal is inextricable from the desperation and self-negation. the fact that the desperate self-negation is implicitly criticized doesn't mitigate the fact that it's all-important sexiness is played completely straight.

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 01:33 (ten years ago) link

i'm a big fan of "lady in satan" -- i don't think ldr's performance here was nearly as good as that album, really, but i can see ways in which it achieves a kind of beauty that i also hear in lady in satan.

Mordy, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 01:34 (ten years ago) link

contenderizer re 'dripping pig-blood carrie style' i dunno if you were actually referring to it or not but in case not; here's one of the photos from Q mag's latest issue!
http://www.theprophetblog.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Lana-Del-Rey-Q-Magazine-Carrie-2.jpg

piscesx, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 01:35 (ten years ago) link

It's not so much playing video games that has a negative interpretation as:

"I tell you all the time: heaven is a place on earth where you tell me all the things you wanna do."

This line is too revealing, I think, not to imply the critical voice.

Tim F, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 01:35 (ten years ago) link

edit that last post variously: is = are, it's = its, etc.

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 01:35 (ten years ago) link

contenderizer re 'dripping pig-blood carrie style' i dunno if you were actually referring to it or not but in case not; here's one of the photos from Q mag's latest issue!

DAMN! no, i pulled that out of the air. holy shit.

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 01:36 (ten years ago) link

i would agree if i didn't think LDR was attempting to arouse explicitly sexual interest. thing is, genuine erotic allure generally doesn't allow for that kind of ambiguity. regardless of whatever art-games the author might be playing, the core of the "sexy" must read as 100% real in order to function properly.

This proposition strikes me as both unfounded and incorrect.

IME such ambiguity generates erotic allure.

Tim F, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 01:37 (ten years ago) link

In fact a lot of romantic and/or sexual yearning is built around the ultimate unknowability of the object's feelings and intentions, whereas transparency encourages familiarity which encourages boredom.

Tim F, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 01:38 (ten years ago) link

i dunno. if vulnerability is sexy, then any erotica appeal based on vulnerability must seem "real" in some sense in order to generate the frisson. and if ambiguity is the point of appeal, then the ambiguity must seem real. if it's intelligence, then the intelligence must seem real, etc.

and maybe "real" is the wrong word. maybe i just mean that the siren song must be erotically convincing on some level. i'd argue that, as erotica, on a strictly sexual level, the battered desperation of the narrator of "video games" is and is supposed to be erotically convincing.

maybe i'm wrong though.

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 01:43 (ten years ago) link

Number 7 in Pazz/Jop

― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, January 17, 2012 8:14 PM (27 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

kinda fun to have that announced the day everyone's running "critics EVISCERATE lana del rey" headlines

Reginald "Bono" Dwight (some dude), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 01:43 (ten years ago) link

1st "erotica" = "erotic"

*sigh*

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 01:43 (ten years ago) link

"I tell you all the time: heaven is a place on earth where you tell me all the things you wanna do."

seems very sincere to me actually! where are you reading critical distance into this line?

Mordy, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 01:44 (ten years ago) link

it reminds me of the scene in High Fidelity where the ex complains to John Cusack that he never talks about what he wants to do + his future anymore

Mordy, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 01:45 (ten years ago) link

anyway, "carrie" would have been a much better SNL look than "whooping cough"

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 01:45 (ten years ago) link

i dunno. if vulnerability is sexy, then any erotica appeal based on vulnerability must seem "real" in some sense in order to generate the frisson. and if ambiguity is the point of appeal, then the ambiguity must seem real. if it's intelligence, then the intelligence must seem real, etc.

and maybe "real" is the wrong word. maybe i just mean that the siren song must be erotically convincing on some level. i'd argue that, as erotica, on a strictly sexual level, the battered desperation of the narrator of "video games" is and is supposed to be erotically convincing.

I think you're applying a fairly rigid framework for the operation of desire here.

Vulnerability isn't sexy as some kind of standalone concept such that the more purely it is presented the more enticing it is. The things we find erotic are always performances or articulations, weaving together a host of ideas and resemblances and implications and relationships and assumptions (on the part of the audience).

To determine objectively whether something was "erotically convincing" you'd need to exhaustively define that articulation first.

But I think that one of the things that can result in a performance seeming erotically charged is how it can exceed or go beyond the concepts which the observer brings to the table, and refuses to be limited by them (apologies for the psuedo-lacan). So an observer not really knowing how to box LDR's performance strikes me as being as capable as generating desire as the observer being able to box it squarely and neatly as "vulnerable".

Tim F, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 01:52 (ten years ago) link

agree with all that, but i'm not trying to prove my case objectively and don't think anything would be served by an exhaustive attempt to define terms and frame my argument. perhaps i am applying a rather "rigid" framework to the operation of desire, but i'm speaking more in general terms than trying to account for all cases and variations. in general, i do believe that erotic offerings must be erotically convincing on their own terms in order to "work". and i do believe that the core of LDR's erotic offering in "video games" is desperate self-negation. i don't find any fault in this, but i am a bit suspicious of attempts to excuse or deny it.

it seems to me that the best counterargument to mordy's point isn't that LDR's self-abasement is distanced gender play, but rather that we're often far too quick to pass simplistic political judgement on eroticized female submissiveness.

