Q Magazine EOY 2010:
1. Arcade Fire - The Suburbs2. Robert Plant - Band of Joy3. Plan B - The Defamation of Strickland Banks4. Laura Marling - I Speak Because I Can5. Vampire Weekend - Contra6. John Grant - Queen of Denmark7. Gorillaz - Plastic Beach8. The National - High Violet9. Paul Weller - Wake Up the Nation10. MGMT - Congratulations11. The Black Keys - Brothers12. Gil Scott-Heron - I'm New Here13. Beach House - Teen Dream14. Hot Chip - One Life Stand15. Yeasayer - Odd Blood16. Foals - Total Life Forever17. John Legend & The Roots - Wake Up!18. Manic Street Preachers - Postcards from a Young Man19. Grinderman - Grinderman 220. Take That - Progress21. Band of Horses - Infinite Arms22. Corinne Bailey Rae - The Sea23. LCD Soundsystem - This Is Happening24. Bryan Ferry - Olympia25. Kings of Leon - Come Around Sundown26. Klaxons - Surfing the Void27. Midlake - The Courage of Others28. Avi Buffalo - Avi Buffalo29. Interpol - Interpol30. Brandon Flowers - Flamingo31. The Chemical Brothers - Further32. The Drums - The Drums33. Tricky - Mixed Race34. The Dead Weather - Sea of Cowards35. Man Alive - Everything Everything36. The Roots - How I Got Over37. The Coral - Butterfly House38. Janelle Monae - The Archandroid39. I Am Kloot - Sky at Night40. Peter Gabriel - Scratch My Back41. Belle and Sebastian - Write About Love42. Tom Jones - Praise & Blame43. Skream - Outside the Box44. Villagers - Becoming a Jackal45. Cherry Ghost - Beneath This Burning Shoreline46. Joanna Newsom - Have One On Me47. Two Door Cinema Club - Tourist History48. Edwyn Collins - Losing Sleep49. Deerhunter - Halcyon Digest50. Steve Mason - Boys Outside
― World Series champion San Francisco Giants (Bee OK), Sunday, 28 November 2010 05:00 (thirteen years ago) link
paging Mitchell Stirling
― World Series champion San Francisco Giants (Bee OK), Sunday, 28 November 2010 05:01 (thirteen years ago) link
Decibel 2010 Albums Of The Year
1. Agalloch - Marrow of the Spirit2. Watain - Lawless Darkness3. Triptykon - Eparistera Daimones4. Dawnbringer - Nucleus5. Enslaved - Axioma Ethica Odini6. Torche - Songs for Singles7. Ludicra - The Tenant8. Thou - Summit9. Nails - Unsilent Death10. The Austerity Program - Backsliders and Apostates Will Burn11. Castevet - Mounds of Ash12.Immolation- Majesty and Decay13. Sailors With Wax Wings - Sailors With Wax Wings14. Coliseum - House With a Curse15. Horseback - The Invisible Mountain16. Kylesa - Spiral Shadow17. High on Fire - Snakes for the Divine18. Burzum - Belus19. Atheist - Jupiter20. Electric Wizard - Black Masses21. Deathspell Omega - Paracletus22. Kvelertak - Kvelertak23. Integrity- The Blackest Curse24. Ghost - Opus Eponymous25. Withered - Dualitas26. PIVIXKI - Gravissima27.Fear Factory - Mechanize28. Unearthly Trance - V29. Christian Mistress - Agony & Opium30. Nachtmystium - Addicts: Black Meddle Part II31. Deftones - Diamond Eyes32. Father Befouled - Morbid Destitution of Covenant33. The Body - All the Waters of the Earth Turn to Blood34. Early Graves - Goner35. Intronaut - Valley of Smoke36. Decrepit Birth - Polarity37. The Dillinger Escape Plan - Option Paralysis38. Hail of Bullets - On Divine Winds39. Lantlos - .Neon40. Darkthrone - Circle the Wagons
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Sunday, 28 November 2010 05:40 (thirteen years ago) link
lol at all these lists
― The Reverend, Sunday, 28 November 2010 05:50 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.largeheartedboy.com/blog/archive/2010/11/2010_yearend_on.html
― http://i54.tinypic.com/2vt2utg.gif (markers), Sunday, 28 November 2010 05:52 (thirteen years ago) link
^ list of lists
10. MGMT - Congratulations
ffs, really?!
― Lightning Is For Babies (Johnny Fever), Sunday, 28 November 2010 05:52 (thirteen years ago) link
control yourself
― http://i54.tinypic.com/2vt2utg.gif (markers), Sunday, 28 November 2010 05:53 (thirteen years ago) link
take only what you neeeeeeeeeeeeeed from it
that's a great site but the ILM thread's have been great over the years:
The 2009 Magazine Albums Of The Year Thread For Posting Lists and Discussion.
― World Series champion San Francisco Giants (Bee OK), Sunday, 28 November 2010 05:55 (thirteen years ago) link
oh yeah def! im all for this thread -- just wanted to drop that link here too
― http://i54.tinypic.com/2vt2utg.gif (markers), Sunday, 28 November 2010 06:00 (thirteen years ago) link
http://christianrock123.blogspot.com/2010/11/top-ten-albums-of-2010.html
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Sunday, 28 November 2010 06:02 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.nme.com/blog/index.php?blog=10&title=albums_of_2010_75_73&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Sunday, 28 November 2010 06:04 (thirteen years ago) link
This is from the xtianrock list. I have no idea who this band is, but I'm way into this cover (even as bad as it is):
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_mzSb8kli0i0/TO13ryfUqAI/AAAAAAAAAEA/9q9ZXZLMveI/s320/Write%2Bthis%2BDown.jpg
― Lightning Is For Babies (Johnny Fever), Sunday, 28 November 2010 06:07 (thirteen years ago) link
is Q Magazine always first? it seems that way.
― World Series champion San Francisco Giants (Bee OK), Sunday, 28 November 2010 06:07 (thirteen years ago) link
first out gets all the press in the dailies & websites and also gets big sales before people get fed up with list overload. But most of the magazines come out on the 1st of the month now
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Sunday, 28 November 2010 06:27 (thirteen years ago) link
so Q is big enough to get mentioned in daily newspapers and it will actually boost sales. Hence the lists get out.
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Sunday, 28 November 2010 06:28 (thirteen years ago) link
I think
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Sunday, 28 November 2010 06:32 (thirteen years ago) link
Mojo
50 Matthew Dear – Black City49 Ali Farka Toure & Toumani Diabate – Ali & Toumani48 John Legend & The Roots- Wake Up!47 Jane Weaver & Septieme Souer – The Fallen By Watch Bird46 Peter Gabriel – Scratch My Back45 Roky Erickson with Okkervil River – True Love Cast Out All Evil44 Swans – My Father Will Guide Me Up A Rope To The Sky43 The Besnard Lakes – Are The Roaring Night42 Kelley Soltz – To Dreamers41 Tom Jones – Praise and Blame40 Eli Paperboy Reed – Come and Get It39 Wyatt, Atzmon, Stephens – For The Ghosts Within38 Gonjasufi – A Sufi And A Killer37 Teenage Fanclub – Shadows36 LCD Soundsystem – This Is Happening35 M.I.A. - // / Y /34 Villagers – Becoming A Jackal33 The Roots – How I Got Over You32 Robert Plant – Band of Joy31 Neil Young – Le Noise30 Janelle Monae – The ArchAndroid29 Gill Scott-Heron – I’m New Here28 DangerMouse and Sparklehorse – Dark Night of The Soul27 Field Music – Field Music (Measure)26 Gorillaz – Plastic Beach25 Foals – Total Life Forever24 The Jim Jones Revue – Burning Your House Down23 Sharon Jones and The Dap Kings – I Learned The Hard Way22 Sam Amidon – I See The Sign21 Isobel Campbell & Mark Lanegan - Hawk20 Grinderman - Grinderman 219 Rumer – Seasons of My Soul18 Caribou – Swim17 Roots Manuva meets Wrongtom – Duppy Writer16 Aerial Pink’s Haunted Graffiti – Before Today15 Avi Buffalo – Avi Buffalo14 Manic Street Preachers – Postcards From A Young Man13 Joanna Newsom - Have One On Me12 Mavis Staples – You Are Not Alone11 Deerhunter – Halcyon Digest10 Doug Paisley – Constant Companion9 The Coral – Butterfly House8 Phosphorescent – Here’s To Taking It Easy7 Midlake – The Courage of Others6 Paul Weller – Wakes Up The Nation5 The Black Keys – Brothers4 Edwyn Collins – Losing Sleep3 MGMT – Congratulations2 Arcade Fire – The Suburbs1 John Grant – Queen of Denmark
Never heard of John Grant until I saw these lists, is it any good? Can't believe MGMT is #3 on the Mojo list, I thought it was an appalling mess.
― State Attorney Foxhart Cubycheck (Billy Dods), Sunday, 28 November 2010 09:51 (thirteen years ago) link
John Grant fka singer in The Czars. This album is as patchy as most Czars records were, but the transcendent moments still exist.
― Lightning Is For Babies (Johnny Fever), Sunday, 28 November 2010 11:25 (thirteen years ago) link
this year's EOY lists are going to be especially infuriating, i don't think i've liked ANY crit-hyped record this year (apart from laura marling, and even then that's just the UK), and most of my personal favourites have gone unnoticed rather
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Sunday, 28 November 2010 11:36 (thirteen years ago) link
I've only heard five albums on the Q list (Gorillaz, Black Keys, Interpol, LCD Soundsystem, Bryan Ferry).
― that's not funny. (unperson), Sunday, 28 November 2010 12:43 (thirteen years ago) link
I've heard six on the Mojo list (LCD Soundsystem, MIA, Neil Young, Gorillaz, Sharon Jones, Black Keys). Yes, now it can be told: I got the Swans album in the mail and never played it.
― that's not funny. (unperson), Sunday, 28 November 2010 12:45 (thirteen years ago) link
I got the Swans album in the mail and never played it.
i downloaded it but i'm afraid to play it for fear it will damage my (old) eardrums.
― Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 28 November 2010 13:00 (thirteen years ago) link
Not sure if we're including record shop lists, but the Piccadilly Records Top 100 is here. Top 20:
1 - Gil Scott-Heron I'm New Here 2 - The National High Violet 3 - Caribou Swim4 - Field Music Field Music (Measure) 5 - The Phantom Band The Wants 6 - Broken Bells Broken Bells 7 - Four Tet There Is Love In You8 - Shit Robot From The Cradle To The Rave 9 - LCD Soundsystem This Is Happening 10 - Sun Araw Off Duty / Boat Trip 11 - Beach House Teen Dream 12 - Thee Oh Sees Warm Slime 13 - The Black Angels Phosphene Dream 14 - Seahawks Ocean Trippin' 15 - The Hundred In The Hands The Hundred In The Hands 16 - Aloe Blacc Good Things 17 - Smoke Fairies Through Low Light & Trees 18 - Toro Y Moi Causers Of This 19 - Gonjasufi A Sufi And A Killer 20 - Erykah Badu New Amerykah Part 2 - Return Of The Ankh
My reaction is about 50% "Who?", 25% "No" and 25% "Yes!".
― seandalai, Sunday, 28 November 2010 13:24 (thirteen years ago) link
I have no idea what the final Wire list will look like, but here's the Top Ten I sent them:
1. Ayumi Hamasaki, Rock ’n’ Roll Circus (Avex Trax)2. High On Fire, Snakes for the Divine (E1)3. Rick Ross, Teflon Don (Def Jam)4. Ihsahn, After (The End)5. Shining, Blackjazz (The End)6. Inherit Disease, Visceral Transcendence (Unique Leader)7. Decrepit Birth, Polarity (Nuclear Blast)8. Negura Bunget, Vîrstele Pamîntului (Aural Music/Code 66)9. John Zorn, Ipsissimus (Tzadik)10. Rotting Christ, AEALO (Century Media)
― that's not funny. (unperson), Sunday, 28 November 2010 15:13 (thirteen years ago) link
Well, so far I adore three of the Piccadilly list. I like 6 of the Q list.
― Captain Ostensible (Scik Mouthy), Sunday, 28 November 2010 15:17 (thirteen years ago) link
2. High On Fire, Snakes for the Divine (E1)
It'll bring the lols if HOF get into the "avant rock" top 20 again
― Blackening Electrical Connections (Matt #2), Sunday, 28 November 2010 15:21 (thirteen years ago) link
i don't think i've liked ANY crit-hyped record this year
Me as well, with few exceptions... The fewest I can ever remember from any year.
― billstevejim, Sunday, 28 November 2010 15:46 (thirteen years ago) link
Unperson, have you done a separate list for the Latin music you listen to?
― curmudgeon, Sunday, 28 November 2010 16:03 (thirteen years ago) link
No, but I might do that on my blog. Also, The Wire asked for a Top Five list of reissues, and these were the first two:
1. Fania All-Stars, Ponte Duro: The Fania All-Stars Story (Fania)2. Los Saicos, ¡Demolición! The Complete Recordings (Munster)
― that's not funny. (unperson), Sunday, 28 November 2010 16:06 (thirteen years ago) link
just want to be the annual grouch to point out that it's FUCKING NOVEMBER
― overtheseas aeroplanes I have flown (k3vin k.), Sunday, 28 November 2010 16:12 (thirteen years ago) link
well played
― The Reverend, Sunday, 28 November 2010 16:20 (thirteen years ago) link
And you're expecting to be blown away, to have your whole perspective on 2010 altered, by exactly...what?...in the next four weeks?
― that's not funny. (unperson), Sunday, 28 November 2010 16:41 (thirteen years ago) link
well, it looks like these lists came out before kanye's album, for one thing.
― Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 28 November 2010 16:43 (thirteen years ago) link
(maybe that disc didn't make these lists, but . . .)
I think it's very imaginable that in a month's time an album could come out that would have made it on someone's list otherwise.
Yeah, not to mention that if these lists are coming out now, when were they actually finalized?
― _Rudipherous_, Sunday, 28 November 2010 16:45 (thirteen years ago) link
i think it's good to have a month (december) where little comes out but you have a chance to catch up and/or reevaluate before making your list.
― Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 28 November 2010 16:46 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm hopeful that I might find some good stuff on some of the December/EOY lists that I haven't heard yet.
― billstevejim, Sunday, 28 November 2010 16:47 (thirteen years ago) link
the ciara and diddy/dirty money albums aren't out yet. neither is the nicolas jaar compilation. the jazmine sullivan, kanye west, rihanna and yelawolf albums have only just been released (not that i like the kanye/rihanna ones but they were certainly anticipated for good reason). nov/dec release dates for big artists are par for the course in the music industry.
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Sunday, 28 November 2010 16:52 (thirteen years ago) link
big partists, particularly hip-hop, r&b and pop ones - it's just a commercially obvious time to release it
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Sunday, 28 November 2010 16:53 (thirteen years ago) link
*artists
ugh typos
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Sunday, 28 November 2010 06:04 (10 hours ago)
Dude [Visitor] //November 25 2010 at 11:42I see Sufjan Stevens got a complimentary nod because you all realised you'd be totally fucking lame if you ignored it completely. This angers me.
― calpolaris (nakhchivan), Sunday, 28 November 2010 17:00 (thirteen years ago) link
loooooool at the mgmt on this thread.
2010 has been terrific although you wouldn't have guessed it by looking on here.
― wheezy f baby (a hoy hoy), Sunday, 28 November 2010 17:01 (thirteen years ago) link
yup
― The Reverend, Sunday, 28 November 2010 17:03 (thirteen years ago) link
Wow, some kind of turning point for me -- I know and like 6 of the things on the Decibel list, which is more than on any of the other ones.
― a tenth level which features a single castle (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 28 November 2010 17:06 (thirteen years ago) link
And there's at least 3 or 4 more things on the Decibel list I really want to check out, which is also more true than for Q or Mojo.
― a tenth level which features a single castle (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 28 November 2010 17:08 (thirteen years ago) link
commenters under NME articles are so overwhelmingly miserable and solipsistic
― cthulhu thuggin (DJ Mencap), Sunday, 28 November 2010 17:11 (thirteen years ago) link
I see [x] got a complimentary nod because you all realised you'd be totally fucking lame if you ignored it completely
going to catch on in 2k11 imo
― calpolaris (nakhchivan), Sunday, 28 November 2010 17:15 (thirteen years ago) link
five years since 'no sufjan, no credibility' and, well, how life changes
― rip whiney g weingarten 03/11 never forget (history mayne), Sunday, 28 November 2010 17:19 (thirteen years ago) link
John Grant's my album of the year - unusually Mojo of me. I don't see it getting much ILX love though.
― The baby boomers have defined everything once and for all (Dorianlynskey), Sunday, 28 November 2010 17:45 (thirteen years ago) link
maybe it's a 'we ignored the czars mostly' thing so they overpraise his mediocre solo record.
― keythhtyek, Sunday, 28 November 2010 17:48 (thirteen years ago) link
Or maybe not.
― The baby boomers have defined everything once and for all (Dorianlynskey), Sunday, 28 November 2010 17:49 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't think it's a mediocre album.
― henry s, Sunday, 28 November 2010 18:08 (thirteen years ago) link
Not a magazine, but here's the Rough Trade Shops 100 of the year:
1. Caribou - Swim2. Gil Scott-Heron - I'm New Here3. These New Puritans - Hidden4. Caitlin Rose - Own Side Now5. Phosphorescent - Here's To Taking It Easy6. Darkstar - North7. Charlotte Gainsbourg - IRM8. Gold Panda - Lucky Shiner9. Wild Nothing - Gemini10. Tame Impala - Innerspeaker11. Broken Bells - Broken Bells12. Avi Buffalo - Avi Buffalo13. The National - High Violet14. Emeralds - Does It Look Like I’m Here?15. Beach House - Teen Dream16. Voice Of The Seven Thunders - Voice Of The Seven Thunders17. Perfume Genius - Learning18. Crocodiles - Sleep Forever19. The Black Keys - Brothers20. The Morning Benders - Big Echo- Foals - Total Life Forever21. Arcade Fire - The Suburbs22. Salem - King Night23. Brian Eno - Small Craft On A Milk Sea24. Dylan Leblanc - Paupers Field25. Joanna Newson - Have One On Me26. Matthew Dear - Black City27. Warpaint - The Fool28. Liars - Sisterworld29. LCD Soundsystem - This Is Happening30. John Grant - Queen Of Denmark31. Konono No 1 - Assume Crash Position32. Smoke Fairies - Through Low Light And Trees33. Surfer Blood - Astro Coast- Deerhunter - Halcyon Digest34. Villagers - Becoming A Jackal35. Crystal Castles - Crystal Castles36. Mount Kimbie - Crooks And Lovers37. Flying Lotus - Cosmogramma38. Best Coast - Crazy For You39. PVT - Church With No Magic40. Laura Marling - I Speak Because I Can41. Vampire Weekend - Contra42. Edwyn Collins - Losing Sleep43. Yeasayer - Odd Blood44. Midlake - The Courage Of Others45. The Soft Pack - The Soft Pack46. Sleigh Bells - Treats47. O Children - O Children48. Glasser - Ring49. Zola Jesus - Stridulum 250. Holly Miranda - The Magician's Private Library51. Sea Of Bees - Songs For The Ravens52. JJ - No353. Pantha Du Prince - Black Noise54. Twin Shadow - Forget55. Gonjasufi - A Sufi And A Killer56. Bear In Heaven - Beast Rest Forth Mouth57. Ariel Pink’s Haunted Graffiti - Before Today58. Cours Lapin - Cours Lapin59. Darwin Deez - Darwin Deez60. School Of Seven Bells - Disconnect From Desire61. Beach Fossils - Beach Fossils62. Shit Robot - From The Cradle To The Rave63. Jonsi - Go64. Dum Dum Girls - I Will Be65. Belle And Sebastian - Belle And Sebastian Write About Love66. Chilly Gonzales - Ivory Tower67. Connan Mokasin - Please Turn Me Into The Snat68. Holy Fuck - Latin69. The School - Loveless Unbeliever70. Tobacco - Maniac Meat71. Dios - We Are Dios72. Allo Darlin’ - Allo Darlin’73. Swans - My Father Will Guide Me Up A Rope To The Sky74. Male Bonding - Nothing Hurts75. El Guincho - Pop Negro76. Oneohtrix Point Never - Returnal77. Kort (Kurt Wagner And Cortney Tidwell) - Invariable Heartache78. Solar Bears - She Was Coloured In79. Free Energy - Stuck On Nothing80. Sufjan Stevens - The Age Of Adz81. Kings Go Forth - The Outsiders Are Back82. Grinderman - Grinderman 283. Dan Michaelson And The Coastguards - Shakes84. Stornoway - Beachcomber’s Windowsill85. Tamaryn - The Waves86. The Tallest Man On Earth - The Wild Hunt87. Four Tet - There Is Love In You88. Magic Kids - Memphis89. Marina And The Diamonds - Family Jewels90. Mystery Jets - Serotonin91. Black Angels - Phosphene Dream92. Danger Mouse And Sparklehorse - Dark Night Of The Soul93. Fool’s Gold - Fool’s Gold94. Frankie Rose And The Outs - Frankie Rose And The Outs95. Aloe Blacc - Good Things96. Drums Of Death - Generation Hexed97. Am - Future Sons And Daughters98. Field Music - Field Music (Measure)99. Hot Chip - One Life Stand100. Time And Spacemachine - Set Phazer To Stun
― henry s, Sunday, 28 November 2010 18:12 (thirteen years ago) link
I have 11.
― henry s, Sunday, 28 November 2010 18:14 (thirteen years ago) link
(Not tellin' which ones.)
― henry s, Sunday, 28 November 2010 18:15 (thirteen years ago) link
33 The Roots – How I Got Over You
love Mojo's inadvertent "we love this album so much we can't remember the exact title" over here
― some dude, Sunday, 28 November 2010 18:25 (thirteen years ago) link
― keythhtyek, Sunday, 28 November 2010 17:48 (33 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
I've not heard the album in question (dude is only on my radar at all cos two of my friends made a lol video for him, so I'm mildly o_0 about him being near the tops of these lists) but this makes no sense - why would mags have any obligation to care about him?
― cthulhu thuggin (DJ Mencap), Sunday, 28 November 2010 18:30 (thirteen years ago) link
They have an obligation to write about him because youtube commenters say he writes beautiful melodies
― curmudgeon, Sunday, 28 November 2010 19:18 (thirteen years ago) link
I really like the new MGMT, better than the first in fact.
― Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 28 November 2010 19:41 (thirteen years ago) link
dunno if it's in the 'spirit' of this thread but here is a bunch of dorks from bands etc listing their 'best sounds of 2010': http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2010/nov/28/best-sounds-2010?CMP=twt_gu
dude from Magnetic Man just edging out Antony in the thinly-disguised nepotism contest
― cthulhu thuggin (DJ Mencap), Sunday, 28 November 2010 19:49 (thirteen years ago) link
Serge Pizzorno, KasabianKaty B
I heard a tune on the radio that I liked so much that I went and bought it, which proves it must be the best thing I've heard this year, because no one buys anything these days! It was "On a Mission" by Katy B. I love the bass on it; it reminds me of the old rave days. And I don't know the first thing about who she is or who made the record, and I like that about it as well.
― rouxymuzak (nakhchivan), Sunday, 28 November 2010 19:52 (thirteen years ago) link
not following your emphasis tbh - wouldn't exactly expect Kasabian bro to study the pop landscape day-by-day
― cthulhu thuggin (DJ Mencap), Sunday, 28 November 2010 20:01 (thirteen years ago) link
as in she couldn't possibly have made it herself
― rouxymuzak (nakhchivan), Sunday, 28 November 2010 20:05 (thirteen years ago) link
tbf to kasabro, i guess his syntax allows that....but suggests otherwise
― rouxymuzak (nakhchivan), Sunday, 28 November 2010 20:11 (thirteen years ago) link
I had no idea who Serge Pizzorno was before I read that.
― Krampus Interruptus (NickB), Sunday, 28 November 2010 20:13 (thirteen years ago) link
Is that Plan B album (#3 on the Q list) generally considered a big deal in the U.K.? It comes out in the States in January, and the advance I heard was okay, but not what I'd call exciting. Didn't get through half of it, though. Maybe I'll listen to it more, maybe not.
Didn't realize people cared about the Robert Plant album (which I haven't heard, and don't expect I'd like much given his output over the past couple decades, but who knows), either. And Ludicra at #7 on the Decibel list is a surprise for me, too -- I liked an Alternative Tentcales EP they did several years ago called Fex Urbis Lex Orbis, but had no idea metal critics had since fallen for them in such a big way. (Assuming it's the same Ludicra, I guess.)
I agree Thanksgiving weekend is way too early to publish best-of-the-year lists, but I've said that for years. (Do publications that do that count December '09 releases as 2010, by the way? Or are all December, and presumably most November releases given deadlines, always just shit out of luck?) Doubt my own list will change much if any between now and year's end, but odder things have happened.
― xhuxk, Sunday, 28 November 2010 20:19 (thirteen years ago) link
the national?? really?? what a dire thing that record is.
― nonightsweats, Sunday, 28 November 2010 20:40 (thirteen years ago) link
National is a fucking bore, and the fact that p4k celebratest this .... well I don't even know.
i wuzzzz afraaaid i'd eat ur brainnnnnnnsi wuzzzzz afraiiid i'd eat ur brainnnnnnnscaus im evillllllllllcause im evillllllll
UUUUUUUUUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
― Good news, everyone! (kelpolaris), Sunday, 28 November 2010 20:43 (thirteen years ago) link
I really like the Plan B album, xhukx. It helps that I didn't get a copy when it came out so the singles just sneaked up on me one by one over the course of a few months. On first exposure it may seem like Mark Ronson-style retro-soul but it's packed with earworms and I like the tension between the violence and gloom of the lyrics and the sweetness of the voice and production. No more retro than the Cee Lo album at any rate so it would be nice to see Plan B make some impact in the US.
― The baby boomers have defined everything once and for all (Dorianlynskey), Sunday, 28 November 2010 21:33 (thirteen years ago) link
Enjoyed that bloke from MGMT declared DI Go Pop as his album of the year (in Mojo).
― djh, Sunday, 28 November 2010 21:42 (thirteen years ago) link
Listening to John Grant and not liking it. Sounds like sub-Silver Jews jokery and confessions backed by... Midlake
― i should loko (rip van wanko), Sunday, 28 November 2010 23:49 (thirteen years ago) link
that ludicra album is really good, fwiw. (and not an accident that two of the top 10 decibel albums have the same drummer, imo.)
― a tenth level which features a single castle (tipsy mothra), Monday, 29 November 2010 00:08 (thirteen years ago) link
the rough trade shops list is pretty good -- i can get behind a 1-2 punch of caribou + gil scott heron, that's unfuckwithable
looool @ mojo and q lists
― i look at the interior of my sack and feel sad (ilxor), Monday, 29 November 2010 04:30 (thirteen years ago) link
at closer examination, Q is really the worst offender here -- yaaaaaawn!
the Mojo list at least has a few more adventurous choices i can get behind (matthew dear, swans, gonjasufi, m.i.a. in 2010, neil young, gil scott heron, grinderman, caribou -- all great albums)
rough trade is a goldmine, i own close to 30 of those ^____^
decibel i'm satisfied having heard 7 of the 40, i'm not a HUGE metal fan but do need a little in my listening diet
― i look at the interior of my sack and feel sad (ilxor), Monday, 29 November 2010 04:43 (thirteen years ago) link
all lists need more hip-hop/r&b/dance btw
― some dude, Sunday, 28 November 2010 18:25 (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Its printed correctly in the magazine, was this not a typo on the part of whoever uploaded the list to the interwebs, ie not MOJO?
― it ain't about the sauce it's about the danger (stevie), Monday, 29 November 2010 08:16 (thirteen years ago) link
disappointed that taylor swift didnt make the decibel list
― markers, Monday, 29 November 2010 08:18 (thirteen years ago) link
I did the typo, I always do one just to see how far it travels.
posted before but
The Fly Magazine (Nov/Dec issue)
50 Wavves - King of The Beach49 Gold Panda - Lucky Shiner48 Connan Mockasin - Please Turn Me Into The Snat47 Menomena - Mines46 Jonsi - Go45 Midlake - The Courage of Others44 Kele - The Boxer43 Vampire Weekend - Contra42 Steve Mason - Boys Outside41 No Age - Everything In Between40 Archie Bronson Outfit - Coconut39 Delphic - Acolyte38 Dinosaur Pile-Up - Growing Pains37 Caribou - Swim36 Crocodiles - Sleep Forever35 Two Door Cinema Club - Tourist History34 Sufer Blood - Astro Coast33 Les Savy Fav - Root For Ruin32 Zola Jesus - Stridulum II31 Male Bonding - Nothing Hurts30 Chew Lips - Unicorn29 MGMT - Congratulations28 The Black Keys - Brothers27 Edwyn Collins - Losing Sleep26 Villagers - Becoming A Jackal25 Hot Chip - One Life Stand24 Laura Marling - I Speak Because I Can23 Los Campesinos! - Romance Is Boring22 Liars - Sisterworld21 Mystery Jets - Serotonin20 Gorrilaz - Plastic Beach19 Bombay Bicycle Club - Flaws18 Warpaint - The Fool17 Frightened Rabbit - The Winter of Mixed Drinks16 The Eighties Matchbox B-Line Disaster - Blood & Fire15 The Drums - The Drums14 Ariel Pink's Haunted Graffiti - Before Today13 Pulled Apart By Horses - Pulled Apart By Horses12 Sleigh Bells - Treats11 Best Coast - Crazy For You10 Beach House - Teen Dream09 Interpol - Interpol08 Yeasayer - Odd Blood07 The National - High Violet06 Avi Buffalo - Avi Buffalo05 Everything Everything - Man Alive04 These New Puritans - Hidden03 LCD Soundsystem - This Is Happening02 Arcade Fire - The Suburbs01 Foals - Total Life Forever
La Quenelle Culturelle
50) Grace Potter & The Nocturnals - Grace Potter & The Nocturnals49) Menomena - Mines48) The New Pornographers - Together47) Maximimum Balloon - Maximimum Balloon46) Da Brasilians - Da Brasilians45) Barton Carrol - Together You and I44) The Stone Foxes - Bears and Bulls43) The Tallest Man on Earth - The Wild Hunt42) The Parting Gifts - Strychnine Dandelion41) Mystery Jets - Serotonin40) Pete Molinari - A Train Bound For Glory39) Blackbird Blackbird - Summer Heart38) Joe Pug - Messenger37) The Go Find - Everybody Knows It's Going To Happen36) James Yuill - Movement In A Storm35) Angus & Julia Stone - Down the Way34) Forest City Lovers - Carriage33) Francois Morel - Le Soir Des Lions32) Spoon - Transference31) Good Old War - Good Old War30) Jonsi - Go29) Pure Reason Revolution - Hammer and Anvil28) Maps and Atlases - Perch Patchwork27) Ray LaMontagne - God Willin' and the Creek Don't Rise26) Jason Collett - Rat A Tat Tat25) Lone Wolf - The Devil and I24) Fyfe Dangerfield - Fly Yellow Moon23) Junip - Fields22) Avi Buffalo - Avi Buffalo21) Yeasayer - Odd Blood20) The Gaslight Anthem - American Slang19) Minus The Bear - Omni18) Saycet - Through The Window17) Mando Diao - Above and Beyond (MTV Unplugged)16) Uniform Motion - Life15) Laura Marling - I Speak Because I Can14) Dr. Dog - Shame, Shame13) Josh Ritter - So Runs The World12) Adam Kesher - Challenging Nature11) Janelle Monane - The Archandroid10) Kula Shaker - Pilgrims Progress9) Broken Bells - Broken Bells8) He's My Brother She's My Sister - Self-Titled EP7) She and Him - Volume Two6) The Black Keys - Brothers5) Gigi - Maintenant4) Folded Light - Kelly3) Portugal. The Man - American Ghetto2) Lightspeed Champion - Life Is Sweet! Nice To Meet You1) Kings of Leon - Come Around Sundown
Get Off the Coast : Favorite 25 of 2010
25. Twins - The Other Side Of (Ruralfaune)24. Lush Cola - Lush Cola (Patient Sounds)23. Dem Hunger - Caveman Smack (Leaving)22. RxRy - VAEIOUWLS (RxRy)21. Sumsun - Samo Milagro (Leaving)20. Ariel Pink's Haunted Graffiti - Before Today (4AD)19. Truman Peyote & Many Mansions - Peaced Together (Whitehaus Family Record)18. Emily Reo - Witch Mtn (Breakfast of Champs)17. GR†LLGR†LL - GR†LLGR†LL (Disaro)16. Ensemble Economique - Physcal (Not Not Fun)15. Woods - At Echo Lake (Woodsist)14. Twin Shadow - Forget (Terrible)13. Oneohtrix Point Never - Returnal (Editions Mego)12. High Wolf - Ascension (Not Not Fun)11. Autre Ne Veut - Autre Ne Veut (Olde English Spelling Bee)10. Julian Lynch - Mare (Olde English Spelling Bee)09. D'EON - Palinopsia (Hippos In Tanks)08. Velvet Davenport - Warmy Girls (Moon Glyph)07. Dylan Ettinger - New Age Outlaws (Not Not Fun)06. Crystal Castles - Crystal Castles (Universal Motown)05. Pocahaunted - Make It Real (Not Not Fun)04. Clive Tanaka y su orquesta - Jet Set Siempre 1° (Tall Corn Music)03. LA Vampires & Zola Jesus - LA Vampires meets Zola Jesus (Not Not Fun)02. Toro y Moi - Causers Of This (Carpark)01. How To Dress Well - Love Remains (Lefse)
About.com alternative
30. The Walkmen 'Lisbon'29. The Morning Benders 'Big Echo'28. Magic Kids 'Memphis'27. The Radio Dept. 'Clinging to a Scheme'26. Club 8 'The People's Record'25. Wildbirds and Peacedrums 'Rivers'24. Dirty Projectors and Björk 'Mount Wittenberg Orca'23. Ólöf Arnalds 'Innundir Skinni'22. Sam Amidon 'I See the Sign'21. Sharon Van Etten 'Epic'20. Mountain Man 'Made the Harbor'19. How to Dress Well 'Love Remains'18. Grimes 'Halfaxa'17. Here We Go Magic 'Pigeons'16. Twin Shadow 'Forget'15. Toro y Moi 'Causers of This'14. The Ruby Suns 'Fight Softly'13. Vampire Weekend 'Contra'12. Best Coast 'Crazy for You'11. Kisses 'The Heart of the Nightlife'10. Arcade Fire 'The Suburbs'9. Deerhunter 'Halcyon Digest'8. Beach Fossils 'Beach Fossils'7. Beach House 'Teen Dream'6. White Hinterland 'Kairos'5. Zola Jesus 'Stridulum EP4. Ariel Pink's Haunted Graffiti 'Before Today'3. Owen Pallett 'Heartland'2. Sufjan Stevens 'The Age of Adz'1. Joanna Newsom 'Have One On Me'
Amazon.co.uk
Black Keys - BrothersSleigh Bells - TreatsVampire Weekend - ContraBest Coast - Crazy for YouVillagers - Becoming a JackalSteve Mason - Boys OutsideMagnetic Man - Magnetic ManParkway Drive - Deep BlueArcade Fire - SuburbsCaribou - SwimPendulum - ImmersionChief - Modern RitualsImelda May - MayhemBeach House - Teen DreamTwo Door Cinema Club - Tourist HistoryThe National - High VioletBand of Horses - Infinite ArmsFoals - Total Life ForeverPlan B - The Defamation of Strickland BanksMeursault - All Creatures Will Make Merry
Dots and Dashes
20. Cosmogramma, Flying Lotus19. The Heart Of The Nightlife, Kisses18. Ariel Pink Before Today, Ariel Pink's Haunted Graffiti17. Disc-overy, Tinie Tempah16. Treats, Sleigh Bells15. False Priest, of Montreal14. Astro Coast, Surfer Blood13. Crooks & Lovers, Mount Kimbie12. Puzzle, Amiina11. $, Mark Sultan10. Sisterworld, Liars9. Blooming Summer, Blue Hawaii8. Together, The New Pornographers7. Pop Negro, El Guincho6. The Way Out, The Books5. Hidden, These New Puritans4. Plastic Beach, Gorillaz3. Lucky Shiner, Gold Panda2. Teen Dream, Beach House1. Swim, Caribou
Sonic (Sweden)
1. Håkan Hellström - 2 Steg Från Paradiset2. Radio Dept. - Clinging To A Scheme3. Anna von Hausswolff - Singing from the Grave4. Midlake - Courage of Others5. Merle Haggard - I am What I am6. Teenage Fanclub - Shadows7. Phosphorescent - Here's to Taking it Easy8. Beach House - Teen Dream9. Arcade Fire - Suburbs10. Ariel Pink's Haunted Graffiti - Before Today11. National - High Violet12. Big Boi - Sir Luscious Left Foot: The Son Of Chico Dusty13. First Aid Kit - Big Black & the Blue14. Tracey Thorn - Love and It's Opposite15. Sade - Soldier of Love16. Robyn - Body Talk Pt 117. Steve Mason - Boys Outside18. The-Dream - Love King19. Glasser - Ring20. Roky Erickson with Okkervil River - True Love Cast Out All Evil21. Lloyd Cole - Broken Records22. Säkert! - Facit23. The Drums - The Drums24. Caribou - Swim25. Salem - King Night
― Mitchell Stirling, Monday, 29 November 2010 12:20 (thirteen years ago) link
Here's the rest of Mojo.
Re-issues
20 Various - Alan Lomax In Haiti19 Lightni'g Hopkins - His Blues18 Kenny Graham And His Satellites - Moondog Suite17 Charanjit Singh - Ten Ragas To A Disco Beat16 Galaxie 500 - On Fire15 Sandsy Denny - Sandy Denny14 Neu! - Box13 Bob Dylan - The Mono Box12 Kris Kristofferson - Please Don't tell Me How the Story Ends: The Publishing Demos 1968-197211 David Bowie - Station To Station10 Various - Theme Time Radio Hour Vol. 39 R.E.M. - Fables of The Reconstruction8 The Teardrop Explodes - Kilimanjaro: Deluxe Edition7 Robert Wyatt - His Greatest Misses6 Bob Dylan - The Bootleg Series Vol. 9: The Witmark Demos5 Miles Davis- Bitches Brew: Collector's Edition4 Iggy and The Stooges - Raw Power3 Jimi Hendrix - West Coast Seattle Boy2 The Rolling Stones - Exile on Main St: Deluxe Edition1 Bruce Springsteen - The Promise
Track of The Year: Janelle Monae - 'Tightrope'Book of The Year: Rob Young - 'Electric Eden'DVD of The Year: White, The Edge, Page - It Might Get LoudReturn of The Year: Edwyn Collins
Best of the rest
Jazz
10 John Ellis & Double-Wide - Puppet Mischief9 Esperanza Spalding - Chamber Music Society8 Nigel Price - Organ Trio... Live!7 Paul Motian - Lost In A Dream6 Secret Quartet - Bloor Street5 Tom Harrell - Roman Nights4 Ivo Neame - Caught In The Light of The Day3 Django Bates - Beloved Bates2 Grigoryan Brothers - Distance1 Phronesis - Alive
Reggae Reissues
10 King Tubby - The Roots of Dub9 Sound Iritation - Sound Iritation In Dub8 Evolution of Dub: Vol 5 - The Missing Link7 The Flying Lizards - The Secret Dub Life of The Flying Lizads6 Dadawah - Peace and Love5 King Tubby & The Aggrovaters - Shalom Dub4 Prince Jammy - Strictly Dub3 Gregogry Issacs - Private Lesson2 Henry Junjo - Volcano Eruption1 Lee Parry and The Upsetter - Sound System Scratch
Soundtracks
10 Various - Flipper Pyschout9 Various - Shutter Island8 Brian McBride - The Effective Disconnect7 Hans Zimmer - Inception6 Maurice Jarre - Lawrence of Arabia5 Michael Small - Marathon Man/The Parallax View4 Ray Budd - Get Carter3 Lalo Schifrin - Bullit2 Teho Teardo - Soundtrack Work 2004-20081 The The - Tony: A Soundtrack
Blues
10 Pokey LaFarge & The South City Three - Riverboat Soul9 Cyndi Lauper - Memphis Blues8 Jimmy Dawkins - Presents The Leric Stroy7 Joe Bonamassa - Black Rock6 Various - Fire In My Bones.. Raw + Rare Otherworldy African-American Gospel (1944-2007)5 Janiva Magness - The Devil is An Angel Too4 Oli Brown - Heads I Win Tales You Lose3 Guitar Shorty - Bare Knuckle2 Lightnin' Hopkins - His Blues1 Various - Things About Comin' My Way: A Tribute To The Music Of The Mississippi Shieks
Folk
10 Emily Portman - The Glamoury9 O'Hooley & Tidlow - Silent June8 The Imagined Village - Empire & Love7 Pete Coe - Backbane6 Ian King - Panic Grass & Fever Few5 Alasdair Roberts and Friends - Too Long In This Condition4 Ewan McLennan - Rags and Riches3 Bellowhead - Hedonism2 The Burns Unit - Side Show1 Eliza Carthy & Norma Waterson - Gift
Electronica
10 LCD Soundsystem - This Is Happening9 Caribou - Swim8 Reboot - Shunyata7 Superpitcher - Kilmanjiro6 Phaeleh - Fallen Light5 Gold Panda - Lucky Shiner4 Luke Abbot - Holkham Drones3 Matthew Dear - Black City2 Actress - Splazsh1 Walls - Walls
Americana
10 Mountain Man - Made The Harbor9 Isobel Campbell and Mark Lanegan - Hawk8 Simon Joyner - Out Into The Snow7 Kort - Invariable Heartache6 Rocky Votolao - True Devotion5 Bonnie 'Prince' Billy & The Cairo Gang - The Wonder Show of The World4 Justin Townes Earle - Harlem River Blues3 Curtis Harvey - Box of Stones2 Dave Rawlings Machine - A Friend of A Friend1 Willie Nelson - Country Music
World
10 Tamikrest - Adagh9 Marcos Valle - Estatica8 Sa Dingding - Harmony7 Grupo Fantasma - El Existential6 Hangai - Juan Zou De Rem5 Ali Farka Toure & Toumani Diabate – Ali & Toumani4 Konono No. 1 - Assume Crash Postion3 The Chieftains ft. Ry Cooder - San Patrico2 Carolina Chocolate Drops - Genuine Negro Jig1 AfroCubism - AfroCubism
Underground
10 Sun Araw - On Patrol9 Rachel Grimes - Book of Leaves8 Harvey Milk - A Small Turn of Human Kindness7 Richard Skelton - Landings6 Barn Owl - Ancestral Star5 Sophie Hutchings - Becalmed4 Black Breath - Heavy Breathing3 Tape & Bill Wells - Fugue2 Peter Broderick How They Are1 Endless Boogie - Full House Head
― Mitchell Stirling, Monday, 29 November 2010 12:21 (thirteen years ago) link
I see Caribou showing up a lot, but it's unclear yet if there will be an equivalent to last year's GAPDY. Possible contenders:
Arcade FireDeerhunterJoanna NewsomSufjan StevensYeasayerLCD SoundsystemVampire WeekendAerial PinkKanye West
YAKSVJALD?SLAKYJAVD?
Here's a list of lists that I find interesting, and the date they came out last year. Not necessarily all that similar to my own tastes, but are unique enough that they always have some must-hear entries I missed earlier in the year. Anyone got the Rock-A-Rolla list?
Quietus, Dec 8FACT, Dec 11The Wire, Dec 14Brainwashed, Jan 4Silent Ballet, Dec 25Rock-A-Rolla, Nov 25Decibel, Nov 25Terrorizer, Dec 31Treblezine, Dec 14Cokemachineglow, Dec 22Resident Advisor, Dec 17Artrocker, Dec 3
These are more along lines of general critical consensus, and have few surprises, but generally okay choices, at least for my tastes.
Pitchfork, Dec 18NME, Nov 30 (Dec 8 last year)PopMatters, Dec 14Stereogum, Dec 10Drowned In Sound, Dec 14Onion A.V. Club, Dec 9Guardian, Dec 18
― Fastnbulbous, Monday, 29 November 2010 18:44 (thirteen years ago) link
I think rock-a-rolla was out not that long ago so im not sure if there will be another out before dec. I subscribe so I'll put it up if there is one in dec.
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Monday, 29 November 2010 18:48 (thirteen years ago) link
Walls @ number one in the Mojo electronica poll is a weird one - didn't think it was all that.
Anyone want to tell me about any of these?
Sophie Hutchings - BecalmedBlack Breath - Heavy BreathingTape & Bill Wells - FugueReboot - ShunyataPhaeleh - Fallen LightLuke Abbot - Holkham Drones
― Krampus Interruptus (NickB), Monday, 29 November 2010 19:23 (thirteen years ago) link
Black Breath is a really really great thrashy deathy punky metal band who fall squarely into the 'people who like this sort of thing will find it to be the sort of thing they like' category
― smoking on his cigarette / listening to a Carcass set (DJ Mencap), Monday, 29 November 2010 20:05 (thirteen years ago) link
Where's the fucking Fall in all these fucking lists? And Liars? And Swans? Gah, I'm going back to bed. Unperson's is better than most of these magazine's... and that dude's got pretty far out taste in music.
And by most, I mean all.
― Carl Jung Jeezy (Doran), Monday, 29 November 2010 20:42 (thirteen years ago) link
Tape + Bill Wells is wonderful, well worth the ~£3 it costs to download. Dreamy melodic textures in an Ashra kind of vein.
― seandalai, Monday, 29 November 2010 20:50 (thirteen years ago) link
Okay, might well jump for that at that price. Enjoyed the last Tape album, not really familiar with what Bill Wells does though (but have been seeing his name around since forever).
Black Breath - sounds like an odd one for Mojo to get behind?
― Krampus Interruptus (NickB), Monday, 29 November 2010 21:45 (thirteen years ago) link
Feel like it might be one writer riding primarily for them but hey all good by me
― smoking on his cigarette / listening to a Carcass set (DJ Mencap), Monday, 29 November 2010 21:57 (thirteen years ago) link
They've got a couple of dedicated "underground" writers who take turns on that column and there are a few other heads there. They have, for example, run sizeable features on SunnO))) and Slayer in the last year.
― Carl Jung Jeezy (Doran), Monday, 29 November 2010 22:35 (thirteen years ago) link
10) Kula Shaker - Pilgrims Progress9) Broken Bells - Broken Bells8) He's My Brother She's My Sister - Self-Titled EP7) She and Him - Volume Two6) The Black Keys - Brothers5) Gigi - Maintenant4) Folded Light - Kelly3) Portugal. The Man - American Ghetto2) Lightspeed Champion - Life Is Sweet! Nice To Meet You1) Kings of Leon - Come Around Sundown
oh wow
― rmad and dangerous (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 00:29 (thirteen years ago) link
that versus the mojo top 10 is a grim, grim contention
― rmad and dangerous (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 00:30 (thirteen years ago) link
Re Tape: My Ashra comparison was kind of off, they don't have any Gottsching guitar heroics going on, it was just the first thing that came into my head. If you liked previous Tape albums then I'd say you'll like this.
I'm only familiar with Bill Wells through collaborations like the Maher Shalal Hash Baz + BW album from 2009(?); he seems to be a good fit for Tape because I don't think Fugue sounds that different from Rideau or Luminarium (more piano maybe?).
― seandalai, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 00:37 (thirteen years ago) link
I haven't heard more than like 5 on any of these.
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 04:17 (thirteen years ago) link
Joanna Newsome's album is getting a bit of a kicking UK polls wise (Rough Trade, Q, Mojo, NME...). I mean considering i seem to have read a million things about it being you know 'as good as YS only deeper, with more resonance..' amd all that hooey. people have decided it's not much cop it seems, even at this short distance from it's release.
― piscesx, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 04:27 (thirteen years ago) link
^ a welcome development imo
― Lightning Is For Babies (Johnny Fever), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 04:28 (thirteen years ago) link
What's the consensus on the Black Keys over here? I've seen them appearing on several lists and thought it was enjoyable enough to deserve the mention on rockist magazines.
― Moka, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 04:41 (thirteen years ago) link
Much better than Kings of Leon and MGMT at least
― Moka, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 04:42 (thirteen years ago) link
^^^pretty much says it all
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 04:45 (thirteen years ago) link
A ringing endorsement!
― Badmotorfinger Debate Club (MFB), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 04:47 (thirteen years ago) link
"This piece of crap smells less bad than these other two pieces of crap over here!"
― "I am a fairly respected poster." (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 04:48 (thirteen years ago) link
Also when you're listing 50 or 100 records and not a single one is the Rangda LP your net credibility drops to zero.
― Badmotorfinger Debate Club (MFB), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 04:49 (thirteen years ago) link
(Full disclosure, I actually don't hate that new Black Keys. It isn't great, but when I'm forced to hear it I don't totally mind.)
― "I am a fairly respected poster." (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 04:49 (thirteen years ago) link
the Rangda LP
Heard it. Not a fan.
― Lightning Is For Babies (Johnny Fever), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 04:52 (thirteen years ago) link
The Joanna Newsom suffers due to its length, plus however much opinion coalesces in the short term, I think, given time, it will be her Tusk or her Sandinista.
Okay, I'm only being slightly facetious there. It is a brilliant album, rich and rewarding, but the effort needed for those rewards is commensurate, and most people—even (especially?) music critics—don't have the luxury of that time commitment in a crowded arena.
Then again, I'm apparently way out of step with ILM on both this record and the National's, so ymmv, etc.
― tubby permacrocked whorefucker (Lostandfound), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 05:07 (thirteen years ago) link
Rangda zoomed into my top 5 at number 5 </newsyoucanuse> but of all the lists posted so far I'd not really expect it to be on any of their radars save for Mojo's
― smoking on his cigarette / listening to a Carcass set (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 08:05 (thirteen years ago) link
oh shit, didn't realize there was a Tape album this year! Their song on this fantastic soundtrack is v much worth checking out: http://www.normanrecords.com/cd/107363-various-halsningar-fran-skogen-greetings-from-the-woods
― Here we are in a sticky situation/ (Tape Store), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 08:22 (thirteen years ago) link
here you go:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qXOw9R-EPU
― Here we are in a sticky situation/ (Tape Store), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 08:23 (thirteen years ago) link
1. Ayumi Hamasaki, Rock ’n’ Roll Circus (Avex Trax)
Have you written about this anywhere? I'm checking it out now anyway, intrigued. I love her at her best, didn't know this was that.
― abcfsk, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 09:18 (thirteen years ago) link
Joanna Newsom I've heard won Uncut, not seen this confirmed though. Another two records that I thought might do a lot better have probably suffered from their respective release dates at either end of the year; These New Puritans and The Phantom Band.
― Mitchell Stirling, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 09:24 (thirteen years ago) link
That Rangda album is pretty good... I mean obviously it's a lot better than MGMT and KOL but a world beater? Not so sure.
― Carl Jung Jeezy (Doran), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 11:09 (thirteen years ago) link
the rangda alb is gd, but the live shows were way way better (see also: swans!)
haven't seen sun city girls on any of these lists, either
― Ward Fowler, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 11:13 (thirteen years ago) link
Kind of surprised that Charlotte Gainsbourg only appears on the Rough Trade list - I thought her album would get wider recognition.
― seandalai, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 11:46 (thirteen years ago) link
NME
75. The Eighties Matchbox B-Line Disaster, 'Blood And Fir74. Sufjan Stevens, 'Age Of Adz'73. Interpol, 'Interpol'72. Male Bonding, 'Nothing Hurts'71. Field Music, 'Field Music (Measure)'70. Broken Social Scene, 'Forgiveness Rock Record69. Happy Birthday, 'Happy Birthday'68. Edwyn Collins, 'Losing Sleep'67. The Dillinger Escape Plan, 'Option Paralysis'66. Gorillaz, 'Plastic Beach'65. Robyn, 'Body Talk Pt 1'64. Walls, 'Walls'63. Perfume Genius, 'Learning62. Gil Scott-Heron, 'I'm New Here'61. Flying Lotus, 'Cosmogramma'60. Belle And Sebastian, 'Write About Love'59. Errors, 'Come Down With Me'58. Crocodiles, 'Sleep Forever'57. Joanna Newsom, 'Have One On Me'56. Mount Kimbie, 'Crooks & Lovers'55. Ikonika, 'Contact, Love, Want, Have'54. First Aid Kit, 'The Big Black and The Blue'53. Kelis, 'Flesh Tone'52. Dum Dum Girls, 'I Will Be'51. Charlotte Gainsbourg, 'IRM'50. Frightened Rabbit, 'The Winter of Mixed Drinks'49. Surfer Blood, 'Astro Coast'48. My Chemical Romance, 'Danger Days'47. Pulled Apart By Horses, 'Pulled Apart By Horses'46. Paul Weller, 'Wake Up The Nation'45. Four Tet, 'There Is Love In You'44. Manic Street Preachers, 'Postcards From A Young Man'43. Everything Everything, 'Man Alive'42. Mystery Jets, 'Serotonin'41. Steve Mason, 'Boys Outside'40. Sleigh Bells, 'Treats'39. Magnetic Man, 'Magnetic Man'38. Big Boi, 'Sir Lucious Left Foot: The Son Of Chico Dusty'37. Lonelady, 'Nerve Up'36. Hurts, 'Happiness'35. Glasser, 'Ring'34. Kanye West, 'My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy'33. Marina And The Diamonds, 'The Family Jewels'32. Islet, 'Wimmy' (EP)31. Crystal Castles, 'Crystal Castles'30. Klaxons, 'Surfing The Void'29. No Age, 'Everything In Between'28. New Young Pony Club, 'The Optimist'27. Best Coast, 'Crazy For You '26. Les Savy Fav, 'Root For Ruin'25. Avi Buffalo, 'Avi Buffalo'24. Vampire Weekend, 'Contra'23. Ariel Pink's Haunted Graffiti, 'Before Today'22. Swans, 'My Father Will Guide Me Up A Rope To The Sky'21. Janelle Monae, 'The ArchAndroid'20. Deerhunter, 'Halcyon Digest'19. MGMT, 'Congratulations'18. Warpaint, 'The Fool'17. Factory Floor, 'Untitled'16. Grinderman, 'Grinderman 2'15. Yeasayer, 'Odd Blood'14. The Fall, 'Your Future, Our Clutter'13. Gayngs, 'Relayted'12. Caribou, 'Swim'11. The National, 'High Violet'10. The Drums, 'The Drums'9. Liars, 'Sisterworld'8. Salem, 'King Night'7. Zola Jesus, 'Stridulum II'6. Foals, 'Total Life Forever'5. Laura Marling, 'I Speak Because I Can'4. LCD Soundsystem, 'This Is Happening'3. Beach House, 'Teen Dream'2. Arcade Fire, 'The Suburbs'1. These New Puritans, 'Hidden'
― Mitchell Stirling, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 12:23 (thirteen years ago) link
NME list is better than I would have expected.
― seandalai, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 12:25 (thirteen years ago) link
62. Gil Scott-Heron, 'I'm New Here'55. Ikonika, 'Contact, Love, Want, Have'53. Kelis, 'Flesh Tone'51. Charlotte Gainsbourg, 'IRM'38. Big Boi, 'Sir Lucious Left Foot: The Son Of Chico Dusty'35. Glasser, 'Ring'5. Laura Marling, 'I Speak Because I Can'
i'll rep for these at least
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 12:27 (thirteen years ago) link
nme list says 'this are the only 75 records we have decided to listen to, in an order i guess'
― wheezy f baby (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 12:29 (thirteen years ago) link
NME list isn't bad at all, and I certainly can't argue with their #1.
― mike t-diva, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 12:30 (thirteen years ago) link
I too think that is a pretty decent list, a lot of stuff I'd not expect on it that high like Zola Jesus. Have to throw the question up though, if that's one of the top 10 albums of the year, why not put her on the cover?
― Mitchell Stirling, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 12:31 (thirteen years ago) link
― wheezy f baby (a hoy hoy)
Most publications have this problem, when Pitchfork publishes it's writer's lists it will mainly be the same 150 albums appearing in 75% of the slots.
― Mitchell Stirling, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 12:32 (thirteen years ago) link
Impressed they put These New Puritans at the top. Impressed generally by what Krissi Murison is doing with the NME. This is much more like the NME lists I read 15-20 years ago which helped me to discover records rather than simply affirm what I already knew.
― The baby boomers have defined everything once and for all (Dorianlynskey), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 12:49 (thirteen years ago) link
So far, I'm surprised how far Joanna Newsom's stock has fallen and how much MGMT's has held, or even risen. I expected that record to be invisible come the end of the year.
― The baby boomers have defined everything once and for all (Dorianlynskey), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 12:53 (thirteen years ago) link
Was looking everywhere through that NME list to see where TNP were, amazed and really quite glad to see it at #1. Quite a few other nice surprises there too - Zola Jesus, Glasser, Charlotte Gainsbourg, Lonelady...
― Krampus Interruptus (NickB), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 12:58 (thirteen years ago) link
I agree with the NME's album of the year. Don't think that's happened in a very long time.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 12:58 (thirteen years ago) link
One record really missing out so far is the Knife - wasn't even in the Swedish chart upthread.
― Krampus Interruptus (NickB), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 12:59 (thirteen years ago) link
^^^this
― rmad and dangerous (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 12:59 (thirteen years ago) link
Also dull as a lot of these lists are, I can't see 2010 having a consensus as soul-crushing as GAPDY.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 13:00 (thirteen years ago) link
So far, I'm surprised how far Joanna Newsom's stock has fallen
i'm not really - it's def the kind of album that can impress on first listen, but then gets tidied away and not thought about after that.
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 13:01 (thirteen years ago) link
for the record i think that nme list is in general as dreadful as ever and full of some AWFUL records, especially near the top #smgdh #kmft
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 13:02 (thirteen years ago) link
That Klaxons album must be terrible to only make #30 in the NME list.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 13:03 (thirteen years ago) link
pretty sure mcnicholas era lists were worse than that
― rouxymuzak (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 13:05 (thirteen years ago) link
My point isn't that Rangda should be #1 it's that these lists show how segregated music journalism has become... nearly every list so far, with minor subjective tweaks, is consensus indie rock + anointed R&B/rap/hip-hop/dance music + token world music phenom and/or reissue. That Mojo "underground" list is what really brought it home...in what universe are Harvey Milk, Sun Araw and Peter Broderick measured against each other? Whereas the top 10-20 of a lot of this these lists by and large sound very similar to my ears.
― Badmotorfinger Debate Club (MFB), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 13:07 (thirteen years ago) link
20. Deerhunter, 'Halcyon Digest'19. MGMT, 'Congratulations'16. Grinderman, 'Grinderman 2'15. Yeasayer, 'Odd Blood'14. The Fall, 'Your Future, Our Clutter'13. Gayngs, 'Relayted'11. The National, 'High Violet'10. The Drums, 'The Drums'6. Foals, 'Total Life Forever'4. LCD Soundsystem, 'This Is Happening'3. Beach House, 'Teen Dream'2. Arcade Fire, 'The Suburbs'1. These New Puritans, 'Hidden'
^^there isn't much WORSE you can actually get from a top 20 with those acts in it
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 13:07 (thirteen years ago) link
like seriously if you think any of them contributed to the best music of 2010 then GOD HELP YOU
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 13:08 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah rly needed some 'xallops here
― rouxymuzak (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 13:09 (thirteen years ago) link
NME is a lot better. The problem is that all the people saying it's a lot better are not in their target market of 15-25yos, who are deserting it in their thousands. Several issues this year have apparently barely scraped past 20,000.
― ithappens, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 13:10 (thirteen years ago) link
fwiw i've only heard lcd of those but cmon, the fall vs mid 00s landfill indie isn't even a thing
― rouxymuzak (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 13:10 (thirteen years ago) link
Not a Fall fan then, Lex?
― State Attorney Foxhart Cubycheck (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 13:11 (thirteen years ago) link
lex plz refrain from trying to engage with the fall and play nice
― rmad and dangerous (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 13:11 (thirteen years ago) link
the fall are unlistenable, tho i'll take him/them/whatever over fucking gayngs, who seem to have fooled people with usually-reliable taste this year, and the boring-ass greyness of deerhunter and the national, and the middle-aged accountant take on rock of grinderman, and those fucking wimps the drums, and seriously why do foals still exist, and anyone repping for lcd soundsystem must have totally missed the point of them when they were good. SO MUCH H8 SO MUCH H8
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 13:16 (thirteen years ago) link
http://cdn.pitchfork.com/media/2979-hex-enduction-hour.jpg
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― rouxymuzak (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 13:16 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm surprised to see The Fall in the NME list, it must be the first time they've appeared since the mid 90's when they used to appear every single year. It must have been a while since Paul Weller made the list too, that probably has something to do with them putting him on the cover the other week.
It's a shame they left out Hot Chip, it's probably going to end up being my album of the year.
― Kitchen Person, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 13:20 (thirteen years ago) link
Previously in NME top 20s since 2000
Coldplay, Richard Ashcroft, Starsailor, Slipknot, Aphex Twin's 'Drukqs', The Vines, The Datsuns, The Music, The Distillers, Hot Hot Heat, Jet, Muse, Razorlight, U2, The Magic Numbers, Art Brut, The Rakes, Babyshambles, Kasabian, My Chemical Romance, Biffy Clyro, Panic! At The Disco and Jamie T
So compared to the years those came from it's much better and I can see the development in the list has been influenced by the new staff members. It could have had The Courteeners, Two Door Cinema Club, Kate Nash, The Hold Steady, Band Of Horses, Dead Weather, The Gaslight Anthem, Kele Okerke, Weezer, Brandon Flowers, Get Cape. Wear Cape. Fly etc etc etc collectively much worse than Lex's selections from the top 20.
― Mitchell Stirling, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 13:29 (thirteen years ago) link
I agree with Lex that the NME top 20 is mostly dull but probably for a different reason. Given it's an NME list, I'd say what was missing was youth or exuberance or star quality or noise. You know, ROCK MUSIC.
Part of the problem with the ongoing Pitchforkisation of the Brit music press is that it feels a bit cardigan-wearing, a bit daddish. Laura Marling and The Drums are the closest things in that top 10 to what the kids are actually listening to. Generally speaking they aren't listening to NME guitar music, and if they're listening to guitars at all they're listening to Kerrrang! guitars, and the NME still isn't adequately covering the other stuff they ARE listening to.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 13:35 (thirteen years ago) link
I dislike Salem and I think Zola Jesus is overrated, but seeing them in the NME top 10 is a pleasing sign of diversity that I didn't expect.
― seandalai, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 13:35 (thirteen years ago) link
I agree that there's even more inertia creep of Britforking, very surprised to see under earlier NME blogs and on DiS the main complaint was how low Sufjan was, an album I found agonisingly tedious. Then again there is a whole generation of bands more feted by DiS than NME (Sky Larkin, LC! and others) that sound like they have been vastly more influenced by Pitchfork and therefore are in thrall to 90s US indie. Something like Everything Everything you'd could have imagined being much higher in earlier years.
There's about 20 or so US Indie/Pitchfork-y things in that and they are mainly bunched nearer #1 than #75. In 2005's top 50 there are about 5.
― Mitchell Stirling, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 13:45 (thirteen years ago) link
Lex's annual favourite, Uncut
50 Kings of Leon - Come Around Sundown49 Olof Arnalds - Innundir Skinni48 Zola Jesus - Stridulum II47 Solar Bears - She Was Colored In46 Sleigh Bells - Treats45 Toro Y Moi - Causers of This44 Hot Chip - One Life Stand43 Janelle Monae - The ArchAndroid42 Blitzen Trapper - Destroyers of the Void41 Steve Mason - Boys Outside40 Trembling Bells - Abandoned Love39 Yeasayer - Odd Blood38 Wyatt, Atzmon, Stephen - For the Ghosts Within37 Corinne Bailey Rae - The Sea36 The Hold Steady - Heaven Is Whenever35 Roky Erickson and Okkervil River - True Love Cast Out All Evil34 Dylan LeBlanc- Pauper's Field33 Edywn Collins - Losing Sleep32 The Duke & The King - Long Live The Duke & The King31 Richard Thompson - Dream Attic30 Flying Lotus - Cosmogramma29 Afrocubism - Afrocubism28 The Black Keys - The Black Keys27 Voice of the Seven Thunders - Voice of the Seven Thunders26 Los Lobos - Tin Can Trust25 Gayngs - Related24 Alasdair Roberts - Too Long in This Condition23 Teenage Fanclub - Shadows22 Spoon - Transference21 Hans Chew - Tennessee and Other Stories20 Oneohtrix Point Never - Returnal19 Manic Street Preachers - Postcards from a Young Man18 Gorillaz - Plastic Beach17 The Fall - Your Future, Our Clutter16 Gil Scott-Heron - I'm New Here15 Field Music - Field Music (Measure)14 The National - High Violet13 Vampire Weekend - Contra12 These New Puritans - Hidden11 Drive-By Truckers - The Big To-Dp10 Grinderman - Grinderman II9 LCD Soundsystem - This Is Happening8 Ali Farka Toure and Toumani Diabate - Ali and Toumani7 John Grant - Queen of Denmark6 Ariel Pink's Haunted Graffiti - Before Today5 Robert Plant - Band of Joy4 Arcade Fire - The Suburbs3 Paul Weller - Wake Up the Nation2 Neil Young - Le Noise1 Joanna Newsom - Have One on Me
― ithappens, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 13:50 (thirteen years ago) link
That's more like it.
― seandalai, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 13:54 (thirteen years ago) link
You know where you are with Uncut.
Surprised that the Spoon and Hot Chip albums aren't placing higher and more frequently. Had a hunch that John Grant and These New Puritans would do well.
― mike t-diva, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 13:59 (thirteen years ago) link
It's strange seeing the Manic Street Preachers appearing in all these lists, the last couple of albums seem to have turned it around for them.
― Kitchen Person, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 14:08 (thirteen years ago) link
They're the new Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds, half-arsed vote from people with no imagination.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 14:12 (thirteen years ago) link
So far, I'm surprised how far Joanna Newsom's stock has falleni'm not really - it's def the kind of album that can impress on first listen, but then gets tidied away and not thought about after that.
i think j. newsom is kinda in "fans only" territory here -- fans probably love her new album, everyone else couldn't care less -- it doesn't really scream CROSSOVER INDIE ALBUM the way the first two did
― i look at the interior of my sack and feel sad (ilxor), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 14:59 (thirteen years ago) link
61. Flying Lotus, 'Cosmogramma'53. Kelis, 'Flesh Tone'22. Swans, 'My Father Will Guide Me Up A Rope To The Sky'12. Caribou, 'Swim'7. Zola Jesus, 'Stridulum II'1. These New Puritans, 'Hidden'
nice surprises on the NME list ^^
honestly surprised they ranked kanye so low (in the 30s) compared to where he's gonna place elsewhere
― i look at the interior of my sack and feel sad (ilxor), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 15:01 (thirteen years ago) link
20 Oneohtrix Point Never - Returnal12 These New Puritans - Hidden2 Neil Young - Le Noise
lone high points on Uncut ^^
man i really need to hear that gil scott-heron album before year's end
― i look at the interior of my sack and feel sad (ilxor), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 15:03 (thirteen years ago) link
There was a streaming link for Gil Scott-Heron on the ilx thread for the album (that was still working the other day)
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 15:17 (thirteen years ago) link
GSH album is stunning. i think deej said he couldn't decide if he really liked it or if it sounded like a moby remix album, but i don't hear the "moby remix" thing much at all, given the vocals and some of the abrasive elements buried in the arrangements.
― Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 30 November 2010 15:24 (thirteen years ago) link
I liked GSH when it came out but haven't found myself returning to it since.
― seandalai, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 15:25 (thirteen years ago) link
i still get chills listening to me and the devil.
― Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 30 November 2010 15:28 (thirteen years ago) link
i'd bet $$ that Arcade Fire was NME number 1 with say These New Puritans at 2 until they read Q's poll last week.
― piscesx, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 15:29 (thirteen years ago) link
I'd rate the GSH higher if it wasn't so short and, even then, padded out with interludes. It feels like an EP. New York Is Killing Me is one of the tracks of the year though.
― The baby boomers have defined everything once and for all (Dorianlynskey), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 15:34 (thirteen years ago) link
I didn't know Robert Wyatt had done an album with Gilad Atzmon. Well, I guess no surprise since I don't pay much attention to either, but I'm somehow interested in the idea of them collaborating.
― _Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 15:44 (thirteen years ago) link
As easy as it is to hate on the NME, it is kind of great that they put TNP at number one.
― "I am a fairly respected poster." (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 15:46 (thirteen years ago) link
Actually, it was the NME's review of Hidden that piqued my interest in the first place. Been years since that happened!
― mike t-diva, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 16:09 (thirteen years ago) link
Yes, I think if Lex is outraged by TNP at number one then he really hasn't considered the alternatives.
― The baby boomers have defined everything once and for all (Dorianlynskey), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 16:20 (thirteen years ago) link
BBC 6 Radio
(No apparent order)
Arcade Fire – The SuburbsBeach House -Teen DreamNational - High VioletWarpaint – The FoolEverything Everything – Man AliveFoals - Total Life ForeverLaura Marling – I Speak Because I CanCaribou - SwimGorillaz – Plastic BeachTame Impala - Inner Speaker
― Good news, everyone! (kelpolaris), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 16:20 (thirteen years ago) link
i like the warpaint album but dunno why it's being rated higher than the school of 7 bells one
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 16:21 (thirteen years ago) link
if beach house, arcade fire and the national are this years GAPDY...BAN
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 16:22 (thirteen years ago) link
Think the NME opting for TNP in the same week as the NUS leadership decides to stop being "spineless" marks some sort of Carmodic tipping point.
― Stevie T, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 16:23 (thirteen years ago) link
Is it just me that mixes up Beach House and Best Coast? I keep forgetting which one I've heard.
― The baby boomers have defined everything once and for all (Dorianlynskey), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 16:24 (thirteen years ago) link
explain?
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 16:25 (thirteen years ago) link
xp: I do the same. Heard both, not sold on either.
― mike t-diva, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 16:28 (thirteen years ago) link
The first track on the Beach House album is still sublime but the rest of it gets pretty boring pretty quickly.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 16:31 (thirteen years ago) link
yes! exactly true. first track is great, don't care for the rest.
― piscesx, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 17:51 (thirteen years ago) link
Constantly... even though they definitely have different styles. The whole soundz of the sixtiez fads needs to die immediately.
― Good news, everyone! (kelpolaris), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 19:16 (thirteen years ago) link
love the Beach House album. the entire thing is beautiful imo. was disappointed by Crazy For You
― Dan S, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 19:50 (thirteen years ago) link
Waiting for the first list that Taylor shows up on. Maybe Entertainment Weekly? Won't be surprised if she makes some of the NYT writers' lists.
― a tenth level which features a single castle (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 20:58 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm so out of it that, a month ago, I was actually wondering whether she had a chance to win Pazz & Jop! But I'm starting to realize that was extreme wishful thinking. Now I'm wondering if Top 10 is out of the question. (Top 40 should be a given, though, right? I hope.)
― xhuxk, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 21:02 (thirteen years ago) link
Then again, most of these lists are British, right? So they're not much to go on, Pazz&Jop-wise.
― xhuxk, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 21:03 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah taylor swift basically does not exist for 90% of british critics
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 21:03 (thirteen years ago) link
im sure all the old fart middlebrow critics will vote for her in their droves for P&J.
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 21:03 (thirteen years ago) link
(smh at them OBV)
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 21:04 (thirteen years ago) link
smh = shake my head?
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 21:04 (thirteen years ago) link
xp Btw, wackiest things about those Mojo lists have to be Cyndi Lauper with the #9 blues album (which might good, who knows) and Carolina Chocolate Drops with the #2 world music album. (Though I guess North Carolina is in the world, technically.)
― xhuxk, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 21:06 (thirteen years ago) link
Mojo lists are usually more varied than most mags tbh.
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 21:08 (thirteen years ago) link
all the old fart middlebrow critics will vote for her in their droves
Yeah, old fart middlebrow guys all love teen-pop country. (Still, hope they do. Assuming they're still voting these days.)
― xhuxk, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 21:08 (thirteen years ago) link
smh = shaking my head, yeskmt = kissing my teeth, for future ref, because that will assuredly be a reaction to this thread
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 21:09 (thirteen years ago) link
haha kmt is most definitely a new one. No idea what it means but thanks for the heads up!
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 21:10 (thirteen years ago) link
Kissing my teeth only works if you can take them out first imo.
― Krampus Interruptus (NickB), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 21:11 (thirteen years ago) link
― Ward Fowler, Tuesday, November 30, 2010 6:13 AM (9 hours ago) Bookmark
this, and no marnie stern, are the biggest WTFs so far
― lil butterball (the baste god) (Edward III), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 21:13 (thirteen years ago) link
what? idk whether you're serious about not knowing what kissing one's teeth is
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 21:14 (thirteen years ago) link
Hadn't decided whether to put Taylor #1, 2, or 3, but now I think I'm gonna give her #1 just because.
xp: Marnie Stern doesn't surprise me. I loved her first two records, and I like this one, but not quite as much. It's probably not a top-10 for me, and I had her last one as my #1 that year.
― a tenth level which features a single castle (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 21:14 (thirteen years ago) link
Genuinely have no idea on this. Eager to be schooled.
― Krampus Interruptus (NickB), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 21:18 (thirteen years ago) link
xpostnever heard this expression before tonight too. Thank goodness for urban dictionary.
― State Attorney Foxhart Cubycheck (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 21:18 (thirteen years ago) link
My immediate thought was that it was similar to A Partridge's "kiss my face" exclamation.
― Neil S, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 21:20 (thirteen years ago) link
I assumed it was the noise plumbers make when they give you an estimate on a bill
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 21:20 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah it's hard to actually describe but clearly none of you have ever talked to any caribbean women, lol
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 21:23 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm not sure i've ever seen one round here tbh nevermind spoke to one , lol.
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 21:24 (thirteen years ago) link
xp I know what you mean Lex, African women use the same expression to punctuate conversation.
― Neil S, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 21:30 (thirteen years ago) link
Trisha on Bo Selcta! was fond of saying kiss my teeth.
― Mitchell Stirling, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 21:53 (thirteen years ago) link
that was a terrible terrible program!
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 22:10 (thirteen years ago) link
kmt = kissing my teeth, for future ref, because that will assuredly be a reaction to this thread
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 21:09 (1 hour ago)
feelin this
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 22:46 (thirteen years ago) link
'kissing your teeth' is actually more like sucking air through your teeth, or tutting with more... Attitude..?It's generally used to make a sound of disapproval. It is stereotypically said that black people use it, but other people use it too... It's just known more as a black thing, because mostly Jamaicans use it.Kmt is an abbreviation, just like lol is an abbreviation for 'laugh out loud'and it's not as stupid as some of you non british/english make out.Just because you don't use the slang, doesn't give you the right to insult other ways of speaking. Every country has their list of slang words, and so do we...
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― Tim F, Wednesday, 1 December 2010 01:13 (thirteen years ago) link
lol @ that whole exchange
I never heard it called "kissing" teeth, we say "sucking your teeth," same difference tho
lol
― no hipster hats (The Brainwasher), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 01:15 (thirteen years ago) link
cooly g's twitter and fbook feeds are veritable feasts of KMT
http://twitter.com/COOLYGuk/status/9398538496638976
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 01:21 (thirteen years ago) link
over here we say kmg, i.e. "kissing my grits"
― Mark, Wednesday, 1 December 2010 03:18 (thirteen years ago) link
Yup, third or fourth year in a row where NME list was more interesting than Uncut/MOJO.
― Fastnbulbous, Wednesday, 1 December 2010 07:37 (thirteen years ago) link
NME Tracks
75. Jam City, 'Ecstasy Refix'74. Eminem Feat. Rihanna, 'Love The Way You Lie'73. Addison Groove, 'Footcrab'72. Active Child, 'She Was A Vision'71. The Futureheads, ‘The Heartbeat Song’70. DJ Nate, ‘Call Me When You’re Sober’69. Egyptian Hip Hop, 'Moon Crooner'68. Foals, ‘Miami’67. New Young Pony Club, ‘Lost A Girl'66. Les Savy Fav, 'Let's Get Out Of Here'65. Beach House, ‘Zebra'64. Joy Orbison, ‘The Shrew Would Have Cushioned The Blow’63. Islet, ‘Ringerz’62. Caribou, ‘Odessa’61. Salem, 'King Night'60. Dead Skeletons, 'Dead Mantra'59. Willow Smith, 'Whip My Hair'58. Frankie & The Heartstrings, 'Tender'57. Interpol, 'Lights'56. Sleigh Bells, 'Tell 'Em'55. Gaggle, 'I Hear Flies'54. Vampire Weekend, 'Giving Up The Gun'53. Warpaint, 'Elephants'52. Klaxons, 'Echoes'51. Kelis, '4th Of July (Fireworks)'50. Summer Camp, 'Ghost Train'49. Crocodiles, 'Sleep Forever'48. Mystery Jets, 'Dreaming Of Another World'47. Ariel Pink’s Haunted Graffiti, 'Round And Round'46. Manic Street Preachers, '(It’s Not War) Just The End Of Love'45. Liars, 'Scissor'44. Biffy Clyro, 'Bubbles'43. Darwin Deez, 'Constellations'42. Robyn, 'Dancing On My Own'41. Foals, 'This Orient'40. Kele, 'Tenderoni'39. Arcade Fire, 'Ready To Start'38. Mark Ronson & The Business Intl, 'Bang Bang Bang'37. Glasser, 'Home'36. Les Savy Fav, 'Sleepless In Silverlake'35. The Knife, 'Colouring Of Pigeons'34. Katy Perry Feat. Snoop Dogg, 'California Gurls'33. Big Boi, 'Shutterbugg'32. Klaxons, 'Flashover'31. Cee Lo Green, 'Fuck You'30. Yeasayer, 'O.N.E.'29. My Chemical Romance, 'Na Na Na'28. The Drums, 'Forever And Ever, Amen'27. Tinie Tempah, 'Pass Out'26. Magnetic Man Feat. Katy B, 'Perfect Stranger'25. Lady Gaga Feat. Beyonce, 'Telephone'.24. Everything Everything, 'Schoolin''23. LCD Soundsystem, 'I Can Change'22. Yeasayer, 'Ambling Alp'21. Avi Buffalo, 'What’s In It For?'20. Kelis, 'Acapella'19. Crystal Castles, 'Celestica'18. Egyptian Hip Hop, 'Rad Pitt'17. The National, 'Bloodbuzz Ohio'16. Best Coast, 'Boyfriend'15. Warpaint, 'Undertow'14. These New Puritans, 'We Want War'13. LCD Soundsystem, 'Drunk Girls'.12. Factory Floor, 'Lying'11. MIA, 'Born Free'10. The Fall, 'Bury Pts 2+4'9. Zola Jesus, 'Night'8. Grinderman, 'Heathen Child'7. Surfer Blood, 'Swim (To Reach The End)'6. Gorillaz, 'Stylo'5. Arcade Fire, 'We Used To Wait'4. Kanye West, 'Power'3. Janelle Monae, 'Tightrope'2. MIA, 'XXXO'1. Foals, 'Spanish Sahara'
― Mitchell Stirling, Wednesday, 1 December 2010 16:16 (thirteen years ago) link
75. Jam City, 'Ecstasy Refix'
WOW serious respect for this one actually ("arpjam" is better but we'll give them a pass seeing as it was only released this week)
there are quite a few really good songs elsewhere in the list but tbh there's a lot of total bullshit as well, and like the albums it gets worse and worse the higher you go, because the nme fundamentally has shitty taste
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 16:20 (thirteen years ago) link
Slam dunking in at no. 35, it's the Knife...
― Krampus Interruptus (NickB), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 16:22 (thirteen years ago) link
34. Katy Perry Feat. Snoop Dogg, 'California Gurls'
serious respect for this one...
NAH
― modrić in paradise (blueski), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 16:34 (thirteen years ago) link
That NME top 10 is fucking awful and I am totally unsurprised to see them repping for Jam City.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 1 December 2010 16:35 (thirteen years ago) link
I *am* surprised to see DJ Nate in there.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 1 December 2010 16:36 (thirteen years ago) link
oh nos. 6, 8 are damn good songs.
― Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 1 December 2010 16:37 (thirteen years ago) link
tho i would have chosen a different grinderman song (worm tamer), and a different zola jesus song (poor animals)
― Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 1 December 2010 16:38 (thirteen years ago) link
70. DJ Nate, ‘Call Me When You’re Sober’65. Beach House, ‘Zebra'64. Joy Orbison, ‘The Shrew Would Have Cushioned The Blow’59. Willow Smith, 'Whip My Hair'56. Sleigh Bells, 'Tell 'Em'51. Kelis, '4th Of July (Fireworks)'37. Glasser, 'Home'33. Big Boi, 'Shutterbugg'27. Tinie Tempah, 'Pass Out'26. Magnetic Man Feat. Katy B, 'Perfect Stranger'15. Warpaint, 'Undertow'14. These New Puritans, 'We Want War'5. Arcade Fire, 'We Used To Wait'3. Janelle Monae, 'Tightrope'
Will rep for these, but that's it.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 1 December 2010 16:42 (thirteen years ago) link
i wonder if it will ever be possible to mention a night slugs related thing on ilx without one of you, tim or rtc snarking.
i'm surprised at kelis being the token r&b diva (not that those songs are r&b but ygm), surprised at anyone remembering that knife opera (and choosing to rep for it in the tracks list?!) and surprised in a bad way at that eminem/rihanna song showing up. why would anyone vote for that, why.
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 16:43 (thirteen years ago) link
3. Janelle Monae, 'Tightrope'
she's r&b(-ish), no?
― Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 1 December 2010 16:44 (thirteen years ago) link
tracks from that in my own top 100
xxxo - but the SBTRKT remixtightropestylo (maybe)undertow (maybe)celestica (srs grower)i can change (ditto)telephone (and again)pass outshutterbugground and roundthe shrew...
― modrić in paradise (blueski), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 16:44 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm surprised at kelis being the token r&b diva (not that those songs are r&b but ygm)
Nah they've been pro-Kelis since the first album, she is very much the r&b diva it's okay for indie kids to like. Janelle Monae too now, but she's almost as much rock as she is r&b (in the way that, say, Prince was).
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 1 December 2010 16:52 (thirteen years ago) link
surprised at anyone remembering that knife opera (and choosing to rep for it in the tracks list?!)
I've gone back to it and it's growing on me the second time around. But yeah, opting for individual tracks off it is a bit of a cop out.
― Krampus Interruptus (NickB), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 16:53 (thirteen years ago) link
the only actual r&b song in the list is, like, "whip my hair" anyway
we know that "call me when you're sober" is based around an evanescence sample, of all things, right? it's such an amazing track though not as stupendous as "poetry" imo
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 16:54 (thirteen years ago) link
Come on, Tightrope totally counts, it's virtually a Rich Harrison production.
I don't like the Foals record but it's obviously in their demographic, but it's just utterly incomprehensible to me that anyone could make a credible argument for XXXO being the second-best song of the year.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 1 December 2010 16:57 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah "tightrope" is obv retro-r&b, i should've put modern r&b
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 17:00 (thirteen years ago) link
prefer 'seeds' to 'colouring of pigeons' but i will probably like the remixes more
― modrić in paradise (blueski), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 17:02 (thirteen years ago) link
Zola Jesus: cool name, unfuckingbelievably boring
― Chester, Your Majesty (kelpolaris), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 17:03 (thirteen years ago) link
Eh, 'I Can't Stand' is one of the stand-out gloom anthems for these miserable times imo.
― Krampus Interruptus (NickB), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 17:24 (thirteen years ago) link
Agree with blueski re. 'Seeds' too.
― Krampus Interruptus (NickB), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 17:25 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm kind of curious now to see if Paul Weller makes *any* US lists...
― dlp9001, Wednesday, 1 December 2010 18:07 (thirteen years ago) link
The guy is a total pissflap, I'd be pleased not to see his name much anywhere
― Chester, Your Majesty (kelpolaris), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 18:21 (thirteen years ago) link
Let me guess which country you're from...
― dlp9001, Wednesday, 1 December 2010 18:24 (thirteen years ago) link
First time in years that I haven't heard the NME's top single/track. Listening now. it just sounds like one of Bloc Party's big, moody, faintly electronic numbers. Is acclaim for Foals (number one album in The Fly) the manifestation of a desperate desire for a 20something Radiohead?
― The baby boomers have defined everything once and for all (Dorianlynskey), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 18:54 (thirteen years ago) link
people actually listen to more of bloc party than banquet? guys are definition one hit wonders, the rest of their songs have zero imagination.
same applies to kaiser chiefs, who apparently are (for whatever reason) still popular
― Chester, Your Majesty (kelpolaris), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 18:57 (thirteen years ago) link
The US actually, I just read a lot of brit mags at the bookstore...the current or last NME in which he poses upon the cover with beefy forearms calling UK to a revolution (headed under him, of course) made me want to gag the guy.
― Chester, Your Majesty (kelpolaris), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 18:59 (thirteen years ago) link
also uk-born insults are so much funner than commonalities here like "you fucking douchebag" and "dumbass bitch" and such
― Chester, Your Majesty (kelpolaris), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 19:03 (thirteen years ago) link
There may be some truth to that, but between "pissflap" and buying NME, I think you've lost your US citizenship.
I'm just fascinated by the (apparent) fact that everyone in the UK hates him and nobody in the US knows him, other than weirdo Jam fans and the like. He probably should have released the album under an alias that implied that David Bowie was behind the whole thing...
Anyway, I'm pleasantly surprised to see it popping up on year end lists, though from my cramped perspective I don't know if it's happening for good or for bad reasons.
― dlp9001, Wednesday, 1 December 2010 19:16 (thirteen years ago) link
Nice to see Field Music at least getting a few scraps of recognition on these lists.
― Darin, Wednesday, 1 December 2010 19:23 (thirteen years ago) link
most of my disgruntle stems from the fact that kevin shields, when he should be developing that new album in promise for over 20 years, was caught as the guitarist for weller's nme concert in which he was hailed a "godlike genius"
― Chester, Your Majesty (kelpolaris), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 19:25 (thirteen years ago) link
Bloc Party's best moment was 'Like Eating Glass'
Can't say I'm on board with NME's list the way I am to a degree with the album list. Thought that 'Tightrope' would win tbh.
Like 'Spanish Sahara' and could make the lower reaches of my singles list but is a bit of an odd #1, in fact it's the first time since 2002 that the track of the year hasn't been a nailed on indie disco floorfiller, though probably do alright in those stakes.
Thinking about it every NME track of the year back to Bitter Sweet Symphony would do a pretty good job at an indie(ish) disco, even Foals and Doves.
― Mitchell Stirling, Wednesday, 1 December 2010 19:56 (thirteen years ago) link
10. The Fall, 'Bury Pts 2+4'9. Zola Jesus, 'Night'8. Grinderman, 'Heathen Child'4. Kanye West, 'Power'3. Janelle Monae, 'Tightrope'2. MIA, 'XXXO'
will rep for these in the top ten, but MIA belongs much lower
1. Foals, 'Spanish Sahara'
looooooool
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 21:16 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.factmag.com/2010/11/30/40-best-albums-of-2010-40-31/
FACT are counting down their list
― Number None, Wednesday, 1 December 2010 22:17 (thirteen years ago) link
It's definitely more interesting than the other lists so far
― Dan S, Wednesday, 1 December 2010 22:48 (thirteen years ago) link
i always love fact's year (or decade)-end lists.
― Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 1 December 2010 22:49 (thirteen years ago) link
hm. i've got the disc they list at no. 38, but i don't think i've ever listened to it! must investigate.
― Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 1 December 2010 22:50 (thirteen years ago) link
The LA Vampires Meets Zola Jesus sounds interesting.
― Dan S, Wednesday, 1 December 2010 22:54 (thirteen years ago) link
i love the idea; i'm not as sold on the execution (tbf, i've only heard bits-and-pieces).
― Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 1 December 2010 22:55 (thirteen years ago) link
Just acquired the Zola Jesus/LA Vampires thing on the strength of the blurb, liking it so far. I always find something new from Fact's lists.
― Number None, Wednesday, 1 December 2010 23:04 (thirteen years ago) link
Not sure I was all that taken with the 'No No No' cover, but I enjoyed it on the whole.
― Krampus Interruptus (NickB), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 23:12 (thirteen years ago) link
Definitely wanna hear that Dylan Ettinger. Ooh, it's probably on eMusic amirite?
― Krampus Interruptus (NickB), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 23:15 (thirteen years ago) link
y
― Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 1 December 2010 23:15 (thirteen years ago) link
Yay!
Yeah, FACT's lists are always great and loaded with new discoveries for me. "Spanish Sahara" is a great great song you fools. But I don't think it would climb my top ten.
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 23:26 (thirteen years ago) link
That Fact list is great - I thought I had been keeping up with new releases to some degree, but I hadn't even heard of half the albums there. Just added a bunch to my Spotify "to listen" playlist.
― seandalai, Wednesday, 1 December 2010 23:31 (thirteen years ago) link
First listens to Dylan Ettinger and Zola Jesus/LA Vampires are positive, though I'm not sure either is bringing much new to the party.
― seandalai, Thursday, 2 December 2010 00:54 (thirteen years ago) link
emusic link on that dylan ettinger disc.
― Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 2 December 2010 01:39 (thirteen years ago) link
damn i totally thought that foals had gone the way of the klaxons & shit
― jagger reupholstered my pussy (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 2 December 2010 01:42 (thirteen years ago) link
This was a slightly different way of doing things;
http://thefourohfive.com/articles/4602
The 405s 45 favourite EPs of the year
1. Zola Jesus - 'Stridulum II'2. Hold Your Horse It - 'Rammin' It Home'3. Girls - 'Broken Dreams Club'4. Stagecoach - 'Crash My Ride'5. Dad Rocks! - 'Digital Age'6. Tall Ships - 'There Is Nothing But Chemistry Here'7. Islet - 'Wimmy'8. Islet - 'Celebrate This Place'9. Summer Camp - 'Young'10. Egyptian Hip Hop - 'Some Reptiles Grew Wings'11. Zola Jesus & LA Vampires - 'LA Vampires Meets Zola Jesus '12. Botany - 'Feeling Today'13. Wild Nothing - 'Golden Haze'14. Jonquil - 'One Hundred Suns'15. Selebrities - 'Ladies Man Effect'16. El Guincho - 'Piratas De Sudamerica'17. Megafaun - 'Heretofore EP'18. Sufjan Stevens - 'All Delighted People'19. James Blake - 'Klavierwerke'20. Guards - 'Guards'21. Museum of Bellas Artes - 'Days Ahead'22. Tubelord - 'Tezcatlipoca'23. Twin Sister - 'Color Your Life'24. Gallops - 'Gallops'25. Girls Names - 'Don't Let Me In'26. Spectrals - 'Extended Play'27. Tanlines - 'Settings'28. Dirty Projectors & Bjork - 'Mount Wittenberg Orca'29. The James Cleaver Quintet - 'Ten Stage of A Make Up'30. Flying Lotus - 'Pattern + Gridworld'31. Chad Valley - 'Chad Valley'32. Owen Pallet - 'Swedish Love Story'33. British Sea Power - 'Zeus '34. Memoryhouse - 'The Years'35. Becoming Real - 'Spectre'36. Seams - 'Tourist EP'37. Ursine Vulpine - 'Fenrir'38. Flats - 'EP2'39. A Sunny Day in Glasgow - 'Nitetime Rainbows'40. Holy Fuck - '+Ghost'41. Active Child - 'Curtis Lane'42. James Blake - 'CYMK'43. Monzano - 'Apple Handsome'44. Balam Acab - 'See Birds'45. Los Campesinos! - 'All's Well That Ends'
― Mitchell Stirling, Thursday, 2 December 2010 02:35 (thirteen years ago) link
Everyone is forgetting ROMANCE IS BORING :(
― Here we are in a sticky situation/ (Tape Store), Thursday, 2 December 2010 02:37 (thirteen years ago) link
NPR alt-Latin top 10 albums
http://www.npr.org/blogs/altlatino/2010/12/01/131593815/alt-latino-best-albums-2010
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 2 December 2010 04:57 (thirteen years ago) link
Everyone is forgetting ROMANCE IS BORING
All we can do is try, goddamn it. All we can do is try.
― MumblestheRevelator, Thursday, 2 December 2010 05:22 (thirteen years ago) link
That FACT list is amazing.
― Reel Around The Fountain Smokey BBQ Sauce (SeekAltRoute), Thursday, 2 December 2010 09:42 (thirteen years ago) link
NPR has multiple lists here
http://www.npr.org/series/131394847/the-best-music-of-2010
They like Arcade Fire best but they also like my Malian fave singer Khaira Arby
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 2 December 2010 13:36 (thirteen years ago) link
Oops, actually Arcade Fire is just one of the 50 faves of NPR staff. There's also a best jazz and best classical list.
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 2 December 2010 13:46 (thirteen years ago) link
Recommended by NPR Music Staff
Thomas Ades, Tevot
Agalloch, Marrow Of The Spirit
Aloe Blacc, Good Things
Khaira Arby, Timbuktu Tarab
Arcade Fire, The Suburbs
Erykah Badu, New Amerykah, Pt. 2: Return Of The Ankh
Big Boi, Sir Lucious Leftfoot...The Son Of Chico Dusty
The Black Keys, Brothers
Brooklyn Rider, Dominant Curve
Buke & Gass, Riposte
Carolina Chocolate Drops, Genuine Negro Jig
Regina Carter, Reverse Thread
Chancha Via Circuito, Rio Arriba
Deerhunter, Halcyon Digest
Issac Delgado, Love
Joyce DiDonato, Rossini: Colbran, The Muse
Flying Lotus, Cosmogramma
Four Tet, There Is Love In You
Vittorio Grigolo, The Italian Tenor
Gyptian, Hold You
Hilary Hahn, Higdon & Tchaikovsky: Violin Concertos
Mary Halvorson Quintet, Saturn Sings
Rita Indiana, El Juidero
Jamey Johnson, The Guitar Song
Jonsi, Go
Seu Jorge And Almaz, Seu Jorge And Almaz
King Sunny Ade, Baba Mo Tunde
Ray LaMontagne And The Pariah Dogs, God Willin' And The Creek Don't Rise
LCD Soundsystem, This Is Happening
Lower Dens, Twin Hand Movement
Alexander Melnikov, Shostakovich
Janelle Monae, The ArchAndroid
Jason Moran, Ten
Carla Morrison, Mientras Tu Dormias
The National, High Violet
Owen Pallett, Heartland
Sondra Radvanovsky, Verdi Arias
Josh Ritter, So Runs The World Away
Robyn, Body Talk
Kermit Ruffins, Happy Talk
Christian Scott, Yesterday You Said Tomorrow
Gil Scott-Heron, I'm New Here
Sleigh Bells, Treats
Esperanza Spalding, Chamber Music Society
Mavis Staples, You Are Not Alone
Sufjan Stevens, The Age Of Adz
The Tallest Man On Earth, The Wild Hunt
Titus Andronicus, The Monitor
Sharon Van Etten, Epic
Kanye West, My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy
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― curmudgeon, Thursday, 2 December 2010 14:13 (thirteen years ago) link
that Zola Jesus EP was just not that good.
― skip, Thursday, 2 December 2010 14:19 (thirteen years ago) link
A few EPs that 405 missed (a couple of which were maybe marketed as "albums," but they're 25 minutes or less, so they qualify.)
Art Museums – Rough Frame (Woodsit)Chrome Dome – Chrome Dome (Lexicon Devil)Major Lazer – Lazers Never Die EP (Interscope/Downtown/Mad Design)The Sediment Club – The Sediment Club (Softspot)Colt Ford – Country Is As Country Does (Average Joe’s)Herpes – Das Kommt Von Kussen (Tapete)Screaming Females – Singles (Don Giovanni)
― xhuxk, Thursday, 2 December 2010 14:28 (thirteen years ago) link
i liked her other 2010 ep better (the one with poor animals on it).
― Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 2 December 2010 14:38 (thirteen years ago) link
that Major Lazer EP is aggressively mediocre
― Yeezy reupholstered my pussy (DJP), Thursday, 2 December 2010 14:50 (thirteen years ago) link
also I keep forgetting to check out that Esperanza Spalding album
― Yeezy reupholstered my pussy (DJP), Thursday, 2 December 2010 14:51 (thirteen years ago) link
A publicist keeps sending me e-mails re Buke & Gass, but I haven't listened to it/them(?) yet.
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 2 December 2010 15:30 (thirteen years ago) link
loooooool @ Agalloch on NPR's year end top 50
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Thursday, 2 December 2010 19:44 (thirteen years ago) link
Q is getting a bit too hip and "indie". It needs to bring back some of their old writers and get a bit more soft rock oriented again.
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Thursday, 2 December 2010 21:53 (thirteen years ago) link
Never change, Geir. Never change.
― no hipster hats (The Brainwasher), Thursday, 2 December 2010 21:54 (thirteen years ago) link
(unlike Q)
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Thursday, 2 December 2010 21:57 (thirteen years ago) link
GORILLA VS. BEAR’s ALBUMS OF 2010
01 Beach House – Teen Dream02 Ariel Pink’s Haunted Graffiti – Before Today03 Shabazz Palaces – Of Light/Shabazz Palaces04 James Blake – CMYK/Klavierwerke05 Joanna Newsom – Have One on Me06 Big Boi – Sir Lucious Left Foot: The Son of Chico Dusty07 Lower Dens – Lower Dens08 Games – That We Can Play09 White Denim – Last Day of Summer10 Girls – Broken Dreams Club11 Toro y Moi – Causers of This12 Earl Sweatshirt – EARL13 Twin Sister – Color Your Life / Alternates14 Big K.R.I.T. – wuz here15 Dum Dum Girls – I Will Be16 Grimes – Geidi Primes17 The Samps – The Samps18 Harlem – Hippies19 Forest Swords – Dagger Paths20 Twin Shadow – Forget21 Frankie Rose & the Outs – Frankie Rose & the Outs22 Arcade Fire – The Suburbs23 Tennis – Tennis (cassette)24 The Walkmen – Lisbon25 Erykah Badu – New Amerykah Part II: Return of the Ankh26 Deerhunter – Halcyon Digest27 Mount Kimbie – Crooks & Lovers28 Caribou – Swim29 Shackleton – Fabric 5530 Ty Segall – Melted
Good to see Games on the top 10
― laser precise purpose maker era, Friday, 3 December 2010 00:55 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah at the Lower Dens ending up at number 7 as they are my latest addiction. such a great album.
― World Series champion San Francisco Giants (Bee OK), Friday, 3 December 2010 01:05 (thirteen years ago) link
Paste
50. Marnie Stern: Marnie Stern [Kill Rock Stars]49. Flying Lotus: Cosmogramma [Warp]48. Local Natives: Gorilla Manor [Frenchkiss]47. Yeasayer: Odd Blood [Secretly Canadian]46. The Black Keys: Brothers [Nonesuch]45. Deerhunter: Halcyon Digest [4AD]44. Swans: My Father Will Guide Me Up A Rope To The Sky [Young God]43. Stornoway: Beachcomber’s Windowsill [4AD]42. Wavves: King of the Beach [Fat Possum]41. Anaïs Mitchell: Hadestown40. Free Energy: Stuck on Nothing [Astralwerks]39. Sarah Jaffe: Suburban Nature [Kirtland]38. Josh Ritter: So Runs the World Away [Pytheas]37. Big Boi: Sir Lucious Left Foot: The Son of Chico Dusty [Def Jam]36. Spoon: Transference [Merge]35. Grinderman: Grinderman 2 [Mute Records/ANTI-]34. Girl Talk: All Day [Illegal Art]33. Blitzen Trapper: Destroyer of the Void [Sub Pop]32. Carolina Chocolate Drops: Genuine Negro Jig [Nonesuch]31. The Roots: How I Got Over30. She & Him: Volume Two [Merge]29. Freelance Whales: Weathervanes [Frenchkiss]28. Laura Marling: I Speak Because I Can [Astralwerks]27. Vampire Weekend: Contra [XL]26. Lissie: Catching a Tiger [Fat Possum]25. Various Artists: Preservation: An Album to Benefit Preservation Hall [Megaforce]24. Beach House: Teen Dream [Sub Pop]23. Laura Veirs: July Flame [Raven Marching Band]22. The Tallest Man on Earth: The Wild Hunt [Dead Oceans]21. Jamey Johnson: The Guitar Song [Mercury Nashville]20. Suckers: Wild Smile [Frenchkiss]19. Elizabeth Cook: Welder [31 Tigers]18. Cee Lo Green: The Lady Killer [Elektra]17. Jónsi: Go [XL]16. Mavis Staples: You Are Not Alone [Anti-]15. Justin Townes Earle: Harlem River Blues [Bloodshot]14. Band of Horses: Infinite Arms [Brown Records/Fat Possum/Columbia]13. Sharon Jones & the Dap-Kings: I Learned the Hard Way [Daptone]12. Bruce Springsteen: The Promise: The Lost Sessions of Darkness on the Edge of Town [Columbia]11. The National: High Violet [4AD]10. Frightened Rabbit: The Winter of Mixed Drinks [Fat Cat]9. Sufjan Stevens – The Age of Adz [Asthmatic Kitty]8. Phosphorescent: Here’s to Taking It Easy [Dead Oceans]7. Arcade Fire: The Suburbs [Merge]6. Sleigh Bells: Treats [Mom + Pop]5. Titus Andronicus: The Monitor [XL]4. Kanye West: My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy [Def Jam/Roc-a-Fella]3. Mumford & Sons: Sigh No More [Glassnote]2. Janelle Monáe: The ArchAndroid [The Wondaland Arts Society/Bad Boy]1. LCD Soundsystem: This Is Happening [EMI/DFA]
― World Series champion San Francisco Giants (Bee OK), Friday, 3 December 2010 03:36 (thirteen years ago) link
a boring & predictable list from beyond the grave
― J0rdan S., Friday, 3 December 2010 03:39 (thirteen years ago) link
paste magazine meeting room:
"man fuck this year end list shit, i dont wanna put more than like 20 minutes into this"
"hmmmm okay. how about we just write down lots of mid-tier indie bands and stuff that indie ppl like?"
"gotcha. how will we decide what gets on the list?"
"how about, anything that got over 7.0 on pfork and was written about on lots of indie blogs?"
"okay! what's #1 gonna be, that is an important choice"
"lcd soundsystem duh. he pleases the indie kids and the dance/electronic kids at the same time"
"sounds good. how do we order the other stuff?"
"are you fuckin kidding me, no one cares about the order after #1"
"k. lets draw straws or something"
(.......15 minutes pass.......)
IN TODAY'S ISSUE: PASTE MAGAZINE 2010 YEAR END BEST ALBUMS LIST
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Friday, 3 December 2010 03:47 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't see what's so mindblowing about Fact's list. Sure it's got some records you wont see in other lists but have you guys listened to the records theyre pimping? Bunch of boring, run-of-the-mill albums with terrible production.