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 02:12 (ten years ago) link

morelike lana del GAY amirite????

HOOS steen is it anyway? (Lamp), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 03:15 (ten years ago) link

no idea why i'm getting into this but...

i don't get how you could possibly watch the video for "video games" and not see ambiguity and critical distance. after reading the first wave of responses to the video and watching it i was surprised at how much was made of her character's attitude towards her video game-playing boyfriend (which to me seemed intentionally vague and somewhat beside the point,) and how little was made of the double meaning of the song title, which if you watch the video, seems pretty obviously to be about her put-on persona and performing for the camera, she's playing video games. the emphasis on cameras in the video, the footage of sunset strip, the way her look and sound quote cliches of past pop starlets, it reeks of irony and self-consciousness. btw, you can't accuse me of giving her too much credit w/o exposing yourself as a misogynist. so yeah, i think i agree with tom e's take on it.

ps: this has no bearing on her snl performance which was definitely bad and not intentionally vulnerable or w/e.

karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Wednesday, 18 January 2012 04:14 (ten years ago) link

omg that double meaning doesn't exist get out of here

iatee, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 04:15 (ten years ago) link

idk, maybe it's too pat, but its what i thought when i first saw the video

karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Wednesday, 18 January 2012 04:17 (ten years ago) link

video games = games you play with video? cute.

Mordy, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 04:18 (ten years ago) link

agree with everything karl just said. my point isn't that she lacks complexity as an artist, but rather that the erotic offering she very clearly and intentionally projects (both musically and in the "video games" video) is not similarly complex. it's quite simple, and it leans in a simple way on vulnerability and need.

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 04:21 (ten years ago) link

even though that song is simple i do think it would be hard to sing live on t.v. unless you are REALLY good at performing live cuz its kinda like singing a capella. you have to captivate. when i hear the studio stuff by her i always wish someone who could sing was singing the songs. cuz the songs are catchy and compelling, and the right person could do them justice. someone who can really sing should cover video games immediately. someone more soulful.

scott seward, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 04:22 (ten years ago) link

i think you just disagreed w/ everything he said? xp

Mordy, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 04:22 (ten years ago) link

i'm not disagreeing, i'm distinguishing between different levels in the functioning of artistic personas.

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 04:36 (ten years ago) link

i mean, is there any way that the voice, persona or video clearly intend to read as "not sexy"?

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 04:39 (ten years ago) link

are the narrator's vulnerability and desperation ever clearly questioned, subverted or made to seem less than erotically alluring?

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 04:50 (ten years ago) link

The singer also revealed that she was "trying to look smart and well turned-out, rather than 'sexy' [in the music video]. Of course I wanted to look good, but 'smart' was the primary focus."[3]

^^^ this is kind of hilarious to me and feels like her whole thing in a nutshell

Reginald "Bono" Dwight (some dude), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 04:53 (ten years ago) link

I assume that by now Griel Marcus has compared this song to Betty's audition in Mulholland Drive.

do you not like slouching? (Eazy), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 05:00 (ten years ago) link

kinda feel like she could work on the sexy thing along with the singing thing. if sexy is what she is aiming for. she does pitiful pretty good. and pouty. and she definitely has model looks, so, i'm sure with a good acting/singing/sexy coach she'll be the whole package in no time.

scott seward, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 05:02 (ten years ago) link

"I tell you all the time: heaven is a place on earth where you tell me all the things you wanna do."

huh, i heard it as "with" not "where" -- not a huge difference, admittedly

sarahell, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 05:21 (ten years ago) link

it's definitely "heaven is a place on earth with you"

horseshoe, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 05:27 (ten years ago) link

sorry if i haven't read the entire thread, but, have we discussed that the bf in this song seems kinda lame?

sarahell, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 05:36 (ten years ago) link

are the narrator's vulnerability and desperation ever clearly questioned, subverted or made to seem less than erotically alluring?

Sorry contenderizer, I just don't understand why you think critical distance = "made to seem less than erotically alluring."

Running with the Lynch reference, I would compare the narrator of the song to the two female leads in the first half of Mulholland Drive - clearly "not real" fantasies that are also deeply alluring, and moreover, alluring as fantasies, as something that not only "is not" but also "cannot be".

it's definitely "heaven is a place on earth with you"

this slightly weakens my position, I'll admit, but not enough to make me retreat from it.

Tim F, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 05:43 (ten years ago) link

oh i don't have a dog in this discussion i was just being a lyrics pedant

horseshoe, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 05:43 (ten years ago) link

the lyric that Tim heard is a better lyric, but that's not what it actually says. horseshoe otm

sarahell, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 05:45 (ten years ago) link

I often find myself mentally improving songs in this way.

Tim F, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 05:46 (ten years ago) link

Probably a Belinda Carlisle ref.

Mark, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 05:49 (ten years ago) link

Belinda seemed to have more lively and interesting bf's

sarahell, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 05:50 (ten years ago) link

i assumed it was a belinda carlisle reference, too. i don't really get the song.

horseshoe, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 05:53 (ten years ago) link

I just don't understand why you think critical distance = "made to seem less than erotically alluring."

i don't! i assume LDR knows exactly what she's playing with and that the song is delivered in character. i recognize and appreciate the sophistication of the whole. i'm only talking about the use and quality of eroticism as part of the surface appeal. on that level, the performance and video strike me as quite simple. would compare the seductive aspects to mazzy star and lynch's "dark" heroines.

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 06:12 (ten years ago) link

the sense I get is that LDR-the-performer wants you to believe this is real while LDR-the-author wants you to know how screwed up it is

yeah this is definitely what i think, which is why all the arguments along the lines of "lana del rey is reinforcing unhelpful gender stereotypes and setting a Bad Example to young women" were so reductive. it's a great song because it conveys how much the narrator wants to believe in the relationship, to the extent that she's prepared to play a submissive or helpless role, while also conveying that the situation is fucked up.

i read the double meaning of "video games" as relating to the general out-of-body feeling of the song, as though she's seeing herself inhabit this role but despite that awareness is unable to snap herself out of it - kind of like she's unable to control her character in a video game.

irina-camelia begu (lex pretend), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 10:52 (ten years ago) link

^^^^^^^

Lex speaks truth.

half-baked idea alert: I don't like invoking this kind of thing but I suspect that this aspect of the song would make intuitive sense to a lot of gay people.

Tim F, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 10:57 (ten years ago) link

w/r/t sexiness, it's obvious to me that the submissiveness/passivity/helplessness that del rey plays in the song goes hand in hand with a certain idea of sexiness, and the song makes it quite clear that it's just an idea of sexiness, one that's as helpful to the narrator as the passive helplessness. whether the listener actually finds it sexy is neither here nor there.

memo to str8 dudes: just because a female performer sings and performs ideas of sexiness in her work does not mean that "does this give me a boner" should be your litmus test of whether she's any good as an artist. it's not about YOU.

irina-camelia begu (lex pretend), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 11:01 (ten years ago) link

(memo to str8 women: "does this give the annoying bros in my life a boner" is also not a good litmus test.)

irina-camelia begu (lex pretend), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 11:02 (ten years ago) link

I keep expecting her to break into U2's "With or without you"

Mark G, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 11:18 (ten years ago) link

Memo to gay dudes: be less smug

Matt DC, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 11:24 (ten years ago) link

i do remember rev alluding on some thread to indie rock as aspirational for african americans, which i'd like him to expand on.

― irina-camelia begu (lex pretend), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 11:23 (Yesterday) Permalink

i think i brought this up actually & he tied it more specifically to african americans, but it was about how 'aston martin music''s chorus was kinda funny to me b/c chrisette michelle associates the yeah yeah yeahs with ... aston martin driving. where i associate it w/ dirty basement parties from college with cheap beer & etc.

I think there's a really interesting essay to be made about how the performance of taste is often about aspirational living

I Love Pedantry (D-40), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 11:29 (ten years ago) link

solange knowles. blipsters. kanye's fashion sense.

irina-camelia begu (lex pretend), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 11:49 (ten years ago) link

Memo to gay dudes: be less smug

haha, was gonna say: gay dudes are actually the worst when it comes to confusing their erections with good taste.

Tim F, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 11:49 (ten years ago) link

I just watched the video for the first time, which is also the first time I've heard a note from this person. Seems OK to me. The erotic component seems pretty minor to me in this case. She's got this world weary stance that makes it sound like she's been through the (relationship?) ringer. She's wounded, which most people don't find ... sexy.

Also, I haven't seen the SNL performance, but this really doesn't sound like any sort of difficult, balancing act sort of song to pull off live, unless you can't sing.

Speaking of Kathleen Edwards, I kept thinking of "Hockey Skates" for some reason! Dunno why.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 12:47 (ten years ago) link

Do you mean the ones go to circuit parties or the ones who go to pride marches xp

Dancin with Mr. D__ (Ówen P.), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 12:48 (ten years ago) link

Both?

Tim F, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 13:17 (ten years ago) link

That's a very-much overlapping venn diagram in any event i would have thought.

Tim F, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 13:17 (ten years ago) link

I think there's a really interesting essay to be made about how the performance of taste is often about aspirational living

very fucking otm dude for real

unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 13:29 (ten years ago) link

not only would it make an interesting essay but it already has!

http://www.amazon.com/Distinction-Social-Critique-Judgement-Introductions/dp/0674212770

Mordy, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 13:48 (ten years ago) link

Ha, I just started reading Distinction, knowingly only the condensed version via critics like Carl Wilson.

xp Verging-on-sycophantic agreement with Tim. Not just about the first-half-of-Mulholland-Drive comparison, which I wrote about during an EOY discussion but the importance of persona. One thing people who "expose" her Lizzy Grant past ignore is how blatantly she foregrounds the LDR character - her debut is called Lana Del Rey (AKA Lizzy Grant). That's not hiding anything. And in Q she compares the LDR character to an art project. A very consistent one too, at least on record (on SNL the gap between the person and the persona yawned dangerously wide). In almost every song I've heard she remains sexually passive, hung up on bad boys, and only in National Anthem is there a suggestion that she's using this to manipulate a man, but then that song is so jaundiced about sex, money and celebrity that it's hardly empowering. Much though I agree with Maura that there's a misogynist streak to some of the attacks on her (notably HRO), I can see feminists getting just as angry with her. How much she can get away with by saying LDR is just a character with retrograde sexual politics I'm not sure.