Different =/= interesting.
― Moka, Friday, 3 December 2010 08:45 (thirteen years ago) link
Before you come barking at me I mean the albums that few if any other lists have mentioned and which sound awful from what I've heard so far: DYLAN ETTINGER, DJ RASHAD, FRANK (JUST FRANK), DJ ROC, SOLAR BEARS, AUTRE NE VEUT.
― Moka, Friday, 3 December 2010 08:54 (thirteen years ago) link
the rashad and roc records are great though when it comes to juke, dj nate >>>> all
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Friday, 3 December 2010 08:55 (thirteen years ago) link
The Dylan Ettinger sounded fine to me when I was fooling around in the snow yesterday. Wasn't into the Solar Bears full-length so much though.
― Krampus Interruptus (NickB), Friday, 3 December 2010 08:59 (thirteen years ago) link
the dj roc record seemed interesting but annoyed me intensely with the vocal rap loops. The Rashad song they've got as a sample in there is awful, can't say I've heard the rest of the record but the amateurish keyboard drums on that song drove me insane, is the guy from Salem guesting on that one?
― Moka, Friday, 3 December 2010 09:04 (thirteen years ago) link
ppl are perfectly entitled to hate Rashad (and juke in general) but keen to hear what you've been listening to that makes it "run of the mill"
― smoking on his cigarette / listening to a Carcass set (DJ Mencap), Friday, 3 December 2010 09:30 (thirteen years ago) link
Wasn't specifically pointing at Rashad but anyway; I'm not familiar with the 'juke/footwork' scene so I don't really know how 'unique' this sort of music might really be but I feel like I've been listening to the same overused bass and drums patches for too long in the same unimaginative styles that it starts to feel old to me.
― Moka, Friday, 3 December 2010 09:46 (thirteen years ago) link
ppl are keen to hear what you've been listening to that doesn't make it 'run of the mill'
― Moka, Friday, 3 December 2010 09:50 (thirteen years ago) link
Given that pretty much no one outside Chicago had heard any juke a year ago, does it really matter whether it's run of the mill or not?
― Matt DC, Friday, 3 December 2010 09:59 (thirteen years ago) link
In some ways, John Roberts’ Glass Eights stands out because of the lack of good contemporary house and techno albums around – yes, it’s one of the genre’s best LPs of the year, but where’s the competition?
This seems like a weird thing to write in a Fact list that's full of house and techno albums.
― Matt DC, Friday, 3 December 2010 10:02 (thirteen years ago) link
Vibe
10. Jazmine Sullivan - Love Me Back9. Nicki Minaj - Pink Friday8. Big Boi - Sir Lucious Left Foot: The Son of Chico Dusty7. The Roots - How I Got Over6. T.I. - No Mercy5. Janelle Monáe - The ArchAndroid4. Eminem - Recovery3. Drake - Thank Me Later2. Rick Ross - Teflon Don1. Kanye West - My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy
― Mitchell Stirling, Friday, 3 December 2010 10:39 (thirteen years ago) link
^^^ Corny indie fucks.
― Matt DC, Friday, 3 December 2010 10:48 (thirteen years ago) link
lol i actively hate the entire top 6 of the vibe list
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Friday, 3 December 2010 10:51 (thirteen years ago) link
in some cases what i hate is the sheer averageness
6. T.I. - No Mercy
lol, gotta love label politics still entering the "criticism" of a magazine that no one cares about & has only been up and running for like 8 months after it went bankrupt
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Friday, 3 December 2010 10:54 (thirteen years ago) link
that album is really unbelievably dreadful
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Friday, 3 December 2010 10:55 (thirteen years ago) link
I haven't heard the TI, didn't even know it existed. What's the deal with it?
― Matt DC, Friday, 3 December 2010 10:55 (thirteen years ago) link
i really liked all the promo singles from the king uncaged campaign - then he got arrested again and it was retitled no mercy, all those singles were scrapped and i assume the entire project was cobbled together from b.o.b leftovers ;_;
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Friday, 3 December 2010 10:57 (thirteen years ago) link
it's pretty much all the worst parts of 'paper trail' as a whole album
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Friday, 3 December 2010 10:57 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean, i do recommend d/lding "ya hear me", "i'm back", "yeah ya know" and "got your back" though
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Friday, 3 December 2010 10:58 (thirteen years ago) link
and "pledge allegiance to the swag", and "dying in your arms" with jazmine sullivan. you could make a decent mini-album out of all the cuts that didn't make the actual album
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Friday, 3 December 2010 10:59 (thirteen years ago) link
leaden & unexciting beats that barely sound like rap music, really unappealing attempts at contemporary pop music
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Friday, 3 December 2010 10:59 (thirteen years ago) link
"meditative" rapping
The Dylan Ettinger and Autre Ne Veut albums have some excellent tracks, though I'm not sure they hold together as albums that well.
I haven't heard many standout albums this year tbh; I know roughly what my top 5 are, after that it's semi-random picking of albums I've enjoyed listening to a couple of times.
― seandalai, Friday, 3 December 2010 11:00 (thirteen years ago) link
i never listened to 'fuck a mixtape' but it's almost like that was a pre-release peace offering for this album barely containing rap music
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Friday, 3 December 2010 11:01 (thirteen years ago) link
two of like the only three actual rap songs prominently feature pharrell & drake, so they suck by default
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Friday, 3 December 2010 11:02 (thirteen years ago) link
What's Solar Bears' vibe? my girlfriend's well into them so i could ask her i guess but i'd rather get the ILM view.
― Darren Huckerby (Dwight Yorke), Friday, 3 December 2010 11:16 (thirteen years ago) link
Kind of hazy Boards of Canada-ish stuff on Planet Mu, mixed with maybe a little post-rock. I know that sounds like a really boring thing, but I did actually enjoy the EP that preceded the album cos those elements were combined in surprising ways. The album felt a bit too wishy-washy for me, but I did only hear it once.
― Krampus Interruptus (NickB), Friday, 3 December 2010 11:39 (thirteen years ago) link
"Amazing" on No Mercy might be as terrible as any given track by Salem.
Is the Ettinger album the one that sounds like Sonic Youth's Made in USA sdtk played through a Ford Pinto stock system?
― Andy K, Friday, 3 December 2010 11:48 (thirteen years ago) link
No, that's Rangers' Space Truckin'.
SUBURBAN TOURS
Must wake up.
― Andy K, Friday, 3 December 2010 11:49 (thirteen years ago) link
― Krampus Interruptus (NickB), Friday, 3 December 2010 11:39 (22 minutes ago) Bookmark
Cool, totally feared the worst based on their name.
― Darren Huckerby (Dwight Yorke), Friday, 3 December 2010 12:09 (thirteen years ago) link
Andy K, is that Rangers album good? Not sure what to infer from your description.
― seandalai, Friday, 3 December 2010 12:17 (thirteen years ago) link
otm alas
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 3 December 2010 12:18 (thirteen years ago) link
The Solar Bears album is excellent, nice variety of sounds on it.
― Number None, Friday, 3 December 2010 13:08 (thirteen years ago) link
The FACT top ten isn't very good though, Drake...really? And that Darkstar album was just a bore.
― Number None, Friday, 3 December 2010 13:16 (thirteen years ago) link
Crushingly disappointed by the Darkstar album. On the basis of Aidy's Girl I was expecting something great but it's so bland and insipid bar a couple of tracks.
― The baby boomers have defined everything once and for all (Dorianlynskey), Friday, 3 December 2010 13:19 (thirteen years ago) link
have to agree - when i first heard it i was massively hungover and it pretty much hit the spot, and i assumed it'd become one of my favourites of the year. when i went back to it, it was just...mimsy, and weak.
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Friday, 3 December 2010 13:21 (thirteen years ago) link
the drake album IS even worse than the kanye album, tho, that's right
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Friday, 3 December 2010 13:22 (thirteen years ago) link
Can't argue with the Oneohtrix, Emeralds and Actress albums. Forest Swords hasn't grown on me all that much. Love a few of the tracks on the Darkstar, but yeah, it's a bit *meh* overall.
― Krampus Interruptus (NickB), Friday, 3 December 2010 13:23 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah the Darkstar album is BORING, a lot of the prose I read about it seemed to centre on them having moved beyond dubstep but I'd never imagined that 'fifth rate Junior Boys' was what lay on the other side. It's like they ran out of ideas after Aidy's Girl.
I've never heard of, let alone heard, that Forest Swords album at #1. Any good?
― Matt DC, Friday, 3 December 2010 13:26 (thirteen years ago) link
Hmm. Forest Swords is definitely the best of the OESB batch that I've heard and I think I pencilled it in as my #5 for the year. It doesn't scream "year-defining album" for me though.
Agree that the Darkstar album is lame, really dislike Salem too. OPN and Emeralds albums are decent but somehow they didn't click for me.
― seandalai, Friday, 3 December 2010 13:27 (thirteen years ago) link
Anyone heard the Altered Natives? Sounds intriguing but heard little discussion about it.
― sam500, Friday, 3 December 2010 13:38 (thirteen years ago) link
the altered natives album is vg. more top 30 of the year than top 10 for me, but it's def strong and worth checking out. love the more acidy moments like "rage of aquarius".
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Friday, 3 December 2010 13:50 (thirteen years ago) link
I'll be listening to the 14 or so albums of the FACT top 20 I haven't heard yet, will report back this weekend.
― Fastnbulbous, Friday, 3 December 2010 13:59 (thirteen years ago) link
Listening to the Solar Bears album at the mo. Kind of warmed over cosmic/ balearic record, perfectly pleasant, nothing amazing though.
The DJ ROC record, on the other hand, is fantastic. My first thought was DJ Assault, slowed down, which probably shows how little I know about this stuff (disclosure: I am British)
― Neil S, Friday, 3 December 2010 14:03 (thirteen years ago) link
nah that makes total sense tbh. if you like it, i urge you soooo much to check out dj nate's da trak genious.
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Friday, 3 December 2010 14:10 (thirteen years ago) link
cheers, will look that one up- and I see it's on Spotify...
― Neil S, Friday, 3 December 2010 14:11 (thirteen years ago) link
my favs on it are "poetry", "call me when you're sober" and "hatas our motivation"...there's a thread on it around here somewhere too
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Friday, 3 December 2010 14:20 (thirteen years ago) link
looooool @ Drake at #7 on FACT list, fuck outta here
will rep for oneohtrix, emeralds, darkstar (album's not as bad as yall are making it out to be)
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Friday, 3 December 2010 14:38 (thirteen years ago) link
re: altered natives, i also love his last.fm bio: http://www.last.fm/music/Altered+Natives
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Friday, 3 December 2010 14:40 (thirteen years ago) link
never heard of forest swords til now, but the song FACT included is waaaaaayy up my alley -- A+
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Friday, 3 December 2010 14:43 (thirteen years ago) link
That's probably the best song on the album, but the others are good too.
― seandalai, Friday, 3 December 2010 14:45 (thirteen years ago) link
Really like the first of this year's Altered Natives albums (Tenement Yard Vol 1); haven't heard the second one (Serial Vendetta) yet. There's a marked stylistic between the two, right?
― mike t-diva, Friday, 3 December 2010 15:16 (thirteen years ago) link
"marked stylistic difference", bah...
― mike t-diva, Friday, 3 December 2010 15:17 (thirteen years ago) link
haha i really like the autre ne veut disc.
also: the darkstar was very disappointing. p4k listed it as "grime/dubstep album of the year," which was sort of bewildering.
― Daniel, Esq., Friday, 3 December 2010 16:09 (thirteen years ago) link
the absence and/or relative low-placing of vampire weekend on a lot of these lists is making me think they might be better than i think they are.
― a tenth level which features a single castle (tipsy mothra), Friday, 3 December 2010 16:36 (thirteen years ago) link
Kind of surprised by the almost total absence of Hot Chip as well, even on British lists.
― Matt DC, Friday, 3 December 2010 16:49 (thirteen years ago) link
Vampire Weekend and Hot Chip were both in my top 10 when I was asked to vote - I placed them feeling slightly embarrassed that I liked such obvious consensus albums so much so I'm quite relieved they've been relatively snubbed TBH
― The baby boomers have defined everything once and for all (Dorianlynskey), Friday, 3 December 2010 16:52 (thirteen years ago) link
I've been re-listening to a ton of stuff while compiling my end of year mix, and the Vampire Weekend still sounds fresh. Maybe partly because I hadn't heard it in 8 months, but am enjoying it even more than the first run. Hot Chip also to a lesser extent.
― Fastnbulbous, Friday, 3 December 2010 16:57 (thirteen years ago) link
I like the Forest Swords guy's take on blues in that featured track, but Sun Araw does it better I think
― Dan S, Friday, 3 December 2010 17:02 (thirteen years ago) link
Darkstar I guess is more album-oriented than uk funky, r'n'b or dancehall for many
― curmudgeon, Friday, 3 December 2010 20:30 (thirteen years ago) link
lol @ fact posting the youtube link to the "shut it down" demo that is much better than the one that made it onto the album
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Friday, 3 December 2010 20:44 (thirteen years ago) link
US hip-hop, R’n'B and indie alike decided this was the year to pay tribute to Houston’s chopped and screwed legacy, but few did it as subtly and satisfyingly as Drake.
suggest ban
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Friday, 3 December 2010 20:45 (thirteen years ago) link
i'll buy that drake's album is chillwave before i buy that it's a tribute to screw
a tribute to screw
ha. this sounds elegant and vulgar at the same time
― Daniel, Esq., Friday, 3 December 2010 20:47 (thirteen years ago) link
also they posted an audio link to the 34 min version of "runaway"
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Friday, 3 December 2010 20:50 (thirteen years ago) link
Definitely, thought #1 is a bit OTT.
― Tim F, Friday, 3 December 2010 22:14 (thirteen years ago) link
Thought there would be more love for the ceo, Radio Dept, Trentemoller, Pantha Du Prince, The-Dream and of course LINDSTROM & CHRISTABELLE albums across these lists. Still, at least that horrible Aeroplane LP has been mostly ignored.
― o0o00h really? (boxedjoy), Friday, 3 December 2010 22:20 (thirteen years ago) link
Oh, Holly Miranda too, I thought that would have been more popular.
― o0o00h really? (boxedjoy), Friday, 3 December 2010 22:24 (thirteen years ago) link
fact placing drake at #7 doesn't even make gd sense
― The Reverend, Friday, 3 December 2010 23:31 (thirteen years ago) link
Lindstrom + Christabelle is 2009, isn't it?
― seandalai, Saturday, 4 December 2010 00:51 (thirteen years ago) link
x-post -in the non-ILX world Drake sold lots of music and received some pretty good reviews
― curmudgeon, Saturday, 4 December 2010 05:33 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, but it doesn't make sense as something fact would sop to? like it's tangential to their aesthetic at best and not as hard to ignore (or as good) as kanye
― The Reverend, Saturday, 4 December 2010 06:04 (thirteen years ago) link
fact magazine is like pretty far from the real world
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 4 December 2010 06:05 (thirteen years ago) link
haha yeah, that bastion of populism fact magazine
― The Reverend, Saturday, 4 December 2010 06:07 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm eager to see where the Forest Swords album (top 3 for me) will end up in the Wire rewind list. Remembering that it was reviewed along with the Rangers record which got all the praise (and 3/4 of the lines)
― maarten, Saturday, 4 December 2010 11:26 (thirteen years ago) link
Critic Banning Eyre of Afropop.org's list
http://blog.afropop.org/2010/12/afropops-2010-stocking-stuffers.html
I had not heard of this desert bluesy rockin' band before-Tamikrest - Adagh (Glitterhouse)
― curmudgeon, Saturday, 4 December 2010 13:39 (thirteen years ago) link
Afropop.org top Latin and Brazilian new and reissues
http://blog.afropop.org/2010/12/top-latin-records-and-best-compilations.html
Calle 13, Luisa Maita, Afro-Sound of Colombia, Roots of Chicha 2 and more
― curmudgeon, Saturday, 4 December 2010 14:11 (thirteen years ago) link
xpost Lindstrom & Christabelle released Jan 2010, but floating around for so long before that that it feels like an autumn 2009 record. Was in my Top 10 for this year.
― ithappens, Saturday, 4 December 2010 16:58 (thirteen years ago) link
Rock-A-Rolla Top 40 Albums Of 2010
40. Hey Colossus & The Van Halen Time Capsule - Eurogrumble vol 139. Black Sun - Twilight Of The Gods38. Zs - Social Slaves37. Envy - Recitation36. Salome - Terminal35. Barn Owl - Ancestral Star34. The Body - All The Waters Of The Earth Turn To Blood33. Yakuza - Of Seismic Consequence32. Wino - Adrift31. Unearthly Trance - V30. Ultralyd - Inertiadrome29. Black Breath - Heavy Breathing28. The High Confessions - Turning Lead...27. Knut - Wonder26. White Hills - White Hills25. Three Mile Pilot - The Inevitable Past...24. The Red Sparowes - The Fear Is Excruciating23. Emeralds - Does It Look Like I'm Here?22. Black Tusk - Taste The Sin21. Daughters - S/T20. Arabrot - Revenge19. Shining - Blackjazz18. Torche - Songs For Singles17. Twilight - Monument To Time End16. Killing Joke - Absolute Dissent15. High On Fire - Snakes For The Divine14. Celeste - Morte(s) Nee(s)13. Grinderman - Grinderman 212. Iron Maiden - The Final Frontier11. Liars - Sisterworld10. Oneohtrix Point Never - Returnal9. Ufomammut - Eve8. Kayo Dot - Coyote7. Motorpsycho - Heavy Metal Fruit 6. U.S. Christmas - Run Thick In The Night5. Master Musicians Of Bukkake - Totem Two4. Mike Patton - Mondo Cake3. Harvey Milk - A Small Turn Of Human Kindness2. Melvins - The Bride Screamed Murder1. Swans - My Father Will Guide Me Up A Rope
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Saturday, 4 December 2010 18:14 (thirteen years ago) link
Currently being blown away by Rashed Al Majed – Jalsat Wanasa 2010. I think this may move Daddy Yankee a step down for me.
You desert blues type will appreciate the. . . I think it's electric oud, not sure, in some of this. Not really so far off from all that Tuareg stuff, except more Arab sounding, which of course makes sense considering it is Arab. It's Khaleeji.
― _Rudipherous_, Saturday, 4 December 2010 19:57 (thirteen years ago) link
Okay maybe it's not going to turn my list upside down, but it's still pretty good and will find a place there.
― _Rudipherous_, Saturday, 4 December 2010 20:36 (thirteen years ago) link
Hey Colossus & The Van Halen Time Capsule
should top every list based on the name alone, tho i'm offended by the idea that van-halen belongs in a time capsule.
― Daniel, Esq., Saturday, 4 December 2010 21:14 (thirteen years ago) link
The Lindstrom & Christabelle was available as a limited edition 3CD set (including Little Drummer Boy) from Rough Trade from November 2009 - which is when I bought my copy - but it wasn't available elsewhere until January 2010.
― mike t-diva, Sunday, 5 December 2010 00:38 (thirteen years ago) link
Algerian Goalkeeper, you rule. Got 7 more albums to chew on tomorrow, will be a nice break from all the house/techno/dubstep electronic stuff from the Fact list. Glad to see Ufomammut finally show up on a list, FFS.
― Fastnbulbous, Sunday, 5 December 2010 05:03 (thirteen years ago) link
No worries. My copy arrived on friday.
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Sunday, 5 December 2010 14:27 (thirteen years ago) link
I oughta pay attention to Rock-A-Rolla, huh
still haven't heard that goddamn Kayo Dot album
― Cap.Obv (acoleuthic), Sunday, 5 December 2010 14:31 (thirteen years ago) link
The Swans album is good...although I tend to prefer my Swans/Angels of Light pretty rather than punishing, and this new one maybe veers towards the less melodic.
― Davek (davek_00), Sunday, 5 December 2010 14:39 (thirteen years ago) link
So Pitchfork aside, are there any 'big' magazines still to declare?
― groovypanda, Sunday, 5 December 2010 15:00 (thirteen years ago) link
Terrorizer, Kerrang.
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Sunday, 5 December 2010 15:14 (thirteen years ago) link
lots, i think, at least among online magazines (like p4k), e.g., popmatters, dusted, resident advisor. most lists start coming out this week, i imagine.
― Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 5 December 2010 15:18 (thirteen years ago) link
AMG too.
― President Keyes, Sunday, 5 December 2010 15:40 (thirteen years ago) link
is The Wire out yet?
― sofatruck, Sunday, 5 December 2010 16:10 (thirteen years ago) link
Don't think so, my copy hasn't arrived anyway.
― seandalai, Sunday, 5 December 2010 20:43 (thirteen years ago) link
Here's a list of lists that I find interesting, and the date they came out last year. Not necessarily all that similar to my own tastes, but are unique enough that they always have some must-hear entries I missed earlier in the year. Anyone got the Rock-A-Rolla list?Quietus, Dec 8FACT, Dec 11The Wire, Dec 14Brainwashed, Jan 4Silent Ballet, Dec 25Rock-A-Rolla, Nov 25Decibel, Nov 25Terrorizer, Dec 31Treblezine, Dec 14Cokemachineglow, Dec 22Resident Advisor, Dec 17Artrocker, Dec 3
Still a good number of lists to look forward to. Just listened to or revisited a dozen albums from the Rock-A-Rolla list. The big one for me is Motorpsycho - Heavy Metal Fruit. Love it! Årabrot - Revenge was also one that might make my top 50. The Melvins album has three great tracks, but is way too inconsistent to place that high for me. Have never been able to get into Harvey Milk. Mike Patton's album was an interesting find. I guess his wife is Italian, and this is live performances from Europe, sung mostly in Italian, chopped and edited. Master Musicians of Bukkake is good, Kayo Dot impressive as a whole but hard to pick any standout moment, and Shining is a pretty hardcore avant jazz trip that is tough going beyond small doses. U.S. Christmas has good moments, but also causes fatigue after more than a few cuts. Just can't get in the mood to listen to Celeste at all. Love that they put Iron Maiden up there, even though I like Slough Feg, The Sword, Sahg and Grand Magus more.
Interesting crossover between that list and FACT - Oneohtrix Point Never. I got on board with them last year, but was late in getting the new one. Forrest Swords is the one album that I liked enough to possibly crack my top 50, possibly. Digital Mystikz is good but not necessarily in one sitting. Altered Natives, Solar Bears, Guido, Emeralds, Actress, JJ are all impressive in different ways, but just not my thing enough to make my top 100.
― Fastnbulbous, Sunday, 5 December 2010 21:06 (thirteen years ago) link
Meant to cross out FACT, not Quietus, which is out tomorrow.
― Fastnbulbous, Sunday, 5 December 2010 21:07 (thirteen years ago) link
fact's list is a collection of albums maybe worth checking out placed in random order, as per usual, yet is still the best list so far
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Monday, 6 December 2010 00:37 (thirteen years ago) link
The Quietus Albums Of 2010http://thequietus.com/articles/05391-quietus-albums-of-the-year-2010
1. Liars - Sisterworld2. Salem - King Night3. Swans - My Father Will Guide Me Up A Rope To The Sky4. These New Puritans - Hidden5. The Fall - Your Future Our Clutter6. Walls - Walls7. Lindstrom and Christabelle - Real Life Is No Cool8. Teeth Of The Sea - Your Mercury9. New Young Pony Club - The Optimist10. UFOmammut - Eve11. Gayngs - Relayted12. Electric Wizard - Black Masses13. Cathedral - The Guessing Game14. Besnard Lakes - Are The Roaring Night15. Grinderman - Grinderman II16. Zola Jesus - Stridulum II17. The Body - And All The Waters Of The Earth Shall Turn To Blood18. Pan Sonic - Gravitoni19. Janelle Monae - The Archandroid20. Big Boi - Sir Lucious Leftfoot: Son Of Chico Dusty21. Anika - Anika22. FM Einheit - No Apologies23. Barn Owl - Ancestral Star24. Oneohtrix Point Never - Returnal25. Shining - Blackjazz26. Flying Lotus - Cosmogramma27. I Like Trains - He Who Saw The Deep28. Shit Robot - From The Cradle To The Rave29. High On Fire - Snakes For The Divine30. Lonelady - Nerve Up31. Jane Weaver - The Fallen By Watchbird32. Pantha Du Prince - Black Noise33. Napoleon III - Christiana34. Gil Scott-Heron - I’m New Here35. Arabrot - Revenge36. Ali Farka Touré and Toumani Diabaté - Ali and Toumani37. Arcade Fire - The Suburbs38. Demdike Stare - Symbiosis39. Mulatu Astatke - Mulatu Steps Ahead40. White Hills - White Hills/White Hills Drop Out With GNOD/Stolen Stars Left For No-one
― O Permaban (NickB), Monday, 6 December 2010 10:47 (thirteen years ago) link
I can't take seriously any list with Salem in their top 20 (especially their #2), because it becomes abundantly clear to me that the listmakers actually hate everything about music.
― Lightning Is For Babies (Johnny Fever), Monday, 6 December 2010 10:51 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm more interested in FACT's tracks list than its albums list - when does that start?
― Matt DC, Monday, 6 December 2010 13:01 (thirteen years ago) link
I can't take any list with Kanye anywhere near it (srs Gareth Campesinos? and there was me on the kanye thread saying that kanye going to lc! instead of bon ivor would have made it like a billion times better) seriously. Salem are at least intresting with their rapey gaze.
― purblind snowcock splattered (a hoy hoy), Monday, 6 December 2010 13:19 (thirteen years ago) link
If wonder if the headlong rush to overpraise the Kanye record is out of a desperate desire for honest-to-god POP STARS. There's a real dearth of acts with actual presence here. 2009-10 critical consensus is a triumph of facelessness really. What do Salem look like? Who cares? Does anyone look at The National or The Arcade Fire onstage and think "OMG rock icons"? You look at these lists and you start to realise why the NME et al were so desperate for The Stroke and the White Strips to come along a decade ago. Say whatever about Janelle Monae or Nicki Minaj or whoever but at least they're trying.
― Matt DC, Monday, 6 December 2010 13:35 (thirteen years ago) link
As far as the rock music press goes this moment actually feels a bit like this time 10 years ago, for the above reasons.
― Tim F, Monday, 6 December 2010 13:37 (thirteen years ago) link
If wonder if the headlong rush to overpraise the Kanye record is out of a desperate desire for honest-to-god POP STARS
i kind of feel like this whenever i read another 5000-word tumblr screed on why ke$ha is so important, too
i mean look at the goddamn pop charts, that's all the explanation you need for this state of affairs
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Monday, 6 December 2010 13:38 (thirteen years ago) link
Pop stars includes ROCK STARS as well. Enough fucking Brooklynites in cardigans, Jesus.
― Matt DC, Monday, 6 December 2010 13:40 (thirteen years ago) link
that reminds me that i really need to buy some new sweaters.
― scott seward, Monday, 6 December 2010 13:53 (thirteen years ago) link
Drowned in Sound's Favourite Albums of 2010
1) Emeralds Does It Look Like I’m Here?2) The National High Violet3) Deftones Diamond Eyes4) Perfume Genius Learning5) The Knife Tomorrow, In a Year6) These New Puritans Hidden7) Shearwater The Golden Archipelago8) Yeasayer Odd Blood9) LCD Soundsystem This Is Happening10) Sufjan Stevens Age of Adz11) Arcade Fire The Suburbs (Review)12) Big Boi Sir Lucious Left Foot... The Son of Chico Dusty (Review)13) Weezer Hurley (Review)14) Rufus Wainwright All Days Are Nights: Songs for Lulu (Review)15) Pantha du Prince Black Noise (Review)16) Kanye West My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy (Review)17) Mount Kimbie Crooks & Lovers (Review)18) Crystal Castles Crystal Castles II (Review)19) Caribou Swim (Review)20) Kelis Flesh Tone (Review)21) Flying Lotus Cosmogramma (Review)22) The Besnard Lakes ...Are the Roaring Night (Review)23) Oneohtrix Point Never Returnal (Review)24) Villagers Becoming the Jackal (Review)25) Blood Red Shoes Fire Like This (Review)26) The Phantom Band The Wants (Review)27) Errors Come Down With Me (Review)28) White Hinterland Kairos (Review)29) Max Richter Infra (Review)30) Deerhunter Halcyon Digest (Review)31) Erykah Badu New Amerykah Part Two: Return of the Ankh (Review)32) Los Campesinos! Romance is Boring (Review)33) Foals Total Life Forever (Review)34) Joanna Newsom Have One on Me (Review)35) Uffie Sex Dreams and Denim Jeans (Review) / Interview)36) Richard Skelton Landings (Review)37) Marnie Stern Marnie Stern (Review)38) 65DaysofStatic We Were Exploding Anyway (Review)39) Gold Panda Lucky Shiner (Review)40) Sleigh Bells Treats (Review)41) Ariel Pink’s Haunted Graffitti Before Today (Review)42) Janelle Monae The ArchAndroid (Review)43) Liars Sisterworld (Review)44) Forest Swords Dagger Paths (Review)45) Broken Bells Broken Bells (Review) / Interview)46) Gil Scott-Heron I’m New Here (Review)47) Four Tet There Is Love in You (Review)48) Ikonika Contact, Love, Want, Have (Review)49) No Age Everything In Between (Review)50) Trent Reznor & Atticus Ross The Social Network (Interview) 51) Bryan Ferry Olympia (Review)52) Laura Marling I Speak Because I Can (Review)53) Wild Nothing Gemini (Interview)54) Gonjasufi A Sufi and a Killer (Review)55) The Walkmen Lisbon (Review)56) Matthew Dear Black City (Review)57) Darkstar North (Review / Interview)58) Daft Punk Tron: Legacy (Review)59) Gorillaz Plastic Beach (Review)60) Robyn Body Talk 1-3 (Reviews)61) Women Public Strain (Review)62) The Roots How I Got Over (Review)63) Brian Eno Small Craft on a Milk Sea (Review64) Frightened Rabbit The Winter of Mixed Drinks (Review)65) Darren Hayman Essex Arms (Review)66) of Montreal False Priest (Review)67) Jonsi Go (Review / Interview)68) Sky Larkin Kaleide (Review)69) Belle and Sebastian Write About Love (Review)70) Surfer Blood Astro Coast (Review to Follow)71) Everything Everything Man Alive (Review)72) Twin Shadow Forget (Review)73) Interpol Interpol (Review)74) Beach House Teen Dream (Review)75) Rolo Tomassi Cosmology (Review)
― Fastnbulbous, Monday, 6 December 2010 13:56 (thirteen years ago) link
the past couple of years for me have been a slow, grim realisation that the rock press, and the history of criticism, and the music that gets canonised, will never get any better
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Monday, 6 December 2010 13:58 (thirteen years ago) link
Holy shit at Deftones at number three. Is this one of those "not for this album, but because they need some general respect right about now" placements? Because the new one is good, but they've done far more interesting things in the past that have been completely ignored.
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 6 December 2010 14:05 (thirteen years ago) link
And aside from the album charts, look at the top grossing concerts - Bon Jovi, James Taylor, Taylor Swift, George Strait, Eminem, Jay-Z, Black Eyed Peas, John Mayer, Nickelback, Michael Buble, Elton John, Eric Clapton, etc. Swift will show up in the upcoming more mainstream lists, but otherwise not much crossover between these worlds. Mostly same as it ever was.
Isn't it pointless to dismiss entire lists based on one album you don't like?
Glad to see Ufomammut again on Quietus. Will finally get around to hearing Walls, Teeth Of The Sea, Perfume Genius. Deftones, wow, forgot about them.
― Fastnbulbous, Monday, 6 December 2010 14:12 (thirteen years ago) link
I need to hear that UFOmammut.
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 6 December 2010 14:14 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.factmag.com/2010/12/06/100-best-tracks-of-2010-100-81/
― Matt DC, Monday, 6 December 2010 16:15 (thirteen years ago) link
love the bookends to that section particularly - r1 ryders really impress me, and obv cassie is #cassiefanclub
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Monday, 6 December 2010 16:23 (thirteen years ago) link
so the kanye, big boi and roots were the only rap records of the year. good to know.
― purblind snowcock splattered (a hoy hoy), Monday, 6 December 2010 16:27 (thirteen years ago) link
they were the only ones people in the white music industry cared about, yes
not sure why this is unexpected or shocking
― Yeezy reupholstered my pussy (DJP), Monday, 6 December 2010 16:28 (thirteen years ago) link
I have heard about 3 of those 20 FACT tracks. So much for my illusions of "knowing about stuff".
― seandalai, Monday, 6 December 2010 16:30 (thirteen years ago) link
I'd say that Wut is pretty much a lock to win that Fact poll but it's about the journey innit.
― Matt DC, Monday, 6 December 2010 16:31 (thirteen years ago) link
FACT reliably makes me feel like I've spent the whole year missing stuff.
― The baby boomers have defined everything once and for all (Dorianlynskey), Monday, 6 December 2010 16:32 (thirteen years ago) link
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/513GG9g2p9L._SL500_AA280_.jpg
^I am pretty intrigued by this, the sample on the link isn't rly long enough to tell you much but it has the kind of shit artwork that makes you think it'll be great
― smoking on his cigarette / listening to a Carcass set (DJ Mencap), Monday, 6 December 2010 16:37 (thirteen years ago) link
92: JAMES PANTS‘I LIVE INSIDE AN EGG’(STONES THROW)
How did you possibly miss this one?
― Matt DC, Monday, 6 December 2010 16:38 (thirteen years ago) link
Mencap - the entire EP is storming, well worth checking out.
― Matt DC, Monday, 6 December 2010 16:39 (thirteen years ago) link
is it really? every sample i heard this year sounded pretty shit.
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Monday, 6 December 2010 16:40 (thirteen years ago) link
glad FACT continues its reign of making more british / more dance versions of the same lists everyone else does.
hey guys!! that big boi album isnt all that
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Monday, 6 December 2010 16:56 (thirteen years ago) link
not sure why this is unexpected or shocking DJP
Please post the lists from the non-white industry
― curmudgeon, Monday, 6 December 2010 16:57 (thirteen years ago) link
is it really? every sample i heard this year sounded pretty shit
Depends what you're looking for, they're straight-up functional bangers by and large, so they're not really going to sound their best on a streamed sample. House Girls 6 is better than House Girls 1 though, takes the metallic clanks from Dennis Ferrer's Hey Hey and just clatters away all over the top.
― Matt DC, Monday, 6 December 2010 17:00 (thirteen years ago) link
deej, exactly how many different records do they have to feature before they stop being a version of everyone else's list?
And please someone, recommend some great neglected 2010 hip hop albums instead of complaining about their absence.
― The baby boomers have defined everything once and for all (Dorianlynskey), Monday, 6 December 2010 17:05 (thirteen years ago) link
Spin's Top 40 albums of 2010 (don't think anybody's posted this yet); I'll let somebody else do the scrolling and listing:
http://www.spin.com/gallery/40-best-albums-2010
― xhuxk, Monday, 6 December 2010 17:07 (thirteen years ago) link
swag cru -- POX year end song recommendations
also
WAKACurren$yLil B's various tapesOFGWKTAStarlitoYelawolf
― purblind snowcock splattered (a hoy hoy), Monday, 6 December 2010 17:08 (thirteen years ago) link
Ta
― The baby boomers have defined everything once and for all (Dorianlynskey), Monday, 6 December 2010 17:08 (thirteen years ago) link
great neglected hip-hop albums: waka flocka flame, yelawolf (mixtape and album), the jacka & laroo, rah digga, gucci mane's jewelry selection mixtape. i think the big boi is more than worthy of a place on these lists, though i wouldn't rank it that highly - it grew off me quite a lot, though "shutterbugg" is still one of the singles of the year.
the clip i heard of house girls 6 was even worse, just an over-cluttered mess that made me want to listen to "hey hey" instead.
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Monday, 6 December 2010 17:09 (thirteen years ago) link
oh yeah that digga is doooooope. didnt really care for any of gucci's 2010 tapes but i didnt give them enough time.
― purblind snowcock splattered (a hoy hoy), Monday, 6 December 2010 17:10 (thirteen years ago) link
i gave both curren$y albums a listen and they were ok enough but didn't really grab me. i love the idea of lil b and in the right mood can totally vibe to his music, but i get bored after a medium-sized dose of him.
what's the deal with the odd future wolf gang thing? i can't bring myself to click on any thread with so many answers.
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Monday, 6 December 2010 17:11 (thirteen years ago) link
dope teenage crew from the westcoast = 200 new answers. dope teenage crew who also have rape jokes in some of their lyrics = a million new answers. best place to start lex is the mellow hype record lex, i think you'll really enjoy it.
― purblind snowcock splattered (a hoy hoy), Monday, 6 December 2010 17:13 (thirteen years ago) link
jewelry selection is a terrific mixtape, esp its second half, but i've kind of given up on gucci mane ever getting it together to fulfil his potential on a proper album, and i basically can't be bothered to particularly rep for artists whose careers are basically just them dribbling on to the internet without any sort of editorial process and leaving their fans to actually curate their shit into some sort of sense
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Monday, 6 December 2010 17:15 (thirteen years ago) link
Are there any 2010 dancehall or roots reggae albums that have gotten any attention? Will its more high-profile crossover status from some years back ever return?
― curmudgeon, Monday, 6 December 2010 17:16 (thirteen years ago) link
Stay tuned.
― bourgeoistech bourgeoisthèque (_Rudipherous_), Monday, 6 December 2010 17:17 (thirteen years ago) link
lol @ Spin putting Teenage Fanclub at #40
never change, you crazy guys
― Yeezy reupholstered my pussy (DJP), Monday, 6 December 2010 17:18 (thirteen years ago) link
busy signal's d.o.b. is a terrific dancehall album - several songs that were quite old to me but if you haven't been following him i def recommend it
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Monday, 6 December 2010 17:18 (thirteen years ago) link
Does Gyptian count? That album has popped up in a few lists.
By all means pass this judgement but listen to the record first!
― Matt DC, Monday, 6 December 2010 17:19 (thirteen years ago) link
what i've heard has not motivated me to spend £££ to listen to the record
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Monday, 6 December 2010 17:20 (thirteen years ago) link
"This minimal techno record sounded like shit based on the 30second sample I heard on Juno".
― Matt DC, Monday, 6 December 2010 17:20 (thirteen years ago) link
lol @ Spin, Drake did not release the 16th best album of the year
(although thank you for not putting it in the top 10, and for leaving Eminem down in the low 30s)
― Yeezy reupholstered my pussy (DJP), Monday, 6 December 2010 17:21 (thirteen years ago) link
i basically can't be bothered to particularly rep for artists whose careers are basically just them dribbling on to the internet without any sort of editorial process and leaving their fans to actually curate their shit into some sort of sense
to clarify i mean this w/r/t artists of a certain status - obv i'm totally happy to do this for emerging artists at the start of their career, but gucci mane should be well beyond it, and it actively pisses me off that he can't get a grip on his career.
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Monday, 6 December 2010 17:25 (thirteen years ago) link
Surprised by Teenage Fanclub placing on so many lists. One of my favourite groups ever, but this album seemed very moderate to me. A nostalgia vote from people who suspect it might be their last album?
― ithappens, Monday, 6 December 2010 17:26 (thirteen years ago) link
The Spin list:
40. Teenage Fanclub - Shadows39. Caribou - Swim38. Eminem - Recovery37. The Walkmen - Lisbon36. The Gaslight Anthem - American Slang35. Robert Plant - Band Of Joy34. Against Me! - White Crosses33. Ted Leo & The Pharmacists - Brutalist Bricks32. Big K.R.I.T. - K.R.I.T. Wuz Here31. Spoon - Transference30. The Black Keys - Brothers29. Sleight Bells - Treats28. Neil Young - Le Noise27. Glasser - Ring26. The National - High Violet25. Of Montreal - False Priest24. Wavves - King Of The Beach23. Gorillaz - Plastic Beach22. Cee Lo Green - The Lady Killer21. Crystal Castles - Crystal Castles20. MGMT - Congratulations19. No Age - Everything In Between18. Superchunk - Majesty Shredding17. Beach House - Teen Dream16. Drake - Thank Me Later15. Titus Andronicus - The Monitor14. Best Coast - Crazy For You13. Big Boi - Sir Lucious Left Foot The Son Of Dusty Chico12. Yeasayer - Odd Blood11. Vampire Weekend - Contra10. Robyn - Body Talk Pt. 19. Kid Cudi - Man On The Moon II: The Legend Of Mr. Rager8. MIA - M/\Y/\7. Grinderman - Grinderman 26. Janelle Monae - The ArchAndroid5. Jamey Johnson - The Guitar Song4. LCD Soundsystem - This Is Happening3. Arcade Fire - The Suburbs2. Deerhunter - Halcyon Digest1. Kanye West - My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy
― Dan S, Monday, 6 December 2010 17:26 (thirteen years ago) link
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Monday, December 6, 2010 11:15 AM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
o_O you were nicki's biggest backer //// lol rockist
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Monday, 6 December 2010 17:27 (thirteen years ago) link
xxxp well that clarifies things slightly @ lex
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Monday, 6 December 2010 17:28 (thirteen years ago) link
deej read my clarification - nicki is actually the perfect counterexample - and also wtf does "rockist" even mean in this context, is it 2004 again in your mind?
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Monday, 6 December 2010 17:28 (thirteen years ago) link
oh god xp
i basically can't be bothered to particularly rep for artists whose careers are basically just them dribbling on to the internet without any sort of editorial process and leaving their fans to actually curate their shit into some sort of sense to clarify i mean this w/r/t artists of a certain status - obv i'm totally happy to do this for emerging artists at the start of their career, but gucci mane should be well beyond it, and it actively pisses me off that he can't get a grip on his career.
No you were right the first time. MYSTIQUE and QUALITY CONTROL, people. I know the former has kind of gone out of the window in the Twitter age but still. Although given what happens when major label rap artists start giving up control over the editorial process maybe it's the lesser of two evils.
Also srlsy fuck Spin for coining the phrase "art-soul" and then using it about YEASAYER.
― Matt DC, Monday, 6 December 2010 17:28 (thirteen years ago) link
a proper album
if only he could get it together & release a proper album like paris hilton
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Monday, 6 December 2010 17:29 (thirteen years ago) link
― Matt DC, Monday, December 6, 2010 11:28 AM (37 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
if u are arguing this you never 'got' gucci mane in the 1st place
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Monday, 6 December 2010 17:30 (thirteen years ago) link
i could probably put together 15 gucci mane tracks from 2010 - not just off jewelry selection - that could be an album of the year contender, like top 5 of the year. why the fuck can't he do it, then? why are some of his best tracks not even on mixtapes? still?
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Monday, 6 December 2010 17:30 (thirteen years ago) link
jewelry selection is a perfectly fine album & better rap LP than the nicki record for just one example
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Monday, 6 December 2010 17:32 (thirteen years ago) link
just reading the phrase 'proper album' has me rmde
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Monday, 6 December 2010 17:35 (thirteen years ago) link
aw, I was just posting the Spin top 10
Spin really makes me lol; I disagree with over half their choices yet still somehow as an aggregate they manage to continue to rep 80% of my overall musical aesthetic better than anyone else
― Yeezy reupholstered my pussy (DJP), Monday, 6 December 2010 17:36 (thirteen years ago) link
Angst Music For Sex People: The Quietus Albums Of 2010
1. Liars - Sisterworld 2. Salem - King Night 3. Swans - My Father Will Guide Me Up A Rope To The Sky 4. These New Puritans - Hidden 5. The Fall - Your Future Our Clutter 6. Walls - Walls 7. Lindstrom and Christabelle - Real Life Is No Cool 8. Teeth Of The Sea - Your Mercury 9. New Young Pony Club - The Optimist 10. UFOmammut - Eve 11. Gayngs - Relayted 12. Electric Wizard - Black Masses 13. Cathedral - The Guessing Game 14. Besnard Lakes - Are The Roaring Night 15. Grinderman - Grinderman II 16. Zola Jesus - Stridulum II 17. The Body - And All The Waters Of The Earth Shall Turn To Blood 18. Pan Sonic - Gravitoni 19. Janelle Monae - The Archandroid 20. Big Boi - Sir Lucious Leftfoot: Son Of Chico Dusty 21. Anika - Anika 22. FM Einheit - No Apologies 23. Barn Owl - Ancestral Star 24. Oneohtrix Point Never - Returnal 25. Shining - Blackjazz 26. Flying Lotus - Cosmogramma 27. I Like Trains - He Who Saw The Deep 28. Shit Robot - From The Cradle To The Rave 29. High On Fire - Snakes For The Divine 30. Lonelady - Nerve Up 31. Jane Weaver - The Fallen By Watchbird 32. Pantha Du Prince - Black Noise 33. Napoleon III - Christiana 34. Gil Scott-Heron - I’m New Here 35. Arabrot - Revenge 36. Ali Farka Touré and Toumani Diabaté - Ali and Toumani 37. Arcade Fire - The Suburbs 38. Demdike Stare - Symbiosis 39. Mulatu Astatke - Mulatu Steps Ahead
― piscesx, Monday, 6 December 2010 17:37 (thirteen years ago) link
LCD are getting crazy love in this year's polls. Don't quite get it, much as i love 2 or 3 tracks on the album.
Well, I think it's in large part because of the three albums, it's the most cohesive; regardless of whether you think the individual songs work, they do ebb and flow very nicely into each other. (Personally, I think it's the best thing he's done that I've heard by leaps and bounds.)
― Yeezy reupholstered my pussy (DJP), Monday, 6 December 2010 17:39 (thirteen years ago) link
Nice to see the Mulatu Astatke album turning up in the Quietus list, it's not world-changing but it's an enjoyable listen and deserves to be mentioned.
― seandalai, Monday, 6 December 2010 17:41 (thirteen years ago) link
thanks for posting that Spin list, their website drives my up the wall.
― sofatruck, Monday, 6 December 2010 17:41 (thirteen years ago) link
click… click… click (x40)
― The baby boomers have defined everything once and for all (Dorianlynskey), Monday, 6 December 2010 17:46 (thirteen years ago) link
Sean from Drowned.. mentions 'a strange but apparent death of consensus' in the spiel that accompnies the DIS list and i think Reynolds' piece from last year about a lack of overall consensus between crits as the last decade progressed, and why that has happened, is even more relevant than a year ago: http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/musicblog/2009/dec/07/musically-fragmented-decade
― piscesx, Monday, 6 December 2010 17:50 (thirteen years ago) link
how in the world can anyone possibly argue that there's been a death of consensus in the last two years when ALL THESE LISTS ARE BASICALLY IDENTICAL
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Monday, 6 December 2010 17:54 (thirteen years ago) link
well sure, if you view all these indie rock acts as essentially the same, the lists can be considered "basically identical". Whereas those people who, you know, like and listen to indie rock hear big differences between Deerhunter and Titus Andronicus and see lists with one or the other at the top as anything but basically identical.
― skip, Monday, 6 December 2010 17:59 (thirteen years ago) link
still, it's basically the same 50-75 albums that show up over and over...it would be nice to have a little more variety
― Dan S, Monday, 6 December 2010 18:01 (thirteen years ago) link
God you guys would have hated the lists back in 1968 when there was only like 50 albums to choose from anyway.
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 6 December 2010 18:03 (thirteen years ago) link
Yes but you can safely assume from the words "Sean from Drownedinsound mentions..." that everything that follows is going to be overexcitable bollocks with no basis in reality.
― Matt DC, Monday, 6 December 2010 18:07 (thirteen years ago) link
We’ll be listing them in groups of ten, so today it’s entries 100 to 81, on Tuesday it’s 80-61, Wednesday 60-41, Thursday 40-21, and finally 20-1 on Friday.
lol at this ^^ on the FACT tracks list; these are NOT groups of ten u idiots!
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Monday, 6 December 2010 18:25 (thirteen years ago) link
Our list doesn't have that much in common with the others. Cathedral, High On Fire, Pansonic, Mulatu Astatke, Demdike Stare, Shining, The Body, Arabrot, Jane Weaver, Napoleon III, Electric Wizard, UFOmammut, Ali Farka Toure and Toumani Diabate, I Like Trains, Barn Owl, Anika... I mean, I'm not going to start pretending I like really obscure records just to make it even more diverse than it already is.
― Carl Jung Jeezy (Doran), Monday, 6 December 2010 18:40 (thirteen years ago) link
are you from fact? i was being kinda troll-y with that, obv, but i do believe that FACT's lists arent really that difft in terms of the values / aesthetics they favor than pfork is ... just less trad indie, less folk, more idm, more dubstep, more eurotechno
its sorta like, take a pfork list & center it around burial instead of animal collective (by switching each artist's placements)
i mean, this basically is "Fact music" so im not really criticizing this approach on its own terms, just arguing that its not nearly as refreshingly unexpected as ppl sometimes present it
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Monday, 6 December 2010 18:53 (thirteen years ago) link
Well, yeah but I'm helpless in the face of trolls... it's my achille's heel. No, I'm from the Quietus. I like FACT's list but I'm more into industrial/ metal/ drone/ noise etc than dance music, hence the weighting on ours.
― Carl Jung Jeezy (Doran), Monday, 6 December 2010 19:02 (thirteen years ago) link
That R1 Ryders track is banging by the way.
― Matt DC, Monday, 6 December 2010 19:16 (thirteen years ago) link
I liked that Quietus list a lot, Doran. Lots of character, and lots of recommendations I'm excited to check out. Also: It takes balls ranking Salem so high. That's an album with definite merit, but an album that can be really taxing to defend.
― Evan R, Monday, 6 December 2010 19:28 (thirteen years ago) link
Quite. I cringed involuntarily when I saw how high it came in. Cheers.
― Carl Jung Jeezy (Doran), Monday, 6 December 2010 19:30 (thirteen years ago) link
― Matt DC, Monday, December 6, 2010 12:07 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark
surprised it took 5 posts before someone made this point
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Monday, 6 December 2010 19:32 (thirteen years ago) link
in many of these lists, salem are actually standing out in a good way - kinda feel sorry for anyone who thinks they're worse than the national. arcade fire, sleigh bells, gayngs etc etc
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Monday, 6 December 2010 19:32 (thirteen years ago) link
― skip, Monday, December 6, 2010 11:59 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark
this post is hilarious
I'm not really into either of those bands but even from cursory listens it's pretty easy to see they sound absolutely nothing like each other.
― Carl Jung Jeezy (Doran), Monday, 6 December 2010 19:36 (thirteen years ago) link
I am completely comfortable in saying that if you like Salem more than Sleigh Bells, you are probably a racist.
― Yeezy reupholstered my pussy (DJP), Monday, 6 December 2010 19:40 (thirteen years ago) link
i realize deerhunter & titus andronicus are different bands, but if they show up 10-1 on one list and 1-10 on another, there's a REALLY good chance that those are gonna be similar ass lists
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Monday, 6 December 2010 19:41 (thirteen years ago) link
the thing about the SPIN gallery is not the 40 click thrus (tons of websites do this & it's probably gonna be the least of crimes as we move forward) but that their site is slow as shit -- the combination is intolerable
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Monday, 6 December 2010 19:43 (thirteen years ago) link
^^^ otm
― Yeezy reupholstered my pussy (DJP), Monday, 6 December 2010 19:43 (thirteen years ago) link
The New York Times was so courageous in covering Salem, and making it safe for blogs to put them in their top 10s.
― curmudgeon, Monday, 6 December 2010 19:51 (thirteen years ago) link
Haha, I actually sent "House Girls 6" in full to some people Lex but left you off because you said you hated it...
In my top 3 tracks of the year dudes, if that means anything.
― Tim F, Monday, 6 December 2010 20:10 (thirteen years ago) link
Are there any actual standout tracks on that Teenage Fanclub album? Is it worth checking out?
― billstevejim, Monday, 6 December 2010 20:10 (thirteen years ago) link
"Power," the most exhilarating, witty, and necessarily bombastic track of his career
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Monday, 6 December 2010 20:37 (thirteen years ago) link
not really billsteve...but still worth checking out/finding a stream.
― skip, Monday, 6 December 2010 20:41 (thirteen years ago) link
"house girls 6" cost me 69p and it was definitely worth it
― just sayin, Monday, 6 December 2010 21:51 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah House Girls 6 is great, I don't get how anyone could rep for Hey Hey and the Ayobaness comp and not like it.
― Matt DC, Monday, 6 December 2010 21:58 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm liking this Solar Bears album as well - brightly coloured cartoon beach music. Also a bit like Boards of Canada picked the whole Robygiv vibe and built from there.
― Matt DC, Monday, 6 December 2010 22:00 (thirteen years ago) link
the Quietus 2010 list contains one actual hip-hop album (Big Boi) and two others tangentially related to hip-hop (Janelle, Flying Lotus), yet places an album that offensively steal most of its ideas from hip-hop at #2 (Salem). who would truly prefer white guys making light of black music and culture to actual hip-hop? i like the rest of the list, but Salem at #2 is just embarrassing
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Monday, 6 December 2010 22:02 (thirteen years ago) link
wow, a direct truthbomb from ilxor
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Monday, 6 December 2010 22:03 (thirteen years ago) link
who'da thunk it? ;)
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Monday, 6 December 2010 22:05 (thirteen years ago) link
it's a shame that neil kulkarni's work didn't do enough to get joell ortiz on the list
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Monday, 6 December 2010 22:07 (thirteen years ago) link
32. Pantha Du Prince - Black Noise
keep forgetting this album exists
it's rly good
― Cap.Obv (acoleuthic), Monday, 6 December 2010 22:10 (thirteen years ago) link
who would truly prefer white guys making light of black music and culture to actual hip-hop?
history of rock music crit to thread.
― Tim F, Monday, 6 December 2010 22:12 (thirteen years ago) link
"who would truly prefer white guys making light of black music and culture to actual hip-hop?"
people who don't listen to hip-hop.
― scott seward, Monday, 6 December 2010 22:13 (thirteen years ago) link
i liked the salem album a bunch, but i can't think of any list i would put it on. maybe my "records i like that other people find offensive or horrifying or dreadful" list. or my "poseur doofuses that i have loved" list.
― scott seward, Monday, 6 December 2010 22:16 (thirteen years ago) link
wld rather read scott's poseur doofus poll than all the other polls on this thread
― Ward Fowler, Monday, 6 December 2010 22:18 (thirteen years ago) link
^^
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Monday, 6 December 2010 22:27 (thirteen years ago) link
So, what you're saying is, I should pretend to like hip hop stuff at random and lie about it so as not to appear racist to some lunatic on the internet?
This is pure tautology. Unless of course Mulatu Astatke, Ali Farka Toure, Toumani Diabate, Gil Scott Heron, Janelle Monae, Ty Bulmer and P.O.S. are all white guys.
― Carl Jung Jeezy (Doran), Monday, 6 December 2010 22:28 (thirteen years ago) link
Or let me put it this way: if you think black history and culture is interchangeable with hip hop, then it's you who is racist.
― Carl Jung Jeezy (Doran), Monday, 6 December 2010 22:30 (thirteen years ago) link
I am kind of disappointed that everyone ignored my blatant trolling, tbh
clearly I'm slipping
― Yeezy reupholstered my pussy (DJP), Monday, 6 December 2010 22:34 (thirteen years ago) link
We should tell people who haven't been following ILM this year to just keep up with this thread. It's turning into a redux of every argument that people have had this year.
― Matt DC, Monday, 6 December 2010 22:35 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't think we ever successfully jammed together the "Janelle Monae tries too hard, what a joke" argument with the "I like this 'Pretty Girl Bag' song" argument; I'd be game for running those together.
― Yeezy reupholstered my pussy (DJP), Monday, 6 December 2010 22:37 (thirteen years ago) link
^^^ Best mashup since the Girl Talk album amirite?
― Matt DC, Monday, 6 December 2010 22:40 (thirteen years ago) link
you're overanalyzing a bit here
i didnt say you should pretend to like more hip-hop -- only that salem at #2 was kinda lame (considering it draws a good deal from, to generalize, southern hip-hop from the last decade or so). anyway, i'm glad your tastes and those of your staff are fully and accurately represented. like i said, i think it's a great list, salem aside
thank you, i realize that there are additional black musicians on your list -- that wasn't my point
never said black history and culture were interchangeable with hip-hop, that's funny though!
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Monday, 6 December 2010 22:44 (thirteen years ago) link
anyway... i'm closing the can o' worms now
i like the quietus list!
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Monday, 6 December 2010 22:45 (thirteen years ago) link
quietus list once again has most of my favourites on it
― Cap.Obv (acoleuthic), Monday, 6 December 2010 22:46 (thirteen years ago) link
how about the rock-a-rolla list?
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Monday, 6 December 2010 22:49 (thirteen years ago) link
― http://i54.tinypic.com/2vt2utg.gif (markers), Sunday, November 28, 2010 12:52 AM (1 week ago)
― markers, Monday, 6 December 2010 22:50 (thirteen years ago) link
Dumb end-of-day exercise. Using 7 lists (Quietus, FACT, Drowned In Sound, Rock-A-Rolla, Q, MOJO, NME, Uncut, Spin), here's artists sorted by average rating first, then by # of lists they appear in:
John Grant 3 4.666666667Salem 3 5.333333333The Arcade Fire 7 8.571428571Ufomammut 2 9.5Emeralds 3 10.66666667Drake 2 11.5These New Puritans 5 11.6The Fall 3 12The National 5 12.2MGMT 4 13Kanye West 4 13.25Vampire Weekend 4 13.25LCD Soundsystem 6 14.16666667Grinderman 7 14.28571429Liars 4 16Paul Weller 4 16Gayngs 3 16.33333333Midlake 2 17Oneohtrix Point Never 5 17.4The Black Keys 4 18.5Robert Plant 4 18.5New Young Pony Club 2 18.5Big Boi 5 19Foals 4 20Laura Marling 3 20.33333333Neil Young 3 20.33333333Yeasayer 6 20.5Best Coast 2 20.5The Drums 2 21M.I.A. 2 21.5Swans 4 21.75Caribou 4 22High On Fire 2 22Deerhunter 5 22.4Forest Swords 2 22.5Avi Buffalo 3 22.66666667The Coral 2 23Crystal Castles 3 23.33333333Zola Jesus 3 23.66666667Manic Street Preachers 4 23.75Pantha Du Prince 3 25.66666667Spoon 2 26.5Beach House 4 26.75Ariel Pink's Haunted Graffitti 4 27.5Arabrot 2 27.5Klaxons 2 28Janelle Monae 7 28.42857143Hot Chip 2 29Joanna Newsom 5 30.2Glasser 2 31Gil Scott-Heron 7 31.85714286No Age 3 32.33333333Gorillaz 6 33.16666667Teenage Fanclub 3 33.33333333Solar Bears 2 33.5Flying Lotus 4 34.5Mount Kimbie 3 37.33333333Field Music 3 37.66666667Edwyn Collins 3 40Sleigh Bells 3 42The Roots 3 43.66666667Robyn 3 45The Walkmen 2 46Everything Everything 3 49.66666667
Consensus list sorted by # of lists and then average rating:
The Arcade Fire 7 8.571428571Grinderman 7 14.28571429Janelle Monae 7 28.42857143Gil Scott-Heron 7 31.85714286LCD Soundsystem 6 14.16666667Yeasayer 6 20.5Gorillaz 6 33.16666667These New Puritans 5 11.6The National 5 12.2Oneohtrix Point Never 5 17.4Big Boi 5 19Deerhunter 5 22.4Joanna Newsom 5 30.2MGMT 4 13Kanye West 4 13.25Vampire Weekend 4 13.25Liars 4 16Paul Weller 4 16The Black Keys 4 18.5Robert Plant 4 18.5Foals 4 20Swans 4 21.75Caribou 4 22Manic Street Preachers 4 23.75Beach House 4 26.75Ariel Pink's Haunted Graffitti 4 27.5Flying Lotus 4 34.5John Grant 3 4.666666667Salem 3 5.333333333Emeralds 3 10.66666667The Fall 3 12Gayngs 3 16.33333333Laura Marling 3 20.33333333Neil Young 3 20.33333333Avi Buffalo 3 22.66666667Crystal Castles 3 23.33333333Zola Jesus 3 23.66666667Pantha Du Prince 3 25.66666667No Age 3 32.33333333Teenage Fanclub 3 33.33333333Mount Kimbie 3 37.33333333Field Music 3 37.66666667Edwyn Collins 3 40Sleigh Bells 3 42The Roots 3 43.66666667Robyn 3 45Everything Everything 3 49.66666667Ufomammut 2 9.5Drake 2 11.5Midlake 2 17New Young Pony Club 2 18.5Best Coast 2 20.5The Drums 2 21M.I.A. 2 21.5High On Fire 2 22Forest Swords 2 22.5The Coral 2 23Spoon 2 26.5Arabrot 2 27.5Klaxons 2 28Hot Chip 2 29Glasser 2 31Solar Bears 2 33.5The Walkmen 2 46
― Fastnbulbous, Monday, 6 December 2010 23:33 (thirteen years ago) link
not that anyone should give a damn or anything but WOW i think this awful awful thread might finally cure me of the habit of reading ILX!
― Babylon and zing (stevie), Monday, 6 December 2010 23:33 (thirteen years ago) link
Sorry, by rating I mean place in list. Time to go home.
― Fastnbulbous, Monday, 6 December 2010 23:34 (thirteen years ago) link
Using 7 9 lists
― Fastnbulbous, Monday, 6 December 2010 23:37 (thirteen years ago) link
― Babylon and zing (stevie
Since a bunch of this thread comes from other websites and periodicals, maybe you should give up on much of the internet
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 7 December 2010 04:32 (thirteen years ago) link
wait what are we gonna do without the other "stevie"?! i'm gonna miss his great posts on.......
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 06:32 (thirteen years ago) link
I didn't expect to see Jamie Johnson so high on Spin's list.
― President Keyes, Tuesday, 7 December 2010 09:11 (thirteen years ago) link
The more I hear it, the more I fidn the Jan Monae record really fucking boring. Boy I hate me some white people.
― purblind snowcock splattered (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 09:39 (thirteen years ago) link
Janelle Monae isn't white.
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 7 December 2010 09:41 (thirteen years ago) link
not like Amadou and Miriam
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 7 December 2010 09:42 (thirteen years ago) link
Lol rev.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 7 December 2010 10:01 (thirteen years ago) link
NME readers are tho Rev.
― purblind snowcock splattered (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 10:03 (thirteen years ago) link
Well, now you all know how I feel when Encoffination and Electric Wizard fail to get into XXL magazine.
― Carl Jung Jeezy (Doran), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 10:25 (thirteen years ago) link
xxl is based around 1 genre while quietus isnt?
― purblind snowcock splattered (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 10:31 (thirteen years ago) link
all smh.gifs ever.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 7 December 2010 10:33 (thirteen years ago) link
ha
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 7 December 2010 10:34 (thirteen years ago) link
i kind of feel all of these proper EOY lists are just a way to kill time until the ilx one, which i'm sure will have many smh moments but in the main tends to be way way better than anything else. who else placed both electrik red and the-dream in last year's top 5? with taylor swift winning the trax list?
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 10:35 (thirteen years ago) link
Ha! I'd already forgotten that Taylor won the tracks list.
― Lightning Is For Babies (Johnny Fever), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 10:37 (thirteen years ago) link
xpost ^^^ Yeah I feel this way. Inadvertent archival ILM review capsules are the best also.
TBH I'm always surprised that people focus so much on the lists themselves when to my mind the review capsules are the more interesting bit. Although TBH that's really "potentially". In practice they're often depressingly inadequate, esp. for the stuff i like.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 7 December 2010 10:39 (thirteen years ago) link
Looking for the results thread, I realized that musically started the noms process the second week of December (the 8th to be exact). Where's she at this year?
― Lightning Is For Babies (Johnny Fever), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 10:41 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah i haven't seen her post, like, since that thread -- was wondering if you or i or both of us would have to take it over again
(i wouldn't mind but didn't want to trample on musically's thing)
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 10:44 (thirteen years ago) link
exactly.
― Lightning Is For Babies (Johnny Fever), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 10:45 (thirteen years ago) link
she hasn't posted since june, looks like
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 7 December 2010 10:51 (thirteen years ago) link
rip musically
― purblind snowcock splattered (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 10:52 (thirteen years ago) link
I'll send her a note and see if she's cool with us doing it w/o her.
― Lightning Is For Babies (Johnny Fever), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 10:52 (thirteen years ago) link
Sent.
― Lightning Is For Babies (Johnny Fever), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 10:56 (thirteen years ago) link
I just stuck 16 UK and US lists in a spreadsheet.
Most selections:
Arcade Fire - The Suburbs 15National - High Violet 12Beach House - Teen Dream 11LCD Soundsystem - This Is Happening 10Yeasayer - Odd Blood 10Caribou - Swim 9Deerhunter - Halcyon Digest 9Ariel Pink’s Haunted Graffiti - Before Today 9Gil Scott-Heron - I’m New Here 9Black Keys - Brothers 9Vampire Weekend - Contra 9Grinderman - Grinderman II 9Sleigh Bells - Treats 9These New Puritans - Hidden 8Laura Marling - I Speak Because I Can 8Joanna Newsom - Have One On Me 8Janelle Monae - The Archandroid 8
and ranked on position (Amazon.co.uk all got 10.5th place.
1 Arcade Fire - The Suburbs2 Beach House - Teen Dream3 LCD Soundsystem - This Is Happening4 These New Puritans - Hidden5 Kanye West - My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy6 Caribou - Swim7 Laura Marling - I Speak Because I Can8 National - High Violet9 Foals - Total Life Forever10 Joanna Newsom - Have One On Me11 John Grant - Queen of Denmark12 Deerhunter - Halcyon Digest13 Robert Plant - Band of Joy14 Liars - Sisterworld15 Emeralds - Does It Look Like I’m Here?16 Forest Swords - Dagger Paths17 Ariel Pink’s Haunted Graffiti - Before Today18 Janelle Monae - The Archandroid19 Salem - King Night20 Gil Scott-Heron - I’m New Here
#2+#3 together don't outscore #1
More interesting 751 slots has produced 323 albums. BUT if you take out everything that only has one vote (180 albums) you reduce the number only 142 albums filling those 571 slots.
― Mitchell Stirling, Tuesday, 7 December 2010 12:52 (thirteen years ago) link
NME, Uncut, Q, The Clash, Mojo, DiS, FACT, Sunday Times, Paste, Spin, Amazon.co.uk, The Fly, Rough Trade, The Quietus, Gorrila vs. Bear and Filter fwiw
― Mitchell Stirling, Tuesday, 7 December 2010 12:55 (thirteen years ago) link
GAPDY vs BLAND (beach house, lcd, arcade fire, national, deerhunter)
― modrić in paradise (blueski), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 13:03 (thirteen years ago) link
I'd go with BLANK when Kanye starts picking up steam tbh.
― Mitchell Stirling, Tuesday, 7 December 2010 13:10 (thirteen years ago) link
B DANK (Best Coast, Deerhunter , Arcade Fire, National, Deerhunter.)
Bethany would want it that way.
― purblind snowcock splattered (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 13:19 (thirteen years ago) link
memes of the year, a hoy mag
1. thank you based god2. snacks the cat3. deal w/ it4. robbenballs5. ? 10.0?
― purblind snowcock splattered (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 13:22 (thirteen years ago) link
BLANKET (add Emeralds and These New Puritans)
― Tim F, Tuesday, 7 December 2010 13:23 (thirteen years ago) link
SLANKET
replace beach house with salem, only wear the lists as a joke
― modrić in paradise (blueski), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 13:31 (thirteen years ago) link
there it is
― purblind snowcock splattered (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 13:32 (thirteen years ago) link
Nice. Could someone post the Filter list?
― Fastnbulbous, Tuesday, 7 December 2010 13:44 (thirteen years ago) link
fact trax (spotify list), 27/40 tracks
― smoke on this^ one (cozen), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 13:46 (thirteen years ago) link
By chance, just came across these - old Kerrang! album of the year lists.Some properly surprising choices in the 80s.http://www.rocklistmusic.co.uk/kerrang.html
― ithappens, Tuesday, 7 December 2010 14:11 (thirteen years ago) link
Rolling Stone
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/68404/239077?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
30. Rick Ross - Teflon Don29. The Roots - How I Got Over28. My Chemical Romance - Danger Days: The True Lives of the Fabulous Killjoys27. Peter Wolf - Midnight Souvenirs26. Yeasayer - Odd Blood25. Superchunk - Majesty Shredding24. Maximum Balloon - Maximum Balloon23. Elizabeth Cook - Welder22. Spoon - Transference21. Big Boi - Sir Lucious Left Foot: The Son of Chico Dusty20. Neil Young - Le Noise19. M.I.A. - Maya18. Kings of Leon - Come Around Sundown17. Beach House - Teen Dream16. Kid Rock - Born Free15. The National - High Violet14. Robyn - Body Talk13. Taylor Swift - Speak Now12. John Mellencamp - No Better Than This11. The Dead Weather - Sea of Cowards10. LCD Soundsystem - This Is Happening09. Eminem - Recovery08. Robert Plant - Band of Joy07. Drake - Thank Me Later06. Vampire Weekend - Contra05. Jamey Johnson - The Guitar Song04. Arcade Fire - The Suburbs03. Elton John and Leon Russell - The Union02. The Black Keys - Brothers01. Kanye West - My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy
― Mitchell Stirling, Tuesday, 7 December 2010 16:08 (thirteen years ago) link
Even baby boomer Leftsetz didn't like the Elton John and Leon Russell. That must have been owner Jan Wenner's choice.
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 7 December 2010 16:12 (thirteen years ago) link
That's the worst list so far.
Listening through the Fact list and while they can be spot on at times they do like shome shonk as well. That Fantastic Mr Fox tune sound like something someone found down the back of an MP3 blog in 2006.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 7 December 2010 16:14 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm really pleased to see dipset's "salute" getting repped for on the fact list
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 16:16 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah that's great, although if they don't rep for Warrior One & Lady Chann's King Riddim then they are spectacularly failing their people.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 7 December 2010 16:19 (thirteen years ago) link
i actually like the rolling stone list better than a lot of the indie-leaning sites!
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 16:20 (thirteen years ago) link
think that's the first i've seen taylor on a year-end list (yay)
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 16:21 (thirteen years ago) link
matt have you heard doorly & lady chann's "the one"? even better for my money.
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 16:21 (thirteen years ago) link
rolling stone honestly the one i like most so far. (not the same as one i'd like to check out most of)
― purblind snowcock splattered (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 16:22 (thirteen years ago) link
ok sorry must have glazed over the top 3, f u rolling stone
― purblind snowcock splattered (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 16:23 (thirteen years ago) link
remove the top 5, invert it and its a+
― purblind snowcock splattered (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 16:24 (thirteen years ago) link
black keys album isn't a terrible choice for a rock mag to get behind
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 16:24 (thirteen years ago) link
Didn't really like that one but I'm blaming the producer. She works so much better over house/funky/dancehall crossover than lairy blokestep.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 7 December 2010 16:28 (thirteen years ago) link
"the one" isn't that lairy. i think it's just a lot tighter as a song. my favourite 2010 lady chann thing is prob her "hold yuh" vocal though, "feel calm".
her next single "treble to your bass" is kind of toddla t-style banging - there'll be a marcus nasty remix too...
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 16:30 (thirteen years ago) link
It might be that I'm not interested in tight songs from her, particularly, I just want her to ferociously let rip. That Gyptian track showcases a soft side I didn't know she could pull off though, good stuff. Looking forward to the single you mention as well.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 7 December 2010 16:34 (thirteen years ago) link
the crazy high ranking overall for The National is sheer over-compensation for their previosu 2 albums' placings it's like the Lord Of The Rings films at the Oscars.
― piscesx, Tuesday, 7 December 2010 16:36 (thirteen years ago) link
Not all they're cracked up to be, fwiw:
27. Peter Wolf - Midnight Souvenirs23. Elizabeth Cook - Welder16. Kid Rock - Born Free12. John Mellencamp - No Better Than This09. Eminem - Recovery
That said, don't see how the RS list is worse than any other ones on this thread.
― xhuxk, Tuesday, 7 December 2010 16:37 (thirteen years ago) link
it's on youtube already.
between them, lady chann and cooly g are responsible for like 50% of my twitter timeline consisting of "kmt"
xps
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 16:38 (thirteen years ago) link
that eminem album is the worst (& i kinda-like everything through album #4 or so)
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 16:39 (thirteen years ago) link
maybe im just excited by seeing rick ross on a list, as he isn't part of the BERKD 'rap' crit hierarchy
― purblind snowcock splattered (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 16:40 (thirteen years ago) link
idk i think that's score one for "rap" crit hierarchy - rick ross deserves to be on no list
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 16:41 (thirteen years ago) link
(big boi, em, roots, kanye, drake)
― purblind snowcock splattered (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 16:41 (thirteen years ago) link
take big boi away and it could be DREK
the BAWSE was the best thing on the only supposedly perfect record of the century.
― purblind snowcock splattered (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 16:42 (thirteen years ago) link
if by the BAWSE you mean MINAJ
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 16:42 (thirteen years ago) link
ok second best.
But people's dainty sensitivities can cope with Kid Rock destroying all of black culture and history by being placed above Big Boi?
And Black Keys are a bad choice for a rock magazine to make, though not as bad as Elton John, John Mellencamp, The Roots, Maximum Balloon etc etc.
― Carl Jung Jeezy (Doran), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 16:49 (thirteen years ago) link
actually The Roots p otm for a rock magazine to make? it has fucking joanna newsom, the dirty projectors and a band of 'real' instruments on it.
― purblind snowcock splattered (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 16:51 (thirteen years ago) link
also being butthurt is not going to make people read yr site.
― purblind snowcock splattered (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 16:52 (thirteen years ago) link
And Black Keys are a bad choice for a rock magazine to make
this makes NO sense, they are just about a perfect choice for the "rolling stone demographic" as much as, say, liars/swans are solid choices for the "quietus demographic" -- feeling like you are just out to disagree w/ me ;_;
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 16:53 (thirteen years ago) link
Kid Rock destroying all of black culture
kid rock's not a "rapper" anymore, he's gone "country," didn't ya know?
Re: The Roots. I meant more that it's a terrible fucking record as is Black Keys - especially if it's being chosen because of a demographic. The same percentage of our readers hate Salem as people here do. What's the point of chosing a list by second guessing what your readers like?
I'm just traumatized because of the number of tranquilizers I took at ATP. My butt will be back to normal tomorrow.
― Carl Jung Jeezy (Doran), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 17:02 (thirteen years ago) link
Sorry, but that Roots record is by no means "terrible".
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 17:03 (thirteen years ago) link
All the indie-baiting songs that got the record buzz are pretty terrible, but the rest of the record is really good.
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 17:04 (thirteen years ago) link
Roots is the nuts. Ok maybe the second worst Roots records but its like picking yr favourite child when all ten of them are AWESOME (plus the tipping point child.)
― purblind snowcock splattered (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 17:05 (thirteen years ago) link
drugs are bad, mmmkay?
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 17:12 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, I agree with you today.
Does everyone like The Roots then? You really do learn something new every day.
― Carl Jung Jeezy (Doran), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 17:16 (thirteen years ago) link
me != everyone.
― purblind snowcock splattered (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 17:17 (thirteen years ago) link
they are next up on my 'band i should stop forgetting exist' list
― modrić in paradise (blueski), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 17:17 (thirteen years ago) link
but yeah they are the most consistent musicians of the past twenty years and people who don't like them or ?uestlove* are savages.
*in part responsible for two of the best two records of the past decade, voodoo and new amerykah
― purblind snowcock splattered (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 17:18 (thirteen years ago) link
Not to drag out another hoary old trope, but I often wonder how many people that hate the Roots really just hate the cult surrounding them. I mean, hate on some of the cring-worthy lyrics all you want, but these guys are astonishing musicians when they want to be.
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 17:21 (thirteen years ago) link
From what I can see 2010 has had no more unjustly overlooked record so far than Nina Nastasia's sublime 'Outlaster', which hasn't appeared anywhere at all yet.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 7 December 2010 17:23 (thirteen years ago) link
Bit too smooth, wholesome and sophisticated for me... although I do still have about three albums by them and I agree with you about New Amerykah.
(In fact I don't think it's terrible at all but it didn't really stand out for me.)
― Carl Jung Jeezy (Doran), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 17:23 (thirteen years ago) link
Sorry XP.
album i like not appearing itt: Delorean
― modrić in paradise (blueski), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 17:25 (thirteen years ago) link
What's wrong with a rap band being sophisticated? /outright trolling
Also listen to Do You Want More???!?!? or Game Theory or Rising Down and you won't be thinking "smooth" or "wholesome".
― purblind snowcock splattered (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 17:25 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah surprised at this - though having said that, while i fucking love the album, it's more "bobbing around the lower reaches of my top 20" than a show-in for any ballot i put together
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 17:27 (thirteen years ago) link
smooth wholesome & sophisticated (esp sophisticated) are the best things abt the roots ... weaknesses are pretty much black thought's lyrical stylings imo
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 17:27 (thirteen years ago) link
the sade and erykah albums haven't appeared on (m)any lists have they?
;_;
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 17:28 (thirteen years ago) link
It's top three for me easily, so many surprises in there.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 7 December 2010 17:30 (thirteen years ago) link
There is absolutely nothing wrong with it at all but it's something that runs through most of my taste in music (admittedly with plenty of exceptions).
I guess I like the idea of a genre when it's still rough neck and like it less when it gets a make over for bars and expensive clubs etc. I felt the same way about jungle vs. intelligent drum and bass. I'm not really down with the Boomkat aesthetic with dance music for deep listening by the cognoscenti either. It's just a personal preference. In metal terms, it's what makes me like Slayer over Steve Vai or what have you.
― Carl Jung Jeezy (Doran), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 17:31 (thirteen years ago) link
See now I don't hear "bars and expensive clubs etc." at all in the Roots. Maybe its because they are the only famous hiphop band that they have that appearance? And cos they are a telly band? Something like Rising Down is dirty and noisy, much like that Waka was (in totally different ways obv).
― purblind snowcock splattered (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 17:35 (thirteen years ago) link
I haven't had a TV for years and they're not that famous in the UK, so I don't know where this has come from.
― Carl Jung Jeezy (Doran), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 17:39 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah convos about the Roots like this always tend to get caught up more in their image and reputation than what their records actually sound like. that said, How I Got Over runs counter to what people expect of them less than any of their last few albums have.
― Local Hardman (some dude), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 17:52 (thirteen years ago) link
― Carl Jung Jeezy (Doran), Tuesday, December 7, 2010 11:31 AM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
so where is flockaveli on your list
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 17:52 (thirteen years ago) link
Rolling Stone singles
50. Ke$ha "We R Who We R"49. Elizabeth Cook "El Camino"48. Das Racist "hahahaha jk?"47. Kid Rock "Born Free"46. MGMT "Congratulations"45. The Rolling Stones "Plundered My Soul"44. Neil Young "Love and War"43. B.o.B. feat. Bruno Mars "Nothing on You"42. Surfer Blood "Floating Vibes"41. Junip "In Every Direction"40. Kanye West "Power"39. The Gaslight Anthem "The Diamond Church Street Choir"38. Spoon "The Mystery Zone"37. Lloyd Banks feat. Juelz Santana "Beamer, Benz, or Bentley"36. Drake feat. Nicki Minaj "Up All Night"35. Massive Attack feat. Hope Sandoval "Paradise Circus"34. Gorillaz feat. Mos Def and Bobby Womack "Stylo"33. Wavves "Post Acid"32. Die Antwoord "Enter the Ninja"31. Gil Scott-Heron "I'm New Here"30. Jakob Dylan "Nothing but the Whole Wide World"29. Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers "The Trip to Pirate's Cove"28. Band of Horses "Laredo"27. The National "Bloodbuzz Ohio"26. Robyn "Dancing on My Own"25. Nicki Minaj "Did It On'em"24. Eminem "Not Afraid"23. Jamey Johnson "Macon"22. Rick Ross feat. Styles P "B.M.F. (Blowin' Money Fast)"21. Sleigh Bells "Infinity Guitars"20. Best Coast "Boyfriend"19. The New Pornographers "Your Hands (Together)"18. Jenny and Johnny "Scissor Runner"17. LCD Soundsystem "I Can Change"16. Cold War Kids "Coffee Spoon"15. Drake "Over"14. Big Boi feat. Cutty "Shutterbugg"13. The Dead Weather "Hustle and Cuss"12. Mark Ronson and the Business International feat. Q-Tip and MNDR "Bang Bang Bang"11. The Black Keys "Everlasting Light"10. Kanye West feat. Jay-Z, Rick Ross, Nicki Minaj and Bon Iver "Monster"9. Broken Bells "The Ghost Inside"8. Janelle Monáe feat. Big Boi "Tightrope"7. Vampire Weekend "White Sky"6. Mavis Staples "You Are Not Alone"5. Arcade Fire "We Used to Wait"4. Katy Perry "Teenage Dream"3. Sade "Soldier of Love"2. Cee Lo Green "Fuck You"1. Kanye West feat. Pusha T "Runaway"
― Mitchell Stirling, Tuesday, 7 December 2010 17:53 (thirteen years ago) link
Top ten RS singles surprisingly low on white people.
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 17:54 (thirteen years ago) link
3. Sade "Soldier of Love"
YES M8 (even though it was technically an '09 single but never mind) (let's ignore what's above it too)
surprised they had nicki m's "did it on em" in there
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 17:56 (thirteen years ago) link
Deej: that would have been in my top 50, much lower than the Freddie Gibbs album which is in my top 30. Again, it's not my list but a group effort.
― Carl Jung Jeezy (Doran), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 17:58 (thirteen years ago) link
wow @ "soldier of love" #3, kickass
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 17:59 (thirteen years ago) link
40. Kanye West "Power"1. Kanye West feat. Pusha T "Runaway"
^^ these need to swap places
― Lightning Is For Babies (Johnny Fever), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 18:03 (thirteen years ago) link
Thirded.
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 18:09 (thirteen years ago) link
"From what I can see 2010 has had no more unjustly overlooked record so far than Nina Nastasia's sublime 'Outlaster', which hasn't appeared anywhere at all yet."
wow, thanks for reminding me. waka flocka and nina might be my number one and two for the pazz & jop poll.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 7 December 2010 18:17 (thirteen years ago) link
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Tuesday, December 7, 2010 11:52 AM (26 minutes ago) Bookmark
claiming that if the damn quietus list came out with waka on it would be met with "wow, unexpected! good look!" instead of "smh at you damn multicultis" is strictly bs
― banshun, Tuesday, 7 December 2010 18:25 (thirteen years ago) link
Nicki tying Kanye for most appearances on the list is kinda crazy
― Local Hardman (some dude), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 18:32 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't care if you're being sarcastic or not I'm suggest banning any annoying person who brings out the 'too black' 'too white' thing in here.
― Moka, Tuesday, 7 December 2010 18:38 (thirteen years ago) link
Except that sometimes it can be a completely valid point.
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 18:40 (thirteen years ago) link
Not a very interesting or insightful one though.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 7 December 2010 18:42 (thirteen years ago) link
No it's not jon it's an unnecesary observation that you're only making too incite racial discussion.
― Moka, Tuesday, 7 December 2010 18:44 (thirteen years ago) link
But thats about as arbitrary and stupid as saying, "I'm sbing anyone who complains about not enough rap on these lists".
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 18:44 (thirteen years ago) link
Yes, that's exactly my intent, you're on to me.
My point was just that Rolling Stone's lists are usually populated by old white guys and I was pleasantly surprised to see this year's top ten much less so. Totally a valid point.
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 18:45 (thirteen years ago) link
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0)
Ehmm no it's not, sbing about different music opinions is not valid, sbing about trolling is. What kind of answer are you honestly expecting with your comment? Are you inferring RS takes race into consideration when making votes for their best of the year?
― Moka, Tuesday, 7 December 2010 18:49 (thirteen years ago) link
Whatever dude. I'm not sure you understand what trolling is.
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 18:50 (thirteen years ago) link
at first glance that rolling stone singles list looks like something someone on ilm could come up with. maybe without the tom petty and the stones. and jakob dylan.
sad that peter wolf didn't make the singles list.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 7 December 2010 18:51 (thirteen years ago) link
According to wikipedia:
A troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into a desired emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.
Hey! your comment qualifies!
― Moka, Tuesday, 7 December 2010 18:53 (thirteen years ago) link
Hey! No it doesn't! But hey, you SBed me so hopefully enough other people agree with you that I'll be out of your hair with my inflammatory comments.
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 18:57 (thirteen years ago) link
His comment here about Rolling Stone is not "off-topic"
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 7 December 2010 20:08 (thirteen years ago) link
Or inflammatory or extraneous given the history of that magazine.
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 7 December 2010 20:09 (thirteen years ago) link
― banshun, Tuesday, December 7, 2010
Those darn multicultis. Because of them this thread is just dominated by ballots of critics forced to vote due to political correctness for Waka, Gucci, Currency and for dancehall, Congolese rumba, reggaeton and old African-American soul singers. Poor Salem and Arcade Fire, done in by multicultis.
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 7 December 2010 20:26 (thirteen years ago) link
― banshun, Tuesday, December 7, 2010 12:25 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark
o rly
fwiw ilxor's (i think it was him?) argument upthread doesnt wash for me really. or its just a really misleading way of phrasing it
i was just responding to how doran described his own taste \oO/ but then id take waka & roots over freddie gibbs so
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 20:32 (thirteen years ago) link
who knew that RS was really into random ass nicki minaj songs
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 20:57 (thirteen years ago) link
iirc, Rolling Stone leaves five slots open on their list, to be filled in by putting an intern's iPod on shuffle and slotting in the first 2010 song that comes up
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 21:01 (thirteen years ago) link
that nicki minaj song was reviewed by pfork btw
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 21:05 (thirteen years ago) link
lol, cuz pitchfork never reviews random songs that no one cares about
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 21:10 (thirteen years ago) link
never said that, there does appear to be some consensus around that track tho
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 21:21 (thirteen years ago) link
from FACT's list
At some point last winter what existed of the original record was semi-abandoned, Darkstar ceased being a production duo and – by adding a full-time vocalist, James Buttery – became a fully fledged band; dance music made way for melancholy, experimental synth-pop.
what is "experimental" about darkstar?
also, 0_o at darkstar being no. 5 on their (often interesting) year-end list.
― Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 7 December 2010 21:30 (thirteen years ago) link
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Tuesday, December 7, 2010 3:21 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark
lol ok
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 21:31 (thirteen years ago) link
was also implying maybe they were biting
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 21:32 (thirteen years ago) link
well that's a different story
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 21:33 (thirteen years ago) link
I wrote a few blurbs for the MySpace Top 50. I certainly am not gonna cosign all their selections, but this is definitely the best looking year end list I've ever seen:
http://www.myspace.com/music/blog/2010/11/29/the-best-albums-of-2010-2
― john jjjusten jingleheimer smh (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 22:05 (thirteen years ago) link
haha it took me scrolling down a few entries to realize they did special graphics for each album and that every album on the list didn't have coincidentally similar aesthetics.
― Local Hardman (some dude), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 22:29 (thirteen years ago) link
they did special graphics for each album
now i just have to figure out WHY anyone would do this
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 22:35 (thirteen years ago) link
<333 whiney's blurbs for the myspace list, which still has some looool moments (circa survive & b.o.b. in the top ten) but is altogether a nice change of pace
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 22:36 (thirteen years ago) link
still no shortage of arcade fire love, tho ;_;
Rhapsody Best 50 tracks of the year:
http://blog.rhapsody.com/2010/12/boytracks2010.html
Rhapsody Best albums, #31 to 50 (more to come obviously):
http://blog.rhapsody.com/2010/12/boyalbums2010.html
(My picks had some bearing on both the singles and albums lists, but not a lot. And none at all on albums 31 to 50, I guess.)
― xhuxk, Tuesday, 7 December 2010 22:45 (thirteen years ago) link
the love for "power" as a single is O_O
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 22:53 (thirteen years ago) link
Actually looks like you can now click through at that Rhapsody album link to get to #s 1 through 30. (Fwiw, the two I wrote blurbs about when they came out are not ones I like much.)
― xhuxk, Tuesday, 7 December 2010 23:09 (thirteen years ago) link
So both Rolling Stone and Spin have Jamey Johnson at #5. Sorry, had to point that out.
― President Keyes, Tuesday, 7 December 2010 23:58 (thirteen years ago) link
is that album good? he's not someone I've seen much talk about on ILM
― Dan S, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 00:13 (thirteen years ago) link
Who wants to talk about Jamey Johnson's new double album, The Guitar Song?
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 00:13 (thirteen years ago) link
thx
― Dan S, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 00:14 (thirteen years ago) link
It's my #1 of the year.
― President Keyes, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 00:18 (thirteen years ago) link
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Tuesday, December 7, 2010 3:35 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark
I like it.
― rihanna refurbished my dick (rennavate), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 00:19 (thirteen years ago) link
oh they're not horrible graphics or anything, it's just...a lot of effort for not a great deal of point. i'd rather see the actual sleeve in every case.
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 01:10 (thirteen years ago) link
Or Pen & Pixel renderings
― Andy K, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 01:19 (thirteen years ago) link
still not a peep from musically, btw...
― Lightning Is For Babies (Johnny Fever), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 03:25 (thirteen years ago) link
try emil.y, maybe?
― hipity-hopity muzik ftw! (Ioannis), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 08:56 (thirteen years ago) link
The Black Keys one made me chuckle.
― dorsalstop, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 09:17 (thirteen years ago) link
Stereogum list
50 Emeralds – Does It Look Like I’m Here?49 Small Black – New Chain48 Sharon Van Etten – Epic47 Baths – Cerulean46 Frank (Just Frank) – The Brutal Wave45 Perfume Genius – Learning44 Field Music – Field Music (Measure)43 Big Boi – Sir Lucious Left Foot: The Son Of Chico Dusty42 Lower Dens – Twin-Hand Movement41 Oneohtrix Point Never – Returnal40 Glasser – Ring39 Gold Panda – Lucky Shiner38 Avey Tare – Down There37 jj – jj nº336 the morning benders – Big Echo35 Swans – My Father Will Guide Me Up A Rope To The Sky34 Titus Andronicus – The Monitor33 MGMT – Congratulations32 Twin Shadow – Forget31 Warpaint – The Fool30 Das Racist – Shut Up, Dude29 Matthew Dear – Black City28 Delorean – Subiza27 Janelle Monae – The ArchAndroid26 Tame Impala – Innerspeaker25 ceo – White Magic24 Tamaryn – The Waves23 SALEM – King Night22 Marnie Stern – Marnie Stern21 Liars – Sisterworld20 Ariel Pink’s Haunted Graffiti – Before Today19 Flying Lotus – Cosmogramma18 Abe Vigoda – Crush17 Owen Pallett – Heartland16 The National – High Violet15 The-Dream – Love King14 Yeasayer – Odd Blood13 LCD Soundsystem – This Is Happening12 Crystal Castles – II11 Joanna Newsom – Have One On Me10 Deerhunter – Halcyon Digest09 Wild Nothing – Gemini08 Antony & The Johnsons – Swanlights07 Vampire Weekend – Contra06 Sleigh Bells – Treats05 Robyn – Body Talk04 Sufjan Stevens – The Age Of Adz03 Beach House – Teen Dream02 Arcade Fire – The Suburbs01 Kanye West – My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy
― Dan S, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 17:06 (thirteen years ago) link
list very much in character
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 17:07 (thirteen years ago) link
ZERO decent albums in the top 10 has to be some sort of record
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 17:08 (thirteen years ago) link
FUCK EVERY FUCKING CLOTH-EAR PUBLICATION THAT PUTS KANYE FIRST
― irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 17:09 (thirteen years ago) link
I count four, though Kanye's is definitely not one of them.
― Lightning Is For Babies (Johnny Fever), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 17:10 (thirteen years ago) link
02 Arcade Fire – The Suburbs01 Kanye West – My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy
~headdesk~
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 17:10 (thirteen years ago) link
pretty wild that this Kanye record is the first record since, like, Yankee Hotel Foxtrot to really getting the indie sites to agree that the major labels sometimes make records better than we do
― dr. harbl's zing-along blog (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 17:11 (thirteen years ago) link
i like the kanye album alright but it'd be around my top 25-30 ranking or so -- no way #1
that arcade fire record = zzzzzzzzz
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 17:11 (thirteen years ago) link
i would listen to the antony, robyn and beach house as i like other stuff by them but haven't yet. of what i have heard they are on a 0% average.
― irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 17:12 (thirteen years ago) link
who is that "we" whiney?
― irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 17:13 (thirteen years ago) link
"we"? speak for yourself. indie sites and indie critics are firmly over THERE, far far far from where i locate myself.
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 17:13 (thirteen years ago) link
I like the Arcade Fire record, but it's pointless to stan for it in the face of conflict. You either dig it or your don't, whatevs.
― Lightning Is For Babies (Johnny Fever), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 17:13 (thirteen years ago) link
lol xp!!
10 Deerhunter – Halcyon Digest - decent, but not a patch on Cryptograms09 Wild Nothing – Gemini - havent heard, most likely zzzzz08 Antony & The Johnsons – Swanlights - not a patch on I Am a Bird Now07 Vampire Weekend – Contra - zzzzzz06 Sleigh Bells – Treats - surprisingly decent05 Robyn – Body Talk - top ten material, A+04 Sufjan Stevens – The Age Of Adzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz03 Beach House – Teen Dream - zzzzzzzzz02 Arcade Fire – The Suburbs - zzzzzzzzzzzz01 Kanye West – My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy - flawed, maybe top 30 material
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 17:14 (thirteen years ago) link
lex isn't indie? when did that happen?
― irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 17:14 (thirteen years ago) link
oh didnt notice the deerhunter, i liked that.
I thought the Deerhunter album was their best by far
― Dan S, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 17:16 (thirteen years ago) link
09 Wild Nothing – Gemini - havent heard, most likely zzzzz
quality criticism here
this is actually a really good album though
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 17:17 (thirteen years ago) link
Me too, but that's faint praise. I'm by no means a big fan. xp
― Lightning Is For Babies (Johnny Fever), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 17:17 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm open to hearing it, i guess, the band name just sounds kinda snoozy
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 17:19 (thirteen years ago) link
Glad this thread taught me that lex and a hoy hoy both work for powerful major label record companies
― dr. harbl's zing-along blog (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 17:20 (thirteen years ago) link
Hey ilxor, can you do a personal rundown for all 50 of Sgum's choices? thanks in advance
― dr. harbl's zing-along blog (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 17:21 (thirteen years ago) link
Is that what you meant? Do you think that Def Jam is an indie? What? Did those 30 days rob you of coherency?
― irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 17:22 (thirteen years ago) link
I have no idea how to make my post any clearer
― dr. harbl's zing-along blog (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 17:23 (thirteen years ago) link
well, w/ref to what you actually said originally, duhhh, of course they make better music than i do - i don't make music or work for any sort of record label.
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 17:24 (thirteen years ago) link
fact's 60-41 tracks are up.
shocked "wut" only came in at #41!
― prolego, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 17:31 (thirteen years ago) link
wut?
― irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 17:33 (thirteen years ago) link
They mixed up the track title and audio for the Andrea entry. The text refers to "You Still Got Me."
― Andy K, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 17:40 (thirteen years ago) link
i realize u are kidding, but hey
A+: emeralds, big boi, oneohtrix, jj, swans, janelle, flylo, the-dream
overrated, still decent: avey tare, liars, lcd, yeasayer
like the few tracks i've heard: warpaint, ceo, matt dear, owen p.,
fucking horrible: mgmt, salem
zzzzzz: the national, joanna newsom
havent heard everything else
already covered the top ten for ya whiney
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 17:42 (thirteen years ago) link
dont worry i wont call u out on plagiarism if you tweet about these great albums on my behalf
I like that Abe Vigoda album tons
― BO (DJP), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 17:55 (thirteen years ago) link
we're gonna be seeing a lot of this huh
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 18:05 (thirteen years ago) link
I'll never understand why modern indie ppl cosign Das Racist but go out of their way to distance themselves from Antipop Consortium and Themselves and shit
― dr. harbl's zing-along blog (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 18:10 (thirteen years ago) link
not that this has been a gr8 year for backpacky shit, save Gangrene, which no one is talking about except me it seems
― dr. harbl's zing-along blog (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 18:11 (thirteen years ago) link
you really are capt. save an anti pop consortium aren't you
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 18:12 (thirteen years ago) link
they're still great, what do you want from me
― dr. harbl's zing-along blog (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 18:13 (thirteen years ago) link
maybe it's because das racist are marketed specifically towards hipsters & ppl that read stereogum?
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 18:15 (thirteen years ago) link
and have a novelty song
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 18:15 (thirteen years ago) link
the scott pilgrims coming over on the hip-hop mayflower
― dr. harbl's zing-along blog (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 18:15 (thirteen years ago) link
why would you market towards ppl who have a novelty song
seems like a very small niche
― BO (DJP), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 18:16 (thirteen years ago) link
antipop consortium are fantastic, new record's great and they killed it when i saw em a year or two ago
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 18:16 (thirteen years ago) link
lol DJP trolling, cmon
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 18:17 (thirteen years ago) link
...
There is a difference between "trolling" (the blatantly overstated and hyperbolic comment I made about SALEM and racism way upthread that everyone ignored) and "making a joke" (my last post) that you might want to investigate.
― BO (DJP), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 18:30 (thirteen years ago) link
making a "joke"
― dr. harbl's zing-along blog (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 18:30 (thirteen years ago) link
"making" a joke
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 18:35 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, but the second I admit to liking anything on anticon. people start accusing me of a being a PM Dawn fan.
― Carl Jung Jeezy (Doran), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 18:36 (thirteen years ago) link
the blatantly overstated and hyperbolic comment I made about SALEM and racism way upthread that everyone ignored
I almost posted it on ILEpitaphs!
― da croupier, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 18:36 (thirteen years ago) link
"laughing" or lol or something
But seriously folks, some albums if suddenly marketed to indie sites and reviewers/critics would get more acclaim, others might still get ignored (not enough genre specialist reviewers interested in stuff that's not hipster friendly)
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 18:38 (thirteen years ago) link
what's wrong w/ being a PM Dawn fan??
xxp
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 18:41 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm sending KRS One to your house
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 18:43 (thirteen years ago) link
― dr. harbl's zing-along blog (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, December 8, 2010 12:11 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
that's an interesting interpretation of the acclaim of YHF considering that the whole narrative of that album's success was "Warner Bros didn't know what a masterpiece they had on their hands, those bastards!"
― Local Hardman (some dude), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 18:45 (thirteen years ago) link
also "MBDTF's critical consensus is so much stronger than any previous Kanye record" is almost as shaky a premise as your "Fuck You is the most instantly acclaimed pop single since Hey Ya" thesis.
― Local Hardman (some dude), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 18:46 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm saying the critical consensus on indie sites like Pfork and Sgum is stronger this time out. The RS/Spin/Pazz crew was always in full force
― dr. harbl's zing-along blog (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 18:51 (thirteen years ago) link
xpost, fine then, chance to ca. 2001 Strokes/Kid A
Im taking this the opposite of Whiney -- most of these (strawmen) ppl think that kanye is just way better than all pop, smarter than all the other major label crap etc (peep the paste review) -- I don't think it has stereogum readers reconsidering the merits of major label pop
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 18:55 (thirteen years ago) link
It's his bon iver record!
Plus is this really getting more indie love than late reg?
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 18:56 (thirteen years ago) link
hasn't kanye always been the token pop/major label act in these lists?
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 18:59 (thirteen years ago) link
i don't really believe many people on the staff of these indie sites have bothered with many other major label hip-hop/r&b/pop albums at all
What new record? There's one this year?
― Fastnbulbous, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 19:02 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, I don't see what's new about it. Critics have loved him since day one. He doesn't represent major-label hip hop anymore than Outkast do.
― The baby boomers have defined everything once and for all (Dorianlynskey), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 19:02 (thirteen years ago) link
Indie crits always loved Kanye but there was always this understood agreement that we has never better than Arcade Fire/AnCo/Antony/etc. I mean, when he tops the Pfork list its gonna be the first major label record to be #1 since Kid A, right? (i'm not gonna fact check this, so)
― dr. harbl's zing-along blog (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 19:07 (thirteen years ago) link
Kanye only behind Sufjan in pitchfork's 2005
― da croupier, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 19:08 (thirteen years ago) link
there was always this understood agreement
among whom?! like seriously NAME NAMES. i certainly wasn't party to it and want no part of it, or indeed of anyone who actually signed up to it
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 19:09 (thirteen years ago) link
i tried to google it and found this instead
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/clicktrack/2010/12/speculation_predicting_pitchfo.html
Great way to use your music section, Washington Post. Is stephen ilxor the editor over there now?
― dr. harbl's zing-along blog (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 19:09 (thirteen years ago) link
who the fuck commissioned that
who the fuck PITCHED that
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 19:10 (thirteen years ago) link
lol with Anco at #7 and Antony at #5 behind Kanye on that list
i would credit any minor bump in indie-love for kanye more to do with lazy crits feeling safe in raves than some sort of increased comfort with major label wares
― da croupier, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 19:12 (thirteen years ago) link
i done it.
xp
― hipity-hopity muzik ftw! (Ioannis), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 19:12 (thirteen years ago) link
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Wednesday, December 8, 2010 2:09 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
jesus you know who he's talking about and that it's not you and you keep having these hysterical reactions every time, just quit it already.
― Local Hardman (some dude), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 19:12 (thirteen years ago) link
lol not even
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 19:14 (thirteen years ago) link
meaning pfork's 2005 album list i mean: http://pitchfork.com/features/staff-lists/6222-top-50-albums-of-2005/5/
― da croupier, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 19:15 (thirteen years ago) link
Given the amount of tedious handwringing already should we push the Pitchfork list off into its own slurry ditch thread or something?