Science, you guys. Science. (DL), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 13:51 (ten years ago) link

you guys are really thinking about this! LDR close readings! i had no idea...

scott seward, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 14:14 (ten years ago) link

still think an acting coach could really help her out.

scott seward, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 14:14 (ten years ago) link

Slightly OT but I think it's a bad idea to use HRO to attack critics of any type. Its whole raison d'etre is to be inappropriate + irreverent.

Mordy, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 14:20 (ten years ago) link

her debut is called Lana Del Rey (AKA Lizzy Grant).

rly? :( if so

Θ ̨Θƪ (sic), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 14:35 (ten years ago) link

not only would it make an interesting essay but it already has!

http://www.amazon.com/Distinction-Social-Critique-Judgement-Introductions/dp/0674212770

I want you to know that I really did say "wow, I should read that" unironically to myself when I saw this

unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 14:37 (ten years ago) link

xp By which I mean the 2009 debut that nobody heard at the time, not the new one, which is called Born to Die.

Science, you guys. Science. (DL), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 14:44 (ten years ago) link

Yeah, I managed to find a zip. not sure if it actually existed, ever, as a CD release.

Mark G, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 14:44 (ten years ago) link

tbh I would care a lot more about her if her songs were all covers of tracks off of Ready To Die

Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 14:46 (ten years ago) link

'w/r/t sexiness, it's obvious to me that the submissiveness/passivity/helplessness that del rey plays in the song goes hand in hand with a certain idea of sexiness, and the song makes it quite clear that it's just an idea of sexiness, one that's as helpful to the narrator as the passive helplessness. whether the listener actually finds it sexy is neither here nor there.'

this is kind of the central thing about 'off to the races', I think.

akm, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 15:43 (ten years ago) link

whatshername from mad men should make a record. don draper's wife. she'd be better at it.

scott seward, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 15:51 (ten years ago) link

LDR should arrange to get into a car accident while on pills + wearing an evening gown w/ a toy dog in her purse, it would help with the authenticity thing

the boy with the gorn at his side (Edward III), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 16:06 (ten years ago) link

whatshername from mad men should make a record. don draper's wife. she'd be better at it.

― scott seward, Wednesday, January 18, 2012 10:51 AM (19 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this is a good call, especially since January Jones is basically the only person to do worse on the SNL stage than LDR the last couple years

Whitechocolatespacecase (some dude), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 16:11 (ten years ago) link

is that her name? that's a great name. she doesn't even have to change it.

scott seward, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 16:21 (ten years ago) link

wonder if the lex has ever heard this song? still makes me swoon...*sigh*. bums me out too. in a good way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgkw47HLxH8&feature=related

scott seward, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 16:27 (ten years ago) link

memo to str8 dudes: just because a female performer sings and performs ideas of sexiness in her work does not mean that "does this give me a boner" should be your litmus test of whether she's any good as an artist. it's not about YOU.

― irina-camelia begu (lex pretend), Wednesday, January 18, 2012 3:01 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

ffs, "be less smug" indeed. i don't think that either LDR or "video games" is particularly sexy. that passive, needy, "wounded bird" thing has never done much for me, personally. it is, however, a very common form of erotic appeal. i think that we can easily recognize it even if we don't feel it. as a comparison, i recognize the erotic appeal embodied in sting's music, persona and imagery despite the fact that it doesn't arouse me in the least.

we can't ever know an artist's underlying intent with perfect accuracy, but we can observe the ways in which familiar devices are employed in their work and draw general conclusions. i'm simply saying that i see in LDR's songs and videos the attempt to construct a persona with a particular erotic/romantic appeal. consciously or unconsciously, gay or straight, male or female, most pop stars attempt something similar. the nature of the constructed appeal, of course, differs radically from individual to individual.

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 16:37 (ten years ago) link

half-baked idea alert: I don't like invoking this kind of thing but I suspect that this aspect of the song would make intuitive sense to a lot of gay people.

― Tim F, Wednesday, January 18, 2012 2:57 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

point taken, but the helpless, role-bound angle is very obvious, and i suspect that it makes intuitive (and direct) sense to all sorts of people.

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 16:45 (ten years ago) link

So one should not judge her on the merit of actually performing a song well, this is a pop world and she is a pop singer and we need to judge her on image. So when I see a comment saying "at least she was hot" or something, it seems to me like looking past her shortcomings to support the image she's selling. Which is a sexpot.

i see in LDR's songs and videos the attempt to construct a persona with a particular erotic/romantic appeal

This i agree w 100%. And by disregarding the 'rockist' performance aspect of it all, really the only way to appreciate her live appearances is as a visual object. I'm not saying it's not sexist to do so, but if the artist is relying so heavily on her visual representation it shouldn't be a surprise that it comes up.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 17:05 (ten years ago) link

So one should not judge her on the merit of actually performing a song well, this is a pop world and she is a pop singer and we need to judge her on image.

this is just flat-out insane

Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 17:06 (ten years ago) link

again, if performing on a high profile show wasn't apparently a more central piece of her label's promotional plan for her at the moment than getting the song on the radio or the video on TV, this would be a moot point. there's no reason she had to make an SNL performance her first exposure to a large chunk of America, other than that they apparently got the opportunity and couldn't say no.

Whitechocolatespacecase (some dude), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 17:09 (ten years ago) link

this is just flat-out insane

yeah, got to agree (sorry, bruneau). i'm not saying that image construction trumps other aspects of a pop star's public offering, just that it does figure in somewhere and is reasonable to consider. frankly, i think that all people do this, not just pop stars. we all craft public personas, and most of us would like to be seen as sexy in some sense or other.

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 17:20 (ten years ago) link

well yeah

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 17:32 (ten years ago) link

Isn't image is a significant part of LDR's appeal though? If the live aspect is to be disregarded then what other aspects of her public offering should we be considering when viewing a performance such as the SNL?

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 17:42 (ten years ago) link

best strategy relative to the SNL performance is to view another channel

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 17:52 (ten years ago) link

xp By which I mean the 2009 debut that nobody heard at the time, not the new one, which is called Born to Die.

― Science, you guys. Science. (DL), Thursday, 19 January 2012 01:44 (8 hours ago)

ah yeah as Mark says, this really looks like at best a publishing demo, the cover more like a comp someone on t'interweb's made of some old unreleased or barely-released tracks recently, not an actual release she put out.

Θ ̨Θƪ (sic), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 23:54 (ten years ago) link

the sexist machinations in the gen shaming rhetoric around this go way past subtleties like "overt" and "obvious."

also this post:

in a certain way sexism is all over this incident. we have an artist whose entire act is either enacting particular sexist tropes about female passivity, male domination, a whole dynamic of neglect + pining, or at the very least problematizing + dialoguing that it. she records one single that that gets her a lot of attention. i'm not going to pretend that my love of that single has nothing to do w/ gender + sex. i found her performance in that video really sexy, i found her vocal performance really arresting, and titillating. that's often going on w/ music of both genders. partially due to the attention she got from that video (a video that was itself sexually problematic, and attention that was certainly sexualized) she was given an incredibly rare opportunity for such an inexperienced artist -- playing on SNL.

now we have a notably terrible performance from that artist. part of what made the performance terrible is what i wrote about in a post above: that instead of seeming confident, in control, savvy she came off as amateurish, naive, overwhelmed. part of the problem is that instead of being sexy she was almost childish. so it's not like sex + gender aren't appropriate here. but i think calling criticism here 'sexism' without explicating exactly how sex fits into the whole thing, is just an intellectual duck.

then on top of it, there are actual technical stuff about her performance that were imperfect. but yes, if she were someone else, maybe someone who had different dynamics in her song, or someone coming w/ a wider range of material + tropes, the reaction would be much different. but this reaction has as much to do with how she was marketed upfront.

― Mordy, Wednesday, January 18, 2012 12:25 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

p much reads like "what did you expect dressing like that?"

judith, Thursday, 19 January 2012 00:26 (ten years ago) link

what if she were on tv naked? would he be allowed to find her sexy then, it would it still be sexism.

iatee, Thursday, 19 January 2012 00:27 (ten years ago) link

like at least a small part of you has to know how bullshitty that sounds

judith, Thursday, 19 January 2012 00:30 (ten years ago) link

it's kinda long...but fairly articulate! i mean, there was thought involved. like, lots of thought.

scott seward, Thursday, 19 January 2012 00:39 (ten years ago) link

i'm sorry but you used a statement typically used after a girl gets raped w/r/t mordy finding someone on tv attractive

iatee, Thursday, 19 January 2012 00:41 (ten years ago) link

i agree with the main premise. or one of the main premises. she isn't really well-rounded enough to pull off what she's trying to pull off. and i agree with the childish aspect too. its like a kid playing dress-up. not an adult inhabiting a role. fiona apple was actually much more successful at this! for better or worse.

scott seward, Thursday, 19 January 2012 00:41 (ten years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcOKUWJZyak

do you not like slouching? (Eazy), Thursday, 19 January 2012 00:42 (ten years ago) link

her saving grace is: catchy tunes and decent production in the studio. or suitably atmospheric production anyway. she reminds me of every triphopper that wasn't portishead or massive attack. they've got the spirit, but lose the feeling. inmyveryhumbleopinion.

scott seward, Thursday, 19 January 2012 00:43 (ten years ago) link

like at least a small part of you has to know how bullshitty that sounds

tbf, equating "i found her sexy because she was dressed sexy" with "she deserved to be raped because she was dressed sexy" also sounds a little bullshitty

the objectionable part of the latter statement isn't the suggestion that certain modes of dress are sexy.