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 19:16 (thirteen years ago) link
The AV Club list
25. Spoon - Transference24. Four Tet - There Is Love In You23. Titus Andronicus - The Monitor22. Flying Lotus - Cosmogramma21. Baths - Cerulean20. Dessa - A Badly Broken Code19. Yeasayer - Odd Blood18. Call Me Lightning - When I Am Gone My Blood Will Be Free17. Avi Buffalo - Avi Buffalo16. Arcade Fire - The Suburbs15. Wavves - King Of The Beach14. Deerhunter - Halcyon Digest13. Dum Dum Girls - I Will Be12. The Black Keys - Brothers11. Frightened Rabbit - The Winter Of Mixed Drinks10. Robyn - Body Talk9. Vampire Weekend - Contra8. Superchunk - Majesty Shredding7. Big Boi - Sir Lucious Left Foot… The Son Of Chico Dusty6. Janelle Monáe - The ArchAndroid5. The Roots - How I Got Over4. LCD Soundsystem - This Is Happening3. The National - High Violet2. The Walkmen - Lisbon1. Kanye West - My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy
― Dan S, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 19:18 (thirteen years ago) link
see my thing is, why are people spending all of this time getting mad about Kanye being on these lists and not Wavves
then I remember nobody really knows shit about Wavves and I feel better
― BO (DJP), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 19:24 (thirteen years ago) link
see my thing is, why are people spending all of this time getting mad about Kanye being on these lists
Fixed.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 19:25 (thirteen years ago) link
these lists are so depressingly awful
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 19:26 (thirteen years ago) link
Curious what people think the most critically popular album of the year that you wouldn't have guessed would be one of the most critically popular albums of the year is
I mean more in a "hey who thought they'd step up their game" way than a "wtf is wavves doing here" way
― da croupier, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 19:26 (thirteen years ago) link
these lists of halfway decent music that is better promoted than other music that is as good if not better are vv informative tbqf
― omar little, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 19:27 (thirteen years ago) link
lists of halfway decent music that is better promoted than other music that is as good if not better
truth bomb
― dr. harbl's zing-along blog (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 19:29 (thirteen years ago) link
LOL
My answer would be These New Puritans.
― BO (DJP), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 19:29 (thirteen years ago) link
i just want you all to know that i blame lex for kanye topping all of these lists
― congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 19:29 (thirteen years ago) link
funny to have spoon ride caboose at number 25 in the av club after their Remember The 90s guy claimed they're underappreciated for being so consistently perfect
― da croupier, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 19:29 (thirteen years ago) link
also, da croup, my mind is still blown that anyone would give salem the time of day, but i should probably stop harping on that.
― dr. harbl's zing-along blog (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 19:30 (thirteen years ago) link
wait, why are you telling me this?
― da croupier, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 19:30 (thirteen years ago) link
because i read your post wrong
― dr. harbl's zing-along blog (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 19:31 (thirteen years ago) link
gotcha
― da croupier, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 19:31 (thirteen years ago) link
Also, how did Jamey Johnson "happen." Like I didn't even get a promo of it. The first time i heard of him was when he was getting four page features in every magazine
― dr. harbl's zing-along blog (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 19:33 (thirteen years ago) link
The AV Club list25. Spoon - Transference24. Four Tet - There Is Love In You23. Titus Andronicus - The Monitor22. Flying Lotus - Cosmogramma21. Baths - Cerulean20. Dessa - A Badly Broken Code19. Yeasayer - Odd Blood18. Call Me Lightning - When I Am Gone My Blood Will Be Free17. Avi Buffalo - Avi Buffalo16. Arcade Fire - The Suburbs15. Wavves - King Of The Beach14. Deerhunter - Halcyon Digest13. Dum Dum Girls - I Will Be12. The Black Keys - Brothers11. Frightened Rabbit - The Winter Of Mixed Drinks10. Robyn - Body Talk9. Vampire Weekend - Contra8. Superchunk - Majesty Shredding7. Big Boi - Sir Lucious Left Foot… The Son Of Chico Dusty6. Janelle Monáe - The ArchAndroid5. The Roots - How I Got Over4. LCD Soundsystem - This Is Happening3. The National - High Violet2. The Walkmen - Lisbon1. Kanye West - My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy
step 1: take rolling stone, spin, mojo, stereogum, etc. listsstep 2: shuffle albums, relist in different orderstep 3: put kanye back on top since his album is perfect
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 19:36 (thirteen years ago) link
i dunno...RS top 5 article mentioned glowingly his anti blue state lyrics on a couple of songs, pretty unrepentant and harsh shit like they say, his zings against tofu and pricey wine in los angeles are pretty tough.
― omar little, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 19:39 (thirteen years ago) link
vv curious about what he means by "when half of california riots"?
rolling tabs on Kanye #1s
VibeSpinRolling StoneStereogumOnion A/V
this is kind of unprecendented!
― dr. harbl's zing-along blog (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 19:40 (thirteen years ago) link
and i mean, adding Pitchfork and Pazz & Jop to that are kind of a given
― dr. harbl's zing-along blog (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 19:41 (thirteen years ago) link
And that makes it even more hilarious that Paste put Kanye after Mumford & Sons. Onward, little lion men
http://i52.tinypic.com/dyrgx0.gif
― markers, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 19:42 (thirteen years ago) link
markers is truly the worst comedy gif response practitioner in the history of ilx
― Local Hardman (some dude), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 19:44 (thirteen years ago) link
<3
― markers, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 19:46 (thirteen years ago) link
Jamey Johnson even got some love on his prior cd Whiney. Tsk, tsk, behind on your country music knowledge.
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 19:46 (thirteen years ago) link
<333 markers
i would be so happy if pfork voters put something ahead of kanye for #1
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 19:46 (thirteen years ago) link
:-D
― markers, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 19:47 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.iwatchstuff.com/2009/12/17/marmaduke-is-so-cool.jpg
¯\(°_o)/¯
― omar little, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 19:48 (thirteen years ago) link
whiney's right that JJ's profile has very suddenly raised among people not actively paying attention to country, i never heard of the guy until recently and it seems like he's everywhere
― Local Hardman (some dude), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 19:48 (thirteen years ago) link
What blows my mind is this dude apparently co-wrote "Honky Tonk Badonkadonk"
― da croupier, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 19:49 (thirteen years ago) link
omar little is truly the best comedy gif response practitioner in the history of this thread
― Local Hardman (some dude), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 19:50 (thirteen years ago) link
I sort of feel like that standard country-artist-hits-mainstream MO, though...? Like, become big in your niche which by the way a ginormous # of people listen to, then emerge onto the scene fully-formed like Athene bursting out of Zeus's forehead.
― BO (DJP), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 19:52 (thirteen years ago) link
sure, but his critical profile is much higher than the average platinum country singer, let alone other merely gold-selling ones like him
― Local Hardman (some dude), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 19:54 (thirteen years ago) link
i think the surprising thing is how he seems like he should be some drive-by truckers type alt-country badass while his career trajectory is more miranda lambert/taylor swift
― da croupier, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 19:54 (thirteen years ago) link
dude even did reality TV!
Yeah, obviously. But what was the lead-up. I never saw it. I'm def not up on my country as much as I should be. But it's not like MF Doom or anything where there was like three years of indie people doing one page features and Q&As, this is like full indiecrossover right away afaik?
― dr. harbl's zing-along blog (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 19:56 (thirteen years ago) link
I even saw the Miranda Lambert leadup coming
losing your grip, dude!
― da croupier, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 19:57 (thirteen years ago) link
(and haha i didn't know shit about this guy before everyone was like DIG THIS DOUBLE CD either)
might be the fact that he made a double CD that made people realize he was an Artist and not the new Keith Urban or something
― da croupier, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 19:58 (thirteen years ago) link
seems like he should be some drive-by truckers type alt-country badass
Well, to be fair, so does Miranda Lambert.
what was the lead-up. I never saw it.
2009:
http://www.villagevoice.com/pazznjop/singles/2009/SGlnaCBDb3N0IG9mIExpdmluZw==/
2008:
http://www.villagevoice.com/pazznjop/albums/2008/VGhhdCBMb25lc29tZSBTb25n/
2008 album was the only album that year to make three out of four NY Times critics' Top 10s, fwiw.
― xhuxk, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 20:02 (thirteen years ago) link
― Local Hardman (some dude), Wednesday, December 8, 2010 1:44 PM (25 minutes ago) Bookmark
for fuckin real
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 20:11 (thirteen years ago) link
i feel whiney on jamey johnson too -- i think the double album had something to do w/ it
& yes, kanye being #1 on every single album list is absurd
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 20:12 (thirteen years ago) link
thanks man!
― markers, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 20:14 (thirteen years ago) link
monoculture isn't dead, kanye is the monoculture
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 20:14 (thirteen years ago) link
markerculture isn't dead, markers is the markerculture
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 20:17 (thirteen years ago) link
kanye is such a dud to me. i don't get it. but, in all fairness, i haven't heard the new album. so, i should, i guess. but i really don't want to.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 20:18 (thirteen years ago) link
I can't wait for the "wtf were we thinking" looks back in 2015.
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 20:21 (thirteen years ago) link
double album had something to do w/ it
Well, yeah -- Lots of talk about that on the album's thread. The marketing and packaging deserve an award themselves. Seems like the positive critical response the previous album got convinced Johnson and/or Mercury Records to present the new one as an Important Conceptual Work Of Art, like no Nashville country album ever before. And it worked. Three-LP vinyl version is real gorgeous.
― xhuxk, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 20:22 (thirteen years ago) link
"to present the new one as an Important Conceptual Work Of Art, like no Nashville country album ever before."
http://media.schadenfreude.net/2008/06/brooks-garth-in-the-life-of-chris-gaines.jpg
― scott seward, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 20:30 (thirteen years ago) link
you're assuming the crit picks in 2015 aren't going to be yay more dubious
― da croupier, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 20:31 (thirteen years ago) link
chuck do you own this conceptual artistic statement from the 70's?
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Cb4mdL5MI2A/TAfwzV8CxoI/AAAAAAAAGYg/3_HvzfZdxeA/s1600/Front.jpg
― scott seward, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 20:37 (thirteen years ago) link
Let's not forget Red Headed Stranger.
― EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 20:38 (thirteen years ago) link
well yeah country has a zillion "concept" albums.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 20:39 (thirteen years ago) link
I guess just not recently.
― EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 20:40 (thirteen years ago) link
how you go from luke the drifter to chris gaines i'll never know though.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 20:41 (thirteen years ago) link
xp! Nah (to Scott, about the album he posted), but actually, I just remembered that Vince Gill (who is boring) put out a quaduple CD four years ago -- very big deal at the Grammys, obviously. And the Nitty Gritty Dirt Band's two Will The Circle Be Unbroken doubles fit in here, too. And maybe Red Headed Stranger. Probably other outlaw stuff too -- Jamey Johnson divides is into a Black Album and a White Album; David Allan Coe had a Happy Side and a Su-i-Side. So it's not like the Johnson thing is that unprecedented, I guess. Just don't think rock critics have ever fallen in line to this extent.
― xhuxk, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 20:44 (thirteen years ago) link
the jon caramanica piece was really good! and compelling. i can see people - critics - wanting to check out the album after that ran.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 20:48 (thirteen years ago) link
Hey, so was my piece! Thing is, another huge part of Jamey Johnson's packaging to Serious Music Listeners is how he looks, not just how his album looks. (And I like him, a lot! But there's a ton of schtick involved.)
― xhuxk, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 20:50 (thirteen years ago) link
i don't think i read yours! sorry!
― scott seward, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 20:51 (thirteen years ago) link
Ha, no big deal! Did it for my former employer. Anyway, it's linked on the JJ thread.
― xhuxk, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 20:54 (thirteen years ago) link
The complaints about lists are about as interesting as listening to gripes about the weather. Isn't anyone excited about new finds from some of the better lists? I'm enjoying LoneLady, Motorpsycho, Teeth Of The Sea, Anika, Årabrot and much more. Glad to see The Soft Pack finally appear on a list. Still at large - Julie Christmas - The Bad Wife.
Looking forward next week to The Wire, Treblezine and Resident Advisor. Then I'll be finishing up my own.
― Fastnbulbous, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 21:01 (thirteen years ago) link
The complaints about lists are about as interesting as listening to gripes about the weather. Isn't anyone excited about new finds from some of the better lists?
OTM. It's not like there's anything even remotely surprising about most of these lists but I seriously doubt ppl are devoting as much energy to listening to some of the unknown quantities than they are to the most rote of whining about Arcade Fire/Kanye/Deerhunter.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 21:05 (thirteen years ago) link
The Motorpsycho album has been my EOY poll find so far. Totally missed any talk of it beforehand.
― sofatruck, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 21:08 (thirteen years ago) link
i would definitely check out a year-end best of 2010 youtube thread. there probably is one already.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 21:13 (thirteen years ago) link
ILM complaining about lists?!
― bourgeoistech bourgeoisthèque (_Rudipherous_), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 21:16 (thirteen years ago) link
I thought that Motorpsycho was boring but whatev
― dr. harbl's zing-along blog (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 21:17 (thirteen years ago) link
"ILM complaining about lists?!"
hahaha!
ILM: Making music more tedious than it has to be since 2000.
(but i'm still here, so, you know, whatever...)
― scott seward, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 21:36 (thirteen years ago) link
Scott this is the list for youILM Metal/Heavy Rock & other 'metal' subgenres 2010 POLL NOMINATIONS THREAD CLOSES 31/12 - All are welcome.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 21:56 (thirteen years ago) link
Brooks as Chris Gaines looks a lot like Ben Stiller as Zoolander.
I don't ever expect there NOT to be complaints about lists. Like weather small-talk, it's expected and comforting in a mildly annoying way. It's just that I'd expect this group to be a bit more excited about new discoveries/revelations/faves.
― Fastnbulbous, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 23:15 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, but to be fair, there is a whole year's worth of OMG! new album/song/band/etc threads.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 23:34 (thirteen years ago) link
Nearly had my head blown off by deja vu then. My music teacher was obsessed with White Mansions. "Bring up the 12-pounders!" sang some dying Civil War Officer dude to his ghost comrades.
― Carl Jung Jeezy (Doran), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 23:48 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah the whinging is a reaction to not seeing most of the stuff we've going OMGing about all year get recognised by professional critics. i know we shouldn't expect any better. and i've totally been checking stuff out, just haven't got round to listening to it all yet.
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 23:52 (thirteen years ago) link
what was that dance magazine that had their list up with audio tracks and i even started a thread about their top 50 or whatever. last year, i think. i would check them out again. i'll have to find it. someone here works for them? or they did anyway. music mag world moves fast.
― scott seward, Thursday, 9 December 2010 01:21 (thirteen years ago) link
Here's Latin Beat Magazine's top 10 (actually separate album lists from some of their contributors). Yes, ILX's Rudiph will be annoyed by the love for Spanish Harlem Orchestra
http://www.latinbeatmagazine.com/features.html
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 9 December 2010 02:23 (thirteen years ago) link
More variety of opinion on it here: http://www.salsaforums.com/showthread.php?t=15373
I trust anonymous forum posters more than these critics. Or I guess I simply don't trust critics who hold SHO's recordings in high esteem.
― bourgeoistech bourgeoisthèque (_Rudipherous_), Thursday, 9 December 2010 02:51 (thirteen years ago) link
skot: i would listen to all these xlr8r best of the year tracks
i believe noted ilx poster table is the table does something there
― flopson, Thursday, 9 December 2010 02:56 (thirteen years ago) link
another no-placer on any of lists is nina nastasia's record, which i have a very hard time believing isn't better than most of what's on most of them. but of course i usually feel that way about her albums. i guess tomorrow's hipster cult artists have to come from somewhere.
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 9 December 2010 03:21 (thirteen years ago) link
In retrospect, after seeing more and more of these lists, the more I'm liking Drowned In Sound's. I mean, at least this:
1) Emeralds Does It Look Like I’m Here?2) The National High Violet3) Deftones Diamond Eyes4) Perfume Genius Learning
is a pretty interesting top 4, comparatively, even with the way too high National placement.
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 9 December 2010 04:03 (thirteen years ago) link
Gigwise
50. Ellie Goulding - Lights49. Delphic - Acolyte48. Cee Lo Green - The Lady Killer47. Eminem - Recovery46. Hurts - Happiness45. Tame Impala - Innerspeaker44. Two Door Cinema Club - Tourist History43. Band of Horses - Infinite Arms42. Plan B - The Defamation Of Strictland Banks41. The Coral - Butterfly House40. Steve Mason - Boys Outside39. The Chemical Brothers - Further38. Bryan Ferry - Olympia37. Kele - The Boxer36. Manic Street Preachers - Postcards From A Young Man35. Katy Perry - Teenage Dream34. Mystery Jets - Serotonin33. No Age - Everything In Between32. Sleigh Bells - Treats31. Flying Lotus – Cosmogramma30. Janelle Monae - The ArchAndroid29. Surfer Blood - Astro Coast28. Magnetic Man - Magnetic Man27. Kelis - Flesh Tone26. Robyn - Body Talk Pt 225. The Drums - The Drums24. Vampire Weekend – Contra23. Beach House - Teen Dream22. Trent Reznor & Atticus Ross - The Social Network21. Big Boi - Sir Lucious Left Foot: The Son Of Chico Dusty20. Four Tet - There Is Love In You19. Gil Scot-Heron - I'm New Here18. Salem - King Night17. Interpol – Interpol16. Black Keys – Brothers15. Tinie Tempah - Disc-Overy14. Laura Marling - I Speak Because I Can13. LCD Soundsystem - This Is Happening12. Yeasayer - Odd Blood11. Gorillaz - Plastic Beach10. My Chemical Romance - Danger Days09. Warpaint - The Fool08. These New Puritans – Hidden07. Caribou - Swim06. Foals - Total Life Forever05. Everything Everything - Man Alive04. Drake - Thank Me Later03. The National - High Violet02. Kanye West - My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy01. Arcade Fire - The Suburbs
― Mitchell Stirling, Thursday, 9 December 2010 11:49 (thirteen years ago) link
Gorilla vs Bear (Songs):
01 Ariel Pink’s Haunted Graffiti – Round and Round02 Joanna Newsom – Good Intentions Paving Company03 Beach House – 10 Mile Stereo04 James Blake – CMYK05 Girls – Carolina06 Twin Sister – All Around and Away We Go07 Panda Bear – Alsatian Darn08 James Blake – I Only Know (What I Know Now)09 Big K.R.I.T. – Country Shit10 Big Boi – Shutterbugg11 Deerhunter – He Would Have Laughed12 Morning Benders – Excuses (Yours Truly version)13 Arcade Fire – We Used to Wait14 Tennis – Marathon15 Joanna Newsom – Baby Birch16 Shabazz Palaces – Blastit17 earlwolf – Orange Juice / Gucci Mane – Lemonade18 Waka Flocka Flame – Hard In Da Paint19 Twin Shadow – Castles in the Snow20 Das Racist – hahahaha jk?21 Korallreven – Honey Mine (feat. Victoria Bergsman)22 Holy Other – YR LOVE23 White Denim – Some Wild Going Outward24 Crystal Castles – Not in Love (feat. Robert Smith)25 Kanye West – Blame Game (edit)26 White Hinterland – Icarus27 Ariel Pink’s Haunted Graffiti – Fright Night (Nevermore)28 Air Waves – Knockout29 Puro Instinct – Stilyagi (featuring Ariel Pink)30 Freddie Gibbs – National Anthem (Fuck the World)31 Grouper – Vessel32 Teen Inc. – Friend of the Night33 Harlem – Gay Human Bones34 Ghostface Killah – Together Baby35 Games – Strawberry Skies36 The Bitters – Travelin’ Girl37 Lower Dens – Hospice Gates38 jj – My Way39 Kanye West – Runaway (feat. Pusha T)40 Les Sins – Lina41 Sunset – Late Night Dawning42 Warpaint – Undertow43 Tyler, the Creator – VCR/Wheels44 Gil Scott-Heron – Me and the Devil45 Washed Out – You and I46 Erykah Badu – Window Seat47 Toro y Moi – Low Shoulder48 Miracles Club – A New Love49 Eternal Summers – Pure Affection50 Games – Planet Party51 Panda Bear – Untitled / King Tubby sample (live)52 Reading Rainbow – Wasting Time53 Happy Birthday – Subliminal Message54 Sufjan Stevens – Age of Adz55 Young Galaxy – Peripheral Visionaries56 Grimes – Devon57 Coyote Clean Up – Can’t Shake the Full Moon58 Candy Claws – Silent Time of Earth59 Rangers – Deerfield Village60 Wavves – King of the Beach61 How To Dress Well – Ready for the World62 Four Tet – Angel Echoes63 Caribou – Odessa64 Ciara – Ride (CFCF night bus refix)65 Appaloosa – Intimate (Glass Candy remix)66 Beautiful Swimmers – Big Coast67 Bodies of Water – Rise Up, Careful68 Pantha du Prince – Stick to my Side (feat. Panda Bear)69 Robyn – Dancing On My Own70 Hard Mix – Memories71 Animal Collective – Screens72 Nite Jewel – We Want Our Things73 Tame Impala – It Is Not Meant to Be74 Soft Healer – Movie Light75 Fabulous Diamonds – Track 476 The Knife – The Height of Summer77 The Sandwitches – Stardust78 Jamie Woon – Night Air (Ramadanman refix)79 Wet Wings – Running Like a Man80 Bullion – Say Goodbye to What
― Mitchell Stirling, Thursday, 9 December 2010 11:50 (thirteen years ago) link
Ha ha. Blame Game (edit). Does this edit exist or is it just wishful thinking?
― The baby boomers have defined everything once and for all (Dorianlynskey), Thursday, 9 December 2010 12:05 (thirteen years ago) link
xp Nastasia is on my list, but I did notice her conspicuous absence here.
I like the Quietus and Rock-A-Rolla lists best so far. I'd love to find the current issue -- anyone know if it could be found in Chicago? I'd subscribe, but man, those UK rags azzrpe you by doubling the price + poor exchange rate - $70 for 6 issues, gah.
― Fastnbulbous, Thursday, 9 December 2010 13:48 (thirteen years ago) link
Amazed the Arcade Fire record is doing so well here given that most of the reviews I'd seen were along the lines of "some great songs, too long, patchy and a bit overwrought".
― Matt DC, Thursday, 9 December 2010 14:06 (thirteen years ago) link
Fastnbulbous - I occassionally see Rock-A-Rolla at my local newsstand, but thats about it. Don't really come across it very often.
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 9 December 2010 14:10 (thirteen years ago) link
longtime ilxors who keep making the same complaints about longtime ilxors who keep making the same complaints about obvious lists are even more boring than longtime ilxors who keep making the same complaints about obvious lists
― da croupier, Thursday, 9 December 2010 14:21 (thirteen years ago) link
Wow you sure showed everyone!
― Matt DC, Thursday, 9 December 2010 14:21 (thirteen years ago) link
taking it to the next level, that's what i do
― da croupier, Thursday, 9 December 2010 14:22 (thirteen years ago) link
the next level of boring, sure
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 9 December 2010 14:23 (thirteen years ago) link
My mind hasn't been this blown since I watched Inception.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 9 December 2010 14:32 (thirteen years ago) link
Gigwise04. Drake - Thank Me Later03. The National - High Violet02. Kanye West - My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy01. Arcade Fire - The Suburbs
04. Drake - Thank Me Later03. The National - High Violet02. Kanye West - My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy01. Arcade Fire - The Suburbs
worst top four yet
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Thursday, 9 December 2010 14:37 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean, do some of these publications even vote on their own year-end lists, or just look at what other mags/sites are ranking highly and then make sure those albums are on their list, too?
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Thursday, 9 December 2010 14:39 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't know, but the confusion and anger you guys feel about Kanye ranking so high is multiplied a thousand-fold for me when I see Drake that high.
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 9 December 2010 14:40 (thirteen years ago) link
I think generally music writers listen to whatever other music writers are talking about and then just agree on everything because they are mostly boring, fat, sad, post-collegiate white men who think Arcade Fire is an interesting band
― maher shalal hash tagz (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 9 December 2010 14:42 (thirteen years ago) link
don't be so hard on yourself!
― scott seward, Thursday, 9 December 2010 14:45 (thirteen years ago) link
:)
― maher shalal hash tagz (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 9 December 2010 14:46 (thirteen years ago) link
need more boring fat sad post-collegiate other kinds of people in this thing
― modrić in paradise (blueski), Thursday, 9 December 2010 15:07 (thirteen years ago) link
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51VEemS83yL.jpg
― Tim F, Thursday, 9 December 2010 15:10 (thirteen years ago) link
The Name of This Band Is Indigo Girls
― Andy K, Thursday, 9 December 2010 15:13 (thirteen years ago) link
― BO (DJP), Thursday, 9 December 2010 15:13 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saWZRuh2_Qg
― scott seward, Thursday, 9 December 2010 15:15 (thirteen years ago) link
Ha.
As I moan every year, editors of "generalist" sites and pubs should seek out writers into non- indie rock stuff, or at least open to non-indie. But maybe there also aren't that many writers into dance, r'n'b, afropop, reggaeton, experimental, country, whatever? Alas, when African/Caribbean/Latin magazine the Beat folded up shop at the beginning of the year, its freelance contributors seem to have given up on writing rather than trying to find new locations.
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 9 December 2010 15:20 (thirteen years ago) link
But maybe there also aren't that many writers into dance, r'n'b, afropop, reggaeton, experimental, country, whatever?
I mean, yeah, this is def true! There's def some sociological connection between "wanting to be a music writer" and "thinking indie rock is good music"
― maher shalal hash tagz (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 9 December 2010 15:23 (thirteen years ago) link
the last refuge of an english major
― scott seward, Thursday, 9 December 2010 15:28 (thirteen years ago) link
― curmudgeon, Thursday, December 9, 2010 9:20 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
how much freedom are these genre experts really given to affect the outcome of consensus lists, really. it requires that other writers give a shit about the genre on its own terms. you have to have an even number of rap writers. rap writers, or dance writers, not just a couple 'experts' scattered amongst a bunch of arcade fire fans (& even then yr dealing w/ rap writers who often accept corny received wisdom about what is 'worthwhile' etc.)
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Thursday, 9 December 2010 15:32 (thirteen years ago) link
id rather write w/ an indie fan whose taste was well-articulated & unique/interesting even if strictly indie (lol does this exist) than a dude listing every j dilla clone who dropped an lp this year
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Thursday, 9 December 2010 15:33 (thirteen years ago) link
requires that other writers give a shit about the genre on its own terms
And that those other writers also totally agree on which dance, r'n'b, afropop, reggaeton, experimental, country, etc., records were the best ones of the year! Which is real hard to do, given the numbers.
― xhuxk, Thursday, 9 December 2010 15:37 (thirteen years ago) link
But like I said in my Pazz & Jop essay last year, the trend lately definitely seems to be moving toward indie-rock dominating end-of-year lists as a whole in ways that no one genre has dominated in decades, if ever. (Assuming you think of indie-rock as just "one genre" -- lots of people don't.) Though looks like hip-hop might be doing better, in general, this year than last year -- even if the albums doing well are mostly predictable, and not necessarily all that good.
― xhuxk, Thursday, 9 December 2010 15:42 (thirteen years ago) link
otm music taste is way lamer, but still as diverse as, the early 00s
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Thursday, 9 December 2010 15:45 (thirteen years ago) link
i think its basically a function of ppl getting to ignore the pop charts now so the echo chamber is harder than ever to puncture
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Thursday, 9 December 2010 15:52 (thirteen years ago) link
people are comfy in their internet bubbles.
― scott seward, Thursday, 9 December 2010 15:56 (thirteen years ago) link
My bubble is starting to smell funny.
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 9 December 2010 15:57 (thirteen years ago) link
time to clean yer indie pod
― scott seward, Thursday, 9 December 2010 15:57 (thirteen years ago) link
i didn't even know that my chemical romance had an album out this year until i looked at one of those year-end lists. i'm in my stoner rock bubble too much i guess.
― scott seward, Thursday, 9 December 2010 16:01 (thirteen years ago) link
Mine reeks of NWOBHM spandex. Those red and white stripped ones are ripe!
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 9 December 2010 16:01 (thirteen years ago) link
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Thursday, December 9, 2010 9:33 AM (28 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
altho i guess the q is whether there is an 'indie as a distinct genre' heirarchy that exists outside of 'critical acclaim'
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Thursday, 9 December 2010 16:02 (thirteen years ago) link
so Kanye is considered to be indie rock now, huh?
― hipity-hopity muzik ftw! (Ioannis), Thursday, 9 December 2010 16:23 (thirteen years ago) link
well he is recording with Bon Iver
― BO (DJP), Thursday, 9 December 2010 16:24 (thirteen years ago) link
very tru.
― hipity-hopity muzik ftw! (Ioannis), Thursday, 9 December 2010 16:24 (thirteen years ago) link
his music is also boring, wanky & pretentious lol
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Thursday, 9 December 2010 16:25 (thirteen years ago) link
...but in a good way.
― hipity-hopity muzik ftw! (Ioannis), Thursday, 9 December 2010 16:26 (thirteen years ago) link
In the world of US politics Deej wants us to accept that the glass is half-full and that Obama acting centrist is all we can get, but in the music crit world he wants his Waka (or is it some other rapper not listed above) and not that centrist choice Kanye
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 9 December 2010 17:03 (thirteen years ago) link
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Thursday, 9 December 2010 17:04 (thirteen years ago) link
im not on pfork expecting waka to go #1, no
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Thursday, 9 December 2010 17:06 (thirteen years ago) link
it is a better album just like the ideal health care bill is better than the one that passed
but obvi that doesnt matter
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Thursday, 9 December 2010 17:07 (thirteen years ago) link
Pop Matters singles
60. Mutiny Within - Awake59. OK Go - White Knuckles58. Darren Hanlon - All These Things57. Mark Ronson and the Business International - Somebody to Love Me56. Mama’s Gun - Let’s Find a Way55. Here We Go Magic - Collector54. Daddy Yankee - Vida en la Noche”53. Josh Ritter - The Curse52. Foals - This Orient51. Sharon Jones & the Dap Kings - The Game Gets Old50. Flying Lotus feat. Thom Yorke - ...And the World Laughs With You49. The Roots - How I Got Over48. Beach House - Norway47. Crystal Castles feat. Robert Smith - Not in Love46. Owen Pallett - E Is for Estranged45. Jonsî - Go Do44. Frog Eyes - A Flower in a Glove43. Kylie Minogue - All the Lovers42. Gil Scott-Heron - New York Is Killing Me41. Surfer Blood - Take It Easy40. Liz Phair - Bollywood39. Frightened Rabbit - Swim Until You Can’t See Land38. Ryan Bingham & the Dead Horses - Depression37. Delorean - Stay Close36. Oneohtrix Point Never - Returnal (feat. Antony)35. MGMT - Flash Delirium34. The Hold Steady - The Weekenders33. Sufjan Stevens - Impossible Soul32. Eminem - Not Afraid31. Sleigh Bells - Rill Rill30. Titus Andronicus - A More Perfect Union29. Lady Gaga ft. Beyoncé - Telephone28. Justin Townes Earle - Harlem River Blues27. Sade - Soldier of Love26. Caribou - Odessa25. Best Coast - Boyfriend24.The New Pornographers - Sweet Talk Sweet Talk23. Kanye West - Runaway (feat. Pusha T)22. Surfer Blood - Swim21. Erykah Badu - Window Seat20. Blur - Fool’s Day19. LCD Soundsystem - All I Want18. Joanna Newsom - Good Intentions Paving Company17. Gorillaz - Stylo16. The New Pornographers - The Crash Years15. Robyn - Dancing on My Own14. Spoon - Written in Reverse13. Sleigh Bells - Tell ‘Em12. Janelle Monáe - Cold War11. Miranda Lambert - The House That Built Me10. Deerhunter - Helicopter9. Gogol Bordello - Pala Tute8. Ariel Pink’s Haunted Graffiti - Round and Round7. Big Boi - Shutterbugg6. LCD Soundsystem - Dance Yrself Clean5. Kanye West - Power4. The National - Bloodbuzz, Ohio3. Arcade Fire - Sprawl II2. Janelle Monáe - Tightrope1. Cee-Lo Green - Fuck You
― Dan S, Thursday, 9 December 2010 17:15 (thirteen years ago) link
Yes, IlX's Dr. Phil voted in the Pop Matters poll for #54 while most folks mistakenly wrote off Daddy Yankee years ago.
Need to research this more, but I think that since Sasha Frere-Jones reviewed a big reggaeton show at Madison Square Garden in the New Yorker several years back, that he has not written about any Spanish-language pop since (despite his criticisms of others several years back).
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 9 December 2010 17:27 (thirteen years ago) link
stopped reading that list at
59. OK Go - White Knuckles
― maher shalal hash tagz (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 9 December 2010 17:30 (thirteen years ago) link
Love that DY song.
― bourgeoistech bourgeoisthèque (_Rudipherous_), Thursday, 9 December 2010 17:32 (thirteen years ago) link
should have kept reading:
46. Owen Pallett - E Is for Estranged
(should also have been higher)
― BO (DJP), Thursday, 9 December 2010 17:33 (thirteen years ago) link
― curmudgeon, Thursday, December 9, 2010 11:27 AM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark
tbf sfj has kinda not been on the bleeding edge of anything for a minute
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Thursday, 9 December 2010 17:34 (thirteen years ago) link
isn't he busy writing a book or sumthing?
― hipity-hopity muzik ftw! (Ioannis), Thursday, 9 December 2010 17:35 (thirteen years ago) link
I think so, but he still contributes some to the New Yorker and lists his 2010 best albums and singles on his blog or tumblr
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 9 December 2010 17:41 (thirteen years ago) link
since when is being on the bleeding edge of anything important?
oh wait i'm talking to deej, nvm
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Thursday, 9 December 2010 17:42 (thirteen years ago) link
successfully zinged by ilxor, lose two "face" points
― maher shalal hash tagz (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 9 December 2010 17:47 (thirteen years ago) link
whiney deems zing successful #zingfail
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Thursday, 9 December 2010 17:48 (thirteen years ago) link
oh look the comedy police
― maher shalal hash tagz (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 9 December 2010 17:50 (thirteen years ago) link
Yummy Bingham and Live Goats
― Andy K, Thursday, 9 December 2010 17:51 (thirteen years ago) link
for a dude that had universal ilx praise round here for awhile im kind of in the he-fell-off camp. freddie gibbs piece was eye-roll-y, & there's something so trite & un-critical about stuff like this: "Get ready for a fight about the legitimacy of the group and, hopefully, for an influx of more South African pop culture."
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Thursday, 9 December 2010 17:51 (thirteen years ago) link
Any excuse to post thishttp://i52.tinypic.com/2coh6vs.jpg
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Thursday, 9 December 2010 17:51 (thirteen years ago) link
seriously i think that might have been my least favorite sentence from a great writer all year
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Thursday, 9 December 2010 17:54 (thirteen years ago) link
hey look guys, herman's emerged from his false metal judging panel
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Thursday, 9 December 2010 17:56 (thirteen years ago) link
*crickets*
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Thursday, 9 December 2010 17:59 (thirteen years ago) link
*comedy cricket foot police*
― Local Hardman (some dude), Thursday, 9 December 2010 18:00 (thirteen years ago) link
*improper use of asterisks police*
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Thursday, 9 December 2010 18:00 (thirteen years ago) link
pointless request but can we talk about music instead of each other because frankly this bullshit meta sniping is what makes you all incredibly tedious and useless
― BO (DJP), Thursday, 9 December 2010 18:01 (thirteen years ago) link
oh look the sniping police
― maher shalal hash tagz (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 9 December 2010 18:03 (thirteen years ago) link
Pop Matters singles list includes the title track from the Roots' How I Got Over. the album was released in June 2010 but that song was released as a single in June 2009.
― Local Hardman (some dude), Thursday, 9 December 2010 18:03 (thirteen years ago) link
had a good run for awhile there
― omar little, Thursday, 9 December 2010 18:04 (thirteen years ago) link
can you all just keep insulting each other cuz i'd actually prefer that to talk of the arcade fire and kanye.
― scott seward, Thursday, 9 December 2010 18:07 (thirteen years ago) link
let's all talk about Vampire Weekend instead. i like 'em.
― hipity-hopity muzik ftw! (Ioannis), Thursday, 9 December 2010 18:15 (thirteen years ago) link
xp Rock-A-Rolla wrote back and said Reckless carries it. I've looked there before with no luck. I had 'em hold the Oct/Nov issue for me. I assume the one with the year-end list is Dec/Jan? It isn't there yet.
― Fastnbulbous, Thursday, 9 December 2010 18:22 (thirteen years ago) link
aQ might get it?
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Thursday, 9 December 2010 18:27 (thirteen years ago) link
They said the Young Gods cover with the list should be in U.S. stores in 2 wks. Does it have some good write-ups with each album?
Picked up Decibel last night, and both Ivar and Grutle of Enslaved put Motorpsycho in their top 5 (both also had Iron Maiden and Shining). It's not for everyone, but if you're into psych 'n' prog, I recommend it.
I gotta have respect for anyone who listens to more stuff than me (which seems to max out at 500 a year lately). I'd imagine if I had to listen to more than 1,000 new albums a year my habits would change and I would be less patient for growers, and more into stuff that spreads immediately with the hooks and the melodies.
― Fastnbulbous, Thursday, 9 December 2010 20:00 (thirteen years ago) link
― maher shalal hash tagz (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, December 9, 2010 12:03 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i lolled. can al weigh in on this one too
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Thursday, 9 December 2010 20:09 (thirteen years ago) link
that's not an actual request, is it
― Local Hardman (some dude), Thursday, 9 December 2010 20:23 (thirteen years ago) link
Via the Awl:
Nearly 100 People Choose Their #1 Album of 2010
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 9 December 2010 22:39 (thirteen years ago) link
omg where is strongo
― BO (DJP), Thursday, 9 December 2010 22:41 (thirteen years ago) link
NICE thanks!!
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Thursday, 9 December 2010 22:41 (thirteen years ago) link
Kanye West: My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy—Charles AaronKanye West: My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy—AntiquietKanye West: My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy—Zach BaronKanye West: My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy—John BrodeurKanye West: My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy—Dave BryKanye West: My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy—Zoe ChaceKanye West: My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy—Caryn GanzKanye West: My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy—Dan GibsonKanye West: My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy—J. Edward KeyesKanye West: My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy—Amy PhillipsKanye West: My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy—Chris RichardsKanye West: My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy—Simon Vozick-LevinsonKanye West: My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy—Jonah Weiner
Kanye West: My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy—Antiquiet
Kanye West: My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy—Zach Baron
Kanye West: My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy—John Brodeur
Kanye West: My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy—Dave Bry
Kanye West: My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy—Zoe Chace
Kanye West: My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy—Caryn Ganz
Kanye West: My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy—Dan Gibson
Kanye West: My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy—J. Edward Keyes
Kanye West: My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy—Amy Phillips
Kanye West: My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy—Chris Richards
Kanye West: My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy—Simon Vozick-Levinson
Kanye West: My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy—Jonah Weiner
O_O
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Thursday, 9 December 2010 22:43 (thirteen years ago) link
popular record is popular
― maher shalal hash tagz (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 9 December 2010 22:45 (thirteen years ago) link
whiney g. is whiney
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Thursday, 9 December 2010 22:51 (thirteen years ago) link
Ned's choice not particularly surprising. ;)
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 9 December 2010 22:54 (thirteen years ago) link
is it loveless?
― scott seward, Thursday, 9 December 2010 22:55 (thirteen years ago) link
yes
― BO (DJP), Thursday, 9 December 2010 22:57 (thirteen years ago) link
Arp: The Soft Wave—Scott TennentCiara: Basic Instinct—Alex MacphersonErykah Badu: New Amerykah Part 2—Seth Colter WallsHarvey Milk: A Small Turn of Human Kindness—Christopher R. WeingartenJack Rose: Luck in the Valley—Bill MeyerKylesa: Spiral Shadow—Gillian ReaganLindstrøm & Christabelle: Real Life Is No Cool—Kate SilverRangda: False Flag—Marc MastersSchool of Seven Bells: Disconnect From Desire—Ned Raggett
Ciara: Basic Instinct—Alex Macpherson
Erykah Badu: New Amerykah Part 2—Seth Colter Walls
Harvey Milk: A Small Turn of Human Kindness—Christopher R. Weingarten
Jack Rose: Luck in the Valley—Bill Meyer
Kylesa: Spiral Shadow—Gillian Reagan
Lindstrøm & Christabelle: Real Life Is No Cool—Kate Silver
Rangda: False Flag—Marc Masters
School of Seven Bells: Disconnect From Desire—Ned Raggett
would love to see more love for these ^^ in year-end polls
Destroyer: Streethawk – A Seduction—Ryan Catbird
lol wasn't this released 10-11 years ago?
Insane Clown Posse: Bang! Pow! Boom! (Nuclear Edition)—Camille Dodero
uhhhhh... really??
James Blake: (“My iTunes playlist of James Blake’s 2010 collected works”)—Scott Plagenhoef
loving this choice!
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Thursday, 9 December 2010 22:57 (thirteen years ago) link
(whiney if u want i can give u color commentary on all 100+ choices, y/n)
"MY COMPUTER is the album of the year" wasn't even clever when Spin did it 10 years ago
― Local Hardman (some dude), Thursday, 9 December 2010 23:02 (thirteen years ago) link
there are plenty of artists at this point for whom 'the collected eps by...' has been replaced by 'the collected mp3s by'
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Thursday, 9 December 2010 23:07 (thirteen years ago) link
I think Cam1ll3 D0der0 is on some ironic ish with that. She's a Village Voice web editor and she calls herself a "Juggalo expert" on her twitter bio. She also wrote one of those big pieces about "lol look at the juggalos gathering".
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 9 December 2010 23:08 (thirteen years ago) link
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Thursday, December 9, 2010 6:06 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
did people ever refer to "the collected EPs by" an artist as an album or are you talking about stuff that actually was compiled/reissued on one release?
― Local Hardman (some dude), Thursday, 9 December 2010 23:10 (thirteen years ago) link
The process of recycling Styrofoam
The process of recycling Styrofoam involves feeding the collected EPS foam through conveyor belts into a shredding machine.
The shredded EPS foam is then transferred to a plastic extruder where the foam is exposed to heat and pressure to melt the EPS foam. Subsequently, the melted EPS foam passes out through a small outlet at the end of the extruder and solidifies into a continuous form.
This form of EPS can then be easily transported to the required factories for remolding (again using heat and pressure) into its new EPS products.
Check out this video on the Styrofoam recycling process.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvHuX32_--g
― omar little, Thursday, 9 December 2010 23:14 (thirteen years ago) link
fyi, camille's piece was really good in that it was one of the few that wasn't all condescendingly "lol juggalos"
― SBin & The Witch (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 9 December 2010 23:24 (thirteen years ago) link
That is true Whiney, I had her piece mixed up with another one until I looked at it again.
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 9 December 2010 23:25 (thirteen years ago) link
it was still basically "lol juggalos" but not terribly condescending in the process
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Thursday, 9 December 2010 23:30 (thirteen years ago) link
everyone has terrible taste in music except for me
― Lamp, Thursday, 9 December 2010 23:32 (thirteen years ago) link
Pop Matters list if full of non-singles. Sloppy.
― Mitchell Stirling, Thursday, 9 December 2010 23:38 (thirteen years ago) link
juno top 50 tracks - http://www.junodownload.com/plus/2010/12/09/juno-plus-top-50-tracks-of-2010/
― just sayin, Friday, 10 December 2010 00:04 (thirteen years ago) link
Makes the FACT list look like Q and makes me feel about 108.
― The baby boomers have defined everything once and for all (Dorianlynskey), Friday, 10 December 2010 00:08 (thirteen years ago) link
wowee zowee that juno thing is my kinda list! have no idea what any of it sounds like. gonna investigate. cheers!
― scott seward, Friday, 10 December 2010 00:09 (thirteen years ago) link
― just sayin, Friday, 10 December 2010 00:12 (thirteen years ago) link
already digging the kevin gorman track. sounds awesome.
― scott seward, Friday, 10 December 2010 00:13 (thirteen years ago) link
is there any list out there that includes "miami 2 ibiza" aside from mine? like, is there any dance crit site that takes populist dance music seriously whatsoever? it seems like theres some wild double standard w/ rap where everyone takes Drake soooo seriously, and dance music where we're only reviewing obscure german 12"
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Friday, 10 December 2010 00:30 (thirteen years ago) link
James Blake aside, that Juno list is great. The Midnight Magic/Jacques Renault record is a jam and the whole Permanent Vacation comp it comes from is ace.
Virtually every other song with Tinie Tempah on this year is better than Miami 2 Ibiza.
― Matt DC, Friday, 10 December 2010 00:31 (thirteen years ago) link
miami 2 ibiza rules wtf
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Friday, 10 December 2010 00:33 (thirteen years ago) link
im not concerned w/ tinie tempah im concerned w/ big populist dance music that critics pretend doesnt exist
like taio cruz?
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Friday, 10 December 2010 00:34 (thirteen years ago) link
I think dance music criticism and populist dance music do sometimes stray closer to one another but they're very far apart indeed at the moment, if only because the David Guetta/Swedish House Mafia school is so awful. They were much closer when people like Mylo or Felix or Zombie Nation were having huge hits.
― Matt DC, Friday, 10 December 2010 00:36 (thirteen years ago) link
& i dont mean 'populist' as in popular with fools gold fans who are willing to put up w/ 4th rate strictly rhythm bites but 'populist' as in, crosses over to huge dance audiences
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Friday, 10 December 2010 00:36 (thirteen years ago) link
― Matt DC, Thursday, December 9, 2010 6:36 PM (8 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
you could say the same thing about rap right now, except that for some reason, (and im not saying this is true on ilx), critics at certain places that i might even write for are still repping for some super lame pop rap
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Friday, 10 December 2010 00:39 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah but a significant number of rap writers have spent the best part of the decade fighting the corner for mainstream/commercial rap whereas in dance music its more about crate digging and highlighting the best stuff for DJs. The critical landscape is totally different.
― Matt DC, Friday, 10 December 2010 00:42 (thirteen years ago) link
Mostly amateur DJs I think...
― Matt DC, Friday, 10 December 2010 00:43 (thirteen years ago) link
This is true, but I think the bigger issue is not whether post-Guetta stuff or Swedish House Mafia is good or not but rather how it's conceived and categorised. Stuff like "Dynamite" and "Club Can't Handle Me" really is the pop-dance of now, this is the kind of stuff that gets played at christmas office parties whereas 4 years ago it might have been "Drop The Pressure" and "Call On Me". And then of course Gaga as well.
The effect of which is that the entire substratum of chartbound populist dance has now blurred to the point of indistinction from actual pop/r&b. The Kylie collabo with Taio is very telling in this regard.
Even 3 or 4 years ago pop-dance in the sense of dance producers releasing non-star-based songs that would go to the top of the charts was its own distinct thing and merited attention as a genre in itself. I'm not sure if that's true at the moment, though obviously any such remission is directly inversely proportionate to how much more dance-pop-ish pop/r&b happens to be.
And of course non-charting populist dance is always one of the most ignored areas of music (see also non-charting populist rap or non-charting populist R&B) - see UK funky obv!
And I'm pretty sure no actual dance music review site has ever taken pop-dance seriously.
― Tim F, Friday, 10 December 2010 00:48 (thirteen years ago) link
tinie tempah album is pretty rubbish for the most part imo but miami2ibiza is slightly better than most of the shm/guetta shit. would rather listen/dance to crookers type stuff but there seems to be no actual charting/populist dance stuff in my top 100 tracks apart from uh telephone if that counts. maybe i can find a seamus haji remix of something to boost if desperate.
― modrić in paradise (blueski), Friday, 10 December 2010 00:52 (thirteen years ago) link
actually its the passion pit remix of telephone which def doesn't count
― modrić in paradise (blueski), Friday, 10 December 2010 00:57 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah I think the Guetta track that's likely to get closest to any of these lists is actually a Kelis song.
― Matt DC, Friday, 10 December 2010 00:59 (thirteen years ago) link
i forget that i quite like Acapella and 4th Of July
― modrić in paradise (blueski), Friday, 10 December 2010 01:00 (thirteen years ago) link
what are the biggest dance tracks of the last year or so?
― nakhchivan, Friday, 10 December 2010 01:00 (thirteen years ago) link
as in sales / mnstrm exposure obv
― nakhchivan, Friday, 10 December 2010 01:01 (thirteen years ago) link
UK funky has really replaced my pop-dance fandom over the last few years. I still liked a fair amount of stuff last year like the Ducksauce tune but this year the only thing i've really stanned for is Chris Sorbello's "So Lonely" (in both its Club Mix and Hook & Sling Mix forms).
― Tim F, Friday, 10 December 2010 01:03 (thirteen years ago) link
the aformentioned kelis an anything involving guettawe speak no americanosidney samson - riversideduck sauce - barbara streisand
:(
― modrić in paradise (blueski), Friday, 10 December 2010 01:03 (thirteen years ago) link
barbara streisand is a pretty boring song! love the video tho
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Friday, 10 December 2010 01:09 (thirteen years ago) link
The first Ducksauce tune was much better.
Riverside's awesome obv.
"Pon De Floor" might be the most universalising tune of the last two years in terms of critical and popular support combined...?
― Tim F, Friday, 10 December 2010 01:10 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah i checked those and they seem pretty bad except for riverside....which seems alright
― nakhchivan, Friday, 10 December 2010 01:12 (thirteen years ago) link
adam buxton showed 'pon de floor' at one of his music video showcases at the nft, replete with a careful selction of lol wite ppl youtube comments
'you had to be there'
― nakhchivan, Friday, 10 December 2010 01:18 (thirteen years ago) link
i guess commerical dance had a brief mid-decade convergence with 'critical trends' before returning to its early 00s nadir
― nakhchivan, Friday, 10 December 2010 01:19 (thirteen years ago) link
And of course non-charting populist dance is always one of the most ignored areas of music
what to you is the difference between non-charting populist dance and non-charting non-populist dance?
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Friday, 10 December 2010 03:16 (thirteen years ago) link
i kind of agree in theory that commercial dance should be taken more seriously but swedish house mafia and david guetta just suck ass and can jump off a cliff as far as i'm concerned
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Friday, 10 December 2010 03:17 (thirteen years ago) link
so odd that the one artist i felt actually did the otherwise awful trend du jour with panache and creativity - kelis - actually ended up completely flopping
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Friday, 10 December 2010 03:18 (thirteen years ago) link
The curse of La Roux
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 10 December 2010 03:18 (thirteen years ago) link
la roux didn't end up on the album in the end, thankfully!
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Friday, 10 December 2010 03:24 (thirteen years ago) link
Your voodoo hex worked! (I assume you arranged for one.)
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 10 December 2010 03:25 (thirteen years ago) link
more like a hitman
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Friday, 10 December 2010 03:33 (thirteen years ago) link
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― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Friday, 10 December 2010 03:42 (thirteen years ago) link
This wasn't some kind of snarky comment I was making, and is separate to the discussion we were having earlier this year re mid-00s dance criticism vs dance criticism circa 2010 (though that may not have been clear). I'm talking about the ultra ultra populist stuff.
Like, this week I had to review a single by a local duo called Scarlet Belle (or something, i forget), who are comprised of a former OZ Popstars group member and a former Australian Idol contestant, and who make mildly r&b-ified vocal-house that's kinda wannabe Freemasons. This stuff is basically designed for gay clubs and suburban pubs (despite the almost antithetical nature of their respective audiences). Sometimes it charts but for every such track that becomes a hit there's like 10 that hardly anyone hears. I can feel already this one's gonna flop.
This is non-charting populist dance. A lot of it isn't very good and doesn't deserve to be reviewed - as per a lot of most genres.
In the same way that there's reams of non-charting teen-pop and non-charting populist R&B.
And all of these "scenes" have individual critics or non-critic fans who over-fetishise it all to death, but media publications tend to shy away from any such thing if the non-charting side of things can't be fashioned as a kind of "underground" of sorts (uk funky is a bad example in this regard because it clearly can fit an "underground" narrative - the reasons for the media ignoring it are different and more complex).
Thing is, as far as I can tell there's simply a lot less populist dance being made these days. I used to get about 2 pop-trance singles per week in my review pile, but no longer.
― Tim F, Friday, 10 December 2010 03:56 (thirteen years ago) link
so wait, who are the people ignoring or not writing about uk funky? i'm curious. and the reasons are complex! i smell intrigue...
is there foul play afoot? i really need to get to the bottom of this.
― scott seward, Friday, 10 December 2010 04:26 (thirteen years ago) link
This thread has convinced me to come out of retirement. Thanks! (Also to listen to some records I haven't heard. Thanks for that too.)
― T Bone Streep (Cave17Matt), Friday, 10 December 2010 05:17 (thirteen years ago) link
It's not terribly intriguing. To be reductive, uk funky is "underground" enough that it's likely only going to be on the radar of dance music publications with an emphasis on explicitly (or purportedly) progressive/forward-slanted aesthetics, but doesn't chime in sufficiently with the other signifiers associated with that aesthetic(s) so as to generate much critical enthusiasm. So it falls between two stools.
Whereas pop-trance, say, is entirely off that radar.
― Tim F, Friday, 10 December 2010 06:26 (thirteen years ago) link
isnt that forward-thinking kind of mindset entirely ridiculous at this point, though? why are ppl still on this "pushing things forward" approach. why is there still so much centrality given to it?
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Friday, 10 December 2010 06:30 (thirteen years ago) link
like do the visual arts still rely on this linear idea of art history
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Friday, 10 December 2010 06:33 (thirteen years ago) link
idk im out of my league in art critcism but it seems absurd that ppl would still cling to this idea of 'progress' instead of a messy topo-geographical sort of situation
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Friday, 10 December 2010 06:34 (thirteen years ago) link
A hangover of dance music being "the sound of the future" X well it does care a lot about sound design X faster turnover of sonic trends than other genres, at least at its critically endorsed end X the progressive indiefication of all crit-focused dance music criticism.
At any rate the only reason I raised all of this was in answer to the question "why don't dance critics talk about 'Miami 2 Ibiza'" - I don't think this is a new thing.
The separate thread is what nakh refers to as the mid-00s convergence - when what was popular and what was critically endorsed were more interchangeable than before or after.
― Tim F, Friday, 10 December 2010 06:43 (thirteen years ago) link
ahh. yeah i mean i was more wondering if there was any sort of entertainment crit out their for dance fans along the lines of, like, R&B fan blogs etc.
but maybe mainstream R&B just has a higher success rate
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Friday, 10 December 2010 06:47 (thirteen years ago) link
this is a tricky way to generalize but i think that 'pop' dance tends to be more functional than aesthetic - not sure its really listened to often enough in the right context to provoke that kind of discussion
wld kinda love it if 'miami 2 ibizia' got repped in eoy lists tho
― Lamp, Friday, 10 December 2010 07:01 (thirteen years ago) link
Pop female artists who I was hoping for would make it big this year vs. pop female artists that did made it and secretly hope they would flop:
Nina Sky YAY!Kelis YAY!Amerie YAY!Cassie YAY!VSLa Roux NAY!Lady Gaga NAY!Ke$ha NAY!Robyn NAY!
― Moka, Friday, 10 December 2010 07:21 (thirteen years ago) link
if its any consolation, robyn didn't really make it
― in my world of young puppies (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 10 December 2010 07:22 (thirteen years ago) link
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Friday, 10 December 2010 07:23 (thirteen years ago) link
Well of course she didn't made it in the same degree as sat ke$ha or lady gaga but I did hear some of her songs on the radio this year frequently and I've heard my brother and his friends - who have a pretty mainstream taste and are my basis for what is becoming popular out there in the real world - playing her music on their gatherings. In any case she became more ubiquitious in my world than I expected her to be.
― Moka, Friday, 10 December 2010 07:32 (thirteen years ago) link
While I'm at it Janelle Monae and YahZarah also deserved more attention this year. I get Janelle Monae was pretty popular amongst critics this year but it didn't feel to me like her singles 'tightrope' or 'cold war' made as much a popular stirring as they wanted them to or at least not where I come from... come to think of it I don't think I heard anyone drop Janelle Monae out of my room this year.
― Moka, Friday, 10 December 2010 07:39 (thirteen years ago) link
Monae was the house band at the ESPY Awards, fwiw.
― Lightning Is For Babies (Johnny Fever), Friday, 10 December 2010 07:42 (thirteen years ago) link
Monae needs to be more famous than she is imo
― in my world of young puppies (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 10 December 2010 07:43 (thirteen years ago) link
ESPYs also had waka doing live performances w/ a marching band, so someone there has good taste
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Friday, 10 December 2010 07:43 (thirteen years ago) link
To be reductive, uk funky is "underground" enough that it's likely only going to be on the radar of dance music publications with an emphasis on explicitly (or purportedly) progressive/forward-slanted aesthetics, but doesn't chime in sufficiently with the other signifiers associated with that aesthetic(s) so as to generate much critical enthusiasm.
uk funky producers also DON'T RELEASE THEIR MUSIC, c'mon tim you can't pretend that's not a factor at all!
sadly the priority placed on forward-thinking aesthetics is something i can't deny that other critics employ, but a) w/r/t dance music that's something that is, as you hint, totally tied up with what's always driven actual dancefloors, which have to renew themselves every few years anyway, b) it's far from the only reason stuff gets critical momentum - look at how much dance music (azari & iii, house of house) gets praise for being retro-nostalgic.
also funky is a pretty bad example given that it DID get a ton of critical hype for fitting into exactly that forward-thinking aesthetic you describe and the actual sound hasn't got any less ~innovative~ - it's just retreated into itself as a scene.
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Friday, 10 December 2010 10:00 (thirteen years ago) link
i agree with all of these btw.
^likes black girls
― o let's not do it and say we did (The Reverend), Friday, 10 December 2010 10:32 (thirteen years ago) link
nina sky are latina, right?
and kelis and amerie are both half-asian...and i think cassie's mixed too.
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Friday, 10 December 2010 10:48 (thirteen years ago) link
oh i was just repeating an old gabbneb post
― o let's not do it and say we did (The Reverend), Friday, 10 December 2010 10:58 (thirteen years ago) link
that wasn't to be taken seriously
This is less the fault of the producers and more an issue with a complete lack of commercial infrastructure to support funky. There are still no UK funky record labels with any real profile or identity that I'm aware of - certainly no one that's immediately associable with the scene. This is unthinkable for any dance genre over two years old. It's no coincidence that the UK labels with the most critical momentum right now (Hyperdub, Night Slugs, Hessle Audio) are also the ones who are best at promoting and branding themselves and have really strong visual identities. Also yeah, mostly being white people probably helps as well.
I don't think it got THAT much critical hype, but hype's a double-edged sword for reasons I'll get into later. Having a stupid genre name doesn't help, but it doesn't really fit that classic forward thinking narrative very well. You can see it in the disttust and confusion it elicits in yer Simon Reynoldses and whatnot. The scene is entirely about socafied beats and tribal bangers, with other elements including pop songs worked into that framework.
But it's NOT self-consciously forward looking in the way that eg techno is, it's closer to the glammer end of high street house. The producers aren't interested in sounding futuristic, they're not particularly interested in "sound design" and the actual sonics are often pretty rudimentary - it's closer to grime in its ramshackle, DIY ethos than it is to dubstep. These are all things that are actually offputting to a lot of critics. It's the same mindset that caused the Brit press to go mad over the "forward thinking" Timbaland/Neps/Missy/Aaliyah rnb of the early 00s while ignoring, say, Teedra Moses. There's also a long-standing fear within parts of the dance press of being seen to rep too hard for anything that might be seen as too chavvy - FACT 2010 is similar to Jockey Slut 1999-2000 in that regard.
But yeah, I don't think being "retreating into itself" is necessarily a problem here an neither do you given you've been repping for Chicago juke this year. Scenes need time to develop out of the limelight. You look at the parallel development of grime and dubstep - grime was forced into the critical light too soon, way before it was ready, and it was met with a mixture of overhype and suspicion followed by confusion, ridicule, fear and suspicion. It collapsed into itself for years and then had to totally reinvent itself and go full-on commercial to get anywhere. Dubstep was allowed to grow more organically out of the glare and managed to gain solid ground-level support and grow organically and is now succceeding on its own terms. The latter's a much better blueprint for funky really.
This is all off the point really - the Mixmags of this world cover commercial dance a lot more than the online press do. Although I'd bet any money that Kanye wins their albums poll.
― Matt DC, Friday, 10 December 2010 11:02 (thirteen years ago) link
Actually a quick look at the Mixmag site reveals big Swedish House Mafia/Deadmau5/Pascha banners and they've put fucking Calvin Harris and Will.i.am on the cover of late. I think it's safe to say they're comfortable with this stuff.
― Matt DC, Friday, 10 December 2010 11:11 (thirteen years ago) link
Dagbladet (Norway)
INTERNATIONAL :
1. Kanye West «My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy»2. Big Boi «Sir Lucious Left Foot: The Son of Chico Dusty»3. Deerhunter «Halcyon Digest»4. Robyn «Body Talk»5. Janelle Monáe «The ArchAndroid»6. Mary Gauthier «The Foundling»7. AfroCubism «AfroCubism»8. Best Coast «Crazy For You»9. Håkan Hellström «2 steg från Paradise»10. LCD Soundsystem «This Is Happening»11. Deftones: «Diamond Eyes»12. Dungen: «Skit i allt»13. Ariel Pink's Haunted Graffiti: «Before Today»14. The Besnard Lakes: «Are the Roaring Night»15. Twin Shadow: «Forget»16. Jamey Johnson: «The Guitar Song»17. Charlotte Gainsbourg: «IRM»18. Caribou: «Swim»19. John Mellencamp: «No Better Than This»20. Mavis Staples: «You Are Not Alone»21. Neil Young: «Le Noise»22. Arcade Fire: «The Suburbs»23. Matthew Dear: «Black City»24. Zola Jesus: «Stridulum II»25. Robert Plant: «Band of Joy»26. Beach House: «Teen Dream»27. Justin Townes Earle: «Harlem River Blues»28. Los Lobos: «Tin Can Trust»29. The-Dream: «Love King»30. Iron Maiden: «The Final Frontier»
NORWAY :
1. Kvelertak «Kvelertak»2. Susanne Sundfør «The Brothel»3. Motorpsycho «Heavy Metal Fruit»4. Lars Vaular «Helt om natten, helt om dagen»5. Serena Maneesh «S-M No 2: Abyss In B Minor»6. Thomas Dybdahl «Waiting For That One Clear Moment»7. Ost & Kjex «Cajun Lunch»8. Hellbillies «Leite etter lykka»9. Odd Nordstoga «November»10. Kråkesølv «Bomtur til jorda»11. Röyksopp «Senior»12. Shining «Blackjazz»13. Karpe Diem «Aldri solgt en løgn»14. Frida Ånnevik «Synlige hjerteslag»15. Narum «Ælt som var søkk borte»16. Lindstrøm & Christabelle «Real Life Is No Cool»17. Casiokids «Topp stemning på lokal bar»18. Bjørn Eidsvåg «Rundt neste sving»19. Grande «You Are The Night»20. Kenneth Ishak & The Freedom Machines «Kenneth Ishak & The Freedom Machines»Go to the top of the page Delete Post
― Mitchell Stirling, Friday, 10 December 2010 11:12 (thirteen years ago) link
:D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dk-A21vtBJA
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Friday, 10 December 2010 11:22 (thirteen years ago) link
Minor lol at Lindstrøm & Christabelle being the 16th best Norwegian album of the year...who are Kvelertak?
― seandalai, Friday, 10 December 2010 11:32 (thirteen years ago) link
GEIR TO THREAD.
― Matt DC, Friday, 10 December 2010 11:38 (thirteen years ago) link
Kvelertak are sort of somewhere between progressive metal and hardcore punk, sing in Norwegian have seen it pick up a few votes in metalheads lists.
Saw Susanne Sundfør perform in Brighton this summer, she was excellent The Brother is a lot more adventurous then the previous two albums.
― Mitchell Stirling, Friday, 10 December 2010 11:39 (thirteen years ago) link
I guess the Norwegians know best themselves but I'm genuinely aggrieved that Arabrot aren't in that list. Likewise Shining.
― Carl Jung Jeezy (Doran), Friday, 10 December 2010 12:37 (thirteen years ago) link
Except they are.
― Carl Jung Jeezy (Doran), Friday, 10 December 2010 12:38 (thirteen years ago) link
Sorry.
idk if Arabrot have that much domestic game, didn't get that impression when I've spoke to them... I mean Dagbladet is like one of the biggest daily papers right? Surprised-ish at Lindstrom but this time last year half of us were going "wow this should be 2010's crossover pop hit blah etc" and look where that got it
― Princess BigSam (DJ Mencap), Friday, 10 December 2010 12:48 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, they're tiny aren't they? If it's any consolation I feel the same way when The News Of The World don't rep for Dethscalator in their end of year poll.
― Carl Jung Jeezy (Doran), Friday, 10 December 2010 12:56 (thirteen years ago) link
FACT Magazine's Top 20 Tracks of the year:
20: INJA HLUNGWANI - ‘N’WAGEZANI MY LOVE’19: AUTRE NE VEUT - ‘NEW DEPTH’18: ENDGAMES - ‘ECSTASY’ (JAM CITY REFIX)17: BIG BOI - ‘SHUTTERBUGG’16: ADDISON GROOVE - ‘FOOTCRAB’15: DEADBOY - ‘OFFICIAL GIRL’14: FOREST SWORDS - ‘MIARCHES’13: THE-DREAM - ‘YAMAHA’12: ERIK & FIEDEL - ‘NOUS SOMMES MMM’11: MATTHEW DEAR - ‘SLOWDANCE’10: DRAKE feat. THE-DREAM - ‘SHUT IT DOWN’09: KINK - ‘EXISTENCE’08: PANTHA DU PRINCE feat. PANDA BEAR - ‘STICK TO MY SIDE’07: ACTRESS - ‘MAZE’06: JAMES BLAKE - ‘CMYK’05: KANYE WEST feat. PUSHA T - 'RUNAWAY’04: MOSCA - ‘SQUARE ONE’03: DJ ZINC feat. MS. DYNAMITE -‘WILE OUT’02: RAMADANMAN - ‘GLUT’01: TEENGIRL FANTASY -‘CHEATERS’
Full Top 100 List on website
― prolego, Friday, 10 December 2010 13:44 (thirteen years ago) link
The Midnight Magic/Jacques Renault record is a jam and the whole Permanent Vacation comp it comes from is ace.
didnt even realise there was a selected label works 2! why does no one tell me these things
― just sayin, Friday, 10 December 2010 13:45 (thirteen years ago) link
Yamaha is too low, but respect for voting Wile Out so high. Whole list is a bit depressingly blokey and moody, although I find myself liking Ramadanman more and more and the Kink record at #9 is a straight-up banger.
Tim F I would strongly advise against reading the blurb for that Moscsa record!
(xpost Selected Label Works 2 is great but isn't quite up there with Vol. 1 but it does have Lauer's Delta NRG on it which is total hands-in-the-air awesomeness).
― Matt DC, Friday, 10 December 2010 13:51 (thirteen years ago) link
Also that Deadboy treatment of Official Girl... hasn't poor Cassie suffered enough?
― Matt DC, Friday, 10 December 2010 14:03 (thirteen years ago) link
fact 100 2010 spotify platlist. only 61/100, spotify's a bit rub
― smoke on this^ one (cozen), Friday, 10 December 2010 14:46 (thirteen years ago) link
Decibel named that their #22 metal album of the year! And I thought their description sounded interesting: "...seamlessly synthesize the unlikely and disparate elements of refinery-burning garage rock, black metal, re-jigged Norwegian folk talkes sung in their native tongue and owls drawn by John Baizley." I thought #29, an EP by a Washington band called Christian Mistress, sounded potentially cool, too. But I'm getting real lazy when it comes to seeking out metal albums. Also I have no idea who John Baizley is.
― xhuxk, Friday, 10 December 2010 15:18 (thirteen years ago) link
I like both the Kvelertak and Christian Mistress; check out "Mjød" by the former and "Black Vigil" by the latter on youtube. Well worth the few minutes that will take.
― EZ Snappin, Friday, 10 December 2010 15:26 (thirteen years ago) link
Baizley is the singer from Baroness and he does the artwork for their albums, as well as tons of other bands - Torche, Darkest Hour, Kylesa, Black Tusk...
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 10 December 2010 15:28 (thirteen years ago) link
Oh, that guy! Duh. I like Baroness's album covers even more than their music (which is pretty good.)
― xhuxk, Friday, 10 December 2010 15:33 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, his stuff is great.
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 10 December 2010 15:36 (thirteen years ago) link
This isn't really true though. I sat down and worked out my top 60 or 70 uk funky tunes of the year last week and about two thirds to three quarters had been released. And, of course, of the remaining unreleased portion most do get released subsequently (hence "House Girls 1" ending up on Fact's list in 2010 not 2008).
Of course it would be rather churlish of me to expect obscure tunes that only I have trainspotted to be getting a lot of attention from people other than me.
I think I have pretty much numbed myself to this stuff now Matt, it's okay.
Ramadanman is great, yes. If Fact had to put a juke-inspired post-dubstep record at number 2 I'm glad it was "Glut" and not "Footcrab", the appeal of which is simply unfathomable to me.
― Tim F, Friday, 10 December 2010 15:57 (thirteen years ago) link
"Footcrab"
even the name is terrible lol
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Friday, 10 December 2010 16:03 (thirteen years ago) link
Pre-eminent example of hearing a record talked about in such glowing terms and being genuinely keen to hear it, and then... If the tune didn't go "FOOTCRAB FOOTCRAB FOOTCRAB" throughout I would have assumed I'd gotten a hold of the wrong tune by mistake.
― Tim F, Friday, 10 December 2010 16:05 (thirteen years ago) link
*shatters test pressing of first production, "Crotchcricket"*
― Andy K, Friday, 10 December 2010 16:08 (thirteen years ago) link
different from their yearly top list. top 50 downloads of the year. most downloaded tracks, that is. although i don't know who downloaded them or where they downloaded them from.
http://www.xlr8r.com/features/2010/12/grab-xlr8rs-top-50-downloads-201
http://www.xlr8r.com/features/2010/12/grab-xlr8rs-top-downloads-2010-p
― scott seward, Friday, 10 December 2010 16:19 (thirteen years ago) link
Holy crap that Kvelertak is great! Between all the Norwegian bands and the HaandBryggeriet Norwegian Porter and Norwegian Wood beer I've had this week, this 1/8 Norwegian is achieving frequent tumescence.
― Fastnbulbous, Friday, 10 December 2010 16:29 (thirteen years ago) link
Music OMH
http://www.musicomh.com/music/features/2010-top-50-albums-intro_1110.htm
50. Gold Panda - Lucky Shiner49. Bryan Ferry - Olympia48. Liars - Sisterworld47. Hot Chip - One Life Stand46. Everything Everything - Man Alive45. Mulatu Astatke - Mulatu Steps Ahead44. Wild Nothing - Gemini43. Villagers - Becoming A Jackal42. Nedry - Condors41. These New Puritans - Hidden40. Allo Darlin' - Allo Darlin'39. The Walkmen - Lisbon38. Sleigh Bells - Treat37. Laura Marling - I Speak Because I Can36. Titus Andronicus - The Monitor35. The Irrepressibles - Mirror Mirror34. Marnie Stern - Marnie Stern33. Crystal Castles - Crystal Castles32. Phosphorescent - Here's To Taking It Easy31. 65daysofstatic - We Were Exploding Anyway30. Pantha Du Prince - Black Noise29. Stornoway - Beachcomber's Windowsill28. Bellowhead - Hedonism27. Jaga Jazzist - One Armed Bandit26. Gil Scott-Heron - I'm New Here25. Big Boi - Sir Lucious Left Foot: The Son Of Chico Dusty24. Best Coast - Crazy For You23. Grinderman - Grinderman 222. Owen Pallett - Heartland21. Menomena - Mines20. Field Music - Field Music (Measure)19. Surfer Blood - Astro Coast18. Edwyn Collins - Losing Sleep17. Joanna Newsom - Have One On Me16. Vampire Weekend - Contra15. Warpaint - The Fool14. Jónsi - Go13. Yeasayer - Odd Blood12. Kanye West - My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy11. Gorillaz - Plastic Beach10. John Grant with Midlake - Queen Of Denmark09. Four Tet - There Is Love In You08. Foals - Total Life Forever07. Deerhunter - Halcyon Digest06. LCD Soundsystem - This Is Happening05. Beach House - Teen Dream04. Caribou - Swim03. Janelle Monáe - The ArchAndroid02. Arcade Fire - The Suburbs01. The National - High Violet
― Mitchell Stirling, Friday, 10 December 2010 16:36 (thirteen years ago) link
IIRC Nedry is nice enough but not something I imagined being on anyone's year-end list.
― BO (DJP), Friday, 10 December 2010 16:37 (thirteen years ago) link
Not that I care, because I don't like them, but I thought that Of Montreal album was going to show up more. Did that get panned a lot?
― bourgeoistech bourgeoisthèque (_Rudipherous_), Friday, 10 December 2010 16:38 (thirteen years ago) link
it is kind of 'mad confusing' why ppl w/ the exact same taste as 100 other publications feel the need to publish a magazine at all.
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Friday, 10 December 2010 16:38 (thirteen years ago) link
to think i used to find jazz times / down beat duopoly redundent
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Friday, 10 December 2010 16:39 (thirteen years ago) link
redundant
more like Music SMH
― in my world of young puppies (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 10 December 2010 16:39 (thirteen years ago) link
is it actually worth checking out Deerhunter and The National? I've pretty much avoided them on GP.
― BO (DJP), Friday, 10 December 2010 16:41 (thirteen years ago) link
I honestly couldn't think of a band less worth anyone's time than The National
― in my world of young puppies (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 10 December 2010 16:43 (thirteen years ago) link
pretty much all this points out is that lists by committee (ie lists made by combining a bunch of lists from individual critics) are inevitably going to be safe and boring (duh) and that the individual critic lists are going to be more interesting on their own because they allow for personal tastes/idiosyncracies
― congratulations (n/a), Friday, 10 December 2010 16:43 (thirteen years ago) link
dan I'm guessing based on what I know about your musical tastes that you might like some Deerhunter songs and probably would not like the National, but obviously I could be wrong
― congratulations (n/a), Friday, 10 December 2010 16:44 (thirteen years ago) link
xpost, Has anyone said "I wish Pitchfork would publishe individual writers lists" yet, because I love how that chestnut of insight comes back every year like the groundhog seeing his shadow
― in my world of young puppies (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 10 December 2010 16:45 (thirteen years ago) link
I am listening to "Helicopter" by Deerhunter and sort of wonder exactly what the distinction between these guys and Owl City is
okay the chorus is much better but, um, the verses are kind of cloying
― BO (DJP), Friday, 10 December 2010 16:47 (thirteen years ago) link
they're supposed to be a "pop" band too.
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 10 December 2010 16:48 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah the new Deerhunter album is more pop, you'd probably like their earlier albums more? I don't know, I find them listenable but pretty boring overall.
― congratulations (n/a), Friday, 10 December 2010 16:49 (thirteen years ago) link
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yeah but you can at least cultivate a group of critics who overlap in more interesting ways than 'what other critics are covering.' i mean, downbeat's list is unlikely to include sleigh bells right? will the source feel obligated to include the national? these are extreme examples, & as much crap as ive given FACT for just incorporating pitchfork values to dance music, at least they serve an audience that doesnt have that attention otherwise, like, they have a reason to exist
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Friday, 10 December 2010 16:49 (thirteen years ago) link
pitchfork used to publish the individual lists tho didnt they? i thought it was just recently they stopped doing it
― just sayin, Friday, 10 December 2010 16:49 (thirteen years ago) link
"Bloodbuzz Ohio" by The National starts out with some really nice drums and then drowns them in wannabe Coldplay. Sorry guys, but I heard Editors first.
― BO (DJP), Friday, 10 December 2010 16:50 (thirteen years ago) link
xpost we should really talk about that in depth as no one ever brings that crucial detail up in these threads year after year
― in my world of young puppies (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 10 December 2010 16:50 (thirteen years ago) link
pitchfork should publish the individual lists, i want to know what those guys think!!
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Friday, 10 December 2010 16:51 (thirteen years ago) link
so neither Deerhunter nor The National appears to be outright offensive but I can't really envision the universal itch they apparently scratch given their presence on so many of these lists
― BO (DJP), Friday, 10 December 2010 16:52 (thirteen years ago) link
Exactly.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 10 December 2010 16:52 (thirteen years ago) link
xpost well what im saying is that it's weird ppl would bring that up year after year, when pitchfork published individual lists in 2007 at least.. i mean how many years do you mean by 'year after year'
― just sayin, Friday, 10 December 2010 16:53 (thirteen years ago) link
like, as much as I am not a fan of Joanna Newsom, I at least understand what makes her stand out; these guys seem to be the definition of "band you've heard before only with sharper publicists"
― BO (DJP), Friday, 10 December 2010 16:53 (thirteen years ago) link
(lol ITT DJP answers his own questions)
― BO (DJP), Friday, 10 December 2010 16:54 (thirteen years ago) link
arent the national fairly popular w indie fans? & ive been seeing the name 'deerhunter' on critics lists forever
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Friday, 10 December 2010 16:55 (thirteen years ago) link
by 'popular w/ indie fans' i mean in the sense that, like, they'll sell way more records than whatever indie buzz artist is big this yr
The National isn't really a "jumps out at you on first listen" kind of band, they have a boring sound but some of their songs are really strong and they grow on you after a while. That being said, their new album is not as good as their last two and I think a lot of the votes for it are just residual good feelings for Boxer and Alligator.
― congratulations (n/a), Friday, 10 December 2010 16:55 (thirteen years ago) link
they're essentially indie rock comfort food
― congratulations (n/a), Friday, 10 December 2010 16:57 (thirteen years ago) link
which isn't a put-down
― congratulations (n/a), Friday, 10 December 2010 16:58 (thirteen years ago) link
I think you need to listen to more than just "Helicopter" to get a feel for what Deerhunter does. In fact, I'm not sure why that particular track is getting so much attention (outside of it being the "single") because I can think of 4-5 better tracks on the new album. Try "Desire Lines" for a good taste of the band's talent.
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 10 December 2010 16:58 (thirteen years ago) link
I can see The National growing on me, but not in a "best of the year" way. (Deerhunter does have more potential in that regard even if my first impression of that song was more negative.)
Listening to "The Suburbs" by Arcade Fire and I would likely have more time for them if they had a different singer.
― BO (DJP), Friday, 10 December 2010 16:58 (thirteen years ago) link
title track of the Foals album is surprisingly enjoyable tho!
― BO (DJP), Friday, 10 December 2010 16:59 (thirteen years ago) link
lol and of course Four Tet
― BO (DJP), Friday, 10 December 2010 17:02 (thirteen years ago) link
they're essentially indie rock comfort food― congratulations (n/a), Friday, December 10, 2010 11:57 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― congratulations (n/a), Friday, December 10, 2010 11:57 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
I'll agree with this sentiment and will add that if you actually need this in your life, recheck your priorities imho.
― in my world of young puppies (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 10 December 2010 17:03 (thirteen years ago) link
I like the Foals album a lot. And Whiney, you are dangerously close to climbing back up on your self-righteous soapbox.
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 10 December 2010 17:04 (thirteen years ago) link
Indie rock comfort food:
"what a day. i wish i could settle into my ikea couch while some boring, bearded people could croon insipid, flavorless pseudo-intellectual pap at me to simultaneously reinforce my feelings of smugness and remind me of my place of white privilege."
― in my world of young puppies (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 10 December 2010 17:06 (thirteen years ago) link
***holding tongue***
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Friday, 10 December 2010 17:07 (thirteen years ago) link
flocka flocka bow bow bow
― in my world of young puppies (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 10 December 2010 17:07 (thirteen years ago) link
Oh for the love of god just shut the fuck up. No one actually cares what you have to say and you have never once been funny.
― Matt DC, Friday, 10 December 2010 17:09 (thirteen years ago) link
quiet everyone, the twitter rock critic is going to teach us about "white privilege"
― congratulations (n/a), Friday, 10 December 2010 17:12 (thirteen years ago) link
Is there any way one of the coders can add a feature so that Whiney and Deej can't ever post on the same thread again?
― Matt DC, Friday, 10 December 2010 17:12 (thirteen years ago) link
in fairness to deej he had nothing to do with this current iteration of Whiney cluelessness
― BO (DJP), Friday, 10 December 2010 17:14 (thirteen years ago) link
the content of my 'post' was 'im saying nothing' fyi
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Friday, 10 December 2010 17:16 (thirteen years ago) link
first time for everything
― in my world of young puppies (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 10 December 2010 17:17 (thirteen years ago) link
lol, i'm sorry i'm being such a troll on this thread this morning, i'll stop
the latest turn of this thread is like a morning cup of coffee
i feel like i can start my day now
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Friday, 10 December 2010 17:51 (thirteen years ago) link
anyway
as much as i love the deadboy remix of "fireworks" the "official girl" remix is pretty dreadful as matt attests
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Friday, 10 December 2010 17:54 (thirteen years ago) link
it's funny that it seems like everyone agreed in the kanye thread this was a record w/ no singles, and yet here we are & every list is putting "power" or "runaway" (this one is esp rmde to me) in their top 10s
i'll big up fact for "shut it down" tho, that's a jam (altho as is typical w/ a small percentage of r&b nowadays, the leaked version was better than the one that ended up on the album)
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Friday, 10 December 2010 17:55 (thirteen years ago) link
has that hot chip album made a lot of lists, im too lazy to look. Sort of craptacular that.
― Let me explore your musky garden. (chrisv2010), Friday, 10 December 2010 17:56 (thirteen years ago) link
it's their best album!
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Friday, 10 December 2010 17:56 (thirteen years ago) link
i think runaway makes more sense as a single to vote for! its weird in line w/ the rest of the album, and def feels less generic, for all its flaws, than 'pwer'
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Friday, 10 December 2010 17:57 (thirteen years ago) link
if youre the kind of person who likes the album then 'runaway' is def the kind of song you would be feeling, is what im saying
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Friday, 10 December 2010 17:58 (thirteen years ago) link
^^^ this rings true
― BO (DJP), Friday, 10 December 2010 17:59 (thirteen years ago) link
remind me of my place of white privilege
i don't really like the nat'l much. but why, exactly, do you say their music "reinforces its audiences' notions about white privilege"?
― Daniel, Esq., Friday, 10 December 2010 18:01 (thirteen years ago) link
i think mainly i dislike it cuz it ain't really my bag.
― Let me explore your musky garden. (chrisv2010), Friday, 10 December 2010 18:01 (thirteen years ago) link
oh, sorry, didn't see your "i'm being a troll" post above.
xp to myself, i guess.
i feel like everyone just anointed "runaway" after the vmas but it's really one of the least exciting songs on the CD
w/ "power" i at least grasp the bigness of it, even if i don't think the song is really all that
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Friday, 10 December 2010 18:02 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, "Power" feels so much more like a single to me that "Runaway".
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 10 December 2010 18:06 (thirteen years ago) link
TIME
Top 10 Albums
* Kanye West, My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy* Arcade Fire, The Suburbs* LCD Soundsystem, This Is Happening* The National, High Violet* Drake, Thank Me Later* Sufjan Stevens, Age of Adz* The Black Keys, Brothers* Yeasayer, Odd Blood* Big Boi, Sir Lucious Left Foot: The Son of Chico Dusty* Beach House, Teen Dream
― Mitchell Stirling, Friday, 10 December 2010 18:11 (thirteen years ago) link
a bold stance
― in my world of young puppies (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 10 December 2010 18:14 (thirteen years ago) link
I can see why people would be going apeshit for Beach House but really this is not my bag at all.
Basically I would play this if I wanted to psych myself up into a stabbing fury, only I would then run out and stab Beach House.
― BO (DJP), Friday, 10 December 2010 18:14 (thirteen years ago) link
not going near Sufjan because lol Sufjan, my opinion on him is very clear and unlikely to change unless someone replaces him with, like, Fluke
― BO (DJP), Friday, 10 December 2010 18:15 (thirteen years ago) link
why do the kings of leon make these lists.
these lists need more Drums.
― Let me explore your musky garden. (chrisv2010), Friday, 10 December 2010 18:19 (thirteen years ago) link
wow I hate The Black Keys a lot, too
I thought I sort of liked them...? Or am I thinking of The Black Kids?
oh no, I just played the wrong song, "Tighten Up" is the one I sort of like
― BO (DJP), Friday, 10 December 2010 18:20 (thirteen years ago) link
i agree, but why did you capitalize drums? (xpost)
― some dude, Friday, 10 December 2010 18:21 (thirteen years ago) link
those Black bands all look alike to you, huh
okay I feel compelled to adore Yeasayer just for this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QO1y1wJduCo
xp: and THAT's how we alley-oop *high-five*
― BO (DJP), Friday, 10 December 2010 18:23 (thirteen years ago) link
as a long time black keys fan, this album is meh for me. i guess i only like thickfreakness and the big come up.
and i agree with Dan on the Deerhunter....don't get it.
― Let me explore your musky garden. (chrisv2010), Friday, 10 December 2010 18:24 (thirteen years ago) link
top 20 tracks list, courtesy of a lolindie friend of mine --
20. Crystal Castles - I Am Made of Chalk19. Drake - Karaoke18. Deerhunter - Desire Lines17. Sleigh Bells - Rill Rill16. Ruby Suns - Closet Astrologer15. Future Islands - In the Fall14. Justin Beiber - U Smile (800% slower)13. Cee-lo Green - No One's Gonna Love You12. The Cults - Go Outside11. Toro y Moi - Blessa10. Best Coast - When I'm With You9. Wavves - Linus Spacehead8. Broken Bells - High Road7. Atlas Sound - Mona Lisa6. Surfer Blood - Swim5. Small Black - Search Party4. Crystal Castles - Empathy3. JJ - My Life2. Beach House - Silver Soul1. Deerhunter - Helicopter
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Friday, 10 December 2010 18:42 (thirteen years ago) link
It's markers list?
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Friday, 10 December 2010 18:44 (thirteen years ago) link
14. Justin Beiber - U Smile (800% slower)
OUT
― BO (DJP), Friday, 10 December 2010 18:47 (thirteen years ago) link
BeiberBeiberBeiberBeiberBeiberBeiberBeiberBeiberBeiberBeiberBeiber
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Friday, 10 December 2010 18:48 (thirteen years ago) link
― in my world of young puppies (Whiney G. Weingarten)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3WDCHF1vDE
― omar little, Friday, 10 December 2010 18:49 (thirteen years ago) link
bieber > wavves
― prolego, Friday, 10 December 2010 18:50 (thirteen years ago) link
the original "u smile" > most everything on that list
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Friday, 10 December 2010 18:52 (thirteen years ago) link
I definitely would have had Voice Of The Seven Thunders in my end of year lists had I heard it at the time. Starting the depressing business of finding out what else I've missed today.
― Carl Jung Jeezy (Doran), Saturday, 11 December 2010 12:33 (thirteen years ago) link
Doran, Voice of the Seven Thunders is my number 1 for the year. Amazing record, and having months and months with it only makes it better.
― EZ Snappin, Saturday, 11 December 2010 12:44 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, someone played it to me at ATP and sheared the top of my head off.
― Carl Jung Jeezy (Doran), Saturday, 11 December 2010 12:50 (thirteen years ago) link
Hmmm, checking out "The Burning Mountain" and immediately liking the middle eastern flavored electric guitar.
― bourgeoistech bourgeoisthèque (_Rudipherous_), Saturday, 11 December 2010 12:54 (thirteen years ago) link
try "Kommune"
― EZ Snappin, Saturday, 11 December 2010 12:55 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm going to try the whole album. That song was the only one on their myspace.
― bourgeoistech bourgeoisthèque (_Rudipherous_), Saturday, 11 December 2010 13:08 (thirteen years ago) link
It's all on youtube.
― EZ Snappin, Saturday, 11 December 2010 13:09 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.philadelphiaweekly.com/music/What-Your-Favorite-Albums-Say-About-You.html
Kinda stupid but whatever.
― President Keyes, Saturday, 11 December 2010 15:04 (thirteen years ago) link
Very stupid.
― bourgeoistech bourgeoisthèque (_Rudipherous_), Saturday, 11 December 2010 15:09 (thirteen years ago) link
i laughed. well, maybe not LAUGHED...
― scott seward, Saturday, 11 December 2010 15:40 (thirteen years ago) link
do you miss the philadelphia weekly, rockist?
what's joey sweeney up to?
i still kinda can't get over robert downey jr. playing my old pal steve lopez in a movie. too bad i will never ever watch that movie. but i have lots of love for steve.
― scott seward, Saturday, 11 December 2010 15:42 (thirteen years ago) link
No. Don't tell me you do.
I miss having a CVS on every corner though.
― bourgeoistech bourgeoisthèque (_Rudipherous_), Saturday, 11 December 2010 15:44 (thirteen years ago) link
i miss wawa.
― scott seward, Saturday, 11 December 2010 15:46 (thirteen years ago) link
oh, and my friends.
― scott seward, Saturday, 11 December 2010 15:47 (thirteen years ago) link
i haven't been back since i moved. so that's like...almost 8 years? my whole life was there. it wasn't much of a life, but it was there.
― scott seward, Saturday, 11 December 2010 15:49 (thirteen years ago) link
there was some other piece exactly like that this year that was actually kind of otm iirc?
― mercy mercy me, that beanfield milagro (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 11 December 2010 15:49 (thirteen years ago) link
if i were 20 that whole thing would be otm. which is why i still find it kinda funny. cuz a part of me will always be 20. the dumb part.
― scott seward, Saturday, 11 December 2010 15:50 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't really miss Wawa or The Welcomat. (Is there even still a Welcomat?)
Anyway, I can see how a piece like that might be potentially funny, if it had punchlines. Thing is, I did not realize Hold Steady (hey, there's a band conspicuously missing from all the year-end lists, right? deservedly, but still) were considered a frat-house band. Is that really what their audience is now? When did that happen? Or did that guy just make that up? I assumed their audience was still mostly considered "rock critics."
Pretty sure Xgau said the Roots album is his favorite of the year, fwiw. And he's not even from Philly!
― xhuxk, Saturday, 11 December 2010 18:26 (thirteen years ago) link
i think welcomat got changed to the weekly.
― scott seward, Saturday, 11 December 2010 18:34 (thirteen years ago) link
i don't really miss philly that much. i did consider it my home though. i moved there when i was 19 and when i left i was in my 30s and married with a kid. i mostly just remember working a lot and drinking too much. and i left before i could hang out with any philly ilx people. but most of them left too!
― scott seward, Saturday, 11 December 2010 18:40 (thirteen years ago) link
greenfield will be my final resting place. i love it here so much. and you can all come and visit me. my door is always open. except when i'm closed. well, most of you can come visit me...
http://halecustomsigns.com/images/158_large.jpg
― scott seward, Saturday, 11 December 2010 18:42 (thirteen years ago) link
oh but anyway i always forget that interpol are still around. who listens to them? are they big in japan?
M.I.A. gone M.I.A.?
― Saytin Saytin Saytin (Ioannis), Saturday, 11 December 2010 18:44 (thirteen years ago) link
i just tried to listen to new interpol on youtube. didn't last long. what happened to that guy's voice?
― scott seward, Saturday, 11 December 2010 18:46 (thirteen years ago) link
btw, grapevine sez xhuxk's voting Kanye no. one p&j-wise.
― Saytin Saytin Saytin (Ioannis), Saturday, 11 December 2010 19:12 (thirteen years ago) link
As long as this thread is derailed, I'm still not sure where you are scott. Where is Greenfield? There seems to be more than one.
― bourgeoistech bourgeoisthèque (_Rudipherous_), Saturday, 11 December 2010 19:16 (thirteen years ago) link
greenfield is in massachusetts. western mass. near northampton and amherst. and near vermont. and near new hampshire.
― scott seward, Saturday, 11 December 2010 19:37 (thirteen years ago) link
i actually have chuck's top five albums for the pazz & jop this year. i know he's gonna kill me, but they are so good and nobody has really talked about them here. i hope he doesn't get too mad:
1. Johnny Truck & The Motormouths – Hardly Workin’ (Countryfried Records)2. Louella Hudsucker – Kountry Kweenz & Stone-washed Jeanz (Doowrong Records)3. Pud Wilkinson & The Homewreckers – Same Shit, Different day (CD Baby)4. Los Perros Sucios – Lio Partido Loco (Idiota Hijo Records)5. The Shipyard Scene: Forgotten Pub Rock Relics From The Vuosaari Harbor Region Of East Helsinki 1972-1974 (Stone Drag Reissue)
― scott seward, Saturday, 11 December 2010 19:41 (thirteen years ago) link
Man, WikiLeaks wrecks everything!
Thing you gotta understand about Kanye, though, is it's a concept album. By which I mean it directly references both "21st Century Schizoid Man" and "Iron Man", two songs that at least one person older than me told me he actually used to confuse back in 1971. How did Kanye know??
Seriously though my real Pazz & Jop #1 was listed on that list-of-everybody's-#1s link from Awl, and I will be really sad if I turn out to be the only voter who gives it 30 points (unless I only give it 25, I'm starting to waver a little.)
― xhuxk, Saturday, 11 December 2010 19:47 (thirteen years ago) link
The Shipyard Scene: Forgotten Pub Rock Relics From The Vuosaari Harbor Region Of East Helsinki 1972-1974 (Stone Drag Reissue)
But okay, I totally want this one now.
― xhuxk, Saturday, 11 December 2010 19:48 (thirteen years ago) link
wuz gonna say - no Seeger, no thang.
― You're Twistin' My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy Man! (Ioannis), Saturday, 11 December 2010 19:52 (thirteen years ago) link
and I will be really sad if I turn out to be the only voter who gives it 30 points
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Saturday, 11 December 2010 19:59 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm voting for it. thanks for reminding me.
― scott seward, Saturday, 11 December 2010 20:00 (thirteen years ago) link
Why would you expect P&J voters to vote for bob seger as #1 album in 2010?
Good taste, maybe? (Okay, maybe too much to ask.)
― xhuxk, Saturday, 11 December 2010 20:04 (thirteen years ago) link
haha it is the P&J!
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Saturday, 11 December 2010 20:06 (thirteen years ago) link
I suppose it would make a change from indie landfill or the big mainstream pop/rock. Everyone vote bob seger as #1 in a protest vote!
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Saturday, 11 December 2010 20:07 (thirteen years ago) link
If Chris Bohn's opening on-air remarks on Resonant FM the other night are anything to go by, then The Wire's Rewind 2010 #1 is ACTRESS - Splazsh! Big ups all around IMHO...
― Don't Make Me A Burrito (Craig D.), Saturday, 11 December 2010 22:10 (thirteen years ago) link
Here's a fun list - our own Phil (Unperson)'s best 40 and worst 10 metal:
http://social.entertainment.msn.com/music/blogs/headbang-blog.aspx
― Fastnbulbous, Sunday, 12 December 2010 01:47 (thirteen years ago) link
kinda want to hear that ov hell album now.
― scott seward, Sunday, 12 December 2010 02:34 (thirteen years ago) link
and hating on van canto is too easy. they are...something. i mean, they DO have some sort of vision. there are records that are spectacularly bad. but they're a spectacle as music group.
― scott seward, Sunday, 12 December 2010 02:38 (thirteen years ago) link
i like the best list though! superior album covers too. i want to hear a bunch on there. phil might be crazy, but he's got some good picks on there for a pantera fan.
― scott seward, Sunday, 12 December 2010 02:42 (thirteen years ago) link
That Ov Hell album isn't really awful, just plain boring. Its like black metal by numbers.
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Sunday, 12 December 2010 02:54 (thirteen years ago) link
Classic Rock EOY 2010 - top 50 albums
50. Buckcherry - All Night Long49. Spirits Of The Dead - s/t48. Brijitte West & the Desperate Hopefuls - s/t47. JP, Chrissie & the Fairground Boys - Fidelity!46. Grinderman - Grinderman 245. Elton John & Leonard Russel - The Union44. Deftones - Diamond Eyes43. Eric Clapton - s/t42. Meat Loaf - Hang Cool Teadybear41. Ronnie Wood - I Feel Like Playing40. Imelda May - Mayhem39. Steven Dale Petit - The Crave38. Voodoo Six - Fluke?37. Halford - Halford IV : Made of Metal36. Tinyfish - The Big Red Spark35. Siant Jude - Diary of a Soul Fiend34. Night Horse - Perdition Hymns33. Down - Diary of a Mad Band32. Joe Bonamassa - Black Rock31. Steeple - Wolf People30. Black Label Society - Order of the Black29. The Hold Steady - Heaven is Whenever28. Foxy Shazam - s/t27. Paul Weller - Wake up the Nation26. Heart - Red Velvet Car25. Scorpions - Sting in the Tale24. FM - Metropolis23. Mastermind - Monster Magnet22. Audrey Horne - s/t21. Unruly Child - World's Collide20. Ratt - Infestation19. Anathema - We're Here...18. Manic Street Preachers - Postcards From A Young Man17. Airbourne - No Guts, No Glory16. Neil Young - Le Noise15. Accept - Blood of the Nations14. Drive-By Truckers - The Big To-Do13. Altar Bridge - ABIII12. Cathedral - The Guessing Game11. Ozzy Osborne - Scream10. Killing Joke - Absolute Dissent9. The Gaslight Anthem - American Slang8. Jim Jones Revue - Burning your House Down7. Iron Maiden - The Final Frontier6. The Black Keys - Brothers5. The Union - s/t4. Robert Plant - Band of Joy3. Black Country Communion - Black Country2. Them Crooked Vultures - s/t1. Slash - s/t
― Mitchell Stirling, Sunday, 12 December 2010 13:12 (thirteen years ago) link
Slash? freakin' Slash? is this 1993 or what?
― You're Twistin' My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy Man! (Ioannis), Sunday, 12 December 2010 13:31 (thirteen years ago) link
^has never read Classic Rock magazine
― Princess BigSam (DJ Mencap), Sunday, 12 December 2010 14:23 (thirteen years ago) link
nice to see a list with the Chrissie Hynde record on it, it's got some killer tunes. also appreciate learning that Meat oaf released an album called "Hang Cool Teddy Bear" this year apparently.
― some dude, Sunday, 12 December 2010 16:10 (thirteen years ago) link
lmfao @ "Meat oaf"
― da puppier (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 12 December 2010 16:10 (thirteen years ago) link
haha Meat oaf (xpost)
― some dude, Sunday, 12 December 2010 16:13 (thirteen years ago) link
ha! great unintentional -- but accurate -- description.
― Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 12 December 2010 16:25 (thirteen years ago) link
haw, no i haven't. and apparently it's where the ROCK '70s/'80s went to die--sure seems to be gettin' mighty ripe around about there, too.
― You're Twistin' My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy Man! (Ioannis), Sunday, 12 December 2010 17:32 (thirteen years ago) link
lol the one album in there I have been loudly stanning for since late summer ('Steeple' by Wolf People) they get the band and title backwards :(
― Princess BigSam (DJ Mencap), Sunday, 12 December 2010 18:55 (thirteen years ago) link
These are both good (in fact, Ratt's album has shown up on a couple other lists I've seen, incuding Phil's metal one):
26. Heart - Red Velvet Car20. Ratt - Infestation
But the FM who made Metropolis (#24) unfortunately turn out to not to be the same keyboard-heavy Canadian guitarless AOR/pomp power-trio who put out City Of Fear in 1980, but rather some British people.
― xhuxk, Sunday, 12 December 2010 19:26 (thirteen years ago) link
this is actually my fave album by FM, but its kinda hard to find.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_AJcpmbP_Sow/RhzwJFxegzI/AAAAAAAAAAk/RFf_SXUTsDA/s320/FM2.jpg
― scott seward, Sunday, 12 December 2010 19:28 (thirteen years ago) link
the old FM.
Good old Classic Rock. You always know where you are with a Classic Rock list.
― Matt DC, Sunday, 12 December 2010 22:44 (thirteen years ago) link
1970?
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Sunday, 12 December 2010 22:45 (thirteen years ago) link
8. Jim Jones Revue - Burning your House Down
Good to see this turn up somewhere, it's a blast and massively underrated, if a bit hammy in places.
― Matt DC, Sunday, 12 December 2010 22:49 (thirteen years ago) link
It's not quite up there with Classic Rock's list from 2008:
10. Motley Crue - Saints Of Los Angeles9. Journey - Revelation8. Big Linda - I Loved You7. Whitesnake - Good To Be Bad6. Def Leppard - Songs From The Sparkle Lounge5. Airbourne - Runnin' Wild4. Black Stone Cherry - Folklore & Superstition3. Guns N' Roses - Chinese Democracy2. Metallica - Death Magnetic1. AC/DC - Black Ice
^^^ Does exactly what is says on the tin.
― Matt DC, Sunday, 12 December 2010 22:52 (thirteen years ago) link
Whitesnake!!!!
― seandalai, Sunday, 12 December 2010 22:56 (thirteen years ago) link
Honestly willing to believe that Classic Rock list is better than most of the lists we've seen on this thread.
― Matt DC, Sunday, 12 December 2010 23:02 (thirteen years ago) link
As long as you need ever hear any of the albums?
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Sunday, 12 December 2010 23:03 (thirteen years ago) link
One of my favorite's of the year is on that Classic Rock list. In fact, the album I'm voting #1 in the metal poll is on it.
― EZ Snappin, Sunday, 12 December 2010 23:04 (thirteen years ago) link
i like that the classic rock list doesnt feel the need to incorporate albums outside its milieu just because theyre critically acclaimed. no kanye, no arcade fire, no bullshit
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Sunday, 12 December 2010 23:07 (thirteen years ago) link
lol that Hold Steady fits perfectly in that list. Wonder why the Walkmen and the National arent jockeying for posish too
― da puppier (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 12 December 2010 23:10 (thirteen years ago) link
I've written for Classic Rock for about seven years (I'm mainly their go to guy for "mad stuff" like The Fall) and if I voted for albums outside its milieu (say Fabric55 by Shackleton for the LOLs) they would probably consider it a sacking offence. Quite right too.
― Carl Jung Jeezy (Doran), Sunday, 12 December 2010 23:31 (thirteen years ago) link
Xhuxk OTM about the Heart album!!!!! It soundtracked my 1,000 trips to the storage unit during our move this summer, and the 999 trips back.
― T Bone Streep (Cave17Matt), Monday, 13 December 2010 05:25 (thirteen years ago) link
Soon going to have to do a list of my top 101 albums of the year, many of which are unsurprisingly not here. LOL do people still read blogs?
― T Bone Streep (Cave17Matt), Monday, 13 December 2010 05:26 (thirteen years ago) link
If viacom hadn't removed all The State's MTV skits from youtube, the "Slash" sketch would have been a nice video right about here.
― billstevejim, Monday, 13 December 2010 05:50 (thirteen years ago) link
All of these lists are so good. Can't wait to see more.
― billstevejim, Monday, 13 December 2010 05:51 (thirteen years ago) link
Would read again.
― billstevejim, Monday, 13 December 2010 06:05 (thirteen years ago) link
Pitchfork Top 100 Tracks of 2010numbers 100-51:
100. These New Puritans - "We Want War"99. Gayngs - "The Gaudy Side of Town"98. Male Bonding - "Year's Not Long"97. Ramadanman - "Don't Change for Me"96. Diplomats - "Salute"95. Ty Segall - "Girlfriend"94. Kelis - "Acapella"93. Freddie Gibbs - "National Anthem (Fuck the World)"92. Matthew Dear - "You Put a Smell on Me"91. Liars - "Scarecrows on a Killer Slant"90. Abe Vigoda - "Crush"89. Usher [ft. Nicki Minaj] - "Lil Freak"88. DOM - "Burn Bridges"87. Perfume Genius - "Mr. Peterson"86. Glasser - "Apply"85. Wavves - "Post Acid"84. Gil Scott-Heron - "New York Is Killing Me"83. Surfer Blood - "Floating Vibes"82. Spoon - "Written in Reverse"81. Forest Swords - "Rattling Cage"80. The Radio Dept. - "Heaven's on Fire"79. Delorean - "Real Love"78. Die Antwoord - "Enter the Ninja"77. Rihanna [ft. Drake] - "What's My Name?"76. Here We Go Magic - "Collector"75. Toro Y Moi - "Blessa"74. Sade - "Soldier of Love"73. Wild Nothing - "Chinatown"72. No Age - "Glitter"71. Salem - "King Night"70. NDF - "Since We Last Met"69. Woods - "Suffering Season"68. Kingdom [ft. Shyvonne] - "Mind Reader"67. Drake - "Over"66. The National - "Bloodbuzz Ohio"65. Dum Dum Girls - "Jail La La"64. Alicia Keys - "Un-Thinkable (I'm Ready)"63. Broken Social Scene - "World Sick"62. Ted Leo and the Pharmacists - "Bottled in Cork"61. Tyler the Creator [ft. Hodgy Beats] - "French"60. Panda Bear - "Slow Motion"59. Twin Sister - "All Around and Away We Go"58. Oneohtrix Point Never [ft. Antony] - "Returnal"57. The Fresh & Onlys - "Waterfall"56. Joker - "Tron"55. Lady Gaga [ft. Beyoncé] - "Telephone"54. Vampire Weekend - "White Sky"53. Kendal Johansson - "Blue Moon"52. Lindstrøm & Christabelle - "Lovesick"51. Smith Westerns - "Weekend"
― Dan S, Monday, 13 December 2010 07:46 (thirteen years ago) link
60. Panda Bear - "Slow Motion"
is that a juvenile cover
― markers, Monday, 13 December 2010 07:50 (thirteen years ago) link
― markers, Monday, December 13, 2010 12:50 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark
IF only.
― rihanna refurbished my dick (rennavate), Monday, 13 December 2010 09:45 (thirteen years ago) link
that's actually one juvenile song that's woozy & druggy &... slow enough where it wouldn't sound retarded & gimmicky if panda covered it
― ad hom alone (J0rdan S.), Monday, 13 December 2010 09:58 (thirteen years ago) link
when is the panda album coming out anyway
― ad hom alone (J0rdan S.), Monday, 13 December 2010 09:59 (thirteen years ago) link
soderburg wtf
― o let's not do it and say we did (The Reverend), Monday, 13 December 2010 10:22 (thirteen years ago) link
??
― ad hom alone (J0rdan S.), Monday, 13 December 2010 10:26 (thirteen years ago) link
"over" blurb
― o let's not do it and say we did (The Reverend), Monday, 13 December 2010 10:26 (thirteen years ago) link
he calls drake the "king of hashtag rappers" and means it as a compliment
― o let's not do it and say we did (The Reverend), Monday, 13 December 2010 10:27 (thirteen years ago) link
oh, well to be fair he did say that diggy simmons sounded better on the beat
― ad hom alone (J0rdan S.), Monday, 13 December 2010 10:27 (thirteen years ago) link
i like the ramadanman track but so far nothing else i haven't heard already that sounds interesting to me
― o let's not do it and say we did (The Reverend), Monday, 13 December 2010 10:31 (thirteen years ago) link
it's weird tho -- i liked the beat at first, though now i find it pretty repulsive, but in any event it doesn't strike me as the type of beat like "miss me" or something where you can just totally vibe to the thing while ignoring the rapping -- it seems more, purposefully, like a backdrop beat that's really meant to emphasize the lyrics
― ad hom alone (J0rdan S.), Monday, 13 December 2010 10:31 (thirteen years ago) link
talking about "over" obv
damn, i always forget how good that alicia joint is
― o let's not do it and say we did (The Reverend), Monday, 13 December 2010 10:32 (thirteen years ago) link
"over" beat is dope in a heatmade in '04 kinda way but that just makes me wish i could hear some roc dudes in their prime spit gully shit on it
― o let's not do it and say we did (The Reverend), Monday, 13 December 2010 10:33 (thirteen years ago) link
also i thought his point about t-pain was bizarre & didn't really make sense in the context of what he said about drake? like, i guess the idea of rap/r&b being "slash & burn" or w/e was sorta right, but it seems off to me to say that drake has avoided the fate of being cast off due to self-parody because he put out a "cogent" debut album by using the example of t-pain, who was actually a really coherent album artist
also i fail to see the connection b/w putting out a "cogent" album & not randomly losing favor w/in the industry & public
― ad hom alone (J0rdan S.), Monday, 13 December 2010 10:37 (thirteen years ago) link
the alicia joint is def very good -- would actually like to see drake put more time into writing r&b for other artists
― ad hom alone (J0rdan S.), Monday, 13 December 2010 10:39 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah otm. also t-pain was never really taken as a rapper like drake usually is, just as a dude who raps sometimes like lil jon or pharrell or something xp
― o let's not do it and say we did (The Reverend), Monday, 13 December 2010 10:40 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, the example of lil wayne wouldn't fit for brandon's thesis because wayne hasn't fallen off, but he's clearly the direct lineage for drake's sing/rap thing, and more importantly, being ubiquitous all over other ppl's singles in both fashions
as for singles, t-pain raps on "kiss kiss" & "shawty get loose" but most of his rapping was on like random remixes that only nerds heard
― ad hom alone (J0rdan S.), Monday, 13 December 2010 10:47 (thirteen years ago) link
i guess there are a few others that he raps on ("go girl" etc) but i think he's still classified more like ne-yo, the-dream or akon than wayne or kanye
― ad hom alone (J0rdan S.), Monday, 13 December 2010 10:48 (thirteen years ago) link
They did this last year but Vice's albums of the year chart is usually as funny as their tips of the year spoof.
― Carl Jung Jeezy (Doran), Monday, 13 December 2010 14:35 (thirteen years ago) link
Would be funnier if it were more accurate I think. Also they've actually reused, almost word for word, some of the jokes from last year.
― Matt DC, Monday, 13 December 2010 15:06 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.viceland.com/music/2009/12/the-vice-albums-of-the-year/
They've re-used word for word more than just the jokes afaict. But that is the joke right?
― O Permaban (NickB), Monday, 13 December 2010 15:11 (thirteen years ago) link
100. These New Puritans - "We Want War"94. Kelis - "Acapella"91. Liars - "Scarecrows on a Killer Slant"74. Sade - "Soldier of Love"64. Alicia Keys - "Un-Thinkable (I'm Ready)"58. Oneohtrix Point Never [ft. Antony] - "Returnal"52. Lindstrøm & Christabelle - "Lovesick"
happy to see all these on the pfork list
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Monday, 13 December 2010 15:17 (thirteen years ago) link
I think that's partly the joke. They reused their tips one word for word.
― Carl Jung Jeezy (Doran), Monday, 13 December 2010 15:28 (thirteen years ago) link
Funny
9. A rapper moving hip-hop into ‘uncharted territories’. i.e.: Has the same neon cyberdog aesthetic as a Joel Schumacher Batman film.
― The baby boomers have defined everything once and for all (Dorianlynskey), Monday, 13 December 2010 16:00 (thirteen years ago) link
x-post to
― T Bone Streep (Cave17Matt)
You'll have to put it on a tumblr or tweet it, like all the cool kidzzzz
― curmudgeon, Monday, 13 December 2010 17:29 (thirteen years ago) link
the "over" writeup is shameless & embarassing but so is everything they've ever written about drake. this list is pretty hot so far, though. i always appreciate their eoy trax lists most in years when i wasn't really paying attention to p4k goings on during the year
― flopson, Monday, 13 December 2010 17:51 (thirteen years ago) link
Pop Matters albums
70. Massive Attack - Heligoland69. Robyn - Body Talk, Pt. 168. Vijay Iyer - Solo67. Oneohtrix Point Never - Returnal66. Cee-Lo Green - The Lady Killer65. The Radio Dept. - Clinging to a Scheme64. The Nels Cline Singers - Initiate63. Agalloch - Marrow of the Spirits62. Roky Erickson with Okkervil River - True Love Cast Out All Evil61. Bilal - Airtight’s Revenge60. The Walkmen - Lisbon59. Underworld - Barking58. Emeralds - Does It Look Like I’m Here?57. Los Campesinos! - Romance Is Boring56. Women - Public Strain55. Jónsi - Go54. MGMT - Congratulations53. Belle and Sebastian - Belle and Sebastian Write About Love52. Robert Plant - Band of Joy51. Crystal Castles - Crystal Castles50. School of Seven Bells - Disconnect from Desire49. Owen Pallett - Heartland48. Superchunk - Majesty Shredding47. Yeasayer - Odd Blood46. Josh Ritter - So Runs the World Away45. Swans - My Father Will Guide Me Up a Rope to the Sky44. Erykah Badu - New Amerykah, Part Two: Return of the Ankh43. Autechre - Oversteps42. Midlake - The Courage of Others41. Christian Scott - Yesterday You Said Tomorrow40. Vampire Weekend - Contra39. Justin Townes Earle - Harlem River Blues38. Patty Griffin - Downtown Church37. Twin Shadow - Forget36. The Tallest Man on Earth - The Wild Hunt35. Ryan Bingham & the Dead Horses - Junky Star34. Drive-By Truckers - The Big To-Do33. The New Pornographers - Together32. The Roots - How I Got Over31. Neil Young - Le Noise30. Sharon Jones & the Dap-Kings - I Learned the Hard Way29. John Grant - Queen of Denmark28. Surfer Blood - Astro Coast27. Caribou - Swim26. Jamey Johnson - The Guitar Song25. Spoon - Transference24. Grinderman - Grinderman 223. Konono No. 1 - Assume Crash Position22. Gorillaz - Plastic Beach21. Four Tet - There Is Love in You20. Das Racist - Sit Down, Man19. Sufjan Stevens - The Age of Adz18. Best Coast - Crazy for You17. The Black Keys - Brothers16. Mavis Staples - You Are Not Alone15. Ariel Pink’s Haunted Graffiti - Before Today14. Galactic - Ya-Ka-May13. Joanna Newsom - Have One on Me12. Deerhunter - Halcyon Digest11. Sleigh Bells - Treats10. Big Boi - Sir Lucious Left Foot: The Son of Chico Dusty9. Gogol Bordello - Trans-Continental Hustle8. Titus Andronicus - The Monitor7. Beach House - Teen Dream6. LCD Soundsystem - This Is Happening5. Arcade Fire - The Suburbs4. Kanye West - My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy3. Flying Lotus - Cosmogramma2. The National - High Violet1. Janelle Monáe - The ArchAndroid
― Dan S, Monday, 13 December 2010 18:03 (thirteen years ago) link
:0
― billstevejim, Monday, 13 December 2010 18:16 (thirteen years ago) link
That's a decent list if you ignore most of the top 10.
― seandalai, Monday, 13 December 2010 18:17 (thirteen years ago) link
First list to feature Autechre if Ctrl+F is to be believed.
― seandalai, Monday, 13 December 2010 18:18 (thirteen years ago) link
pop matters, just not as much as indie rock
― flopson, Monday, 13 December 2010 18:20 (thirteen years ago) link
oops bad joke
*blush*
popmatters: they are shuffling other mag's lists arcade fire lcd soundsystem the national are boring blah blah blah anyways, here are two interesting lists from dustedmagazine as in ie. I have no idea who most of those artists are:
http://dustedmagazine.com/features/936http://dustedmagazine.com/features/941
― laser precise purpose maker era, Monday, 13 December 2010 18:24 (thirteen years ago) link
5. Arcade Fire - The Suburbs4. Kanye West - My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy
an improvement; at least they're shifted down a few places?
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Monday, 13 December 2010 18:27 (thirteen years ago) link
pop matters, just not as much as indie rock― flopson, Monday, December 13, 2010 12:20 PM (6 minutes ago)oops bad joke*blush*― flopson, Monday, December 13, 2010 12:20 PM (6 minutes ago)
― flopson, Monday, December 13, 2010 12:20 PM (6 minutes ago)
i lol'd
I mean, the first guy has Thomas Koner, Kevin Drumm and Keith Fullerton Williams which are pretty cool so the other ones should be interesting. As for the second one, I can't fucking stand Joanna Newsom but she has plenty of never-heard-of japanese stuff that looks rad. Kinda like reading volcanictongue or The Wire EOY lists.
― laser precise purpose maker era, Monday, 13 December 2010 18:29 (thirteen years ago) link
21. Four Tet - There Is Love in You
this is about as high as four tet's been all year; a fucking shame, as it's his best album, and one of my top 5 or so of the year :(
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Monday, 13 December 2010 18:30 (thirteen years ago) link
btw, Brainwashed has begun the nominations process for its year-end readers poll; one of the better polls out there!
http://brainwashed.com/2010
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Monday, 13 December 2010 18:32 (thirteen years ago) link
This is a pretty funny thread though, with everyone bitching and bitching about how boring and similar these lists are, but when presented with one that really looks completely different from the rest (the Classic Rock), its all, "lol that is an awful list full of awful music". No pleasing you guys at all, is there? "Different" lists only count if they have the records you like?
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 04:24 (thirteen years ago) link
i was praising it for being different
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 04:25 (thirteen years ago) link
Ha, I posted that just before I noticed your comment.
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 04:27 (thirteen years ago) link
21. Four Tet - There Is Love in Youthis is about as high as four tet's been all year; a fucking shame, as it's his best album, and one of my top 5 or so of the year :(
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Monday, December 13, 2010 12:30 PM (10 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Same. Might not be as groundbreaking as many others, but it's one of the few that I never got tired of after months and months of replays.
― Indexed, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 04:34 (thirteen years ago) link
Pitchfork tracks 50-1
50. Cults - "Go Outside"49. ceo - "Come With Me"48. Best Coast - "When I'm With You" 47. Beach House - "Walk in the Park"46. The Knife [ft. Mt. Sims and Planningtorock] - "Colouring of Pigeons"45. Gorillaz - "On Melancholy Hill" - "hahahaha jk?"43. Waka Flocka Flame - "Hard in Da Paint"42. Japandroids - "Younger Us"41. Deerhunter - "Helicopter"40. Janelle Monáe - "Cold War"39. No Age - "Fever Dreaming"38. Hot Chip - "One Life Stand"37. Jay Electronica - "Exhibit C"36. Arcade Fire - "Ready to Start"35. Rihanna - "Rude Boy"34. Gold Panda - "You"33. Zola Jesus - "Night"32. Robyn - "Hang With Me"31. Girls - "Carolina"30. The-Dream - "Yamaha"29. James Blake - "CMYK"28. Yeasayer - "O.N.E"27. Four Tet - "Angel Echoes"26. Cee-Lo - "Fuck You"25. The Walkmen - "Angela Surf City"24. Teengirl Fantasy - "Cheaters"23. Vampire Weekend - "Giving Up the Gun"22. Rick Ross [ft. Styles P] - "B.M.F. (Blowin' Money Fast)"21. Azari & III - "Reckless (With Your Love) (Tensnake Remix)"20. Erykah Badu - "Window Seat"19. How to Dress Well - "Decisions (feat. Yüksel Arslan)"18. Titus Andronicus - "A More Perfect Union"17. Girl Unit - "Wut"16. Beach House - "Norway"15. Crystal Castles [ft. Robert Smith] - "Not in Love"14. Sleigh Bells - "Rill Rill"13. Caribou - "Odessa"12. LCD Soundsystem - "All I Want"11. Deerhunter - "Desire Lines"10. Janelle Monáe [ft. Big Boi] - "Tightrope"09. Arcade Fire - "Sprawl II (Mountains Beyond Mountains)"08. James Blake - "I Only Know (What I Know Now)"07. Joanna Newsom - "Good Intentions Paving Company"06. Kanye West [ft. Dwele] - "POWER"05. Big Boi [ft. Cutty] - "Shutterbugg"04. Robyn - "Dancing on My Own"03. LCD Soundsystem - "I Can Change"02. Kanye West [ft. Pusha T] - "Runaway"01. Ariel Pink's Haunted Graffiti - "Round and Round"
― Dan S, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 06:19 (thirteen years ago) link
glad to see Round and Round at #1
― Dan S, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 06:20 (thirteen years ago) link
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― markers, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 06:21 (thirteen years ago) link
Resident Advisor20 Compilations of 2010
20. Various Artists - The Minimal Wave19. Deadbeat - Radio Rothko18. Various Artists - Mandarinen Traume17. Surgeon - Fabric 5316. Tensnake - In The House15. Martyn - Fabric 5014. Apparat - DJ-Kicks13. Various Artists - Ninja Tune XX12. Shackleton - Fabric 5511. Scuba - Sub:Stance [Ostgut Ton]10. Thomas Hamann & Gerd Janson - Live at Robert Johnson09. Seth Troxler - Boogybytes Vol. 508. James Holden - DJ Kicks07. Various Artists - Fünf06. Anthony "Shake" Shakir - Frictionalism: 1994-200905. Optimo - Fabric 5204. Ewan Pearson - We Are Proud of Our Choices03. DBridge & Instra:Mental - Autonomic - FabricLive.5002. Michael Mayer - Immer 301. Ben Klock - Berghain 04
― Dan S, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 06:37 (thirteen years ago) link
random thoughts on pfork traxxx list:
don't get the big deal w/r/t "round and round" -- i mean it's okay, but.....?
worst song on the LCD album at #3 = looool
can't believe "fuck you" is stuck at #26, that is CRIMINAL
think "CMYK" is the better james blake track..
worst sleigh bells song at #14, there's a reason the album is awesome but none of the other songs sound like fucking "rill rill"
oh, and wasn't "exhibit c" from '09?
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 06:40 (thirteen years ago) link
p4k list has a lot right on it!
but i'm shocked about the placement of "i can change"
― ok (Tape Store), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 06:55 (thirteen years ago) link
and "rill rill" is beautiful (my no. 1 last year!)
― ok (Tape Store), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 06:57 (thirteen years ago) link
If this is true maybe I might actually give that album a chance.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 07:00 (thirteen years ago) link
I didn't think that SB album would stick with me as well as it has
re: I can change, do you think there's a better track on the album, Tape Store?
― Dan S, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 07:02 (thirteen years ago) link
i don't think i would label any song from that album a "standout," but at least I see how p4k could (stupidly) think "'All I Want' = our '"Heroes"'!!!
― ok (Tape Store), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 07:08 (thirteen years ago) link
that entire lcd album is boring
― billstevejim, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 07:11 (thirteen years ago) link
― ok (Tape Store), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 07:12 (thirteen years ago) link
concur
― Lightning Is For Babies (Johnny Fever), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 07:13 (thirteen years ago) link
IMO this is the best P4k EOY Track list in years. The last two or three had some real garbage, but this one seems pretty OTM for their audience and taste.
― Indexed, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 07:17 (thirteen years ago) link
it does seem like a lot of the choices are right, among the artists that they rep for
― Dan S, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 07:19 (thirteen years ago) link
Tainted by Newsom in the top 10...otherwise, it's decent.
― Lightning Is For Babies (Johnny Fever), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 07:21 (thirteen years ago) link
but if you were to pick any one track on that album to represent it, that would be it
― Dan S, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 07:23 (thirteen years ago) link
Yay for being otm for your audience and taste!
― ITV2: Jimlectric Beglinoo (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 08:26 (thirteen years ago) link
― billstevejim, Monday, December 13, 2010 11:11 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― ok (Tape Store), Monday, December 13, 2010 11:12 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― Lightning Is For Babies (Johnny Fever), Monday, December 13, 2010 11:13 PM Bookmarkuh huh
― o let's not do it and say we did (The Reverend), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 08:27 (thirteen years ago) link
21. Azari & III - "Reckless (With Your Love) (Tensnake Remix)"
this is one of the most overrated trax of the year imo - don't get me wrong i really, really like it, would bruk out in a club, it's a lot of fun - but if you're going to reward azari & iii or tensnake or that sort of music, there's a lot better out there, and it all just looks a bit like a really lame "lolz i recognise a c&c music factory sample lolz" reaction.
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 08:44 (thirteen years ago) link
obviously it's one of the best tracks in the p4k list but my eyes are just glazing over at most of it - i only criticise this cuz i like it
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 08:45 (thirteen years ago) link
also fuck james blake
where do i sign up?
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 14 December 2010 08:47 (thirteen years ago) link
really?! nah.
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 08:51 (thirteen years ago) link
gimme drop the lime/jackmaster/toddla t/jam city/joy orbison/egyptrixx any day
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 08:54 (thirteen years ago) link
we could probably start a whole separate poll....
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 14 December 2010 08:55 (thirteen years ago) link
Put some chix in it.
― Lightning Is For Babies (Johnny Fever), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 08:59 (thirteen years ago) link
plenty of hawt female producers in this ~scene~ too
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 09:05 (thirteen years ago) link
James Blake vocal album to dominate next year's lists? I'm pretty perplexed at the hype he's getting.
― Number None, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 09:08 (thirteen years ago) link
I can't be the only person that thought LCD were spudjged out at #12 and was surprised to see them reappear at #3. I don't mind 'I Can Change' but it does sound like it was written to be bedding music on a top 100 countdown. In fact I'll be prepared to bet it gets used in Channel 4's Top 100 Toys this weekend.
― Mitchell Stirling, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 09:11 (thirteen years ago) link
me too - i find his stuff pretty lifeless and awkward tbh. it's weird, i hear music by a ton of producers in this scene, and i actively dislike very very few - when it's bad it's just boring or uninspired - but i def dislike his stuff. and yet, here we are, crossover hype. it should be girl unit getting all of this tbh.
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 09:11 (thirteen years ago) link
Suppose he ticks a lot of boxes, dubstep influence, messing around with R&B samples but moving towards more traditional songcraft. Yep, he's gonna be inescapable.
― Number None, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 09:15 (thirteen years ago) link
― Lightning Is For Babies (Johnny Fever), Tuesday, December 14, 2010 7:21 AM (2 hours ago)
I definitely agree with this.
I was surprised it was I Can Change so high, I do like it but Dance Yrself Clean is obviously the best song on that album.
Pleased with their Arcade Fire choice in the top 10, I wasn't a fan of the album at all but that's a great song.
― Kitchen Person, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 10:26 (thirteen years ago) link
not a list per se, but i always enjoy reading dusted magazine's idiosyncratic year-end wrap-up feature.
― Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 14 December 2010 13:29 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, no matter what other lists do Dusted is guaranteed to be 90% stuff I never knew existed.
― seandalai, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 13:37 (thirteen years ago) link
So glad to see "Desire Lines" up that high. I realize it wasn't an official "single" and thats why it hasn't been popping up on lists that are defined by such, but such an amazing song.
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 14:02 (thirteen years ago) link
Dance Yrself Clean is obviously the best song on that album.
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 14:24 (thirteen years ago) link
― Kitchen Person, Tuesday, December 14, 2010 4:26 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Yes and Yes.
― Indexed, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 14:38 (thirteen years ago) link
Wait Ned, you've been avoiding Sleigh Bells because of "Rill Rill"??? Did no one tell you that there are 2/3 songs on there where they are channeling Lush via dance beats?
― "Kiss Players♥" (DJP), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 14:48 (thirteen years ago) link
I've heard a rumor to the effect. (Crucial difference between them and School of Seven Bells -- the latter did not have a really annoying song oversold to me as the greatest new thing around that put me off further investigation.)
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 14:53 (thirteen years ago) link
I have to agree with the general anti-"Rill Rill" sentiment. I like the song just fine and think it's a nice little respite on the album, but it seems weird that a publication such as Pitchfork would praise the band with great hyperbole for it's trademark sound and then pick the one song where they do the complete opposite sound as the best example of their musical talent. "Tell Em'" seems the obvious choice to me.
― Indexed, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 14:53 (thirteen years ago) link
I like "Rill Rill" well enough but that is so not my go-to song on the album; that would be "Run the Heart":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aA9LyxbA6GI
― "Kiss Players♥" (DJP), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 14:57 (thirteen years ago) link
when that beat comes in, everything in the world makes more sense
Sleigh Bells have appropriate initials imo.
― irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 14:58 (thirteen years ago) link
― Lightning Is For Babies (Johnny Fever), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 14:59 (thirteen years ago) link
Unless you mean "significantly badass"
― Lightning Is For Babies (Johnny Fever), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 15:00 (thirteen years ago) link
"Crown on the Ground" is fucking tight, too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3z8ppcFGPlY&feature=related
― "Kiss Players♥" (DJP), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 15:01 (thirteen years ago) link
Infinity Guitars was the one that finally hooked me, but I don't think it's one that falls neatly into the "Lush-in-the-red" category.
― Lightning Is For Babies (Johnny Fever), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 15:02 (thirteen years ago) link
Sleigh Bells' performance opening for LCD Soundsystem was one of the most awful things I've ever seen.
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 15:03 (thirteen years ago) link
i've only heard "tell 'em" by sleigh bells and i absolutely loathed it
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 15:04 (thirteen years ago) link
Rill Rill is like the only song on that album I DON'T like, I have no idea why everyone rallys round it
― skrrr boi (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 15:04 (thirteen years ago) link
That's definitely not a peanut butter and jelly show bill. More like peanut butter and dijonaise. xp
― Lightning Is For Babies (Johnny Fever), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 15:04 (thirteen years ago) link
"Crown on the Ground" was on P4k's list last year.
― Indexed, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 15:05 (thirteen years ago) link
u right
― Lightning Is For Babies (Johnny Fever), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 15:05 (thirteen years ago) link
definitely some good stuff in the pitchfork list aside from their continued obsession with the "deep" soul-searching LCD tracks. they are extremely good at picking the best tracks on indie rock albums (e.g. "Desire Lines") and then go for the most maudlin bullshit on every new Murphy CD.
― skip, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 15:05 (thirteen years ago) link
I wasn't making suggestions for what should be on the list, I was trying to get Ned to hear Sleigh Bells!
― "Kiss Players♥" (DJP), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 15:06 (thirteen years ago) link
why is "run the heart" produced to make the listener feel like they have tinnitus
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 15:06 (thirteen years ago) link
how can you claim to like club music and then ask questions like that
The whole album is like that.
It took me months not to hate it, and now I actually love it.
― Lightning Is For Babies (Johnny Fever), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 15:06 (thirteen years ago) link
Dan, since u r here, did you see this from the other day? Whatcha listening to 2010?
― Lightning Is For Babies (Johnny Fever), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 15:07 (thirteen years ago) link
i like club music that sounds pristine and totally polished!
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 15:07 (thirteen years ago) link
that constant high-pitched tinnitus thing in sleigh bells songs would be AWFUL in a club
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 15:08 (thirteen years ago) link
Half the bands I saw in clubs in the 90s played through horrible pa systems that sounded just like that.
― Lightning Is For Babies (Johnny Fever), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 15:09 (thirteen years ago) link
I did see that, just haven't gotten to it
Lex, that Sleigh Bells album is about bombastic musical extremes; you are essentially genetically predisposed to dislike it.
― "Kiss Players♥" (DJP), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 15:10 (thirteen years ago) link
omg that Niki & the Dove track, I am sold by the first 10 seconds
― "Kiss Players♥" (DJP), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 15:11 (thirteen years ago) link
maybe you actually have tinnitus, lex -- sleigh bells sounds totally pristine and polished to the rest of us
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 15:12 (thirteen years ago) link
omg that Niki & the Dove track, I am sold by the first 10 seconds― "Kiss Players♥" (DJP), Tuesday, December 14, 2010 10:11 AM
― "Kiss Players♥" (DJP), Tuesday, December 14, 2010 10:11 AM
I thought you might be.
― Lightning Is For Babies (Johnny Fever), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 15:17 (thirteen years ago) link
So "Run the Heart" is definitely better than "Rill Rill" but...it's not the end of the world?
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 15:27 (thirteen years ago) link
"Crown on the Ground" isn't really doing it for me either, then again that sounds like a pretty cruddy low kbps rip. (If it's meant to sound like that then I don't know what to think.)
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 15:30 (thirteen years ago) link
"why is "run the heart" produced to make the listener feel like they have tinnitus"
yeah, i hope none of the people who make this kind of stuff own dogs. that would just be cruel.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 15:32 (thirteen years ago) link
(If it's meant to sound like that then I don't know what to think.)
It's intentional.
― Lightning Is For Babies (Johnny Fever), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 15:33 (thirteen years ago) link
...yeah, then I think this album is not for me, then.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 15:34 (thirteen years ago) link
The Wire top 50
01 Actress - Splazsh02 Oneohtrix Point Never - Returnal03 Swans - My father will guide me up a rope to the sky04 Joanna Newsom - Have one on me05 Catherine Christer Hennix - The electric harpsichord06 Rangers - Suburban tours07 Ariel Pink's Haunted Graffiti - Before today08 John Tilbury & Sebastian Lexer - Last daylight09 Keith Fullerton Whitman - Disengenuity/Disengenuousness10 Kevin Drumm - Necro accoustic11 Sun City Girls - Funeral mariachi12 Annette Krebs & Taku Unami - Motobachii13 Sun Araw - On patrol14 Gonjasufi - A sufi and a killer15 Big Boi - Sir Lucious Left Foot16 Joe Colley - Disasters of self17 Richard Skelton - Landings18 Emeralds - Does it look like I'm here?19 Eleh - Location momentum20 Autechre - Oversteps21 Helena Gough - Mikroklimata22 Demdike Stare - Liberation through hearing23 Marina Rosenfeld - Plastic materials24 Bill Orcutt - Way down south25 Flying Lotus - Cosmogramma26 Bellows - Handcut27 Tilbury/Duch/Davies - Conrenius Cardew: Works 1960-197028 Hype Williams - s/t29 Laurie Anderson - Homeland30 Konono No 1 - Assume crash position31 Zs - New slaves32 Phew - Five finger discount33 Sabbathh Assembly - Restored to one34 Derek Bailey - More 7435 Seijaku - Mail from Fushitsua36 Tyler the Creator - Bastard37 Moon Wiring Club A spare tabby at the cat's wedding38 Larry Polansky - The world's largest melody39 Alasdair Galbraith - Mass40 Jailbreak - The Rocker41 oOoOO - oOoOO42 Pedestrian Deposit - East fork/North fork43 Group Inerane - Guitars from Agadaz vol 344 Prins Thomas - s/t45 These New Puritans - Hidden46 Aldo Clementi - Works with flutes47 Graham Lambkin & Jason Lescalleet - Air supply48 Joseph Hammer - I love you, please love me too49 Joshua Abrams - Natural information50 Grinderman 2
― Mitchell Stirling, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 15:34 (thirteen years ago) link
18 Emeralds - Does it look like I'm here?
This is one I've seen pop up in too many lists for me to not investigate it at the least. I guess I just like the name/title.
― Lightning Is For Babies (Johnny Fever), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 15:35 (thirteen years ago) link
i should have bought that kevin drumm box when i had the chance
― skrrr boi (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 15:36 (thirteen years ago) link
44 Prins Thomas - s/t
Kinda surprised to see this. I thought it was generally panned by reviewers.
― sofatruck, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 15:38 (thirteen years ago) link
Actress album pretty overrated. 'Always Human' does bang tho.
― modrić in paradise (blueski), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 15:38 (thirteen years ago) link
That Richard Skelton album is really beautiful, great to see it on that list.
― O Permaban (NickB), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 15:40 (thirteen years ago) link
15 Big Boi - Sir Lucious Left Foot
how is this a 'wire record'
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 15:41 (thirteen years ago) link
Who cares? It's a great album.
― "Kiss Players♥" (DJP), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 15:42 (thirteen years ago) link
how is a record full of totally bonkers, monstrously layered electronic textures a 'wire record'
― skrrr boi (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 15:44 (thirteen years ago) link
I always love the way you can read every issue of the Wire and still not recognise a bunch of the year-end top 50 (Phew? Pedestrian Deposit?). Big Boi seems the most unexpected move on that list, even Joanna Newsom kinda makes sense since they gave her a full-page review.
― seandalai, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 15:44 (thirteen years ago) link
Haven't seen Sabbath Assembly or Jailbreak on any other lists and I like both of 'em so that's something
― ITV2: Jimlectric Beglinoo (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 15:45 (thirteen years ago) link
I think 'a Wire record' is just anything they reviewed in 2010, and they have a rap section (and cover a bunch outside of that) so there you are
― ITV2: Jimlectric Beglinoo (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 15:47 (thirteen years ago) link
My fiancee LOVES "Rill Rill" and can't be bothered with anything else on the album.
― Zsa Zsa Gay Bar (jaymc), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 15:48 (thirteen years ago) link
i quite like Tell 'Em but nothing else (maybe Crown On The Ground)
― modrić in paradise (blueski), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 15:53 (thirteen years ago) link
― skrrr boi (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, December 14, 2010 9:44 AM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
how is this an accurate description of the big boi record?
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 15:53 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYtwBDZ8c_o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_1ivdW8Yj4
sounds 'out-there' enough to be a wire record but even so, wire's rap coverage has never really been about finding the weird and obscure, just what they find dope. hell, noz is their head rap writer.
also did big boi record a video for every song?
― irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 15:55 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, its a great album, but I wouldn't describe is as "bonkers" or "monstrously layered" at all.
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 15:55 (thirteen years ago) link
monstrously layered otm imo. in fact maybe sometimes it seems too busy?
i think it's an accurate description of an integral part of the big boi record, but feel free to have one of your petulant tantrums when someone appreciates a rap record for something besides the EXACT reason you like it
― skrrr boi (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 15:56 (thirteen years ago) link
it doesnt sound very 'out there' at all to me \oO/ shutterbugg is a banger but its hardly outside the median for rap records in terms of being 'next level' or w/e ... drumma boi has had weirder tracks this year. & 'general patton' might as well be a better-mastered jedi mind tricks beat
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 15:56 (thirteen years ago) link
― skrrr boi (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, December 14, 2010 9:56 AM (21 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
rmde
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 15:57 (thirteen years ago) link
the fucking e-40 record had more weird beats than the big boi
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 15:58 (thirteen years ago) link
lots of xps...
Obv the Wire does have a hip-hop column and it's probably the column that engages with the "mainstream" more than any other, but I didn't notice Big Boi break out of that area into any other areas of the magazine in the way that past Wire kind-of-hiphop favourites like Anti-Pop Consortium/Def Jux did.
― seandalai, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 15:58 (thirteen years ago) link
It's cool they liked the album, it was just a bit of a surprise is all.
"Why is the Wire talking about the lush, seismic electronic textures that are similar to the shit that's on Emeralds records when they're clearly missing discussing the debt Big Boi's flow owes to the bay area"
― skrrr boi (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 15:59 (thirteen years ago) link
ok i am sorry for not remembering every thing drumma boi made, just the one on the second biggest rap record of the year. also lol 'but it sounds like jedi mind tricks!' for so many reasons
― irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 15:59 (thirteen years ago) link
imo residual outkast love, which made up 50% of the record's praise in general crit circles, is what drove this so high, its a good record but hardly definitive of our era in rap, nor is it some kind of sonic harbringer of new sounds or in any kind of avant vanguard of any kind. its just some dope songs & some iffy songs & less chemistry than outkast ever had together
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:00 (thirteen years ago) link
― skrrr boi (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, December 14, 2010 9:59 AM (51 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
notice im ignoring your terrible zings
"definitive of our era in rap" would be... Drake
― "Kiss Players♥" (DJP), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:01 (thirteen years ago) link
big boi has "less chemistry" with... big boi?
i really dont care whether something is "definitive of our era". if its good, its good.
― irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:01 (thirteen years ago) link
xpopst NO DUDE THE JACKA
― skrrr boi (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:01 (thirteen years ago) link
"its a good record but hardly definitive of our era in rap"
Yeah, I LIKE it for this reason exactly
"notice im ignoring your terrible zings"
Doing a real bang-up job of ignoring me as usual
― skrrr boi (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:02 (thirteen years ago) link
― "Kiss Players♥" (DJP), Tuesday, December 14, 2010 10:01 AM (47 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
hes definitive of one aspect of it, yes
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:02 (thirteen years ago) link
otm
― skrrr boi (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, December 14, 2010 10:01 AM (40 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i never claimed he was. hey, im sbing you for trying to start another clusterfuck
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:03 (thirteen years ago) link
― skrrr boi (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, December 14, 2010 10:02 AM (20 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
& the big boi record is just ok
yes whiney and not deej is the reason this is becoming rmde
― irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:03 (thirteen years ago) link
well I think it is more than "just ok" OK? Jesus boy.
― irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:04 (thirteen years ago) link
am i just not allowed to disagree or make any points at all any more? im entirely not zinging, or being confrontational, just think its a silly choice for a wire list .... kind of wack imo
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:04 (thirteen years ago) link
whiney is the one bringing ad homs, zinging, & generally being a dick itt yes
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:05 (thirteen years ago) link
you are allowed to but recently you have been on some "my opinions are right and if you think different you are rong and dishonest and should die" type ish and its fucking annoying
― irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:06 (thirteen years ago) link
Guys, Wire isn't always about finding "sonic harbringer of new sounds" and avant vanguard. Notice Joanna Newsom at #4 on the list.
― sofatruck, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:06 (thirteen years ago) link
i dunno, i think Big Boi makes total sense. but then again, I'm A) Wire's target audience and B) in love with the Big Boi record, so i dunno
― skrrr boi (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:06 (thirteen years ago) link
― irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, December 14, 2010 10:06 AM (46 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
who am i telling to die?
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:07 (thirteen years ago) link
yall overreact every time i disagree with something, chill the fuck out
regardless of whether the big boi album is an avant-garde wonder or not - what does this have to do with whether the wire should hive it props? should the wire stick rigidly to an orthodoxy partially being imposed from outside? why shouldn't it reward whatever it feels like? not every publication does criticism-by-consensus-hivemind like p4k, for which i am v grateful
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:07 (thirteen years ago) link
*give it props
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:08 (thirteen years ago) link
well the ironic thing about that is that Big Boi has appeared on a ton of these lists
How do you break down "this is here by hivemind fiat" from "this is here because a bunch of people actually liked it"?
― "Kiss Players♥" (DJP), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:09 (thirteen years ago) link
lol i love that you don't disagree with my main point of thinking people who disagree with you as being rong and dishonest. the should die thing was hyperbole.
― irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:09 (thirteen years ago) link
because people like arguing with me xp
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:09 (thirteen years ago) link
http://i51.tinypic.com/123xe92.jpg
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:10 (thirteen years ago) link
i was referring to the NYT article which we discussed on some other thread which basically revealed how p4k's ratings etc are done more by consensus, and with an eye on the site's "brand", than purely individual opinion - afaik no other publication actually does that, because it is mental
xps to dan
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:10 (thirteen years ago) link
i think people who disagree with me are wrong, yes. thats the nature of it.i explained why i thought one example of lex's writing was dishonest in the kanye thread. reread that argument & we dont have to rehash it here
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:10 (thirteen years ago) link
xpost, uh, EVERY publication does that, just P4k does it more intensely
― skrrr boi (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:11 (thirteen years ago) link
no publication i've ever written for has done it!
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:12 (thirteen years ago) link
well every publication i've ever written for does it, so i don't know what to tell you
― skrrr boi (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:12 (thirteen years ago) link
xxxxxp again
Yep (to Lex). Lil B "Rain in England" getting a write-up in the main reviews section (not that they liked it) is the kind of pandering to a house aesthetic that the Wire does do (wow! mainstreamish hip-hop guy makes an album that will alienate mainstream hiphop fans!), ranking Big Boi is a refreshingly unexpected move.
― seandalai, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:13 (thirteen years ago) link
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Tuesday, December 14, 2010 10:10 AM (12 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:13 (thirteen years ago) link
rip everett true
― irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:14 (thirteen years ago) link
Clusterfuck-avoiding xposts. I like it when they choose atypical tracks - not just Rill Rill but Sprawl II. It's the tracks list so it favours standalone songs over ones that are necessarily representative of the album.
I love Rill Rill because it has a whopping great sample from my favourite Funkadelic track. It's also the only Sleigh Bells track I can listen to with the fierce headache I've had all day.
Nice to see some recognition of Prins Thomas - I can see why it disappointed people but it's a good stoner krautrock record.
― The baby boomers have defined everything once and for all (Dorianlynskey), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:14 (thirteen years ago) link
― seandalai, Tuesday, December 14, 2010 10:13 AM (9 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Lil B & Odd Future are exactly who the Wire should be ranking in year end ish.
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:14 (thirteen years ago) link
and they did?
― skrrr boi (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:15 (thirteen years ago) link
Well, Pitchfork is basically the textbook definition of "I WANNA BE A TASTEMAKER" so that's not only is that particularly surprising to me, it's completely expected (I didn't see that discussion/article and honestly couldn't care less about it).
― "Kiss Players♥" (DJP), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:15 (thirteen years ago) link
― skrrr boi (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, December 14, 2010 10:15 AM (26 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
which is why Big Boi seems dumb & relies more on a response to critical hype than anything resembling critical perspectives
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:16 (thirteen years ago) link
dorian did you ever hear the bjørn torske album? maybe my favourite artist album in the balearic disco field this year. been kinda overlooked.
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:16 (thirteen years ago) link
i think we can officially declare pfork a tastemaker by nw
― irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:16 (thirteen years ago) link
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Tuesday, December 14, 2010 4:16 PM (18 seconds ago) Bookmark
could just be that they liked it?
no, that could never happen
― "Kiss Players♥" (DJP), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:17 (thirteen years ago) link
Anyone willing and able to post any of the specialist charts from the Wire, pretty please??
― O Permaban (NickB), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:17 (thirteen years ago) link
then again that sounds like a pretty cruddy low kbps rip. (If it's meant to sound like that then I don't know what to think.)
ned, as someone who adores loveless, aka "is it MEANT to sound like this?? is my record player broken???" -- i would honestly think you are among the ideal target audience for sleigh bells -- there's a lot of parallels to be drawn there, right?
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:18 (thirteen years ago) link
OK, I give up: what does "rdme" mean? (Probably just "read me" or something obvious, right?)
― slow a cat sample down 800 percent (Matos W.K.), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:18 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, i was just surprised they were so open about it, because that to me is the textbook definition of critical dishonesty - diluting individual critics' opinions for the sake of some "greater good".
what? does anything else about the wire list give the remotest impression they're even aware of mainstream critical hype, let alone influenced by it? the big boi album is, as you say, just ok - but it's a super-likeable and way catchy and replayable kind of ok; i'm not remotely surprised at any love given to it, from any quarters.
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:18 (thirteen years ago) link
― irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, December 14, 2010 10:16 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
its easy to like it when the rap you listen to is limited to rap cosigned by other critics in the bubble. im just giving them shit for not having an independent perspective
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:19 (thirteen years ago) link
i think Big Boi on the Wire list represents the same thing Grinderman or Joanna Newsom does. "Here is an less-underground person who uses avant-garde ideas to make accessible music. We like that stuff too."
― skrrr boi (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:19 (thirteen years ago) link
matos: rolling my damn eyes
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:19 (thirteen years ago) link
ew. loveless is crafted with love and care to sound fuzzy and warm. sleigh bells just sounds broekn
― irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:19 (thirteen years ago) link
<3 rdme
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:20 (thirteen years ago) link
http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll54/mjm7308/Dance.gif
― Let me explore your musky garden. (chrisv2010), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:21 (thirteen years ago) link
rmdfe. since when has wire been about what other critics think and not having an independent perspective?
― irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:21 (thirteen years ago) link
Sleigh Bells sounds messy and brash and excited, which is why I love that album so much.
signed, thet last dude on earth who still loves Atari Teenage Riot
― "Kiss Players♥" (DJP), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:21 (thirteen years ago) link
i think whiney makes a pretty logical case for why anyone, including the staff of 'the wire', would like the big boi record
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:22 (thirteen years ago) link
"You know why we should put this obscure Czech trumpet player on the cover? Because Pitchfork covered him first."
― irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:22 (thirteen years ago) link
I thought it was more like, the editorial crew figure out roughly what kind of score it's going to get, then find someone in the pool of reviewers whose opinions concur - ie kinda manipulative, but not really at the expense of the critic(s)
― ITV2: Jimlectric Beglinoo (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:23 (thirteen years ago) link
Sure, but it's not like they were covering Lil B in the main section of the magazine until "Rain in England".
― seandalai, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:24 (thirteen years ago) link
oh my god please don't let this thread turn into another "how your pitchfork sausages gets made" boreathon
― skrrr boi (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:24 (thirteen years ago) link
it seems weird to jump down their throats more than any other publication -- sure their magazine basically runs on a bunch of outsider records, but critically acclaimed albums are that for a reason, cuz lots of ppl like them -- it doesn't seem like a very hard thing to figure out
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:24 (thirteen years ago) link
Can we set up a killfile so deej, whiney, and a hoy hoy just don't see each others posts?
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:24 (thirteen years ago) link
― irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, December 14, 2010 10:22 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
obviously they arent quite as confident when it comes to rap
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:24 (thirteen years ago) link
sorry yeah agreed xps
― ITV2: Jimlectric Beglinoo (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:24 (thirteen years ago) link
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ PLEASEEEEEE
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:25 (thirteen years ago) link
even if critics pay more attention to the album because dude was in one of the most beloved rap groups of all time for 20 years
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:25 (thirteen years ago) link
― seandalai, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:24 (43 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
rong, they did a page on him pretty early, I think before the thread on here got started for example
― ITV2: Jimlectric Beglinoo (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:25 (thirteen years ago) link
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, December 14, 2010 10:24 AM (16 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
its because they are typically so independent in other music worlds that big boi feels like a cop to critical consensus
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:25 (thirteen years ago) link
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Tuesday, December 14, 2010 10:25 AM (24 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
dog
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:26 (thirteen years ago) link
<3 deej and whiney both, but h8 every "big" thread turning into a deej/whiney fite
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:26 (thirteen years ago) link
Or possibly that Big Boi album is much, much better than you think it is but you are too far down in the weeds to notice.
Guess which scenario EVERYONE on this thread thinks is more likely?
― "Kiss Players♥" (DJP), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:27 (thirteen years ago) link
ts because they are typically so independent in other music worlds that big boi feels like a cop to critical consensus
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Tuesday, December 14, 2010 10:25 AM (9 seconds ago) Bookmark
idk man, this seems like some tinfoil hat shit
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:28 (thirteen years ago) link
When Stylus still existed, our grading system was....more idiosyncratic, rarely matching the review's outcome. But we were less conscious about being tastemakers though.
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:28 (thirteen years ago) link
ha, ilxor complaining about other people's posts, that'll be the day
yeah can we really avoid another debate on the merits of editorial oversight of album ratings
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:29 (thirteen years ago) link
― "Kiss Players♥" (DJP), Tuesday, December 14, 2010 10:27 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
ilxors in enjoying critical consensus rap records shocker?
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:29 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exCJmFlVZGUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIShafLwA4M
― skrrr boi (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:30 (thirteen years ago) link
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, December 14, 2010 10:28 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
you yourself have clowned this record for its position as the music critic's rap record
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:30 (thirteen years ago) link
― seandalai, Tuesday, December 14, 2010 4:24 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark
I dunno dawg, Noz was on that shit p early both on cb and in the wire.
― irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:30 (thirteen years ago) link
"big boi learned everything he knows from merge records"
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:31 (thirteen years ago) link
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Y4wE1e9WkKs/Sbhg_J7NweI/AAAAAAAAABY/3xDX0n7cNu8/s320/740.jpg
WILL SOMEONE PLEASE THINK ABOUT THE JACKA
― skrrr boi (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:31 (thirteen years ago) link
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Tuesday, December 14, 2010 10:30 AM (30 seconds ago) Bookmark
yeah but i understand that a lot of (rock) critics like it so i don't get up in arms about it being on these lists
i hope other ppl are SBing whiney right now
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:32 (thirteen years ago) link
great – another cluttered thread.
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:32 (thirteen years ago) link
im dissing the wire for including this for the same reason i praised the classic rock list for sticking to actual rock in its milieu
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:33 (thirteen years ago) link
"<3 deej and whiney both, but h8 every "big" thread turning into a deej/whiney fite"
http://images2.fanpop.com/image/photos/12500000/Maddie-and-David-moonlighting-12544639-500-377.jpg
― scott seward, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:33 (thirteen years ago) link
weak zings arent worthy of sbs
― irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:33 (thirteen years ago) link
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, December 14, 2010 10:32 AM (14 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
why is ilx suddenly afraid of arguing about this shit? its more interesting than what was happening before imo
― irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, December 14, 2010 10:33 AM (6 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
imo, trying to keep this 'deej whiney beef' meme going is, though
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:34 (thirteen years ago) link
― skrrr boi (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:34 (thirteen years ago) link
Ok, I missed that Lil B writeup, must have forgotten about it.
― seandalai, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:34 (thirteen years ago) link
least i dont turn every thread into shit like this? the day i have a partner in crime and we derail another 10 threads a day, maybe it'll be comparable
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:35 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah i don't get why everyone is jumping down each other's throats here
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:35 (thirteen years ago) link
btw, can someone post the wire genre lists so we can talk about something else?
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Tuesday, December 14, 2010 10:35 AM (12 seconds ago) Bookmark
HAHAHA YEAH THE DAY YOU GET A PARTNER IN CRIME. WHEN WILL THAT DAY EVER COME
tbh i dont see this as part of the deej-whiney handbags either. disagreeing about something > bitching about nothing.
― irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:36 (thirteen years ago) link
??? xp
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:36 (thirteen years ago) link
anyway deej is right (about people being all up in arms over this thread)
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:36 (thirteen years ago) link
~~~sigh~~~
oh no a thread about end of year lists has birthed a heated & zingy argument *clutches pearls*
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:37 (thirteen years ago) link
deej, you really think you and whiney's tiresome arguing is better than anything else going on with ilm?
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:38 (thirteen years ago) link
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― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:39 (thirteen years ago) link
The rock music thread is a pretty good read imo.
― seandalai, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:41 (thirteen years ago) link
Someone explain "I Can Change" to me. One of my least favorite songs on the LCD Soundsystem record.
― Indexed, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:41 (thirteen years ago) link
Honestly don't think that rock music threads could be much less interesting than the kind of tedious rap handwringing on show here.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:42 (thirteen years ago) link
And if we're going to criticize Pitchfork track listings, let's focus on how they're basically a reflection of their best albums of the year list with four or five pop/rap songs thrown into the top 20.
― Indexed, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:42 (thirteen years ago) link
(800 posts later) Thanks, Jordan.
― slow a cat sample down 800 percent (Matos W.K.), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:43 (thirteen years ago) link
"40 Jailbreak - The Rocker"
so is this just LOLcore thin lizzy mashups or something?
― scott seward, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:44 (thirteen years ago) link
idk both deej & whiney were making legit points, be it in their own special way
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:44 (thirteen years ago) link
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, December 14, 2010 10:38 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
im not arguing with whiney im making a point and people are disagreeing with it.
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:45 (thirteen years ago) link
the pfork list is fine but i'd much rather see the individual albums/trax ballots of various pfork writers
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:45 (thirteen years ago) link
"Let us endlessly speculate on people's motives for liking rap music" is becoming my least favourite line of conversation ever.
This is always a failing with the indier lists here - see also P&J last year. Ideally a tracks list should go some way to highlighting the best of the vast amount of non-album based music that comes out every year. If it's just "oh here are our favourite tracks off the records in our favourite albums lists" then something's failing.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:45 (thirteen years ago) link
i'd much rather see the individual albums/trax ballots of various pfork writers
this is true of most publications really - the guardian's counting down its top 10 this week but i'm only tangentially interested, looking fwd more to individual ballots getting published
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:46 (thirteen years ago) link
Ideally a tracks list should go some way to highlighting the best of the vast amount of non-album based music that comes out every year. If it's just "oh here are our favourite tracks off the records in our favourite albums lists" then something's failing.
OTMFM OTMFM. i don't even feel comfortable voting for songs like "yamaha" on a trax list, despite it being a massively important track-qua-track to my 2010, just cuz i'll be voting for love king.
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:47 (thirteen years ago) link
on the other hand, a lack of fresh perspectives / tastemakers making arguments for fresh aesthetic takes on rap seem fairly rare; even the source's attempt to retake some kind of narrative initiative this year w/ the 5 mics for bun b was a clumsy attempt at relevence
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:48 (thirteen years ago) link
― Matt DC, Tuesday, December 14, 2010 10:45 AM (0 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Their top 20 tracks is made up of 18 artists. Of those 18 artists, I count 11 that are nearly a dead lock for their top 15 albums of the year.
― Indexed, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:48 (thirteen years ago) link
bun b was given 5 mics? lol cultural relevancy of the source
― irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:49 (thirteen years ago) link
another valuable purpose: "90% of this album really blows, here's the one great track"
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:49 (thirteen years ago) link
oh oops jailbreak is chris corsano. i should have known that i guess. him being local and all.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:49 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah that too. Pitchfork tracks list would be much more interesting if they scrubbed everything by artists in their albums list. Not necessarily more representative of their taste, but still...
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:50 (thirteen years ago) link
That's dishonest in a different direction, though...?
― "Kiss Players♥" (DJP), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:50 (thirteen years ago) link
yes - will be repping for christina aguilera's "monday morning" on this basis
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:50 (thirteen years ago) link
Scott, Jailbreak is a Heather Leigh/Chris Corsano thing on Family Vineyard. Haven't heard it, supposed to be a screamer though. lol xps
― O Permaban (NickB), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:50 (thirteen years ago) link
http://bit.ly/dYWwb2
― skrrr boi (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:51 (thirteen years ago) link
chris rocks. saw him solo here last year and it was mindboggling. didn't go see rangda but maria did.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:52 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah corsano is ths best. that rangda is def in my top 20
― skrrr boi (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:52 (thirteen years ago) link
so both trill og and mbdtf got 5 mics? ew. bring back benzino.
― irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:52 (thirteen years ago) link
xps, but following on from my previous post: Like, if you like the song and think it's one of the best of the year, should it get penalized because it appears on an album you think is one of the best of the year? What if the song on its own stands out in a manner differently from how it blends into the album?
― "Kiss Players♥" (DJP), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:52 (thirteen years ago) link
― Matt DC, Tuesday, December 14, 2010 10:50 AM (30 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
I don't think it's necessary to go that far, and to a certain extent I'd expect someone's favorite tracks to be included amongst their favorite albums, but I think the ordering often seems to mirror the album list much too closely. I can see that Titus Andronicus track ending up 75 in their poll and the editors saying, 'shit, we better bump this up to reflect the fact that the album was one of our favorites.'
― Indexed, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:53 (thirteen years ago) link
ok looking at albums that got an XXL is maybe even worse. Really need a proper fucking rap rag since rip hhc.
― irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:54 (thirteen years ago) link
KInda odd that Rangda wasn't on the wire list, now you mention them, scott.
― O Permaban (NickB), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:55 (thirteen years ago) link
Totally, not saying they should do that, just that it'd be interesting. More so than a top 10 of tracks culled from the same Arcade Fire, Beach House and LCD Soundsystem albums they're voting for on the other list.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:57 (thirteen years ago) link
Okay, but I think you can actually make that argument for "Dance Yrself Clean" or "One Touch", so it seems like you're trying to have your cake and eat it too with the examples you're using.
I think a non-album track list would be awesome but that's a decidedly and intentionally different list from "best songs of the year".
― "Kiss Players♥" (DJP), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 17:03 (thirteen years ago) link
I think the ordering often seems to mirror the album list much too closely.
let me be the first to guess at the pfork top ten without seeing anything in the top 50 or honorable mentions list, mostly based on the trax list, album rankings, and a few other factors:
- kanye west (two tracks in top 10, plus 10.0 rating, obv.)- ariel pink (#1 track, breakout album, 9.0 rating, major chillwave influence)- lcd soundsystem (tracks ranked at #3 and #12, 9.2 rating)- robyn (best "pop" track of 2010, endless pfork hype, three highly rated albums/EPs)- big boi (#5 track, most highly praised "actual hip-hop/rap" album of 2010 [kanye doesnt count])- joanna newsom (#6 track, 9.0+ rating [9.2 maybe?])- janelle monae (#10 track, "cold war" hot as well, most highly praised r&b album of 2010 while not being "traditional r&b")- deerhunter (not sure why this got a 9.2, but it has two trax in top 30-40-ish area, incl. #11)
plus, two of the following three, making 10 total:
- beach house (another couple highly ranked trax, 9.0 rating, breakout album for a band pfork's been hyping for years)- sleigh bells ("best new debut album") -- though this could fall in 11-15 and i wouldn't be surprised- titus andronicus (great/praised album by an "albums band" despite no track in the top 15 or so)
highly ranked trax artists that wont rank in top 10: james blake (no full length), arcade fire (expecting top 11-25), caribou will be somewhere right under top ten (maybe 11-15?), crystal castles, girl unit, erykah badu, how to dress well
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― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 17:07 (thirteen years ago) link
there's no girl unit album either
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 14 December 2010 17:08 (thirteen years ago) link
that too
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 17:09 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean, are there any other serious contenders for pfork top ten? i guess i could see caribou getting into 6-10 range, slim possibility, but that's about it... right?
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 17:10 (thirteen years ago) link
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Tuesday, December 14, 2010 11:07 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
In my previous comment ("I count 11 that are nearly a dead lock for their top 15 albums of the year") I was referring to all of those, except I had Arcade Fire instead of Joanna Newsom.
― Indexed, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 17:13 (thirteen years ago) link
I think Arcade Fire and Vampire Weekend both have 'chances' at their top 10. I think the Walkmen, Radio Dept., No Age, and National albums will likely be high--top 20 or 25.
― Indexed, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 17:15 (thirteen years ago) link
guys, i just can't wait for friday
― skrrr boi (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 17:15 (thirteen years ago) link
ahh nice, i missed that, sorry, too many posts in thread :(
wouldn't be surprised if arcade fire was a bit lower this year, maybe 16-25 range. pfork didnt rate too highly, seems like "sprawl II" kinda stole all the album's attention, plus all the other crits are going nuts over arcade fire this year, so seems like a good time for pfork to dial back the hype a bit: "guys, we like the arcade fire, i mean, we basically introduced them to the world 5 yrs ago, but they've made better albums than this one"
I think Arcade Fire and Vampire Weekend both have 'chances' at their top 10.
good call on vamp week, i could see that going top ten ~~~maybe~~~
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 17:16 (thirteen years ago) link
cos that's my rdme day xp
― O Permaban (NickB), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 17:16 (thirteen years ago) link
did the national have a track in pfork's entire top 100? I must've missed it -- was "bloodbuzz ohio" in there at all?? (if not, major props, btw)
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 17:17 (thirteen years ago) link
My second favourite - the backing just works for me in that 80s quirky groove vein.
― modrić in paradise (blueski), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 17:18 (thirteen years ago) link
Bloobuzz was #66, considerably lower than I would have expected it to be.
― Indexed, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 17:19 (thirteen years ago) link
pfork doing the same thing w/ the national as arcade fire -- "attn all other critics: we hyped these guys back when they were making better albums"
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 17:20 (thirteen years ago) link
xpost. Years ago Q used to have a little box on the reviews page where they picked out great tracks from otherwise shitty albums. I loved that. My favourite tracks in Pitchfork and Stylus were often freak standouts from albums and EPs.
― The baby boomers have defined everything once and for all (Dorianlynskey), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 17:23 (thirteen years ago) link
see also: christgau's column, wasnt it called "choice cuts" or something?
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 17:25 (thirteen years ago) link
It's criticism as public service - "I listened to this pile of average albums just so I could tell you about a couple of great songs you wouldn't otherwise have known about."
I do miss the Stylus list.
― The baby boomers have defined everything once and for all (Dorianlynskey), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 17:35 (thirteen years ago) link
that radio dept album needs more love.
― Let me explore your musky garden. (chrisv2010), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 17:37 (thirteen years ago) link
I thought Maserati & Rene Hell would have made more lists.
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 17:38 (thirteen years ago) link
two huge, mainstream pop albums that haven't appeared on *any* lists yet:
Katy Perry - Teenage DreamKe$ha - Animal
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 17:43 (thirteen years ago) link
tbf no one outside of Radio Disney or the AMAs is going to rank those albums
it's like how the reader's choice poll in TV Guide picked Supernatural as the season's best television show
― "Kiss Players♥" (DJP), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 17:44 (thirteen years ago) link
let us hope this state of affairs continues.
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 17:44 (thirteen years ago) link
they're gonna place in P&J (and the Village Voice is pimping HARD for Katy Perry) -- question is, how high/low?
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 17:47 (thirteen years ago) link
Katy Perry blows tbh
― skrrr boi (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 17:48 (thirteen years ago) link
you could say the album is DROWNING in bad ideas
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Tuesday, December 14, 2010 11:43 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Didn't "Tik Tok" have the longest streak at #1 on the Billboard charts for a female artist since the 70s or something crazy like that? IMO, the song "Teenage Dream" is definitely worthy of an indie publication's approval. I guess I don't see how "Rude Boy" and "Telephone" are much "better" objectively.
― Indexed, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 17:50 (thirteen years ago) link
Anyone know if The Wire list is out yet?
― Fastnbulbous, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 18:02 (thirteen years ago) link
it's upthread, there was an awesome deej 'n Whiney minishow over it
― "Kiss Players♥" (DJP), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 18:02 (thirteen years ago) link
reposting:
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 18:13 (thirteen years ago) link
Not heard of Actress. Would I like it?
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 18:14 (thirteen years ago) link
if you like this, you'll probably dig the whole aesthetic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcnRT-m9MYo
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 18:17 (thirteen years ago) link
Thanks! I've been in a training class, and am behind!
― Fastnbulbous, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 18:26 (thirteen years ago) link
It doesn't seem to go anywhere but maybe It needs to be heard as an album not just 1 track.
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 18:27 (thirteen years ago) link
This makes sense, and I have this argument every year with myself. The other dilemma: ranking a single whose album made your top ten last year.
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 18:28 (thirteen years ago) link
"The House That Built Me"?
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 18:33 (thirteen years ago) link
XXP: There's a lot to admire in that album but it doesn't have a grip on my heart.
― Carl Jung Jeezy (Doran), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 18:34 (thirteen years ago) link
and "American Saturday Night."
xpost
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 18:34 (thirteen years ago) link
Treblezine - The Top 50 Albums of 2010
Back to class *sigh*. Stupid work is getting in the way of my listening to the several dozen albums I haven't gotten around to yet!
― Fastnbulbous, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 18:51 (thirteen years ago) link
TIME Magazine - Top 10 Albums
* Kanye West, My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy * Arcade Fire, The Suburbs * LCD Soundsystem, This Is Happening * The National, High Violet * Drake, Thank Me Later * Sufjan Stevens, Age of Adz * The Black Keys, Brothers * Yeasayer, Odd Blood * Big Boi, Sir Lucious Left Foot: The Son of Chico Dusty * Beach House, Teen Dream
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 19:06 (thirteen years ago) link
much more interesting:
TIME Magazine - Top 10 Buzzwords
* Vuvuzela * Top Kill/Junk Shot/Static Kill/Top Hat * Bedbugs * Eyjafjallajokull * Austerity * Anchor Babies * Mama Grizzlies * Release the Kraken! * Double-dip * Bunga bunga
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 19:08 (thirteen years ago) link
okay seriously, I didn't even know Yeaseayer or Beach House EXISTED before these lists
― "Kiss Players♥" (DJP), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 19:08 (thirteen years ago) link
I knew music existed before I read these lists.
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 19:10 (thirteen years ago) link
* Top Kill/Junk Shot/Static Kill/Top Hat* Anchor Babies* Release the Kraken!* Bunga bunga
^^what the shit are these
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 19:10 (thirteen years ago) link
My ILM passwords.
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 19:11 (thirteen years ago) link
SRSLY -- wish we had those kinda surprises on year-end lists too!
xp to lex
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 19:12 (thirteen years ago) link
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, December 14, 2010 1:28 PM (42 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
yeah, i can't really argue with that either, but that's also precisely why i think it's more interesting/rewarding to do a tracks list that's geared towards covering singles, whether it's chart fodder or stuff in non-album formats or single-driven genres, etc. if it's nearly all the same artists as your corresponding albums list it's kind of pointless.
― some dude, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 19:13 (thirteen years ago) link
lex -- answers here:
http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,2035319_2034745,00.html
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 19:13 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean deej makes fun of me for putting songs on my P&J ballot the year they're hits even if it's the year after they first surface, but that's just how i roll. i might be one of the only P&J voters whose whole top 10 tracks have charted on the Hot 100 most years. (xpost)
― some dude, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 19:15 (thirteen years ago) link
* Top Kill/Junk Shot/Static Kill/Top Hat
this was a Sonic Youth song, I think it was on Sister -- not sure why it's on a 2010 list
― pixel farmer, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 19:18 (thirteen years ago) link
haha three of those were actually really useful & interesting to know, fuck a wacky film catchphrase tho
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 19:18 (thirteen years ago) link
Didn't "Tik Tok" have the longest streak at #1 on the Billboard charts for a female artist since the 70s or something crazy like that?
I think for a debut single only. (I'm guessing the precedent was "You Light Up My Life.")
― Zsa Zsa Gay Bar (jaymc), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 19:22 (thirteen years ago) link
great top 100, even better writing:
http://www.saidthegramophone.com/archives/best_songs_of_2010.php
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 19:23 (thirteen years ago) link
TIME Top 10 New Species
Beaked ToadDarwin's Bark SpiderHigh-Altitude Tree AntMossula KatydidPea-Sized Pitcher Plant FrogEcuadorean Glass FrogGiant Woolly RatTube-Nosed Fruit BatBluetooth TarantulaFive-Foot Penguin
― seandalai, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 19:23 (thirteen years ago) link
Boston Phoenix's 100 Essential Hip-Hop Songs of 2010: http://thephoenix.com/Boston/music/112769-100-essential-hip-hop-tracks-for-2010/. I'll C+P the list in a sec.
― slow a cat sample down 800 percent (Matos W.K.), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 19:27 (thirteen years ago) link
wonder if we could think of musicians/albums that match up well to those species names
could make a great list
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 19:28 (thirteen years ago) link
Full Boston Phoenix 100 Essential Hip-Hop Tracks of 2010 list:
100. Rae, Ghost & Meth - "Gunshowers"99. Moe Pope & Rain - "Rock Me"98. Black Rob - "Just Holler At Me First"97. 7L & Esoteric featuring Inspectah Deck - "12th Chamber"96. J. Cole - "Before I'm Gone"95. Akrobatik - "Rap Royalty" (RIP Guru)94. Asher Roth - "Muddy Swim Trunks"93. Crown Royale - "Get It Up"92. Grand Daddy IU - "The Veteran"91. Reflection Eternal - "Ballad of the Black Gold"
90. Homeboy Sandman - "Calm Tornado"
89. Necro - "Asshole Anthem"88. Nottz featuring Mayer Hawthorne - "I Still Love You"87. Vinnie Paz - "Role of Life"86. Mickey Factz - "Good Morning New Orleans"85. Q-Unique - "Crack Era"84. RADIx - "Say Yes"83. Rakaa - "C.T.D."82. Reef the Lost Cauze & Guns-N-Butter - "Get Me Outta Here"81. Reks - "This or That"
80. Roc Marciano - "Raw Deal"79. Frankie Wainwright - "Bodies Everywhere"78. Super Chron Flight Brothers - "Reggie Miller"77. Jaysaun - "On Your Job"76. Kil Ripken - "Not You"75. Gangrene - "Take Drugs"74. Freeway & Jake One featuring Young Chris - "Microphone Killa"73. Time Crisis featuring partyboobytrap - "Heaven"72. Fat Joe - "I'm Gone"71. Factor - "Lawson Graham"
70. Eternia & Moss - "Any Man"69. Dubb Sicks - "Tha Anthem"68. Fresh Vetz - "Hard Hatz"67. Amadeus the Stampede - "Scars of Life"66. Cymarshall Law & The Beatnikz - "Believe This"65. Nas & Damian Marley - "As We Enter"64. Dark Time Sunshine featuring Qwel, Xperience, & Solillaquists of Sound - "Instructions to Numb"63. Click Animosity - "Via Frontlines"62. N.B.S. - "Who Are We?" (Celtics Anthem)61. Ceschi - "Bad Jokes"
60. Celph-Titled & Buckwild - "Where I Are"59. Canibus - "Merchant of Metaphors"58. Ill Bill & DJ Muggs featuring Vinnie Paz & B-Real - "Kill Devil Hills"57. J the S - "Middle of the Storm"56. Kidz in the Hall - "Bougie Girls"55. Marco Polo & Ruste Juxx - "Death Penalty"54. Dessa - "Matches to Paper Dolls"53. Moe Green - "Iced Out Lifestyle"52. Trademark da Skydiver - "Dead Fool"51. Slaine featuring Jaysaun - "Goin' Down"
50. Omar Offendum - "Destiny"49. Singapore Kane - "Tom & Jerry"48. B. Dolan - "Marvin"47. Tom Caruana/Method Man (Wu-Tang vs. The Beatles) - "Uh Huh"46. MC Paul Barman - "Props"45. Hybrid Thoughts featuring Craig G - "Back Then"44. Snowgoons featuring M-Dot & KrumbSnatcha - "Hate on Me"43. ChocQuibTown - "De Donde Vengo Yo"42. Skipp Whitman - "Famous"41. Statik Selektah & Termanology featuring Styles P - "Tell Me Lies"
40. Black EL x Durkin - "100 Miles"39. Chiddy Bang - "Truth"38. Public Enemy - "Say It Like It Really Is"37. Rip Shop - "Hood Luv"36. TruthLive - "It's Easy"35. Masta Killa - "Brain"34. El Da Sensei & The Returners featuring Reks & John Robinson - "Toxic Words"33. Freddie Gibbs featuring Tek & Sean Price - "The Ghetto" (Remix)32. Virtuoso - "Propaganda"31. Hell Razah featuring R.A. the Rugged Man - "Return of the Renaissance"
30. M-Dot & Jean Maron featuring Masta Ace - "You Don't Know About It"29. Eminem - "Untitled" (Recovery Bonus Track)28. Slaine, ILL Bill & Q-Unique - "Science of the Trife"27. Blacastan featuring Colombeyond - "Martyrs"26. Elemental Zazen - "Lockjaw"25. Pace Won & Mr. Green - "Liquor & Drugs"24. The High Life - "We Came To Rock"23. Black Milk featuring Royce da 5'9" & Elzhi - "Deadly Medley"22. Evidence - "To Be Continued..."21. Sage Francis - "The Best of Times"
20. E the Real featuring Louie Gonz (a/k/a Spit Supreme) - "The Network Game"19. C-Rayz Walz - "Destroy"18. Atmosphere - "The Best Day"17. Capone-N-Noreaga - "Favor for a Favor"16. KRS-One & Tru Master featuring Cappadonna - "Street Rhymer"15. The Roots - "How I Got Over"14. Big Boi - "General Patton"13. Warghosts - "Chase the Dragon"12. V8 & Shortrock - "Los Edwardos"11. Devin the Dude - "What I Be On"
10. Defcon & Outwrite - "Superfly"9. Ana Tijoux - "Sube"8. Army of the Pharaohs - "Bust 'Em In"7. Donwill - "Laura's Song"6. Ron Contour - "Glad"5. Raekwon, Method Man, Ghostface Killah, Ice da Don, Inspectah Deck - "All Flowers"4. El-P - "Lab Rat Bravely Escapes on Hovercraft Only To Crash Directly Outside of Gates"3. Sean Price - "Sabado Gigante"2. A.G. - "Henne Berri Daquiri"1. Nas - "Foul Breeze"
― slow a cat sample down 800 percent (Matos W.K.), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 19:33 (thirteen years ago) link
i like that list. that list is me on youtube when i go home tonight.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 19:37 (thirteen years ago) link
Five-Foot Penguin
That's a lot of feet!!
― xhuxk, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 19:38 (thirteen years ago) link
i kinda thought the devin album was a drag. maybe i should listen again. and i wasn't stoned when i played it so the problem might be me.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 19:41 (thirteen years ago) link
Lots and lots of great stuff on that list, but a very circa-1997 approach to what rap should be
― skrrr boi (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 19:43 (thirteen years ago) link
Scott: all the songs on the list have YouTube embeds at the link above.
― slow a cat sample down 800 percent (Matos W.K.), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 19:45 (thirteen years ago) link
cool. i will be there later.
right now i am going through my own stack of 2010 stuff for pazz & jop. wish i could just vote for specific labels. lots of little labels i love.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 19:47 (thirteen years ago) link
most of these tracks lists need to be youtube playlists - has any zine/site actually done this directly?
― modrić in paradise (blueski), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 19:51 (thirteen years ago) link
― skrrr boi (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, December 14, 2010 1:43 PM (33 minutes ago) Bookmark
two southern rappers out of ONE HUNDRED
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 14 December 2010 20:19 (thirteen years ago) link
Stop bein' rapper racists, region hatersSpectators, dictators, behind door dick takersIt's outrageous, you don't know how sick you make usI want to throw up like chips in VegasBut this is Southern face itIf we too simple then y'all don't get the basics
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 14 December 2010 20:20 (thirteen years ago) link
& nothing west of detroit, from what i can tell
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 14 December 2010 20:21 (thirteen years ago) link
An East Coast "indie" paper over-privileging East Coast acts? I AM SHOCKED.
― "Kiss Players♥" (DJP), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 20:23 (thirteen years ago) link
i would say that the dedication to finding 100 worthwhile tracks mainly from 200 mile radius is in its own way depressingly impressive except that the #1 is a nas song that was on a mixtape for a promo of carmelo anthony's new sneaker
take it where you can get it, i suppose
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 14 December 2010 20:24 (thirteen years ago) link
― "Kiss Players♥" (DJP), Tuesday, December 14, 2010 2:23 PM (49 seconds ago) Bookmark
ha, over-privileging vs pretending like the southern & western parts of the US fell into the ocean
& that's also a lame excuse because rap fans from other parts of the country don't act like the the east coast doesn't exist -- it's only the other way around
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 14 December 2010 20:26 (thirteen years ago) link
You lived up here at one point, didn't you? I'm more amazed that the entire list isn't all Boston than anything else.
― "Kiss Players♥" (DJP), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 20:26 (thirteen years ago) link
basically that list is v.v much in character for The Phoenix
― "Kiss Players♥" (DJP), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 20:28 (thirteen years ago) link
nah i've only lived in miami & missouri
it's just sad to see someone (or people) that clearly loves & follows rap but is so hermetically sealed
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 14 December 2010 20:29 (thirteen years ago) link
"Hermetically Sealed" could be Boston's motto, is the thing
― "Kiss Players♥" (DJP), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 20:30 (thirteen years ago) link
i didn't know the phoenix had such a curated taste in rap
still think it's bullshit but w/e
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 14 December 2010 20:33 (thirteen years ago) link
lol, I still remember my college radio career being cut off before it even began when I went to the first meeting for the alt-rock DJs and the guys running the station announced "if you're looking for someplace to play your favorite Cure or Smiths albums, leave now; we are about REAL alternative, which means our vibrant local scene"
now, I'm not denying that Boston DOESN'T have a vibrant local scene but really, gtfo with that talk, ESPECIALLY AT FUCKING HARVARD
― "Kiss Players♥" (DJP), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 20:38 (thirteen years ago) link
We had plenty of bleedover at KLA at UCLA when I started in college radio -- the Cure et al weren't banned or anything but we were encouraged to make sure we didn't JUST play that, which considering the 800 lb gorilla in the room called KROQ made perfect sense...
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 20:41 (thirteen years ago) link
boston college radio: the alternative to the alternative to the humdrum.
― Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 14 December 2010 20:44 (thirteen years ago) link
I missed the relevant clusterf**k ;_; but I don't think it's pointless to talk about the fact that these year end lists from magazines with particular aesthetic brands tend to lapse back into consensus-think once they move beyond their primary critical focus - this is not some conspiratorial thing either, it's a product of the fact that most critics do this w/r/t their own personal tastes.
More distressing to me than the placements and rankings that result from this is much of the related writing, which by and large also seems to plunge precipitously into focus group anonymity - like, try to find a rock critic take on James Blake that doesn't sound exactly like every other rock critic take on James Blake (ironically, of course, praising his trailblazing individuality).
This isn't a comment on Wire, I think pretty much every publication suffers from this to some disagree.
Mind you year end list write-ups are particularly conducive to anonymous-feeling writing, and I expect I suffer from this as much as anyone else, so w/e.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 22:17 (thirteen years ago) link
I've just tabbed my 100th list for Sound Opinions Message Board end of year album countdown, we are now at 925 different nominated albums which is obvious just over 9 unique albums per list (with average size being 30.76 albums.)
So far so boring, but I also have the age of almost 90 of the voters, meaning I can tell you the average age of voter for each album which is pretty interesting.
I'm not posting the results, others are but I'll drop a note in here when it starts as I intend to really go to town on analysis of the votes.
Also if you have an account there, go post a list (deej!)
― Mitchell Stirling, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 22:18 (thirteen years ago) link
Did anyone else read Jennifer Kelly's piece over at Dusted today? Girl knows what's up:
http://dustedmagazine.com/features/945
"A week or so ago, when first trying to piece together how I felt about 2010, I ran across a kind of depressing discussion about which, if any, of the big records of the year would top the polls. The consensus was that there weren’t any consensus records. The ones that everyone had heard of — Arcade Fire’s Suburbs for instance, or The National’s High Violet — were not very exciting. Both were weak-ish efforts by well-liked bands, not terrible, but nothing to rally around. Grinderman’s 2, which came up as well, was quite a good record, but in a solid, middle-of-the-pack kind of way. You can’t imagine waking up feeling different about the world the morning after you’d played it. Sleigh Bells had the opposite problem, being vaguely exciting but not quite good. Nothing like Animal Collective’s Merriweather Post Pavillon, with its combination of sizzle and meat, had emerged for 2010, and it made you wonder whether the everyone-on-the-same-page enthusiasm for it last year had been some kind of anachronistic fluke. It’s a bit late to observe this but 2010 underlined it: the lowest common denominator has become so dull that not even the pack cares about it much.
In one way, that’s fine, because it’s become easier than ever to explore whatever part of the periphery you prefer. Yet, I think because music is such a social phenomenon, listening to great music, music that is 100 percent targeted to your taste, but listening in isolation, is ultimately unsatisfying. We all want a consensus, a sort of mythical community where everyone agrees with us. That’s why we sometimes have discussions, not about what the best records of the last year are, but which ones are likely to score the highest. How well-accepted a record is becomes almost as important as how it sounds. The rating process becomes a hall of mirrors in which opinions are reflected and refracted into infinity, and the actual object that they’re based on fades into insignificance. Which is how people can propose The National’s third- or fourth-best album as Record of the Year, or Arcade Fire’s pallid third. It’s all about what we think other people have heard of, what they might like, and how we can position ourselves in the midst of some dubious communal sentiment. It’s pretty dicey and almost intrinsically dishonest.
And yet the alternative, of somehow separating the records you enjoy from the circumstances under which you heard them, the people you were with, the jokes you told, the food you ate, is also untenable. There’s no such thing as an unbiased experience. What you hear is, at least in some sense, inextricably linked with who you are at the moment the record goes on. I’m still not sure why The Soft Pack’s self-titled elicited the instant “yes” that it did, or why the effect of what is essentially a very good guitar-rock record persisted for the whole year, but I’m guessing it says as much about me and where I was this year as about the album itself. I know, on the other hand, that Wetdog’s Frauhaus triggered a whole bunch of positive post-punk associations, and that though it sounds like home to me, it might not to someone who came of age later or earlier. Still all the positive associations in the world couldn’t make Alejandro Escovedo’s over-slick, over-produced, back-up singer’d, big rock Street Songs of Love from sounding like the worst kind of AAA commercialism, and the fact that I’ve spent countless hours in the car listening to The National with my son (his favorite band at one point) didn’t make High Violet any less disappointing.
So here are 10 very good albums that hit me the hardest this year. I can’t make the case that they are objectively the best, and they certainly aren’t the most popular, but all 10 are worth listening to and passing on to friends. And maybe that’s the only way to build consensus, driven by real love and in increments of one or two at a time."
― Indexed, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 22:39 (thirteen years ago) link
Does she not know that Kanye exists?
― skrrr boi (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 22:40 (thirteen years ago) link
IF ONLY there was a critically championed record in 2010 everyone was rallying around! Where are you, record?
― skrrr boi (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 22:41 (thirteen years ago) link
Based on the list of albums she then pimps I think it's more a case of her not knowing that non-indie exists.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 22:45 (thirteen years ago) link
Girl knows what's up
― skrrr boi (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 22:46 (thirteen years ago) link
prolific
― *plop*timist (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 22:49 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't think I've ever seen Dusted review a Kanye album. They certainly lean heavily toward the indie and experimental side of music. The albums she listed are about as "popular" as they review.
― Indexed, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 22:50 (thirteen years ago) link
Girl knows what's up1. The Soft Pack - The Soft Pack Girl knows what's up1. The Soft Pack - The Soft Pack Girl knows what's up1. The Soft Pack - The Soft Pack Girl knows what's up1. The Soft Pack - The Soft Pack Girl knows what's up1. The Soft Pack - The Soft Pack Girl knows what's up1. The Soft Pack - The Soft Pack Girl knows what's up1. The Soft Pack - The Soft Pack Girl knows what's up1. The Soft Pack - The Soft Pack
― skrrr boi (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 22:52 (thirteen years ago) link
tbf I’m still not sure why The Soft Pack’s self-titled elicited the instant “yes” that it did, or why the effect of what is essentially a very good guitar-rock record persisted for the whole year, but I’m guessing it says as much about me and where I was this year as about the album itself.
― congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 22:53 (thirteen years ago) link
this is the main part I disagree withGrinderman’s 2, which came up as well, was quite a good record, but in a solid, middle-of-the-pack kind of way. You can’t imagine waking up feeling different about the world the morning after you’d played it.
― congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 22:54 (thirteen years ago) link
as opposed to the Soft Pack
― *plop*timist (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 22:54 (thirteen years ago) link
eh I have trouble arguing with her list because she's straight-up saying it's not a best of the year, or even a favorite of the year, but "here are some albums that impacted me, for whatever reason, this year"
― congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 22:55 (thirteen years ago) link
Whiney, don't you think your implicit labeling of her picks as "bad" underlines the entire point of her piece?
Edit: what n/a said.
― Indexed, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 22:56 (thirteen years ago) link
We're all rock critics nhttp://26.media.tumblr.com/avatar_3f47ac2e601d_128.pngw
― skrrr boi (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 22:59 (thirteen years ago) link
It's not the list, it's the preamble talking about the lack of critical unifying albums in 2010 (when clearly her critical sphere is claustrophobically small).
― Tim F, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 23:00 (thirteen years ago) link
most critical spheres are rilly small. like, tiny.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 23:03 (thirteen years ago) link
You really think she hasn't heard the Kanye album?
Regardless, I think her second paragraph is OTM.
― Indexed, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 23:04 (thirteen years ago) link
if i wanted to read the "this is my personal top 10" list from someone who clearly has little understanding/interest of anything besides the most loudly trumpeted indie rock and the occassional Wire favorite, I could visit ANYONE'S BLOG ON EARTH. The fact that this appears on Dusted instead of somerandombullshit.blogspot.com doesn't change anything
― skrrr boi (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 23:04 (thirteen years ago) link
you should update the whineyzing 3000 & switch out "blogspot" w/ "tumblr" tbh
― *plop*timist (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 23:07 (thirteen years ago) link
dusted dude who put the allesandro bosetti album on his list gets a big thumbs up from me. hardly anyone heard that album and it rules. its going on my pazz & jop thing.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 23:07 (thirteen years ago) link
Yes in isolation I approve of this. It's when people patch together their critical worldview via a short-circuit between their tiny critical sphere and we are the world consensus that I start to think they have less than zero self-awareness.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 23:10 (thirteen years ago) link
i love going to my home town and having the record store clerk tell me they didn't even order one Animal Collective album and who the fuck is Janelle Monae
― skrrr boi (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 23:11 (thirteen years ago) link
Grinderman’s 2, which came up as well, was quite a good record, but in a solid, middle-of-the-pack kind of way. You can’t imagine waking up feeling different about the world the morning after you’d played it.
i feel precisely the opposite way. i think g2 should eventually be considered a classic, "canonical" rock album.
― Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 14 December 2010 23:14 (thirteen years ago) link
"We all want a consensus, a sort of mythical community where everyone agrees with us."
is this really what people want? maybe they do. i mean, its nice when people you talk to like the same things as you, it makes conversation easier.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 23:16 (thirteen years ago) link
is this really what people want?
God help us if so.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 23:17 (thirteen years ago) link
You can’t imagine waking up feeling different about the world the morning after you’d played it.
maybe these records that will make a grown adult feel that way aren;t always going to be found in the 50-year-old art form of rock music?
― skrrr boi (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 23:18 (thirteen years ago) link
"Yet, I think because music is such a social phenomenon, listening to great music, music that is 100 percent targeted to your taste, but listening in isolation, is ultimately unsatisfying."
and this just makes me feel like a loser. cuz i have almost always listened to music alone. and it has satisfied me plenty.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 23:18 (thirteen years ago) link
i always assume what you're quoting is one of the attractions of "popism," at least when popism is paired against underground/indie rock music.
― Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 14 December 2010 23:19 (thirteen years ago) link
It almost seems like a question of faith on her end. (In that some -- a lot? -- of her mindset strikes me as the equivalent to those who pay lip service to the idea of being strong in their personal spiritual/religious beliefs but in practice can only function in some sort of comfort social zone so they never have to put those beliefs to the test.)
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 23:22 (thirteen years ago) link
Why else spend hours on blogs, messageboards, and music publications trying to convince others that what you're listening to is worthwhile? Why bother voting in a year-end poll?
She probably makes it out to be more black/white than it actually is, but I do think we're all ultimately competing to have our likes be more prevalent and our dislikes to disappear.
― Indexed, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 23:24 (thirteen years ago) link
we're all ultimately competing to have our likes be more prevalent and our dislikes to disappear
What, all the time until the end of our days? Sounds horrifying.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 23:25 (thirteen years ago) link
you're glad Loveless is only this board's favourite album ever then? :]
― modrić in paradise (blueski), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 23:40 (thirteen years ago) link
It's nice that it is, wouldn't care if it wasn't. (As it stands I had completely forgotten about those polls until you mentioned it.)
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 23:51 (thirteen years ago) link
More truthfully: we're competing for validation of our own aesthetic preferences by
(a) having others agree with us; and
(b) having been seen to be a cause of (or contributor to) any emergent critical position w/r/t X piece of music.
Hence all the passive-aggressive (and i'm not immune) "yes, it's great that X has belatedly endorsed this, note that I loved it way back when" stuff.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 23:59 (thirteen years ago) link
i was making that argument in like 2004, btw
― skrrr boi (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 00:04 (thirteen years ago) link
:P
i write about music and do the pazz & jop poll because its fun, and because i like (possibly) turning people on to stuff that i think is good (and that they may have overlooked or never heard of), and because i like the idea of documenting stuff that might very well go undocumented or under-documented unless i write about it. but i'm not really looking for consensus or validation. i don't think.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 00:09 (thirteen years ago) link
did you used to? i figure it's something you get over.
― modrić in paradise (blueski), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 00:12 (thirteen years ago) link
but i don't think i'm normal! and the idea that people want to embrace stuff that everyone is embracing is completely understandable and i love pop music so i get the whole social/we are the world THING, but, yeah, i guess that doesn't even begin to describe why i listen to music. just the idea that there is something unsatisfying in listening to music alone and not sharing it with a larger group...well, i've always hated larger groups, so i guess that's my problem right there.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 00:13 (thirteen years ago) link
because i like (possibly) turning people on to stuff that i think is good (and that they may have overlooked or never heard of)
this is my main motivation
we're all ultimately competing [for]... our dislikes to disappear
this too
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 00:14 (thirteen years ago) link
"did you used to? i figure it's something you get over."
it was nice in high school when me and my friends would all fall for the same thing. we all bonded over madonna. and other stuff. i mean i like the one on one of friendship and shared likes.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 00:15 (thirteen years ago) link
i am definitely not seeking "validation" of my tastes lol. as for being seen to be FIRST!!! or whatever - i don't think it's a motivation, i'm pretty bad at even guessing what's likely to cross over (critically or commercially) and frankly don't get why it happens 90% of the time. but it's really nice when it does happen! (first british journalist to write about nicki minaj, never gonna stop bragging about that.)
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 00:16 (thirteen years ago) link
i couldn't talk to ANYONE about TONS of stuff that i liked for years until i became friends with chuck! so, that was kinda cathartic, i guess. i do like talking about music with people. and i do it every day. so i'm not a shut-in or whatever.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 00:19 (thirteen years ago) link
and because i like (possibly) turning people on to stuff that i think is good (and that they may have overlooked or never heard of)
surely we all like doing this, but i'm pretty sure that that's down to the taste validation thing tim mentioned. NOT because we're worried people think we have bad taste tho (we aren't and we don't - how dare you etc.), just in the sense that we want other people to recognise that our taste and insight is as good as we think it is. without that why care at all what people (especially on the internet) like/dislike?
― modrić in paradise (blueski), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 00:35 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah i think that it would be disingenuous to claim that there are absolutely no egotistical motives in being a critic, basically if you think that your taste is worth imposing on the wider world that's a bit of a d*ck move, and the task of good music crit is basically to justify that by being a good enough writer/thinker/tastemaker that you're ultimately on the plus side of the register.
Not trying to diss people: basically existing on the planet is a d*ck move that requires justification.
And obv there's more and less egotistical forms of writing IMO.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 00:41 (thirteen years ago) link
for me the problem is how she moves from "music is such a social phenomenon" into we all want "a sort of mythical community where everyone agrees with us" because that community would be inherently anti-social and movements towards that community have resulted in the fragmentation/individualization of taste that has occurred over the last howevermany years
― /\/K/\/\, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 00:49 (thirteen years ago) link
and i would suggest that arguing over music is precisely what makes it social goes against any desire for a mythical community where everyone agrees with you
― /\/K/\/\, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 00:51 (thirteen years ago) link
"what makes it social and contradicts any desire" is how that should read
― /\/K/\/\, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 00:52 (thirteen years ago) link
basically existing on the planet is a d*ck move that requires justification.
uh what?
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 00:58 (thirteen years ago) link
"Yeah i think that it would be disingenuous to claim that there are absolutely no egotistical motives in being a critic, basically if you think that your taste is worth imposing on the wider world that's a bit of a d*ck move, and the task of good music crit is basically to justify that by being a good enough writer/thinker/tastemaker that you're ultimately on the plus side of the register."
oh yeah i thought this was understood. i definitely think i'm really cool. and i have awesome taste. and when i say it's fun to write and be a part of the pazz & jop poll that just means its fun to blab about stuff that i think is great! which is totally egotistical. but i honestly don't feel as though i'm imposing anything on anybody. i make a case and let people judge for themselves. which is why i'm generally anti-poll. but pazz & jop is a good chance to vote for stuff that nobody would ever vote for that i love. and someone might read my ballot and be curious.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 01:01 (thirteen years ago) link
a+ attitude
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_QqvfSFxx5rI/SiXGBw115EI/AAAAAAAANZg/eUq9WqzAPFk/s320/Image58ilikeyourstyle.jpg
― modrić in paradise (blueski), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 01:13 (thirteen years ago) link
It's very A+ -- also more generous than where I think I am these days as a writer, then again I feel I simply *listen* far differently than I used to, and that act of listening influencing how/where I choose to spend my time in terms of both listening and talking/writing about it. It's not willful isolation per se, but I do often feel quite contentedly disengaged from a lot of the macrolevel battles and discussion going on -- this verges a bit more into the piece I wrote as Pazz/Jop commentary, though, so I might say more then whenever I run the full thing on my blog.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 01:27 (thirteen years ago) link
it is strange that, with the thousands of albums released every year and freely-available via the internet, that there's anything approaching a concensus about the best albums of the year. i'd more likely expect that, of a hypothetical 1K critics, there'd be maybe 700 -- 850 different no. 1 album picks.
― Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 15 December 2010 01:30 (thirteen years ago) link
The albums that show up most often make a top ten list.
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 01:39 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, sure. but that's a bit beside the point.
― Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 15 December 2010 01:40 (thirteen years ago) link
Listening to High Violet now, and god is it as awful as expected, admittedly a predictable response on my part.
― _Rudipherous_, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 01:41 (thirteen years ago) link
respect to anyone listeing to hundreds of albums over the course of a year as ever - critics or not. even with spotify i'm only gonna manage about 100 and that's well above my norm.
― modrić in paradise (blueski), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 01:42 (thirteen years ago) link
word. i tried to listen to a lot of music this year & it sucked so i gave up
― flopson, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 01:44 (thirteen years ago) link
people who make enormous, 50+ album lists though, how many of those albums do they actually "connect" with or deeply love/would not rather just listen to their favourite couple songs off of
― flopson, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 01:46 (thirteen years ago) link
i only really deeply loved like, two or three albums this year. i think that's a good amount
― flopson, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 01:47 (thirteen years ago) link
i've "connected" with about 20 albums this year, i'd say? obv to varying degrees, but they're pretty much all keepers. then about another 20 that i'd say are definitely worth hearing. i lost track of how many albums i've heard this year a while back but i'd guess it's about 150.
that's about the same number of albums i usually "connect" with, definitely the year in which i've heard the most albums tho.
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 01:53 (thirteen years ago) link
20 is unthinkable to me but it is your job i guess. beginning to feel it's such a rare feat when an album is consistently engaging throughout, or is really deeply engaging for at least many songs, & it removes from the pleasure of listening to music (especially new) to be constantly searching for that
― flopson, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 02:03 (thirteen years ago) link
i do a top 20 albums every year so am gonna say....
20
― modrić in paradise (blueski), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 02:15 (thirteen years ago) link
(but real answer is 10, and i still hate albums)
― modrić in paradise (blueski), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 02:16 (thirteen years ago) link
someone find me some good asian year-end lists. feel bad that half the world is excluded from this thread.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 02:24 (thirteen years ago) link
man, i love albums. i'm sick that way. i listen to thousands every year. never gets old.
Hot Tub
man, i love albums. i'm sick that way. i listen to thousands every year. never gets old. --scott seward
Otm
― skrrr boi (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 02:30 (thirteen years ago) link
Lol at aborted hot tub time machine joke still making an appearance in that post
― skrrr boi (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 02:31 (thirteen years ago) link
it is strange that, with the thousands of albums released every year and freely-available via the internet, that there's anything approaching a concensus about the best albums of the year.
Too much choice = people retreat to old favorites. That's not a value judgment, either; I do it, everyone does it to some degree. But I don't think it's a coincidence that the more music there the less that gets covered.
― slow a cat sample down 800 percent (Matos W.K.), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 03:29 (thirteen years ago) link
"more music there IS"
― slow a cat sample down 800 percent (Matos W.K.), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 03:30 (thirteen years ago) link
For Scott, Top 100 Korean pop songs from Nov. '09 to Nov. '10: http://cassipeasworld.blogspot.com/2010/11/bugs-top-100-songs-for-2010.html
― slow a cat sample down 800 percent (Matos W.K.), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 03:32 (thirteen years ago) link
Also, Top 10 Anime Songs: http://www.lw-concepts.com/lw/?p=6422
Very interesting end-year chart (with sound illustration) at Pontone.
Here's the first part (50-34): http://pontone.pl/tones-of-the-year-2010-best-50-albums-vol-1-50-34/
the next one should be out today
― Patataj, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 05:27 (thirteen years ago) link
Pitchfork's Honorable Album Mentions:
Actress - SplazshBaths - Ceruleanceo - White MagicCurren$y - Pilot Talk / Pilot Talk IIDOM - Sun Bronzed Greek Gods EPDum Dum Girls - I Will Be Charlotte Gainsbourg - IRMGlasser - RingGold Panda - Lucky ShinerGrinderman - Grinderman 2Guido - AnideaLiars - SisterworldMale Bonding - Nothing HurtsMount Kimbie - Crooks & LoversPantha du Prince - Black NoisePerfume Genius - LearningSam Amidon - I See the SignSurfer Blood - Astro CoastSwans - My Father Will Guide Me Up a Rope to the SkyToro y Moi - Causers of This
― prolego, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 07:33 (thirteen years ago) link
ceo, pilot talk 1, charlotte gainsbourg, gold panda, liars, male bonding, pantha du prince, and surfer blood were all best new music, so a little surprising to see that none of them made the actual list
― kaygee, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 07:37 (thirteen years ago) link
Based on the list of albums she then pimps I think it's more a case of her not knowing that non-indie exists.― Tim Fif i wanted to read the "this is my personal top 10" list from someone who clearly has little understanding/interest of anything besides the most loudly trumpeted indie rock and the occassional Wire favorite, I could visit ANYONE'S BLOG ON EARTH. The fact that this appears on Dusted instead of somerandombullshit.blogspot.com doesn't change anything― skrrr boi (Whiney G. Weingarten)
if i wanted to read the "this is my personal top 10" list from someone who clearly has little understanding/interest of anything besides the most loudly trumpeted indie rock and the occassional Wire favorite, I could visit ANYONE'S BLOG ON EARTH. The fact that this appears on Dusted instead of somerandombullshit.blogspot.com doesn't change anything― skrrr boi (Whiney G. Weingarten)
Of all the boring personal top tens, why does this particular one draw such contempt? I don't know if she writes much outside of Dusted, but skimming through her stuff (http://dustedmagazine.com/writers/kelly), Kelly is no ignorant hack. She just has a preference for indie, psych and post-punk. Her list is hardly random -- she pretty clearly stated that they're her favorites. Since when is specializing a crime? Should we start bludgeoning the hip-hop and r&b crits who neglect country? Or call the metal writers ignorant fucks because they clearly have little understanding/interest of dance-pop? If one wanted an update on Brazilian albums here, you're all useless.
The whole indie backlash thing is kind of funny, but ultimately comes off as peevish and pointless. The way I see it, anyone who bothers to dismiss an entire genre of music most likely couldn't be bothered to listen to much of it and is in a weak-ass position to judge. Hearing and hating the Arcade Fire and the National is understandable, but ridiculing a writer for a top 20 that you probably hadn't heard more than a third of? Now that's some bullshit.
The Soft Pack certainly has no pretentions of being 'important' but it does have 7 excellent songs on it, which is more than one can say about many of the others topping this year's lists.
― Fastnbulbous, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 07:40 (thirteen years ago) link
the most loudly trumpeted indie rock and the occassional Wire favorite
Within the realm of trumpeted indie rock in 2010, her list is reasonably atypical. If anyone finds it completely humdrum content-wise (I'm talking about the specific albums chosen, not whether or not you personally find them any good), it's because you've probably heard as many or more records this year than she has. 8 of her 10 records aren't exactly commonplace in the blogspot circles.
― Lightning Is For Babies (Johnny Fever), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 07:47 (thirteen years ago) link
My issue was with her preamble not her content. Why ask "where is this year's merriweather post pavilion to unite us all" if you're not even interested in anything that falls outside of a pretty narrow sphere. It's the implied borders around "what matters", rather than what she actually likes, which gives off a blinkered indie rock critic vibe.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 08:35 (thirteen years ago) link
Resident Advisor: Top 20 albums of 2010http://www.residentadvisor.net/feature.aspx?1264
20. Prins Thomas - Prins Thomas [Full Pupp]19. The Black Dog - Music for Real Airports [Soma]18. Lindstrom & Christabelle - Real Life Is No Cool [Smalltown Supersound]17. Peter Van Hoesen - Entropic City [Time To Express]16. ASC - Nothing Is Certain [NonPlus+]15. Darkstar - North [Hyperdub]14. Bonobo - Black Sands [Ninja Tune]13. Oneohtrix Point Never - Returnal [Mego]12. Virgo - Virgo [Rush Hour]11. LCD Soundsystem - This is Happening [DFA]10. Matthew Dear - Black City [Ghostly International]09. Mount Kimbie - Crooks & Lovers [Hotflush]08. Scuba - Triangulation [Hotflush]07. Four Tet - There Is Love In You [Domino]06. Pantha Du Prince - Black Noise [Rough Trade]05. John Roberts - Glass Eights [Dial]04. Actress - Splazsh [Honest Jons]03. Shed - The Traveller [Ostgut Ton]02.Flying Lotus - Cosmogramma [Warp]01. Caribou - Swim [City Slang]
― O Permaban (NickB), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 08:37 (thirteen years ago) link
MPP did unite, though. It united people into two opposing camps!
― Lightning Is For Babies (Johnny Fever), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 08:38 (thirteen years ago) link
That John Roberts album sounds like it might be a good 'un, need to give that a shot.
― O Permaban (NickB), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 08:40 (thirteen years ago) link
Why ask "where is this year's merriweather post pavilion to unite us all" if you're not even interested in anything that falls outside of a pretty narrow sphere. It's the implied borders around "what matters", rather than what she actually likes, which gives off a blinkered indie rock critic vibe.
yeah, but "what ought to matter" is inseparable from "what you like," no matter who you are. indie rock critics aren't any more congenitally blinkered than other genre-bound voices. dance critics speak to dance partisans, rap critics to autogoon united, and so on. we all pretend, from time to time, that our private stomping grounds = that which matters. which is perfectly fine, afaic. i like kelly's list. it's personal, intelligent and engaged. i wouldn't list a single thing on it among my personal favorites, but so what? she's entitled to her enthusiasms, indie as they might seem.
― phish in your sleazebag (contenderizer), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 08:47 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, but "what ought to matter" is inseparable from "what you like," no matter who you are.
― phish in your sleazebag (contenderizer), Wednesday, December 15, 2010 2:47 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i disagree
― *plop*ism rules (deej), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 08:49 (thirteen years ago) link
so tell me all about the irredeemably awful (yet hugely important) shit that ppl ought to be paying attention to, iyo
― phish in your sleazebag (contenderizer), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 08:52 (thirteen years ago) link
imo, kanye is hugely important & kinda wack
― *plop*ism rules (deej), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 08:56 (thirteen years ago) link
imo, dj quik & kurupt last year was way dope but not v important
i like the kurupt & quik (mostly whatsha wan do) and the dark twisted fantayzee equally, but if i didn't like them personally, i wouldn't think of recommending them to anyone. i mean, i'm not the hague. i don't have to worry about objectivity.
― Today, if he makes a grunge (contenderizer), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 09:03 (thirteen years ago) link
and there's nothing nowhere near as good as whatsha wan do on MBDTBDMBTWDF
― Today, if he makes a grunge (contenderizer), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 09:05 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm in the middle of writing something on why there needs to be a moratorium on the word "important" because it's so awful & meaningless
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 09:05 (thirteen years ago) link
i don't have to worry about objectivity.
it's not about objectivity for critics either. or at least, it shouldn't be.
if a record is "important" for whatever reason and by whichever definition you use, this really does only become apparent after time has passed.