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Thursday, 19 January 2012 00:47 (ten years ago) link

the argument is pretty much that her failing to deliver on her "sexy image" justifies for the harsh backlash. a backlash that has a particular character to it, not one that you ever really see guys getting subjected to, not that there are no examples of guys being slammed, but i think pay attn to the characterisation of that response, which has been done already by that village voice (?) post and get bent and doesn't really need to be repeated, and really, in the end, theres this way in which it rests on a kind of entitlement to an image, or a curtain being pulled back. there's this reveal and subsequent humiliation. like this is the narrative, its sortof beyond creepy and the circularity of it is only underlined when people say "well she acted like she was gonna be really sexy so i mean"

judith, Thursday, 19 January 2012 00:55 (ten years ago) link

cant the argument just be that she is terrible?

call all destroyer, Thursday, 19 January 2012 00:57 (ten years ago) link

p much reads like "what did you expect dressing like that?"

honestly i don't even know how to respond to this. i'm not using the way she dresses, acts or sings to justify any kind of sexual violence against her and the suggestion that i am is... like unless you believe that any discussion of someone's sexuality is itself a form of sexual violence?

Mordy, Thursday, 19 January 2012 00:58 (ten years ago) link

fiona could teach lana a thing or two about owning a stage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5LhxqbmsZ4&feature=related

scott seward, Thursday, 19 January 2012 01:01 (ten years ago) link

fwiw, judith, and i wrote this above, i think that yes, some ppl on the internet (HRO seems to be the biggest offender, tho i haven't read his piece) are clearly criticizing her in language that scans as explicitly sexist. those ppl suck. at the same time, those ppl aren't (afaict) posting here on ilx so using them as a cudgel to beat back ppl criticizing her here is strawman-esque?

Mordy, Thursday, 19 January 2012 01:03 (ten years ago) link

i mean, fiona had a pretty limited palette too. and she also had catchy songs, hearbreakm laments, psychsexual drama, and decent production. AND she could stalk a stage and captivate. and pout. she was good at it! probably younger then lana when she had her heyday too. don't know how old people are anymore.

scott seward, Thursday, 19 January 2012 01:03 (ten years ago) link

"psychosexual"

scott seward, Thursday, 19 January 2012 01:04 (ten years ago) link

actually i'm guessing about the psychosexual element, cuz i don't remember her lyrics too well, but the big one had the boyfriend with the deviant lifestyle and all that. whatever that meant. and the seedy calvin klein video kinda went in that direction.

scott seward, Thursday, 19 January 2012 01:05 (ten years ago) link

sorry, i'm kinda derailing this other, uh, thing with fiona talk. carry on.

scott seward, Thursday, 19 January 2012 01:06 (ten years ago) link

i haven't read anything on hro about this, though a language that is explicitly sexist would be preferable to an endless displacement, where certain tropes are allowed to enter in that normally have no place but refuse to rise to the surface. i mean florence or feist or robyn or p much any harvest of "quirky chicks" buzz cycles where their authenticity is so easily toppled. its a pretty similar narrative that gets repeated, it has to do with unmasking in some sense. it has its own identifiable features and it does illustrate a gender dynamic, a way in which women artists can only be framed one way regardless so that their adoption of a certain image is also this thing that makes them easy to dismiss. and yeah this does all have a lot to do with rape discourses, which tend to feature heavily this need to blame women for their ways of self-presenting. it has implications that it doesn't for men. there are roads that go places. to point that out is not to call everybody a rapist but like seriously this thread reads super badly. i probably shouldn't have singled out one post by one poster. for that i'm sorry.

judith, Thursday, 19 January 2012 01:20 (ten years ago) link

As far as I can tell, LDR has no interest in owning a stage. She's aiming at a Dorothy Vallens vibe and doesn't have the life damage/acting chops to pull off that kind of mystique.

Plato’s The Cave In Claymation (Sanpaku), Thursday, 19 January 2012 01:27 (ten years ago) link

there are roads that go places?

Mordy, Thursday, 19 January 2012 01:28 (ten years ago) link

i'm not blaming ldr for how she's presenting herself. my post that you quoted above was showing the mismatch between how she presented herself on her recorded single and how she seemed to be trying and failing to present herself that way on SNL.

Mordy, Thursday, 19 January 2012 01:30 (ten years ago) link

also, for the record, i don't believe ldr should expect criticism + condemnation bc she dresses provocatively. i do think she should expect criticism bc she's a public figure and much like politicians, actors, and other people who have chosen to be in the spotlight, musicians (both male + female) can expect harsh things to be written about them. sometimes by ppl on ilx. i don't know if it's a good thing. it's probably a deeply embedded human thing.

Mordy, Thursday, 19 January 2012 01:38 (ten years ago) link

short of performing behind gauze in front of a million candles while standing on a wind machine, surrounded by brass buttons held at precise, oscillating angles aloft by a trained chorus of vassals, i'm not sure she could have synced the presentation of herself in the video with that of an uncontrolled performance on SNL

rocognise gnome (remy bean), Thursday, 19 January 2012 01:43 (ten years ago) link

musicians (both male + female) can expect harsh things to be written about them

but the nature of those things are often different for female musicians!

oh wait, you are the guy that was oblivious to the egregious gender stereotyping in Almost Famous. Why am I bothering?

sarahel, Thursday, 19 January 2012 01:44 (ten years ago) link

t/s potential gender insensitivity vs calling people rapey

blurgh (jjjusten), Thursday, 19 January 2012 01:51 (ten years ago) link

i called what he said rapey

judith, Thursday, 19 January 2012 01:54 (ten years ago) link

well now how could that possibly come off wrong

blurgh (jjjusten), Thursday, 19 January 2012 01:54 (ten years ago) link

i think it came off about right

judith, Thursday, 19 January 2012 01:55 (ten years ago) link

"i'm not saying you are an actual rapist, i am just saying that you say things the way a rapist would say them. no offense intended."

blurgh (jjjusten), Thursday, 19 January 2012 01:56 (ten years ago) link

her failing to deliver on her "sexy image" justifies for the harsh backlash.

― judith, Wednesday, January 18, 2012 4:55 PM (51 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

okay, but i didn't see anyone saying anything remotely like that ITT. you say that this thread reads badly, but if there's something concrete you object to, it'd help if you'd point it out. i agree, by the way, that there's a narrative of exposure and humiliation that we often attempt to enact with pop stars, especially female pop stars.

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Thursday, 19 January 2012 01:58 (ten years ago) link

^agreed. and it's despicable, in or out of ILX. but i don't think pointing the finger at mordy and calling his posts rapey is at all helpful.

uncle acid and the absquatulators (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 19 January 2012 02:34 (ten years ago) link

oh wait, you are the guy that was oblivious to the egregious gender stereotyping in Almost Famous. Why am I bothering?

i wasn't going to say anything but seriously? i disagreed w/ your reading of almost famous so it's not worth even having a conversation with me?

Mordy, Thursday, 19 January 2012 02:34 (ten years ago) link

*agreeing with contenderizer's last poing about ritual humiliation

uncle acid and the absquatulators (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 19 January 2012 02:37 (ten years ago) link

*point

uncle acid and the absquatulators (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 19 January 2012 02:37 (ten years ago) link

poing!

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Thursday, 19 January 2012 02:41 (ten years ago) link

haha

uncle acid and the absquatulators (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 19 January 2012 02:47 (ten years ago) link

xxp - whoa, i was pretty aggro an hour ago. basically, non-judgmentally, what seems obvious to me, doesn't seem obvious to you.

sarahell, Thursday, 19 January 2012 03:35 (ten years ago) link

mellow has 2 l's too

buzza, Thursday, 19 January 2012 03:37 (ten years ago) link

Delusional? Haha Who are you? Listen to yourself. She ain't ready to **** with the big dogs? LMFAO man who are you? Do you not understand how irrelevant your opinion even is? Can you hit a note in front of a hooters crowd let alone live on SNL yourself? This is what the **** I'm talking about man LMFAO. I'm sick of these mother****ers. I'm sick of these snobbish indie ****s and their Vampire Weeknd graphic tees and Coachella 3 day passes, I'm sick of these hipsters in their straw fedora hats and Clark's showing us their ankles walking down the street thinking they know everything about music and the industry just because they own pet sounds on vinyl, I'm sick of these bloggers, I'm sick of these faceless ****s on the Internet who think their opinion is the end all be all and have this fantasy in their head that what they say on their personal blogspot named after their favorite Michael Cera quote or their stupid ****ing tumblr with their pictures of Bon Iver and personal reviews of old Hitch**** and Kubrick films actually ****ing matter. That their meaningless, uninformed, irrelevant opinions actually reach the masses and some random person in Hong Kong or LA or ****ing Kansas actually gives a **** about SNL, or The " Big dogs" or even Lana her ****ing self. That the real world actually gives a **** because if they did, why the **** would her EP be selling? **** this ****. I'm not defending this performance. I'm just now getting up on all the information about this album but this **** has to stop. At some point these people are going to have to turn off their computers. Walk outside and realize that what they say and what they think really doesn't ****ing matter.

cock chirea, Thursday, 19 January 2012 09:26 (ten years ago) link

i am v much in favour of m@tt's fiona talk (and it strikes me as pretty relevant), and when the tennis is over i might continue it

irina-camelia begu (lex pretend), Thursday, 19 January 2012 10:08 (ten years ago) link

fiona is technically very talented which makes her involvement in this discussion unnecessary I think. She walked out on stage at a show I was at a couple months ago and was p incredible, she looked like she weighed ten pounds though

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 19 January 2012 10:13 (ten years ago) link

xp That is a fine rant. Assumed it was from somewhere else but found nothing when I googled it.

Science, you guys. Science. (DL), Thursday, 19 January 2012 11:01 (ten years ago) link

Did you try googling "their personal blogspot named after their favorite Michael Cera quote"?

uncle acid and the absquatulators (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 19 January 2012 13:35 (ten years ago) link

funnily enough, I did. Apparently, it's "You would like be the meanest wife ever."

Mark G, Thursday, 19 January 2012 13:43 (ten years ago) link

this morning i saw a news segment on Fuse about Lana Del Rey and her talking about how she doesn't like live TV, and then i changed the channel and MTV Hits had a news segment about Lana Del Rey responding to her 'haters,' it's kind of surreal that they're basically beaming this stuff out to a viewing audience that for the most part probably hasn't heard her music at all yet if they didn't see the SNL performances.