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 09:06 (thirteen years ago) link
^ supermanning it
― Today, if he makes a grunge (contenderizer), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 09:07 (thirteen years ago) link
Of all the boring personal top tens, why does this particular one draw such contempt?
i also agree with this - i don't care about the records on her list and find her tastes narrow and blinkered, yes, but no more so than ANY GIVEN PITCHFORK WRITER apart from their genre specialists
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 09:09 (thirteen years ago) link
sorry, i think some things are important
― *plop*ism rules (deej), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 09:18 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm not gonna get into it here cuz this is stuff i'm trying to work out in a piece that's on hold while i deadline-surf elsewhere today, but what do you mean by important, really?
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 09:22 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm sure i will come around when they are prying my guns from my cold dead hands
― Today, if he makes a grunge (contenderizer), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 09:23 (thirteen years ago) link
but what lex said: really?
and like, you're willing to bring this up wr2 dusted mag/indie fan critic who fails to pay proper respect to IMPORTANT THINGS, rather than ben chasny/rick bishop record that like 5K people are ever gonna hear, tops? we should all be talking about kanye records that you don't even like?
― Today, if he makes a grunge (contenderizer), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 09:27 (thirteen years ago) link
idgi contenderizer/lex, you are defending this writer when clearly she is upset that there were NO IMPORTANT ALBUMS THIS YEAR - which you say is critically wrongheaded!
The enemy of my enemy steez only gets you so far in music crit: just because she's not deej doesn't mean she is correct.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 09:57 (thirteen years ago) link
I think I'd hold with Dark Twisted Fantasy as "important" more than I would Merriweather Post Pavilion. One's the new album of one of the biggest pop stars in the world, the other is a record by a cult indie band that's deemed important because enough people in the right position say it is.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 10:04 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm not "defending" her tim, but she's not guilty of any more wrongheadedness than like three quarters of all other critics making EOY lists atm
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 10:08 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean, i think the critical culture is kinda fucked atm, but it's not just her propagating it
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 10:09 (thirteen years ago) link
"i'm in the middle of writing something on why there needs to be a moratorium on the word "important" because it's so awful & meaningless"
And "interesting" while we're at it.
― Carl Jung Jeezy (Doran), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 10:18 (thirteen years ago) link
"interesting" as a superlative doesn't carry the sort of weight that fuels several thousand words of year-end appraisal, though
― ITV2: Jimlectric Beglinoo (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 10:55 (thirteen years ago) link
Quite. Important is like a brick in the face. Interesting is like death by a thousand cuts.
― Carl Jung Jeezy (Doran), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 11:02 (thirteen years ago) link
― Tim F, Wednesday, December 15, 2010 1:57 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark
yeah, that's fair, but at this point i'd rather hear some indie-besotted "critic" mope about the lack of a consensus album (in light of unlistenable shit like MPP, even) than hear someone else bitch about same. we all have our threshholds, and i've hit mine.
― Today, if he makes a grunge (contenderizer), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 12:15 (thirteen years ago) link
okay, in all honesty, her list is boring as fuck, and her intro makes me wonder what planet she and i do not share, but w/e (enjoying "w/e" atm)
― Today, if he makes a grunge (contenderizer), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 12:20 (thirteen years ago) link
^^^yeah that
i have no interest in her list but seeing pitchfork writers pile on it is a bit "physician heal thyself"
(i know the writers in question aren't representative of their site's tedious narrow-mindedness but still)
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 12:22 (thirteen years ago) link
Kelly's piece hits on something (sorry, Doran) interesting but then doesn't explore it far enough, and makes some massive assumptions. I hate this idea that we're all pretending to like certain records, as if The Suburbs is scientifically proven to be the weakest Arcade Fire album (hand on heart, it's my favourite of the three). There's some truth in her second paragraph but I could say the same thing about MPP, which she obviously considers unimpeachable genius. She's in no position to throw words like "dishonest" around - it's the same trap as deej's polarisation of subjective opinion and truth in the Kanye thread. I dislike it when a critic dismisses "critics" en masse, as if only they can see through the veil (lex being the honourable exception just because I'm used to it by now).
― The baby boomers have defined everything once and for all (Dorianlynskey), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 12:25 (thirteen years ago) link
Boomkat's Top 28 Tracks of 2010 - part one
1. The Soft Moon 'Into The Depths' 2. Raime 'This Foundry Regis Version'3. DJ Elmoe 'Whea Yo Ghost At Whea Yo Dead Man'4. Joe 'Claptrap' 5. Hype Williams 'The Throning' 6. Antony Shakir 'Detroit State Of Mind' 7. Umberto 'Temple Room' 8. Mika Vanio 'It's A Muthang' 9. Keith Fullerton Whitman 'Generator 6' 10. Demdike Stare 'Hashashin Chant' 11. Pump 'The Wife Container' 12. Au Revoir Simone 'Tell Me' Villa Nah Remix13. Dadawa 'Know How You Stand' 14. Cold Cave 'Stars Explode'
― Carl Jung Jeezy (Doran), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 12:26 (thirteen years ago) link
Boomkat's Top 28 Tracks of 2010 - part two
1. Airhead & James Blake 'Lock In The Lion'2. BABE RAINBOW 'Care'3. Rene Hell 'IV'4. RAMADANMAN 'Tumble'5. oOoOO 'Burnout Eyess'6. Laurel Halo 'Embassy'7. LA Vampires & Zola Jesus 'Bone Is Bloodstone'8. IIBIIS ROOGE 'Skirling Birl'9. Teengirl Fantasy 'Floor To Floor'10. LUKID 'Boxing Club'11. SILENT SERVANT 'Sampler Silent Servant' (Regis Edit)12. PSYCHIC ILLS 'Mantis' (Juan Atkins Remix)13. ACTRESS 'Purrple Splazsh'14. RANGERS 'Airport Lights'
― Carl Jung Jeezy (Doran), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 12:30 (thirteen years ago) link
keep seeing oOoOOOooOOO or whatever their name is pop up in these lists - wish the ▲▲witch house▲▲ vote would go to white ring instead, soOoOOO much better
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 12:32 (thirteen years ago) link
It's the same guy right? I like both of them on record (and fostercare, Jokers Of The Scene and Gatekeeper for that matter) but White Ring were utterly awful live.
― Carl Jung Jeezy (Doran), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 12:34 (thirteen years ago) link
i guess the creep/romy xx single is coming out too late to place in these lists - wondering if i should hold off on nominating it for the ilx poll. why would anyone release a single on 20 dec, gah
xp i'm sure they're different acts - hang on, when did you see white ring live? i saw them at the nest, i thought they were ok! even if coming out to set their stage up beforehand ruined their ~horror movie ghost~ mystique a bit
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 12:36 (thirteen years ago) link
my problem is that i dislike it when critics speak to some universal "we" that they assume from out the vapour in order to validate (or contend with) their own tastes. like she is not she, but merely another node on the consensus-generating online readership chain. i'm not saying i don't like it when others agree with me, but i'm more than a little tired of contemporary deference to the rendered opinions of the info-cloud. fuck that. whatever world you imagine you inhabit is at best a tiny slice of reality as a whole, and more likely a figment of your own imagination. i'd rather share the music i like with my friends in the here and now than wait for some random blogger to tell me it's cool. [/toughguy]
― Today, if he makes a grunge (contenderizer), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 12:42 (thirteen years ago) link
re actress: how come no one keeps talking about "maze"?
― Today, if he makes a grunge (contenderizer), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 12:43 (thirteen years ago) link
dying to pick up that soft moon LP. singles so far have been devastating.
― Today, if he makes a grunge (contenderizer), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 12:44 (thirteen years ago) link
I saw them at The Ruby Lounge in Manchester during In The City. The music was amazing but the girl's vocals were so insanely out of tune (this is an open goal right here for witch house haters I guess) and grating.
It was fucking intense though. There was so much dry ice you couldn't see a foot in front of you and all the security at the front were freaking out because they reckoned they could hear someone screaming and being sick but couldn't find them.
I saw someone later in the evening who confirmed that they were stood next to someone who started screaming and vomiting.
Not that I use this as any kind of critical barometer you understand...
― Carl Jung Jeezy (Doran), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 12:45 (thirteen years ago) link
screaming & vomiting is hella critical barometer
― Today, if he makes a grunge (contenderizer), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 12:47 (thirteen years ago) link
oh plz are you seriously suggesting that I have forfeited the right to have an opinion on this stuff lex?
― Tim F, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 12:48 (thirteen years ago) link
disc is solid, top-to-bottom
― Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 15 December 2010 12:48 (thirteen years ago) link
Top 20 from the Americana Music Association (not a crit list, based on airplay)
1) Various Artists, Crazy Heart Original Motion Picture Soundtrack / New West 2) Rosanne Cash, The List / Manhattan 3) John Hiatt, The Open Road / New West 4) Carolina Chocolate Drops, Genuine Negro Jig / Nonesuch 5) Ray Wylie Hubbard, A Enlightenment B Endarkenment Hint There Is No C / Bordello/Thirty Tigers 6) Robert Earl Keen, The Rose Hotel / Lost Highway 7) Band Of Heathens, One Foot In The Ether / BOH Records 8) The Avett Brothers, I And Love And You / Columbia 9) Patty Griffin, Downtown Church / Credential 10) Reckless Kelly, Somewhere In Time / Yep Roc 11) John Mellencamp, No Better Than This, Rounder 12) Darrell Scott, A Crooked Road, Full Light 13) Merle Haggard, I Am What I Am, Vanguard 14) Alejandro Escovedo, Street Songs of Love, Fantasy 15) Willie Nelson, Country Music, Rounder 16) Lyle Lovett, Natural Forces, Curb/Lost Highway 17) Carrie Rodriguez, Love And Circumstance, Ninth Street Opus 18) Robert Plant, Band of Joy, Rounder 19) Paul Thorn, Pimps & Preachers, Perpetual Obscurity 20) Los Lobos, Tin Can Trust, Shout! Factory
― President Keyes, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 12:49 (thirteen years ago) link
Was hoping to see a token nod to Big Boi at number 20.
― The baby boomers have defined everything once and for all (Dorianlynskey), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 12:50 (thirteen years ago) link
they reckoned they could hear someone screaming and being sick but couldn't find them.
if i thought i could hear screaming at a witch house gig i'd just assume it was the band!
she doesn't do much "singing" though does she? just lots of oo-ooo-oooos and howls and screams.
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 12:52 (thirteen years ago) link
"they reckoned they could hear someone screaming and being sick but couldn't find them.
she doesn't do much "singing" though does she? just lots of oo-ooo-oooos and howls and screams."
Ah but there's good howling and screaming and bad howling and screaming though! It's like the bad versus good noise arguement...
― Carl Jung Jeezy (Doran), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 12:54 (thirteen years ago) link
Hey scott, since you asked about current Asian music, this will not lead you to an album list, or even an album, but you should go to youtube and search "tokyo ultra c" with the following song titles: Denpa Tsuushin, OSCA, Sounan & Shuraba,Zettaizetsumei, kimaru.
(Apologies, but not really, for being an obsessive fanboy. I don't really know about Asian music in general.)
― _Rudipherous_, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 13:41 (thirteen years ago) link
Kerrang top 20 of 201020. Electric Wizard - Black Masses19. Linkin Park - A Thousand Suns18. Motion City Soundtrack - My Dinosaur Life17. Stone Sour - Audio Secrecy16. Black Breath - Heavy Breathing15. High On Fire - Snakes For The Divine14.Grand Magus - Hammer Of The North13. Trash Talk - Eyes & Nines12. Jimmy Eat World - Invented11. Alkaline Trio - This Addiction10. Far - At Night We Live9. Against Me - White Crosses8. Melissa Auf Der Maur - Out Of Our Minds7. My Chemical Romance - Danger Days: The True Lives Of The Fabulous Killjoys6.Kvelertak - Kvelertak5. The Dillinger Escape Plan - Option Paralysis4. Bring Me The Horizon - There Is A Hell,Believe Me I've Seen It. There Is A Heaven, Let's Keep It A Secret3. Iron Maiden - The Final Frontier2. The Gaslight Anthem - American Slang1. Deftones - Diamond Eyes
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 13:58 (thirteen years ago) link
Top choices so far. Enjoyable lack of consenus I think:
Vibe, Spin, Rolling Stone, Stereogum, AV Club, Time, Dagbladet - KanyeRough Trade, Resident Advisor, Dots and Dashes - CaribouQ & Gigwise - Arcade FireUncut & About.com - Joanna NewsomMojo - John GrantPiccadilly Records - Gil Scott-HeronNME - These New PuritansKerrang! - DeftonesPopmatters - Janelle MonaeThe Wire - ActressThe Fly - FoalsPaste - LCD SoundsystemGorilla vs Bear - Beach HouseMusic OMH - The NationalDrowned in Sound - EmeraldsQuietus - LiarsRock-a-Rolla - SwansDecibel - AgallochLa Quenelle Culturelle - Kings of LeonGet Off the Coast - How to Dress WellAMA - Crazy Heart OSTClassic Rock - Slash
― The baby boomers have defined everything once and for all (Dorianlynskey), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 14:23 (thirteen years ago) link
auf der mer is still around? is the album worth listening to? she's like the indie rah digga
― irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 14:27 (thirteen years ago) link
haa
― patti ayonnaise (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 14:27 (thirteen years ago) link
she's like the indie rah digga
hahahahaha amazing
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 14:28 (thirteen years ago) link
does that make courtney love the indie lil kim? i guess the scary plastic surgery fits
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 14:29 (thirteen years ago) link
i've still got several albums to get through before i can even think about finalising my own EOY list - only just got round to diddy-dirty money, araabmuzik, san soda, keri hilson, mellowhype, natalie storm and r. kelly; got el debarge, the pretty reckless* and girlicious queued up for later today...
*yes, taylor momsen's band. the guardian interview w/her piqued my interest.
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 14:31 (thirteen years ago) link
San Soda album is pretty good and very 90s throwback but probably not likely to trouble yr end of year list.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 14:33 (thirteen years ago) link
courtney as the indie kim makes perfect sense. og awesome records to huge drop off, crazy plastic surgery, far more respected lover dead from mysterious gun shots
― irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 14:36 (thirteen years ago) link
constant bitching about younger rivals too
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 14:37 (thirteen years ago) link
Really really shocked to see that Swans won't place on Pitchfork's Top 50.
I still don't get the massive love for that Deftones record. Its good, this band has a really high level of consistently good output, but this is nowhere near as inventive and engaging as they have been in the past.
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 14:38 (thirteen years ago) link
well, probably people are comparing it to other records out this year and not other Deftones records
― "Kiss Players♥" (DJP), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 14:49 (thirteen years ago) link
I get that, I just mean none of their older records made this kind of showing on lists, it just surprises me.
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 14:52 (thirteen years ago) link
It's Kerrrang! though.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 14:52 (thirteen years ago) link
Its showed up pretty high on a couple other lists too. If it was just Kerrang! I wouldn't be thinking so much about it.
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 14:54 (thirteen years ago) link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Pony
White Pony received mostly positive reviews, garnering an aggregate rating of 72 on Metacritic.[7] Alternative Press ranked the album the second best album of the year 2000 and, subsequently, in their September 2010 issue placed White Pony in their list of the “Top 10 Most Influential Albums of 2000.” UK rock magazine Kerrang! named White Pony their third best album of the year behind Queens of the Stone Age’s Rated R and At the Drive-In’s Relationship of Command.
― "Kiss Players♥" (DJP), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 14:54 (thirteen years ago) link
Okay okay, nevermind.
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 14:55 (thirteen years ago) link
i agree the deftones album is same-level as most of their output. difference is, this album has a compelling back story -- band makes a new album, band member involved in car crash, goes into coma, band scraps new album, makes cathartic new album to reflect grief and anger and disbelief and every other feeling they are now having
(this will also make the scrapped album sell very well, and be more anticipated -- see how that works?)
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 15:04 (thirteen years ago) link
the pretty reckless**yes, taylor momsen's band. the guardian interview w/her piqued my interest.
lex, i gave you the benefit of the doubt and actually searched out and read the guardian interview, but can't say there was a single damn thing in there that piqued my interest in what her music sounds like
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2010/dec/08/taylor-momsen-gossip-girl-pretty-reckless
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 15:14 (thirteen years ago) link
how shocking that Lex would be deeply into a Heidi Montag look-alike who calls herself a product
― "Kiss Players♥" (DJP), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 15:17 (thirteen years ago) link
she doesn't look like heidi montag? and her image seems pretty different? fyi not even i could bring myself to care about montag's music
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 15:20 (thirteen years ago) link
that was an awful interview.
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 15:23 (thirteen years ago) link
She's been serving up idiotic quotes for at least a year now. I think one of the better ones was "I have no idea who Justin Bieber is. I listen to Led Zeppelin and The Beatles".
― abcfsk, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 15:34 (thirteen years ago) link
Cocaine Blunts Best Rap 2010
1. Rick Ross f/ Styles P – “BMF” (Def Jam)2. Kanye West f/ Nicki Minaj & Others – “Monster” (Def Jam)3. Young Dro – “Freeze Me” (Grand Hustle)4. Lil B – “Wonton Soup” (Internet)5. Waka Flocka Flame f/ Roscoe Dash & Wale – “No Hands” (Brick Squad/Asylum)6. Killa Kyleon f/ Z-Ro – “Swang Real Wide” (AMG)7. Soulja Boy f/ Gucci Mane – “Pretty Boy Swag (Remix)” (SODMG/Interscope)8. Lil Wayne – “Single” (Cash Money/Universal)9. E-40 f/ Too Short – “Bitch” (Sick Wid It)10. Tyler, The Creator f/ Hodgy Beats- “French” (OFWGKTA)11. Young L – “Young L-E-N” (Legendary)12. Curren$y – “King Kong” (Blu Roc)13. Starlito – “Alright” (Blu)14. Travis Porter – “Make It Rain” (Porter House)15. Cam’Ron f/ Vado & Kid Cudi – “Ur Killin Me” (Diplomats)16. Earl Sweatshirt – “Earl” (OFWGKTA)17. Wiz Khalifa – “Mezmorized” (Rostrum)18. Z-Ro – “Blast Myself” (Rap-A-Lot)19. French Montana f/ Curren$y – “So High” (Mixtape)20. Roc Marciano – “Thug’s Prayer” (Fat Beats)21. Alley Boy f/ Young Dro – “Tall” (Mixtape)22. Gucci Mane – “Long Money” (Mixtape)23. Yelawolf – “Pop The Trunk” (Interscope)24. Big Boi – “Shutterbug” (Def Jam)25. Plies – “Bruh Bruh” (Slip N Slide/Atlantic)26. Roach Gigz – “Respect It” (Thizz City)27. BOB f/ Playboy Tre & TI – “Bet I Bust” (Grand Hustle/Atlantic)28. Wooh Da Kid f/ Waka Flocka Flame – “Body Bag” (Brick Squad)29. Jay Electronica – “The Announcement” (Roc Nation)30. J. Stalin f/ Messy Marv – “HNIC” (SMC)31. YG – “Toot It And Boot It” (Def Jam)32. Lloyd Banks f/ Juelz Santana – “Beamer Benz Or Bentley” (G-Unit)33. Main Attrakionz – “Legion Of Doom” (Internet)34. Danny Brown – “Greatest Rapper Ever” (Rappers I Know)35. AG – “Infected” (Fat Beats)36. Kendrick Lamar – “Michael Jordan” (Top Dawg)37. Fat Trel f/ Wale – “E St. Flow” (Mixtape)38. Lil Boosie – “Top To The Bottom” (Trill Ent.)39. Lil Blood f/ J. Stalin – “Sell My Coke” (Livewire)40. Kingpen Slim f/ Jim Jones – “My Life Is a Movie” (Beam Up)41. Lupe Fiasco – “I’m Beamin” (Atlantic)42. Vado – “Large On The Streets” (Howie McDuffie)43. Domo Genesis f/ Tyler The Creator – “Rolling Papers” (OFWGKTA)44. Big Krit – “Country Shit” (Def Jam)45. Oschino f/ Meek Mill – “Laughin At Em” (Mixtape)46. Webbie – “My People” (Trill Ent.)47. Nocando – “Hurry Up & Wait” (Alpha Pup)48. Sean Price – “Figure Four” (Duck Down)49. Black Hippy – “Zip That, Chop That” (Internet)50. Nicki Minaj f/ Eminem – “Roman’s Revenge” (Cash Money/Universal)
― Number None, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 16:00 (thirteen years ago) link
I am still not feeling that Lupe track, although I don't hate it as much as I did on first listen.
― "Kiss Players♥" (DJP), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 16:04 (thirteen years ago) link
okay need to check out black hippy...
― scott seward, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 16:05 (thirteen years ago) link
okay now i'm a fan of that black hippy song. that didn't take long.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 16:10 (thirteen years ago) link
Man, I told all you goons Nocando was what's up
― patti ayonnaise (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 16:14 (thirteen years ago) link
Popmatters' Best Country Albums
10. Alan Jackson- Freight Train9. Randy Houser- They Call Me Cadillac8. Merle Haggard- I Am What I Am7. Laura Bell Bundy- Achin' & Shakin'6. Johnny Cash- American VI: Ain't No Grave5. Taylor Swift- Speak Now4. Elizabeth Cook- Welder3. Easton Corbin- s/t2. Willie Nelson- Country Music1. Jamie Johnson- The Guitar Song
― President Keyes, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 16:47 (thirteen years ago) link
cbrap list is the second i've gone ok i NEED to check that out
― irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 17:34 (thirteen years ago) link
Billboard:
10. Big Boi, "Sir Lucious Left Foot: The Son of Chico Dusty" 9. Rick Ross, "Teflon Don"8. MGMT, "Congratulations"7. Drake, "Thank Me Later"6. LCD Soundsystem, "This Is Happening"5. Beach House, "Teen Dream"4. Mumford & Sons, "Sigh No More"3. Robyn, "Body Talk"2. Arcade Fire, "The Suburbs"1. Kanye West, "My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy"
― "Kiss Players♥" (DJP), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 17:39 (thirteen years ago) link
lol at token shit uk pub folk (or whatever mumford is)
― modrić in paradise (blueski), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 17:41 (thirteen years ago) link
I am getting Beach House's acclaim less and less. I know it's just because I fucking hate them, but still.
― "Kiss Players♥" (DJP), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 17:47 (thirteen years ago) link
Ha, actually, all I'd heard before last night was "Zebra" and I was kinda like, "OK, this is nice, but..." and then I heard the two songs on Pitchfork's list and thought "Hey maybe I should check out the album."
― Zsa Zsa Gay Bar (jaymc), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 17:49 (thirteen years ago) link
Resident Advisor: Top 20 Albums of 2010http://www.residentadvisor.net/feature.aspx?1264
20. Prins Thomas - Prins Thomas19. The Black Dog - Music for Real Airports18. Lindstrom & Christabelle - Real Life Is No Cool17. Peter Van Hoesen - Entropic City16. ASC - Nothing Is Certain15. Darkstar - North14. Bonobo - Black Sands13. Oneohtrix Point Never - Returnal12. Virgo - Virgo11. LCD Soundsystem - This is Happening10. Matthew Dear - Black City09. Mount Kimbie - Crooks & Lovers08. Scuba - Triangulation07. Four Tet - There Is Love In You06. Pantha Du Prince - Black Noise05. John Roberts - Glass Eights04. Actress - Splazsh03. Shed - The Traveller02.Flying Lotus - Cosmogramma01. Caribou - Swim
― Moka, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 17:53 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, I'm happy to see Beach House on tracks lists but less so on album lists. They should just take up an official slogan like, "great songs, boring albums".
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 17:53 (thirteen years ago) link
first four songs on the Beach House album are great, starts to fade together after that
though considering that's exactly what I said about the Soft Pack and the Chap albums yesterday, maybe it's a listening problem on my part
― congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 17:54 (thirteen years ago) link
some remotely o_O picks on noz' list (no hands in top 5, ronan's revenge, monster #2) but i appreciate that he resists the urge to be a total contrarian snob all the time. he could definitely have made a more poised & cool list but he didn't
also interesting to see gucci at 22 when last year his number 1 was just a short list of gucci youtubes. i still don't think he really fell off (although he didn't produce nearly as much & the album was disappointing) but interesting to see how he's been so quickly put aside for new favourites. it's been a good year for noz discovering fledgling rap music though, cant blame him for getting all caught up in it
― flopson, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 18:11 (thirteen years ago) link
how is everyone even stealing that Robyn record, like every time i try to google for it i get like 9 different EPs
― patti ayonnaise (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 18:15 (thirteen years ago) link
his spurning of gucci felt ott to me, i think the buzz is still there its just diminished / returned more underground & less poised towards mainstream -- but he still released 3 albums this year!
― *plop*ism rules (deej), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 18:25 (thirteen years ago) link
its funny his lists are seeming MORE personal & less trying to be zeitgeist-y than ever before i think
― *plop*ism rules (deej), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 18:27 (thirteen years ago) link
2. Kanye West f/ Nicki Minaj & Others – “Monster” (Def Jam)
Probably the best way to credit the features on this track, really.
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 18:28 (thirteen years ago) link
Nicki Minaj + sundries - Monster
― modrić in paradise (blueski), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 18:30 (thirteen years ago) link
I just downloaded the three EPs and then made a playlist of the full-length.
― Zsa Zsa Gay Bar (jaymc), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 18:37 (thirteen years ago) link
― *plop*ism rules (deej), Wednesday, December 15, 2010 6:27 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark
could be, i can't remember anything too specific abt previous year's list. more i just think it kind of conflicts with certain arguments he's made over about like, going hard, rapping well, ppl overrating certain records
i find usually the top ~10 range of lists both personal & collective contain the worst music though, and i think almost everything is awesome past that point here too
― flopson, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 18:39 (thirteen years ago) link
*over the past year
deej how is noz overstating the argument of gucci falling off in any different way than you
― *plop*timist (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 18:54 (thirteen years ago) link
also a best songs list doesnt really play to gucci's strengths in 2010. not to mention that he shows up at number 7 for his verse on pretty boy swag
― /\/K/\/\, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 18:58 (thirteen years ago) link
Billboard:2. Arcade Fire, "The Suburbs"1. Kanye West, "My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy"
2. Arcade Fire, "The Suburbs"1. Kanye West, "My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy"
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― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 19:10 (thirteen years ago) link
resident advisor list is predictably great (emphasis on both "predictable" and "great" btw)
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 19:11 (thirteen years ago) link
The Resident Advisor list is great. We've got Virgo quite high in our reissues chart.
― Carl Jung Jeezy (Doran), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 19:15 (thirteen years ago) link
Kerrang!'s is surprisingly good as well.
slightly surprised caribou are #1 (thought it'd be actress or flying lotus) but yeah very good list as per usual
― prolego, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 19:18 (thirteen years ago) link
"no hands" is waka's biggest single but noz does seem like the first critic anywhere who's picked it as his favorite.
― some dude, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 19:23 (thirteen years ago) link
in no way is it better than "hard in da paint" obv but i think if you like "no hands" a lot & are putting together a list like this, i think "i like 'b.m.f.' better & i thought 'hard in da paint' felt repetitive" is a good enough argument to justify listing "no hands"
― *plop*timist (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 19:28 (thirteen years ago) link
by which i mean not that "hard in da paint" felt repetitive artistically (seeing as it came out first), but that it would feel repetitive to list one after the other
― *plop*timist (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 19:29 (thirteen years ago) link
― *plop*timist (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, December 15, 2010 12:54 PM (37 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
ha fair pt i guess its just a matter of degree
― *plop*ism rules (deej), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 19:33 (thirteen years ago) link
from what i've heard, "no hands" was a pretty big club hit in the south - i completely disagree with giving "bmf" props over "hard in da paint" but it's pretty good to see "no hands" getting recognition
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 19:34 (thirteen years ago) link
i.e. my top 40 will still have 4-5 gucci tracks (everybody lookin / what its gonna be / trap talk / its alive / long money)
― *plop*ism rules (deej), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 19:34 (thirteen years ago) link
no hands is a pretty big hit all over -- its more the pop crossover single than hard n da paint is
&, imo, its success sorta justifies its presence on the album (although i liked it prior anyway, it feels *better* as a result of being popular somehow)
― *plop*ism rules (deej), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 19:35 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah it's really one of the bigger rap hits of the year, period
― *plop*timist (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 19:35 (thirteen years ago) link
― *plop*ism rules (deej), Wednesday, December 15, 2010 1:35 PM (20 seconds ago) Bookmark
i mean i think this is true objectively -- like it's easier to put up w/ crossover tracks when they're actually successful -- by nature their presence is then justified, obv
take gucci's album for instance & you have all these r&b features that weren't even hits and it feels completely pointless -- "no hands" doesn't have the same problem
also i agree about it seeming "better"
― *plop*timist (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 19:37 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm surprised that "long money" is the gucci track that's cropping in lists. my gucci 5 of the year would be atlanta zoo/electricity/soldier/vampires/tired of you
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 19:39 (thirteen years ago) link
mine would be normal/first song back/it's alive/what's it gonna be/long money (w/ "pretty boy swag" & "i just wanna party" in there as classic features)
― *plop*timist (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 19:41 (thirteen years ago) link
there was another early year feature that i cant remember that i would include
― *plop*ism rules (deej), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 19:42 (thirteen years ago) link
sad about lack of love for 'trap talk' -- sell u a sack of leaves
gucci jack-off sesh is thataway, guys
― patti ayonnaise (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 19:43 (thirteen years ago) link
sorry, fam
― *plop*timist (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 19:44 (thirteen years ago) link
― patti ayonnaise (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 19:44 (thirteen years ago) link
Every track seemed to have a lot of different versions, so there's actually going to be a digital-only version of the album soon which will have some of those on there. I can't tell you how many versions of "Keep It Up" and "Baby Can't Stop" there are. It was really hard sometimes to pick which one to put on the album. -- Lindstrom
cant wait for this
― FLEETWOOD MAC OS THE XX FILES (diamonddave85), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 19:45 (thirteen years ago) link
Is anyone here a big Actress fan? I love a couple of tracks in the middle but don't understand the album-of-the-year love.
― The baby boomers have defined everything once and for all (Dorianlynskey), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 19:49 (thirteen years ago) link
it's one of those albums that sound nice when you're doing something else as far as i can tell - never got into it beyond that. though at the protests last week i was assured that repeated listens would reveal its true wonder. that person used the word "deleuzian" in all seriousness two minutes later, fyi.
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 19:51 (thirteen years ago) link
if you're ill atm i would imagine that's the ideal time to give it another go tho!
After a decade of reading bloggers talking about dance music, fuck "Deleuzian" and the Guattari it rode in on.
The James Blake album, however, is amazing ill-person music.
― The baby boomers have defined everything once and for all (Dorianlynskey), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 19:53 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm glad I didn't have to turn in a list this year because this collection of stuff I'm largely not familiar with would have blown it to bits: http://www.skatterbrain.org/2010/12/au-revoir-2010-songs.html
― skip, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 19:53 (thirteen years ago) link
― *plop*ism rules (deej), Wednesday, December 15, 2010 2:34 PM (32 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
iirc one of the 'rules' of noz's lists is that an artist can only be on the list once as a primary artist (although no limit to features), like there was only one gucci solo track on his list last year too
― some dude, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 20:08 (thirteen years ago) link
last.fm top 40 most scrobbled artists of 2010 list is uphttp://www.last.fm/bestof/2010/chart/40
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 20:09 (thirteen years ago) link
Love a few tracks off the Actress album (Lost, Always Human, Purrple), kind of admire a lot of the rest (its sense of purpose, its thoroughness), but don't really feel a pressing need to go back to it much.
― O Permaban (NickB), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 20:20 (thirteen years ago) link
― some dude, Wednesday, December 15, 2010 2:08 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark
i think this post was a response to me saying that deej made the same argument as noz in terms of gucci "falling off"
― *plop*timist (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 20:21 (thirteen years ago) link
the last.fm list is AMAZINGLY FUNNY
― "Kiss Players♥" (DJP), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 20:25 (thirteen years ago) link
clicking through forty pages though, unngh
― O Permaban (NickB), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 20:29 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah i guess i c&p'd the wrong deej post, i was really responding to what he said further up. either way.
― some dude, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 20:33 (thirteen years ago) link
just wait til you see the most popular act of 2010
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 20:34 (thirteen years ago) link
real world doesn't collide with ilx critics world
Wanna just tell us?
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 20:37 (thirteen years ago) link
you should really just go through the list
― "Kiss Players♥" (DJP), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 20:38 (thirteen years ago) link
you should, you will get a good laugh. Telling you who was #1 would spoil it for everyone reading here.
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 20:43 (thirteen years ago) link
most of the top 10 is hilarious!
― "Kiss Players♥" (DJP), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 20:44 (thirteen years ago) link
it's what the real kids out there listen to!
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 20:46 (thirteen years ago) link
villains.
― You're Twistin' My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy Man! (Ioannis), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 20:46 (thirteen years ago) link
no pretensions or anything, no trying to be cool, just what they listened to the most this year.
I plan on going through it, but I can't access it from work so it'll have to wait til tonight.
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 20:47 (thirteen years ago) link
i assume, in that case, that katy perry is no. 1.
that would be okay; she's no. 1 in my heart, too.
― Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 15 December 2010 20:50 (thirteen years ago) link
Actually she's #9
― "Kiss Players♥" (DJP), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 20:50 (thirteen years ago) link
well, that was certainly something or other. not quite sure what, tho. and no. one is otm.
― You're Twistin' My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy Man! (Ioannis), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 20:51 (thirteen years ago) link
omg no!
how can this be? katy perry will melt your popsicle.
― Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 15 December 2010 20:51 (thirteen years ago) link
oh awesome, it has a little graph for each artist that compares your own scrobbles of each artist with the overall ones
these are my contributions to last.fm's top 40 of the year:
Kylie Minogue - 20 playsMassive Attack - 47Drake - 27Alicia Keys - 118Miike Snow - 1Shakira - 35Beach House - 2Christina Aguilera - 127Katy Perry - 7Rihanna - 573Eminem - 1Ke$ha - 4
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 20:53 (thirteen years ago) link
This has the last fm top 10 for both the US and the world:
http://mashable.com/2010/12/15/lastfm-2010/
― several interesting cans of chili (askance johnson), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 21:06 (thirteen years ago) link
I always forget Last.fm is a UK-based site until I see stats like that.
Here are my contributions:
Kylie = 106Massive Attack = 33Drake = 73Black Keys = 1MGMT = 9Jason DeRulo = 2Yeasayer = 30Broken Bells = 10Alicia Keys = 2Tegan and Sara = 81*Shakira = 3Beach House = 4The National = 44Katy Perry = 5Rihanna = 12Eminem = 1Vampire Weekend = 55Gorillaz = 2Arcade Fire = 69Ke$ha = 9
*Possibly girlfriend-enhanced.
― Zsa Zsa Gay Bar (jaymc), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 21:25 (thirteen years ago) link
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lol love this
― *plop*ism rules (deej), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 21:26 (thirteen years ago) link
I am genuienly surprised that Beach House beat out Eminem, that seems incredible to me.
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 21:31 (thirteen years ago) link
there's still far far more US users than UK tho.
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 21:31 (thirteen years ago) link
b1ue5ki’s listening
This artist is not in your library... yet.
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― modrić in paradise (blueski), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 21:38 (thirteen years ago) link
I am genuienly surprised that Beach House beat out Eminem, that seems incredible to me.― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, December 15, 2010 4:31 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
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its almost as if last.fm is a site for people obsessed with defining their personality by letting everyone know their exciting and new musical tastes
― patti ayonnaise (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 21:41 (thirteen years ago) link
or maybe eminem's not really good anymore, and people like beach-house better?
― Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 15 December 2010 21:42 (thirteen years ago) link
or a combination of the two....?
― "Kiss Players♥" (DJP), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 21:43 (thirteen years ago) link
(i've never been on last.fm, fwiw; i don't like beach house, anyway, but let me tell you about this unsigned salsa noise act i've heard from kansas).
― Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 15 December 2010 21:44 (thirteen years ago) link
tons of ppl love eminem iirc it sold gajillions of copies
last.fm database is self selecting
― *plop*ism rules (deej), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 21:44 (thirteen years ago) link
whiney's zings are so predictable now... but i still lol'd in a major way
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 21:46 (thirteen years ago) link
whiney stop being so predictable
― Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 15 December 2010 21:46 (thirteen years ago) link
obv., j/k
― Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 15 December 2010 21:47 (thirteen years ago) link
How do those last.fm charts count though? I'm assuming they count all plays of the artist over the course of their set time frame, no matter what release. So, no one else finds it surprising that more people listened to Beach House than even all the old Eminem stuff?
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 21:54 (thirteen years ago) link
imagine how many Kesha plays were deleted
― modrić in paradise (blueski), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 21:54 (thirteen years ago) link
they measure it by plays from the actual album
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 21:55 (thirteen years ago) link
at least the ones with proper tags
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 21:56 (thirteen years ago) link
The Wire top 5005 Catherine Christer Hennix - The electric harpsichord08 John Tilbury & Sebastian Lexer - Last daylight09 Keith Fullerton Whitman - Disengenuity/Disengenuousness10 Kevin Drumm - Necro accoustic12 Annette Krebs & Taku Unami - Motobachii13 Sun Araw - On patrol16 Joe Colley - Disasters of self17 Richard Skelton - Landings19 Eleh - Location momentum
05 Catherine Christer Hennix - The electric harpsichord08 John Tilbury & Sebastian Lexer - Last daylight09 Keith Fullerton Whitman - Disengenuity/Disengenuousness10 Kevin Drumm - Necro accoustic12 Annette Krebs & Taku Unami - Motobachii13 Sun Araw - On patrol16 Joe Colley - Disasters of self17 Richard Skelton - Landings19 Eleh - Location momentum
Anyone heard these? Am having trouble finding any of them. I did check out 04 Rangers - Suburban Tours and 11 Sun City Girls - Funeral Mariachi last night, and are pretty good. Still marinating.
― Fastnbulbous, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 21:56 (thirteen years ago) link
xxxp http://playground.last.fm/unwanted, which is in a way more interesting me than the regular top artists
― /\/K/\/\, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 21:57 (thirteen years ago) link
13 Sun Araw - On patrol17 Richard Skelton - Landings
^Found these on emusic, but haven't checked them out yet
― sofatruck, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 21:59 (thirteen years ago) link
Got and like Sun Araw and Keith Fullerton Whitman. I don't smoke grass but if I did, I'd smoke a lot and listen to On Patrol and Disengenuity/Disengenuousness, while lying down somewhere.
XP
― Carl Jung Jeezy (Doran), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 22:00 (thirteen years ago) link
The Sun Araw is not very good, but the Eleh is pretty monumental
― patti ayonnaise (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 22:02 (thirteen years ago) link
Glad Actress got Wire's #1 its a worthy record, its kept creeping up on me all year. Richard Skelton made a quality album too. That one took me by suprise its so deep I'm still expoloring it, its like wandering around a foggy landscape not knowing quite where you are but always bumping into beautiful shit with every other step or soemthing...
― jimitheexploder, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 22:15 (thirteen years ago) link
on patrol is one of my favorites of the year, glad it's making lists. prefer it even to the more rocked-out heavy deeds, which seems to be everyone's go-to sun araw album.
― Today, if he makes a grunge (contenderizer), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 22:19 (thirteen years ago) link
Eleh - monolithic drones & tones; hard as granite, kinda hard to 'enjoy' tooRichard Skelton - mournful strings and environmental sounds, a really fucking beautiful and moving work; top 5 of the year for meSun Araw - a kind of ratty dublike mix of various fruity-sounding instruments and loops; pretty immersive of the whole, I like it fine
― O Permaban (NickB), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 22:22 (thirteen years ago) link
The Hennix is a shifting drone using (obv) electric harpsichord. it's fantastic. I also love the Sun Araw, maybe better than Heavy Deeds
― Dan S, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 22:26 (thirteen years ago) link
have heard other eleh, but never got the hang. stereo demonstrational drones. curious about richard skelton based on the comments here.
― Today, if he makes a grunge (contenderizer), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 22:27 (thirteen years ago) link
the first printing of the hennix cd/book I think is sold out from Die Schachtel, but aQ told me that they're reprinting
― Dan S, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 22:28 (thirteen years ago) link
More info on the Richard Skelton here:http://typerecords.com/releases/landings
― O Permaban (NickB), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 22:31 (thirteen years ago) link
not to try and start something, but I find it strange that our/FACT's albums of the year list gets criticised here for featuring Salem, Drake, Kanye and Darkstar in the 40 (amongst Ferraro, Rashad, Roc, Ettinger, Actress, Forest Swords, Altered Natives et al), while Resident Advisor (who i like, and in certain aspects look up to - particularly presentation) do one of the safest top 20s I can imagine, with everything either house, techno, or very house and techno-friendly, and it gets called great.
and Virgo in the RA 20 - amazing record, but it's a reissue. If you're putting that in you might as well put Neptune's Lair in.
anyway, main reason I posted is that our top 40 reissues list is up, it's probably the one we had most fun making:
http://www.factmag.com/2010/12/15/40-best-reissues-of-2010/
― tomlea, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 22:35 (thirteen years ago) link
i love how "Toxic" still manages to make that list in 2010.
and ha at people deleting Muse & Coldplay.
― prolego, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 22:36 (thirteen years ago) link
you know what, i just looked back and it was actually somewhere else they were really laying into the list, so that first post is a bit of an overeaction. ignore it, and just read the reissues list ;)
― tomlea, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 22:42 (thirteen years ago) link
I did say some shit about SALEM being on there but it wasn't exactly serious!
― Tina Tina Cheneuse (DJP), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 22:46 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah I think most people were commenting that the fact list was one of the better ones
― Dan S, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 22:48 (thirteen years ago) link
cant remember what i said about the fact list but keep in mind most rap fans here dont like drake, kanye, etc
― *plop*ism rules (deej), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 22:50 (thirteen years ago) link
but i bet they hate indie/rock/metal/country more so a list with any of that on it is bound to be hated on.
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 22:51 (thirteen years ago) link
quite the opposite iirc i was praising the classic rock list for not paying fealty to generic crit bait & criticizing the wire list for what i considered its lazy fallback to consensus on big boi
― *plop*ism rules (deej), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 22:54 (thirteen years ago) link
The Wire top 50 05 Catherine Christer Hennix - The electric harpsichord 08 John Tilbury & Sebastian Lexer - Last daylight 09 Keith Fullerton Whitman - Disengenuity/Disengenuousness 10 Kevin Drumm - Necro accoustic 12 Annette Krebs & Taku Unami - Motobachii 13 Sun Araw - On patrol 16 Joe Colley - Disasters of self 17 Richard Skelton - Landings 19 Eleh - Location momentumAnyone heard these? Am having trouble finding any of them. I did check out 04 Rangers - Suburban Tours and 11 Sun City Girls - Funeral Mariachi last night, and are pretty good. Still marinating.
05 Catherine Christer Hennix - The electric harpsichord 08 John Tilbury & Sebastian Lexer - Last daylight 09 Keith Fullerton Whitman - Disengenuity/Disengenuousness 10 Kevin Drumm - Necro accoustic 12 Annette Krebs & Taku Unami - Motobachii 13 Sun Araw - On patrol 16 Joe Colley - Disasters of self 17 Richard Skelton - Landings 19 Eleh - Location momentum
eleh = awesome, like Nick said, though, it's more of a mood piece, you gotta be in the right state of mind to listen to an hour of drones & tones with barely perceptible changes (at times)
sun araw = pretty good
haven't heard the KFW or Drumm but i'd trust anything those guys release, it's usually fantastic
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 22:54 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah i'm a hueg KFW fan and had no idea that record existed
― patti ayonnaise (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 22:55 (thirteen years ago) link
oh, i see
**Please be aware, this album is strictly limited, housed in custom printed outer-pvc with a design aesthetic worthy of the music contained within**
lol wire
― patti ayonnaise (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 22:56 (thirteen years ago) link
but yes deej, i wasn't meaning you when I wrote it.
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 22:59 (thirteen years ago) link
until it got reissued the Virgo album was like £200 or something for an OG copy wasn't it? I'd say that made it a fairly different proposition to 'Neptune's Lair', even speaking as someone who would keep releases out of lists like these
― ITV2: Jimlectric Beglinoo (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 23:03 (thirteen years ago) link
haven't heard the Tilbury/Lexer but from what I've heard it's largely a performance of a John Cage 1964 piece, Electronic Music for Piano. all of the Tilbury interpretations of Cage I've heard have been greatfwiw the cd is actually called "Lost Daylight"
― Dan S, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 23:03 (thirteen years ago) link
lol reissues not releases xp to self
― ITV2: Jimlectric Beglinoo (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 23:04 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah as i said i was actually thinking of another forum - 'pologies. was disappointed with the RA albums list tho, but then again, their singles one is usually better.
listened to Skelton's album quite a lot early this year but totally forgot about it until seeing it brought up here to be honest.
― tomlea, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 23:12 (thirteen years ago) link
Lists get criticised more for what thye put in than what they leave out: Resident Advisor largely respecting its "brief" makes it a safer list, as well as a relatively functional one, rather like those "progressive house tracks of 2010" style lists that juno does.
FACT's aesthetic is broader obv (and of course RA the past 2 years or so has been heavily influenced by it) which makes it more likely to be taken seriously as an actual across-the-board "best of the year" list but also leaves it more exposed to criticism. Also, lol Drake etc.
What's interesting about both FACT and RA's approach to list-making is the preponderous of "we" - "we loved this record in April", "we played this over and over again all year" etc. The frequency of such statements exceeds their use in, say, Pitchfork lists, by a considerable margin.
I wonder if this is a function of both sites being grounded in dance music - there's more of an assumption of communality and commonality, of records being judged based on their reception by an audience (of dancers, of critics) rather than by an individual.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 23:13 (thirteen years ago) link
I <3 Fact the lists are always bitter sweet though. Half of it always seems to be chaff like Kanye/Drake and generic indie. Then the other half is always on it and to my taste. Its one of the most interesting lists because of it though. None of the others really challenge what I'm listing to or throw up as many curvballs. Its hard for lists to not sound generic and Fact somehow breakout of that by being a bit divisive for me at least.
― jimitheexploder, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 23:14 (thirteen years ago) link
I remember in about 1999 Mixmag had this end of year special where they got a group of longrunning celebrity DJs and producers to sit around and talk about what was the best album of the year. As I recall Missy Elliot, Layo & Bushwakca and Felix Da Housecat were all nommed but the end result was Basement Jaxx, more by a process of elimination than anything else (one or two participants simply refused to countenance Missy for example). The assumption that there was a "community" whose consensus ultimately would be unitary and solid was unspoken but nonetheless taken for granted. If they'd chosen people with interesting points of view it would have been a really good piece actually.
Prob. the big difference with Mixmag is that its emphasis on the obvious meant that its use of "we" was/is less remarkable (in both a positive and negative sense - it makes sense, but also is very predictable). Whereas I find it curious to read write-ups of say Hype Williams that deploy we-speak.
Boomkat do this as well obv, with even more perverse results given their aesthetic focus.
I guess I find it odd because I'm such an "I" critic - not in the sense of being more egotistical, but in the sense of feeling largely disconnected from any kind of aesthetic community that might share my taste.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 23:37 (thirteen years ago) link
Well if we're posting our own reissues charts...
1. Various Artists - Cold Waves & Minimal Electronics2. The Fall - Strange And Frightening World Of... (Omnibus Edition)3. Suede - Best Of4. Omar Souleyman - Jazeera Nights5. Einsturzende Neubauten - Strategies Against Architecture IV6. Simian Mobile Disco - Delicacies7. Various Artists - Down To The Sea And Back8. Virgo - Virgo9. Various Artists - The World Ends: Afro Rock & Psychedelia in 1970's Nigeria 10. Liars - Live11. Ruth - Polaroid/Roman/Photo12. Various Artists - Pomegranates13. Godflesh - Streetcleaner14. Chris Carter - Spaces Between15. Various Artists - The Minimal Wave Tapes Vol One16. Miles Davis - Bitches Brew17. David Bowie - Station To Station18. Various Artists - Disco Discharge: The Pink Pounders 19. Various Artists - The Sound Of Siam: Leftfield Luk Thung, Jazz And Molam From Thailand, 1964 - 197520. Congotronics - Box Set21. Nick Cave And The Bad Seeds - Henry's Dream22. Juan McLean - DJ Kicks23. Wire - Send24. Wooden Shjips - Vol 2 25. Chris & Cosey - Heartbeat26. Various Artists - To Scratch Your Heart: Early Recordings from Istanbul27. The Cure - Disintegration28. Various Artists - The Exploding Disco Inevitable29. Shackleton - Fabric 5530. Various Artists - Rough Trade Synth Wave 1031. Various Artists - Palenque Palenque: Champeta Criolla and Afro-Roots in Columbia 1975-199132. A Certain Ratio - Force33. Optimo (Espacio) - Fabric 5234. Galaxie 500 - Today35. The Heads - Relaxing With The Heads 36. Charanjit Singh Synthesizing - Ten Ragas To A Disco Beat37. Various Artists - Isvolt38. Bardo Pond - Alvarius39. Jesus And Mary Chain - Upside Down40. Judas Priest - British Steel
― Carl Jung Jeezy (Doran), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 23:54 (thirteen years ago) link
We being the Quietus.
There's plenty of amazing stuff on the FACT list that I wasn't even aware had come out this year, like Dadawa for example. And someone just told me about some Syl Johnson anthology which I had no idea about.
― Carl Jung Jeezy (Doran), Thursday, 16 December 2010 00:06 (thirteen years ago) link
its cool that splazsh topped the wire list. that album is definitely the best permutation of the big 2010 trends that most dance music i heard this year was doing (manipulated r&b samples, warm buzz ambient, weird throbs, extreme attention to sonic detail). it sounds way cooler, really fresh and new. everything on it gets so deconstructed, at some points it almost doesn't make sense
― flopson, Thursday, 16 December 2010 02:07 (thirteen years ago) link
also super lavish and perfect sounding, it's got a really lean & economical sound. maybe that's what set it apart. a lot of pulsing going on but it's not all awash in reverb or something stupid
― flopson, Thursday, 16 December 2010 02:08 (thirteen years ago) link
And someone just told me about some Syl Johnson anthology which I had no idea about.
Speaking of which, there's a great writeup on Syl as part of the Dusted EOY series: http://www.dustedmagazine.com/features/942
― seandalai, Thursday, 16 December 2010 02:29 (thirteen years ago) link
Cokemachineglow:: Top 50 Albums 2010
― Fastnbulbous, Thursday, 16 December 2010 02:49 (thirteen years ago) link
this is one of the worst things i've ever read
Listening to Waka Flocka Flame is like hearing the voice of God (or what I imagine it to be): unbearably intense, packed with direct injunctions, and spoken in the third-person. It makes sense, then, that like the Old Testament, Flockaveli is full of commandments and terse assessments of its Creator’s chosen ones. Both are easy to dismiss as unreconstructed hogwash, yet both are nearly impossible to eradicate from the psyche of anyone who pays attention.
For both Waka and God, the indelicacy of divine order demands exegesis on the part of the follower. The Christian God transcends logic, leaving it up to Christians to parse His indelible Word for all time. In the same way, Waka Flocka is a being of impulse, one who explains nothing because, he convinces us, there is ultimately no explanation for anything. Explanations are how mere humans patch together their lives from one day to another in order to prevent the inchoate madness of the universe from driving them insane. Which means explanations change constantly. “When my little brother died, I said ‘fuck school’” is not an explanation. It is a demonstration, from its stomach-clenching delivery down to the hundreds of pages of memoir that are packed like an exploding star into its nine blunt words.
Of course, one could say that much of rap is predicated on the idea of words as innately powerful elements rather than signifiers, used intentionally to hold together, to empower tenuous existences. Waka Flocka, then, is pure rap. Vulnerabilities are directly referenced (“I fucked my money up, damn,” is how “Let’s Do It” begins) and then eradicated through a strength that is nebulous enough to seem like faith. There’s the ruthlessly self-edited simplicity of the lyrics—“Hit ‘em with the choppa / Call that shit hot lava”—that when censored, like Obi-Wan Kenobi, become even more powerful than you could possibly imagine. There’re the gigantic, unchanging loops that underpin every song; it’s like Steve Reich fed through a distortion pedal.
And finally, there’s the delivery, always urgent but never anxious. “Front yard, broad day with a SK,” he intones, measuredly, on “Hard in da Paint,” but there’s no gangster paranoia or forced social message in what comes out. The shortening of “broad daylight” into “broad day” feels more like an expansion, a celebration. Waka Flocka is a joyful creator, in full command of his idiom. It can be exceptionally uncomfortable to be in his presence, but that’s because there are volumes of knowledge, warning, celebration, and treatises on how to use gunshots as percussion inside Flockaveli. It’s enough to take into the desert for 40 days and come out glowing.
― *plop*timist (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 16 December 2010 02:52 (thirteen years ago) link
i don't really understand how people do 'best reissues' lists. is it just the best old albums that happened to get reissued this year, or is it purely about the package/remastering/added value/etc. or whether it's giving an underrated or undiscovered album it's due?
― some dude, Thursday, 16 December 2010 02:52 (thirteen years ago) link
x-post
I saw Syl Johnson awhile back (2009) as part of the Numero Group Eccentric Soul tour. Still has an impressive voice
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 16 December 2010 02:54 (thirteen years ago) link
disappointing to see only 3 of my top 10 for the year appear in any of these lists. not entirely surprised by best coast and besnard lakes, but i appreciated seeing lonelady get some attention
― midiverb II program 49 (electricsound), Thursday, 16 December 2010 03:04 (thirteen years ago) link
Pitchfork's top 50 albums50-21
50. Wavves - King of the Beach49. Wild Nothing - Gemini48. Forest Swords - Dagger Paths47. Women - Public Strain46. Matthew Dear - Black City45. Gil Scott-Heron - I'm New Here44. Kylesa - Spiral Shadow43. Tame Impala - Innerspeaker42. Drake - Thank Me Later41. Delorean - Subiza40. Abe Vigoda - Crush39. Best Coast - Crazy For You38. Rick Ross - Teflon Don37. Zola Jesus - Stridulum EP36. Emeralds - Does It Look Like I'm Here?35. Gorillaz - Plastic Beach34. Crystal Castles - Crystal Castles33. The Tallest Man on Earth - The Wild Hunt32. Tyler, the Creator - Bastard31. Woods - At Echo Lake30. The-Dream - Love King29. The Fresh & Onlys - Play It Strange28. The National - High Violet27. Four Tet - There Is Love in You26. Twin Shadow - Forget25. Sufjan Stevens - The Age of Adz24. Hot Chip - One Life Stand23. Das Racist - Sit Down, Man22. Girls - Broken Dreams Club EP21. The Walkmen - Lisbon
― Dan S, Thursday, 16 December 2010 06:09 (thirteen years ago) link
hardly any surprises. i'm not familiar with #32, disappointed the-dream/gil scott-heron/four tet/kylesa didnt do a bit better.
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Thursday, 16 December 2010 06:12 (thirteen years ago) link
that Tyler the Creator never got a review from them, from what I can tell
― Dan S, Thursday, 16 December 2010 06:17 (thirteen years ago) link
44. Kylesa - Spiral Shadow
lol @ this even being on that list
― markers, Thursday, 16 December 2010 06:21 (thirteen years ago) link
that kylesa album is dope
― franz kaptcha (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 16 December 2010 06:23 (thirteen years ago) link
yep
― markers, Thursday, 16 December 2010 06:24 (thirteen years ago) link
they killed it live too
22 strong condenders for the pfork top 20:
kanye westariel pinklcd soundsystemrobynbig boijoanna newsomjanelle monaedeerhunterbeach housesleigh bellstitus andronicusarcade firecaribouerykah baduno agehow to dress welljames blakeflying lotusgonjasufilocal nativesowen pallettvampire weekend
long shots, but a couple of these may appear:
julian lynchbroken social scenethe radio dept.the morning bendersfang island
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Thursday, 16 December 2010 06:25 (thirteen years ago) link
i swear i was minutes away from posting "hey ilxor, can you tell us what you think the top 20 will be" and then decided against it. and then like not even 5 minutes later look
― franz kaptcha (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 16 December 2010 06:26 (thirteen years ago) link
hahaha you know me too well ;)
last year i predicted the entire top 20 i think! can't seem to narrow it down past 22 yet, though.
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Thursday, 16 December 2010 06:28 (thirteen years ago) link
very happy to see so many of my favorites on the p4k list, as i know it'll do them some good: gil-scott heron, zola jesus, emeralds, tyler, woods, the-dream, fresh & onlys, twin shadow: all good to great. also, reading the blurbs made me want to check out forest swords, women, kylesa and abe vigoda. anyone here have opinions on those?
― a man called hearse (contenderizer), Thursday, 16 December 2010 06:29 (thirteen years ago) link
if i had to guess, i'd say two of these won't make it:
erykah baduhow to dress welljames blakegonjasufilocal natives
the other 17 of those 22 are locks
contenderizer: forest swords, kylesa are both excellent
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Thursday, 16 December 2010 06:30 (thirteen years ago) link
it is worth tracking down a copy tho if you like his stuff but tbh i can think of a # of more interesting releases that fucked w/ similar sounds/textures/'feelings'
p digusted that two of my records of the year are on the pfork list
― Lamp, Thursday, 16 December 2010 06:31 (thirteen years ago) link
fucking record isn't listed on his wiki page
― franz kaptcha (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 16 December 2010 06:33 (thirteen years ago) link
hardly any surprises. i'm not familiar with #32, disappointed the-dream/gil scott-heron/four tet/kylesa didnt do a bit better.― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Thursday, December 16, 2010 1:12 AM (17 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
that Tyler the Creator never got a review from them, from what I can tell― Dan S, Thursday, December 16, 2010 1:17 AM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark
Bastard is the only one of those 30 that I actually listen to.
― billstevejim, Thursday, 16 December 2010 06:37 (thirteen years ago) link
KFW'S disengenuity/disengenuousness LP for sale at his own distribution website, mimaroglu
― Dan S, Thursday, 16 December 2010 06:38 (thirteen years ago) link
yah i shouldnt clown you - dude released a tonne of stuff this year that i havent heard either.
srs qn 4 u tho - whats the most limited/hardest to get a hold of release youd put on a top x of 2010 list? like do you think theres a point in repping for stuff that was only put out in like a 30 cassette run or w/e? also did you hear the bj nilsen tape 'draught #1'? its crazy good & im kinda sad the wire seems to have missed it
― Lamp, Thursday, 16 December 2010 06:46 (thirteen years ago) link
I remember 2 years ago a couple of angry readers writing to The Wire to complain about an item in their top 50 that was released in only 200 or so copies on cdr (Christina Carter's Masque Femine), making it all but impossible to hear
― Dan S, Thursday, 16 December 2010 06:52 (thirteen years ago) link
i see on wikipedia that Tyler the Creator is part of Odd Future Wolf Gang Kill Them All in LA. I really liked the Earl Sweatshirt album. ...will download this
― Dan S, Thursday, 16 December 2010 06:55 (thirteen years ago) link
is Transference not going to make the Top 50?
― World Series champion San Francisco Giants (Bee OK), Thursday, 16 December 2010 06:59 (thirteen years ago) link
I doubt it
― markers, Thursday, 16 December 2010 07:07 (thirteen years ago) link
srs qn 4 u tho - whats the most limited/hardest to get a hold of release youd put on a top x of 2010 list? like do you think theres a point in repping for stuff that was only put out in like a 30 cassette run or w/e? also did you hear the bj nilsen tape 'draught #1'? its crazy good & im kinda sad the wire seems to have missed it― Lamp, Thursday, December 16, 2010 1:46 AM (31 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― Lamp, Thursday, December 16, 2010 1:46 AM (31 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
I mean, for a personal list it could be as small as you like—if it hits you, it hits you. That' an imperfect science. i remember having the Father's Day CD-R on a list once.
But like when an entire staff of a magazine stumps for some tiny thing, it def feels a little disingenuous. Like when you turn from "these are my personal faves" to "this is the authoritiative best" it def seems like posturing to hang that banner on something an artist only thought was worth 200 copies.
Personally it's really hard for me to hear small run stuff anyway. Small-run noise is for serious obsessives, and i'm always fracturing my listening into like Ciara and Jamey Johnson and Salif Keita and Vado. Like there's too much to listen for me to get really bogged down in Pwin Teaks' 15 copy cassette or whatev. (though i did buy a 200-run Eluvium CD which is v nice)
― franz kaptcha (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 16 December 2010 07:26 (thirteen years ago) link
wtf is a beach house anyway? never even heard the name before these lists
― o let's not do it and say we did (The Reverend), Thursday, 16 December 2010 07:34 (thirteen years ago) link
indie
― *plop*ism rules (deej), Thursday, 16 December 2010 07:35 (thirteen years ago) link
and why are people consistently putting the caribou record over four tet's when the latter does the same things way better?
― o let's not do it and say we did (The Reverend), Thursday, 16 December 2010 07:35 (thirteen years ago) link
well ime stuff that gets put out in limited runs isnt necessarily stuff that 'the artist' only wanted 200 (or 50 or 500) to hear! & then there are great labels to put out limited runs for 'philosophical' (uh speaking broadly) reasons - feels unfair to 'penalize' these releases some of which are incredible.
idk i guess i do get the idea that if the entire staff of your mag is listening to the same limited run cdrs u probably need to expand your bubble but i thought it was interesting you seemed annoyed/contemptuous of the wire listing a 500 run lp (which lol is a 'bigger' release than a quarter of my top 20)
― Lamp, Thursday, 16 December 2010 07:41 (thirteen years ago) link
I've always suspected that there's a lot of good faith in Dan because of how good Caribou are live. I like Swim enough but it just doesn't compare to how amazing it can be watching them live (and I've seen them play in shops, bars, at festivals, on big and small stages and they've always been superb). It's kind of the opposite with Four Tet (although personally I've not really liked that much by him on record for about six years); y'know, you've bought some artisan bread from the food market, you've been to see the Rothko retrospective at the Tate, you've been shopping for first edition hardbacks in Foyles and you've got time to fit in a rave before you go to a dinner party in the evening. Oh goodie! Keiren Hebden's manning the ones and twos.
What's wrong with some Cornish acid you slags?
― Carl Jung Jeezy (Doran), Thursday, 16 December 2010 08:50 (thirteen years ago) link
Keiran Hebden, sorry. And while I'm in apologizing mode... I'd like to offer my sincere apologies and condolences to American posters on behalf of the entire UK re: Piers Morgan.
Unless it was some horrific nightmare I was having this morning when the news came on my alarm radio, it appears he's taking over from Larry King on CNN. It's not like CNN is a good station or even that Larry King was a great interviewer but it still fills my heart full of woe to think of that obsequious thunder cunt in gainful employment on your television. And the only respite from this depression can be gained by imagining some strong and honourable colonials shanking him in the fucking neck with broken glass.
― Carl Jung Jeezy (Doran), Thursday, 16 December 2010 08:56 (thirteen years ago) link
― *plop*ism rules (deej), Wednesday, December 15, 2010 11:35 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
what kind of indie?
― o let's not do it and say we did (The Reverend), Thursday, 16 December 2010 09:00 (thirteen years ago) link
XP - Some Dude: Compilations make up the main part of our list, and for the most part these usually comprise of scenes that are new (Isvolt); genres that are new to us (Cold Waves And Minimal Tapes, Palenque Palenque); old albums that were in the main unknown due to their rarity (Virgo 4, The Spaces Between); compilations that have just been the soundtrack to our everyday work (Pink Pounders, Delicacies); great mixes (Shackleton) - although this is a real crap shoot... we forgot to include the great Ninja mix by King Cannibal and next year (touch wood) we'll probably include mix tapes or do a separate mix tape chart.
For actual greatest hits or classic albums there aren't that many and I can justify most of them being there. For example Station To Station comes with an amazing double live album from 1974 that towers above David live and no-one stans passionately for S2S... why is this? It's one of his best albums.
Out of the others? Well, I just love Bitches Brew (if it had been Live Evil, Get Up With It, Black Beauty etc they would have featured instead) and we had a big feature this year with a lot of rock stars discussing their favourite Davis albums so it felt right for the site.
I feel a bit uncomfortable about the Suede one being so high but the other two love it and play it on constant rotation so what are you going to do...
And finally who wouldn't have Streetcleaner or British Steel in their reissues of the year? Who?
― Carl Jung Jeezy (Doran), Thursday, 16 December 2010 09:11 (thirteen years ago) link
xpost to Tim F I wonder if this is a function of both sites being grounded in dance music - there's more of an assumption of communality and commonality, of records being judged based on their reception by an audience (of dancers, of critics) rather than by an individual.
One thing I remember fondly about working at Mixmag and Muzik 1996-99 was exactly that communality - there were all these different specialist niches but everyone in the office could agree on the big drum'n'bass, house, techno or hip hop anthem. And because we were all going to clubs, we'd seen these tunes in action and could talk confidently about "we" in a way that I never could now. And I wasn't using internet messageboards then so I don't remember much bickering or nitpicking about whether so-and-so tune deserved its place. It was a really pleasurable consensus - for me at least.
― The baby boomers have defined everything once and for all (Dorianlynskey), Thursday, 16 December 2010 10:50 (thirteen years ago) link
I realised recently the only mag on the shelves that I can read without feeling pandered or sold to is Mixmag these days.
― Bernard V. O'Hare (dog latin), Thursday, 16 December 2010 12:58 (thirteen years ago) link
i stopped reading mixmag about 8 or 9 years ago, got sick to death of all the drug survey crap and ibiza specials all the fucking time. Has it improved? I must have a good few hundred issues up in the loft along with Muzik & Mojo. Sadly all my 90s nme/melody makers were thrown out.
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Thursday, 16 December 2010 13:11 (thirteen years ago) link
no-one stans passionately for S2S
waht
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 16 December 2010 13:16 (thirteen years ago) link
Sister2Sister?
― Tim F, Thursday, 16 December 2010 13:21 (thirteen years ago) link
AG - I don't buy it all the time, but yeah they do an annual drug survey. Maybe not so much concentration on the Tall Paul/Ibiza scene as before, but that's the music climate for you.
― Bernard V. O'Hare (dog latin), Thursday, 16 December 2010 13:43 (thirteen years ago) link
I've just lost touch with dance music the last 5 years apart from some IDM, i've never been a clubber so I guess mixmag just isn't aimed at me, despite me buying it for years and years throughout the 90s.
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Thursday, 16 December 2010 13:47 (thirteen years ago) link
Really glad to see Richard Skelton getting some attention here, but I'm still a little confused as to what it's doing on 2010 lists - I just checked back and it was my number one album of 2009. Guess it got a larger-scale reissue this year?
― toby, Thursday, 16 December 2010 13:48 (thirteen years ago) link
Although even my vinyl copy (on Type) is 2009, by the looks of it. Weird. Perhaps the Type CD issue is 2010?
― toby, Thursday, 16 December 2010 13:49 (thirteen years ago) link
― o let's not do it and say we did (The Reverend), Thursday, December 16, 2010 4:00 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
moody, dreamy ballads w/female singer. occasionally brilliant, somewhat boring.
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 16 December 2010 13:59 (thirteen years ago) link
i've only just realised that beach house and best coast are separate acts. and that i have apparently heard "gila" by beach house because it's on trentemøller's excellent harbour boat trips compilation from 2009.
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Thursday, 16 December 2010 14:01 (thirteen years ago) link
Thoughts on CMG's Salem write-up?
Sometimes discourse just gets in the way. King Night was doomed from the outset to be a victim of its creators’ sudden popularity, arriving as it did as the unofficial inaugural work of a micro-genre despised before it even fully emerged. “Witch house,” like chillwave before it, seemed like a bad joke to everyone before anyone really knew what it was, and in its turn was deemed both trending topic and dead on arrival at the same time. The tragedy here, of course, is that many of the bands who are said to compose the label are genuinely great, and as a fresh, distinctive aesthetic the genre itself strikes me as incredible exciting: King Night, along with Grimes’ Halfaxa and, to a lesser extent, How To Dress Well’s Love Remains, simply doesn’t sound like anything else out there. Salem boast a wealth of identifiable influences, sure—the most notable (and widely cited) being DJ Screw—but with King Night they’ve managed to accomplish something so rare that hearing it for the first time is a minor revelation: they’ve managed to create something new.
They also managed to produce one of the most divisive album of the year, which ended up being to their own detriment. Those put-off or repelled at first glance—this is jarring, sometimes unnerving stuff, after all—took to derision fiercely, and any murmurs of a positive critical response only increased the fervor with which detractors of the band, as well as the trending microgenre altogether, railed against it. That scorn eclipsed the music right from the beginning, demanding in turn that everyone register an opinion immediately. And so poor King Night, a record with much to parse beyond its Houston-cum-Halloween exterior, gets rejected out of hand, dismissed as too-trendy freakshow crap. We’re the ones who lose, though—not because we miss out on a remarkably singular new album (though if you skipped King Night, you really are missing out), but because we continue to allow bullshit white noise to impede our ability to not only enjoy but even just listen to music.
Calum Marsh
I understand his point, but he does little to support the idea that the album itself is worth listening to.
― Indexed, Thursday, 16 December 2010 14:10 (thirteen years ago) link
i agree that it's bullshit when "the conversation" drowns out the music. i don't think dj screw is the most notable reference point! salem are most tolerable when they have nothing to do with screw. and i don't think NEWNESS and INNOVATION are really its selling points (to me, anyway).
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Thursday, 16 December 2010 14:14 (thirteen years ago) link
we continue to allow bullshit white noise to impede our ability to not only enjoy but even just listen to music.
Being one of the most visible detractors of Salem, I got a lot of ppl saying "Just LISTEN to the album." Of course, I DID listen to the album and the lazy, passionless bullshit I heard made me just hate them even more than when they were just a lol Fader Fort band.
― franz kaptcha (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 16 December 2010 14:16 (thirteen years ago) link
don't agree at all - Four Tet is mostly just pleasant loops but i like even Hannibal more than anything on There Is Love In You apart from maybe Angel Echoes. obv i don't have much of a problem with Snaith's singing tho.
― modrić in paradise (blueski), Thursday, 16 December 2010 14:21 (thirteen years ago) link
Am genuinely unsure as to why people would think that the Caribou and Four Tet albums sound anything alike tbh - seems more like lazy grouping to me.
― toby, Thursday, 16 December 2010 14:32 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, the Type CD didn't come out until January:http://www.discogs.com/Richard-Skelton-Landings/master/212852
― O Permaban (NickB), Thursday, 16 December 2010 14:36 (thirteen years ago) link
The Four Tet album is closer to the Gold Panda album than it is to Caribou. Mind you I am a Caribou hater whereas the other two are pleasant enough.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 16 December 2010 14:40 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah this is an interesting topic. i really object to the "this old album/random mix CD/thing that was passed around between 10 of my friends is my album of the year" thing but i feel like as long as a record was available to the public in some capacity it should be fair game. the best show i saw all year was this little no-name North Carolina band, they were giving away a CD-r of their debut album at the merch table, but the CD wasn't burned right and wouldn't play in my player, then a couple weeks later they put a download link on their Facebook page and i got the album. i thought about putting it in my top 10 but ultimately decided against it, more because the record isn't quite as good as the live show than because i was squeamish about repping for something so obscure though.
― some dude, Thursday, 16 December 2010 14:43 (thirteen years ago) link
but then i do a lot of local coverage for the Baltimore alt-weekly and with that stuff i have no compunction about going as obscure as possible if i think the best stuff is being overlooked. our local top 10 this year had some stuff that's not even well known around town, and no boring-ass Beach House thank god.
― some dude, Thursday, 16 December 2010 14:44 (thirteen years ago) link
reading the blurbs made me want to check out forest swords, women, kylesa and abe vigoda. anyone here have opinions on those?
That Abe Vigoda album is one of my favorites from this year. It's exactly the right blend of pop and moody post-punk noodling.
― Tina Tina Cheneuse (DJP), Thursday, 16 December 2010 14:47 (thirteen years ago) link
Kylesa album is great. Though, being a metal record championed by lots of indie rock sites, of course the last album is better then the one that's actually getting attention (other examples of this phenomenon: baroness, pig destroyer, mastodon, fucked up, etc etc ect)
― franz kaptcha (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 16 December 2010 14:54 (thirteen years ago) link
like do you think theres a point in repping for stuff that was only put out in like a 30 cassette run or w/e?
yeah of course, if it's good enough! agree w/shipley re: random mix cds though. one of the contenders for my EOY ballot is an album by an argentinian cumbia rapper that afaik she just dumped on her fbook page.
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Thursday, 16 December 2010 14:55 (thirteen years ago) link
princesa's más fuego btw - check it out, it's great - http://www.facebook.com/pages/Princesa/50457721134
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ej8s1wgGMIQ
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Thursday, 16 December 2010 14:56 (thirteen years ago) link
(though i did buy a 200-run Eluvium CD which is v nice)
whiney, what is this?? (and why do i not have a copy ;_;)
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Thursday, 16 December 2010 14:58 (thirteen years ago) link
Though, being a metal record championed by lots of indie rock sites, of course the last album is better then the one that's actually getting attention (other examples of this phenomenon: baroness, pig destroyer, mastodon, fucked up, etc etc ect)
Yeah that happens a lot, not just in metal. Band in niche genre puts out great album, gets lots of love from genre enthusiasts, makes some year-end lists or blog hype or whatever, builds up enough buzz that the next album actually gets heard out side the genre. (Major metal exception I can think of in recent years is Torche, because even after going back and listening to all the earlier stuff, I still like Meanderthal best.) But yeah, if you're not following a genre closely, the first album you hear of by someone in the genre is probably the one after their actual great record.
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 16 December 2010 15:05 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, but there's no real excuse. These aren't like little DIY Tame Impala underground bands finally getting a break, they're decent sized metal bands on big labels (the ones I named did their best work on Prosthetic, Relapse, Relapse, Relapse, Jade Tree) who are ostensibly sending these writers the same promos I'm getting.
― franz kaptcha (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 16 December 2010 15:17 (thirteen years ago) link
I think the new Kylesa is a huge step up from the last one.
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 16 December 2010 15:20 (thirteen years ago) link
i prefer static tensions but there's really not much of a diff between them
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 16 December 2010 16:42 (thirteen years ago) link
― Carl Jung Jeezy (Doran), Thursday, 16 December 2010 08:56 (7 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
omg ew end world plz now
― irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 16 December 2010 17:09 (thirteen years ago) link
that princesa is awesome.
― The Reverend, Thursday, 16 December 2010 18:33 (thirteen years ago) link
wish i could d/l the full thing
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, December 16, 2010 7:20 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark
and the blue record's easily my favorite baroness since first, sometimes critics united gets it right
― a man called hearse (contenderizer), Thursday, 16 December 2010 22:45 (thirteen years ago) link
I preferred blue to red (though the 1st 2eps are still by far the best thing they did, which meant a lot of us were disappointed with red)
Kylesa has split their fanbase with this one. Some of the sludge/punk (VLV crew) fans hated it but their more alt-rock fans love it.
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Thursday, 16 December 2010 22:51 (thirteen years ago) link
Seeing/hearing "Mas Fuego" for the first time and I like it.
― _Rudipherous_, Thursday, 16 December 2010 23:00 (thirteen years ago) link
For anyone that might be interested the SOMB Compilations/Re-issues results are at http://www.soundopinions.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=23737 and the EP countdown is being done now at http://www.soundopinions.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=23739
― Mitchell Stirling, Thursday, 16 December 2010 23:19 (thirteen years ago) link
lol at this exchange on cocaineblunts courtesy of our boston phoenix rap listmaker:
Chris Faraone Says: December 16th, 2010 at 11:44 am LOLOLOL. You shit on my list and come with this? E-40! Lil Wayne!! Soulja Boy!!! I’m not even offended any more. Cracking up over here. ChickenBone Says: December 16th, 2010 at 1:28 pm Oh god, this Chris Faraone list is a howler. Please check it if you want to see the definition of a rap Republican. Can’t believe this guy actually found 100 songs from this year that are still stuck in the late-Nineties rap mentality. Move on! Faraone why do you even check this site when you can get all your ninth-generation Wu-Tang joints and hot fire C-Rayz Walz tapes at 2 Dope Boyz and Okayplayer????? noz Says: December 16th, 2010 at 5:29 pm I don’t even know who Chris Faraone is nor have I “shitted” on anyones list. nico Says: December 16th, 2010 at 6:42 pm http://thephoenix.com/Boston/music/112769-100-essential-hip-hop-tracks-for-2010/dude seems to think since an anonymous poster dissed his shit and linked this cbrap article that you, yourself, noz are the one dissin! What an idiot! I mean, look at his list and then examine his logic in believing he was attacked by noz… what an erb.
December 16th, 2010 at 11:44 am LOLOLOL. You shit on my list and come with this? E-40! Lil Wayne!! Soulja Boy!!! I’m not even offended any more. Cracking up over here.
ChickenBone Says:
December 16th, 2010 at 1:28 pm Oh god, this Chris Faraone list is a howler. Please check it if you want to see the definition of a rap Republican. Can’t believe this guy actually found 100 songs from this year that are still stuck in the late-Nineties rap mentality. Move on! Faraone why do you even check this site when you can get all your ninth-generation Wu-Tang joints and hot fire C-Rayz Walz tapes at 2 Dope Boyz and Okayplayer?????
noz Says:
December 16th, 2010 at 5:29 pm I don’t even know who Chris Faraone is nor have I “shitted” on anyones list.
nico Says:
December 16th, 2010 at 6:42 pm http://thephoenix.com/Boston/music/112769-100-essential-hip-hop-tracks-for-2010/
dude seems to think since an anonymous poster dissed his shit and linked this cbrap article that you, yourself, noz are the one dissin! What an idiot! I mean, look at his list and then examine his logic in believing he was attacked by noz… what an erb.
― dirty *plop* (The Reverend), Friday, 17 December 2010 05:08 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm actually down to listen to that. if u think about it there must be at least a few really great 90's throwback tracks made each year, like probalistically speaking it must be so, enough people doing it you figure a few of them would get lucky
― flopson, Friday, 17 December 2010 05:15 (thirteen years ago) link
this is fun & pretty lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0-xkQD5VaE&feature=player_embedded#at=52
― flopson, Friday, 17 December 2010 05:17 (thirteen years ago) link
the best list would prolly be one that's 3/4 noz and 1/4 Farone
― franz kaptcha (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 17 December 2010 05:18 (thirteen years ago) link
Faraone Monch
― flopson, Friday, 17 December 2010 05:18 (thirteen years ago) link
hot fire C-Rayz Walz
― return of the nakh (J0rdan S.), Friday, 17 December 2010 05:20 (thirteen years ago) link
maybe like 1/8, lots of garbage here
― flopson, Friday, 17 December 2010 05:20 (thirteen years ago) link
anyway, more evidence that the boston phx list has no excuse
But while Drake's personal life is undoubtedly inextricable from Thank Me Later, you don't need to be a celebrity to relate to it-- just someone who's ever felt dissatisfied with society's idea of success. --Ian Cohen
hmm
― flopson, Friday, 17 December 2010 05:24 (thirteen years ago) link
Surprised to see The Radio Dept. didn't even get acknowledged even in the honorable mentions by p4k but i guess i have to thank them for putting me onto Clinging to a Scheme earlier in the year.
― du mein bestie (micarl), Friday, 17 December 2010 06:04 (thirteen years ago) link
Pitchfork's top 50 albums of 201020-1
20. Oneohtrix Point Never - Returnal19. How to Dress Well - Love Remains18. Erykah Badu - New Amerykah Part Two: Return of the Ankh17. Caribou - Swim16. Sleigh Bells - Treats15. Robyn - Body Talk14. Flying Lotus - Cosmogramma13. No Age - Everything in Between12. Janelle Monáe - The ArchAndroid11. Arcade Fire - The Suburbs10. Titus Andronicus - The Monitor09. Ariel Pink's Haunted Graffiti - Before Today08. James Blake - The Bells Sketch EP / CMYK EP / Klavierwerke EP07. Joanna Newsom - Have One on Me06. Vampire Weekend - Contra05. Beach House - Teen Dream04. Big Boi - Sir Lucious Left Foot: The Son of Chico Dusty03. Deerhunter - Halcyon Digest02. LCD Soundsystem - This Is Happening01. Kanye West - My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy
― Dan S, Friday, 17 December 2010 06:09 (thirteen years ago) link
the photos look great on that spread
― franz kaptcha (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 17 December 2010 06:15 (thirteen years ago) link
they do!
― Dan S, Friday, 17 December 2010 06:17 (thirteen years ago) link
btw whiney I enjoyed your takedown of "trap door" in the VV today. I thought that track might end up at #1
― Dan S, Friday, 17 December 2010 06:34 (thirteen years ago) link
aw, thanks man. <3
― franz kaptcha (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 17 December 2010 06:35 (thirteen years ago) link
I gotta say I'm relieved that there's only one entry (How To Dress Well) I haven't heard yet. After binging on over 70 albums this week, I'm spent. Napoleon III, Wild Nothing, Abe Vigoda, Black Milk, White Hills, Prins Thomas, Grass Widow, Three Mile Pilot, Moon Wiring Club, Nails, Wino and Rangers will likely snake into my top 100. Treblezine is also completed, and Cokemachineglow should finish top 10 tomorrow.
― Fastnbulbous, Friday, 17 December 2010 07:17 (thirteen years ago) link
Not top 100 material, but I think I like the Diddy Dirty Money a lot more than the Kanye West...
― Fastnbulbous, Friday, 17 December 2010 07:35 (thirteen years ago) link
^^definitely.
guardian top 40:
1 Janelle Monáe The ArchAndroid2 Kanye West My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy3 Hot Chip One Life Stand4 Arcade Fire The Suburbs5 These New Puritans Hidden6 Caribou Swim7 Robyn Body Talk8 Laura Marling I Speak Because I Can9 Ariel Pink Before Today10 John Grant Queen of Denmark11 Beach House Teen Dream12 Sleigh Bells Treats13 Gil Scott-Heron I'm New Here14 Yeasayer Odd Blood15 Warpaint The Fool16 The-Dream Love King17= Anaïs Mitchell Hadestown17= Drake Thank Me Later19 Kelis Fleshtone20 The National High Violet21 LCD Soundsystem This Is Happening22= Ikonika Contact, Love, Want, Have22= Gayngs Related24 Vampire Weekend Contra25= Gorillaz Plastic Beach25= Avi Buffalo Avi Buffalo27 Big Boi Sir Lucious Left Foot: The Son of Chico Dusty28 Joanna Newsom Have One on Me29= Paul Weller Wake Up the Nation29= Steve Mason Boys Outside31 Titus Andronicus The Monitor32 Erykah Badu New Amerykah Part Two (Return of the Ankh)33 Ali Farka Touré and Toumani Diabaté Ali and Toumani34 Rihanna Loud35= MIA MAYA35= Plan B The Defamation of Strickland Banks37 MGMT Congratulations38= Nicki Minaj Pink Friday38= Glasser Ring40 I Am Kloot Sky at Night
i voted for #s 8, 16, 22*, 32 and 38**
*ikonika not that godawful gayngs record**glasser not nicki minaj
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Friday, 17 December 2010 08:13 (thirteen years ago) link
Funny how various commenters say that the Guardian list is so much worse than the NME or Pitchfork ones when, let's face it, about half the entries are exactly the same. When you've been reading this thread for the last few weeks the same names just shuffle around.
― The baby boomers have defined everything once and for all (Dorianlynskey), Friday, 17 December 2010 09:36 (thirteen years ago) link
dorian i'm about to embark on the john grant album! i'll let you know how it goes.
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Friday, 17 December 2010 09:38 (thirteen years ago) link
I voted for 6 in the Guardian 40. Hot Chip/These New Puritans/John Grant near the top, and Ali & Toumani/Glasser/I Am Kloot near the bottom.
― mike t-diva, Friday, 17 December 2010 09:46 (thirteen years ago) link
I thought the Guardian music team spent about two weeks being vocally underwhelmed en masse by the Kanye record so I'm genuinely surprised to see it turn up so high.
― Matt DC, Friday, 17 December 2010 09:50 (thirteen years ago) link
I actually spent so much time talking/thinking about it that I thought I must have cracked and voted for it but I just checked my ballot and no.
― Groke, Friday, 17 December 2010 09:52 (thirteen years ago) link
The John Grant album is the one that's come out of nowhere for me, never heard of it before.
17= Anaïs Mitchell Hadestown
Never heard of this either. What is it?
The Ikonika album is good but I can't help but feel that the Guido album is better and would play better with Guardian readers. Respect for voting Love King so high though.
― Matt DC, Friday, 17 December 2010 09:53 (thirteen years ago) link
Oh, the Anais Mitchell album appears to be a recording of a "folk opera" on Righteous Babe records described as "the story of Orpheus and Eurydice set in post-apocalyptic Depression-era America." Sounds kind of ludicrous but probably more interesting than another placing for Deerhunter.
― Matt DC, Friday, 17 December 2010 09:57 (thirteen years ago) link
Matt DC, I don't know how many critics are polled but it must be a fair number because neither Tom, Lex nor I voted for Kanye. I'm surprised by the same placings as you - not even heard of Anais Mitchell and found the Ikonika record very dull. But then it's good to be surprised by your own publication. Would never have predicted the National coming below Drake and Kelis.
Anyone else think it's a bit weird P4K putting three James Blake EPs in their albums list? It's not an album is it?
― The baby boomers have defined everything once and for all (Dorianlynskey), Friday, 17 December 2010 10:00 (thirteen years ago) link
It's a trending topic!
― Carl Jung Jeezy (Doran), Friday, 17 December 2010 10:22 (thirteen years ago) link
#JamesBlakep4kcontrov
i was very happy that titus beat arcade fire
― return of the nakh (J0rdan S.), Friday, 17 December 2010 10:30 (thirteen years ago) link
Obvious from ScottPl's #1 earlier that was going to happen. Doing that and having a tracks rundown and not singles is a bit of a case of cake being had and eaten.
― Mitchell Stirling, Friday, 17 December 2010 10:33 (thirteen years ago) link
ok, this is kind of amazing http://twitter.com/JanelleMonae/status/15715639645704192
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Friday, 17 December 2010 10:35 (thirteen years ago) link
Aww bless. I like Janelle much more than I like her album, really hope she goes on to make an honest-to-god classic.
― Matt DC, Friday, 17 December 2010 10:37 (thirteen years ago) link
Resident Advisor's Top 50 Tracks of 2010:
50. Nebraska - Soho Grand 49. DJ Rashad - Itz Not Rite 48. Matthew Dear - Little People (Black City) 47. Deniz Kurtel feat. Guests of Nature - Yeah 46. Butch - No Worries45. Skudge - Convolution44. Steffi - Kill Me (Instrumental Dub) 43. Sound Stream - All Night42. Balam Acab - See Birds (Moon)41. Conforce - Grace 40. Martyn - Is This Insanity39. MMM - Nous Sommes 38. FCL - Let's Go37. Instra:mental - Let's Talk 36. Public Lover - I Try 35. Wax - 30003 B 34. Four Tet - Love Cry33. Deadboy - If U Want 32. Fred P - It Is What It Is 31. Storm Queen - Look Right Through 30. Joe - Clap Trap 29. Azari & III - Reckless (With Your Love)28. Tony Lionni feat. Marvin Belton - Precious 27. Ramadanman - Don't Change for Me26. Space Dimension Controller - Journey to the Core of the Unknown Sphere25. Locussolus - Gunship24. Lone - Pineapple Crush23. Jacob Korn - Mirrorflip 22. Mount Kimbie - Maybes (James Blake Remix) 21. The Bug - Skeng 20. Actress - Maze19. Moody - Ol' Dirty Vinyl18. Midnight Magic - Beam Me Up (Jacques Renault Remix) 17. Discreet Unit - Shake Your Body 16. Gunnar Wendel - 578 (Omar-S Rude Boy Warm Remix)15. Caribou - Sun14. Floating Points - People's Potentials13. Breach - Fatherless12. Moody - It's 2 Late 4 U & Me11. Girl Unit - Wut10. James Blake - CMYK09. Nicolas Jaar - A Time For Us 08. Kassem Mosse - Untitled07. The Gathering - In My System (Jef K System Remix)06. Axel Boman - Purple Drank05. Addison Groove - Footcrab 04. Oni Ayhun - 004A03. Ramadanman - Work Them 02. Tensnake - Coma Cat 01. Art Department - Without You
http://www.residentadvisor.net/feature.aspx?1220
― prolego, Friday, 17 December 2010 11:03 (thirteen years ago) link
Art Department - Without You
That's an odd number one, it's a good record but kinda... 2002? Still, it's a nice mix of stuff I already know and like and enough tunes I haven't actually heard. No idea what Skeng is doing in there though.
― Matt DC, Friday, 17 December 2010 11:08 (thirteen years ago) link
50. Nebraska - Soho Grand49. DJ Rashad - Itz Not Rite33. Deadboy - If U Want31. Storm Queen - Look Right Through30. Joe - Clap Trap29. Azari & III - Reckless (With Your Love)18. Midnight Magic - Beam Me Up (Jacques Renault Remix)14. Floating Points - People's Potentials13. Breach - Fatherless11. Girl Unit - Wut09. Nicolas Jaar - A Time For Us07. The Gathering - In My System (Jef K System Remix)06. Axel Boman - Purple Drank04. Oni Ayhun - 004A03. Ramadanman - Work Them
^^YES
why is "skeng" in a 2010 list lol. i'm sure "reckless (with your love)" was 2009, too. and actually i prefer oni ayhun's 003.
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Friday, 17 December 2010 11:09 (thirteen years ago) link
Reckless With Your Love is actually the placing for the Tensnake mix rather than the original.
For all the fuss about dubstep or post-dubstep or whatever, Coma Cat still feels like the 2010's big undisputible dancefloor anthem, happy to see it so high.
― Matt DC, Friday, 17 December 2010 11:11 (thirteen years ago) link
28. Tony Lionni feat. Marvin Belton - Precious26. Space Dimension Controller - Journey to the Core of the Unknown Sphere
These two are fantastic as well. Tony Lionni is such a great producer.
― Matt DC, Friday, 17 December 2010 11:13 (thirteen years ago) link
'Skeng' = Autechre remix from that recent EP? (this might not totally refute your point lol)
― Different Geir, Still SBing (DJ Mencap), Friday, 17 December 2010 11:14 (thirteen years ago) link
That Autechre mix of SKENG is one of my favourite tracks of the year.
― Carl Jung Jeezy (Doran), Friday, 17 December 2010 11:17 (thirteen years ago) link
ha no I do like it, still doesn't feel like a *SONG OF 2010* to me tho
I think ILM may find this apparently earnest post from Drowned In Sound amusing
― Different Geir, Still SBing (DJ Mencap), Friday, 17 December 2010 11:27 (thirteen years ago) link
Ha. I also like this one:
this is a very guardiany list. A mix of hotly tipped new bands, world music and commercial junk, to alienate no one at all. Very indecisive.
Yeah, what indecisive bastards, liking a whole range of music.
― The baby boomers have defined everything once and for all (Dorianlynskey), Friday, 17 December 2010 11:32 (thirteen years ago) link
hope this works - 28 of the RA top 50
http://open.spotify.com/user/usingyourworlds/playlist/656wevVBIdujLV1vuCXZTX
― I am using your worlds, Friday, 17 December 2010 11:35 (thirteen years ago) link
A lot of the albums up there will be forgotten in a few years time. I'd go further to say that perhaps 2010 was a poor year for music. Is there anything up there you can safely say will become legendary?
amazing
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Friday, 17 December 2010 11:38 (thirteen years ago) link
Is there anything up there you can safely say will become legendary?
shame owen p has never joined in wdyll for an easy zing, but i genuinely think that dude made a classic. also los camp (lol me & jordan)
― irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Friday, 17 December 2010 11:44 (thirteen years ago) link
Has Gaslight Anthem not placed anywhere yet?
― Mordy, Friday, 17 December 2010 11:44 (thirteen years ago) link
Gaslight Anthem placed at #2 in Kerrrang. Album is DULL though, too much mid-paced chuntering.
The idea of Los Campesinos becoming "legendary" in any context is almost so ridiculous as to not be worth a response.
― Matt DC, Friday, 17 December 2010 11:46 (thirteen years ago) link
xpost to Lex. That guy seems to have confused an end of year albums list with The History of the World in 100 Objects.
― The baby boomers have defined everything once and for all (Dorianlynskey), Friday, 17 December 2010 11:46 (thirteen years ago) link
And huge thanks to I am using your worlds for the Spotify playlist. I've been doing so much EOY listening already that I just gave up when I got to the RA list.
― The baby boomers have defined everything once and for all (Dorianlynskey), Friday, 17 December 2010 11:48 (thirteen years ago) link
i know dude and lold myself. was thinking more classic than legendary. owen p has a sword and a cape on his album cover, p legends of the relm type thing going on
btw lex did you attempt listening to the pallett? it is about as un-indie as a white boy indie album can get, and its v. pretty
― irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Friday, 17 December 2010 11:48 (thirteen years ago) link
ok he doesn't have a sword, must have remembered it rong
― irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Friday, 17 December 2010 11:49 (thirteen years ago) link
this is the extent of my interaction with o.pallett, sam: http://www.thesinglesjukebox.com/?p=2074
god i loathe los campesinos. as i was saying to alex o on fb the other day, i feel even more hatred for them because one of them was music editor of the university magazine THAT I FOUNDED. i feel like i might have inadvertently nurtured them and the consequent guilt is, i imagine, similar to that of a parent who discovers their child has grown up to be a serial sex offender.
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Friday, 17 December 2010 11:50 (thirteen years ago) link
LOL. Indeed. There's nothing more dispiriting than seeing these whining canonical UNCUT readers in training. They're more depressing than Young Conservatives.
― Carl Jung Jeezy (Doran), Friday, 17 December 2010 11:51 (thirteen years ago) link
blimey
― irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Friday, 17 December 2010 11:51 (thirteen years ago) link
They're more depressing than Young Conservatives.
the weird thing about young tories is that they're either repulsive and weird and clammy OR incredibly hott boys #toryconferencememories
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Friday, 17 December 2010 11:53 (thirteen years ago) link
I dare say only 50% of that sentiment applies to the angry rockists who post on the DiS forum.
― Carl Jung Jeezy (Doran), Friday, 17 December 2010 12:21 (thirteen years ago) link
multiple xpost
That RA list is probably my favourite so far this year, but I'm with lex - Oni Ayhun's OAR-003B (why couldn't these tracks have easier names?) has sounded perfect in every context I've heard it or played it in this year.
― o0o00h really? (boxedjoy), Friday, 17 December 2010 12:22 (thirteen years ago) link
guardian individual lists: http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2010/dec/03/albums-2010-guardian-music-critics
yes, i apparently managed to accidentally delete jazmine sullivan when i submitted mine ;_;
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Friday, 17 December 2010 12:54 (thirteen years ago) link
That would suck.
― _Rudipherous_, Friday, 17 December 2010 12:59 (thirteen years ago) link
If you'd voted for The-Dream they might well have placed considerably higher.
― Matt DC, Friday, 17 December 2010 12:59 (thirteen years ago) link
Bob Stanley repping for Justin Bieber there...
― Matt DC, Friday, 17 December 2010 13:00 (thirteen years ago) link
man what happened to Kwith Cameron :( [via middle age]
― Different Geir, Still SBing (DJ Mencap), Friday, 17 December 2010 13:09 (thirteen years ago) link
*Keith
i should've voted for kourtney heart ft. magnolia shorty - my boy instead of cassie - fuck u silly as my #5 track. had forgotten w/this cold weather what an amazing summer jam it was
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hob_FNnOBgk
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Friday, 17 December 2010 13:12 (thirteen years ago) link
BTW Lex, the song from "Heartland" you want is "E Is For Estranged"
― Tina Tina Cheneuse (DJP), Friday, 17 December 2010 13:12 (thirteen years ago) link
So Yelawolf is really more than a Southern Eminem?
― curmudgeon, Friday, 17 December 2010 13:34 (thirteen years ago) link
Lol at all the Guardian comments complaining about how low the National placed. Ultimately I tend to agree with the old boring line that there's no accounting for taste. I have trouble imagining even liking the National (though perhaps I shouldn't since it mostly sounds to me like a third rate version of the post-punk I used to enjoy).
― _Rudipherous_, Friday, 17 December 2010 13:39 (thirteen years ago) link
xp yes -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fn3oI6OoA0
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Friday, 17 December 2010 13:39 (thirteen years ago) link
01. Art Department - Without You
― prolego, Friday, December 17, 2010 6:03 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
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did a double take there because a Baltimore band that released one of my favorite local albums this year is called The Art Department. i guess it figures someone else has used that name, though, hope they don't have to change it!
― some dude, Friday, 17 December 2010 14:11 (thirteen years ago) link
let me be the first to guess at the pfork top ten without seeing anything in the top 50 or honorable mentions list, mostly based on the trax list, album rankings, and a few other factors:- kanye west (two tracks in top 10, plus 10.0 rating, obv.)- ariel pink (#1 track, breakout album, 9.0 rating, major chillwave influence)- lcd soundsystem (tracks ranked at #3 and #12, 9.2 rating)- robyn (best "pop" track of 2010, endless pfork hype, three highly rated albums/EPs)- big boi (#5 track, most highly praised "actual hip-hop/rap" album of 2010 [kanye doesnt count])- joanna newsom (#6 track, 9.0+ rating [9.2 maybe?])- janelle monae (#10 track, "cold war" hot as well, most highly praised r&b album of 2010 while not being "traditional r&b")- deerhunter (not sure why this got a 9.2, but it has two trax in top 30-40-ish area, incl. #11)plus, two of the following three, making 10 total:- beach house (another couple highly ranked trax, 9.0 rating, breakout album for a band pfork's been hyping for years)- sleigh bells ("best new debut album") -- though this could fall in 11-15 and i wouldn't be surprised- titus andronicus (great/praised album by an "albums band" despite no track in the top 15 or so)
8 outta 10 not bad, huh?
shame i didn't foresee pfork putting the three James Blake EPs together as an "album" (seems kinda lame, though), and obviously, someone pointed out vampire weekend missing from my list almost immediately
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Friday, 17 December 2010 14:23 (thirteen years ago) link
Krishnan Guru-Murthy's top 10 albums of 2010
1 Plastic Beach, Gorillaz2 Progress, Take That3 Recovery, Eminem4 Come Around Sundown, Kings Of Leon5 Body Talk, Robyn6 The Lady Killer, Cee Lo Green7 Wake Up The Nation, Paul Weller8 Glee 1, The Glee Cast9 Contra, Vampire Weekend10 High Violet, The National
― O Permaban (NickB), Friday, 17 December 2010 14:24 (thirteen years ago) link
figures pfork would leave R&B and chart-ready pop outta the top ten completely, huh lex? ;)
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Friday, 17 December 2010 14:25 (thirteen years ago) link
So, I lost track of this thread a few days ago, and maybe this has already been talked about. But yesterday I noticed and slightly skimmed this end-of-year Village Voice "SOTC Roundtable" called "Was 2010 The Best Year For Music Ever," and I'm confused....That headline's just a joke, right? Or are there people out there who actually believe that?
http://blogs.villagevoice.com/music/2010/12/welcome_to_soun.php
― xhuxk, Friday, 17 December 2010 14:25 (thirteen years ago) link
Glee 1, The Glee Cast
I love Glee as much as the next guy, seen every episode, etc, but including the soundtrack on a best albums list is some serious trying to look with it nonsense.
― Mordy, Friday, 17 December 2010 14:26 (thirteen years ago) link
a little surprised by the relative lack of twin shadow love. by far my most played record this year
― cozen, Friday, 17 December 2010 14:27 (thirteen years ago) link
What was Jon Snow repping for this year?
― Matt DC, Friday, 17 December 2010 14:27 (thirteen years ago) link
the bad part is that you couldn't wait until friday and think anyone of us give a shit about your nostradumbass predictions about How To Dress Well
― franz kaptcha (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 17 December 2010 14:33 (thirteen years ago) link
― Matt DC, Friday, 17 December 2010 11:13 (3 hours ago)]
haven't actually heard that lionni track for some reason, but there was a good marvin belton record out on ferris park this year, 'the letter'
― cherry blossom, Friday, 17 December 2010 14:37 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm giving Whiney an enforced time-out that will hopefully save this thread the no doubt riveting spectacle of him and Ilxor having a big flameout about the Pitchfork top 10.
― Matt DC, Friday, 17 December 2010 14:40 (thirteen years ago) link
nostradumbass
keep trying, you'll get a good zing in one day
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Friday, 17 December 2010 14:41 (thirteen years ago) link
oh that was a decent zing.
welcome back, whiney g.
― Daniel, Esq., Friday, 17 December 2010 14:44 (thirteen years ago) link
shrug it out with whiney g
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Friday, 17 December 2010 14:46 (thirteen years ago) link
What big UK or US publications lists are we waiting on?
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 17 December 2010 15:07 (thirteen years ago) link
Cokemachineglow's Top 50 Albums of 2010
50 :: Glasser - Ring 49 :: No Age - Everything in Between 48 :: Pop Winds - The Turquoise 47 :: Velella Velella - Atlantis Massif 46 :: Titus Andronicus - The Monitor 45 :: Baths - Cerulean 44 :: Big K.R.I.T. - K.R.I.T. Wuz Here 43 :: Salem - King Night 42 :: Swans - My Father Will Guide Me Up a Rope to the Sky 41 :: Ikonika - Contact, Want, Love, Have 40 :: Villagers - Becoming a Jackal
39 :: New Pornographers - Together 38 :: Erykah Badu - New Amerykah, Part Two (Return of the Ankh) 37 :: Wolf Parade - Expo 86 36 :: Books - The Way Out 35 :: Owen Pallett - Heartland 34 :: Oneohtrix Point Never - Returnal 33 :: Walkmen - Lisbon 32 :: Four Tet - There is Love in You 31 :: Sufjan Stevens - The Age of Adz
30 :: Gonjasufi - A Sufi and a Killer 29 :: Waka Flocka Flame - Flockaveli 28 :: Grass Widow - Past Time 27 :: Freddie Gibbs - Str8 Killa EP 26 :: Robyn - Body Talk 25 :: Curren$y - Pilot Talk / Pilot Talk II 24 :: Gorillaz - Plastic Beach 23 :: Drake - Thank Me Later 22 :: Black Milk - Album of the Year 21 :: Arcade Fire - The Suburbs
20 :: Warpaint - The Fool 19 :: Gil Scott-Heron - I'm New Here 18 :: Deerhunter - Halcyon Digest 17 :: Future Islands - In Evening Air 16 :: Yellow Swans - Going Places 15 :: Grimes - Geidi Primes / Halfaxa 14 :: Sharon Van Etten - epic 13 :: Emeralds - Does It Look Like I'm Here? 12 :: Janelle Monáe - The ArchAndroid 11 :: Menomena - Mines
10 :: Blue Hawaii - Blooming Summer EP 9 :: Surfer Blood - Astro Coast 8 :: Teebs - Ardour 7 :: Das Racist - Sit Down, Man 6 :: Women - Public Strain 5 :: Frog Eyes - Paul's Tomb: A Triumph 4 :: Flying Lotus - Cosmogramma 3 :: Beach House - Teen Dream 2 :: Big Boi - Sir Lucious Left Foot: The Son of Chico Dusty1 :: Kanye West - My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy
http://www.cokemachineglow.com/feature/5816/top50albums-2010?pg=5
― prolego, Friday, 17 December 2010 15:09 (thirteen years ago) link
are there any lists without kanye west & big boi?
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 17 December 2010 15:10 (thirteen years ago) link
xps Krishnan Guru-Murthy seems to have done a good job triangulating his list between Mondeo pop, boring indie, and token hip hop. Kudos!
― Neil S, Friday, 17 December 2010 15:10 (thirteen years ago) link
and beach house
the cokemachine write-up for kanye is crazy lol
― prolego, Friday, 17 December 2010 15:11 (thirteen years ago) link
Do critics who vote in these things every year just look at what everyone else is voting and do the same so that they just don't look out of the loop with what the critical consensus is that year? The past few years all the lists look the same just in a slightly jumbled up order.
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 17 December 2010 15:12 (thirteen years ago) link
the thesis is flawed re: its analysis of 808s but this is kind of OTM:
The doubters on CMG staff question how much of this album’s strength is dependent on what we know of Kanye versus how much is intrinsic. To which I can only respond: does it matter? Kanye West loves the living shit out of music, and if you can’t hear that in every meticulously arranged note and gleefully tossed-in guest appearance (even in a misplaced Rick Ross), then you will never hear it.
― Tina Tina Cheneuse (DJP), Friday, 17 December 2010 15:19 (thirteen years ago) link
You know, I hate conflict of all types but Nostradumbass is pretty funny.
― Carl Jung Jeezy (Doran), Friday, 17 December 2010 15:19 (thirteen years ago) link
haven't looked over the guardian list in much detail, just a cursory glance at the list, but the janelle monae blurb is *fantastic* and really serves to capture her appeal, i think
http://m.guardian.co.uk/music/musicblog/2010/dec/16/albums-2010-janelle-monae-archandroid?cat=music&type=article
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Friday, 17 December 2010 15:20 (thirteen years ago) link
it's also oldxp
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 17 December 2010 15:21 (thirteen years ago) link
Kanye West loves the living shit out of music, and if you can’t hear that in every meticulously arranged note and gleefully tossed-in guest appearance (even in a misplaced Rick Ross), then you will never hear it.
also, this is true -- but could easily apply just as well to, say, nickelback; are they not passionate about their music as well?
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Friday, 17 December 2010 15:21 (thirteen years ago) link
"he's passionate about his music" = "points for trying hard"
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Friday, 17 December 2010 15:22 (thirteen years ago) link
Yes they are, and they aren't actually as terrible as everyone says they are.
― Tina Tina Cheneuse (DJP), Friday, 17 December 2010 15:24 (thirteen years ago) link
Kanye feat. Chad Kroeger = "We Love It"
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 17 December 2010 15:26 (thirteen years ago) link
exactly; it says absolutely nothing about quality!
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Friday, 17 December 2010 15:27 (thirteen years ago) link
also, this is true -- but could easily apply just as well to, say, nickelback; are they not passionate about their music as well?Yes they are, and they aren't actually as terrible as everyone says they are.― Tina Tina Cheneuse (DJP),
― Tina Tina Cheneuse (DJP),
oh yes THEY ARE
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 17 December 2010 15:28 (thirteen years ago) link
14 :: Sharon Van Etten - epic
glad to see this finally making into a couple lists, she's really great
― /\/K/\/\, Friday, 17 December 2010 15:29 (thirteen years ago) link
the janelle monae blurb is *fantastic* and really serves to capture her appeal
otm great blurb
― dirty *plop* (The Reverend), Friday, 17 December 2010 15:40 (thirteen years ago) link
lex i'm really glad you voted for K. Michelle high in the Guardian.
I tried to get it in the lower regions of the FACT list but it wasnt really happening. havent seen it in any other lists :(
― tomlea, Friday, 17 December 2010 15:41 (thirteen years ago) link
Nickelback are passionate about writing songs that are radio-ready enough to offend the least amount of people and make the most amount of money from shallow masses.
― I will always think of you, while (quite) fondly, myself (Evan), Friday, 17 December 2010 15:43 (thirteen years ago) link
thanks for waking us up to the truth, bra
― dirty *plop* (The Reverend), Friday, 17 December 2010 15:45 (thirteen years ago) link
my attempts to make k. michelle happen this year may have been one of my hugest failures ever
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Friday, 17 December 2010 15:47 (thirteen years ago) link
The K Michelle mixtape has some terrific songs on it but the sound quality is kind of poor which makes for a frustrating listen. She could put out an amazing record when she gets round to recording a proper album.
― Matt DC, Friday, 17 December 2010 16:00 (thirteen years ago) link
Sad to see lack of The Books in most of these.
― reallysmoothmusic (Jamie_ATP), Friday, 17 December 2010 16:09 (thirteen years ago) link
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Friday, December 17, 2010 10:22 AM (51 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
seriously. don't any other critics deal with tiny talentless no-names who are SO SERIOUS about their music to the point that they realize how little the artist's enthusiasm and dedication really matters as far as separating the good from the bad?
― some dude, Friday, 17 December 2010 16:17 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't know, I like to listen to music that sounds enthusiastic.
― congratulations (n/a), Friday, 17 December 2010 16:22 (thirteen years ago) link
pretty much every album i'd rep for this year sounds "enthusiastic" in its own way.
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Friday, 17 December 2010 16:27 (thirteen years ago) link
at least her *fantastic* collab w/ r. kelly on his new album may heighten her profile a bit, no?
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Friday, 17 December 2010 16:29 (thirteen years ago) link
thing is, the overwhelming majority of the artists listed in this thread, regardless of how you feel about them, are really enthusiastic about their music and obsess over it every chance they get. that's the baseline of how most records of any value get made, not a virtue unto itself. Kanye's only kind of a standout in a genre where a lot of the biggest artists kind of cultivate a not-giving-a-shit image (but still work hard and make a ton of music).
― some dude, Friday, 17 December 2010 16:33 (thirteen years ago) link
i have n-thusiasm about bbcode
― ARP 2600 vs. Atari 2600 (Ówen P.), Friday, 17 December 2010 16:38 (thirteen years ago) link
Also, DJP, please relax gurl
― ARP 2600 vs. Atari 2600 (Ówen P.), Friday, 17 December 2010 16:39 (thirteen years ago) link
dan's shortening dude's "kanye loves music" argument into something less ridiculous than it is.
Kanye West loves music. Only someone who loves music with every fiber of their being could put every fiber of every music they’ve ever loved into the music they make and have it make such ineffable sense. These six-minute bangers are haikus. Kanye West loved music better than any other artist this year and I loved his music better, too.
― da croupier, Friday, 17 December 2010 16:44 (thirteen years ago) link
These six-minute bangers are haikus.
Eight syllables, doesn't fit the form.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 17 December 2010 16:45 (thirteen years ago) link
Kanye West loves the music I love and his music possesses its communicants, wholly. Himself, included. Pinch yourself halfway through the orchestral El-P transmission that is “So Appalled” with all its invoked ciphers to make sure you’re awake, because Ye sure isn’t. Dude’s unconscious.
― da croupier, Friday, 17 December 2010 16:46 (thirteen years ago) link
rofl
― some dude, Friday, 17 December 2010 16:47 (thirteen years ago) link
Pusha T’s surreal “invisibly set, the Rolex is faceless” on “Runaway” is the line of this young decade, cracking asunder its lush surroundings like some bolt of divine inspiration.
― da croupier, Friday, 17 December 2010 16:48 (thirteen years ago) link
Now this is how you troll ILM.
― da croupier, Friday, 17 December 2010 16:49 (thirteen years ago) link
Ladies and gentlemen, the gangsta Wilco (The Album) is here.
― The Reverend, Friday, 17 December 2010 16:50 (thirteen years ago) link
“Gorgeous,” for instance, is W.E.B. Du Bois-relentless in dropping knowledge, evidenced as much by Kanye’s torrential rapping as by the mere presence of Raekwon.
I really need to pay more attention to the writing of Chet Benz.
― da croupier, Friday, 17 December 2010 16:56 (thirteen years ago) link
sorry, Chet Betz.
― da croupier, Friday, 17 December 2010 16:57 (thirteen years ago) link
is that black milk record worth checking? i never even knew dude dropped anything this year. and even though i love tronic, i find it very hard to be enthusiastic about him
― irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Friday, 17 December 2010 16:58 (thirteen years ago) link
Anthony is right re: me abbreviating dude's argument; he goes to ridiculous extremes shortly thereafter which no one in their right mind would defend (aside from allowing for subjective reactions). The main point I agreed with is that if you don't think the album sounds like Kanye slaved over it or you don't find the amount of work he put into it impressive, no amount of listens will change your mind.
I have no idea what this is in reference to...?
― Tina Tina Cheneuse (DJP), Friday, 17 December 2010 16:58 (thirteen years ago) link
the music crit pen name of Chester Bennington (xpost)
― some dude, Friday, 17 December 2010 16:59 (thirteen years ago) link
just noticed that Cokemachineglow put Yellow Swans at #16 on their year-end list, thats a great f'ing album
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Friday, 17 December 2010 17:03 (thirteen years ago) link
it doesnt really hold a candle to Tronic (which i love) -- haven't listened to it a lot, though
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Friday, 17 December 2010 17:04 (thirteen years ago) link
did anyone post the new york times critic lists
caramanicahttp://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/19/arts/music/19caramanica.html?_r=1
pareleshttp://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/19/arts/music/19pareles.html
raitliffhttp://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/19/arts/music/19ratiliff.html
chinenhttp://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/19/arts/music/19ratiliff.html
― /\/K/\/\, Friday, 17 December 2010 17:09 (thirteen years ago) link
― Tina Tina Cheneuse (DJP), Friday, December 17, 2010 11:58 AM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark
Any Owen + Lex synthesis. It's not gonna happen.
― ARP 2600 vs. Atari 2600 (Ówen P.), Friday, 17 December 2010 17:18 (thirteen years ago) link
awww youd be a cute couple doe
― irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Friday, 17 December 2010 17:21 (thirteen years ago) link
I recognize that intellectually
― Tina Tina Cheneuse (DJP), Friday, 17 December 2010 17:21 (thirteen years ago) link
<3 you LexFrom across the room
― ARP 2600 vs. Atari 2600 (Ówen P.), Friday, 17 December 2010 17:24 (thirteen years ago) link
Greg Kot:http://leisureblogs.chicagotribune.com/turn_it_up/2010/12/top-albums-of-2010.html
Jim DeRogatis:http://www.wbez.org/blog/jim-derogatis/reasons-living-20-best-albums-2010
Spoiler: Both picked Janelle Monae as their #1 album.
― Zsa Zsa Gay Bar (jaymc), Friday, 17 December 2010 17:32 (thirteen years ago) link
huh that's kind of interesting, esp. considering they're both chicago-based and write for local sources
― congratulations (n/a), Friday, 17 December 2010 17:36 (thirteen years ago) link
ie i'm surprised at least one of them didn't go for kanye.
but on the other hand it's not surprising because they both suck
Perhaps only West could turn all the hatred directed at him into a song as thrilling, surreal and anthemic as “Runaway,” the centerpiece of an album that turns contradictions into strengths, a mix of classical opulence, grimy beats, boldness and vulnerability.
rubbing my eyes...a critic cogently praising this album without implying this album is either a culmination of his or the earth's previous efforts and tweets. it happened.
― da croupier, Friday, 17 December 2010 17:39 (thirteen years ago) link
4. Robyn, “Body Talk” (Interscope): In an era when big, buoyant pop is king, from Katy Perry to Black Eyed Peas, this Swedish singer trumps them all. “Body Talk” caps her trilogy of releases this year with an affirmation that pop can be both smart and danceable.
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 17 December 2010 17:46 (thirteen years ago) link
get that: smart AND danceable!
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 17 December 2010 17:47 (thirteen years ago) link
the other body talk blurb is just as bad
14. Robyn, “Body Talk Pt. 2” (Konichiwa)
Lady Gaga is an amusing novelty; Swedish dance-pop diva Robyn is the real deal, so energizing, empowering, and sexy in a non-pandering way that even the obligatory Snoop Dogg cameo (in the simultaneously angry and exuberant, buoyant and bitchy “U Should Know Better”) can’t derail things on the second installment of her “Body Talk” trilogy.
how was that snoop dogg cameo obligatory? does he have a long history of appearing on swedish pop records that i somehow overlooked? and i'm not even gonna touch that first statement.
― /\/K/\/\, Friday, 17 December 2010 17:49 (thirteen years ago) link
jeez
― return of the nakh (J0rdan S.), Friday, 17 December 2010 17:50 (thirteen years ago) link
the thing ppl seem to not get about Gaga is that she is both an amusing novelty AND the real deal
― Tina Tina Cheneuse (DJP), Friday, 17 December 2010 17:50 (thirteen years ago) link
if robyn is smart, give me all of the sarah palins of pop
Kot's Monae blurb seared my eyelashes.
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 17 December 2010 17:51 (thirteen years ago) link
can anyone vouch for the besnard lakes album that graces both Kot and DeRogatis's lists? i liked the first one alright
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Friday, 17 December 2010 17:53 (thirteen years ago) link
I liked it well enough. A. Begrand's a fan too.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 17 December 2010 17:54 (thirteen years ago) link
I would buy Robyn as a purveyor of big buoyant pop if Body Talk took more cues from "Dream On" and "With Every Heartbeat" and if Robyn had a bigger voice. Like, I didn't dig Body Talk Part One for any sense of grandness or unfettered joy; I liked it because it was all inward and nerdy, and (more crucially) I didn't actually like it enough to keep up with Parts Two and Three.
― Tina Tina Cheneuse (DJP), Friday, 17 December 2010 17:54 (thirteen years ago) link
as much as i love what robyn's done this year its gotten to the point that i want her to stop appearing in these lists because these writers are killing me
― /\/K/\/\, Friday, 17 December 2010 17:55 (thirteen years ago) link
Besnard Lakes: I guess you don't want my word for it but I love it to pieces. His voice is amazing and it's beautiful, considered use of shoegaze and classic rock, not just clinical copyism.
― Carl Jung Jeezy (Doran), Friday, 17 December 2010 17:55 (thirteen years ago) link
part two is better!
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Friday, 17 December 2010 17:55 (thirteen years ago) link
Robyn finally won me over on Pt. 3 cuz someone gave her a Tiffany 12" from 1988 and apparently liked it. Stick that in your pipe, Greg Kot.
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 17 December 2010 17:56 (thirteen years ago) link
I guess you don't want my word for it but
happy to hear yr opinion -- sounds like i need to check out the album
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Friday, 17 December 2010 17:56 (thirteen years ago) link
like most good pop, I'd say.
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 17 December 2010 17:57 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, exactly!
― Tina Tina Cheneuse (DJP), Friday, 17 December 2010 17:57 (thirteen years ago) link
i wonder what kot thinks of Robyn is Here
― /\/K/\/\, Friday, 17 December 2010 17:58 (thirteen years ago) link
hahaha omg
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Friday, 17 December 2010 17:58 (thirteen years ago) link
It was sexy in a non-pandering way.
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 17 December 2010 17:59 (thirteen years ago) link
it's like in the cokemachineglow list entry:
All Robyn does is consistently pump out these unbelievable Erasure-style pop songs and continue to receive heaps of praise from snarky online publications like this one, and she’s yet to crack the American mainstream—at least post-Robyn is Here (1995)
the Robyn is Here mention is so tacked on, as if the writer submitted it and his editor reminded him that, oh ya, Show me Love was kind of big 15 years ago
― /\/K/\/\, Friday, 17 December 2010 18:03 (thirteen years ago) link
not to mention that Erasure has never had a US top ten
― /\/K/\/\, Friday, 17 December 2010 18:04 (thirteen years ago) link
lol ditto
robyn is another example of someone being given a whole lot too much credit for acting a touch meta and saying she's smart
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Friday, 17 December 2010 18:07 (thirteen years ago) link
huh, I thought both "Chains of Love" and "A Little Respect" were bigger than they actually were
― Tina Tina Cheneuse (DJP), Friday, 17 December 2010 18:12 (thirteen years ago) link
in the links for the NY Times critics above Ratliff was accidentally listed twice (under his own name and under Chinen). Here's Chinen's jazz heavy list. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/19/arts/music/19chinen.html
I figured Deej and other would be commenting on the NY Time's Caramanica listing Drake and Rick Ross and Kanye for albums and listing Earl Sweatshirt under songs
― curmudgeon, Friday, 17 December 2010 18:18 (thirteen years ago) link
x-post Oh, come on. She's definitely smart enough to have navigated the transition from assembly line teen pop star to critical darling, and then to turn a five year gap between records - supporting the same record, btw, which wasn't even commercially available in the US for most of those years - to her advantage and know just what kind of sound to come back with. It wouldn't be such a big deal if she weren't so business-savvy as she is pop-savvy.
Now, if you're asking what about her music specifically makes her smart, I dunno. Especially since she does dumb pretty brilliantly, too.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 17 December 2010 18:19 (thirteen years ago) link
― curmudgeon, Friday, December 17, 2010 12:18 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
see: remixes thread
― *plop*ism rules (deej), Friday, 17 December 2010 18:20 (thirteen years ago) link
NY Times "popcast" on the EOY
http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/12/16/popcast-top-10-albums-of-2010/?ref=music
― curmudgeon, Friday, 17 December 2010 18:21 (thirteen years ago) link
there's already been a long of "oh why caramanica why are you on the drake bandwagon" handwringing on ILM this year
― some dude, Friday, 17 December 2010 18:22 (thirteen years ago) link
xpost to lex
by "a touch meta" are you referring to her newer version of show me love? because i think thats actually an example where being a touch meta works, and the song works as a really beautiful and original way of revisiting her past (kind of ironically, since most of her supporters these days would rather pretend that robyn didnt exist).
artists get too much credit for being a touch meta all the time (das racist? really?) but a reactionary, blanket aversion to anything that even flirts with meta is no good either
― /\/K/\/\, Friday, 17 December 2010 18:23 (thirteen years ago) link
Self-awareness /= smart.
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 17 December 2010 18:25 (thirteen years ago) link
but self-awareness can be done in a smart way, no?
― /\/K/\/\, Friday, 17 December 2010 18:28 (thirteen years ago) link
well, sure, but critics (inc. me) often assume self-awareness is one of the primal virtues.
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 17 December 2010 18:30 (thirteen years ago) link
― franz kaptcha (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, December 17, 2010 1:15 AM (12 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Who knew Titus Andronicus was so good looking. complete opposite of how they sound
― skip, Friday, 17 December 2010 18:32 (thirteen years ago) link
xp ya definitely. and thus there's a consensus forming that das racist made one of, if not the, best non Kanye/Big Boi rap albums of the year
― /\/K/\/\, Friday, 17 December 2010 18:32 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't doubt Robyn's a smart cookie, but that hardly means she's making any better music than her less witty competitors.
― The Reverend, Friday, 17 December 2010 18:36 (thirteen years ago) link
robyn is another example of someone being given a whole lot too much credit for acting a touch meta and saying she's smart― lex diamonds (lex pretend)
― lex diamonds (lex pretend)
robyn is also an example of you giving someone too little credit, just because they can act a touch meta & smart at times
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Friday, 17 December 2010 18:43 (thirteen years ago) link
http://img.amazon.ca/images/I/412YK0X4PPL._SL500_AA300_.jpg
^^^^^music that's smart and danceable
― /\/K/\/\, Friday, 17 December 2010 18:44 (thirteen years ago) link
I am going to go out on a limb and just assume that is terrible
― Tina Tina Cheneuse (DJP), Friday, 17 December 2010 18:45 (thirteen years ago) link
From DeRo's list:
4. Salem, “King Night” (IAMSOUND)The formerly Chicago, now Traverse City, Michigan-based trio polarizes audiences with its dense, difficult, sludgy, but sexy sound, simultaneously alienating and seductive, with elements of trip-hop, gothic darkwave, classical chorale music, Southern hip-hop, and electronic pop. Me, I can’t get enough of its dark pagan delights.
The formerly Chicago, now Traverse City, Michigan-based trio polarizes audiences with its dense, difficult, sludgy, but sexy sound, simultaneously alienating and seductive, with elements of trip-hop, gothic darkwave, classical chorale music, Southern hip-hop, and electronic pop. Me, I can’t get enough of its dark pagan delights.
I think we've just discovered the target market that finds Salem's music "sexy".
http://www.wbez.org/blog/jim-derogatis/reasons-living-20-best-albums-2010
― Position Position, Friday, 17 December 2010 18:49 (thirteen years ago) link
hahahaha O_O
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Friday, 17 December 2010 18:50 (thirteen years ago) link
^hard in da paint
― return of the nakh (J0rdan S.), Friday, 17 December 2010 18:50 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.stereogum.com/img/derogatis.jpg http://janeheller.mlblogs.com/heart_beating.gif http://consequenceofsound.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/salem-king-night-260x260.jpg
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Friday, 17 December 2010 18:52 (thirteen years ago) link
alright, enough
― return of the nakh (J0rdan S.), Friday, 17 December 2010 18:54 (thirteen years ago) link
just realized pfork ranked all the james blake EPs together on the albums list, but didnt do the same w/r/t Zola Jesus (Stridulum, Velusia/Valusia/however it was spelled, Stridulum II)
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Friday, 17 December 2010 18:57 (thirteen years ago) link
Chris Richards of the Washington Post likes Drake, Choc Quib Town, Randy Houser, Jamey Johnson, Kanye, Soft Pack and a few more
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/clicktrack/2010/12/lists_chris_richards_top_10_al.html
― curmudgeon, Friday, 17 December 2010 19:41 (thirteen years ago) link
what band was that guy in again?
liked his beach house blurb
― return of the nakh (J0rdan S.), Friday, 17 December 2010 19:46 (thirteen years ago) link
Me, I can’t get enough of its dark pagan delights.
I thought DeRo liked white women?
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 17 December 2010 19:49 (thirteen years ago) link
oh, jim, still the Dionysian.
― da croupier, Friday, 17 December 2010 19:55 (thirteen years ago) link
unsound opinions
― markers, Friday, 17 December 2010 19:57 (thirteen years ago) link
Trivia:
Jon Caramanica picked albums by two guys who have had hits called "Best I Ever Had" (though not this year).Chris Richards picked albums by two guys who wrote "Honky Tonk Badonkadonk" (though not this year).
― xhuxk, Friday, 17 December 2010 20:11 (thirteen years ago) link
― return of the nakh (J0rdan S.), Friday, December 17, 2010 2:46 PM (24 minutes ago) Bookmark
he was in Q And Not U. hell of a nice guy, although when i talk to him we have to make an effort to avoid arguing about Drake.
― hey young ppl world (some dude), Friday, 17 December 2010 20:13 (thirteen years ago) link
i really want to hear a drake superfan explain to me what they like w/out it devolving into being about how his persona is so novel
― *plop*ism rules (deej), Friday, 17 December 2010 20:15 (thirteen years ago) link
one thing i'll give drake is that if you're really into his production aesthetic, it can be pretty novel at times for a "rap" album, but i still don't think it makes up for everything else
― return of the nakh (J0rdan S.), Friday, 17 December 2010 20:21 (thirteen years ago) link
This seems perilously close to asking someone to explain why they like something without saying anything positive about it. Like, for any performer, the artistic persona they are putting forth, whether it's a theatrical "Character" (a la Janelle Monae) or a "serious musician" (a la... I don't know, YMMV on this but maybe Tori Amos? Scott Walker?) or whatever, is a large portion of why you are buying into them. "Persona" in this usage includes the genre the musician is operating in; if you are all about symphonies, you are likely not going to appreciate Speedy J's "Pullover" because the gulf between expected idiom and actual idiom is so large.
What Drake seems to be doing is carving out a specific idiom within hip-hop and R&B and a lot of people are going apeshit for it; I personally think it sounds like lazy garbage but that's kind of my default reaction to like 95% of hip-hop these days so I don't lose THAT much sleep over it.
― Tina Tina Cheneuse (DJP), Friday, 17 December 2010 20:35 (thirteen years ago) link
dude's voice sounds like a front-door buzzer
― da croupier, Friday, 17 December 2010 20:39 (thirteen years ago) link
hahaha
― *plop*ism rules (deej), Friday, 17 December 2010 20:39 (thirteen years ago) link
I guess a lot of us underestimate most people's burning need to have a Stefan Urquelle in their lives
― Tina Tina Cheneuse (DJP), Friday, 17 December 2010 20:42 (thirteen years ago) link
a Stefan who realized he could do better than Laura and now goes to strip clubs
― da croupier, Friday, 17 December 2010 20:44 (thirteen years ago) link
smh at both those Robyn blurbs. Reminds me of some of the Janelle reviews that bugged Lex earlier this year - "This is like R&B but clever!"
― The baby boomers have defined everything once and for all (Dorianlynskey), Friday, 17 December 2010 20:45 (thirteen years ago) link
damn, how much of a wreck was Laura if the girls from the strip club are a step UP
― Tina Tina Cheneuse (DJP), Friday, 17 December 2010 20:45 (thirteen years ago) link
pussy refused to whisper the andy griffith theme
― da croupier, Friday, 17 December 2010 20:46 (thirteen years ago) link
lol i mean whistle
wait'll you see my *SNORT*
― Tina Tina Cheneuse (DJP), Friday, 17 December 2010 20:54 (thirteen years ago) link
the robyn thing makes less sense imo than the janelle ... janelle is an R&B artist incorporating other influences & going for different concepts (lol --- was she influenced by sun ra???) the diff between robyn & gaga in terms of 'content' is so narcissism of hipster differences i can barely see it
― *plop*ism rules (deej), Friday, 17 December 2010 21:00 (thirteen years ago) link
(lol --- was she influenced by sun ra???)
I know you're joking but the likely answer here is "yes".
― Tina Tina Cheneuse (DJP), Friday, 17 December 2010 21:02 (thirteen years ago) link
i think what deej meant is that "drake's a major rap star and he's from canada! and light-skinned! and a child star! and he sings!" is a narrtive that his fans lean on to justify his importance even more than his detractors use to criticize him (why bother when we've got the monotonous flow, the grocery bag punchlines, the inane 'deep thoughts' to make fun of).
― hey young ppl world (some dude), Friday, 17 December 2010 21:02 (thirteen years ago) link
I get that; what I'm saying (which I realize is almost 180 degrees in the opposite direction of how I usually argue) is that clearly those things are important to the people championing dude otherwise they wouldn't keep mentioning them all the time, and as such it feels like deej is saying "tell me what you like about this dude without telling me about the things you like about this dude".
― Tina Tina Cheneuse (DJP), Friday, 17 December 2010 21:06 (thirteen years ago) link
xpost Ha, yes, so plainly influenced by Sun Ra - she goes deep into the afrofuturist stuff.
There are significant differences between Robyn and Gaga, deej, but I think you're right about why certain critics will rave about the former and be snide about the latter.
― The baby boomers have defined everything once and for all (Dorianlynskey), Friday, 17 December 2010 21:06 (thirteen years ago) link
which critics are praising him for his biography?
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 17 December 2010 21:06 (thirteen years ago) link
I mean, I get that he's praised for sounding so fucking strange but I don't get that the subtext of said complaints is, "lol well he's Canadian remember."
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 17 December 2010 21:10 (thirteen years ago) link
well at the very beginning it wasn't a subtext
― return of the nakh (J0rdan S.), Friday, 17 December 2010 21:11 (thirteen years ago) link
robyn has weaker beats for one thing! not just a jab: you can't lose yourself in them physically, they're not "mindless" in the way the best club beats are ("mindless" not being mutually exclusive with "smart"). you get your detachment and your distance from "common" pop, basically. the same goes for her affectless, unmelismatic voice too.
idk if gaga is the comparison that best illustrates the odd doublethink going on in responses to robyn vis-à-vis other popstars, though - i like the one the alfred outlined here, to ciara: http://www.thesinglesjukebox.com/?p=2261
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Friday, 17 December 2010 21:11 (thirteen years ago) link
the canadian thing was made a point by a lot of ppl who praised him for being an outsider
― return of the nakh (J0rdan S.), Friday, 17 December 2010 21:12 (thirteen years ago) link
― Tina Tina Cheneuse (DJP), Friday, December 17, 2010 3:02 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i agree - id be more willing to believe she was a sun ra head than dungeon fam were -- imo they were just riffing off pfunk stuff, at least early on
― *plop*ism rules (deej), Friday, 17 December 2010 21:12 (thirteen years ago) link
well, Pitchfork (lol): http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/14367-thank-me-later/this one sets the framework of it being autobiographical before diving into the songs themselves: http://hiphopwired.com/2010/06/16/drake-thank-me-later-review/also his bio is used as a selling point for the album here: http://www.prefixmag.com/reviews/drake/thank-me-later/30715/and there are several "first-ever Canadian emcee to do this" refs to his accomplishments pre-album here: http://www.culturebully.com/drake-thank-me-later-album-review
These are the first 4 Google hits on "drake thank me later review".
You would agree, though, that Parliament was unambiguously and irrefutably informed by Sun Ra, right? I mean, you're basically arguing semantics here.
― Tina Tina Cheneuse (DJP), Friday, 17 December 2010 21:16 (thirteen years ago) link
this is an argument for the other thread but im not actually entirely convince they were wholly influenced by sun ra, or that he wasnt more than a nominal influence... pop cult stuff in this era was full of space age detritus -- if you have a quote wherein GC or bootsy credit sun ra w/ being a chief influence i'll stand down on that particular point, though
― *plop*ism rules (deej), Friday, 17 December 2010 21:20 (thirteen years ago) link
xpost. Hmm. I find the beat of Dancing on My Own irresistible and the vocal genuinely moving. Ditto with Hang With Me. I don't find her distancing. I just think she's catnip to thirtysomethings with fond memories of synth-pop - more retro than Gaga.
― The baby boomers have defined everything once and for all (Dorianlynskey), Friday, 17 December 2010 21:21 (thirteen years ago) link
the famous clinton line re: sun ra is "This boy was definitely out to lunch--same place I eat." Though I dunno if he ever outright kissed ra's boot.
― da croupier, Friday, 17 December 2010 21:24 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah the Clinton quote sounds like him saying "we get compared a lot and i respect that he was out there as much as i was but i don't actually consider him a big influence on my work"
― hey young ppl world (some dude), Friday, 17 December 2010 21:29 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm gonna work through the RA tracks list tonight (haven't been out anywhere near enough this year waaah)
lex i checked out & enjoyed the k. michelle due to your reppin - thx
― whitney from mtv's the city (tpp), Friday, 17 December 2010 21:29 (thirteen years ago) link
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the argument i had w/ the aforementioned Post critic about Drake came from him comparing him to Timberlake circa Justified -- the outsider who was too white and too child-star-background to get taken seriously in some circles become a darling of urban radio and treated with respected by every cool platinum rapper etc. i think for some people Drake represents a new paradigm of rap stardom the same way Kanye played up the whole Benz and a backpack thing when he first came out.
― hey young ppl world (some dude), Friday, 17 December 2010 21:32 (thirteen years ago) link
I think "informed" and "influenced" are similar, but semantically different words.
"Influenced" implies (to me) that you never would have had the idea without encountering X.
"Informed" implies (again, to me) that you would have had the idea, but X had some impact on how you decided to express it.
This is why I said "informed by" and not "influenced by".
― Tina Tina Cheneuse (DJP), Friday, 17 December 2010 21:34 (thirteen years ago) link
i want dan to guest edit pitchfork for a week, it'd put the fear of god into half their writers
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Friday, 17 December 2010 21:35 (thirteen years ago) link
the ppl (of my young world) who love drake don't really care about what he represents they just dig his songs + play them all the time and like to sing along. for this reason drake placing highly annoys me less than kanye where the ppl showering the album with praise have generally just listened to it a couple of times before declaring it genius. anyone who seriously thinks drake represents anything needs their head examined.
― whitney from mtv's the city (tpp), Friday, 17 December 2010 21:36 (thirteen years ago) link
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Friday, 17 December 2010 21:36 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah tpp i don't necessarily think all the kids putting "Say Something" and "Find Your Love" at the top of request line countdowns care much about Drake's background, i mean more in terms of the people who gave his album glowing reviews and are putting it on year-end lists
― hey young ppl world (some dude), Friday, 17 December 2010 21:40 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah i agree actually
also that boston rap list is a classic case of americans be thinkin' they bork borks
― whitney from mtv's the city (tpp), Friday, 17 December 2010 21:43 (thirteen years ago) link
looool
― hey young ppl world (some dude), Friday, 17 December 2010 21:43 (thirteen years ago) link
what does that even mean?
― The Reverend, Saturday, 18 December 2010 04:42 (thirteen years ago) link
It's the fact that Drake's commercial success has (AFAICT) actually not much to do with his "persona" that the critical leaning on it seems excessive.
And it's interesting Dan that you also cited Janelle and Tori Amos, two artists who I think also get praised and criticised in terms of their persona to an excessive degree (though certainly in both cases it's an important aspect of each artist's work). Tori is a classic case of this ultimately working against the artist because almost no-one - even among her sympathetic critics - actually plays close attention to what she's doing compositionally.
― Tim F, Saturday, 18 December 2010 05:01 (thirteen years ago) link
On Sound Opinions, DeRo even said (of the Salem album): "It makes me want to run naked through the woods, doing horrible pagan things, sacrificing goats to the dark lords below."
― Zsa Zsa Gay Bar (jaymc), Saturday, 18 December 2010 05:24 (thirteen years ago) link
His wife's Hispanic!
― Zsa Zsa Gay Bar (jaymc), Saturday, 18 December 2010 05:28 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't unreservedly love the album, but I do like Drake's chill production aesthetic. There are a few lines I cringe at here and there, but tbh, I don't really pay attention to Drake himself that much when I'm listening to it.
― Zsa Zsa Gay Bar (jaymc), Saturday, 18 December 2010 05:30 (thirteen years ago) link
Not a magazine but here's Other Music's Best of 2010
― Kevin John Bozelka, Saturday, 18 December 2010 07:11 (thirteen years ago) link
is this really true dance folx? because i quite liked the idea of the RA list as described but when i got there LCD Soundsystem, Flying Lotus, Bonobo, Four Tet and a lot of kinda dubsteppy stuff wasn't that idea.
― zvookster, Saturday, 18 December 2010 07:30 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah RA increasingly resembles FACT anyway, its focus on house and techno isn't nearly as dominating as it was, say, 3 years ago.
― Tim F, Saturday, 18 December 2010 07:57 (thirteen years ago) link
http://musosguide.com/albums-of-2010-5-1/12630
40 Baths - Cerulean39 Ariel Pink’s Haunted Graffiti - Before Today38 Actress - Splazsh37 Deerhunter - Halcyon Digest36 Frightened Rabbit - The Winter of Mixed Drinks35 Vampire Weekend - Contra34 Summer Camp - Young EP33 Field Music - Field Music (Measure)32 Allo Darlin’ - Allo Darlin’31 Flying Lotus - Cosmogramma30 The Phantom Band - The Wants29 Hot Chip - One Life Stand28 Best Coast - Crazy For You27 Yeasayer - Odd Blood26 Big Boi - Sir Lucious Left Foot: The Son of Chico Dusty25 The-Dream - Love King24 Gold Panda - Lucky Shiner23 Anais Mitchell - Hadestown22 Sleigh Bells - Treats21 Blood Red Shoes - Fire Like This20 The Radio Dept. - Clinging To A Scheme19 Caribou - Swim18 Everything Everything - Man Alive17 Sufjan Stevens - The Age of Adz16 These New Puritans - Hidden15 Owen Pallet - Heartland14 Robyn - Body Talk13 Kanye West - My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy12 Gorillaz - Plastic Beach11 Beach House - Teen Dream10 Perfume Genius - Learning9 Laura Marling - I Speak Because I Can8 Four Tet - There Is Love In You7 Foals - Total Life Forever6 LCD Soundsystem - This Is Happening5 Janelle Monae - The ArchAndroid4 Los Campesinos! - Romance is Boring3 Arcade Fire - The Suburbs2 Joanna Newsom - Have One On Me1 The National - High Violet
― Mitchell Stirling, Saturday, 18 December 2010 11:21 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm still perplexed why anyone would compared Robyn and Lady Gaga, who sound/look/etc totally different and have a completely different MO. Anyway, as a fan of both, I wonder honestly if Gaga would merit if the visual component were not so strong - if she didn't make epic gonzo videos, wear meat dresses, light things on fire, etc. Robyn, on the other hand, seems to be gaining traction minus those (cool!) peripherals. Despite a thinner voice and starker beats, she doesn't seem to need them the way Gaga does.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 18 December 2010 14:14 (thirteen years ago) link
caught up!
― call all destroyer, Saturday, 18 December 2010 16:01 (thirteen years ago) link
i guess i really need to hear those thomas koner reissues, huh? electronic AND metal people keep raving about that stuff.
― scott seward, Saturday, 18 December 2010 17:19 (thirteen years ago) link
Koner never clicked with me :(
― larry longballs money (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 18 December 2010 17:22 (thirteen years ago) link
my REAL top ten of the year would honestly just be labels. type, utech, editions mego, rune grammophon. love it all kinda.
― scott seward, Saturday, 18 December 2010 17:30 (thirteen years ago) link
sedimental, hells headbangers. okay, thats only six. but i could come up with more.
― scott seward, Saturday, 18 December 2010 17:31 (thirteen years ago) link
― larry longballs money (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 18 December 2010 17:22 (9 minutes ago)
la barca was nice
he's good but not especially groundbreaking
― nakhchivan, Saturday, 18 December 2010 17:32 (thirteen years ago) link
people who love him really seem to love him.
― scott seward, Saturday, 18 December 2010 17:33 (thirteen years ago) link
forget who listed koner on the metalsucks musicians list. isis dude, i think, and someone else.
http://www.metalsucks.net/2010/12/17/worst-year-ever-all-of-our-2010-year-end-shit-in-one-place/#more-50613
plus, just hearing a lot about him elsewhere too.
― scott seward, Saturday, 18 December 2010 17:37 (thirteen years ago) link
didn't koner remix isis a while back
i can see the crossover appeal of his heavy drone stuff
did anyone get the eleh record the wire are so fond of?
― nakhchivan, Saturday, 18 December 2010 17:39 (thirteen years ago) link
too bad its almost impossible for me to actually look at stuff on metalsucks.
― scott seward, Saturday, 18 December 2010 17:41 (thirteen years ago) link
i had an eleh record on vinyl and its almost like its not on when its on.
I got the Eleh, and um, it's kind of a challenge to listen to imo.
― O Permaban (NickB), Saturday, 18 December 2010 17:44 (thirteen years ago) link
he's good but not especially groundbreaking --nakhchivan
More like he's groundbreaking but not especially interesting. I've tried so hard with this dude!
― larry longballs money (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 18 December 2010 17:44 (thirteen years ago) link
I fuck with Eleh though
― larry longballs money (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 18 December 2010 17:45 (thirteen years ago) link
Hey, here we go...
The Wire - Avant Rock 2010
Acid Mothers Temple - In ~Ash Pool - For Which He Plies The LashExpo 70 - Where Does Your Mind Go?Michael Hurley - Blue HillsK11 - Metaphonic Portrait 1230 ADDavid Maranha - AntarcticaBill Orcutt - Way Down SouthThe Orkustra - Adventures In Experimental Electric Orchestra From The San Francisco UndergroundAriel Pink's Haunted Graffiti - Before TodayPuffy Areolas - In The Army 1981Rangda - False FlagRangers - Suburban ToursSun Circle - LessnessWooden Wand - Dream SeatXeno & Oaklander - Sentinelle
― O Permaban (NickB), Saturday, 18 December 2010 17:49 (thirteen years ago) link
^ makes me wonder where I've fucken been all year
Will post up some of the other genre lists later. Any requests?
― O Permaban (NickB), Saturday, 18 December 2010 17:51 (thirteen years ago) link
wooden wand. i remember that guy...
― scott seward, Saturday, 18 December 2010 17:51 (thirteen years ago) link
want to see the avant crunk list.
salem could end up inspiring people to make even better hybrid records. if someone made a miami bass + doom riffs album i would play it a lot. that necro deathmort album was one of the best things i heard last year and it was basically doom + beats. heavenly really.
― scott seward, Saturday, 18 December 2010 17:54 (thirteen years ago) link
need to get my annual copy of the wire, spend the long post christmas slump in front of a roaring fire with a case of port and a folder full of matthew bower .rars
― nakhchivan, Saturday, 18 December 2010 17:55 (thirteen years ago) link
I still see them as the two leading female electropop stars, although Robyn sadly hasn't managed to have the same kind of enormous superstar success that Lady Gaga does.
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Saturday, 18 December 2010 17:56 (thirteen years ago) link
i read that as matthew boner
― no hipster hats (The Brainwasher), Saturday, 18 December 2010 17:56 (thirteen years ago) link
How are Xeno and Oaklander avant rock? (It's a good list and everything...)
― Carl Jung Jeezy (Doran), Saturday, 18 December 2010 17:58 (thirteen years ago) link
The Wire - Hip Hop 2010
Cam'Ron & Vado ft. Kid Cudi - Ur Killin MeLil B - 6 KissRoc Marciano - MarcbergTravis Porter - Proud To Be A ProblemRick Ross ft. Styles P - BMF (Blowin' Money Fast)Tyler The Creator - BastardWaka Flocka Flame - FlockaveliKanye West - My Beautiful Dark Twisted FantasyYoung Dro - Freeze MeYoung L - Young L-E-N
― O Permaban (NickB), Saturday, 18 December 2010 18:06 (thirteen years ago) link
is that hua hsu
― nakhchivan, Saturday, 18 December 2010 18:07 (thirteen years ago) link
"Compiled by Andrew Nosnitsky"
― O Permaban (NickB), Saturday, 18 December 2010 18:08 (thirteen years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/atnU6.jpg
― nakhchivan, Saturday, 18 December 2010 18:14 (thirteen years ago) link
aka noz. weird to mix tracks & records in such a short list
― zvookster, Saturday, 18 December 2010 18:16 (thirteen years ago) link
Noz otm
― return of the nakh (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 18 December 2010 19:26 (thirteen years ago) link
noz is really repping for that cam & vado track, it's good but it seems like a weird choice given all the great songs they had this year
― no hipster hats (The Brainwasher), Saturday, 18 December 2010 19:27 (thirteen years ago) link
Listening to the Rangers now and it's fine (super-boring band name and album title though), but I would not have thought that sounding vaguely like Ashra Tempel would make something "avant-rock." This and the other stuff I've listened to from that Wire list so far all sounds like I could have been listening to it in the early 80s, which is fine I guess.
― _Rudipherous_, Saturday, 18 December 2010 20:45 (thirteen years ago) link
Wait, Michael Hurley is considered "avant rock" now?? (Guessing his records are still too slow and quiet for me regardless, but you never know. Still wish he'd make something like Have Moicy! again.)
― xhuxk, Saturday, 18 December 2010 20:53 (thirteen years ago) link
The criterion for being "avant" is just that it gets covered in The Wire, I think. God forbid they would write about anything other than the cutting edge (or admit to it).
― seandalai, Saturday, 18 December 2010 20:56 (thirteen years ago) link
i got nothing bad to say about the wire. someone has to write about that stuff. might as well be them. they do a good job. do kinda wish there was a Wire-y Option-esque monthly in the states though.
― scott seward, Saturday, 18 December 2010 20:59 (thirteen years ago) link
xp Then why do they need to have a separate "avant rock" list? Wouldn't that just be the same as their regular list? (Oh wait, the other stuff would be avant non-rock, maybe. I should probably read The Wire more, and I wouldn't ask such dumb questions.)
Btw, speaking of metal lists (as Scott sort of was), I think my favorite thing in the Decibel year-end issue is that the Agalloch/Ludicra guy put Blessure Grave's Judged By Twelve, Carried By Six in his Top Five. I was starting to think I was the only person who even noticed that record. (My goth album of the year, probably, if I had one. Unless Chrome Dome's EP counts, maybe.)
― xhuxk, Saturday, 18 December 2010 21:00 (thirteen years ago) link
i like young l but thats not top ten material imo
― *plop*ism rules (deej), Saturday, 18 December 2010 21:00 (thirteen years ago) link
i like all that shit except Lil B and there's def a lot in there that's not top 10 material
― larry longballs money (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 18 December 2010 21:01 (thirteen years ago) link
kinda wish there was a Wire-y Option-esque monthly in the states
Or better yet, Op-esque!
― xhuxk, Saturday, 18 December 2010 21:02 (thirteen years ago) link
sounding vaguely like Ashra Tempel
Or sometimes Durutti Column, or some lost very Krautrock/prog. influenced post-punk band.
I'm not trying to attack the Wire, really, which is kind of a passe activity at this point. I'll take the Rangers over any of the major indie rock releases I've heard from this year.
― _Rudipherous_, Saturday, 18 December 2010 21:03 (thirteen years ago) link
Signal To Noise is American, right?
― larry longballs money (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 18 December 2010 21:04 (thirteen years ago) link
actually when i think about it, young L makes perfect sense as an act that the wire should be into
― *plop*ism rules (deej), Saturday, 18 December 2010 21:05 (thirteen years ago) link
The reason it's called Avant Rock is because that is a monthly reviews section in The Wire. The Wire has a large, long general reviews section which covers all genres with a few featured reviews and then various subgenres have one page each of about ~10 1-2 paragraph reviews. So the Avant Rock is just a wire-designated subgenre that they use to organize reviews. They also have a review section called "Outer Limits" which is significantly more vague and broad than "Avant Rock." I would say Avant Rock roughly spans the line of accessibility from indie-crossover territory (Ariel Pink) to "anything using a guitar" (Bill Orcutt). Rangers and Xeno & Oaklander are the only dubious inclusions under that rubric.
― Badmotorfinger Debate Club (MFB), Saturday, 18 December 2010 21:05 (thirteen years ago) link
x-posts
I think so. I won't buy it any more because the print is too small and the text is too close to the binding. Also Signal to Noise is a little more: interviews with people who do pirate radio broadcasts of electro-acoustic improv out in the middle of Utah.
― _Rudipherous_, Saturday, 18 December 2010 21:06 (thirteen years ago) link
It must mean something because I think I tend to end up liking things labeled "avant rock" more than I do things labeled indie rock.
― _Rudipherous_, Saturday, 18 December 2010 21:07 (thirteen years ago) link
i was reading some old signal to noise issues. they are interesting. they really like sun ra.
― scott seward, Saturday, 18 December 2010 21:10 (thirteen years ago) link
would be interested to read whiney/deej's picks for 2010 hiphop top 10
― cozen, Saturday, 18 December 2010 21:15 (thirteen years ago) link
i usually do a top 25—i'll drop that in January.
― larry longballs money (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 18 December 2010 21:25 (thirteen years ago) link
Bick B -- please post The Wire's Outer Limits and Electronica lists next! :)
― t**t, Saturday, 18 December 2010 21:41 (thirteen years ago) link
sorry, Nick :(
noz likes the kanye? u________u
― k3vin k., Saturday, 18 December 2010 22:37 (thirteen years ago) link
Why don't you guys go support the Wire and buy a copy, ffs
― larry longballs money (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 18 December 2010 22:38 (thirteen years ago) link
FYI, YOU WHINEY G, my fkn subsriber's copy hasnnae gotten here yet! FFS :D
― t**t, Saturday, 18 December 2010 22:48 (thirteen years ago) link
xp - ha!
My subscription copy hasn't arrived yet. Snow disruption innit.
― seandalai, Saturday, 18 December 2010 22:49 (thirteen years ago) link
i think it's whiney g who, out of spite, 's holding back our copies. ffs, too.
― t**t, Saturday, 18 December 2010 22:50 (thirteen years ago) link
WHINEY GIVE US OUR WIRES
― seandalai, Saturday, 18 December 2010 22:51 (thirteen years ago) link
Expo 70 sounds like electronic music 1981 (with some sort of Pauline Oliveros accordion drone intro--or was that not an accordion?).
― _Rudipherous_, Saturday, 18 December 2010 22:52 (thirteen years ago) link
The Wire - Outer Limits 2010
Alessandro Bosetti - ZwolfzungenCold Cave/Prurient - Stars ExplodeEmeralds - Does It Look Like I'm Here?Evil Moisture - If You Want To Fuck The Sky, Teach Your Cock To FlyRobin Fox - A Handful Of AutomationThe Haters/Hal Hutchinson - Xylowave 2010/Amplification IIHum Of The Druid - Norse FumigationRolf Julius - Music For The EarsKeranen - Bats In The AtticMonos - Above The SkyPedestrian Deposit - East Fork/North ForkDave Phillips - ?Sculpture - Rotary Signal EmitterSudden Infant - My Life's A GunshotVomit - Resonance
― O Permaban (NickB), Saturday, 18 December 2010 23:06 (thirteen years ago) link
Evil Moisture - If You Want To Fuck The Sky, Teach Your Cock To Fly
I don't believe in any of those.
― _Rudipherous_, Saturday, 18 December 2010 23:08 (thirteen years ago) link
The Wire - Electronica 2010
Luke Abbott - Holkham DronesJ Bliebz x Shamantis - U Smile 800% SlowerJames Blake - KlavierwerkeFranz Bretschneider - EXPCluster - QuaEkoplekz - Stalag Zero/Distended DubKangding Ray - Pruitt IgoeLoveliescrushing - CrwthNest - RetoldPhilippe Petit - Off To TitanRaime - Raime EPNicholas Szczepanik - Dear DadT++ - WirelessDavid Tagg - PentecostVex'd - Cloud Seed
― O Permaban (NickB), Saturday, 18 December 2010 23:14 (thirteen years ago) link
J Bliebz x Shamantis - U Smile 800% Slower
awes
i nominated this in the tracks poll (tho under jbieb only)
will be proselytizing in its favour in the weeks to come
― nakhchivan, Saturday, 18 December 2010 23:17 (thirteen years ago) link
the wire EOY issue is always worth getting btw
― nakhchivan, Saturday, 18 December 2010 23:18 (thirteen years ago) link
Shit, I did a typo there, maybe I was thinking about Blieb Alien
― O Permaban (NickB), Saturday, 18 December 2010 23:19 (thirteen years ago) link
http://realniggatumblr.tumblr.com/post/2365720006/rnts-top-25-tracks-of-2010-that-went-under-the
Yo Gotti (feat.Rick Ross, Young Jeezy, and The Clipse)-“Cocaine Muzik”E-40 (feat.Clyde Carson & Husalah)-“Lightweight Jammin”Plies-“Boosie”Gucci Mane & Waka Flocka Flame-“Bite Me”Stunnaman (feat.Young L)-“Paper Birds”Juicy J (feat.Billy Wes & Mac Pooh)-“Styrofoam Cup”Meek Mill-“Indian Bounce”Playaz Circle (feat.Young Buck)-“Issues”Jackie Chain (feat.D Love)-“Long Way”Rittz-“My Time Is Now”Diezel (feat.Jadakiss, Alley Boy, and Count)-“Straight Off The Block”G-Side (feat.Chris Lee)-“Money In The Sky”Mookie Jones (feat.Smoke DZA)-“Cloud Making Machine”Mike Bigga (feat.Ludacris & Game)-“Still My Nigga”Jim Jones (feat. Joell Ortiz & Chink Santana)-“Cocaine Dreams”Tity Boi (feat.Dolla Boi)-“Not Ya Ordinary”David Banner-“Who’s That”French Montana (feat.Project Pat & Juicy J)-“Money, Weed, Blow”Tay Don-“Robbin Season”Yukmouth-“Grittin”Freddie Gibbs (feat.Pill)-“Do Wrong”KD-“Better Than Mine”L.E.P. Bogus Boys-“Goin’ In For The Kill”Alley Boy-“Shiester”Skroodle-“Get Yo Shit Right”
― *plop*ism rules (deej), Saturday, 18 December 2010 23:30 (thirteen years ago) link
I know one place where "LIGHTWEIGHT JAMMIN" didn't go under the radar
― larry longballs money (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 18 December 2010 23:36 (thirteen years ago) link
RNT = rap blog of the year
― return of the nakh (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 18 December 2010 23:38 (thirteen years ago) link
http://gifsofpopularrappers.tumblr.com/
― larry longballs money (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 18 December 2010 23:40 (thirteen years ago) link
"Alessandro Bosetti - Zwolfzungen"
nice! so that makes dusted, the wire, and me big upping the bosetti.
― scott seward, Saturday, 18 December 2010 23:44 (thirteen years ago) link
its too bad that this is all i think of when someone references st. pete, FL, even if its a rapper named Skroodle
― *plop*ism rules (deej), Saturday, 18 December 2010 23:45 (thirteen years ago) link
― xhuxk, Saturday, December 18, 2010 12:53 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark
if you get a chance you should check out the Ida Con Snock LP from last year, more energy than any Hurley record in, well, uh, decades.
― sleeve, Saturday, 18 December 2010 23:45 (thirteen years ago) link
i just sent the wire a list of rap shit that i liked. they alphabetized it weirdly (ie. Porter, Travis; Marciano, Roc) which can be confusing. i don't actually think that cam'ron and vado is #1.
whiney did you listen to 6 kiss specifically? i saw you lump him in with die antwood on that list where you rant about things you hate which makes me think you didn't.
― the only tastemaker (noz), Saturday, 18 December 2010 23:52 (thirteen years ago) link
Snubbing the Perennial Critics' Darlings Department: I have not seen the Magnetic Fields 'Realism" album mentioned on any poll, anywhere. This makes me want to go back and listen to it again. I don't remember a single song, or even a title, from it.
― Fruitless and Pansy Free (Dr. Joseph A. Ofalt), Sunday, 19 December 2010 04:18 (thirteen years ago) link
stephen o'malley's top 10 list from metalsucks.com is awesomeeeeee
STEPHEN O’MALLEY, SUNN O))), KHANATE, BURNING WITCH, etc.1. Seijaku, Mail from Fushitsusha (Doubt Records)2. Seijaku, Mail from Fushitsusha (Doubt Records)3. Seijaku, Mail from Fushitsusha (Doubt Records)4. Seijaku, Mail from Fushitsusha (Doubt Records)5. Seijaku, Mail from Fushitsusha (Doubt Records)6. Seijaku, Mail from Fushitsusha (Doubt Records)7. Seijaku, Mail from Fushitsusha (Doubt Records)8. Seijaku, Mail from Fushitsusha (Doubt Records)9. Seijaku, Mail from Fushitsusha (Doubt Records)10. Seijaku, Mail from Fushitsusha (Doubt Records)At least this month. Haino rules.
1. Seijaku, Mail from Fushitsusha (Doubt Records)2. Seijaku, Mail from Fushitsusha (Doubt Records)3. Seijaku, Mail from Fushitsusha (Doubt Records)4. Seijaku, Mail from Fushitsusha (Doubt Records)5. Seijaku, Mail from Fushitsusha (Doubt Records)6. Seijaku, Mail from Fushitsusha (Doubt Records)7. Seijaku, Mail from Fushitsusha (Doubt Records)8. Seijaku, Mail from Fushitsusha (Doubt Records)9. Seijaku, Mail from Fushitsusha (Doubt Records)10. Seijaku, Mail from Fushitsusha (Doubt Records)
At least this month. Haino rules.
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Sunday, 19 December 2010 04:20 (thirteen years ago) link
Really? O'Malley is such a transparent poseur.
― Badmotorfinger Debate Club (MFB), Sunday, 19 December 2010 08:05 (thirteen years ago) link
that's quite the li-brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
― markers, Sunday, 19 December 2010 22:04 (thirteen years ago) link
Is that the only list on this entire thread to include T.Swift? If so, smh.
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 19 December 2010 23:52 (thirteen years ago) link
rolling stone, #13 & popmatters country list
― zvookster, Monday, 20 December 2010 00:06 (thirteen years ago) link
didn't see the popmatters country. #13 in rolling stone seems begrudging, but ok.
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Monday, 20 December 2010 00:07 (thirteen years ago) link
don't see what's begrudging abt it. the 17 acts that placed behind her must be begrudged to the max.
― zvookster, Monday, 20 December 2010 00:10 (thirteen years ago) link
rs has always reviewed her well
― return of the nakh (J0rdan S.), Monday, 20 December 2010 00:10 (thirteen years ago) link
so this how to dress well dude's songs list is incredibly close to mine* (and quite a few other ilxors, too), i guess i should give his album a try?
*JoJo, Ciara feat. The-Dream, Wut, FILA, Alicia, etc.
― ok (Tape Store), Monday, 20 December 2010 17:02 (thirteen years ago) link
The Grinch Who Nearly Stole Fester's Lucky 13http://www.fastnbulbous.com/2010-best.jpg
Year-End Summary, Fester's Lucky 13, Top 100 and genre lists, and mix are complete! I also did horrible things to Dr. Seuss' Grinch...
01. Ufomammut - Eve (Supernatural Cat) 02. Vampire Weekend – Contra (XL) 03. LoneLady - Nerve Up (Warp) 04. Motorpsycho - Heavy Metal Fruit (Rune Grammofon) 05. Teeth Of The Sea - Your Mercury (Rocket) 06. LCD Soundsystem - This Is Happening (DFA/Virgin) 07. The Soft Pack (Kemado) 08. Kvelertak (Indie Recordings) 09. Julie Christmas - The Bad Wife (Rising Pulse) 10. New Young Pony Club - The Optimist (PIAS) 11. These New Puritans - Hidden (Domino) 12. Robyn - Body Talk (Interscope) 13. Napoleon IIIrd - Christiania (Brainlove) 14. The Chap - Well Done, Europe (Lo) 15. Yeasayer – Odd Blood (Secretly Canadian) 16. Flying Lotus - Cosmogramma (Warp) 17. Sennen - Age Of Denial (Hungry Audio) 18. Tame Impala - Innerspeaker (Modular) 19. Nina Nastasia - Outlaster (Fat Cat) 20. Crippled Black Phoenix - I, Vigilante (+1) 21. Ed Harcourt - Lustre (Piano Wolf) 22. Grinderman - Grinderman 2 (Epitaph) 23. Wild Nothing - Gemini/Golden Haze EP (Captured Tracks) 24. Dungen - Skit I Allt (Mexican Summer) 25. Warpaint - The Fool (Rough Trade) 26. Swans - My Father Will Guide Me Up a Rope To the Sky (Young God) 27. Killing Joke - Absolute Dissent (Spinefarm) 28. Janelle Monáe - The ArchAndroid (Suites II and III) (Bad Boy/Atlantic) 29. High On Fire - Snakes For The Divine (Relapse) 30. Good Shoes - No Hope No Future (Brille) 31. How To Dress Well - Love Remains (Lefse) 32. Abe Vigoda - Crush (Bella Union/Post Present Medium) 33. Intronaut - Valley Of Smoke (Century Media) 34. Slough Feg - The Animal Spirits (Profound Lore) 35. Kylesa - Spiral Shadow (Season Of Mist) 36. The Walkmen - Lisbon (Fat Possum) 37. Gozu - Locust Season (Small Stone) 38. Maximum Balloon (Interscope) 39. Grass Widow - Past Time (Kill Rock Stars) 40. Anika (Stones Throw) 41. Gonjasufi - A Sufi And A Killer (Warp) 42. Zola Jesus - Stridulum II (Sacred Bones/Soulterrain) 43. The Fall - Your Future Our Clutter (Domino) 44. White Denim - Last Day Of Summer (White Denim) 45. Rangers - Suburban Tours (Olde English Spelling Bee) 46. Shining - Blackjazz (The End) 47. Årabrot - Revenge (Fysisk Format) 48. Emeralds - Does It Look Like I'm Here? (Editions Mego) 49. Lower Dens - Twin-Hand Movement (Gnomonsong) 50. Liars - Sisterworld (Mute) 51. Roots Manuva Meets Wrongtom - Duppy Writer (Big Dada) 52. Black Breath - Heavy Breathing (Southern Lord) 53. Spoon – Transference (Merge) 54. Beach House - Teen Dream (Sub Pop) 55. Dawnbringer - Nucleus (Profound Lore) 56. The Sword - Warp Riders (Kemado) 57. Forest Swords - Dagger Path (Olde English Spelling Bee) 58. Dax Riggs - Say Goodnight To The World (Fat Possum) 59. Prins Thomas (Full Pupp) 60. Wovenhand - The Threshingfloor (Sounds Familyre) 61. Errors - Come Down With Me (Rock Action) 62. Caribou - Swim (Merge) 63. Alcest - Écailles De Lune (Prophecy) 64. Diddy Dirty Money - Last Train To Paris (Bad Boy) 65. Oneohtrix Point Never - Returnal (Editions Mego) 66. Ariel Pink's Haunted Graffitti - Before Today (4AD) 67. Nachtmystium - Addicts - Black Meddle Pt II (Century Media) 68. El Guincho - Pop Negro (XL) 69. Enslaved - Axioma Ethica Odini (Nuclear Blast) 70. Twin Shadow - Forget (Red General) 71. Hot Chip – One Life Stand (EMI) 72. Laura Marling - I Speak Because I Can (Astralwerks) 73. Matthew Dear - Black City (Ghostly International) 74. Black Mountain - Wilderness Heart (Jagjaguwar) 75. Moon Wiring Club - A Spare Tabby at the Cat's Wedding (Geophonic) 76. Four Tet - There Is Love In You (Domino) 77. Torche - Songs For Singles EP (Hydra Head) 78. Joanna Newsom - Have One On Me (Drag City) 79. Jonsi - Go (XL) 80. White Hills (Thrill Jockey) 81. Autre Ne Veut (Olde English Spelling Bee) 82. Quest For Fire - Lights From Paradise (Tee Pee) 83. Sahg - Sahg III (Indie Recordings) 84. Sleepy Sun - Fever (ATP) 85. Gypsyhawk - Patience And Persevereace (Creator-Destructor) 86. Black Milk - Album of the Year (Fat Beats) 87. Envy - Recitation (Temporary Residence) 88. Islaja - Keraaminen Paa (Fonal) 89. Electric Wizard - Black Masses (Rise Above) 90. Crocodiles - Sleep Forever (Fat Possum) 91. Ghost - Opus Eponymous (Rise Above) 92. Iron Maiden - The Final Frontier (EMI) 93. Nails - Unsilent Death EP (Southern Lord) 94. Die Antwoord - $O$ (Interscope) 95. Salem - King Night (Iamsound) 96. Three Mile Pilot - Inevitable Past Is The Future Forgotten (Temporary Residence) 97. Christian Mistress - Agony & Opium (20 Buck Spin) 98. Grand Magus - Hammer Of The North (Roadrunner) 99. Wino - Adrift (Exile On Mainstream) 100. Actress - Splazsh (Honest Jon's)
2010 Breakdown: Top 13 Genre Lists | Shows | Movies & Books
― Fastnbulbous, Monday, 20 December 2010 17:30 (thirteen years ago) link
Fuck yeah, way to big-up the Julie Christmas
― buzzoff (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 20 December 2010 17:31 (thirteen years ago) link
That is a great list.
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 20 December 2010 17:33 (thirteen years ago) link
Thanks, it's a relief to be done. If I spent any more time re-listening and reconsidering most of those albums, I'd go crazy. Time for the annual massage to fix my neck. Since last night I've already learned about six more albums I would have liked to have considered, but I'm done. Apologies for anyone fond of the Grinch. I couldn't resist.
― Fastnbulbous, Monday, 20 December 2010 17:57 (thirteen years ago) link
um, the grinch is a mean one iirc
― buzzoff (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 20 December 2010 18:09 (thirteen years ago) link
Seriously though, great list. Ufomammut is def gonna make mine.
― buzzoff (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 20 December 2010 18:10 (thirteen years ago) link
If anyone cares, my top 100 tracks are here: http://thediscography.tumblr.com/post/2390210144/michaelangelo-matoss-top-100-tracks-of-2010
― slow a cat sample down 800 percent (Matos W.K.), Monday, 20 December 2010 18:28 (thirteen years ago) link
Ooh yeah! Thanx! Do you have an album list anywhere?
― Kevin John Bozelka, Monday, 20 December 2010 18:29 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm trying to figure out where to post my top 100 or 150 or however many it is albums. (Not gonna start a blog or even an ILM thread just for that purpose, but I want to put it somewhere. Maybe I'll just make it a comment on somebody else's blog, or something.)
― xhuxk, Monday, 20 December 2010 18:42 (thirteen years ago) link
start a thread here for it! and then start a blog.
― scott seward, Monday, 20 December 2010 18:44 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah xhuxk just paste it here.
― Kevin John Bozelka, Monday, 20 December 2010 18:46 (thirteen years ago) link
Nah, that's not what this thread is for. I'm not a poll! Or even a magazine.
My extended singles list is such a mess I'm not even gonna attempt it. (I.e., the order's all out of whack, and hurts my head whenever I start trying to fix it, and in the past month or two I haven't even been adding new singles I liked. There's just been too many, and callibrating is starting to feel like work. Did manage a good P&J top ten, though.)
― xhuxk, Monday, 20 December 2010 18:47 (thirteen years ago) link
Oh pshaw. Just do it. Besides, don't you remember that rare X-Ray Spex b-side "Xhuxk is a Poll"?
― Kevin John Bozelka, Monday, 20 December 2010 18:48 (thirteen years ago) link
Wherever you end up posting it, make sure you let us know, that is one I'll really want to see. I think you should start a thread about the blog you'll start to generate buzz website you've created that will provide links to where we can buy the book you'll publish which will feature the list you've compiled.
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 20 December 2010 18:48 (thirteen years ago) link
i think we should let anyone with the balls/deeplisteningskills to do a top 100 like chuck, matos or fastnbulb to post in this thread
― buzzoff (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 20 December 2010 18:48 (thirteen years ago) link
Mine is coming Jan 3, btw :)
― buzzoff (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 20 December 2010 18:49 (thirteen years ago) link
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 20 December 2010 18:52 (thirteen years ago) link
no chuck i meant start your own top 100 or whatever thread. i'd like to check it out.
― scott seward, Monday, 20 December 2010 18:52 (thirteen years ago) link
here you go. if you feel like it:
XHUXK'S TOP 100+ ALBUMS OF 2010!
― scott seward, Monday, 20 December 2010 18:59 (thirteen years ago) link
or, you know, start your own. i'm just trying to avoid cleaning the kitchen.
― scott seward, Monday, 20 December 2010 19:00 (thirteen years ago) link
xkuxk def. needs to post his lists here, or elsewhere on ilx
gonna spend the afternoon going thru fastnbulbous/matos lists, those look fabulous at a glance
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Monday, 20 December 2010 19:07 (thirteen years ago) link
Bulbs has the first list i've seen with Islaja on it, I need to go and listen to that properly.
― O Permaban (NickB), Monday, 20 December 2010 19:12 (thirteen years ago) link
that realniggatumblr list is the SHIT, i'm gonna put it in a rar
― een, Monday, 20 December 2010 20:59 (thirteen years ago) link
if the thread is opening up to individual critics posting their own lists, here are my top 50 singles:
http://narrowcast.blogspot.com/2010/12/top-50-singles-of-2010.html
warning: lots of cheesy pop stuff that makes whiney reflexively go "just SB'd/unfollowed you for liking that song"
― some dude, Monday, 20 December 2010 21:13 (thirteen years ago) link
also never posted this but here's the Baltimore City Paper's top 10 and local top 10 that i helped put together:
http://citypaper.com/special/topten/the-year-in-music-1.1073877
http://citypaper.com/special/topten/the-year-in-local-music-1.1073875
― some dude, Monday, 20 December 2010 21:15 (thirteen years ago) link
never saw j. cole compared to drake
― zvookster, Monday, 20 December 2010 21:16 (thirteen years ago) link
bitch i got that flame... JOHNNY STORM
― buzzoff (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 20 December 2010 21:18 (thirteen years ago) link
deej won't post this, but his list is very good
http://somanyshrimp.com/2010/12/20/davids-somanyshrimp-best-raps-2010/
― return of the nakh (J0rdan S.), Monday, 20 December 2010 21:22 (thirteen years ago) link
god what a fucking dickface, I hope he's around so I we can argue about this shitty list!
― buzzoff (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 20 December 2010 21:25 (thirteen years ago) link
(just kidding, deej's list is great!!)
loool didn't notice #7 last time
― buzzoff (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 20 December 2010 21:26 (thirteen years ago) link
i love everything i know from that list (about 20% of it, naturally) and am really thrilled w/ all the youtube links: that's one of my favorite year-end formats, when i can quickly click over and check out the stuff i haven't yet heard
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Monday, 20 December 2010 21:28 (thirteen years ago) link
Love deej's choice for number one album. Probably my most listened to rap album from the year, but not hard when theres just so many songs.
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 20 December 2010 21:30 (thirteen years ago) link
JAG (I collated it) but the SOMB list is probably in it's most interesting stage (below 40) and is being counted down right now.
Has ridiculous stats like average age of voters for records etc http://www.soundopinions.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=23758
― Mitchell Stirling, Monday, 20 December 2010 21:32 (thirteen years ago) link
al's list is fun to read but i lol @ how many blurbs they are that are like "i hate this artist & everything involved w/ him, but this was p. good"
― *plop*ism rules (deej), Monday, 20 December 2010 21:34 (thirteen years ago) link
lol yeah that probably is a pattern i could stand to avoid more
― some dude, Monday, 20 December 2010 21:34 (thirteen years ago) link
i think that's how singles lists kind of should be, though, moments where you can divorce yourself from feelings about the artist and just enjoy the song
― some dude, Monday, 20 December 2010 21:35 (thirteen years ago) link
oh i dunno its interesting bcuz you center around the charts a lot more than i do, so i miss out on decent singles by often-garbage artists ... good to have someone sorting thru the crap lol
― *plop*ism rules (deej), Monday, 20 December 2010 21:36 (thirteen years ago) link
xp yeah
as far as my album's list, i forgot twista, which was very very good i thought. sorry yo gotti u are bumped
― *plop*ism rules (deej), Monday, 20 December 2010 21:37 (thirteen years ago) link
Permalink for my Top 150 LPs, in case anybody missed it:
― xhuxk, Monday, 20 December 2010 21:38 (thirteen years ago) link
lol @ me following some dude's blog for a long time and not knowing that was him!
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 20 December 2010 21:39 (thirteen years ago) link
haha cool
― some dude, Monday, 20 December 2010 21:40 (thirteen years ago) link
a gr8 list deej
― flopson, Monday, 20 December 2010 21:40 (thirteen years ago) link
15. Sara Bareilles - “King Of Anything”
this song is good although its not a patch on 'winter song'. kinda lol that u rate this stuff tho
― forGet (Lamp), Monday, 20 December 2010 21:43 (thirteen years ago) link
you center around the charts a lot more than i do, so i miss out on decent singles by often-garbage artists ... good to have someone sorting thru the crap lol
man i am so glad someone listened to the pop charts this year, sorted thru all the CRAP, and then came out on their blog at year's end to tell me HOW AMAZINGLY WORTH MY TIME "HEY SOUL SISTER" BY TRAIN REALLY IS
couldnt live without u <3
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Monday, 20 December 2010 21:43 (thirteen years ago) link
(j/k, enjoyed yr list shipley)
I'm always surprised by how secretly pleased I am when Neon Trees' "Animal" comes on the radio, and I felt the same way seeing it on al's list.
― Tim F, Monday, 20 December 2010 21:57 (thirteen years ago) link
I forgot to mention, my link upthread also links to a mix of selections from the top 100, if you click on the image with the 20 albums, my cat, Krampus, the Grinch, etc. I'll also send Part 2 to anyone who wants more via PM.
"The Grinch hated lists! And the music within them!Now, please don't ask why. How he couldn't like LCD Soundsystem..."
― Fastnbulbous, Tuesday, 21 December 2010 00:10 (thirteen years ago) link
Might as well post this here - my list:
http://www.moteldemoka.com/2010/12/15/mokas-top-10-albums-2010-2/
Aboombong – Asynchronic (Self released)Alessandro Bosetti – Zwölfzungen (Sedimental)Ariel Pink’s Haunted Graffiti – Before Today (4ad)Graffiti6 – Colours (NWFree)Jatoma – s/t (Kompakt)John Roberts – Glass Eights (Dial)Monster Rally – Coral (self released)Tame Impala – Innerspeaker (Modular)Wild Nothing – Gemini (Captured Tracks)Zs – New Slaves (The Social Registry)
― Moka, Tuesday, 21 December 2010 02:29 (thirteen years ago) link
Dusted Magazine's staff lists as usual are the best ones I've seen this year.
― Moka, Tuesday, 21 December 2010 02:30 (thirteen years ago) link
Motel De Moka!
― buzzoff (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 December 2010 02:40 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm not feeling Jamey J. Is there a silver medal winner for this years "major label country dude that nerds have passing interest in"
― smangda (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 December 2010 05:59 (thirteen years ago) link
or woman or band, obv
i think he is the silver medalist after taylor swift
― return of the nakh (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 21 December 2010 06:00 (thirteen years ago) link
t. swizzle obv
hahahahaha xp j0rd
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Tuesday, 21 December 2010 06:00 (thirteen years ago) link
ok, how about a bronze medalist cause i aint feeling swift either
― smangda (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 December 2010 06:04 (thirteen years ago) link
maybe u should give up
― return of the nakh (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 21 December 2010 06:04 (thirteen years ago) link
swift is sooooo gud u crazy whiney
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Tuesday, 21 December 2010 06:08 (thirteen years ago) link
http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/f/f6/Kanyexploitable2.png
― smangda (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 December 2010 06:12 (thirteen years ago) link
Whiney G. Weingarten!
― Moka, Tuesday, 21 December 2010 06:38 (thirteen years ago) link
Johnny Cash's Ain't No Grave isn't bad if you don't mind his fragile sounding voice. Willie Nelson album maybe?
― Fastnbulbous, Tuesday, 21 December 2010 06:48 (thirteen years ago) link
Oh yeah, Cash is on my list for sure. Love that. Will check out the Willie
― smangda (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 December 2010 06:51 (thirteen years ago) link
i even got a willie display name for the occassion
― the red-headed smanger (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 December 2010 06:57 (thirteen years ago) link
Magiska's Accumulated Top 40 of 2010:
1. Teen Dream – Beach House (4,011)2. High Violet – The National (3,509)3. Halcyon Digest – Deerhunter (3,022)4. The Suburbs – Arcade Fire (2,693)5. Before Today – Ariel Pink’s Haunted Graffiti (2,031)6. Have One on Me – Joanna Newsom (1,672)7. Swim – Caribou (1,468)8. My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy – Kanye West (1,268)9. Forget – Twin Shadow (1,178)10. Innerspeaker – Tame Impala (1,107)11. This Is Happening – LCD Soundsystem (1,097)12. Contra – Vampire Weekend (1,086)13. Go – Jónsi (1,047)14. The Age of Adz – Sufjan Stevens (1,038)15. Gemini – Wild Nothing (1,025)16. Clinging to a Scheme – The Radio Dept. (1,009)17. Brothers – The Black Keys (1,005)18. The Wild Hunt – The Tallest Man on Earth (958)19. The Monitor – Titus Andronicus (940)20. The Courage of Others – Midlake (868)21. Heartland – Owen Pallett (852)22. King of the Beach – Wavves (733)23. Total Life Forever – Foals (721)24. A Sufi and a Killer – Gonjasufi (720)25. Write About Love – Belle & Sebastian (708)26. In Evening Air – Future Islands (671)27. Odd Blood – Yeasayer (648)28. Cosmogramma – Flying Lotus (645)29. Down the Way – Angus and Julia Stone (633)30. Black Noise – Pantha du Prince (629)31. The Fool – Warpaint (602)32. The ArchAndroid – Janelle Monáe (592)33. Stridulum II – Zola Jesus (550)34. Broken Bells – Broken Bells (544)35. I’m New Here – Gil-Scott Heron (521)36. Queen of Denmark – John Grant (516)37. Avi Buffalo – Avi Buffalo (512)38. I Speak Because I Can – Laura Marling (511)39. Astro Coast – Surfer Blood (492)40. Body Talk – Robyn (432)
― World Series champion San Francisco Giants (Bee OK), Tuesday, 21 December 2010 06:57 (thirteen years ago) link
what a drag that list is
― the red-headed smanger (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 December 2010 06:59 (thirteen years ago) link
what is magiska
― return of the nakh (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 21 December 2010 06:59 (thirteen years ago) link
not sure i feel compelled to find out based on that list
― return of the nakh (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 21 December 2010 07:00 (thirteen years ago) link
The Beach House album is the dullest thing I heard all year. Flabbergasted by it's polling so high so often.
― Captain Ostensible (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 21 December 2010 07:01 (thirteen years ago) link
it's a pleasantly soporific listen. by the time the second track hits i am waaaaaayyy off in zzzzzzzZZZzzzZZZzzzZzzzZzzz land
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Tuesday, 21 December 2010 07:10 (thirteen years ago) link
what is http://magiska.vlsweb.net.br/
it's "Magic for your ears."
― World Series champion San Francisco Giants (Bee OK), Tuesday, 21 December 2010 07:13 (thirteen years ago) link
You like my list Whiney? I'm not sure what to make out of your comment.
― Moka, Tuesday, 21 December 2010 07:15 (thirteen years ago) link
I just like the name of your blog!
― the red-headed smanger (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 December 2010 07:25 (thirteen years ago) link
But yeah, def props on Zs and Jatoma, they're gonna figure very high 4 me
― the red-headed smanger (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 December 2010 07:26 (thirteen years ago) link
oh! thank you I like your name too. As
I explain on my blurb I'm not sure why I like the Jatoma so much, I've been listening for several weeks now and still can't remember any of the songs yet it keeps me wanting to hear it again.
― Moka, Tuesday, 21 December 2010 07:36 (thirteen years ago) link
Any Decent Music's Top 10 of the Top 10.
"We've compiled the best-album rankings from 27 magazines, newspapers and websites from our sources to provide a comprehensive reflection of the critical favourites of the year. It's the ultimate "Best of the Best Albums of 2010" chart. Declared: Uncut, Mojo, Q, The Skinny, Drowned in Sound, NME, Bowlegs, Clash, AV Club, Spin, Rolling Stone, The Quietus, music OMH, The Fly, Pop Matters, Prefix, Rave Magazine, Slant Magazine, Faster Louder, No Ripcord, The Guardian, Tiny Mix Tapes, Pitchfork, Daily Telegraph, Consequence of Sound, State, The Line Of Best Fit"
― Huey in Bristol (Huey in Melbourne), Tuesday, 21 December 2010 09:26 (thirteen years ago) link
Sadly it looks as though i won't be able to read that after all
― buzza, Tuesday, 21 December 2010 09:34 (thirteen years ago) link
Simon Reynolds' 10 for 2010
Rangers, Suburban ToursAriel Pink's Haunted Graffiti, Before TodayGonjasufi, A Sufi and a KillerVampire Weekend, ContraOneohtrix Point Never, ReturnalMoon Wiring Club, A Spare Tabby at the Cat's WeddingActress, SplazshDie Antwoord, $O$D.D. Denham, Electronic Music in the ClassroomFaust, Faust Is Last
the next 10Jim Ferraro, On AirSun Araw, On PatrolWoebot, MoanadMordant Music, MisinforMationLonelady, Nerve UpSalem, King NightEmeralds, Does It Look Like I'm Here?These New Puritans, HiddenRaime, EPToro Y Moi, Causers of This
another 10Terror Danjah, UndeniableVarious/Ostgun Ton, Fünf Dolphins Into the Future, The Music of BeliefPantha Du Prince, Black NoiseVarious, Riddim Box: Excursions in the UK Funky UndergroundDemdike Stare, Voices of DustFlying Lotus, CosmogrammaJames Blake, KlavierwerkeDarkstar, NorthHigh Places, High Places vs. Mankind
10 tracks for 2010Die Antwoord, "Jou Ma Se Poes In 'n Fishpaste Jar"Ariel Pink's Haunted Graffiti, "Round and Round"Lil Wayne featuring Nicki Minaj, "Knockout"Far East Family, "Like A G6"Girl Unit, "Wut"James Blake, "Limit To Your Love"Darkstar, "Gold"Vampire Weekend, "Diplomat's Son"Ramadanman, "Don't Change For Me"Oneohtrix Point Never, "Preyouandi"
9 reissues for 2010Method Actors, This Is Still ItThe Advisory Circle, Mind How You Go(Revised Edition)Shades of Rhythm, Shades of RhythmBelbury Poly,Farmer's Angle (Revised Edition)Next Stop Soweto Volume 1: Township Sounds from the Golden Age of MbaqangaUB40,Signing OffTristam Cary, It's Time For Tristam Cary: Works for Film, Television, Exhibition & SculptureWalter Gibbons, Jungle Music: mixed With Love: Essential & Unreleased Remixes, 1976-1986Kris Needs presents... Dirty Water: The Birth of Punk Attitude
― Dan S, Tuesday, 21 December 2010 17:48 (thirteen years ago) link
die antwoord??? salem??? wtf
― *plop*ism rules (deej), Tuesday, 21 December 2010 17:48 (thirteen years ago) link
Plus, that Rangers album is Salem/Antwoord for The Wire set
― the red-headed smanger (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 December 2010 18:01 (thirteen years ago) link
also wtf at the wayne/nicki song that he1geson aptly described as an mxpx b-side
― some dude, Tuesday, 21 December 2010 18:03 (thirteen years ago) link
I know how the snowball effect works, but I have to say it was brave Lewis & Clark shit for the first rock critic who ever played a song by something called "Ramadanman"
― the red-headed smanger (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 December 2010 18:08 (thirteen years ago) link
"Hmmm, this sounds fucking terrible, I wonder what it is"
― the red-headed smanger (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 December 2010 18:09 (thirteen years ago) link
mxpx = magnified plaid?not sure I get the reference
― Dan S, Tuesday, 21 December 2010 18:12 (thirteen years ago) link
uh, i think you got the reference
― the red-headed smanger (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 December 2010 18:13 (thirteen years ago) link
Knowledge Reigns Supreme Over Nearly Every One?not sure I get the reference
― the red-headed smanger (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 December 2010 18:15 (thirteen years ago) link
KRS-OneO
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 21 December 2010 18:18 (thirteen years ago) link
haaaaaa
― Tina Tina Cheneuse (DJP), Tuesday, 21 December 2010 18:21 (thirteen years ago) link
"Alessandro Bosetti – Zwölfzungen (Sedimental)"
yeah, you go, moka!
i honestly thought i would be the only person putting this on a list. its nice to be proven wrong.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 21 December 2010 18:22 (thirteen years ago) link
chillwave split:KRS-OneO/ooOOooooO
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 21 December 2010 18:22 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm always curious about Ferraro's albums, but have yet to find one that really stands out for me
― Dan S, Tuesday, 21 December 2010 18:28 (thirteen years ago) link
Altered Zones best of the year: http://alteredzones.com/posts/642/2010-albums/
― skip, Tuesday, 21 December 2010 19:00 (thirteen years ago) link
http://cdn.pitchfork.com/media/OESB-49-ANV-452x452.jpg
― the red-headed smanger (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 December 2010 19:01 (thirteen years ago) link
dont really get the bj parade put on for olde english spelling bee this year & that rangers album sux
― forGet (Lamp), Tuesday, 21 December 2010 19:05 (thirteen years ago) link
why couldn't half of these ppl put their band/s name or the album title on their album
― Tina Tina Cheneuse (DJP), Tuesday, 21 December 2010 19:06 (thirteen years ago) link
There's four Olde English albums on that list and they are all straight dogshit.
― the red-headed smanger (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 December 2010 19:11 (thirteen years ago) link
autre ne veut is the only one i have time for, really, & its still not as a good as 'last american hero' or 'dagger paths'. i mean i like the aesthetic that list is pushing forwards more than most ppl on ilm but its just so lazy & insular (lol) \
i have come around on the mark mcguire record though, & think its really fine
― forGet (Lamp), Tuesday, 21 December 2010 19:16 (thirteen years ago) link
also kinda disappointed that no1 seems to feel the really tremendous outer limits recordings lp on not not fun. sun araw is p w/e
― forGet (Lamp), Tuesday, 21 December 2010 19:17 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean, the laziness is what bothers me the most about it. Like, I love woozy synths and nostalgic keychanges as much as the next guy, but like put some fucking effort abd passion into it, you clowns. I know you're all of the "Nickelodeon Guts" generation and mom raised you all to be special little snowflakes but fuck
Of the Altered Zones aesthetic, I mainly enjoy with the Majuere/Zombi axis side of things, love Zola Jesus, like Nite Jewel, Emeralds too
― mmmm... yung hummus (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 December 2010 19:19 (thirteen years ago) link
Mark McGuire album is awesome and 'brothers' is a song for the ages.
― O Permaban (NickB), Tuesday, 21 December 2010 19:20 (thirteen years ago) link
The 20jfg list is up and I would link to it if I could operate this dumb ass web gadget.
― O Permaban (NickB), Tuesday, 21 December 2010 19:21 (thirteen years ago) link
It's basically more of that sort of thing btw
http://www.20jazzfunkgreats.co.uk/wordpress/2010/12/21/20jazzfunkgreats-best-of-2010-paranormal-beauty-contest/
― Moka, Tuesday, 21 December 2010 19:23 (thirteen years ago) link
I can't get into the Mark McGuire.
Although I am relived his name is actually his name and not WHOA RECONTEXTUALIZING ish like "Hype Williams" or "Phillip Seymour Hoffman" or "Dale Earnhart Jr Jr"
― mmmm... yung hummus (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 December 2010 19:23 (thirteen years ago) link
i like that autre ne veut disc a lot. not sure why you'd think that it lacks passion and effort. the vocals are a little detached, i suppose, but i'm guessing that's more about the guy compensating for his limitations as a singer?
― Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 21 December 2010 19:26 (thirteen years ago) link
ah, i think i read someone going on-and-on about how good a singer that guy is. show's how little i know, i guess.
― Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 21 December 2010 19:27 (thirteen years ago) link
McGuire was my dozing off album for ages, and it wasn't until one night recently when I wasn't sleeping too well cos of sickness that I heard 'Brothers' for the first time and I basically sat bolt upright and punched the fucking air and my heart was glad and then i threw up in a bin.
― O Permaban (NickB), Tuesday, 21 December 2010 19:29 (thirteen years ago) link
Die Antwoord, "Jou Ma Se Poes In 'n Fishpaste Jar"
cmon guys this is a cool song
― Ned Rag & the Evil Olive Gardens (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 21 December 2010 20:02 (thirteen years ago) link
didn't they sing the taco-bell song? maybe that was das racist?
wtfk.
― Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 21 December 2010 20:03 (thirteen years ago) link
That was Das Rascist.
― Indolence Mission (DJP), Tuesday, 21 December 2010 20:07 (thirteen years ago) link
i don't get that band at all.
― Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 21 December 2010 20:08 (thirteen years ago) link
wtf, I'm enjoying a Die Antwoord song
delete everything
― Indolence Mission (DJP), Tuesday, 21 December 2010 20:09 (thirteen years ago) link
nooooooooo
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 21 December 2010 20:15 (thirteen years ago) link
― Indolence Mission (DJP), Tuesday, 21 December 2010 20:16 (thirteen years ago) link
like seriously, I have no idea how this happened and I feel like I've been compromised by aliens
― Indolence Mission (DJP), Tuesday, 21 December 2010 20:18 (thirteen years ago) link
wow
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 21 December 2010 20:18 (thirteen years ago) link
just wait til they play a juggalo gathering and you need to go
it's like a bearable version of SALEM
― Indolence Mission (DJP), Tuesday, 21 December 2010 20:19 (thirteen years ago) link
this mcguire album is actually quite good. there will probably be some kind of karmic retribution against me for saying this but it almost has a hejira/mingus joni type ambience. a chillwave explosions in the sky is probably a better analogy but it's been a really good cold winter afternoon listen.
― skip, Tuesday, 21 December 2010 21:12 (thirteen years ago) link
Something about the drifting dreamy mood of it reminded me a lot of Popol Vuh.
― O Permaban (NickB), Tuesday, 21 December 2010 21:31 (thirteen years ago) link
No idea what that means, but I've been enjoying the Rangers album. How many lists did it appear on? One or two at most?
― Position Position, Tuesday, 21 December 2010 21:37 (thirteen years ago) link
i listened to the rangers album and was distinctly unimpressed, and i'm usually predisposed to digging that sort of thing
― elizabeth pisstake club (electricsound), Tuesday, 21 December 2010 21:54 (thirteen years ago) link
i find die antwoord tolerable because 1. their 'irony' is actually supposed to be funny+entertaining rather than just a lazy curtain to hide behind and 2. they are pretty catchy and fun
which fucking mcguire album am i supposed to listen to? dude came out with like three this year? thinking thats not a good sign...
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Tuesday, 21 December 2010 22:03 (thirteen years ago) link
I only know of two, the new one in question here and a reissue that was a compilation of some older stuff (and really great, fwiw).
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 21 December 2010 22:08 (thirteen years ago) link
The one on Mego called 'Living With Yourself'. Haven't actually heard any of the others. xp
― O Permaban (NickB), Tuesday, 21 December 2010 22:09 (thirteen years ago) link
it took me til just now to figure out that oOoOO is a completely different band from OOIOO
― some dude, Tuesday, 21 December 2010 22:27 (thirteen years ago) link
― mmmm... yung hummus (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, December 21, 2010 1:23 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark
^^otm
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 21 December 2010 23:13 (thirteen years ago) link
"Hype Williams" as a name really annoys me.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 21 December 2010 23:35 (thirteen years ago) link
Entertainment Weekly - 10 Best Albums of 2010
10. Laura Marling - I Speak Because I Can9. Local Natives - Gorilla Manor8. Janelle Monae - The ArchAndroid7. Cee Lo Green - The Lady Killer6. Sleigh Bells - Treats5. Big Boi - Sir Lucious Left Foot: The Son of Chico Dusty4. The Black Keys - Brothers3. Robyn - Body Talk2. Arcade Fire - The Suburbs1. Kanye West - My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Wednesday, 22 December 2010 02:46 (thirteen years ago) link
just wanna second the love for deej's year-end list, it's great
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 22 December 2010 15:37 (thirteen years ago) link
it's all hip-hop/rap though!
like, if someone puts out a year-end list that's 100% "in my world of white guitar ppl" we all lose our shit
deej's list is similarly zzzzzzzz, right?
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Wednesday, 22 December 2010 15:46 (thirteen years ago) link
Well, deej's is a rap list for a rap blog. I would hope his full list would be, like rawse, deeper than rap.
Real curious to see how u guys react (if at all) to my list. It's pretty whineycentric.
― mmmm... yung hummus (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 22 December 2010 15:51 (thirteen years ago) link
i for one am excited to see yr list
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Wednesday, 22 December 2010 15:52 (thirteen years ago) link
obv that is like an anti-compliment but whatevs
ilxor I would be honored if you did an ilxor-style data dump on my list, even if just over email
― mmmm... yung hummus (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 22 December 2010 16:00 (thirteen years ago) link
i have no problem with an all white guitar rock list if its awesome. and doesn't count out black guitar rock (if there is any that is worth hearing). and it doesn't put the suburbs and my lame homo fishstick fantasy at #1 and #2
― irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 22 December 2010 16:02 (thirteen years ago) link
where is your list whiney?
i am mostly interested, as and when i make my list, as to whether anyone discovers new stuff they love through it, rather than nitpicking over what's at #8 vs #9, which is broadly interchangeable anyway.
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Wednesday, 22 December 2010 16:02 (thirteen years ago) link
i am mostly interested, as and when i make my list, as to whether anyone discovers new stuff they love through it
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Wednesday, 22 December 2010 16:03 (thirteen years ago) link
My list goes up Jan 3. I'll let everyone know if were still talking about this ish
― mmmm... yung hummus (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 22 December 2010 16:04 (thirteen years ago) link
why wait if it's ready now?
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Wednesday, 22 December 2010 16:07 (thirteen years ago) link
Cuz it ain't ready!
― mmmm... yung hummus (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 22 December 2010 16:07 (thirteen years ago) link
it's also not the end of the year yet!
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Wednesday, 22 December 2010 16:09 (thirteen years ago) link
Yep, records that are getting fucked on ppls lists because they're poppin out to early--Diddy-Dirty Money--Ghostface--Anika
― mmmm... yung hummus (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 22 December 2010 16:11 (thirteen years ago) link
- jazmine sullivan- ciara- r. kelly
(- keri hilson: not likely to be on anyone's list, not even mine, but doesn't deserve to be ignored either)
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Wednesday, 22 December 2010 16:12 (thirteen years ago) link
If it isn't actually good enough to appear on anyone's best-of-the-year list, why does its release date matter?
― Indolence Mission (DJP), Wednesday, 22 December 2010 16:15 (thirteen years ago) link
if more than a few random ilxors and geoff barrow stans had heard of anika, that might help a bit
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Wednesday, 22 December 2010 16:18 (thirteen years ago) link
that r. kelly shit is all over my list, it's really good!
At least Diddy is sure to wind up on my list next December.
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 22 December 2010 16:19 (thirteen years ago) link
geoff barrow is involved? colour me excited.
― irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 22 December 2010 16:19 (thirteen years ago) link
i haven't heard it yet, but i understand it's basically BEAK> (Barrow's new-ish band) with a Nico-sounding female singer, with usual Barrow production, dub/kraut/post-punk influence, bit of '60s girl group stuff, oh and it's released on Stones Throw -- one of the few labels I'll buy pretty much whatever they put out and it's almost always worthwhile
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Wednesday, 22 December 2010 16:38 (thirteen years ago) link
speaking of Stones Throw, is no one else following the Madlib CD series on Stones Throw this year??? not one mention anyplace. i mean it's a Madlib 11-12 CD series of archive/vault stuff + mixes, i understand it's a niche product, but any critic listening to a couple hundred plus albums in a year needs to find room for stuff like this
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Wednesday, 22 December 2010 16:40 (thirteen years ago) link
some individual trax are strong enough to appear on people's lists, and generally it's worth a mention in general round-ups
i'm amazed that a geoff barrow project went so under-the-radar! want to check that out
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Wednesday, 22 December 2010 16:43 (thirteen years ago) link
Anika is in our Top 20 but to be fair the album got so badly mishandled that it's getting "released" again at the end of January.
― Carl Jung Jeezy (Doran), Wednesday, 22 December 2010 16:46 (thirteen years ago) link
the madlib (2, 3 and 5 i think) i heard was nice but come on, i couldn't keep up with dude back when he wasn't releasing at least (!) one thing a month, dunno how i could this year.
― irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 22 December 2010 16:49 (thirteen years ago) link
speaking of Stones Throw, is no one else following the Madlib CD series on Stones Throw this year??? not one mention anyplace.
http://blog.allmusic.com/2010/12/15/allmusic-loves-2010/
http://blog.allmusic.com/2010/12/15/allmusics-favorite-reggae-albums-of-2010/
http://blog.allmusic.com/2010/12/14/allmusics-favorite-world-albums-of-2010/
― Andy K, Wednesday, 22 December 2010 16:57 (thirteen years ago) link
OH MAN
*spends rest of workday getting lost in AMG writers' individual lists*
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Wednesday, 22 December 2010 17:09 (thirteen years ago) link
your list is awesome Andy!
― no hipster hats (The Brainwasher), Wednesday, 22 December 2010 17:18 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah i was about to say if there's one list i most look forward to seeing it's andy's
you still slept on jeremih tho!
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 22 December 2010 17:23 (thirteen years ago) link
deej props for putting "you neva know" at #1, that's in my top 5 too i think - haven't seen anybody talk about that one in a while
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 22 December 2010 18:22 (thirteen years ago) link
(Thanks, you guys.)
― Andy K, Wednesday, 22 December 2010 18:24 (thirteen years ago) link
Here are some lists by a bunch of political writers, in case you want to know what's blasting out of the speakers at Foreign Policy magazine or the Cato Institute:
http://gq.tumblr.com/post/2418770447/political-hacks-best-music-of-2010
― I Am Kurious Assange (polyphonic), Wednesday, 22 December 2010 21:36 (thirteen years ago) link
Dave Weigel, Reporter, Slate.com
* Rick Ross - Teflon Don
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 22 December 2010 21:39 (thirteen years ago) link
XD
― classic fat joe face (deej), Wednesday, 22 December 2010 21:44 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm sure i'm not the first to say this but i would not have predicted the emergence of "did it on em" as the consensus nicki minaj track on these list. in retrospect it kind of makes sense, but really?
― /\/K/\/\, Wednesday, 22 December 2010 21:52 (thirteen years ago) link
Charles Homans, Associate Editor, Foreign Policy
* Das Racist: Shut Up, Dude
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Wednesday, 22 December 2010 22:42 (thirteen years ago) link
it's all hip-hop/rap though!like, if someone puts out a year-end list that's 100% "in my world of white guitar ppl" we all lose our shitdeej's list is similarly zzzzzzzz, right?― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Wednesday, 22 December 2010 15:46 (7 hours ago) Permalink
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Wednesday, 22 December 2010 15:46 (7 hours ago) Permalink
ilxor, I think you and contenderizer are riding this whole anti-anti-indie steez too hard. No-one's gonna complain about a list of white guitar ppl that is called "best white guitar ppl of 2010". It's the short-circuit between white-guitar-ppl (and kanye) with "best music anywhere in the world" that gets negative reactions.
I hinted at this upthread but one of my favourite sets of lists are those done by juno, which are even more severely circumscribed e.g. "Best Electro-House Tracks of 2010" etc. - these are genuinely helpful, and actually focus the minds of the listmakers on what constitutes "best" within particular parameters (with particular barometers). It's all these "best albums of 2010" with the same 20 f***ing records that are much more zzzzzz IMO.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 22 December 2010 23:03 (thirteen years ago) link
Alright, people probably would have a problem with the title "best white guitar ppl of 2010", but not because it's genre-specialist.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 22 December 2010 23:09 (thirteen years ago) link
^^^lol
― classic fat joe face (deej), Wednesday, 22 December 2010 23:10 (thirteen years ago) link
― james fondleboy (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 22 December 2010 23:27 (thirteen years ago) link
It's the short-circuit between white-guitar-ppl (and kanye) with "best music anywhere in the world" that gets negative reactions.
i've never seen a yearly best-of list that really addresses the "best music anywhere in the world." all such lists are limited by the culture and broad genre boundaries from which they come ("western pop music" being an example of a broad genre boundary). it's a matter of how broad you claim your list to be in relation to how broad (or how narrow) it actually is.
― Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 22 December 2010 23:46 (thirteen years ago) link
otoh, i'm not a critic, so maybe i'm not in a position to opine.
i've never seen a yearly best-of list that really addresses the "best music anywhere in the world."
Yes this is true in practice, but:
it's a matter of how broad you claim your list to be in relation to how broad (or how narrow) it actually is.
Right. Any list which states that it's a list of the "best albums of 2010" and includes at least a couple of albums by a couple of genres is implicitly saying that there are few if any formal restrictions on what can be included.
I much prefer a list which is formally constrained and, as a result, is more inventive, unusual or informative.
― Tim F, Thursday, 23 December 2010 00:02 (thirteen years ago) link
cosign on the juno lists, btw. but i wish they'd have two extra filter categories, for "songs with buzzy, arcade effects" and "songs without buzzy, arcade effects"
― Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 23 December 2010 00:05 (thirteen years ago) link
They could rename those categories "overrated in 2010" and "underrated in 2010".
― Tim F, Thursday, 23 December 2010 00:06 (thirteen years ago) link
im sure there are ways to make interesting cross-genre lists -- but maybe these are just easier as radio formats ("quiet storm") or DJ genre constellations ("balearic") than critics lists
― classic fat joe face (deej), Thursday, 23 December 2010 00:07 (thirteen years ago) link
ha!
― Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 23 December 2010 00:07 (thirteen years ago) link
(xp)
Yeah DJ constellation (or similar) round-ups can be the best because the very act of listing the songs together also performs that process of drawing the constellation in a way that doesn't exist for straight "best of" lists and isn't necessary for official genre lists.
― Tim F, Thursday, 23 December 2010 00:09 (thirteen years ago) link
& obv 'personal lists' qualify that way too
― classic fat joe face (deej), Thursday, 23 December 2010 00:18 (thirteen years ago) link
speaking of, i made a youtube playlist of the top 50 rap songz
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=3FF03078C1191155
― classic fat joe face (deej), Thursday, 23 December 2010 00:19 (thirteen years ago) link
good job, more yt playlists already
― idgi fridays (blueski), Thursday, 23 December 2010 00:22 (thirteen years ago) link
oh man... appreciate the sincere response. honestly i was bored at work (office is DEAD this time of year) & about 20 minutes into the day, posted a couple straight-up trolling posts on ilx to make my day a bit more interesting. was hoping for a good whiney/deej/j0rdan response or something fun. i don't actually believe any of what i wrote there ;)
i agree w/ you tim & also really like deej's list -- in fact, i said as much upthread:
i love everything i know from that list (about 20% of it, naturally) and am really thrilled w/ all the youtube links: that's one of my favorite year-end formats, when i can quickly click over and check out the stuff i haven't yet heard― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor)
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor)
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Thursday, 23 December 2010 04:22 (thirteen years ago) link
Alright sorry ilxor, I couldn't remember your prior posts when I saw the last one.
― Tim F, Thursday, 23 December 2010 04:42 (thirteen years ago) link
props to Andy K for including the Mathew Jonson album, that's the record i loved the most this year that hasn't been getting much list love
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Thursday, 23 December 2010 05:17 (thirteen years ago) link
tim... no worries, & no need to apologize, no offense taken! i just saw yr response and was all O_O
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Thursday, 23 December 2010 05:47 (thirteen years ago) link
ilxor, I think you and contenderizer are riding this whole anti-anti-indie steez too hard.
― Tim F, Wednesday, December 22, 2010 3:03 PM (6 hours ago) Bookmark
hey, i don't think i've even made that point in this thread. not that i haven't made it elsewhere, but...
thing is, my eyes glaze over at relentless indieism, too. tried to get something out of those AMG lists, but if half your contributors stuff up their top 20s with some combo or variation on deerhunter/best coast/arcade fire/lcd soundsystem, then your definition of "allmusic" probably isn't broad enough to justify the name. otoh, lists composed entirely of equally obvious non-indie stuff are just as tedious. it's obviousness and impersonal pack-following timidity, rather than indieness per se, that i find most dispiriting.
― contenderizer, Thursday, 23 December 2010 06:04 (thirteen years ago) link
not sure it's even timidity, more like people have limited time to listen to new albums, so they listen to the 50-100 most critically trumpeted albums in a given year, then spit out "personalized" lists that rank their favorite 10-20 of those 50-100 albums; it's just rather small pool of albums to begin with, though, so all the lists come out looking like variations on a theme
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Thursday, 23 December 2010 06:24 (thirteen years ago) link
not that i'm one to talk as my top 10 would include robyn, big boi, four tet, caribou, the-dream etc. etc.
pot kettle black etc.