Planned Perrintweet (some dude), Thursday, 19 January 2012 14:01 (ten years ago) link

i can't say for sure, but I wouldn't be shocked if more people watch SNL than Fuse or MTV Hits

da croupier, Thursday, 19 January 2012 14:07 (ten years ago) link

well sure, duh. i just mean that they're doing this blanket media push on all these different outlets, and it's less "here's a new artist to be excited about" and more "here's someone you might've just heard of for the first time a week ago responding to their first big career controversy." it's weird.

Planned Perrintweet (some dude), Thursday, 19 January 2012 14:10 (ten years ago) link

i'm a sucker for her betty-boop squeals in "off to the races"

― ⚓ (gr8080), Tuesday, January 10, 2012 2:48 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

so otm

also the 'light of my life/fire of my loins' reminds me of most fav thread titles

Ebay, Light Of My Life, Fire Of My Loins, My Sin, My Soul

johnny crunch, Thursday, 19 January 2012 14:31 (ten years ago) link

xp Thanks - couldn't find it earlier for some reason

Science, you guys. Science. (DL), Thursday, 19 January 2012 14:51 (ten years ago) link

Tbh the reason I immediately jumped on that line was bcz I confused Michael Cera with John Cena

uncle acid and the absquatulators (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 19 January 2012 15:28 (ten years ago) link

...reviews of old Hitch**** and Kubrick films...

m0stlyClean, Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:43 (ten years ago) link

I'm sick of these indie snobs with their Urban Outfitter coupons and their Juno blu rays. It's truly astonishing to me how quick people are to hate instead of love and support. The performance was nothing to brag about for sure but my god, how about some support? Some encouraging words maybe? It's like the fan doesn't even exist anymore. It's just a bunch **** faces in high water tan skinny jeans and wing tips with Iphones surgically attached to their hands looking to be impressed while you perform on bended knee praying that their next tweet doesn't break you. **** outta here

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:54 (ten years ago) link

love this guy

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 19 January 2012 18:01 (ten years ago) link

Maybe this has been posted elsewhere but it fits here. LDR obsession turns Carles into Howard Beale, only more self-hating.

http://www.hipsterrunoff.com/2012/01/lana-me-our-dark-abusive-co-dependent-relationship-content-farm-carles.html

Science, you guys. Science. (DL), Thursday, 19 January 2012 20:52 (ten years ago) link

i finally saw that SNL performance, was pretty bad i guess but not that big of a deal, i don't know what ppl would expect from her

she seemed to be using a weird english accent kinda

the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 19 January 2012 21:02 (ten years ago) link

it's called "I haven't figured out how to adapt my classical voice teacher's technique to my pop music yet" syndrome

Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Thursday, 19 January 2012 21:03 (ten years ago) link

tbh, unless she lit herself on fire in the middle of the performance there's literally no SNL performance bad enough that couldn't be described as 'not that big of a deal.' We are dealing with one pop musician on a sketch comedy show. The stakes could be lower, but in the scheme of things, not by much.

Mordy, Thursday, 19 January 2012 21:05 (ten years ago) link

not sure how anyone can actually read HRO and find it "compelling"

omar little, Thursday, 19 January 2012 21:07 (ten years ago) link

Hitch****

!!

Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Thursday, 19 January 2012 21:09 (ten years ago) link

haven't read everything hro has written about ldr because I don't have 5 hours to spare but I don't think it can all be chalked up to sexism or whatever, he did the same thing w/ animal collective back in teh day

iatee, Thursday, 19 January 2012 21:09 (ten years ago) link

not sure how anyone can actually read HRO and find it "compelling"

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Thursday, 19 January 2012 21:10 (ten years ago) link

well that's true enough

omar little, Thursday, 19 January 2012 21:12 (ten years ago) link

LDR managed to sing this song perfectly well in dozens of other TV performances though she's never gonna be a must-watch gal but the weird thing is how she changed the tune for "every little thing that I do/I tell you all the time" which once followed the previous line but now in accent and intonation sound like tribute to great song from great time Ladykillers by Lush: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSgYHzACvMI&feature=related

Eyeball Kicks, Thursday, 19 January 2012 21:27 (ten years ago) link

Right, I also have "finally" seen the SNL performance.

I thought it was fine! Good, even.

Am I missing something?

Mark G, Friday, 20 January 2012 00:17 (ten years ago) link

your hearing aid

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 20 January 2012 00:18 (ten years ago) link

I'm sitting here with headphones on, nothing was out-of-tune, delivery was a little diffident but then that's the 'role' in the song, um, I don't buy it.

Really.

Anyway, I'm not going through 1,000 posts about it. You lot can carry on, I'm out.

Mark G, Friday, 20 January 2012 00:26 (ten years ago) link

well I think a handful of things in her delivery are what 'makes' the original song, and when she doesn't hit them the song sorta falls apart

iatee, Friday, 20 January 2012 00:28 (ten years ago) link

I just watched it for the first time. mostly just felt bad for her?

iatee,