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Thursday, 23 December 2010 06:25 (thirteen years ago) link
not sure if this counts as agreeing w tim, & even though this is in some ways the opposite of my own approach to listening to music, i would a hundred million percent rather read someone who focuses on a small number of tightly related genres & knows a lot about them & is consistent and discerning over some cosmopolitan dork overenthusiastically trying to capture some nonexistent zeitgeist who knows nothing. it's really interesting when you feel you understand someone's tastes, that you can see it as an aesthetic set, what makes a song functional or acceptable to them, it becomes possible to rediscover music & see if in a way totally foreign to you, & i think that's easiest to do if it's applied to a more limited range--although it can definitely stretch across genres if necessary
― flopson, Thursday, 23 December 2010 06:29 (thirteen years ago) link
everyone who is a cool music fan should listen to as many albums outside of the most critically trumpeted set as out, imo. big world &c
― flopson, Thursday, 23 December 2010 06:31 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, i know the feeling. i bitch, but several obvious names are at least flirting with my ill-defined 2010 best list. no sin in that, but lists composed entirely of things found on everybody else's list are terribly depressing. i hope, as flopson says, for the expression of an interesting personal aesthetic.
― contenderizer, Thursday, 23 December 2010 06:38 (thirteen years ago) link
one thing i like to keep in mind is audience. like, to other ILXors and critics, no one really cares that robyn or flying lotus or curren$y or caribou is on a best of 2010 list. seen that shit a million times. but to, say, a friend who casually listens to top 40 radio and that's it, those could be brand new. and great discoveries. not to say best-of lists shouldn't also poke around less critically-lauded circles, or challenge popular perceptions, but not everyone is obsessed with music like a lot of us are. we're looking at these "terribly depressing" lists from a different perspective. i mean, someone else may see arcade fire on a 2010 list not knowing them, and love that shit. who knows!
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Thursday, 23 December 2010 06:45 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, sure, it's all good, but i strive to believe, on some hippy-dippy level, that the truer you are to your own personal (and hopefully somewhat idiosyncratic) tastes, the more meaningful your expressions of those tastes will be to anyone who encounters them. even if they seem obscure, uncool, "weird" or whatever. that's something of an article of faith with me.
― contenderizer, Thursday, 23 December 2010 06:57 (thirteen years ago) link
I'll second Karl on giving props to Andy K for including Mathew Jonson on his list. I have no idea why Agents of Time was so slept on bar that there was no interesting stories tell about the album, except quality.
― Jedmond, Thursday, 23 December 2010 10:27 (thirteen years ago) link
Phonica's top 100 albums of 2010
100) Guido - Anidea99) Arp - The Soft Wave 98) Julian Lynch - Mare97) Moritz Von Oswald - Live In New York96) ANTHONY 'SHAKE' SHAKIR - Frictionalism95) COMMIX - Re:Call to Mind94) DANGERMOUSE & SPARKLEHORSE - Dark Night of the Soul93) MAGDA - From The Fallen Page92) RED RACK'EM - The Early Years91) LUKE ABBOTT - Holkham Drones90) JOHN GRANT - Queen Of Denmark89) OVAL - O88) DONATO DOZZY - K87) CONNAN MOCKASIN - Please Turn Me Into The Snat86) JUS ED - Next Level85) MAKAM - How Long Is Now?84) JEFF PHELPS - Magnetic Eyes83) EDWARD LARRY GORDON - Celestial Vibration 82) F - Energy Distortion81) DUCKTAILS / DRACULA LEWIS - Split80) WOLF + LAMB - Love Someone79) PETER GORDON & THE LOVE OF LIFE ORCHESTRA - Love Of Life Orchestra78) PAUL WHITE - Paul White & The Purple Brain77) HOT CHIP - One Life Stand76) THE HUNDRED IN THE HANDS - The Hundred In The Hands75) WALLS - Walls74) VOICE OF THE SEVEN THUNDERS - Voice Of The Seven Thunders73) CHILLY GONZALES - Ivory Tower72) SOLAR BEARS - She Was Coloured In71) SALEM - King Night70) AEROPLANE - We Can't Fly69) ORIOL - Night And Day68) MR G - Still Here67) ARP & ANTHONY MOORE - Frkways 366) ROBERT HOOD - Omega65) DEERHUNTER - Halcyon Digest64) TORO Y MOI - Causers Of This63) CHRIS CARTER - The Space Between 62) KONONO NO.1 - Assume Crash Position61) SHIT ROBOT - From The Cradle To The Rave 60) MIM SULEIMAN - Tungi 59) MATTHEW DEAR - Black City58) GAMES - That We Can Play57) DEMDIKE STARE - Voices of Dust 56) ARCADE FIRE - The Suburbs55) THE ALPS - Le Voyage54) COS/MES - Gozmez Land Chaosexotica53) TAME IMPALA - Innerspeaker 52) RECLOOSE - Early Works51) LCD SOUNDSYSTEM - This Is Happening50) CHARANJIT SINGH - Ten Ragas to a Disco Beat49) ERYKAH BADU - New Amerykah Part Two: Return Of The Ankh48) STL - STL And His Quest For Sound 47) SHACKLETON - Fabric 5546) DAM-FUNK - Adolescent Funk45) AUTECHRE - Oversteps44) JIMMY EDGAR - XXX 43) HEDZOLEH SOUNDZ - Hedzoleh42) STELLAR OM SOURCE - Trilogy Select 41) DARKSTAR - North40) MASSIVE ATTACK - Heligoland 39) WBEEZA - Void 38) ARIEL PINK'S HAUNTED GRAFFITI - Before today 37) ALOE BLACC - Good Things36) DIGITAL MYSTIKZ - Return II Space35) SAN SODA - Immers & Daarentegen34) SUFJAN STEVENS - The Age Of Adz 33) PASTOR T.L.BARRETT & THE YOUTH FOR CHRIST CHOIR - Like A Ship (Without A Sail)32) LONE - Emerald Fantasy Tracks31) THEO PARRISH - Sketches 30) CFCF - Continent29) MARK MCGUIRE - Living With Yourself28) AARDVARCK - Choice 27) ESP INSTITUTE - Concentration Volume I CD (mixed by Lovefingers)26) BRIAN ENO - Small Craft on A Milk Sea25) URBAN TRIBE - Urban Tribe24) TEENGIRL FANTASY - 7 AM 23) ROLL THE DICE - Roll The Dice22) NICOLAS JAAR / VARIOUS ARTISTS - Ines21) GONJASUFI - A Sufi and a Killer20) SCUBA - Triangulation 19) MARK E - Mark E Works 2005 - 2009 Selected Tracks & Edits 18) EMERALDS - Does It Look Like I'm Here? 17) FLYING LOTUS - Cosmogramma16) GIL SCOTT-HERON - I'm New Here 15) PANTHA DU PRINCE - Black Noise 14) MOTOR CITY DRUM ENSEMBLE - Raw Cuts Vol. 1 13) MOUNT KIMBIE - Crooks & Lovers 12) GOLD PANDA - Lucky Shiner 11) SEAHAWKS - Ocean Trippin' 10) ONRA - Long Distance09) FOUR TET - There Is Love In You08) JOHN ROBERTS - Glass Eights 07) MAXMILLION DUNBAR - Cool Water06) ACTRESS - Splazsh05) ONEOHTRIX POINT NEVER - Returnal 04) FOREST SWORDS - Dagger Paths03) CARIBOU - Swim + Swim Remixes02) VIRGO - Virgo 01) SHED - The Traveller
― Jedmond, Thursday, 23 December 2010 11:24 (thirteen years ago) link
Must say I'm glad they mentioned Roll the Dice, Mim Suleiman's Tungi, and Oriol's Night and Day. Tungi is bubbling Fulton-produced goodness, while Night and Day contrasts the sharp cuts of something like the Soft Pink Truth's Promofunk against the hazy blurred discoid glow of the Avalanches. Wally Badarou looks on approvingly.
― Jedmond, Thursday, 23 December 2010 11:33 (thirteen years ago) link
Boomkat end-of-year charts:
http://www.boomkat.com/charts.cfm
― O Permaban (NickB), Thursday, 23 December 2010 12:04 (thirteen years ago) link
LOTS of different lists from various Boomkat types btw.
― O Permaban (NickB), Thursday, 23 December 2010 12:05 (thirteen years ago) link
Looks like it's brought down their entire site now though - including the shop - so good work.
― O Permaban (NickB), Thursday, 23 December 2010 12:14 (thirteen years ago) link
It was an impressive line up though, a pity it was for only ten seconds or so.
― Jedmond, Thursday, 23 December 2010 12:25 (thirteen years ago) link
thing is, my eyes glaze over at relentless indieism, too. tried to get something out of those AMG lists, but if half your contributors stuff up their top 20s with some combo or variation on deerhunter/best coast/arcade fire/lcd soundsystem, then your definition of "allmusic" probably isn't broad enough to justify the name.
Those lists are from the willing editors and staff writers. Several people in the department -- some of whom specialize in something other than rock -- don't make year-end lists. I would love to incorporate lists from the dozens of active freelancers who cover everything else, but when it comes to year-end features, we are barely able to justify the time we spend on what we put together. (If you want a broader range of picks, check the genre/style posts. Most of the editors/writers who didn't make personal lists contributed to them.)
― Andy K, Thursday, 23 December 2010 12:39 (thirteen years ago) link
Kiran Sand of Blackest Ever Black has a strong look.
― Carl Jung Jeezy (Doran), Thursday, 23 December 2010 13:44 (thirteen years ago) link
http://blackesteverblack.blogspot.com/
― O Permaban (NickB), Thursday, 23 December 2010 13:47 (thirteen years ago) link
Oh yeah that boomkat and friends best of 2010 is awesome. All this stuff around the Raime post satanic techno industrial thing looks extremely interesting!
― Umm, I think that's my glass. (laser precise purpose maker era), Thursday, 23 December 2010 14:06 (thirteen years ago) link
If someone were up for the task, they could make a master list of all these lists with the consensus ones filtered out. We'd just need to agree on what qualifies as consensus -- appearing on more than two other lists?
― Fastnbulbous, Thursday, 23 December 2010 16:52 (thirteen years ago) link
the Wall Street Journal weighs in on year-end lists in general (naming Stereogum's the best, among other random/silly awards)
http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2010/12/22/best-of-the-best-of-music-lists-for-2010
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Thursday, 23 December 2010 16:56 (thirteen years ago) link
this feature is awesome, btw
http://flavorwire.com/134970/stereotyping-you-by-your-favorite-album-of-2010
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Thursday, 23 December 2010 16:58 (thirteen years ago) link
"I much prefer a list which is formally constrained and, as a result, is more inventive, unusual or informative."
DD!
― scott seward, Thursday, 23 December 2010 17:02 (thirteen years ago) link
double ditto
i made a youtube playlist of the top 50 rap songz
Lots of goodness, then E-40's "He's a Gangsta," which makes me want to never look at a computer again.
― Pete Scholtes, Thursday, 23 December 2010 17:59 (thirteen years ago) link
the video is a bit much -- cant believe they cut messy's verse from it smh
― classic fat joe face (deej), Thursday, 23 December 2010 18:01 (thirteen years ago) link
some great jacka lines on that -- dunno why but theres something weirdly evocative about describing your pistol as 'dripping' bullets
― classic fat joe face (deej), Thursday, 23 December 2010 18:02 (thirteen years ago) link
I hear what you're all saying about the usefulness of genre/specialty lists. However, I'd find it more interesting to know, say, what are the top 40 albums from the listmakers at Decibel, Terrorizer, etc. that weren't within their publications' parameters. Some of them must listen to some hip-hop, r&b, pop, indie, electronica, etc. Is there a particular Latin American album that struck the fancy of people at Rock-A-Rolla? Does anyone at The Wire like any metal anymore?
My specialties/obsessions rotate over the years. Lately I guess the Rodney Dangerfield's of my list are the neo-prog/hard/stoner/psych rock that gets no respect elsewhere. Maybe some post-punk/shoegaze influenced stuff, and other random quirky pop.
Mainly, most peoples' lists are too short ;) You just can't fit all the interesting stuff in just a top 10-50. I seriously have over 300 albums from this year on my continuous playlist. Bubbling under my top 100 are albums from around the globe and tons of stuff not on many lists.
Chico Mann - Analog Drift (Wax Poetics) The Radio Dept. - Clinging To A Scheme (Labrador) Tamikrest - Adagh (Glitterhouse) Alasdair Roberts & Friends Too Long in This Condition (Drag City) Black Angels - Phosphene Dream (Blue Horizon) Calle 13 - Entre los que Quieran (Sony U.S. Latin) Choc Quib Town - Oro (Nacional Records) Afrocubism (World Circuit) N.E.R.D. - Nothing (Star Trak) Thee Oh Sees - Warm Slime (In the Red) Khaira Arby - Timbuktu Tarab (Clermont Music) Black Tusk - Taste The Sin (Relapse) Yakuza - Of Seismic Consequence (Profound Lore) Disappears - Lux (Kranky) Oceansize - Self Preserved While The Bodies Float Up (Superball) Faust - Faust Is Last (Klangbad) Owen Pallett - Heartland (Domino) Steve Wynn & The Miracle 3 - Northern Aggression (Yep Roc) Grandfather - Why I'd Try (Grandfather) Gnaw Their Tongues - Arrivée de la Terne Mort Triomphante (Crucial Blast) Willie Nelson - Country Music (Rounder) Cathedral - The Guessing Game (Nuclear Blast) Ellen Allien - Dust (BPitch Control) Black Sun - Twilight Of The Gods (Future Noise) Monster Magnet - Mastermind (Napalm) Zoroaster - Matador (E1) Voice Of The Seven Thunders (Tchantinler)Black Cobra - Chronomega (Southern Lord) Kemialliset Ystävät - Ullakkopalo (Fonal) Von Spar - Foreigner (Italic) Sigh - Scenes From Hell (The End) Seu Jorge and Almaz (Now-Again/Stones Throw) Luisa Maita - Lero Lero (Cumbancha) Night Horse - Perdition Hymns (Tee Pee) SardoniS (Meteor City) Brutus (Transubstans) Plants And Animals - La La Land (Secret City) Earthride - Something Wicked (Southern Lord) Danzig - Deth Red Sabboath (EviliveCeleste - Morte(s) Nee(s) (Denovali) Khoma - A Final Storm (Selective Notes) Karma To Burn - Appalachian Incantation (Napalm) Free Energy - Stuck On Nothing (Astralwerks) Endless Boogie - Full House Head (No Quarter) Orphaned Land - The Never Ending Way Of ORwarriOR (Century Media) The Secret - Solve Et Coagula (Southern Lord) Solace - A.D (Smallstone) Priestess - Prior To The Fire (Teepee) King Sunny Ade - Babá mo Túndé (Mesa Blue/IndigeDisc) Sierra Leone’s Refugee All Stars - Rise & Shine (Cumbancha)
― Fastnbulbous, Thursday, 23 December 2010 18:39 (thirteen years ago) link
However, I'd find it more interesting to know, say, what are the top 40 albums from the listmakers at Decibel, Terrorizer, etc. that weren't within their publications' parameters. Some of them must listen to some hip-hop, r&b, pop, indie, electronica, etc. Is there a particular Latin American album that struck the fancy of people at Rock-A-Rolla? Does anyone at The Wire like any metal anymore?
excerpting this to emphasize it. i totally agree with this. you can get an idea of this, to a limited extent, by reviewing the individual lists of a publication's writers. p4k used to release it's writers' individual lists, but i'm not sure they're doing that this year.
― Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 23 December 2010 18:42 (thirteen years ago) link
i totally dont agree, because ppl all end up being like "hey love that big boi
― classic fat joe face (deej), Thursday, 23 December 2010 18:45 (thirteen years ago) link
"
phew glad i closed that quote
― classic fat joe face (deej), Thursday, 23 December 2010 18:46 (thirteen years ago) link
xpost How can you find time to listen properly to more than 300 albums in a year for a continuous playlist? You're saying that you can listen, in effect, to a new album every day and listen to it closely appreciatively? Do you have time to listen to music for pleasure alone? Not snarking, genuinely wondering. No way I could manage that ...
― Alan Partridge Project (ithappens), Thursday, 23 December 2010 18:48 (thirteen years ago) link
i totally dont agree, because ppl all end up being like "hey love that big boi"
true in some cases, i'm sure, but hardly all. individual writer lists on, say, the dusted site rarely include the titles that dot the upper-end of most publications staff lists.
closed that quote for you, btw.
― Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 23 December 2010 18:50 (thirteen years ago) link
I have only ranked albums with titles containing fewer than 20 syllables and no articles.
― _Rudipherous_, Thursday, 23 December 2010 19:03 (thirteen years ago) link
xpost How can you find time to listen properly to more than 300 albums in a year for a continuous playlist?
yeah, that fastnbulbous post kind of blew my mind a little, too. but let's say you're culling your rotating 300 from like five or six hundred albums in total that you heard during the year. if you listened to music for three to five hours a day, every day, you'd have plenty of time to separate the wheat from the chaff and to become familiar with your real favorites. i lack that kind of dedication, myself, plus i don't get free records, so there's a cost/time factor involved (shopping, downloading, etc).
― contenderizer, Thursday, 23 December 2010 19:05 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah but dont yall have like social lives & jobs? do u exercise ever?
― classic fat joe face (deej), Thursday, 23 December 2010 19:11 (thirteen years ago) link
"looks like takeout again -- im only at 270 albums and the year is almost over!"
― classic fat joe face (deej), Thursday, 23 December 2010 19:12 (thirteen years ago) link
you think you're just shaping your abs, but you could also be getting your narcocorrido picks in order
― contenderizer, Thursday, 23 December 2010 19:15 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah but dont yall have like social lives & jobs?
45 minute commute 2 ways = 1.5 hrs per day = 7.5 hrs listening time in car per week
do u exercise ever?
you'd be surprised -- running 50-60 miles per week and listening to 8-10 hrs of music go quite well together
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Thursday, 23 December 2010 19:16 (thirteen years ago) link
let's say you're culling your rotating 300 from like five or six hundred albums in total that you heard during the year
that's the mind-blowing thing! if you have a continuous playlist of 300 - and spend time listening to albums not in that - how many times can you even listen to each? twice, three times?
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Thursday, 23 December 2010 19:18 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean that's at least 15 hrs listening per week. and i probably heard about 100 newly released albums this year. soooo... what's that, like, 2 new albums per week for ~50 weeks? might listen to each one 2-3 times to digest the first time around. which takes maybe 4-5 hours of that 15. and that's not even counting 3-5 hours of shuffled ipod tunes in the office, per day.
xp to self
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Thursday, 23 December 2010 19:18 (thirteen years ago) link
Glad someone pointed out to deej that you can listen to music while you work out. Also, I listen to music at work, at least about 60% of the time when not on the phone or in meetings. An hour on the train each way also affords lots of listening time. Surprised so many people on I LOVE MUSIC are blown away by people that obsessively listen to stuff.
I've got about 212 albums from this year that I started as the basis for my list-making.
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 23 December 2010 19:55 (thirteen years ago) link
part of the problem is that i still do a lot of my listening on vinyl. i certainly buy more vinyl than CDs/downloads. this inclines me to listen to many of my favorites only during the evening hours, where they have to compete with meals, friends & family, errands, TV & movies, parties, etc. plus i just don't often listen to music while i'm commuting or working. dunno why. certainly not enough so that i'd be able to listen to one or two new albums every day, on average. i mean, what about older stuff? at least two thirds of what i do listen to is over a year old...
― contenderizer, Thursday, 23 December 2010 20:09 (thirteen years ago) link
― Pete Scholtes, Thursday, December 23, 2010 10:59 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark
"He's a Gangsta" is a great song!
― rihanna rennavated my dick (rennavate), Thursday, 23 December 2010 20:15 (thirteen years ago) link
I have my entire collection backed up to 3TB of external drives at work, and listen at low levels for most of the day, and occasionally put on good sealed headphones when I'm doing something that I want to block out the chatter around me. I listen on my commute, but ironically never listen to music when I run 4-8 miles every day. It's just a habit from when I was a serious runner in college and a racing team in my 20s. I'm slower now, but did manage to get 6th/3,000 at the Santa Hustle 5K earlier this month, heh. There's safety reasons running in the dark with traffic, and not a bad idea to be alone with yr thoughts at least part of the day!
I put on music at home all the time unless watching tv/movies, and spend usually at least :45 to 4 hours with deep listening in the office with my AKG headphones, while writing/corresponding, working on site.
― Fastnbulbous, Thursday, 23 December 2010 20:23 (thirteen years ago) link
Glad someone pointed out to deej that you can listen to music while you work out.
^__________^
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Thursday, 23 December 2010 20:24 (thirteen years ago) link
― rihanna rennavated my dick (rennavate), Thursday, 23 December 2010 20:15 (18 minutes ago) Permalink
pretty violent vid tho for sure. buttt yukmouth had a wayyy worse one this yr
― classic fat joe face (deej), Thursday, 23 December 2010 20:35 (thirteen years ago) link
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, December 23, 2010 1:55 PM (44 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i obsessively listen to music but i cant at work & the other thing is sometimes i dont want to listen to new records? or sometimes i want to hear things a bunch of times? 300 BEST albums sounds crazy as shit to me still. i think i only hear maybe 200 total records in a year max
― classic fat joe face (deej), Thursday, 23 December 2010 20:41 (thirteen years ago) link
(and less than a quarter of those are heard more than once i imagine)
Yeah, it's really hard for me to imagine liking that many albums from a current year. (I'm not sure there are any previous years for which I could say I like that many records, though it might be possible for some years in the late 60s or 70s.) I might hear 300 albums some years, but probably closer to 200 at most.
― _Rudipherous_, Thursday, 23 December 2010 20:43 (thirteen years ago) link
Oh yeah, deej, I'm with you on 300 BEST part, I didn't notice that originally. My 212 is the total new albums I heard this year, at least half of that was eliminated right away when I started thinking about my lists.
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 23 December 2010 20:45 (thirteen years ago) link
i guess to be fair i listen to lots of singles/youtubes
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similies (deej), Thursday, 23 December 2010 20:47 (thirteen years ago) link
I was going to say earlier, I don't think I could ever keep up with your level of mixtape/youtube intake.
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 23 December 2010 20:48 (thirteen years ago) link
I think there's something to be said about watching a YouTube and going, "Yeah, that's cool," and never feeling the impulse to play it again, which is probably the effect most songs we listen to have.
― rihanna rennavated my dick (rennavate), Thursday, 23 December 2010 20:51 (thirteen years ago) link
I listen to four or five whole new albums a week, in addition to singles, reissues, plus albums that don't make it beyond track three. So that's 250-300 a year, but no way do more than a couple of dozen of those really register with me, because I don't find time to listen to most more than once or twice. Got kids, so don't play out loud at home much; listen on way to and from work, have headphones on for an hour or two at work, but I need to know what's going on around me - and hear the phone. Makes picking the ten best quite easy though - it really doesn't require much thought.
But also "listening at low levels throughout the day" - are you really taking in much of that stuff? The stuff I listen to at work often barely registers cos my mind's on the job, not the music.
― Alan Partridge Project (ithappens), Thursday, 23 December 2010 21:11 (thirteen years ago) link
I've listened to music while multitasking most of my life. Attention varies at work of course, but it's enough that when something grabs me, I make a note of it for more focused listening later on. I have several playlists, of course. There's 2010 for albums I like from the year that obviously didn't start at 300, but ended up that at the end. So some albums I've heard dozens of times, others, just a handful. There's New for all the new stuff I'm absorbing. And of course all my other older music I still enjoy.
― Fastnbulbous, Thursday, 23 December 2010 21:28 (thirteen years ago) link
BTW, low volume for me might be different than for others. It's still loud enough to hear the music fine, on sort of decent Harmon Kardon speakers, and enough that my colleague ten feet away can also hear well enough to recognize stuff he knows. Fortunately he likes much of what I like.
― Fastnbulbous, Thursday, 23 December 2010 22:27 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJDef09QTOg
ok this video is 100x worse than the e-40
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similies (deej), Thursday, 23 December 2010 22:52 (thirteen years ago) link
the song, 1000x worse
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similies (deej), Thursday, 23 December 2010 22:53 (thirteen years ago) link
Is that Tha Bizness sound opening the track? Ugh of all the producer signatures, I might possibly hate that one the most.
― rihanna rennavated my dick (rennavate), Thursday, 23 December 2010 22:57 (thirteen years ago) link
hardly the most objectionable thing in this lol
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similies (deej), Thursday, 23 December 2010 22:57 (thirteen years ago) link
verges a bit too much on torture porn imo
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similies (deej), Thursday, 23 December 2010 22:58 (thirteen years ago) link
No, you're right, it's just the first thing you hear on the song, thus the first thing I had an opinion. And yeah, I shut this off after like 45 secs.
― rihanna rennavated my dick (rennavate), Thursday, 23 December 2010 22:59 (thirteen years ago) link
man you guys are sensitive
― mmmm... yung hummus (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 23 December 2010 23:23 (thirteen years ago) link
i dunno whiney just not into rap fantasies about home invasion involving rape
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similies (deej), Thursday, 23 December 2010 23:48 (thirteen years ago) link
so you're gonna throw all your Geto Boys CDs out?
― mmmm... yung hummus (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 23 December 2010 23:51 (thirteen years ago) link
ive never seen a geto boys video where they actually act this sort of thing out, no
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similies (deej), Thursday, 23 December 2010 23:58 (thirteen years ago) link
ugh son
― The Reverend, Friday, 24 December 2010 08:43 (thirteen years ago) link
Probably helps that I can listen at work and use a popular streaming service but at the end of each month I usually end up with 10-12 new records I feel I've digested enough to have an opinion on, by the end of the year I'll have 100 records that I am familiar with to a degree. Most year's, be it from when I was 16 and my paper round used to pay for Our Price shopping trips to now I'll always come back to about 20 records. Also likely that five or six of those aren't in the top 20 I finished in that year's December.
― Mitchell Stirling, Friday, 24 December 2010 10:40 (thirteen years ago) link
i listened to somewhere around 150-200 full albums this year (plus many mixes, countless singles/trax etc) - in most cases i privilege stuff i'm likely to enjoy; unless i actually have to, i'm unlikely to listen to, say, the full ke$ha album, given how much i hate the singles. anyway i usually wind up with around 20 that i'd actively recommend from that, and about 20 more albums that aren't necessarily amazing but are still "worth hearing".
i mean, literally everything i listened to this year is on my last.fm, except the repeat plays of albums i disliked but had to listen to over and over again for work - i kind of think all critics should have one? like, our taste is part of our ~brand~.
an interesting qn might be - how many times do you have to hear an album to really get a grasp on it? obv the answer varies from album to album...
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Friday, 24 December 2010 10:56 (thirteen years ago) link
for me it's almost not how many times i hear an album but the course of time -- i trust myself much more after hearing an album 5 times over the course of a month or two than 5 times over 2 days
― J0rdan S., Friday, 24 December 2010 10:59 (thirteen years ago) link
i haven't been writing reviews on a strict deadline for a while tho
― J0rdan S., Friday, 24 December 2010 11:00 (thirteen years ago) link
oh yeah, pretty much agree. if you are working to deadline you have to try to second guess yourself a bit in that regard. this doesn't always work - several times i've overrated something that i thought would be a slow grower, only to never play it again. and indeed vice versa.
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Friday, 24 December 2010 11:05 (thirteen years ago) link
Without prior exposure (live, twitter snippets etc) probably five on average. If by the 4th listen I feel like I know a lot of the album already that's probably a good sign.
― Mitchell Stirling, Friday, 24 December 2010 11:52 (thirteen years ago) link
Kinda surprised that Corinne Bailey Rae only showed up on a few of these lists.
― President Keyes, Saturday, 25 December 2010 03:24 (thirteen years ago) link
I like some of this LoneLady stuff, though I'm not sure how much yet. (Was not familiar with them--or her, if it's just one person--before.)
― _Rudipherous_, Saturday, 25 December 2010 14:56 (thirteen years ago) link
i think we should let anyone with the balls/deeplisteningskills to do a top 100 like chuck, matos or fastnbulb to post in this thread― buzzoff (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, December 20, 2010 12:48 PM (5 days ago) Bookmark
― buzzoff (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, December 20, 2010 12:48 PM (5 days ago) Bookmark
not xhuxk, not matos, nof fast'n'bulby...but all balls. if yr favorite records aren't on the list then i either didn't hear them or didn't like them or wasn't interested in them.
1. Allison Moorer, Crows2. Cibelle, Las Venus Resort Palace Hotel3. Erykah Badu, New Amerykah Vol. 2: Return of the Ankh4. The-Dream, Love King 5. Das Racist, Shut Up, Dude6. Titus Andronicus, The Monitor 7. Calle 13, Entren Los Que Quieren 8. R. Kelly, Love Letter9. V.A. The Scottsboro Boys, Original Off-Broadway Cast10. Michaels Uncle, Return of Dark Psychedelia11. Tarbaby, The End of Fear12. Ciara, Basic Instinct13. Mulatu Astatke, Steps Ahead 14. Shakira, Sale el Sol15. DJ Zhao, Ngoma 4: Generation Bass 16. M.I.A., Maya17. Henry Threadgill, This Brings Us To, Vol. 218. Janelle Monae, The ArchAndroid 19. Cathedral, The Guessing Game20. Heart, Red Velvet Car
21. Sade, Soldier of Love22. Markus Laufenberg Mumur, Ennedi23. Guzaarish soundtrack24. Nortec Collective, Bulevar 200025. Traband, Domasa26. Ranjit Barot, Bada Boom 27. Cee-Lo Green, The Lady Killer28. The Roots, How I Got Over29. Al-yaman, Insanyya30. The Morning Benders, Big Echo31. Ted Leo and the Pharmacists, The Brutalist Bricks32. Esperanza Spalding, Chamber Music Society33. Beppe Crovella, What’s Rattlin’ on the Moon34. Big Boi, Lucious Leftfoot35. Format A’3, Sync36. Cornershop, Judy Sucks a Lemon for Breakfast37. The Body, All the Waters of the Earth Turn to Blood38. V.A., Fela! Original Broadway Cast Recording39. Das Racist, Sit Down, Man40. Kanye West, My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy
41. High on Fire, Snakes for the Divine42. Raheem DeVaughn, The Love and War Masterpeace43. Benoit Delbecq, Circles & Calligrams44. Bruce Springsteen, The Promise45. Speed Caravan, Kalashnik Love46. It’s a Wonderful Afterlife soundtrack47. Taylor Swift, Speak Now48. Of Montreal, False Priest49. Black Keys, Brothers50. MGMT, Congratulations51. Yellow Sisters, Tubab Woman52. Manu Chao, Baionarena53. Matorralman, Guateque Estelar 54. Vampire Weekend, Contra55. Omar Sosa & NDR Bigband, Ceremony56. Pat Metheny, Orchestrion57. King Giant, Southern Darkness58. Holy Fuck, Latin59. Robin Holcomb and Talking Pictures with Wayne Horvitz, The Point of It All60. Sufjan Stevens, The Age of Adz
61. Bird Show Band, Bird Show Band62. Black Robot, Baddass63. Chrisette Michelle, Let Freedom Reign64. Jamey Johnson, The Guitar Song65. My Name is Khan soundtrack66. Nellie McKay, Home Sweet Mobile Home67. How to Dress Well, Love Remains68. Sharon Jones and the Dap-Kings, I Learned the Hard Way69. Rob Swift, The Architect70. Pantha Du Prince, Black Noise71. Gil Scott-Heron, I’m New Here72. Bettye LaVette, Interpretations73. Jon Oliva’s Pain, Festival74. Big Light, Big Light75. The Doubt, Never Pet a Burning Dog76. Alesana, The Emptiness77. Raduza, Miluju Vas78. Steve Raegele, Last Century79. Untied States, Instant Everything, Constant Nothing80. Emanuel and the Fear, Listen
81. Ruth Gerson, This Can’t Be My Life82. Deadbeat, Radio Rothko83. Moraine, Manifest Density84. Elizabeth Withers, No Regrets85. The Mynabirds, What We Lose in the Fire We Gain in the Flood86. Mob Rules, Radical Peace87. Yodo Gimi, 8:3088. Virginie Teychene, I Feel So Good89. Brandan Wright, Boiling Point90. V.A., A Little Night Music soundtrack 91. Dennis Rea, Views From Chicheng Precipice92. Locksley, Be in Love93. Bezobratri, Bezobrav94. Right the Stars, Right the Stars95. Playdate, Playdate96. Serena Maneesh, S-M 2: Abyss in B Minor97. Mighty Tiger, Western Theater98. Enter the Magical Mystery 36 Chambers mixtape99. Solution .45, For Aeons Past100. Shearwater, The Golden Archipelago
― T Bone Streep (Cave17Matt), Saturday, 25 December 2010 20:15 (thirteen years ago) link
Well, we overlap on two albums. Not bad. Of course, I only have a list of seventeen (but that's a really lengthy EOY list for me).
― _Rudipherous_, Saturday, 25 December 2010 20:31 (thirteen years ago) link
American Songwriter top 50:
1.Black Keys – Brothers2.Mumford and Sons- Sigh No More3.Dylan LeBlanc – Pauper’s Field4.Jamey Johnson – The Guitar Song5.Yeasayer – Odd Blood6.Robert Plant – Band Of Joy7. Phosphorescent - Here’s To Taking It Easy8. Neil Young – Le Noise9. Arcade Fire – The Suburbs10. Laura Veirs – July Flame11. MGMT – Congratulations12. Taylor Swift – Speak Now13. Elizabeth Cook – Welder14. Elvis Costello – National Ransom15. Punch Brothers – Antifogmatic16. John Mellencamp – No Better Than This17. Zac Brown Band – You Get What You Give18. Old 97’s – The Grand Theatre Volume 119. Kings Of Leon – Come Around Sundown20. Bonnie Prince Billy – The Wonder Show of the World21, Sufjan Stevens – The Age of Adz22. Junip – Fields23. Superchunk – Majesty Shredding24. Laura Marling – I Speak Because I Can25. Midlake – The Courage Of Others26. Vampire Weekend – Contra27. Justin Townes Earle – Harlem River Blues28. Damien Jurado - Saint Bartlett29. Lightspeed Champion – Life is Sweet! Nice To Meet You30. Warpaint – The Fool31. William Tyler - Behold The Spirit32. Johnny Flynn – Been Listening33. Mount Eerie – Song Islands Vol. 234. The Preservation Hall Jazz Band – Preservation Hall: An Album To Benefit Preservation Hall35. The Dead Weather - Sea Of Cowards36. Jenny & Johnny – I’m Having Fun Now37. Thee Oh Sees - Warm Slime38. Chromeo - Business Casual39. Caribou – Swim40. Beach House - Teen Dream41. Jim Lauderdale – Patchwork River42. Local Natives – Gorilla Manor43. Joanna Newsom – Have One On Me44. Ty Segall – Melted45. Black Angels – Phosphene Dream46. Dr. Dog – Shame, Shame47. Javelin – No Mas48. Lissie – Catching A Tiger49. Patty Griffin – Downtown Church50. Sun Kil Moon – Admiral Fell Promises
― President Keyes, Saturday, 25 December 2010 20:37 (thirteen years ago) link
Caucasian-American Songwriter, amirite?
― The Reverend, Sunday, 26 December 2010 00:29 (thirteen years ago) link
Matt: Das Racist, homeboy?
― The Reverend, Saturday, December 25, 2010 6:29 PM (38 seconds ago) Bookmark
c'mon their #1 album is by the black keys!
― BIG SANTA aka the sleighdriver (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 26 December 2010 00:30 (thirteen years ago) link
Maybe the Chromeo guys can teach R. Kelly a thing or two.
― Andy K, Sunday, 26 December 2010 00:35 (thirteen years ago) link
Rev: you cot damn rite I like the Das Racist stuff; they are funny and good at freestyling and they dropped a reference to my favorite Mexican crime novelist so I fell in love with them immediately. Plus, their albums were free; I would have gotten into lots of cooler hip-hop like all you guys around here but I don't download commercial albums w/out paying, and for some reason Waka Flocka Flame never got down to $9.99 at Target, which is unfortunately the basis for a lot of my musical buying decisions.
― T Bone Streep (Cave17Matt), Sunday, 26 December 2010 01:18 (thirteen years ago) link
Most good hiphop isn't commercially released these days and is only available for free download so not a good excuse imo.
― in my world of yung joc (The Reverend), Sunday, 26 December 2010 01:23 (thirteen years ago) link
Okay you got me. Good job dude you win.
― T Bone Streep (Cave17Matt), Sunday, 26 December 2010 01:27 (thirteen years ago) link
You been told.
― in my world of yung joc (The Reverend), Sunday, 26 December 2010 01:28 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah but like usual I probably ain't gonna listen.
― T Bone Streep (Cave17Matt), Sunday, 26 December 2010 01:32 (thirteen years ago) link
gotta stand up for those major labels
― BIG SANTA aka the sleighdriver (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 26 December 2010 01:34 (thirteen years ago) link
RJG: There were a lot of factors behind me having to amp down my music internet coverage this year, including death of laptop. Also, feeling about hip-hop these days like it sounds like you're feeling about R&B.
― T Bone Streep (Cave17Matt), Sunday, 26 December 2010 01:44 (thirteen years ago) link
death of laptop affected me this year too :/
what's up with the cave btw?
― in my world of yung joc (The Reverend), Sunday, 26 December 2010 01:45 (thirteen years ago) link
Had to shut down the Cave, due to job stuff and life stuff and the fact that we were about the only people who read the damn thing. Damn shame, too, it was fun. But c'est le guerre.
― T Bone Streep (Cave17Matt), Sunday, 26 December 2010 01:49 (thirteen years ago) link
Also, feeling about hip-hop these days like it sounds like you're feeling about R&B.
― T Bone Streep (Cave17Matt), Saturday, December 25, 2010 5:44 PM Bookmark
I've been way happier with rap this year than I have been in a few tbh.
― in my world of yung joc (The Reverend), Sunday, 26 December 2010 01:51 (thirteen years ago) link
matt cib did u check the youtube playlist i madei would think youd dig some of it
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Sunday, 26 December 2010 03:52 (thirteen years ago) link
deej i am very interested in your youtube playlist, when I get a new laptop and some actual time I will watch all these things.
― T Bone Streep (Cave17Matt), Sunday, 26 December 2010 04:12 (thirteen years ago) link
for some reason Waka Flocka Flame never got down to $9.99 at Target, which is unfortunately the basis for a lot of my musical buying decisions.
shit's been $9.99 on amazon since release day (+ no tax in many states)
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Sunday, 26 December 2010 04:13 (thirteen years ago) link
you make a valid point, but if you knew how much i spent on music this year you would be like 0_0. in general though i don't buy music on amazon unless it's obscure brazilian shit i can't find anywhere else. i'm actually more embarrassed about the lack of south american and african and mexican music on my list than the lack of u.s. hip-hop.
― T Bone Streep (Cave17Matt), Sunday, 26 December 2010 04:21 (thirteen years ago) link
Serious question: Is there anything approaching a general-consensus hip-hop critics' poll?
― slow a cat sample down 800 percent (Matos W.K.), Sunday, 26 December 2010 17:27 (thirteen years ago) link
http://blog.afropop.org/2010/12/top-10-african-compilations.html
Afropop Worldwide's top 10 African compilations for the year. That 18 cd "Africa:50 Years of Music" one is number one.
― curmudgeon, Sunday, 26 December 2010 17:38 (thirteen years ago) link
xp not that i know of, and if so i prob wouldn't wanna read it
― k3vin k., Sunday, 26 December 2010 18:17 (thirteen years ago) link
passion of the weiss did a decade poll a year or so ago
― k3vin k., Sunday, 26 December 2010 18:18 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, and his jury was clearly made up of indie-rock cornballz
― kenny noggins (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 26 December 2010 20:47 (thirteen years ago) link
right
― k3vin k., Sunday, 26 December 2010 21:31 (thirteen years ago) link
Matt, you know I love you but this:
they dropped a reference to my favorite Mexican crime novelist so I fell in love with them immediately
is like something that falls from the mouths of indie-dilletante strawmen that guys like me and deej construct on the daily
― kenny noggins (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 26 December 2010 21:33 (thirteen years ago) link
might as well post the passion of the weiss's top 50 hip-hop songs of 2010 list:
50. Celph Titled & Buckwild - “Fuckmaster Sex” 49. 5 0′ Clock Shadowboxers - “No Resolution” ft. Has Lo, Nico the Beast, Elucid48. L.E.P. Bogus Boys-”Going in for the Kill” 47. B.O.B. - “Bet I Bust” ft. T.I. & Playboy Tre 46. Dru Down ft. The Jacka - “Hellooo” 45. Gangrene – Chain Swinging 44. Fat Joe f/ Young Jeezy “Ha Ha (Slow Down)” 43. Blu ft. U-God - “Keep It Going” 42. Black Hippy - Zip That, Chop That 41. Intuition - “Al Bundy” 40. Ludacris - “How Low” 39. Smoke DZA ft. Curren$y & Big K.R.I.T. - “Etc Etc” 38. Co$$ - “Fake Kings” [37. Shad - “Rose Garden” 36. Mistah F.A.B. - “Ungrateful” 35. Killer Mike - “Swimming” 34. Method Man + Raekwon + Ghostface - “Pimpin Chipp” 33. Earl Sweatshirt - “Earl” 32. Homeboy Sandman - “The Carpenter” 31. The Roots – “How I Got Over” 30. Lloyd Banks ft. Juelz Santana - “Beamer, Benz, or Bentley” 29. DJ Quik & Suga Free - “Nobody” 28. Open Mike Eagle ft. Nocando - “Unapologetic” 27. The Funk League ft. Large Professor - “Through Good & Bad” 26. Twista – “The Heat ft Raekwon” 25. Grimace Federation “Bosico (Aesop Rock Remix)” 24. Big K.R.I.T. - “Hometown Hero” 23. E-40 ft. Too Short & 50 Cent - “Bitch” 22. Freeway & Jake One - “African Drums”21. Shabazz Palaces “32 Leaves Dipped in Blackness Making Clouds Forming Altered Carbon” 20. Vado - “Large in the Streets” 19. J Cole - “Who Dat”18. Soulja Boy - “Speakers Going Hammer” 17. Nocando - “Hurry Up and Wait” 16. The Knux - “Medusa (Let’s Get Stoned)” 15. G-Side ft. 6 Tre & Codie G - “Feel The” 14. 13. Tyler, the Creator - “Bastard” 12. Black Milk ft. Danny Brown - “Black & Brown” 11. Waka Flaka Flame - “Hard in the Paint” 10. Rick Ross ft Styles P – B.M.F 09. Das Racist ft. El-P - “Sit Down, Man” 08. Jay Electronica - “Shiny Suit Theory ft. Jay-Z” 07. Danny Brown - “Nowhere 2 Go” 06. Freddie Gibbs - “The Ghetto” 05. Roc Marciano - “Scarface N**ga” 04. Curren$y – “King Kong” 03. Big Boi - “Shutterbugg” 02. Kanye West ft. John Legend - “Blame Game” 01. Yelawolf - “Looking for Alien Love”
http://passionweiss.com/2010/12/16/the-50-best-hip-hop-songs-of-2010-50-26/
― prolego, Sunday, 26 December 2010 21:41 (thirteen years ago) link
that is one random ass yelawolf song
― BIG SANTA aka the sleighdriver (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 26 December 2010 21:44 (thirteen years ago) link
that's a solid list
that's my favorite krit song too!
― k3vin k., Sunday, 26 December 2010 21:54 (thirteen years ago) link
props on "bitch" too
Bitch is hands down the worst song on that entire album
― kenny noggins (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 26 December 2010 22:11 (thirteen years ago) link
not at all. ban
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Sunday, 26 December 2010 22:11 (thirteen years ago) link
the list is pretty decent & totally in line w/ potw writers, but the writing is hella lazy
― BIG SANTA aka the sleighdriver (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 26 December 2010 22:13 (thirteen years ago) link
also this re: "who dat" is hilarious
Probably the most straightforwardly lyrical single to drop on major label since “A Milli.”
Though the abysmal first-week showing of Soulja Boy’s third album, The DeAndre Way, probably dooms him (it didn’t crack the top 50), it’s really quite good, not a “Yah Trick Yah” in the bunch
talk about missing the point
― BIG SANTA aka the sleighdriver (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 26 December 2010 22:15 (thirteen years ago) link
rae song bangs, hadn't heard it before
― BIG SANTA aka the sleighdriver (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 26 December 2010 22:17 (thirteen years ago) link
"bitch" is definitely not the worst but it's also far from the best, why do people keep singling it out?
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Sunday, 26 December 2010 22:18 (thirteen years ago) link
great chorus?
― BIG SANTA aka the sleighdriver (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 26 December 2010 22:20 (thirteen years ago) link
oh that's passion of the weiss? when i interviewed ikonika she was bitching heavily about "some shitty little blog that called me the m.i.a. of dubstep", which we both lol'ed at for a while - turned out it was that
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Sunday, 26 December 2010 22:20 (thirteen years ago) link
this yelawolf song is kinda "..." but "blame game" at #2 i kinda dig
― BIG SANTA aka the sleighdriver (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 26 December 2010 22:26 (thirteen years ago) link
like the writeup on "hometown hero"
― k3vin k., Sunday, 26 December 2010 22:31 (thirteen years ago) link
I can def tell that Weiss is more attuned to my own listening habits of looking for gems in full albums and more-critical-mass mixtapes than the more noz/deej/j0rdan "in my world of YouTube."
― kenny noggins (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 26 December 2010 22:35 (thirteen years ago) link
except for where he names the #1 song of the year a song not even on either yelawolf release
― BIG SANTA aka the sleighdriver (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 26 December 2010 22:37 (thirteen years ago) link
that's just old-fashioned challops, read yr ILX
― kenny noggins (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 26 December 2010 22:42 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean, it's basically a list of tracks from the the 40-or-so biggest rap goon-approved releases and a few wild cards. My list would be like all the same names in a different order
― kenny noggins (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 26 December 2010 22:44 (thirteen years ago) link
Not that I'm complaining. It's obviously a great list, but it says more about rap-in-2010 than Weiss (and not that I'm complaining about that either)
can you clear the air about whether or not you're complaining
― BIG SANTA aka the sleighdriver (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 26 December 2010 22:46 (thirteen years ago) link
i dont think thats really an accurate characterization whineyof me/noz/jordan's approach, or weiss'
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Sunday, 26 December 2010 23:37 (thirteen years ago) link
s
i mean voting dru down 'hello' is a total youtube (the album JUST leaked)me voting for an instrumental from a ski beatz comp is a 'goon approved album track'
XXXXXXXP: Whiney you know I love you too but you must know how little I care which strawmen I resemble. I have been on this board for a minute or two and if I haven't earned a couple doubt-benefits by now then it's just more proof that you all need me and my AWESOME PERSPECTIVE.
(Plus if some bearded hipster listens to Das Racist and says "Oh man I wanna be cool like those guys so I better go read some Paco Ignacio Taibo II novels" — like I did with all the references Public Enemy dropped in 1988 — then that's all bonus.) (yes i know that sounds ridic)
― T Bone Streep (Cave17Matt), Sunday, 26 December 2010 23:51 (thirteen years ago) link
What's the deal with Shabazz Palaces albums/tracks showing up on 2010 lists? Weren't they 2009 releases?
― Zsa Zsa Gay Bar (jaymc), Monday, 27 December 2010 00:05 (thirteen years ago) link
no one outside of Seattle knew about them iirc? Same thing with Tyler, The Creator
― nog it out with (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 27 December 2010 00:07 (thirteen years ago) link
and Horseback
it happens.
Matos: hiphopcritic.com has ran album/single/mixtape polls the last few years. Their site appears to be down tho.
That PotW list is pretty good.
― in my world of yung joc (The Reverend), Monday, 27 December 2010 01:12 (thirteen years ago) link
whiney and i were throwing around the idea of doing an invite-only goon EOY poll
― BIG SANTA aka the sleighdriver (J0rdan S.), Monday, 27 December 2010 01:16 (thirteen years ago) link
Btw, I agree with Whiney about "Bitch" being the worst song on the E-40. That shit is tired.
― in my world of yung joc (The Reverend), Monday, 27 December 2010 01:37 (thirteen years ago) link
http://fourfour.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451b8c369e2010535c3d6e8970b-pi
― k3vin k., Monday, 27 December 2010 03:42 (thirteen years ago) link
that's a girl that is primed for global pop-chart domination.
― Daniel, Esq., Monday, 27 December 2010 03:43 (thirteen years ago) link
pouty and vacant, but defiant.
HMV's poll of polls:
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/critics-name-the-years-best-albums-ndash-but-are-they-right-2169468.html
― _Rudipherous_, Monday, 27 December 2010 03:44 (thirteen years ago) link
are they for real talking about 'album sales' in 2010
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Monday, 27 December 2010 08:38 (thirteen years ago) link
― smangda (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, December 20, 2010 9:59 PM (1 week ago)
YMMV, obvs, but I quite enjoyed Dierks Bentley's "Up On The Ridge." Moderately bluegrassy country record featuring guest spots by Jamey J., Miranda Lambert, Del McCoury, Chris Thile, etc. I liked it better than the Jamey record.
Not sure there was a nerd-friendly, Paisley/Lambert-style knockout punch in country this year, really.
― alpine static, Monday, 27 December 2010 08:43 (thirteen years ago) link
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Monday, December 27, 2010 3:38 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark
^yeah I wasnt for sure if I was a bad person for getting severely annoyed by that, y'know, given the Shitfork hegemony that has crowded many of these EOY lists (no offense for those who gotta eat)...
― Ned Rag & the Evil Olive Gardens (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 27 December 2010 09:46 (thirteen years ago) link
My favorite country/bluegrassy LP of the moment, The Steeldriver's Reckless, isn't on a major label--but the lead singer/songwriter guy is a Nashville insider who sells songs to Brooks & Dunn, Kenny Chesney, Blake Shelton, Darius Rucker, etc. Similar to JJ in that respect, but with a better voice.
― President Keyes, Monday, 27 December 2010 13:01 (thirteen years ago) link
I read that as "The Steendriver"
― in my world of yung joc (The Reverend), Monday, 27 December 2010 13:16 (thirteen years ago) link
Is there a silver medal winner for this years "major label country dude that nerds have passing interest in"
Wouldn't the answer to this be "Taylor Swift" (especially if Miranda Lambert counted last year)?
Anyway, there's lots of country on my lists, like always. Jace Everett, Flynnville Train, and Chely Wright (along with Taylor and Jamey) all made my Pazz & Jop ballot, though none of those three were technically on a major label. Major-label dudewise, certain other critics seemed to like Kenny Chesney, Jerrod Neimann, Trace Adkins, Randy Houser, Dierks Bentley, Josh Turner, or Gary Allan (all of whose albums were good-to-passable, in more or less that order to my ears) more. (Probably left some out, too.)
― xhuxk, Monday, 27 December 2010 13:57 (thirteen years ago) link
Since we're on Country at the moment:
Country Universe Top Singles
1. Miranda Lambert- The House That Built Me2. Little Big Town- Little White Church3. Sugarland- Stuck Like Glue4. The Band Perry- If I Die Young5. Eric Church- Smoke a Little Smoke6. Zac Brown Band- As She's Walking Away7. Laura Bell Bundy- Giddy On Up8. Laura Bell Bundy- Drop On By9. Chely Wright- Broken10. Dierks Bentley- Draw Me a Map11. David Nail- Turning Home12. Lee Ann Rimes- Swingin'13. Luke Bryan- Rain is a Good Thing14. Tim McGraw- Still15. Carrie Underwood- Undo It16. Jerrod Nieman- Lover, Lover17. Little Big Town- Kiss Goodbye18. Randy Rogers Band- Steal You Away19. Jerrod Nieman- Do What You Want20. Lee Ann Rimes- Crazy Women21. Miranda Lambert- Only Prettier22. Cay Walker- She Won't Be Lonely Long23. Taylor Swift- Fearless24. Jamey Johnson- Playing the Part25. Bucky Covington- A Father's Love26. Lady Antebellum- American Honey27. Keith Urban- Put You in a Song28. Blake Shelton- Who Are You When I'm Not Looking29. Mary Chapin Carpenter- I Put My Ring Back On30. Easton Corbin- Roll With It31. Sunny Sweeney- From a Table Away32. Jaron & the Long Road to Love- Pray For You33. Keith Urban- I'm In34. Carrie Underwood- Temporary Home35. Billy Currington- Pretty Good at Drinkin' Beer36. Sugarland- Little Miss37. Taylor Swift- Back to December38. Clay Walker- Where Do I Go From You39. Joey + Rory- That's Important to Me40. Rascal Flatts- Why Wait
― President Keyes, Monday, 27 December 2010 14:38 (thirteen years ago) link
Folk Roots
1. Bellowhead Hedonism (Navigator)2. Ali Farka Touré & Toumani Diabate Ali And Toumani (World Circuit)3. AfroCubism AfroCubism (World Circuit)4. Eliza Carthy & Norma Waterson Gift (Topic)5. Chris Wood Handmade Life (R.U.F.)6. Cheikh Lô Jamm (World Circuit)7= Emily Portman The Glamoury (Furrow) Alasdair Roberts Too Long In This Condition (Navigator)9. Carolina Chocolate Drops Genuine Negro Jig (Nonesuch)10.Konono No 1 Assume Crash Position (Crammed)11= Andy Cutting Andy Cutting (Lane) Natalie Merchant Leave Your Sleep (Nonesuch)13= Jim Moray In Modern History (NIAG) Syriana The Road To Damascus (Real World)15= Asmara All Stars Eritrea’s Got Soul (Outhere) The Imagined Village Empire And Love (Emerson Corncrake Constantine) Ballake Sissoko & Vincent Segal Chamber Music (No Format)18. Hindi Zahra Handmade (Blue Note)19= Ian King Panic Grass And Feverfew (Fledg’ling) Ruth Theodore White Holes Of Mole Hills (River Rat)
Reissues1. Various Africa – 50 Years Of Music (Discograph/Sterns)2. Étoile de Dakar feat. Youssou N’Dour Once Upon A Time In Senegal (Sterns)3. Various Palenque Palenque (Soundway)4. Various The Roots Of Chicha Vol 2 (Crammed)5. Shirley Collins Sweet England (Fled’gling)6. Various Ghosts From The Basement (Weekend Beatnik)7. Various Next Stop Soweto Vol. 2 (Strut)8= A.L. Lloyd An Evening With A.L. Lloyd (Fellside) Various Folk Against Fascism Vol.1 (Folk Against Fascism) Various More Miles Than Money (Ace)11. Various The Sound Of Siam (Soundway)12= Bob Dylan The Witmark Demos 1962 – 1964 (Sony) Incredible String Band The Hangman’s Beautiful Daughter (Fledg’ling) Issa Juma & Super Wanyika Stars The World Defeats The Grandfathers (Sterns) Various Afrobeat Airways: West African Shock Waves (Analog Africa) Various Angola Soundtrack: The Unique Sound Of Luanda (Analog Africa) Various Sound Of The World Presents Anywhere On This Road (Warner Classics & Jazz)
― State Attorney Foxhart Cubycheck (Billy Dods), Monday, 27 December 2010 14:49 (thirteen years ago) link
Can't argue with that fRoots Top Five...
― mike t-diva, Monday, 27 December 2010 15:02 (thirteen years ago) link
There's no way Janelle Monae only sold 20,000. Must be UK-only sales.
― Fastnbulbous, Monday, 27 December 2010 15:36 (thirteen years ago) link
Those sales figures look incomplete to me also.
x-post re fRoots top 5:
The late Ali Farka Toure's final effort seems to be showing up a fair amount. I had never heard of their number 1 choice, Brit folk-rockers Bellowhead, till now.
― curmudgeon, Monday, 27 December 2010 15:42 (thirteen years ago) link
lol @ deej pretending that "album sales" are meaningless
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 27 December 2010 15:44 (thirteen years ago) link
I mean, yeah, its a really stupid indicator of "quality" that influences any kind of "best of" list, but pretending that album sales don't still influence what kind of label support and marketing push an artist gets is just being willfully stubborn.
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 27 December 2010 15:45 (thirteen years ago) link
I actually wouldn't be that surprised if Monae only sold 20k in the U.S., but that's just me being cynical again.
― slow a cat sample down 800 percent (Matos W.K.), Monday, 27 December 2010 15:48 (thirteen years ago) link
she sold 21k her first week. those are definitely not us figures -- yeezy at 50k?
― The Reverend, Monday, 27 December 2010 16:03 (thirteen years ago) link
Extracted from Soundscan stats last week. Should be more complete lists available in just over a week.
Rank - TITLE - Artist - 2010 Sales - Total Sales (released before 2010)01 - RECOVERY - Eminem - 3,145,760 -02 - SOLDIER OF LOVE - Sade - 1,287,173 -03 - THANK ME LATER - Drake - 1,210,763 -04 - RAYMOND V RAYMOND - Usher - 1,156,966 -05 - THE E.N.D. (THE ENERGY NEVER DIES) - Black Eyed Peas - 1,088,153 - 2,874,97806 - REBIRTH - Lil Wayne - 697,423 -07 - THE ELEMENT OF FREEDOM - Alicia Keys - 680,270 - 1,459,36308 - MY BEAUTIFUL DARK TWISTED FANTASY - Kanye West - 671,994 -09 - PASSION PAIN & PLEASURE - Trey Songz - 565,852 -10 - I AM NOT A HUMAN BEING - Lil Wayne - 564,110 -11 - PINK FRIDAY - Nicki Minaj - 560,992 -12 - BATTLE OF THE SEXES - Ludacris - 555,432 -13 - STILL STANDING - Monica - 533,559 -14 - RATED R - Rihanna - 515,568 - 1,014,16315 - LOUD - Rihanna - 495,641 -16 - B.O.B. PRESENTS THE ADVENTURES OF BOBBY RAY - B.O.B. - 463,572 -17 - STRONGER (WITH EACH TEAR) - Mary J Blige - 450,845 - 844,85018 - READY - Trey Songz - 403,300 - 841,73419 - ANOTHER ROUND - Jaheim - 382,049 -20 - WE ARE YOUNG MONEY - Young Money - 362,112 - 547,80821 - RELAPSE - Eminem - 359,949 - 2,095,30722 - BACK TO ME - Fantasia - 350,684 -23 - THIS IS IT - Michael Jackson - 341,578 - 1,628,62324 - THE BLUEPRINT 3 - Jay-Z - 323,070 - 1,837,82825 - NEW AMERYKAH PART TWO: RETURN OF THE ANKH - Erykah Badu - 296,367 -26 - DOO-WOPS & HOOLIGANS - Bruno Mars - 274,056 -27 - KIDZ BOP 17 - Kidz Bop Kids - 269,185 -28 - JASON DERULO - Jason Derulo - 259,517 -29 - MAN ON THE MOON: THE END OF DAY - Kid Cudi - 250,181 - 509,94030 - I AM…SASHA FIERCE - Beyonce - 244,285 - 2,903,10731 - SEX THERAPY: THE SESSION - Robin Thicke - 233,409 - 443,23332 - THE STATE VS RADRIC DAVIS - Gucci Mane - 217,849 - 408,92533 - SO FAR GONE - Drake - 216,993 - 546,14134 - THE BRIDGE - Melanie Fiona - 213,553 - 332,84735 - THE ESSENTIAL - Michael Jackson - 206,134 - 1,733,13036 - VERSUS (EP) - Usher - 205,724 -37 - SIR LUSCIOUS LEFT FOOT: THE SON OF CHICO DUSTY - Big Boi - 199,319 -38 - WAKE UP - John Legend & Roots - 192,448 -39 - THRILLER - Michael Jackson - 192,101 - 5,897,45840 - THE BEGINNING - Black Eyed Peas - 181,321 -41 - THA CARTER III - Lil' Wayne - 178,709 - 3,519,45142 - BLACKSUMMERS'NIGHT - Maxwell - 176,980 - 1,125,78643 - HOW I GOT OVER - Roots - 175,061 - 175,061
― Fastnbulbous, Monday, 27 December 2010 16:17 (thirteen years ago) link
How Superstars’ Pay Stifles Everyone Else
Consider the market for pop music. In 1982, the top 1 percent of pop stars, in terms of pay, raked in 26 percent of concert ticket revenue. In 2003, that top percentage of stars — names like Justin Timberlake, Christina Aguilera or 50 Cent — was taking 56 percent of the concert pie.
― Yours sincerely, Bad Poetry (Sanpaku), Monday, 27 December 2010 18:56 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm guessing those Soundscan stats are for hip hop/R&B only since Taylor isn't on there.
― President Keyes, Monday, 27 December 2010 19:12 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm guessing they're only for hiphop/r&b because only hiphop & r&b artists are on there.
― The Reverend, Monday, 27 December 2010 20:09 (thirteen years ago) link
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 27 December 2010 15:45 (4 hours ago) Permalink
what does this have to do w/ anything? its an article about how critics are disconnected from real america (which is like, duh) but then it suggests that what is popular is represented by cd sales, which is wholly incorrect in 2010. i didnt say anything about sales not influencing things
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Monday, 27 December 2010 20:33 (thirteen years ago) link
you said: "are they for real talking about 'album sales' in 2010"
as if they shouldn't be a consideration at all, which I disagree with
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 27 December 2010 20:34 (thirteen years ago) link
for the argument they are making, its a pretty meaningless consideration
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Monday, 27 December 2010 20:38 (thirteen years ago) link
rather than continue on in circles here, my issue is when you say that album sales, as an indication of popularity is "wholly incorrect", I don't agree with that at all.
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 27 December 2010 20:41 (thirteen years ago) link
well, i dont think that cd sales are representative of how most ppl engage w/ music in 2010, esp. compared with a decade ago. do you disagree w/ that?
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Monday, 27 December 2010 20:42 (thirteen years ago) link
i agree with sales not being at all representive of how people "engage with" music in 2010, but i still think album sales are still a fair-ish representation of what remains popular with a large percentage of music consumers
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 27 December 2010 20:45 (thirteen years ago) link
'a large' percentage, meaning what exactly? a much smaller one than was the case a decade ago surely. i know we like to think indie took over in the past couple of yrs but you guys cant seriously think that arcade fire or w/e are even in the same world of popularity as like idk semisonic
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Monday, 27 December 2010 20:49 (thirteen years ago) link
I mean album sales at this point are pretty much restricted to the most popular of popular stuff, right? Your big-box chain stores are down to stocking pretty much only Top 40 stuff, so I think physical album sales are still really indicative of what is really and truly popular. But I think album sales as a measurment of how people "engage with" msuic is totally missing the point, as you seem to be saying.
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 27 December 2010 20:50 (thirteen years ago) link
but you guys cant seriously think that arcade fire or w/e are even in the same world of popularity as like idk semisonic
Actualy I'd say these two bands are pretty close in terms of overall popularity, but I'm not sure what your yardstick is here. If "album sales", well, no, but it is pretty useless to compare any 2010 band with a 1998 band in terms of sales.
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 27 December 2010 20:51 (thirteen years ago) link
But even if sales are a tiny fraction of what they once were, it doesn't render them useless as a measuring device.
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 27 December 2010 20:52 (thirteen years ago) link
i think they are much more useless as a measuring device of an artist's popularity, because only certain demographics are actually paying for albums now
ask j0rdan s. how many cds he owns
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Monday, 27 December 2010 20:57 (thirteen years ago) link
― BIG SANTA aka the sleighdriver (J0rdan S.), Monday, 27 December 2010 20:58 (thirteen years ago) link
because only certain demographics are actually paying for albums now
I'm not disagreeing with you on this point at all. But "more uselss" /= "completely useless".
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 27 December 2010 20:59 (thirteen years ago) link
I mean, your argument is verging on "ILM poster X never streams music through last.fm, so last.fm isn't a valid measuring device for the popularity of a given artist"
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 27 December 2010 21:00 (thirteen years ago) link
well, any substantive number means *something* but for the purposes of that article, completely useless, yes. id say sales are about as representative of 'the people' as critics' opinions are, just in a different, distorted way
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Monday, 27 December 2010 21:00 (thirteen years ago) link
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, December 27, 2010 3:00 PM (12 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
its only a valid measuring device for a very narrow demographic! at some level, its pretty useless
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Monday, 27 December 2010 21:01 (thirteen years ago) link
like i guarantee you that rap sales are way way way deflated where grown folks R&B sales are only somewhat deflated -- so the impact on popularity is that sade & maxwell suddenly are dominating. or drake is suddenly the best selling rapper *rmde*
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Monday, 27 December 2010 21:02 (thirteen years ago) link
but at some levels, I think also very useful; but I think we are getting at the core difficulty when it comes to determining popularity in 2010 - demographics are not only very splintered, but also widely varied simply in how music is consumed, there really isn't a good way at all to definitively say Artist X is more popular than Artist Y
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 27 December 2010 21:03 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean, sade would have sold ridic numbers regardless, but suddenly the number of albums competing w/ her are just like, the absurd eminem cult
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Monday, 27 December 2010 21:04 (thirteen years ago) link
I mean, yeah, it'd be great if we could invent something that tracked every ringtone and streamed YouTube play in the world, but until that happens we have to settle for the yardsticks we can access.
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 27 December 2010 21:05 (thirteen years ago) link
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, December 27, 2010 3:03 PM (59 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
exactly what im saying -- album sales are, less than ever before, not accurately measuring music's popularity -- theyre simply measuring the # of people willing to pay for an artifact of music when its all available for free online. no way is that a remotely accurate measurement of music's actual popularity
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Monday, 27 December 2010 21:05 (thirteen years ago) link
xp You'd have to show that the most "popular" acts overall (in terms of, say, concert tickets, youtube views, merch sales, illegal downloads, free mixtape downloads, subscription service streams, ringtones, whatever) are something other than the ones who sell the most albums. That's probably true in some cases (with, say, legacy acts who can still sell out huge venues without even putting out new product), but I'd still guess the two lists would be pretty similar, for the most part. And if album sales aren't the best indicator of popularity, what is? (Some combo of all the variables I named, and more, maybe, with math formula to be determined later. But I doubt any of them on their own are a better metric than album sales.) That article was still pretty stupid anyway, though.
― xhuxk, Monday, 27 December 2010 21:07 (thirteen years ago) link
And if album sales aren't the best indicator of popularity, what is?
im not sure i get the logic behind "although this is now a very inaccurate measurement of popularity, we should continue referring to it w/out acknowledging the considerable shortcomings because we dont have a better method of measurement"
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Monday, 27 December 2010 21:09 (thirteen years ago) link
the bungling of gucci's career by major labels is a perfect example to me of sales not actually representing the potential popular energy of an artist. he gave away tons of free music! how do you incorporate that into a major label record sales model?
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Monday, 27 December 2010 21:11 (thirteen years ago) link
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Semisonic is a pretty weird example, dude. sure they have one song everyone knows, but virtually no other songs that are remotely as popular, and they had one album go platinum on the strength of that song at a time when it was really easy to go platinum. I'd say a nominal 'indie' band that's had a couple top 5 Billboard debuts and is a decent-sized concert draw is in some ways more popular than Semisonic ever were.
― some dude, Monday, 27 December 2010 21:12 (thirteen years ago) link
what is a 'decent sized concert draw' -- idk then, what about like weezer or something. is that comparable to arcade fire's level of fame?
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Monday, 27 December 2010 21:13 (thirteen years ago) link
Also, Arcade Fire has been on SNL twice, Semisonic never was, I think that certainly says something about relative levels of popularity.
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 27 December 2010 21:13 (thirteen years ago) link
Not sure how much, but Lorne Michaels isn't know for booking no-names these days.
"known"
i think youre arcade fire fans are more likely to pay for records than your soulja boy fans. is arcade fire more popular than soulja boy?
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Monday, 27 December 2010 21:14 (thirteen years ago) link
I'd never even heard of that song until I saw deej rep for it so much on ILM. xxxxp
― The Reverend, Monday, 27 December 2010 21:14 (thirteen years ago) link
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, December 27, 2010 3:13 PM (45 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Oh, so you can randomly pick and choose which yardsticks fit your worldview but no one else can?
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 27 December 2010 21:15 (thirteen years ago) link
haha i was repping for semisonic?? i doubt it. maybe i defended it halfheartedly at one pt? my sister had that cd, along with Fastball & matchbox 20 (Maybe thats the band i should be comparing arcade fire with ... i bet you there's no WAY arcade fire are at matchbox 20 levels ... that dude even had a minor solo career!)
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Monday, 27 December 2010 21:15 (thirteen years ago) link
I mean, ffs, you are still whining about Gucci not being as big as he is in your little corner of the web.
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, December 27, 2010 3:15 PM (11 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
im arguing that most yardsticks are insufficient. youre arguing that sales & SNL appearances are reasonable yardsticks, since we dont have any better ones.
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Monday, 27 December 2010 21:16 (thirteen years ago) link
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, December 27, 2010 3:15 PM (21 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i mean FFS you are misrepresenting my argument & thats not at all what im 'whining' about?
Of course its fucking stupid to hold up SNL appearances as an accurate barometer of popularity, but no more so than YouTube plays or w/e.
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 27 December 2010 21:16 (thirteen years ago) link
It was a joke, relax, I just thought it was funny that you found a way to shoehorn Gucci into this argument too!
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 27 December 2010 21:17 (thirteen years ago) link
i dont see how i needed to 'shoehorn' him in, his inability to turn popularity into sales is pretty much a perfect barometer about how 'sales' dont mean what they used to
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Monday, 27 December 2010 21:18 (thirteen years ago) link
fwiw youtube views seem equally unscientific to me
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Monday, 27 December 2010 21:19 (thirteen years ago) link
I think we agree on 95% of this issue, but we are butting heads over the remaining 5%. I just feel like you are drawing some sort of line and saying, "this is how I listen to music so it must be more accurately reflective of the world as a whole than album sales".
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 27 December 2010 21:19 (thirteen years ago) link
im not saying its MORE reflective, im just arguing that the viability of any yardstick is pretty much nil -- nothing today is as accurate as billboard was at the turn of the decade
of course that model had its own shortcomings -- album sales would often represent no more than single sales. but there was basically only one method to access the music at this point
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Monday, 27 December 2010 21:21 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm not saying your barometers are wrong or misleading, quite the opposite. But I also think your ways leave out huge chunks of the music-consuming public simply because they don't fit in with your narrative.
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 27 December 2010 21:21 (thirteen years ago) link
im not leaving them out! i know lots of people like sade! i just think that being able to get people to buy an album is a much more narrow slice of the music-producing industry than it once was
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Monday, 27 December 2010 21:24 (thirteen years ago) link
trying to point out the diff between critics & people who still pay for albums isnt much of a hook for an article, though
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Monday, 27 December 2010 21:25 (thirteen years ago) link
i just think that being able to get people to buy an album is a much more narrow slice of the music-producing industry than it once was
Again, not arguing this point at all, I agree 100%. I think album sales are a hugely flawed and short-sighted, yet somewhat accurate, method of measuring popularity in 2010. Should it be the single measuring stick to prove that Eminem is more popular than, say, Rihanna? Of course not. But I still find it incredibly useful in some respects and not that far off reality. I mean, if you are thinking that some new-fangled measurement system is suddenly going to prove that Gucci is more popular than Drake, you are going to be disappointed.
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 27 December 2010 21:28 (thirteen years ago) link
i think it would prove that they're much closer in popularity than albums sales would indicate regardless
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Monday, 27 December 2010 21:31 (thirteen years ago) link
"But I still find it incredibly useful in some respects and not that far off reality. "
i just dont see how you are jumping to this conclusion
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Monday, 27 December 2010 21:32 (thirteen years ago) link
like, theres an entire generation now who literally do not purchase CDs.
unless they are made by taylor swift
i mean, do you realize exactly how much CD sales have fallen in the past decade? its a massive, massive drop-off
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Monday, 27 December 2010 21:33 (thirteen years ago) link
i think sales figures include legal downloads now? illegal downloads obv the huge elephant in the room but until someone comes up w/a way of measuring them, they'll remain so
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Monday, 27 December 2010 21:35 (thirteen years ago) link
Dude, you are infuriating. I am well aware how much CD sales have fallen off. Whether artist X sells 24% of 10,000,000,000 albums or 24% of 10,000 albums, they are still repping for 24% of all album sales, which, I think, still speaks of a relative level of popularity compared to other artists on the chart.
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 27 December 2010 21:36 (thirteen years ago) link
yes their relative popularity with a much decreased, much less representative sampling of the population
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Monday, 27 December 2010 21:39 (thirteen years ago) link
What I'm saying is that if we were suddenly able to track illegal downloads, we would find a pretty similar breakdown in terms of how many kids are downloading the Black Eyed Peas versus how many kids are downloading Waka. And I think that breakdown would be fairly similar to how both artists are represented on the billboard charts. Not exact, no.
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 27 December 2010 21:40 (thirteen years ago) link
i dont think 'not exact' i think 'very different'
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Monday, 27 December 2010 21:41 (thirteen years ago) link
i know its nice to pretend that plies doesnt have a massive fanbase of 18 yr old white girls but i guarantee you that things really have not changed that much since silkk the shocker was going platinum.
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Monday, 27 December 2010 21:42 (thirteen years ago) link
So do you think kids aren't illegally downloading Taylor Swift in huge numbers? I mean, where exactly is this huge shift in demographics occurring?
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 27 December 2010 21:43 (thirteen years ago) link
like, sade, maxwell ... of course these artists are popular, but is it a coincidence that they have a fanbase that likely skews older? eminem, a pop star whose profile was highest a decade ago? its 30 year old stans buying his records now.
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Monday, 27 December 2010 21:43 (thirteen years ago) link
plies is pretty popular even y album sales metrics
― BIG SANTA aka the sleighdriver (J0rdan S.), Monday, 27 December 2010 21:45 (thirteen years ago) link
i dont know what the deal w/ taylor swift is. im guessing that wholesome music is an easier sell to parents -- rap cds were the ones you bought behind your parents back
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Monday, 27 December 2010 21:45 (thirteen years ago) link
But thats my point, you seem to be implying that people just aren't downloading T-Swift in huge numbers. I really think you are way off base if thats what you think.
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 27 December 2010 21:46 (thirteen years ago) link
i have no idea what her downloads are like she seems anomalous in this discussion, though -- her album sold more the week it was released than billboard #s 2-50 combined
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Monday, 27 December 2010 21:47 (thirteen years ago) link
Okay, forget her as a specific example. Do you really think rap artists are the only ones being illegally downloaded in huge numbers that are out of skew with their charting sales figures? I assure you that isn't the case.
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 27 December 2010 21:49 (thirteen years ago) link
I mean, I guarantee twice as many people illegally downloaded the new Korn CD than those who legally paid for it, even if their fanbase "skews older".
i dont think that, no, but its the area where i feel like i have a pretty solid grasp of the scale of things both historically & currently (although obv to much less of an extent currently)
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Monday, 27 December 2010 21:50 (thirteen years ago) link
im sure, like, my chemical romance or w/e their current equivalent is has been hit hard too
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Monday, 27 December 2010 21:52 (thirteen years ago) link
Delayed reaction: Matt, you should check out the 3Ball MTY EP which the artists have made available as a free download. New electronic dance sound out of Monterrey and Mexico City, and I am very hooked.
― _Rudipherous_, Monday, 27 December 2010 21:55 (thirteen years ago) link
I guess it comes down to this, for me. Correct me if I'm wrong about any of the assumptions I'm making. I feel like you are saying that rap artists are hit harder than most other genres and that their sales figures are significantly out of skew with the number of people illegally downloading their albums. And that you are also saying that, if we were somehow able to wave a magic wand that tabulated illegal downloads, a lot of rap artists would suddenly leap much higher up the charts than a lot of mainstream country/rock/indie artists.
My point is that I think this is pretty much true across the board and when we waved that magic wand, the relative chart spots would remain (with some exceptions, naturally) pretty close to what they are now.
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 27 December 2010 21:55 (thirteen years ago) link
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ok yeah, this is where we disagree, with the caveat that i hardly think that rap is the only genre impacted or that there arent certainly all kinds of ways w/ which the charts are distorted by the changes wrought by the internet that im sure crosses lots of genre boundaries -- i only use rap as examples because i feel like i have a good handle on what kinds of things have been selling historically vs. how the charts are now. the virtual disappearance of gangster rap from the charts hasnt been reflected w/ its popularity anecdotally for me, and imo its one of many genres where the less-scientific sampling of the charts makes its popularity/influence/impact less noted/covered/noticeable to say critics. i bet this is happening w/ lots of genres, esp youth-oriented ones
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Monday, 27 December 2010 22:06 (thirteen years ago) link
i think at the very LEAST sales have been flattened -- so the peaks are much less stark than they used to be -- does that make sense? like kings of leon vs. arcade fire, i bet KOL outsold arcade fire, but i bet the difference would be much more considerable in a pre-downloading world ... that the impact doesnt even necessarily have to be about x being more popular than y, but by how MUCH they are more popular ... there are all kinds of unquantifiable changes like this
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Monday, 27 December 2010 22:09 (thirteen years ago) link
Have you guys seen the Ultimate Chart, which purportedly aggregates data from YouTube and MySpace plays, Twitter and Facebook mentions, etc.?
― Zsa Zsa Gay Bar (jaymc), Monday, 27 December 2010 22:16 (thirteen years ago) link
i question the reliability of those stats but that def LOOKS more like a chart id imagine - albeit missing the oldster artists
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Monday, 27 December 2010 22:23 (thirteen years ago) link
I think it's not at all controversial to suggest that some genres will have been hit harder than others by illegal downloads.
In particular, genres which are more likely to be followed as genres by their fans online will build up communities of people sharing illegal downloads with one another. Whereas established fan bases for established artists (a) skew older; (b) are more likely to be followed in their capacity as a standalone artist; and (c) command a loyalty amongst that fan base that is more likely to result in a cd being purchased, even if in many cases out of a sense of obligation or guilt.
Moreover certain artists/styles still have a residual package-fetishism thing at work. Young girls who are Taylor Swift fans are more likely to want the picture book that comes with the CD. Dance music fans are the least sentimentalist of all, and to the extent that they fetishize anything it's vinyl - but not packaging etc.
Also CDs being purchased as gifts for friends and family - always a big thing - is now a proportionately much bigger thing than it used to be.
All of which helps to lessen slightly the impact of illegal downloading for some artists rather than others.
It hits all artists massively of course, but even minor variations in the proportional impact will have large effects on the resulting chart positions.
― Tim F, Monday, 27 December 2010 22:26 (thirteen years ago) link
I've kind of lost track of this discussion (went to the post office), but should have mentioned above that there are new metrics being tried out, beyond album sales. For instance, how meaningful it is is anybody's guess at this point probably, but a couple weeks ago Billboard launched an artist chart they call the "Social 50," which they say "will guage artist popularity using a formula blending weekly additions of friends, fans and followers, along with weekly artist page views and weekly song plays on MySpace, YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, and iLike. Social music tracking service Next Big Sound gathers data from these sites..."
The first chart was in the December 11 issue; top 20 artists went:
RihannaJustin BieberEminemLady GagaNicki MinajBlack Eyed PeasKaty PerryKe$haLinkin ParkShakiraLil WayneMichael JacksonTaylor SwiftIsherChristina Grimmie (who apparently covered Nelly's "Just A Dream" on youtube)Don OmarAkonShinedownEnrique IglesiasBeyonce
That same week, the top 20 artist albums, on the album sales chart, were by:
Kanye WestNicki MinajSusan BoyleTaylor SwiftJackie Evancho (*O Holy Night*)RihannaJustin Bieber (who actually had albums at both #7 and #21)My Chemical RomanceNe-YoKid RockJosh GrobanRascal FlattsKeith UrbanKe$haKaty PerrySugarlandChris Tomlin (another Christmas album))Justin AldeanLady AntebellumBon Jovi
Very different list. So the artists with apparently grown-up audiences (Boyle, Groban, the Christmas ones, Bon Jovi, Kid Rock), and country people in general (Taylor Swift included) didn't do as well on the social networks. Neither did My Chemical Romance. And obviously there are other variables that neither chart is tracking (illegal downloads being one big one, probably -- though I'm pretty sure Big Champagne has done some work in quantifying those over the past few years. But also, for instance, legal singles downloads, magazines purchased with Justin Bieber on the cover, requests to radio stations, live tickets, etc.) And to really show who's most popular, you'd have to come up with a formula that somehow combined all the variables.
― xhuxk, Monday, 27 December 2010 22:28 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah but "the social 50" & the chart that jaymc linked too are pretty much imperceptible from the hot 100
― BIG SANTA aka the sleighdriver (J0rdan S.), Monday, 27 December 2010 22:30 (thirteen years ago) link
even taking into account official social media like youtube, last.fm, myspazz and what have you, the unquantifiable elephant in the room is still common or garden illegal downloading - torrents and, y'know, just straight hitting up filestube.
deej/j0rdan i assume datpiff counts d/ls? do you think a majority of rap mixtape traffic goes through it?
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Monday, 27 December 2010 22:33 (thirteen years ago) link
fwiw im not arguing about the hot 100 (which iirc has drastically shifted its measurements in the past few years anyway? incorporating downloads etc) just the albums charts
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Monday, 27 December 2010 22:33 (thirteen years ago) link
datpiff does count dls -- iirc the top mixtapes have hundreds of thousands of downloads
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Monday, 27 December 2010 22:34 (thirteen years ago) link
this of course is further distorted by the fact that youre now talking WORLDWIDE downloads
and even further, because records labels (i.e., guccis) forced datpiff to remove his official mixtapes
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Monday, 27 December 2010 22:35 (thirteen years ago) link
xxxxp Uh, Usher not Isher obv.
And Michael Jackson did well on that first Social 50 Chart despite probably having lots of adults in his audience.
And right, there's that "Ultimate chart" too, which preceded the new one at Billboard.
― xhuxk, Monday, 27 December 2010 22:35 (thirteen years ago) link
this feeds into something i'd add to tim's (spot on) post re: who is more likely to illegally download (prob the most perceptive thing i've seen on these demographics tbh) - fans of music that's not legally available in their country
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Monday, 27 December 2010 22:41 (thirteen years ago) link
This piece, which ran upon the Ultimate Chart's unveiling in July, says Big Champagne are planning to "chart illegal downloads separately through a service called TopSwaps" (though it also seems to be suggesting they may be incorporated into the Ultimate Chart at some point.)
http://www.fastcompany.com/1672176/move-over-soundscan-music-has-a-new-chart
― xhuxk, Monday, 27 December 2010 22:44 (thirteen years ago) link
I think, as usual, the decline in music sales is greatly exaggerated. It's changing, for sure, but as of last year's report, it was still actually on the rise overall: http://blog.nielsen.com/nielsenwire/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Nielsen-Music-2009-Year-End-Press-Release.pdf
We'll see what the new report says next week.
YouTube and fileshares only have any financial impact on an artist if the artist tours much. It also depends on whether the type of audience that artist attracts actually goes to shows, which might vary widely between lesser known r&b, country, hip-hop, indie rock, and metal artists.
― Fastnbulbous, Monday, 27 December 2010 22:55 (thirteen years ago) link
It would be cool to see separate reports from all the streaming/subscription services too - Last F.M., Spotify, MOG, Rhapsody, etc. I think Nielson covers 'em, but not separated out.
― Fastnbulbous, Monday, 27 December 2010 23:02 (thirteen years ago) link
There are all sorts of variables at work that are difficult to factor in appropriately.
Like, one thing I often see glossed over is that it's not just people like us who are obtaining more music than ever before - it's the "average" 12 cd per year music listener as well, at least to the extent that they are downloading illegally. I think lots of people download what's big / popular / charting / on the radio for the purpose of having their own (in effect) radio playlist (this is particularly obv at parties), whereas before they might have just used the radio for that purpose. So there are lots of people who are now obtaining the most popular music who simply wouldn't have bothered before, in the same way that many people here seem to listen to 5 times as many albums per year now than they could have afforded in the pre-downloading era.
Conversely, the major labels and big artists are probably the most successful at stymying the accessibility and availability of free music on-line.
― Tim F, Monday, 27 December 2010 23:37 (thirteen years ago) link
the decline in music sales is greatly exaggerated. It's changing, for sure, but as of last year's report, it was still actually on the rise overall
Only if you equate buying an individual track with buying an entire album, which is what Nielsen is asking you to do when they claim "overall music sales" were up 2.1% in 2009 at the top of that press release. That's kind of fuzzy math; you might want to take it with a grain of salt. So yeah, "it's changing" -- from people buying albums to people buying singles. Which means -- dollarwise, or in terms of the amount of music purchased -- it's still shrinking fast. Rising sales in digital tracks still haven't come close to making up for album sales' plummet over the past decade, and probably never will.
YouTube and fileshares only have any financial impact on an artist if the artist tours much
Well, they might also conceivably help the artist get licensing deals (in movies, TV shows, ads) if companies are convinced of their popularity, or might help them sell more merchandise. But yeah, touring's more likely where it'd make a difference. Which just goes to show that "being popular" isn't necessarily the same these days as "making money at it."
― xhuxk, Monday, 27 December 2010 23:49 (thirteen years ago) link
"YouTube and fileshares only have any financial impact on an artist if the artist tours much"
i dont understand any logic by which this would be true
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Tuesday, 28 December 2010 00:54 (thirteen years ago) link
I think he means positive impact - if someone is downloading the music for free, they might make up for it by paying for a concert ticket.
There are of course other ways you can spend money on artist but concert tickets are by far the most directly lucrative for the artist (short of, like, pledging your inheritance to them etc.)
― Tim F, Tuesday, 28 December 2010 01:03 (thirteen years ago) link
merchandising at shows must be big too
but i mean look at jay elect, who has released only two tracks you are even able to purchase, and is now making soft drink ads. there are all sorts of income streams, hence labels coming up with the 360 deal.
― zvookster, Tuesday, 28 December 2010 01:31 (thirteen years ago) link
"eminem, a pop star whose profile was highest a decade ago? its 30 year old stans buying his records now."
dude, not cool, stan totally died.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 28 December 2010 01:36 (thirteen years ago) link
xp Yeah, I took fastnbulbous's post to mean that popularity on youtube or file-sharing sites could theoretically serve as exposure that might promote artists' live gigs (and the other revenue streams I named). Of course, whether that actually will happen often in real life is another question.
― xhuxk, Tuesday, 28 December 2010 01:44 (thirteen years ago) link
It's basically the same idea as when artists intentionally give away mixtapes for free, in hopes that that'll help bring people to shows (or maybe even lead to actual album sales down the line).
― xhuxk, Tuesday, 28 December 2010 01:52 (thirteen years ago) link
^^^ I think the above is a flawed model on a commercial level (at least in terms of people expecting album sales) - giving stuff away for free early on teaches people to expect it for free later. One of the problems with someone like Gucci is that the average listener can't hope to absorb even all the free mixtapes so there's really almost zero motivation to purchase a subsequent album unless it's got a massive hit on it.
Same problem for dance music DJs and artists - there's so many free sanctioned DJ sets now that the average listener hardly needs to buy anything (or even download illegally) to get their fill.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 28 December 2010 02:13 (thirteen years ago) link
plus, buying dance music in real life is HARD. hard to find for a lot of people. and buying online can be rilly expensive. sooooo much easier to just get it on your computer. its a godsend for people really.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 28 December 2010 02:16 (thirteen years ago) link
my wife saw me looking at this thread and told me to share her top three songs of 2010
1. the black keys - "tighten up"2. massive attack - "paradise circus" (ft. hope sandoval)3. broken bells - "the ghost inside"
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Tuesday, 28 December 2010 03:56 (thirteen years ago) link
^_____________________^
Ha, I just asked my fiancee what hers are:
1. Sam Amidon ft. Beth Orton, "You Better Mind"2. Janelle Monae ft. Big Boi, "Tightrope"3. Sleigh Bells, "Rill Rill"
― Zsa Zsa Gay Bar (jaymc), Tuesday, 28 December 2010 04:40 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm surprised normallers have ready-made answers to the q
― zvookster, Tuesday, 28 December 2010 04:43 (thirteen years ago) link
Why do you assume she's a "normaller"?
OK, she is.
But it just so happens she got really obsessed with those three songs in particular this year. I probably could've answered the question for her, though I wouldn't have known the order.
― Zsa Zsa Gay Bar (jaymc), Tuesday, 28 December 2010 04:49 (thirteen years ago) link
My boyfriend wouldn't have readymade answers but I'm guessing top choices would be "fuck you", "the only girl in the world", "all the lovers" and "dynamite".
― Tim F, Tuesday, 28 December 2010 04:51 (thirteen years ago) link
all good choices ^^
fyi my wife would probably round out her top 5 with "tightrope" and "cold war"
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Tuesday, 28 December 2010 05:30 (thirteen years ago) link
Also maybe that song by the script about sitting up all night drinking bottles of cheap red wine.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 28 December 2010 05:42 (thirteen years ago) link
sorry :(
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Tuesday, 28 December 2010 05:54 (thirteen years ago) link
what is "all the lovers"?
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 28 December 2010 05:57 (thirteen years ago) link
Kylie
― Zsa Zsa Gay Bar (jaymc), Tuesday, 28 December 2010 06:01 (thirteen years ago) link
Rising sales in digital tracks still haven't come close to making up for album sales' plummet over the past decade, and probably never will.
Yeah, but album sales from a decade ago were artificially inflated due to the death of the single (i.e. there was nothing else to buy other than the entire album). AFAIC, the relative proportion of album and singles sales are reaching more natural and realistic levels now.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Tuesday, 28 December 2010 06:10 (thirteen years ago) link
eminem, a pop star whose profile was highest a decade ago? its 30 year old stans buying his records now.
LOL, dude, eminem is like the rap equivalent of like The Offspring or The Red Hot Chili Peps or Metallica or the Doors where his shit is appealing to old nostalgia folks AND huge groups of new young ppl looking for timeless cool things.
it's not a bunch of fat, balding 30 y/os that keep Fuse in business, since they're playing Eminem like all the live long day
― nog it out with (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 28 December 2010 06:16 (thirteen years ago) link
Like the record store in my shitty nowhere Florida in-my-world-of-suburban/-ppl hometown like sold more copies of this http://canadaconnections.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Eminem-Presents-The-Re-Up-2006.jpgthan like anything in 2007 just because it had the word "Eminem" on the cover.
― nog it out with (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 28 December 2010 06:21 (thirteen years ago) link
Also this year:
•The Kanye is selling HORRIBLY for them•No one has ever asked for Yelawolf•They can't keep Haystak CDs in the store
So obviously somewhere kids are still buying gangsta rap on physical formats
― nog it out with (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 28 December 2010 06:22 (thirteen years ago) link
Waka sold ok for the first few weeks, btw
― nog it out with (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 28 December 2010 06:23 (thirteen years ago) link
yah but nowhere near the scale of how he would have sold in the late 90s
ive said this before but c-murder went platinum back then
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Tuesday, 28 December 2010 06:56 (thirteen years ago) link
and i dont think u are really contradicting me re: eminem, whiney
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Tuesday, 28 December 2010 06:58 (thirteen years ago) link
Haha ilxor I expected as much. Earnest radio rock-pop really is the final frontier.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 28 December 2010 07:15 (thirteen years ago) link
my girl basically just listens to old mexican italo sounding ishhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ud5CTzlQGWU
idgi but its pretty entertainingi think this stuff she remembers from when she was a kid
she doesnt really listen to new stuff
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Tuesday, 28 December 2010 07:36 (thirteen years ago) link
i shouldnt say thats all she listens to lol. but it gets a lot of play
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Tuesday, 28 December 2010 07:37 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, i def feel u re: ratios of selling. I'm just not buying this "whole generation that doesn't buy music." Considering a) Some kids are clearly buying Taylor Swift, b) Some kids are clearly buying Arcade Fire and c) Some kids are clearly buying gangsta rap. Like the kids who would be buying C-Murder tapes aren't just saying "oh well" and downloading Tum Tum or whatever, there's a whole bunch of SOMEBODY buying Teflon Don and Flockaveli and 8Ball/MJG and Boosie Bad Ass. I think the real disconnect is that there's less physical copies of rap records (meaning less artists being promoted by labels) than during it's 90s boom years
And whoever said the Korn thing is right. I don't think there's any reason to think rap has a bigger "download-to-purchase" ratio than any other youth-focused genre...
― nog it out with (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 28 December 2010 07:41 (thirteen years ago) link
ok, now i disagree
1) there really is a whole lot of people who dont buy music now, incl regular '12 cd people' tim was talking about above,
2) how do you know the age of ppl buying arcade fire -- arent they, like, NPR artists? my dad told me recently hes heard a lot of good music from brooklyn. i know we imagine some fantasyland hipster listening to stuff like that, but its really middle-america friendly and those are the people buying CDs.
3) gangster rap is still selling, dont get me wrong, im arguing that its been disporportionately hit (i mean, why do you think it is that there are fewer physical copies of rap records?? fewer people are buying them). I mean, why is it that jay-z, kanye and drake sell more records? because theyve crossed over to a yuppy late 20s - early 30s & even presidential demographic! i mean, obama saying he listens to jay-z isnt him being down with 'the kids,' its him being a middle-aged yuppie who isnt scared of rap but certainly isnt bumping 'money cash hoes'
4) flockaveli and boosie and 8ball and mjg (esp 8ball and mjg! how many copies do you think they sold this year??) are popular but their sales arent in line with their level of popularity regardless. yes, lots of people are saying "oh well" and downloading tum tum ... and flockaveli. its a tribute to how popular waka is that hes able to move any copies at all in this kind of an industry.
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Tuesday, 28 December 2010 07:47 (thirteen years ago) link
if you think 'the masses' havent figured out how to google .zips of the latest records u are tripping
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Tuesday, 28 December 2010 07:49 (thirteen years ago) link
(the masses of teenagers)
^^^i should also mention, even the 'young people' who do buy arcade fire, arent those extremely likely to be rockist-ish 'i prefer albums to be concrete statements of art'-types anyway? and therefore dont those fans have a distorting effect on the charts? its not like flockaveli fans have some obsequiousness to the album as a preferred format
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Tuesday, 28 December 2010 07:53 (thirteen years ago) link
The Offspring or The Red Hot Chili Peps or Metallica or the Doors...timeless cool things.
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 28 December 2010 07:54 (thirteen years ago) link
"And whoever said the Korn thing is right. I don't think there's any reason to think rap has a bigger "download-to-purchase" ratio than any other youth-focused genre..."
um, 1st off, i never said it did, i was (jesus can u read my posts dude?) as i said, using rap as an example because its the genre im most familiar with
2nd, i dont get how korn is a 'youth focused genre' at this point -- arent they more in the eminem vein anyway?
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Tuesday, 28 December 2010 07:55 (thirteen years ago) link
― The Reverend, Tuesday, December 28, 2010 1:54 AM (11 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i see what he means by this. this i kinda agree w/ -- eminem has joined RHCP as middlebrow middleamerican canonical whitebread alt-rock, descendents of led zeppelin & pink floyd & midwestern cornfield pot-smoking album-art populist 'classics,' to end up on classic rock stations in another decade
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Tuesday, 28 December 2010 07:56 (thirteen years ago) link
1. Yeah, I agree with this 100%. But you were making it sound like anyone J0rdan's age and under would look at a CD like it was a spider and throw it to the ground.
2. I mean fine, but then I'll just point to all the Bamboozle metalcore/emocore/scenecore bands that sell just under Arcade Fire numbers because they have high school/college-aged kids but NOT the NPR dads on their side. Like Underoath and shit debuts top 10 with like every record.
3. I mean, cheap/affordable mixtapes existed in the 90s too don't forget. I had kids buying Jam Pony Express DJ tapes from me at the record store all day long (I worked there from like 1996 to 1998). But I mean, the ppl buying Eightball/e-40/Mia X/pre-success Mystikal were not KIDS but these more grownup dudes. I mean, kids (if we're talking 14 to 18 here) generally fuck with pop music. When we were in high school, Bone Thugs and Puffy and Snoop and Goodie Mob was pop music. Now rap-centric pop music is Drake and BoB and Wiz Kaliflower and whatever. It's not that gangsta rap took a beating in sales, it's that gangsta rap isnt as popular as it was in the 90s among the young people demo that major labels target the most aggressively.
― nog it out with (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 28 December 2010 07:57 (thirteen years ago) link
but i dont feel like that contradicted by point about 30 year old stans buying his albums xp
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Tuesday, 28 December 2010 07:57 (thirteen years ago) link
xxp yeah, pretty much, but that still made my head spin
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 28 December 2010 07:58 (thirteen years ago) link
i don't know what T-shirts you wore in 9th grade rev
― nog it out with (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 28 December 2010 07:58 (thirteen years ago) link
It's not that gangsta rap took a beating in sales, it's that gangsta rap isnt as popular as it was in the 90s among the young people demo that major labels target the most aggressively.
― nog it out with (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, December 28, 2010 1:57 AM (14 seconds ago) Bookmark
yeah, im saying i dont agree that this is true
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Tuesday, 28 December 2010 07:59 (thirteen years ago) link
The Reverend stunting in his Marnie Stern T-shirt before she broke while everyone else was buying their first Nirvana and Metallica shirts
― nog it out with (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 28 December 2010 07:59 (thirteen years ago) link
"But I mean, the ppl buying Eightball/e-40/Mia X/pre-success Mystikal were not KIDS but these more grownup dudes."
my high school exp says otherwise (& before u say anything this isnt a statement about the race of the ppl i went to h.s. with)
rap fans were buying these cds, gajillions of midwest 16 year olds were the ones putting master p in platinum tank chains
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Tuesday, 28 December 2010 08:00 (thirteen years ago) link
i didn't wear band tees or listen to alt-rock so
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 28 December 2010 08:01 (thirteen years ago) link
xpost, Then why is Wiz Khalifa playing Bamboozle Festival and not Lloyd Banks?
― nog it out with (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 28 December 2010 08:01 (thirteen years ago) link
if i had a band tee in 9th grade it probably would have been like dilated peoples or something
black and white
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Tuesday, 28 December 2010 08:02 (thirteen years ago) link
master p was definitely popular in suburban seattle circa late 90s
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 28 December 2010 08:02 (thirteen years ago) link
i think a lot of ppl that buy arcade fire are like those political writers in the sense that they have much greater interests than music and want to really get into about 5-10 records a year & arcade fire are super critically acclaimed & visible on the indie rock scene -- it's not exactly chemically engineering
― BIG SANTA aka the sleighdriver (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 28 December 2010 08:02 (thirteen years ago) link
― nog it out with (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, December 28, 2010 2:01 AM (37 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
um, lil wayne is
im not denying that wiz khalifa is popular (although asking why a stoner rapper is popular with white kids, for real?? cypress hill??)
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Tuesday, 28 December 2010 08:03 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, master p was huge where i lived too! He was on MTV! Like Gucci Mane! Who sells lots of records! What;s your point?
― nog it out with (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 28 December 2010 08:03 (thirteen years ago) link
no one outside of new york has cared about lloyd banks in about 5 years?
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 28 December 2010 08:04 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/ThreadSelectedControllerServlet?boardid=77&threadid=77477
^^^i bet you the dudes in this thread had every 504 boyz cd single
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Tuesday, 28 December 2010 08:04 (thirteen years ago) link
(esp 8ball and mjg! how many copies do you think they sold this year??)
i wish someone had told me there was a new ball and g this year : /
― j., Tuesday, 28 December 2010 08:04 (thirteen years ago) link
and wiz has the most popular rap song in the country right now
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 28 December 2010 08:05 (thirteen years ago) link
Who sells lots of records! What;s your point?
― nog it out with (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, December 28, 2010 2:03 AM (52 seconds ago) Bookmark
im really confused by your point, frankly.
gucci still sells some records, but i think his sales have been hit harder by the current state of the industry than other artists that have older-skewing demos.
you're the one who started taking issue w/ what i was saying dude, not the other way around. Whats YOUR point
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Tuesday, 28 December 2010 08:05 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah what is whiney's point
― BIG SANTA aka the sleighdriver (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 28 December 2010 08:06 (thirteen years ago) link
many xposts
Like we def have ppl filling those Master P/Juvenile roles of MTV-gangstas, no doubt: Gucci, Wayne, Waka
I just don't think the kids in 2010 are as interested in who the new C-Murder is, and are busy checking out a lot of dudes in skinny jeans who talk about space weed instead of our delmar-rap tropes that were popular 15 years ago
― nog it out with (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 28 December 2010 08:06 (thirteen years ago) link
ok, but i think you could have picked a better example than fiddy's snow shoveler whose peak of popularity was 5 years ago
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 28 December 2010 08:08 (thirteen years ago) link
Whiney's point is that gangsta rap isn't being hit "disproportionately" in sales as deej says. It's decline in ubiquity has more to do with changing cultural trends than a nation of teenagers worshipping Dat Piff
― nog it out with (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 28 December 2010 08:09 (thirteen years ago) link
fiddy's snow shoveler
golf clap
― BIG SANTA aka the sleighdriver (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 28 December 2010 08:09 (thirteen years ago) link
― nog it out with (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, December 28, 2010 2:09 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
and you're basing this on ...
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Tuesday, 28 December 2010 08:13 (thirteen years ago) link
idk i think there are elements of gangster rap that lend it to there being a downtick in sales
but i also agree that ppl for some reason seem to care more about singing sweater models like kid cudi & drake than gangster rappers -- i'm not sure why that is tho
i guess you could argue that we don't have ground level rappers as good as cash money/no limit days, but i'm not sure i necessarily agree w/ that
― BIG SANTA aka the sleighdriver (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 28 December 2010 08:13 (thirteen years ago) link
i really think this is nonsense. cash money & no limit got as much shit from clueless critics than as gucci & waka do now if not moreso
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Tuesday, 28 December 2010 08:15 (thirteen years ago) link
― nog it out with (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, December 28, 2010 2:09 AM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark
like, why do you think this, other than you want to?
so... any new albums of the year lists we can talk about?
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 28 December 2010 08:16 (thirteen years ago) link
i think its fairly self-evident that gangster rap has been hard hit by downloading. there is no indie rock dat piff. dat piff is logging hundreds of thousands of downloads. this is wayyy way bigger than your street corner bootlegger
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Tuesday, 28 December 2010 08:16 (thirteen years ago) link
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, December 28, 2010 2:16 AM (25 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
this conversation is probably more interesting than whatever list is posted next
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Tuesday, 28 December 2010 08:17 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean whiney, gangster rap always had a weird relationship w/ crossover. but like ... master p never got to rap verses with mariah carey. neither did bun b. gucci hit that point by being hugely popular. soulja boy isnt selling a lot of albums but i bet you he has more mentions on world star hip hop than BoB does.
the crowds that these rappers you argue are 'more popular' are crossing over to are coldplay fans. people who still buy records. BoB, Lupe, Drake, Jay-z ... these guys are marketing to your average middle american pop fan
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Tuesday, 28 December 2010 08:20 (thirteen years ago) link
& i mean pop like, U2 audiences. not like, club going fans of 'big pimpin' who got that song up top 40
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Tuesday, 28 December 2010 08:21 (thirteen years ago) link
No, anything is more interesting than what you're talking about endlessly
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 28 December 2010 08:21 (thirteen years ago) link
and you're basing it on?
And you know, every time in the 90s someone like Trick Daddy or Mystikal became FAMOUS FAMOUS, it was after years of organic slow-grind. Which, yes, happens faster because of the internet, but still happens. And note the breakthrough internet-to-fame artists are like Drake, BoB, Wiz, Cudi, Nicki, etc. Gucci and Waka are in there too, but like gangsta exceptions that prove the soft-serve rule.
If anything the new No Limit/Cash Money hole of "popular gangsta ish that actually has sales" is all in grinding-in-their-own-world dudes like Tech N9ne and Joe Budden, who still crack iTunes charts all the live long day
there is no indie rock dat piff
http://www.daytrotter.com/ ???
― nog it out with (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 28 December 2010 08:21 (thirteen years ago) link
deej is right but it's really the nature of the form right? there's no datpiff of indie rock, but there's also no need for it, because indie rock doesn't operate on the mixtape model the way that rap does
likewise, there aren't indie labels in rap anymore -- there's no no limit or cash money that is monetizing the distribution of a high volume of non-high level releases like there used to be? like, now everyone just floods the net. anything that is put up for sale has to go thru the 8 million hoops that is the major label system. there's no XL or beggars banquet or w/e that puts out cds for the love of it & is willing to operate w/ a thin profit margin
rappers are expected to do all that by themselves, pretty much -- then they get plucked by a major
― BIG SANTA aka the sleighdriver (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 28 December 2010 08:22 (thirteen years ago) link
LOL @ the idea that joe budden is anywhere near as popular as tech n9ne.
dude, you really are disconnected here
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Tuesday, 28 December 2010 08:22 (thirteen years ago) link
I mean, I'll agree with J0rdan. deej and I are really just arguing over chicken vs egg
― nog it out with (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 28 December 2010 08:23 (thirteen years ago) link
"and you're basing it on?"
the exact same argument ive repeated in this thread already?
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Tuesday, 28 December 2010 08:23 (thirteen years ago) link
"I'M BASING IT ON MY OWN ARGUMENT... WHAT?!"
― nog it out with (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 28 December 2010 08:24 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean, im saying that this softbatch rap isnt actually as popular relative to gucci waka yo gotti soulja boy et al as it seems, that its overrepresented in album sales because the softbatch stuff is aiming at the market that still buys CDs, while the gangster/goon stuff is working thru the mixtape situation jordan described. that doesnt mean that the latter group dont sell CDs ... just that their sales have a huuuuge chunk taken out of them that softbatch dudes dont because theyre skipping that segment of the game entirely to worry about getting joe 12-CD the U2 / Coldplay / Kanye fan
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Tuesday, 28 December 2010 08:25 (thirteen years ago) link
― nog it out with (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, December 28, 2010 2:24 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
yes, an argument w/ stated explanations for my reasoning. you're basing the death of gangster rap (and the lol claim that joe budden is the cash money of 2010) on ... sales numbers, i assume?
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Tuesday, 28 December 2010 08:26 (thirteen years ago) link
like, it used to be c-murder could go platinum w/out trying to convince Train fans he was worthwhile. nowadays thats impossible.
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Tuesday, 28 December 2010 08:27 (thirteen years ago) link
we ruined another thread :(
― nog it out with (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 28 December 2010 08:28 (thirteen years ago) link
i dunno this seemed like an important / interesting argument to me & is def more interesting than another list celebrating our love of janelle monae, kanye and arcade fire so
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Tuesday, 28 December 2010 08:28 (thirteen years ago) link
http://assets1.pitchforkmedia.com/images/original/51884.rub-stel2.jpg
― nog it out with (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 28 December 2010 08:29 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean, think about it -- to use the cash money/no limit label, those were indie labels w/ a figurehead like baby/slim or master p that pretty much monetized the whole operation right? then eventually majors stepped in & got into business w/ them, but that was after a long history of DIY
there is none of that anymore -- think about brick squad -- there is '1017/brick squad records' but it's just an extended arm of warner bros -- if this was 1997 oj da juiceman could've put out an actual album for sale in stores already, because there would've been someone willingly bank rolling that -- right now, there is no way that asylum/warner bros is gonna do that unless somehow oj breaks another song onto the radio w/ no promo
― BIG SANTA aka the sleighdriver (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 28 December 2010 08:29 (thirteen years ago) link
― nog it out with (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 28 December 2010 08:30 (thirteen years ago) link
^^^otm.
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Tuesday, 28 December 2010 08:30 (thirteen years ago) link
if this was 1997, Frenchie would have two albums out before xmas
― nog it out with (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 28 December 2010 08:31 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean 'flockaveli' is the perfect example -- that was a mixtape that asylum 'made' into an album once they saw the buzz that waka was building up w/ "o let's do it"/"hard in da paint" -- there was no plans for him to put out an album before that
― BIG SANTA aka the sleighdriver (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 28 December 2010 08:32 (thirteen years ago) link
im glad dudes are still making records tho. that wooh da kid album is firealso whiney did you get the nht boyz yet. its got a bunch of old school throwback shit on it, but the rapping doesnt sound dated (lol)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYVnSJft7w4
not just this but interpolation of 'big mouth' as well
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Tuesday, 28 December 2010 08:34 (thirteen years ago) link
& asylum did nothing to help waka afaik aside from signing gucci
the flipside i think is that the "they make their money!" through shows argument actually works for rappers -- it doesn't pay for the spinto band or w/e to ditch around college towns for $10 a pop while everyone gets their records off what.cd cuz they gotta pay 5 guys & a crew & shit no one is gonna show up anyway
but if webbie shows up at a club in shreveport he's gonna get paid 20k and tons of ppl are gonna show up & he's gonna remain a rich dude even tho he soundscans at 1/5th of the arcade fire
― BIG SANTA aka the sleighdriver (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 28 December 2010 08:35 (thirteen years ago) link
the spinto band is a terrible example -- you should prob substitute Girls or something in there
― BIG SANTA aka the sleighdriver (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 28 December 2010 08:36 (thirteen years ago) link
a lot of the indie rap labels that did survive (Rhymesayers, Stones Throw, et al) def succeeded because they're working on that XL/Beggars aesthete/fetish tip.
Though Rap-A-Lot is still kicking, tho.
I def tried the nht boyz tape and wasn't feeling them so much. \O_o/
― nog it out with (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 28 December 2010 08:37 (thirteen years ago) link
i wish i could find the quote where waka says that he doesn't give a shit about anything but three shows a week at 25k a pop
― BIG SANTA aka the sleighdriver (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 28 December 2010 08:38 (thirteen years ago) link
― BIG SANTA aka the sleighdriver (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, December 28, 2010 2:35 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
as long as he keeps up a steady stream of hot material (this also worked for gucci / waka / boosie --> think about how many variations on a similar template boosie's made in his career!)
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Tuesday, 28 December 2010 08:38 (thirteen years ago) link
'hot' there meaning, doesnt fall off, continues to connect w/ audience
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Tuesday, 28 December 2010 08:39 (thirteen years ago) link
& that is of course why all majors now try to strongarm artists into signing 360 deals, because they want to get a percentage of show money
cuz where else would warner make significant money off of waka? digital downloads of "no hands"?
― BIG SANTA aka the sleighdriver (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 28 December 2010 08:40 (thirteen years ago) link
Plus a lot of rappers don't have a fugazi complex and don't mind charging too much for a ticket. I can't even begin to tell you the amount of rap shows I missed in college because I wasn't gonna pay $30 to see Smilez And Southstar or whatev
― nog it out with (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 28 December 2010 08:40 (thirteen years ago) link
artists in my last post should specifically read "rappers"
cuz where else would warner make significant money off of waka?
http://www.nodjzone.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/waka-mask.jpg
― nog it out with (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 28 December 2010 08:41 (thirteen years ago) link
^^^hahahaa ... otm
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Tuesday, 28 December 2010 08:41 (thirteen years ago) link
deej's point about "connection" is important too tho cuz that's one thing the mixtape model does help w/ -- if you're a rapper you can work a regional circuit w/ no album out that anyone cares about (i.e. any boosie album after 'bad azz') because you can put out as much music as you want & maintain that connection so ppl will show up to see you play a club even if they're not gonna buy the album that the label puts out on dec 15
― BIG SANTA aka the sleighdriver (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 28 December 2010 08:42 (thirteen years ago) link
lol whiney
if it was 1997 young dro would've put out an album in each of the last two years instead of riding yung LA's fruity unicorn in the hopes that his label will put out an album
― BIG SANTA aka the sleighdriver (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 28 December 2010 08:46 (thirteen years ago) link
If young people are no longer buying albums, why do Justin Bieber and Taylor Swift each have two of the top 10 best-selling records of 2010? (I don't buy Taylor as a total anomaly.) Who's buying the hit Glee soundtracks, the Twilight soundtracks, the NOW compilations? Disney pop like Selena Gomez and Miley Cyrus still sells well, too, IIRC.
The way I've tried to interpret this is that this is either parents buying albums for their kids, or else kids who a) don't have their own computers or b) aren't allowed to download illegally, or c) are too young to figure it out. Which strikes me as a not-insubstantial population.
― Zsa Zsa Gay Bar (jaymc), Tuesday, 28 December 2010 14:41 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah i mean those all seem like reasonable explanations. not sure that argues against the idea that some genres / styles would be harder hit than others, having a distorting effect on the overall accuracy of charts
i mean the issue i have w/ whiney's argument is that it feels like an attempt to marginalize rap's primary performers, to reorient the genre around a bunch of inoffensive performers who dont care about rapping any more & just worry about which fake chris martin will best help them sell their next single.
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Tuesday, 28 December 2010 14:49 (thirteen years ago) link
Anyway, back to the "poster's wives" theme - http://batgirlbob.tumblr.com/post/2401975659/albums-of-the-year
― Captain Ostensible (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 28 December 2010 15:20 (thirteen years ago) link
Thats a good list. Glad to see some love for Warpaint and the Jenny & Johnny record.
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 28 December 2010 15:24 (thirteen years ago) link
"The way I've tried to interpret this is that this is either parents buying albums for their kids, or else kids who a) don't have their own computers or b) aren't allowed to download illegally, or c) are too young to figure it out. Which strikes me as a not-insubstantial population."
rilly probably just millions of bored kids with their momz shopping at walmart or the mall and momz buys them a cd to get them to shut up about how bored they are. and CDs are like five bucks on sale next to the register with the gum and copies of us weekly.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 28 December 2010 15:53 (thirteen years ago) link
good on her! more good records than dull, which is more than we can say for a lot of these lists
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Tuesday, 28 December 2010 16:01 (thirteen years ago) link
Whiney/deej/J0rdan back and forth i skimmed is the most interesting thing on this thread
― markers, Tuesday, 28 December 2010 22:34 (thirteen years ago) link
so so rong
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Tuesday, 28 December 2010 23:59 (thirteen years ago) link
ilxor just wants to sit here and read the lists of everyone's spouses
― BIG SANTA aka the sleighdriver (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 29 December 2010 00:09 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah but this is not the "Is Soulja Boy more popular than his dire Soundscan figure indicate?" thread.
And BTW my spouse's favorite 2010 album is the Crazy Heart OST.
― President Keyes, Wednesday, 29 December 2010 00:21 (thirteen years ago) link
figures
you're right, it was a discussion that really interfered with all of the magazine end of year lists that have been posted in the last 48 hours
― BIG SANTA aka the sleighdriver (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 29 December 2010 00:37 (thirteen years ago) link
― scott seward, Tuesday, December 28, 2010 7:53 AM (8 hours ago) Bookmark
may also be that some populations of young listeners are themselves more likely to buy CD than download music for free through whatever channels. lot of factors could figure in: wealth, culture, personal taste, etc.
― contenderizer, Wednesday, 29 December 2010 00:50 (thirteen years ago) link
plus yeah, the whiney/deej/j0rdan biz is way more interesting than anything else that's gone on in this thread in the last couple days.
deej/j0rdan/whiney swag-off sesh
― nog it out with (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 29 December 2010 00:53 (thirteen years ago) link
DJ Magazine Top 50 Albums1. Four Tet, There Is Love in You (Domino)2. Altered Natives, Tenement Yard Vol. 1 (Eye4Eye)3. Caribou, Swim (Domino)4. Breakage, Foundation (Digital Soundboy)5. Catz N' Dogz, Escape From Zoo (Mothership)6. Mount Kimbie, Crooks and Lovers (Hotflush)7. Shit Robot, From the Cradle to the Rave (DFA)8. Bonobo, Black Sands (Ninja Tune)9. Phonique, Kissing Stranger (Dessous)10. Maddslinky, Make a Change (Tru Thoughts)
11. Scuba, Triangulation (Hotflush)12. Lone, Ecstasy and Friends (Werk)13. Butch, Eyes Wide Open (Bouq)14. Hot Toddy, Late Night Boogie (Smoke-N-Mirrors)15. Fritz Kalkbrenner, Here Today, Gone Tomorrow (Suol)16. Clouds, Hökarängen Space Program (Exceptional)17. Javelin, Mo Mas (Luaka Bop)18. Quantic, Flowering Inferno (Tru Thoughts)19. !!!, Strange Weather, Isn't It? (Warp)20. Artificial Intelligence, Stand Alone (V)
21. Flying Lotus, Cosmogramma (Warp)22. Ikonika, Contact, Love, Want, Have (Hyperdub)23. Pursuit Grooves, Foxtrot Mannerisms (Tectonic)24. Washed Out, Life of Leisure (Mexican Summer)25. Neon Indian, Psychic Chasms (RCRD LBL)26. Hot Chip, One Life Stand (EMI)27. Virgo (Rush Hour)28. Skream, Outside the Box (Tempa)29. Wolf + Lamb, Love Someone (Wolf + Lamb)30. Gold Panda, Lucky Shiner (Notown)
31. Chilly Gonzalez, Ivory Tower (Schmooze/Gentle Throat)32. Tony Lionni, As One (Freerange)33. Teengirl Fantasy, 7am (Merok)34. The Glimmers, Whomp That Sucker (Gomma)35. Oriol, Night and Day (Planet Mu)36. Count & Sinden, Mega Mega Mega (Domino)37. Sleigh Bells, Treats (Mom + Pop)38. Jimmy Edgar, XXXX (!K7)39. Matthew Dear, Black City (Ghostly International)40. Toro Y Moi, Causers of This (Carpark)
― slow a cat sample down 800 percent (Matos W.K.), Wednesday, 29 December 2010 01:21 (thirteen years ago) link
That should be Top 40, not 50, obv.
DJ Magazine Top 40 Mixes1. Juan MacLean, DJ Kicks (!K7)2. Brownswood Electric Vol. 1 (Brownswood Electric)3. 5 Years of Dirtybird (Dirtybird)4. Tensnake, In the House (Defected)5. Ninja Tune XX (Ninja Tune)6. Selected Labels Works Vol. 2 (Permanent Vacation)7. Scuba, Sub:Stance (Ostgut Ton)8. Commix, Re:Call to Mind Remixes (Metalheadz)9. Dave DK, Retake One (Moodmusic)10. Friendly Fires, Bugged Out! Presents Suck My Deck (New State)
11. Five Years of Made to Play (Made to Play)12. Rebel Rave (Crosstown Rebels)13. Optimo, Fabric 52 (Fabric)14. International Deejay Gigolos Twelve (Gigolo)15. Leo Zero, Disconnect (Strut)16. Danny Krivit, Edits by Mr. K: Music of the Earth (Strut)17. Gilles Peterson Presents Worldwide (BBE)18. Kode 9, DJ Kicks (!K7)19. Brackles, Songs for Endless Cities (!K7)20. Riddim Box (Soul Jazz)
21. I Love Funky (Rinse)22. Tom Moulton, Philly Regrooved (Harmless)23. dOP, Watergate 06 (Watergate)24. Elevator Music (Fabric)25. Rick Wilhite, Vibes New & Rare Music (Rush Hour)26. Ten Years of Moon Harbour (Moon Harbour)27. Kitsune 10 (Kitsune)28. The Minimal Wave Tapes Volume One (Stones Throw)29. Lost My Dog: 5 Years and Still Looking (Lost My Dog)30. John Digweed, Structures (Bedrock)
31. Future Balearica (Needwant)32. Ben Klock, Berghain 04 (Ostgut Ton)33. Bear in Heaven, Beast Rest Fourth Mouth: Remixed (Hometapes/Dreamboat)34. Shaping Elements: Poker Flat Volume 8 (Poker Flat)35. Sound Pelligrino (Scion AV/Sound Pelligrino)36. Worth the Weight: Bristol Dubstep Classics (Punch Drunk)37. Fuck Dance Let's Art (!K7)38. Valeu: Cleebrating 5 Years of Man Recordings (Man)39. Lee Jones, Watergate 07 (Watergate)40. Jumpin' (Harmless)
― slow a cat sample down 800 percent (Matos W.K.), Wednesday, 29 December 2010 01:29 (thirteen years ago) link
hahaha :x
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Wednesday, 29 December 2010 01:36 (thirteen years ago) link
finally,
DJ Magazine Top 40 12"s1. James Blake, "CMYK" (R&S)2. Tensnake, "Coma Cat" (Permanent Vacation)3. Butch, "No Worries" (Cecile)4. Lee Foss, "U Got Me" (Hot Creations)5. Ramadanman & Midland, "Your Words Matter" (Aus)6. Art Department, "Without You" (Crosstown Rebels)7. Soul Clap, "Extravaganza" (Wolf + Lamb Black)8. Justin Martin & Ardalan, "Mr. Spock" (Dirtybird)9. Deadboy, "If U Want" (Numbers)10. Midnight Magic, "Beam Me Up (Jacques Reneault Remix)" (Permanent Vacation)
11. Discreet Unit, "Down" (Prime Numbers)12. Caribou, "Sun" (City Slang)13. Nicolas Jaar, "A Time For Us" (Wolf + Lamb)14. Breach, "Fatherless" (PTN)15. Roska, "Squark" (Rinse)16. Lone, "Pineapple Crush" (Magic Wire)17. Lovebirds, "My Man" (Freerange)18. Julio Bashmore, "Batak Groove" (Soul Motion)19. Redlight, "Stupid" (Digital Soundboy)20. Four Tet, "Angel Echoes" (Domino)
21. Addison Groove, "Footcrab" (Swamp 81)22. Tim Green, "Old Sunshine" (Get Physical)23. Kink, "Bitter Sweet" (Liebe*Detail)24. Jesse Rose, "You Know It" (Made to Play)25. The Count & Sinden, "After Dark" (Domino)26. Ill Blu, "Bellion" (Hyperdub)27. AFMB, "Back Up Days" (Drumpoet)28. Jamie Jones, "Ruckus" (Hot Creations)29. T. Williams, "Heartbeat (Mosca Remix)" (Local Action)30. Zev, "Don't Break It (Kenny Glasgow & Jonny White Remix)" (Wolf + Lamb)
31. Cosmin TRG, "Liebe Suende" (Rush Hour)32. Fritz Zander, "For Your Love" (Suol)33. Axel Boman, "Purple Drank" (Pampa)34. FaltyDL, "Phreqaflex" (Planet Mu)35. Dubbel Dutch, "Throwback" (Palms Out Sounds)36. Deniz Kurtel, "Yeah (Jamie Jones Shower Aquafunk Mix)" (Crosstown Rebels)37. Pariah, "Prism" (R&S)38. Munk, "La Musica (Azari & III Remix)" (Gomma)39. Doc Daneeka, "Hold On" (PTN)40. Ramadanman, "Work Them" (Swamp 81)
― slow a cat sample down 800 percent (Matos W.K.), Wednesday, 29 December 2010 01:37 (thirteen years ago) link
James Blake is so bad, though
― nog it out with (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 29 December 2010 01:45 (thirteen years ago) link
― BIG SANTA aka the sleighdriver (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, December 28, 2010 7:37 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark
C'mon allow a low level poster his little zings against the big boys.
― President Keyes, Wednesday, 29 December 2010 01:49 (thirteen years ago) link
mommy wow! i like big boi now
― markers, Wednesday, 29 December 2010 03:11 (thirteen years ago) link
oughtta be a law...
― contenderizer, Wednesday, 29 December 2010 03:18 (thirteen years ago) link
anyway, problem with the whiney/deej argument above is that it's irresolvable. tend to side with deej, but whiney's got a point in that you can't necessarily equate interest (as represented by downloads, discussion, etc.) with potential purchases. sales charts have never measured what people like or want to listen to, only what they're actually willing to pay money for, and that changes with time.
makes me think of the way grunge supposedly killed hair metal. i'm sure that millions of poison and motley crue fans continued to listen to their favorite poison and motley crue albums, but they were no longer in step with the youth culture they'd once represented. they'd aged out or otherwise been isolated by a cultural shift. if all those fans had kept on buying, the artists in question wouldn't have seen their careers drop off so precipitously. but they didn't, and so the end came suddenly. point is that the interest was probably still there, at least in some circles, but the willingness to buy had evaporated.
not saying that the situations are equivalent, only that it's hard to say what people would be buying, if they were buying, when they aren't.
― contenderizer, Wednesday, 29 December 2010 03:37 (thirteen years ago) link
I've been reading a good book called Record Store Days and it goes into a lot of interesting detail about how Soundscan changed the charts in 1991. It touches on a lot of these same issues of "how to you find out what's actually popular" - before Soundscan the majors were gaming the charts, afterwards, it was discovered that indies had a 20% market share that hadn't previously been accounted for. I'm pretty sure some aggregator algorithm will come along in the next few years that will quantify more of the ephemeral stuff like Youtube views into all-encompassing social media charts that will at least give industry & artists bragging rights (if not the sales of yore).
― sleeve, Wednesday, 29 December 2010 03:45 (thirteen years ago) link
how DO you find out etc.
I gotta admit, this kinda doesn't make sense to me...why would the hair metal diehards stop dropping cash on albums just bcz MTV started playing Nirvana videos???
― Ned Rag & the Evil Olive Gardens (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 29 December 2010 03:56 (thirteen years ago) link
i've gotten emails from this site forever and i've never actually looked at it. but they have a top 50 and you guys like those kinda things:
http://blurt-online.com/features/view/782/#
― scott seward, Wednesday, 29 December 2010 04:11 (thirteen years ago) link
and blurt writers weigh in!
http://blurt-online.com/features/view/780#
is blurt a magazine? or just a webpage. i've never seen it if its a magazine. fred mills used to edit magnet, no? or write for them. does ilxors write for blurt?
― scott seward, Wednesday, 29 December 2010 04:15 (thirteen years ago) link
BY THE BLURT CRÜE
As part of our year-end wrap-up, we first yield the podium to the staffers and writers and their personal picks for 2010. We think we have a pretty diverse and lively crew here at the BLURT ward (it helps that we ply them hourly with tequila and Oxycontin), and their selections reflect a true music aficionado's eclectic ideals. Guarantee: all dialogue reported verbatim. (Go here for Part 2 of the Writers' lists.)
LEE ZIMMERMAN
MIAMI, FL
BLURT CONTRIBUTING EDITOR
Top 10 New Releases
Mumford & Sons - Sigh No More (Glassnote)
― Rockcrit from the Tuoms (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 29 December 2010 04:17 (thirteen years ago) link
Worst New ArtistLady Gaga - or should we say, Lady Gag Gag. First of all, m'lady, your name strikes three blows against you before we even proceed to the music. Secondly, The make-up thing and silly props idea was done to death way before you ever came along - by the likes of David Bowie, Madonna, Elton John and even Cher. Give it up - you already seem redundant.
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Wednesday, 29 December 2010 04:18 (thirteen years ago) link
i dig some of the blurt writer top tens:
Len Price 3 - Pictures (Wicked Cool)
Christine Ohlman and Rebel Montez - The Deep End (Horizon)
The Jim Jones Revue - Burning Your House Down (Pias)
The 88 - The 88 (88 Records)
The Grip Weeds - Strange Change Machine (Rainbow Quartz)
The Mother Truckers - Van Tour (World Records)
The Sights - Most of What Follows Is True (Alive)
Edward O'Connell - Our Little Secret (Oaf Ramp)
The Greenhornes - Four Stars (Warner Brothers)
Farrah - Farrah (LoJinx)
― scott seward, Wednesday, 29 December 2010 04:19 (thirteen years ago) link
not that i've heard any of those albums...
terry adams is number one! that's pretty hardcore:
MARY LEARY
SAN DIEGO, CA
www.sdentertainer.com/author/mleary/
Terry Adams Rock ‘n' Roll Quartet - Crazy 8's (Clang!)
Robert Wyatt - For the Ghosts Within (Domino)
Lake Street Dive - Lake Street Dive (Signature Sounds)
White Noise Sound - White Noise Sound (Alive Records)
Jaill - That's How We Burn (SubPop)
Kelley Stoltz - To Dreamers (Sub Pop)
Surfer Blood - Astro Coast (Kanine Records)
Dead Confederate - Sugar - (Old Flame)
Unnatural Helpers - Cracked Love and Other Drugs (Hardly Art)
Ty Segall - Help (Goner Records)
― scott seward, Wednesday, 29 December 2010 04:20 (thirteen years ago) link
another gaslight anthem mention at least
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 29 December 2010 04:21 (thirteen years ago) link
this seems to be quite a biggy with the blurt crowd:
Justin Townes Earle - Harlem River Blues (Bloodshot Records)
― scott seward, Wednesday, 29 December 2010 04:22 (thirteen years ago) link
seriously some of these top tens are friggin' cool in some alternate universe way:
The Riot Before (Paper + Plastick)
Bad Religion - The Dissent of Man (Epitaph)
The Posies - Blood/Candy (Ryko)
Jesse Malin - Love it to Life (SideOneDummy)
Off With Their Heads - In Desolation (Epitaph)
The Successful Failures - Three Nights (FDR)
Moneybrother - Real Control (Bladen County)
Ike Reilly - Hard Luck Stories (Rock Ridge)
Flogging Molly - Live at the Greek Theatre (SideOneDummy)
David Ford -Let the Hard Times Roll (Original Signal)
― scott seward, Wednesday, 29 December 2010 04:23 (thirteen years ago) link
the posies! who knew??
― scott seward, Wednesday, 29 December 2010 04:24 (thirteen years ago) link
why would the hair metal diehards stop dropping cash on albums just bcz MTV started playing Nirvana videos???
well, diehards are a tiny portion of the overall buying public. and it's clear that there was a generational shift away from hair metal among pop/rock fans in general. i don't deny that, and that's the sense in which this is a poor analog for what whiney & deej were talking about. but maybe another part of the story is that many hair metal fans just got older, started raising families, stopped participating in a social culture that encouraged the purchase of sleazy party metal albums. it's like not the crue were well equipped to cater to the aging of their existing fanbase.
i don't know that this meant that no one was interested in listening to motley crue anymore. maybe yes, maybe no. what we do know is that no one was interested in paying money out of pocket for new motley crue albums. similar, but not exactly the same thing. they continued to tour profitably for quite some time, iirc.
― contenderizer, Wednesday, 29 December 2010 04:26 (thirteen years ago) link
That Mother Truckers album is pretty good, Scott! It was #109 on my year-end list. (I just checked the thread you started, to make sure.) I liked their previous two albums too, and they are loads of fun live. (Saw them once; they're in Austin.)
Also, that Jimmy Edgar album, #38 on the DJ Magazine list that Matos posted, made my "honorable mentions" list below my Top 150. So I am hip with both the Blurt and DJ Magazine crowd, ha! (I actually used to do a column for Blurt, a few years ago. But then they disappeared, and then came back to life. But I didn't. Or something like that.)
― xhuxk, Wednesday, 29 December 2010 04:31 (thirteen years ago) link
Also, fwiw, plenty of people who used to buy old Bon Jovi albums are still spending money on new Bon Jovi albums (not to mention albums by various Nashville country acts who sound like hair metal bands used to, a few of which have even been known to cover old hair metal songs.)
― xhuxk, Wednesday, 29 December 2010 04:35 (thirteen years ago) link
how long did you do a column for blurt????? did i read any of them? maybe you linked to some. i am easily confused by the internet.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 29 December 2010 04:37 (thirteen years ago) link
Lady Gaga... or should we say, Lady Gag Gag.
http://kimberlyburton.typepad.com/memoirs_of_a_redhead/images/2007/12/15/ist2_4358818_nothing_but_net.jpg
― nog it out with (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 29 December 2010 04:38 (thirteen years ago) link
xp Me too. Actually, I did two columns -- one with brief reviews of whatever random new albums I liked that I couldn't land reviews of anywhere else, and one on old indie 7-inches that were in my collection, in alphabetical order. (I even wrote about an old Bunny Brains 45 once!) But I'm pretty sure only the first one ran in the actual magazine; the singles one was only on line.
I'm pretty sure they wouldn't have me anymore, though, seeing how I like Ke$ha so much.
― xhuxk, Wednesday, 29 December 2010 04:41 (thirteen years ago) link
Ke$ha? more liek Ke$hit
― markers, Wednesday, 29 December 2010 04:42 (thirteen years ago) link
"like"
you need to start listening to more posies albums. and go to my morning jacket concerts.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 29 December 2010 04:44 (thirteen years ago) link
Worst New ArtistI avoid commercial music like the plague, to avoid hearing any. My credo for decades has been, ‘the best music is always in the underground.'
~~~hmmmmm~~~ do i really care what else this guy has to say? sorry, NO
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Wednesday, 29 December 2010 05:03 (thirteen years ago) link
"I avoid commercial music like the plague, to avoid hearing any."
great sentence
― markers, Wednesday, 29 December 2010 05:05 (thirteen years ago) link
that sentence reads like something off of P. Scaruffi's website after the Google Translate...
― Ned Rag & the Evil Olive Gardens (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 29 December 2010 05:06 (thirteen years ago) link
My credo for decades has been, ‘the best music is always in the underground.'
Me too! In fact, I am listening to a Skin Yard album from 1986 right this second. Grunge will kill hair metal yet, mark my words.
― xhuxk, Wednesday, 29 December 2010 05:10 (thirteen years ago) link
Paul Blurt: Mall-Punk Cop
― nog it out with (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 29 December 2010 05:12 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dW55n1JLBUQ&feature=related
― Ned Rag & the Evil Olive Gardens (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 29 December 2010 05:20 (thirteen years ago) link
deej? whiney? any more relevant topics you guys wanna beef about?
― Ned Rag & the Evil Olive Gardens (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 29 December 2010 05:25 (thirteen years ago) link
It's the "iStock Photo" that makes it.
― slow a cat sample down 800 percent (Matos W.K.), Wednesday, 29 December 2010 05:33 (thirteen years ago) link
i dig the underground too. this is KILLING me tonight:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhiRzu8QTkk&feature=related
― scott seward, Wednesday, 29 December 2010 05:36 (thirteen years ago) link
and this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vs8fOfwVqyk&feature=related
― scott seward, Wednesday, 29 December 2010 05:50 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CLbkq5UIB4
― scott seward, Wednesday, 29 December 2010 05:52 (thirteen years ago) link
but carry on. sorry.
Silent Ballet is really dragging out their countdown 'til the last minute this year. They're only to 51 of 100! As usual there's at least a couple dozen I haven't heard, and I'm too spent to go digging for them for a couple weeks. Who knew J.G. Thirlwell put out an album? Looks like another good list, even if Ufomammut is at 71. http://www.thesilentballet.com/tsbt/2010/100_91.html
― Fastnbulbous, Wednesday, 29 December 2010 06:23 (thirteen years ago) link
lol @ me being two days out on this but ~rmde~ (omg! omg!) @ deej arguing that gangsta rap is "as popular as ever". hmmmmmmm
― Hyrule's (Lamp), Wednesday, 29 December 2010 06:42 (thirteen years ago) link
i wld totally marry her
― Hyrule's (Lamp), Wednesday, 29 December 2010 06:45 (thirteen years ago) link
oh lol
― Hyrule's (Lamp), Wednesday, December 29, 2010 12:42 AM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
why is that 'lol' and the argument is from earlier today
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Wednesday, 29 December 2010 06:52 (thirteen years ago) link
oh sorry misread, why are you *rmde* at that? i think i made a pretty solid case here that sales arent reflective of the popularity of the genre as a whole
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Wednesday, 29 December 2010 06:54 (thirteen years ago) link
or are you just trolling per usual
i mean i basically think the music critic line on rappers 'finally' getting over the 'staid' template of gangster rap is pretty much one of the most tiresome conceits of writing from writers who basically fuck with only the 1st rap artist they hear. afaik nonviolent drug offenses still impact an overwhelmingly huge number of black men & this is basically what 'gangster rap' is and has been about. yuppie rap fans trying to turn the genre into a 'post-gangster' 'art form' are imo basically doing the musical equivelent of destroying public housing, watching the poor scatter & then acting like anything has been 'fixed'
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Wednesday, 29 December 2010 06:59 (thirteen years ago) link
http://i40.tinypic.com/1zqzvjt.jpg
― BIG SANTA aka the sleighdriver (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 29 December 2010 07:03 (thirteen years ago) link
fleeing children otm
― contenderizer, Wednesday, 29 December 2010 07:27 (thirteen years ago) link
http://premiumplusmagazine.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/drake-so-far-gone-retail-front1.jpg
― nog it out with (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 29 December 2010 07:40 (thirteen years ago) link
hahahahaha
― markers, Wednesday, 29 December 2010 07:52 (thirteen years ago) link
"yuppie rap fans"
1 result (0.09 seconds)
guess the 1 result ; )
― buzza, Wednesday, 29 December 2010 08:14 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsaW5wLHY64
― President Keyes, Wednesday, 29 December 2010 12:52 (thirteen years ago) link
deej i think there's obviously some merit to what you're saying, but you're still overstating your case. fact is gangsta rap was more or less the norm, or one of them, in mainstream rap 10-15 years ago, and the majority of the biggest stars qualified in one sense or another, or were kind of positioned as a much cleaner alternative (Will Smith, Nelly, etc.). now most of the biggest mainstream rappers are either as non-gangsta as possible (Kanye, Drake) or are kind of apologetic reformed ex-gangsta rappers like Jay-Z. only Lil Wayne kinda sorta still flaunts that angle of his music, but he's not nearly as associated w/ it as 50 Cent. a lot of minor and mid-level stars w/ a lot of gangsta content in their music, but nobody near that peak 50/Snoop level no matter how you measure their popularity.
― hann am0n tana (some dude), Wednesday, 29 December 2010 13:02 (thirteen years ago) link
eMusic posted their editorial top 80 albums, and the member-voted top 20 albums:
http://www.emusic.com/features/hub/best2010/index.htmlhttp://www.emusic.com/features/hub/memberspoll_2010/index.html
their lists are always interesting, in part because they're limited to what's available on the site
― hann am0n tana (some dude), Wednesday, 29 December 2010 13:08 (thirteen years ago) link
oh for the love of god
And while Krell can't match R. Kelly's silky tenor, his reverb-laden coos are nearly as sensual
― BIG SANTA aka the sleighdriver (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 29 December 2010 13:26 (thirteen years ago) link
hahaha omg NO
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Wednesday, 29 December 2010 15:16 (thirteen years ago) link
in other news i listened to the warpaint album this morning and "reverb-laden coos" is an apt summary (though i must say, it sounds nice)
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Wednesday, 29 December 2010 15:17 (thirteen years ago) link
Spin - The 20 Best Songs of 2010
20 > Les Savy Fav "Let's Get Out of Here"19 > Yeasayer "Ambling Alp"18 > Tame Impala "Solitude Is Bliss"17 > The Black Keys "Tighten Up"16 > Das Racist "hahahaha jk?"15 > Tracey Thorn "Hormones"14 > Chiddy Bang "Opposite of Adults"13 > Superchunk "Digging for Something"12 > The-Dream "Make Up Bag"11 > Dom "Living in America"10 > Gucci Mane "Lemonade"09 > Janelle Monae "Tightrope"08 > Robyn "Cry When You Get Older"07 > Kanye West "Runaway"06 > Deerhunter "Helicopter"05 > Neil Young "Hitchhiker"04 > LCD Soundsystem "All I Want"03 > Kanye West "Power"02 > Arcade Fire "Ready to Start"01 > Cee-Lo Green "Fuck You"
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Wednesday, 29 December 2010 15:28 (thirteen years ago) link
con's
arcade fire #2 zzzzzzkanye "runaway" top ten zzzzzzz, so overratedno big boi in top 20
pro's
cee-lo #1 -- glad to see spin got this right!kanye "power" ranked over "runaway"robyn "cry when you get older" -- good choice, stunning trackgucci #10 -- even if it's a "token" rap choice, this song is awesomethe-dream at #12 -- surprising track choice#13 to #20 spots don't really look like any other tracks list this year, v. refreshing
funniest blurb
The Black Keys "Tighten Up" On the Keys' crossover pop-soul stroll, Dan Auerbach's grainy, nuanced croon and unassuming, scene-setting guitar show precisely why John Mayer sucks.
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Wednesday, 29 December 2010 15:31 (thirteen years ago) link
― hann am0n tana (some dude), Wednesday, 29 December 2010 13:02 (2 hours ago) Permalink
yeah i agree w/ this but thats not what im criticizing when i suggest whiney's argument was marginalizing this stuff, and that i think this kind of rap is heavily hit by downloads to a greater degree than BoB/Lupe "superstar" type shit
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Wednesday, 29 December 2010 15:40 (thirteen years ago) link
also yeesh jordan & whiney u dudes are overreacting what im saying is really not that controversial is it??
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Wednesday, 29 December 2010 16:04 (thirteen years ago) link
top 50 albums by The Needle Drop (aka, one of YouTube's biggest music reviewing personalities)
http://www.theneedledrop.com/albumslist2010.jpg
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Wednesday, 29 December 2010 17:08 (thirteen years ago) link
oh sorry misread, why are you *rmde* at that?
for basically the reasons some dude mentions - it seemed like you were acting as if gangster were still the predominant idiom within rap music instead of one strain among many. i mean its cool if you think it *should be* but it seems clear to even a casual observer that it simply isnt & that while gangster rap may well be fairly popular its no longer culturally dominant (which goes so far beyond show attendance or album sales or downloads anyway) in the way that it seemed to be a decade and a half ago.
― Hyrule's (Lamp), Wednesday, 29 December 2010 17:21 (thirteen years ago) link
yah i think there has been *some change* -- what i was arguing itt was that the change has been overstated to a large degree, that gangster rap (trap rap / crack rap / whatever its being called) is still a musically potent scene & that sales numbers are a tip of the iceberd kind of deal. that the audience for that style is going to be more effected by internet DL's than starbucks-safe BOB type 'rap'.
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Wednesday, 29 December 2010 17:28 (thirteen years ago) link
gorillaz? for realz? in 2010? the blur dude? really? ???
(????)
― scott seward, Wednesday, 29 December 2010 17:30 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't think you're going to hear BOB in Starbucks until he gets Emmylou Harris to sing a hook.
― President Keyes, Wednesday, 29 December 2010 17:32 (thirteen years ago) link
i would start fucking w/ BOB if he did that tbh
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Wednesday, 29 December 2010 17:54 (thirteen years ago) link
afaik nonviolent drug offenses still impact an overwhelmingly huge number of black men & this is basically what 'gangster rap' is and has been about. yuppie rap fans trying to turn the genre into a 'post-gangster' 'art form' are imo basically doing the musical equivelent of destroying public housing, watching the poor scatter & then acting like anything has been 'fixed'
So there were non-violent drug offenses before Schoolly-D and NWA and Getto Boys, etc. but the rapping was different. Not to get all Bill Cosby, but it seems that once gangsta got started, it has gotten institutionalized lyric-wise over the years, although there are obviously differences (lyrically and musically and due to the internet, music-making computer tools, etc. and sociological changes due to welfare reform, recession, drug wars, etc.)
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 29 December 2010 18:49 (thirteen years ago) link
im certainly not arguing that all gangster rap is original or whatever but i would contend that the vast majority of innovation in terms of rapping style came from this world w/ a few exceptions -- mf doom comes to mind. obvi a bunch of early 90s dudes -- guru (although he was pretty street rap-oriented) q tip de la etc.
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Wednesday, 29 December 2010 18:54 (thirteen years ago) link
this division between 'street rap' & not is pretty artificial too obviously
drake & wiz khalifa are the first stars who really seem to break w/ that in their music -- you can say wayne & jay-z did it first in the way their music's been received though too.
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Wednesday, 29 December 2010 18:55 (thirteen years ago) link
i do kind of wonder, tho, to what degree the internet's impact on the industry has prevented gangster rap from taking a central place in rap culture the way it did circa g-unit & earlier
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Wednesday, 29 December 2010 18:56 (thirteen years ago) link
^^^^thinking aloud btw & not trying to state some thesis-on-rap here
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Wednesday, 29 December 2010 18:57 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm hearing ya, skot...that album has been conspicuous in it presence in a huge majority of these list, and it has like four good songs in it tops...
i'll be fucking amazed if the only year-end list I readwith both Erykah Badu and The Fall in it is my own; must be something wrong with me...
― Ned Rag & the Evil Olive Gardens (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 29 December 2010 19:29 (thirteen years ago) link
just that you like shitty music
― Hyrule's (Lamp), Wednesday, 29 December 2010 19:30 (thirteen years ago) link
thx 4 dat luv u
― Ned Rag & the Evil Olive Gardens (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 29 December 2010 19:31 (thirteen years ago) link
Ha. Badu and the Fall are on my list too.
The Gorillaz are showing up more on Brit EOY lists, but some elsewhere as well. IMHO the album reads better on paper(special guests Bobby Womack, Mick Jones, Paul Simenon)than it sounds.
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 29 December 2010 21:40 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah plus Lou Reed & MES-->perfect for the rock critic who never listens to the music s/he loves...
― Ned Rag & the Evil Olive Gardens (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 29 December 2010 21:42 (thirteen years ago) link
I mean, Stylo still sounds good, but there's quite a bit of dead space on that album. A lot of the blurbs I've read tend to fixate on Snoop Dogg who only makes an appearance on the 2nd track; not a good sign.
― Ned Rag & the Evil Olive Gardens (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 29 December 2010 21:49 (thirteen years ago) link
*a lot = maybe 2...
― Ned Rag & the Evil Olive Gardens (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 29 December 2010 21:52 (thirteen years ago) link
I do think I should add to what we were discussing above, that I think there's an element of self-fulfilling prophecy to the 'gangster rap is no longer big' thing anyway ... that its sales that drew so much attention to that phenomenon for so long anyway -- like do you think mainstream media would over 50 Cent if he hadnt been breaking sales records? so when media doesnt cover because they dont think there's a story there, as a mainstream phenomenon it ceases to exist anyway
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Thursday, 30 December 2010 00:46 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean, just as an example, the youtube for yo gotti's biggest single this year has more than 3 million views & the one for the arcade fire from this year has 1.2 million.
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Thursday, 30 December 2010 00:50 (thirteen years ago) link
(and im not even counting the 5 star bitch rmx cuz im guessing the nicki appearance distorted that but btw it has FIFTEEN MILLION views)
jesus christ can we stop "add[ing] to what we were discussing above" pleaaaaseee for the love of sanity (a foreign concept to deej/whiney i know)
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Thursday, 30 December 2010 00:50 (thirteen years ago) link
how about you stop contributing bullshit
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Thursday, 30 December 2010 00:51 (thirteen years ago) link
i'll keep it pertinent to this thread
ilxor lecturing other people on quality control is like rolling stone lecturing other magazines on overrating rock albums made by 50 year olds
― a snooki and a killer (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 30 December 2010 00:52 (thirteen years ago) link
take your own advice
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― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Wednesday, December 29, 2010 6:47 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark
― a snooki and a killer (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 30 December 2010 00:53 (thirteen years ago) link
low millions isn't really that big a number for youtube views at this point, tbh. and lol @ "bigger than the arcade fire" once again being the easy hurdle to fly every example over.
― hann am0n tana (some dude), Thursday, 30 December 2010 00:55 (thirteen years ago) link
do you think mainstream media would *cover* 50 Cent
that should read
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Thursday, 30 December 2010 00:55 (thirteen years ago) link
― hann am0n tana (some dude), Wednesday, December 29, 2010 6:55 PM (22 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
well i figured that the 'nabisco otm!' article about indie takeover here was a reasonable thing to be comparing it to.
compare gangster rap youtubes to whatever you want, al
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Thursday, 30 December 2010 00:57 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean, was there any other reason you can think of that made this stuff a mainstream phenomena other than a bunch of suits in the media realizing that NWA was suddenly outselling tons of legacy artists?
okay, contributing to the thread, then... arcade fire live streamed a NY concert from MSG earlier this year, 3.7 M in one night --
"After the album dropped on August 3, the band teamed up with Vevo, YouTube and American Express to put on a live-streamed show at New York City’s Madison Square Garden. The stream attracted 3.7 million viewers, according to Google, and boasted a ton of interactive features [...]"
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Thursday, 30 December 2010 00:58 (thirteen years ago) link
how can you compare a live concert promoted by credit card companies to youtube searches.
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Thursday, 30 December 2010 00:59 (thirteen years ago) link
b/c 3.7 mil in one evening for a live stream is a really big number
and both are on youtube
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Thursday, 30 December 2010 01:00 (thirteen years ago) link
like, how many viewers do you think a yo gotti live concert stream would pull in?
i dont know? i wonder how many the waka live streams have pulled in without credit card promotions
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Thursday, 30 December 2010 01:01 (thirteen years ago) link
i wonder how many the waka live streams have pulled in without credit card promotions as many fans as arcade fire
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Thursday, 30 December 2010 01:03 (thirteen years ago) link
credit card companies are the only thing that draw more eyeballs than gangsta rap, everyone knows that
― hann am0n tana (some dude), Thursday, 30 December 2010 01:15 (thirteen years ago) link
corporate promotions do tend to increase something's visibility yesbut be smarmy for no reason if u want
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Thursday, 30 December 2010 01:26 (thirteen years ago) link
even the youtube comparison is kind of impressive for arcade fire. u wouldn't expect ppl to "consume" arcade fire thru youtube like u wld yo gotti, right?
― zvookster, Thursday, 30 December 2010 01:30 (thirteen years ago) link
why not?
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Thursday, 30 December 2010 01:33 (thirteen years ago) link
uh, all the reasons stated by you and others upthread about how social media and streaming sites represent a bigger piece of the pie for mixtape rappers than for AOR indie bands?
― hann am0n tana (some dude), Thursday, 30 December 2010 01:35 (thirteen years ago) link
i dont recall saying that about youtube but about illegal downloads / bootlegging & what audiences are likely to pay for CDs. just because someone pays for a CD doesnt mean they dont stream youtube when they're at work / dont feel like getting the cd
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Thursday, 30 December 2010 01:36 (thirteen years ago) link
like, the question isnt 'who is likely to stream' its 'who is likely to pay money for a musical product'
those are related but not inverted questions
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Thursday, 30 December 2010 01:37 (thirteen years ago) link
i guess? i mean the much-referenced datpiff streams music too, it's not all downloads.
― hann am0n tana (some dude), Thursday, 30 December 2010 01:48 (thirteen years ago) link
i think of a lot of modern rap as being more song-oriented where someone might just play the track(s) they like 10 times on youtube or whatever vs. a rock artist where you're only considered a 'fan' of the artist if you have the album and can name every song off it
― hann am0n tana (some dude), Thursday, 30 December 2010 01:49 (thirteen years ago) link
like it doesn't seem like a fluke that there aren't a lot of "check out this cool song i found on youtube" posts on ilx rock threads like the ones you fill the rap threads with
― hann am0n tana (some dude), Thursday, 30 December 2010 01:55 (thirteen years ago) link
you guys should check this out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXHuf5Oo3PY
― scott seward, Thursday, 30 December 2010 02:01 (thirteen years ago) link
so amazing.
hahaha well played scott
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Thursday, 30 December 2010 02:06 (thirteen years ago) link
Arcade Fire's biggest viral video wasn't on YouTube; it had it's own website because it utilised html5 code. Just saying. Also 3million AT ONCE vs 3million over the lifetime of a video on YouTube (ie several months) is a BIG difference.
― Captain Ostensible (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 30 December 2010 04:17 (thirteen years ago) link
dont worry, deej is still otm -- he just hasn't figured out his next move yet
http://www.chessguru.net/end_game/two_rooks_checkmate/checkmate.png
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Thursday, 30 December 2010 04:30 (thirteen years ago) link
this is so dumb
theres also gonna be like 5 times as many yo gotti tracks as arcade fire tracks in a given year. most of which are all competing for views on youtube.
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Thursday, 30 December 2010 04:59 (thirteen years ago) link
and ilxor should really stop posting until hes doing something other than scorekeeping & otm-ing more times than a 2008 hoos with meth in his dr pepper
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Thursday, 30 December 2010 05:00 (thirteen years ago) link
Last.fm
Arcade Fire76,887,119 plays (1,459,726 listeners)
Yo Gotti1,181,879 plays (262,194 listeners)
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Thursday, 30 December 2010 05:02 (thirteen years ago) link
^^ not scorekeeping, just another glimpse of reality
i know you dont care
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Thursday, 30 December 2010 05:03 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah sorry dude i dont consider last.fm anything like a scientific sample, no
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Thursday, 30 December 2010 05:05 (thirteen years ago) link
'reality'
and i dont even know how to being to process the apples / oranges comparison that is a live streaming show being compared to streaming youtubes of album & mixtape tracks
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Thursday, 30 December 2010 05:07 (thirteen years ago) link
so basically there is no "accurate" sample that you'll accept, because the available samples all disprove your claims
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Thursday, 30 December 2010 05:08 (thirteen years ago) link
glad that is settled then
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Thursday, 30 December 2010 05:09 (thirteen years ago) link
wtf why would last.fm ever be an accurate sample
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 30 December 2010 05:09 (thirteen years ago) link
― markers, Thursday, 30 December 2010 05:10 (thirteen years ago) link
why would any inaccurate internet site be a perfect (i.e. "accurate") sample?? last.fm, youtube, whatever, it's all just snapshots of people listening to stuff. but it's all we have to go by, unless deej is to be believed saying "i got no evidence, perfect or otherwise, but trust me, i am right, k?"
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Thursday, 30 December 2010 05:12 (thirteen years ago) link
stfu markers ;_;
just b/c you clocked 200k arcade fire plays in 2010 doesnt mean it's not a decent talking point
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Thursday, 30 December 2010 05:13 (thirteen years ago) link
right--we shouldn't go by terrible statistics just because they're the only ones we have
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 30 December 2010 05:13 (thirteen years ago) link
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Thursday, December 30, 2010 12:12 AM
still got <3 4 u dude, but i have to agree w/ what cad said upthread
― markers, Thursday, 30 December 2010 05:14 (thirteen years ago) link
i'd agree that last.fm isn't perfect (same w/ youtube) but they are by no means "terrible" -- unless you'd like to qualify that for us
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Thursday, 30 December 2010 05:14 (thirteen years ago) link
last.fm is just a bunch of ppl who like to broadcast their music tastes to other ppl!
― markers, Thursday, 30 December 2010 05:15 (thirteen years ago) link
using a service that most people aren't on to get a sense of what's popular makes no sense
― markers, Thursday, 30 December 2010 05:16 (thirteen years ago) link
last.fm is for college student for chrissakes
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 30 December 2010 05:18 (thirteen years ago) link
You cannot accurately judge this in either direction. The winner is Take That because they sold 1.8million albums in 8 weeks or something.
― Captain Ostensible (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 30 December 2010 05:21 (thirteen years ago) link
no fucking clue where dude is getting these stats, but
http://perezhilton.com/2010-12-28-top-ten-most-illegally-downloaded-albums-songs-and-music-videos-of-2010
― nog it out with (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 30 December 2010 06:29 (thirteen years ago) link
Kylie is gangsta rap, right?
comment #45
― markers, Thursday, 30 December 2010 06:31 (thirteen years ago) link
whiney that seems to be the stats of a shitty tumblr
― zvookster, Thursday, 30 December 2010 06:38 (thirteen years ago) link
who illegally downloads music videos?
― /\/K/\/\, Thursday, 30 December 2010 06:46 (thirteen years ago) link
uhm i was a member of an invite-only rap vids room on slsk tbh :/ but eh yeah i doubt it's common. in this case they're talking about streams tho and it's just some shitty tumblr, honestly
― zvookster, Thursday, 30 December 2010 09:16 (thirteen years ago) link
Terrorizer top 40 - mag is out today I think - p good list imo (NB I voted in it and daresay I moved eg the Christian Mistress record up a few places)
1 TRIPTYKON EPARISTERA DAIMONES CENTURY MEDIA2 ENSLAVED AXIOMA... INDIE3 WATAIN LAWLESS DARKNESS SEASON OF MIST4 GHOST OPUS EPONYMOUS RISE ABOVE5 ELECTRIC WIZARD BLACK MASSES RISE ABOVE6 BURZUM BELUS CANDLELIGHT7 SWANS MY FATHER... YOUNG GODS8 KVELERTAK KVELERTAK INDIE9 DARKTHRONE CIRCLE THE WAGON PEACEVILLE10 KILLING JOKE ABSOLUTE DISSENT SPINEFARM11 CHRISTIAN MISTRESS AGONY AND OPIUM YOUNG GODS12 BLACK BREATH HEAVY BREATHING SOUTHERN LORD13 ANATHEMA WE'RE HERE BECAUSE... KSCOPE14 IRON MAIDEN THE FINAL FRONTIER EMI15 IHSAHN AFTER CANDLELIGHT16 DILLINGER ESCAPE PLAN OPTION PARALYSIS SEASON OF MIST17 NEGURA BUNGET VIRSTELE... CODE 66618 ALCEST ECAILLES DE LA LUNE PROPHECY19 GNAW THEIR TONGUES L'ARIVEE... CANDLELIGHT20 WINTERFYLLETH THE MERCIAN SPHERE CANDLELIGHT21 TWILIGHT MONUMENT TO TIME PROFOUND LORE22 CATHEDRAL GUESSING GAME NUCLEAR BLAST23 NACHTMYSTIUM ADDICTS PART II CANDLELIGHT24 ROTTING CHRIST AEOLO SEASON OF MIST25 KYLESA SPIRAL SHADOW SEASON OF MIST26 ENFORCER DIAMONDS EARACHE27 BASTARD PRIEST UNDER THE HAMMER PULVERISED28 HAIL OF BULLETS ON DIVINE WINDS METAL BLADE29 HIGH ON FIRE SNAKES FOR THE DEVINE E1/CENTURY MEDIA30 SHINING (NO) BLACK JAZZ INDIE31 ION DISSONANCE CURSED BASICK32 VOMITOR DEVILS POISON HELLS HEADBANGERS33 AGALLOCH MARROWS OF THE SPIRIT VIVA HATE34 OCEAN HELIOCENTRIC METAL BLADE35 ATHEIST JUPITER SEASON OF MIST36 SABBATH ASSEMBLY RESTORED TO ONE AJNA OFFENSIVE37 ABSCESS DAWN OF INHUMANITY PEACEVILLE38 INTEGRITY THE BLACKEST CURSE DEATHWISH39 SLOUGH FEG THE ANIMAL SPIRITS CRUZ DEL SUR40 LUDICRA THE TENANT PROFOUND LORE
― When I Pardew I See Rakes (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 30 December 2010 11:43 (thirteen years ago) link
I just got back from the town centre with my copy and saw your email haha. At least it saves me from typing it up lol
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Thursday, 30 December 2010 11:51 (thirteen years ago) link
Good list but some bands way too low (or high)
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Thursday, 30 December 2010 11:52 (thirteen years ago) link
Darkthrone will find it difficult to circle that single wagon ;_;
― Neil S, Thursday, 30 December 2010 12:32 (thirteen years ago) link
i was disappointed with that sabbath assembly album
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Thursday, 30 December 2010 12:56 (thirteen years ago) link
I was too, didn't hear what others seemed to be hearing. Agalloch way too fucking low. I realize that album on the verge of being the metal world's 2010 Arcade Fire album (in that it shows up on every damn list), but it really really is that amazing. Had to drive in to work last night for the first time in months, cranked it up really really loud for the commute home, and fell in love with it again.
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 30 December 2010 14:21 (thirteen years ago) link
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Thursday, 30 December 2010 05:05 (9 hours ago)
yeah but deej you said pretty much the same thing about Youtube views & yet you are still using those stats to declare Gucci victorious over Arcade Fire
― Ned Rag & the Evil Olive Gardens (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 30 December 2010 15:01 (thirteen years ago) link
I love deej's passion on this, but its pretty much not worth the time to argue with him. He's going to dismiss anything that doesn't back up his assertations that "gangster rap" is some criminally underrepresented genre that billions of teenagers are listening to.
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 30 December 2010 15:05 (thirteen years ago) link
last.fm's user base is a lot more self-selecting than youtube's, which pretty much is composed of everybody with internet access.
― The Reverend, Thursday, 30 December 2010 15:09 (thirteen years ago) link
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Monday, December 27, 2010 4:19 PM (3 days ago) Bookmark
― Ned Rag & the Evil Olive Gardens (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 30 December 2010 15:10 (thirteen years ago) link
xp I'm certainly not arguing that Arcade Fire has 76 fans for every 1 Yo Gotti fan...
― Ned Rag & the Evil Olive Gardens (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 30 December 2010 15:13 (thirteen years ago) link
(^there wz supposed to be a 'right on' in there somewhere...)
criminally underrepresented
Would make good album title.
― _Rudipherous_, Thursday, 30 December 2010 15:20 (thirteen years ago) link
combine w/ deej's already agreed upon memoir title: in my world of criminally underrepresented young ppl
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Thursday, 30 December 2010 15:26 (thirteen years ago) link
I was too, didn't hear what others seemed to be hearing. Agalloch way too fucking low.
Possibly it was out a bit late for it to finish high.
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Thursday, 30 December 2010 15:27 (thirteen years ago) link
terrorizer list is interesting,
the good: electric wizard top five (haven't heard the album proper, but given their quality control i naturally assume it's got to be really good); swans #7 even though it's kinda-not-metal; twilight mid-list, that's good stuff;
the bad: lots of good stuff placed too low (alcest, nachtmystium, shining, agalloch, slough feg, ludicra); no yakuza at all
the ugly: burzum top ten
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Thursday, 30 December 2010 15:32 (thirteen years ago) link
I was surprised the Burzum placed so high. Terrorizer have covered Swans since the mag started so that was no surprise at all.
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Thursday, 30 December 2010 15:35 (thirteen years ago) link
― Ned Rag & the Evil Olive Gardens (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, December 30, 2010 9:01 AM (43 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
yo gotti. gucci is a more clear winner (check stats for lemonade)
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Thursday, 30 December 2010 15:45 (thirteen years ago) link
Dude, you can't declare both last.fm and youtube "unscientific", but keep turning around and telling us to check the "youtube stats" to back up yr argument!
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 30 December 2010 15:47 (thirteen years ago) link
― The Reverend, Thursday, December 30, 2010 9:09 AM (39 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Thursday, 30 December 2010 15:49 (thirteen years ago) link
youtube stats are, on the surface, not 'scientific' bcuz there can be multiple uploads of the same track, or an artist can have more tracks up than another. but both of those things are likely to skew in favor of gotti, not arcade fire
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Thursday, 30 December 2010 15:50 (thirteen years ago) link
Another thread reminded me that no one has posted the Club Fonograma lists.
Club Fonograma's Top 40 Albums40. Carmen Sandiego - Joven Edad (Independiente)39. Hello Seahorse! - Lejos. No Tan Lejos (MUN/Nacional)38. Los Mil Jinetes - Reconoceronte (Cazador)37. Los Ginkas - Ongi Ibili Pop-Abilly (Independiente)36. Chancha Vía Circuito - Río Arriba (ZZK)35. TV Gamma - TV Gamma (Cazador)34. Balún - Memoria Textil (Sgulp!)33. Fother Muckers - Si no tienes nada que decir entonces calla (Cazador)32. Chikita Violenta - Tr3s (Arts & Crafts)31. Calle 13 - Entren Los Que Quieran (Sony)
30. Maria Rodés - Una Forma de Hablar (BCore)29. Prisma en Llamas - Aeropuerto Extrañamente Blanco (GsshGssh)28. Las Robertas - Cry Out Loud (Art Fag)27. Piyama Party - Michael Esta Vivo (Delhotel)26. Protistas - Nortinas War (Cazador)25. Napoleón Solo - Napoleón Solo En La Opera (Independiente)24. Aias - A La Piscina (Captured Tracks)23. Prehistóricos - La Orquesta Ocúlta (Independiente)22. Astro - Le Disc De Astrou (Wash Dishes)21. Ceci Bastida - Veo La Marea (Independiente)
20. Millonaria - She's a Tease (Happy-Fi)19. Julieta Venegas - Otra Cosa (Sony)18. Torreblanca - Defensa EP (Independiente)17. Delorean - Subiza (True Panther)16. Rey Pila - Rey Pila (Sony)15. Klaus & Kinski - Tierra, Trágalos (Jabalina)14. La Ola Que Quería Ser Chau - Películas Caseras (Discos Laptra)13. El Sueño de la Casa Propia - Historial de Caídas (Pueblo Nuevo)12. El Guincho - Piratas de Sudamérica (Young Turks)11. Los Punsetes - LP2 (Recordings From The Other Side)
10. Lido Pimienta - Color (Independiente)09. El Guincho - Pop Negro (Young Turks)08. Carla Morrison - Mientras Tú Dormías (Cosmica)07. Odisea - Odisea (Oveja Negra)06. Gepe - Audiovisión (Quemasucabeza)05. María y José - Espíritu Invisible (Grabaciones Amor)04. Dënver - Música, Gramática, Gimnasia (Cazador)03. Triángulo de Amor Bizarro - Año Santo (Mushroom Pillow)02. Rita Indiana y Los Misterios - El Juidero (Sony)01. Javiera Mena - Mena (Union del Sur)
― slow a cat sample down 800 percent (Matos W.K.), Thursday, 30 December 2010 15:50 (thirteen years ago) link
youtube views arent 'scientific' but as much as the charts 'prove' arcade fire are more popular, youtube 'proves' yo gotti is, which is to say: not at all
yo gotti has released like 5 'cocaine muzik' mixtapes in the past 3 yrs -- apples & oranges kind of thing here
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Thursday, 30 December 2010 15:51 (thirteen years ago) link
[b]Club Fonograma's Top 100 Songs[/i]100. Los Románticos de Zacatecas. “Volver a Quererte”099. Mentira Mentira. “If I”098. Cadáver Exquisito. “Canción Cuatro”097. Los Planetas feat. La Bien Querida. “No Se Como Te Atreves”096. Elis Paprika. “Tarde o Temprano”095. Dávila 666. “Mala”094. Las Señoras. “Digitación Alternativa”093. Andrea Balency Trío. “Una Línea Va”092. Napoleón Solo. “El Intercambio”091. Chikita Violenta. “Tired”
090. El Cuarto. “Las Cosas Han Cambiado”089. Rey Pila. “No Longer Fun”088. Hey Chica! “Adiós Noviembre”087. Niña. “Willie Nelson”086. Protistas. “Princesa del Tarapaca”085. Nortec Collective Presents Clorofila. “Baby Rock Rock”084. De Janeiros. “Montreal”083. El Mejor de los Babuinos. “Me Voy de la Ciudad”082. Triángulo de Amor Bizarro. “Año Santo”081. Dadalú . “Gracias”
080. Los Punsetes. “De Moda”079. Las Robertas. “Street Feelings”078. quieroStar. “Efecto Espejo”077. Triángulo de Amor Bizarro. “Super Castlevania IV”076. Ana Tijoux. “1977”075. Javiera Mena. “El Amanecer”074. Gepe. “12 Minerales”073. Orlando. “Solo Dios Sabe”072. Pernett. “Perikitus!”071. El Guincho. “Novias”
070. Papa Topo. “Lo que me gusta del verano es poder comer helado”069. El Sueño de la Casa Propia. “Voluntad de Oro”068. Balún. “Las Olas”067. Piyama Party. “Tus Padres Están Mirándonos”066. Ceci Bastida. “Como Soy”065. Prehistóricos. “Como las Piedras”064. Capullo. “Reencarnación”063. Superaquello. “Flor Es Ser”062. Delorean. “Real Love”061. Dënver. “Diane Keaton”
060. Enjambre. “Madrugada”059. La Reina Morsa. “Fiesta Pequeña”058. Hello Seahorse! “Un Año Quebrado”057. Calle 13. “Prepárame la Cena”056. Bigott. “Sparkle Motion”055. Julieta Venegas. “Debajo de mi lengua”054. Rey Pila. “No. 114 (Disco Ruido Yu-Remix)"053. Lido Pimienta. “Buena Persona”052. Klaus y Kinski. “Brilla Como Una Estrella”051. Emilio José. “Ipanema 6 20”
050. Los Rakas. “Soy Raka”049. El Medio. “Que bueno que nadie piensa en mi”048. María y José. “Oye Satanás!”047. Miriam García & Alicia Solans. “Pintar El Sol” (Chancha Vía Circuito Remix)046. Odisea. “Una Nueva Vida” (Vida Maquinal)045. Shakira. “Loca”044. La Ola Que Queria Ser Chau. “Cariñito”043. Quiero Club. “Música”042. María y José. “San Antonio”041. Dënver. “Olas Gigantes”
040. Pau y Amigos. “Fiesta Permanente”039. Rita Indiana y Los Misterios. “No Ta Llevando El Diablo”038. Astro. “Maestro Distorsión”037. Napoleón Solo. “Lolaila Carmona”036. Jessy Bulbo. “Permanentemente”035. Dënver. “Los Adolescentes”034. Banda de Turistas. “El Rogadero”033. Pipe Llorens. “Dame Un Besito”032. She’s a Tease. “Fiebre de Jack”031. La Casa Azul. “Todas Tus Amigas”
030. Torreblanca. “Parece Navidad”029. Ceci Bastida feat. Rye Rye. “Have You Heard?”028. María Rodes. “A Lo Mejor”027. Los Punsetes. “Tus Amigos”026. Disco Ruido. “Amorfos”025. Gepe feat. Jorge González. “Salón Nacional de Tecnologías”024. Carla Morrison. “Compartir”023. Fother Muckers. “Ola de Terror”022. Fakuta. “Armar y Desarmar”021. Algodón Egipcio. “El Día Previo”
020. María y José. “Violentao”019. Julieta Venegas. “Amores Platónicos”018. Rita Indiana y Los Misterios. “El Juidero”017. Lido Pimienta. “Progreso”016. Delorean. “Stay Close”015. Javiera Mena feat. Jens Lekman. “Sufrir”014. Quiero Club. “Las Propiedades del Cobre”013. Aias. “La Truita”012. Rita Indiana y Los Misterios. “Bajito a Selva”011. Javiera Mena. “Hasta la Verdad”
010. Odisea. “Cabros”009. Gepe. “Por La Ventana”008. Los Rakas feat. Fabiola. “Abrázame (Uproot Andy Remix)"007. El Guincho feat. Julieta Venegas. “Mientes”006. Triangulo de Amor Bizarro. “De la monarquía a la criptocracia”005. El Guincho. “Bombay”004. Dënver. “Lo Que Quieras”003. Los Espíritus. “Pacifico-Atlántico”002. Rita Indiana y Los Misterios. “Da Pa Lo Do”001. Javiera Mena. “Luz de Piedra de Luna”
― slow a cat sample down 800 percent (Matos W.K.), Thursday, 30 December 2010 15:54 (thirteen years ago) link
Javiera Mena!
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 30 December 2010 15:55 (thirteen years ago) link
Two last ones from CF:
Club Fonograma's Top 25 Albums of 2010 - Outsiders25. The Radio Dept. Clinging to a Scheme24. Harlem. Hippies23. Sufjan Stevens. The Age of Adz22. Sleigh Bells. Treats21. Marina and the Diamonds. The Family Jewels
20. Pantha Du Prince. Black Noise19. Freeway & Jake One. The Stimulus Package18. Joanna Newsom. Have One On Me17. Spoek Mathambo. Mshini Wam16. Against Me! White Crosses15. Local Natives. Gorilla Manor14. LCD Soundsystem. This Is Happening13. Vampire Weekend. Contra12. Caribou. Swim11. Robyn. Body Talk
10. Warpaint. The Fool09. Erykah Badu. New Amerykah Part II: Return of the Ankh08. Best Coast. Crazy For You07. Zola Jesus. Stridulum II06. Janelle Monae. The Archandroid (Suite II and III of IV)05. Four Tet. There Is Love In You04. Beach House. Teen Dream03. Ariel Pink's Haunted Graffiti. Before Today02. Big Boi. Sir Lucious Left Foot: The Son of Chico Dusty01. Kanye West. My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy
Club Fonograma's Best Songs of 2010 - Outsiders50. Everything, Everything - My Keys, Your Boyfriend49. Dominique Young Unique - Show My Ass48. Kylie Minogue - All the Lovers47. Bag Riders - Way Back Home46. Usher ft. Nicki Minaj - Lil' Freak45. The Pains of Being Pure at Heart - Heart in Your Heartbreak44. Against Me! - Bamboo Bones43. Tift Merritt - Mixtape42. Kanye West ft. Bon Iver - Lost in the World41. Kisses - Kisses
40. Robyn - Call Your Girlfriend39. LCD Soundsystem - I Can Change38. Harlem - Friendly Ghost37. Deerhunter - Helicopter36. Sufjan Stevens - Too Much35. Foals - Blue Blood34. Zowie - Broken Machine33. Miami Horror - Holidays32. Mount Kimbie - Mayor31. Ciara ft. Bei Major, Andre 3000 & Ludacris - Ride
30. Warpaint - Undertow29. Gorillaz - On Melancholy Hill28. Smith Westerns - Weekend27. Twin Sister - All Around and Away We Go26. Arcade Fire - Sprawl II (Mountains Beyond Mountains)25. Kanye West ft. Jay-Z, Pusha T, Swizz Beatz & Cyhi the Prince - So Appalled24. Marina and the Diamonds - I Am Not a Robot23. James Blake - CMYK22. T.I. - I'm Back21. Sleigh Bells - Rill Rill
20. Big Boi - Shutterbugg19. Rihanna - Only Girl (In the World)18. Caribou - Odessa17. Kanye West - Power16. Zola Jesus - Night15. Erykah Badu - Window Seat14. Spoek Mathambo - Mshini Wam13. Best Coast - Something in the Way12. Nas & Damian Marley - As We Enter11. Lykke Li - Possibility
10. Sleigh Bells - Tell 'Em9. Tennis - Marathon8. The Morning Benders - Excuses7. Rihanna ft. Drake - What's My Name?6. Beach House - Zebra5. Ariel Pink's Haunted Graffiti - Round and Round4. Janelle Monae ft. Big Boi - Tightrope3. Vampire Weekend - Giving Up the Gun2. Kanye West ft. John Legend, The-Dream, Ryan Leslie, Tony Williams, Charlie Wilson, Elly Jackson, Alicia Keys, Fergie, Kid Cudi, Rihanna & Elton John - All of the Lights1. Robyn - Dancing on My Own
― slow a cat sample down 800 percent (Matos W.K.), Thursday, 30 December 2010 16:08 (thirteen years ago) link
deej wanting to have his cake & eat it too ;_;
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Thursday, 30 December 2010 16:10 (thirteen years ago) link
ilxor how many on the Terrorizer list do you have?
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Thursday, 30 December 2010 16:20 (thirteen years ago) link
24. Aias - A La Piscina (Captured Tracks)
Not my favorite Captured Tracks record by any means, but nice to see this getting some love.
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 30 December 2010 16:25 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.southernsoulrnb.com/corner2010.cfm
DADDY B. NICE'S FINALISTS: BEST OF 2010 SOUTHERN SOULBelow is a list of finalists--the best in their categories for 2010--for the 4th Annual Daddy B. Nice Southern Soul Music Awards. The numbers below do NOT denote rankings. The award-winner in each category will be announced soon on this page. Music published before 2010 was eligible if the bulk of its chitlin' circuit airplay came in 2010.
Best CD: 1. Mel Waiters---I Ain't Gone Do It 2. Carl Marshall---Love Who You Wanna Love 3. Earl Gaines---Good To Me 4. Floyd Taylor---All Of Me 5. Luther Lackey---The Preacher's Wife 6. Denise LaSalle---24 Hour Woman 7. Cicero Blake---I'm Satisfied 8. Wendell B.---In Touch With My Southern Soul 9. Sheba Potts-Wright---Best Of Sheba Potts-Wright 10. Reggie P.---The Rude Boy Of Southern Soul
Best Mid-Tempo Song: 1. Older Woman (Looking For A Younger Man)---Denise LaSalle 2. Meet Me Tonight---Mel Waiters 3. If They Can Beat Me Rockin'---Vick Allen 4. If She's Cheating On Me, I Don't Wanna Know---Luther Lackey 5. Turn Road---Mr. Ivy 6. We Don't Get Along 'Til We Gettin' It On---O. B. Buchana 7. Trying To Please Two---Doctor D. 8. Personal Matter---Wilson Meadows 9. I Ain't Gone Do It---Mel Waiters 10. She Threw A Monkey Wrench In My Game---Walt Luv 11. Everybody Knows---The Revelations f/ Tre' Williams 12. Knock My Boots---Larry Milton
Best Club Song: 1. Get Out---Pat Cooley 2. I'm The Man For The Job---Lee "Shot" Williams 2. Brand New Man---Captain Jack Watson 4. Preacher Man---Reggie P. 5. Ride It Like A Cowboy (Zydeco Remix)---Kenne' Wayne 6. Slap It Tap It---Jim Bennett 7. The Bop---Ms. Jody 8. Let's Party---Cherone Brown 9. Everything's Going Up---Mel Waiters 10. Too Much Booty Shaking---Jonothan Burton 11. You Make Me Want To Pop A Pill---Ghetto Cowboy 12. P's & Q's---Reggie P. & Sir Charles Jones
Best Ballad: 1. Birthday Suit---Certified Slim 2. I Didn't Wanna Wake Up---Charles Blakely 3. All Of You, All Of Me---Floyd Taylor 4. The Preacher's Wife---Luther Lackey 5. Everybody Makes Mistakes---Bigg Robb 6. Outside Man---John Cummings 7. I'd Rather Be By Myself---Sweet Angel 8. Best Time I Ever Had In My Life---Wendell B. 9. Be A Man---Pat Cooley 10. Why Did You Lie---Jabo 11. You Deserve Better--100% Cotton 12. The Crying Zone---Bigg Robb 13. You Ain't The Father Of The Child---Sir Charles Jones 14. Baby Daddy---Bobbye Johnson
Best Song By Longtime Veteran: 1. I Ain't Gone Do It---Mel Waiters 2. Am I Mr. Right---William Bell 3. My Old Man & Mrs. Jones---Pat Brown 4. Pop That Thang---Big G. 5. Mr. Right Now---Latimore 6. Sorry (Didn't Know It Was Your Mama)---Lenny Williams 7. I've Lived It All---Carl Marshall 8. Into Something---Cicero Blake 9. Beat It Up---David Brinston 10. She Told On Herself---T.K. Soul 11. Older Woman---Denise LaSalle 12. What Do The Lonely Do---Joy 13. Blind Snake---Bobby Rush 14. Gotta Good Woman---Lee "Shot" Williams
Best Female Vocalist: 1. No Ordinary Pussycat---Ms. Jody 2. I'll Be Your Cheating Woman---Jill Sharp 3. Last Night Was Your Last Night---Sweet Angel 4. Be A Man---Pat Cooley 5. All About You---B.B. Queen 6. My Man (I Won't Let My Baby Down)---Lina 7. Baby Daddy---Bobbye Johnson 8. Reality Slowly Walks Us Down---LGB 9. You Won't Miss Your Water---Falisa JaNaye 10. Cheating On The Back Streets---Adrena 11. Older Woman (Looking For A Younger Man)---Denise LaSalle 12. Love That Keeps Us Holding On---Katrina Jefferson 13. Only Time I Get Lonely---Stephanie Pickett 14. Stuttering---Karen Wolfe
Best Male Vocalist: 1. Mister Can I Shine Your Shoes---Luther Lackey 2. Meet Me Tonight---Mel Waiters 3. If They Can Beat Me Rockin'---Vick Allen 4. We Don't Get Along Until We Gettin' It On---O.B. Buchana 5. Birthday Suit---Certified Slim 6. Brand New Man---Captain Jack Watson 7. I've Lived It All---Carl Marshall 8. You Ain't The Father Of The Child---Sir Charles Jones 9. Same Soap---Omar Cunningham 10. Knock My Boots---Larry Milton 11. I Didn't Wanna Wake Up---Charles Blakely 12. Everybody Knows---Tre' Williams w/ The Revelations 13. Come On Let's Dance---Donnie Ray 14. Best Time I Ever Had In My Life---Wendell B. 15. Wanna Make Love---Floyd Taylor
Best Debut: 1. Trying To Please Two---Doctor D. 2. My Man(I Won't Let My Baby Down)---Lina 3. Birthday Suit---Certified Slim 4. Turn Road---Mr. Ivy 5. Outside Man---John Cummings 6. Brand New Man---Captain Jack Watson 7. Cheating On The Back Street---Adrena 8. Mind Your Business---Heart 2 Heart Band 9. Ain't Going Your Way---B.B. Queen 10. I Didn't Wanna Wake Up---Charles Blakely 11. Falisa JaNaye---You Won't Miss Your Water
Best Collaboration: 1. We Both Grown---Willie Clayton & Dave Hollister 2. P's & Q's---Reggie P. & Sir Charles Jones 3. Haters Gone Hate---T. K. Soul, Vick Allen, Omar Cunningham 4. No Ordinary Pussycat---Ms. Jody & J. Blackfoot 5. Good Lovin' Testimony---Carl Marshall & Rue Davis 6. Family Reunion---Bigg Robb & Shirley Murdock 7. Forever Young---Gregg A. Smith, Bobby Rush, Lucky Petersen, Carl Marshall 8. That Girl Belongs To Me---Charles Wilson & Willie Clayton 9. Reach Out---Stan Mosley, Carl Marshall, Rue Davis, Lil' Buck & Jamonte Black
Best Outa-Left-Field Song: 1. I'm Going Solo---Narvel 2. You Deserve Better---100% Cotton 3. Reality Slowly Walks Us Down---LGB 4. Tired---Kelly Price 5. America Rises And Shines---Bobby Bowens 6. Cassanova (Zydeco version)---Lynn 7. Just One More Day---Randy "Wildman" Brown 8. A Girl Like Me---Sweet Angel 9. Don't Blame It On Me---The Winstons
Best Chitlin' Circuit Blues Song: 1. Repo Woman---Gwen White 2. Ex-Wife Blues---Cherone Brown 3. Don't Do It---Bobby Connerly 4. Bitter With The Sweet---Kenny Neal 5. Blind Snake---Bobby Rush 6. Forever Young---Gregg A. Smith, Bobby Rush, Lucky Petersen, Carl Marshall 7. Too Many Mechanics---Cream Of The Crop Blues Band 8. Jimmy---The Real Brown Sugar 9. I'll Be Your Cheating Woman---Jill Sharp 10. Let's Party---Cherone Brown
Best Cover Song: 1. Older Woman---Denise LaSalle 2. Sam---Angel Sent 3. Barbeque---Mel Waiters 4. Cheat Receipt---Denise LaSalle 5. Return Of The Mack---The BarKays 6. Back In The Streets Again---Ms. Jody 7. Good Lovin' Testimony---Carl Marshall w/ Rue Davis
― xhuxk, Thursday, 30 December 2010 16:35 (thirteen years ago) link
I did my Top 10 albums, alongside Mike Prevatt's indie-leaning list (singles + albums), Andreas Hale's hip-hop one, and Philip Booth's jazz 10, here: http://www.lasvegascitylife.com/articles/2010/12/30/music/stories/iq_40977446.txt.
― slow a cat sample down 800 percent (Matos W.K.), Thursday, 30 December 2010 16:54 (thirteen years ago) link
wow that is a lot of stuff i probably won't be hearing anytime soon. in theory i like the idea of hearing all of it. just wouldn't know when the hell that would happen. my one problem with some of the newer down home stuff - even since the 80's - is the generic backing track thing. the drum machine and casio kinda thing. stuff that was made with no money decades ago sounds awfully cool now. don't know if that will happen with a lot of latter-day ichiban type soul/blues. i'm sure there is a ton of stuff on that list that sounds cool though.
― scott seward, Thursday, 30 December 2010 17:00 (thirteen years ago) link
5. Return Of The Mack---The BarKays
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Thursday, 30 December 2010 17:03 (thirteen years ago) link
wow hale's list is like the exact inversion of what i like in rap this year
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Thursday, 30 December 2010 17:04 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean, excluding erykah
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Thursday, 30 December 2010 17:06 (thirteen years ago) link
Scott, the keyboard and drum machine work on current Southern soul has gotten better than it was in the '80s. I know that is the reason why many soul fans on here dismiss this stuff, but 2010 Ecko and Waldoxy/Malaco releases feel more up-to-date musically. As Chuck and I have discussed on the Chitlin Circuit soul thread, since those labels rarely send promos or market their stuff to anyone other than African-American Southern radio stations (and there are only a few blogs--Daddy B. Nice one listed above), this stuff gets ignored even by those who like Bettye Lavette or retro-soulsters like Sharon Jones.
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 30 December 2010 17:10 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm sure there is plenty of new stuff out there that i would enjoy!
― scott seward, Thursday, 30 December 2010 17:14 (thirteen years ago) link
3 WATAIN LAWLESS DARKNESS SEASON OF MIST4 GHOST OPUS EPONYMOUS RISE ABOVE5 ELECTRIC WIZARD BLACK MASSES RISE ABOVE7 SWANS MY FATHER... YOUNG GODS14 IRON MAIDEN THE FINAL FRONTIER EMI18 ALCEST ECAILLES DE LA LUNE PROPHECY21 TWILIGHT MONUMENT TO TIME PROFOUND LORE23 NACHTMYSTIUM ADDICTS PART II CANDLELIGHT25 KYLESA SPIRAL SHADOW SEASON OF MIST29 HIGH ON FIRE SNAKES FOR THE DEVINE E1/CENTURY MEDIA30 SHINING (NO) BLACK JAZZ INDIE33 AGALLOCH MARROWS OF THE SPIRIT VIVA HATE39 SLOUGH FEG THE ANIMAL SPIRITS CRUZ DEL SUR40 LUDICRA THE TENANT PROFOUND LORE
own 8 of these in physical format. have heard most/all of the others in streaming format(s)
how's the black breath album?
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Thursday, 30 December 2010 17:23 (thirteen years ago) link
The Black Breath album is awesome, I love it.
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 30 December 2010 17:45 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.thesilentballet.com/tsbt/2010/50_41.htmlAnother 7 albums I haven't heard in 50-41, including 65daysofstatic - We Were Exploding Anyway. I had no idea that was out.
― Fastnbulbous, Thursday, 30 December 2010 19:00 (thirteen years ago) link
I didn't know one of Marcel Khalife's sons put out a solo album.
― _Rudipherous_, Thursday, 30 December 2010 19:03 (thirteen years ago) link
(this year)
― _Rudipherous_, Thursday, 30 December 2010 19:04 (thirteen years ago) link
i've heard a grand total of two albums on the silent ballet list so far. salem and emeralds. i like noveller. i should see if they have that at the local hepcat store in northampton.
― scott seward, Thursday, 30 December 2010 19:14 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't how to feel about the fact that a rapper I've never heard of is more popular than the Arcade Fire. I know that the statistical data we have is inadequate, but my faith in it has been shaken.
― Zsa Zsa Gay Bar (jaymc), Thursday, 30 December 2010 19:14 (thirteen years ago) link
Very glad I saw this Silent Ballet list. I don't look at that site, but maybe I should. So far this Mar-Khalife is decent. First track prog/fusion with singing in French.
― _Rudipherous_, Thursday, 30 December 2010 19:23 (thirteen years ago) link
― Zsa Zsa Gay Bar (jaymc), Thursday, December 30, 2010 1:14 PM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i cant tell if this is half joke half serious or whatim sure youve known about an indie act & not a rapper before but that wasnt rlly my point
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Thursday, 30 December 2010 19:35 (thirteen years ago) link
Sort of joking, yeah, but at the same time: Arcade Fire is not just an indie act but one that has had a #1 album on Billboard, which all things considered, I still think is a not-bad indication of one's general level of popularity. I guess it surprises me a little that there could be an act I've never heard of that is nevertheless more popular than a band with a #1 album. But maybe that's the situation we find ourselves in.
― Zsa Zsa Gay Bar (jaymc), Thursday, 30 December 2010 19:42 (thirteen years ago) link
rappers, because of their reliability on live shows, are probably also relying on a much larger # of songs than ever before -- its hard to tour on the same album for a year and a half so you get dudes releasing a lot more songs w/ minor variations on similar themes -- gucci, boosie, gotti, all these guys do this -- to keep the catalog evolving & keep live show price up in the air
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Thursday, 30 December 2010 19:47 (thirteen years ago) link
rock music's LP focus would never allow for this, bcuz its so contingent on 'consistency' -- which really is a different application of 'consistency' than you would use for gucci vs, say, gorilla zoe's stream of mostly-zzz mixtapes from last year
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Thursday, 30 December 2010 19:49 (thirteen years ago) link
(gucci is more consistent than zoe, but its measured differently than the consistency of arcade fire's 'perfect album')
arcade fire should totally steal one of these titles for their next album:
http://thehiphophost.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/yo_gotti-all_things_white-.jpg
http://www.mixtapewire.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/yo-gotti-white-america.jpg
― scott seward, Thursday, 30 December 2010 19:59 (thirteen years ago) link
deej if the live show $$$$ is a more accurate judge of a rapper's popularity, why does arcade fire play Madison Square Garden and Yo Gotti plays like "Club Destiny" in Orlando?
― nog it out with (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 30 December 2010 20:05 (thirteen years ago) link
Arcade Fire should cover Syl Johnson's Is It Because I'm White?
― Cosby You! Black Emperor (Doran), Thursday, 30 December 2010 20:09 (thirteen years ago) link
I guess it surprises me a little that there could be an act I've never heard of that is nevertheless more popular than a band with a #1 album. But maybe that's the situation we find ourselves in.
Yes it is pretty convincing that YouTube plays are as accurate an indicator of popularity as billboard charts when you put it that way.
― Two Red Ducks, Thursday, 30 December 2010 20:18 (thirteen years ago) link
― nog it out with (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, December 30, 2010 2:05 PM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
new york is not the center of the universe
& the thing about media attention being self-perpetuating ... theres a snowball effect when something like say cash money or no limit are selling tons in the south -- it forces the majors to come to them -- then they get attendant media attention -- mtv rotation, bet rotation -- which grows into a national profile
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Thursday, 30 December 2010 20:23 (thirteen years ago) link
― Two Red Ducks, Thursday, December 30, 2010 2:18 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
you're reading the argument backwards -- its that billboard charts are inaccurate too
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Thursday, 30 December 2010 20:24 (thirteen years ago) link
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Thursday, December 30, 2010 2:23 PM (27 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
(what i mean is, this is how it USED to work)
"new york is not the center of the universe"
totally is if you like pizza. and hot fashion models. and rats.
― scott seward, Thursday, 30 December 2010 20:26 (thirteen years ago) link
and dipset
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Thursday, 30 December 2010 20:26 (thirteen years ago) link
like, im willing to believe arcade fire is more popular than yo gotti ... i dont have an exact grasp of how popular they are relative to him. but i dont think you guys do either. what im trying to say here isnt 'you forgot poland' or w/e with yo gotti, its just that i think the charts are a lot less reliable yardstick than people realize any more
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Thursday, 30 December 2010 20:30 (thirteen years ago) link
if the Beale Street Music Festival is Memphis's Madison Square Garden than Yo Gotti is still playing at like 5:40 under Seether
― nog it out with (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 30 December 2010 20:33 (thirteen years ago) link
can't fight the seether
― scott seward, Thursday, 30 December 2010 20:36 (thirteen years ago) link
― nog it out with (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, December 30, 2010 2:33 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
yeah, no
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Thursday, 30 December 2010 20:39 (thirteen years ago) link
5 star bitch rmx has 15 million youtube views. i think hes doing better than seether
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Thursday, 30 December 2010 20:40 (thirteen years ago) link
you should explain that to the promoters in his OWN HOME TOWN then
― nog it out with (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 30 December 2010 20:41 (thirteen years ago) link
i think patton oswalt would call you a gangsta rap otaku
― nog it out with (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 30 December 2010 20:42 (thirteen years ago) link
Alright, deej, you're saying that Gucci and Gotti and Waka--and the gangsta rap genre in general--is just as popular as it ever was, but that a lot of their fans' willingness to download illegally, combined with their integration with new marketing strategies, such as giving way tons of free mixtapes online, are preventing them from making their full presence known on Billboard. And that the rappers who are selling loads of albums are the ones who are crossing over to older, whiter demographics (ie Drake, Kanye, Wayne, Em, etc.).
But gangsta rappers were crossing over back then weren't they? Not even just Biggie and Pac ad Jay-Z but like 3-6 and Master P and Bone Thugs were being listened to and maybe even bought by the '90s equivalent of 'Coldplay fans'. And if gangsta rap isn't reaching those audiences as well anymore--the audiences that still buy albums--I mean, isn't that the definition of a niche market?
― Ned Rag & the Evil Olive Gardens (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 30 December 2010 20:43 (thirteen years ago) link
oh seether has had numerous charting singles & platinum albums as recently as 2007, plus a decade-long career. well yeah of course hes opening for them.
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Thursday, 30 December 2010 20:43 (thirteen years ago) link
"Alright, deej, you're saying that Gucci and Gotti and Waka--and the gangsta rap genre in general--is just as popular as it ever was, "
no, im not
okay my bad
― Ned Rag & the Evil Olive Gardens (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 30 December 2010 20:44 (thirteen years ago) link
google before zing, you got a thing; zing before google, chariot choogle
― nog it out with (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 30 December 2010 20:44 (thirteen years ago) link
― Ned Rag & the Evil Olive Gardens (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, December 30, 2010 2:43 PM (51 seconds ago) Bookmark
i dont really think that they were, no. ime ppl checking u2 records in the late 90s werent fucking w/ rap music. aside from huge huge names like snoop & 50 cent you didnt have that kind of crossover. master p was, despite selling millions and millions of albums, a pretty underground media phenomenon, and middle-aged moms in hoffman estates werent copping their records like they are kanye's now
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Thursday, 30 December 2010 20:45 (thirteen years ago) link
xp i'm pretty sure my two paragraphs up above do not anywhere add up to 'zing'
― Ned Rag & the Evil Olive Gardens (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 30 December 2010 20:46 (thirteen years ago) link
('sgood though...)
he was talking about me zinging seether, who i knew nothing about
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Thursday, 30 December 2010 20:46 (thirteen years ago) link
will smith, actually, they were buying
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Thursday, 30 December 2010 20:47 (thirteen years ago) link
oh right on
I think it's a p. broad generalization to say that W. Smith is the only rapper that older-ish white rock/pop fans were digging...
― Ned Rag & the Evil Olive Gardens (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 30 December 2010 20:51 (thirteen years ago) link
(in the 90s)
― Ned Rag & the Evil Olive Gardens (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 30 December 2010 20:52 (thirteen years ago) link
I knew plenty of people in college in the late 90s that were listening to stuff like Beck and No Doubt as WELL as No Limit shit.
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 30 December 2010 20:55 (thirteen years ago) link
yah but i mean kanye has long passed that crowd -- hes a straight up household name thats like ... snoop dogg, 50 cent ... who else? maybe dr. dre at one point.
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Thursday, 30 December 2010 21:02 (thirteen years ago) link
im saying that rather than going thru the ranks of rap fans into that crowd, since that crowd is who still moves units, a lot of these rappers are just skipping traditional rap fans altogether & going straight for the joe 12 cd one -- not talking about dudes who liked beck AND no limit
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Thursday, 30 December 2010 21:03 (thirteen years ago) link
"new york is not the center of the universe"totally is if you like pizza. and hot fashion models. and rats.
hopefully the rats do not live in the pizza place.
― Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 30 December 2010 21:08 (thirteen years ago) link
I was going to suggest the suburban moms were buying Lauryn Hill.
― The Reverend, Thursday, 30 December 2010 21:10 (thirteen years ago) link
this seems a bit flimsy and ill-thought out--who does this apply to? drake? kanye (kind of)? certainly doesn't apply to wayne (who kind of invented the new paradigm) or eminem or even t.i., though he hasn't released a major-label album in 2 years and so prolley doesn't apply at all to this conversation (yes I know you didn't say 'lol @ talking about 'album sales' in 2008')
― Ned Rag & the Evil Olive Gardens (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 30 December 2010 21:21 (thirteen years ago) link
also seems to me that 12 cd ppl would the first ones to quit spending money, since they'd have all their needs met with a combination of Livewire and Youtube...
― Ned Rag & the Evil Olive Gardens (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 30 December 2010 21:23 (thirteen years ago) link
maybe not the suburban moms or the swinging Hangover-type thirtysomethings blasting Kanye on their commute home...
― Ned Rag & the Evil Olive Gardens (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 30 December 2010 21:24 (thirteen years ago) link
lil wayne t.i. and jay-z are all street rappers -- all three of whom crossed over to that audience to sell more (t.i. the least successfully)
rappers now who 'actually sell' albums either aim for that audience & sell units (BOB) or dont, and dont (yo gotti)
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Thursday, 30 December 2010 21:25 (thirteen years ago) link
― The Reverend, Thursday, December 30, 2010 3:10 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
this is otm -- weirdly a (superior, but) strangely similar record to Drake's in its split-the-difference approach to rap & R&B
― Ned Rag & the Evil Olive Gardens (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, December 30, 2010 3:23 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
who do u think is buying cds? serious question
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Thursday, 30 December 2010 21:26 (thirteen years ago) link
another question, if anyone can find a source -- id love to know how many cds were sold in 2010 vs. 2000
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Thursday, 30 December 2010 21:27 (thirteen years ago) link
xp the suburban moms or the swinging Hangover-type thirtysomethings blasting Kanye on their commute home...
actually I have no idea...I'm pretty sure a lot of casual music fans I have come across though are downloading 9/10ths of the music in their possession.
― Ned Rag & the Evil Olive Gardens (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 30 December 2010 21:30 (thirteen years ago) link
just wanted to point out that chariot choogle has been OTM in this thread
― contenderizer, Thursday, 30 December 2010 21:31 (thirteen years ago) link
lol that xp was to answer deej's question about who is buying CDs
but srsly my answer is those with enough disposable income...
― Ned Rag & the Evil Olive Gardens (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 30 December 2010 21:31 (thirteen years ago) link
all the HARDCORE MUSIC OBSESSIVES that Drugs A Money knows are the ones buying Susan Boyle CDs
― nog it out with (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 30 December 2010 21:32 (thirteen years ago) link
a demographic which is skewing even older and whiter than usual lately
― The Reverend, Thursday, 30 December 2010 21:33 (thirteen years ago) link
point made.
― Ned Rag & the Evil Olive Gardens (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 30 December 2010 21:35 (thirteen years ago) link
A couple Bachar Mar-Khalife track's. The whole album is not as proggy as this first track, and the second one here is best at the end. I don't completely love the distorted vocals on it, but they are okay, I guess:
Bachar mar-Khalifé - DistanceBachar mar-Khalifé - Distance
(I wish they would have posted "Democratia.")
― _Rudipherous_, Thursday, 30 December 2010 21:38 (thirteen years ago) link
#1 on my list
(actually it was the fact that the article mentioned her that struck my ire in the 1st place and led me to say 'right on deej'. I wasn't even thinking about illegal downloads/Youtube hits/last.fm at all; I was just annoyed that the author seemed to want to see Boyle and BEP at the top of these lists...)
― Ned Rag & the Evil Olive Gardens (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 30 December 2010 21:38 (thirteen years ago) link
though, if you want to talk about Youtube hits...
― Ned Rag & the Evil Olive Gardens (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 30 December 2010 21:39 (thirteen years ago) link
drugs & rev have already nailed this shut, but since i already typed it out:
I'm pretty sure a lot of casual music fans I have come across though are downloading 9/10ths of the music in their possession.
― Ned Rag & the Evil Olive Gardens (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, December 30, 2010 1:30 PM (42 seconds ago) Bookmark
understanding that anecdotal experience is just that, perhaps meaningless in any larger sense, i have found that most seattle people in my "crowd" (largely white, middle class, indie culture 20-to-40-somethings, passive to avid music fans) buy music. they buy a lot of it. and they're kind of uncomfortable, a lot of them, with the idea of illegally downloading it. i buy a lot of music myself, but i also steal audition it, and i think i'm more rare in that than those among my peers who pay for most everything they listen to. this attitude, and the relative affluence behind it, is part of the culture, my culture.
but i'm kind of old, thus isolated, out of touch with younger fans and music cultures. wouldn't be at all surprised to learn that kids are much more likely to steal music than to buy it, or that things are different in other demographic niches. it's probably true, however, that if thug rap was (still?) crossing over to my peer group, it'd be selling more.
― contenderizer, Thursday, 30 December 2010 21:43 (thirteen years ago) link
i said it before but you really can't underestimate the normal/average people casual/impulse starbucks/best buy/walmart/etc $7.99 ON SALE! purchases that people make. cuz people still buy stuff like that all the time. and thats a big chunk of album sales too, i'll bet. most people don't even walk into chain or non-chain music stores unless they are fanatics. lots of casual folks buy CDs at the drugstore and the convenience store. along with DVDs and large bottles of yoo hoo.
― scott seward, Thursday, 30 December 2010 21:45 (thirteen years ago) link
(largely white, middle class, indie culture 20-to-40-somethings, passive to avid music fans)
this is still just a fraction of like "white 20-to-40-somethings," let alone the rest of americs
― nog it out with (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 30 December 2010 21:47 (thirteen years ago) link
oh yeah, no doubt, not claiming to speak for anything but my small circle of friends
― contenderizer, Thursday, 30 December 2010 21:49 (thirteen years ago) link
my world of people
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Thursday, 30 December 2010 21:51 (thirteen years ago) link
vinyl selection at this best buy (wherever it is) is kinda cool
http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/.a/6a00df351e888f883401348896f76e970c-800wi
― scott seward, Thursday, 30 December 2010 21:53 (thirteen years ago) link
and more astutely curated then the newbury comix store near me. as far as nostalgia/impulse vinyl buying goes.
― scott seward, Thursday, 30 December 2010 21:55 (thirteen years ago) link
continuing...
but i do think that the group i'm speaking for (and other vaguely similar groups, a cluster of overlapping circles) buys a LOT of music and, in seattle at least, drives the city's most visible music culture. what they're interested in gets played on KEXP, gets booked at sasquatch and other high-profile festivals, gets prominent display in high-traffic stores, sells. sucks that it's mostly the arcade fire and the national or whatever, but i'd think they'd be an attractive target audience for anyone wanting to actually, you know, make money via music sales.
― contenderizer, Thursday, 30 December 2010 21:56 (thirteen years ago) link
I went to Best Buy and they were selling Rihanna's Loud on vinyl for $40 (FORTY DOLLARS). I was thinking to myself "who the hell would pay that much for that," and then two girls passed by me, saw it, and were like "OOH I WANT THAT"
― the nutwasher (The Brainwasher), Thursday, 30 December 2010 21:56 (thirteen years ago) link
xxp Yeah, I would totally cop some Pac & Bad Brains vinyl if they were in front of me and the right price.
― The Reverend, Thursday, 30 December 2010 21:56 (thirteen years ago) link
(Oops, second link I posted was for Marée Noire. scott seward, I think you would like those Bachar Mar-Khalife tracks.)
― _Rudipherous_, Thursday, 30 December 2010 21:57 (thirteen years ago) link
Haha so much for "the right price".
― The Reverend, Thursday, 30 December 2010 21:57 (thirteen years ago) link
shocked that vinyl display is at best buy.
― Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 30 December 2010 22:00 (thirteen years ago) link
not so shocked b/c everything there is at least $30
― sleeve, Thursday, 30 December 2010 22:05 (thirteen years ago) link
it is a pretty great little pocket lesson on how to sell vinyl to best buy shoppers
― contenderizer, Thursday, 30 December 2010 22:14 (thirteen years ago) link
It doesn't look too difficult after all.
― _Rudipherous_, Thursday, 30 December 2010 22:18 (thirteen years ago) link
i listened to that thing you like, Rudi the Rockist. i don't know what to make of it yet. i will listen again. kinda liked it more before the beats came in. but i'm at work and listening to *Fairy Cakes For Tea (Fairytales Can Come True Vol.2) - 20 Previously Uncomped Popsike Gems 1966-71* at the moment too and that might have coloured my opinion of the youtube thing.
― scott seward, Thursday, 30 December 2010 22:51 (thirteen years ago) link
I should have quit while I was ahead, "Manos Arriba 2.0."
― _Rudipherous_, Thursday, 30 December 2010 22:54 (thirteen years ago) link
Top 10 Reggae Songs from Large Up: http://largeup.okayplayer.com/2010/12/30/toppa-top-10-top-reggae-singles-of-2010/
― slow a cat sample down 800 percent (Matos W.K.), Friday, 31 December 2010 00:27 (thirteen years ago) link
I may actually listen to all those! #2 on that list made my Pazz & Jop ballot, and the guy who did #4 put a single on my Pazz & Jop ballot last year. So maybe my reggae tastes are not stupid after all.
― xhuxk, Friday, 31 December 2010 01:06 (thirteen years ago) link
Anyone been in an Urban Outfitters recently? Their vinyl selection looks a lot like that Best Buy display.
― sofatruck, Friday, 31 December 2010 17:02 (thirteen years ago) link
i did some lists:
http://alexmacpherson.tumblr.com/post/2540857715/top-30-albums-of-2010http://alexmacpherson.tumblr.com/post/2540874379/top-111-tracks-of-2010
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Friday, 31 December 2010 17:06 (thirteen years ago) link
when i had a hipster gen x underground store in philly in the early 90's urban outfitters would come in and take pictures of the place and buy our hipster stuff. they were pretty good at cool hunting back then. we took it as a compliment. don't know about now.
― scott seward, Friday, 31 December 2010 17:36 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.thesilentballet.com/tsbt/2010/40_31.html
I only heard one of this batch.
― Fastnbulbous, Friday, 31 December 2010 17:53 (thirteen years ago) link
lex's albums list is fantastic -- i've heard 14 of those and love almost every note, not a dud in the bunch -- which means i'll def be checking out the rest as i find the time
― slouching, unshaven, thick-necked, unstylish, pig-eyed (ilxor), Friday, 31 December 2010 20:43 (thirteen years ago) link
i made a big list of albums/songs i liked in 2010, with youtube links
http://tinyurl.com/ilxor2010
redirects to facebook
feel free to "friend" me if that's yr thing (& of course, if we are already friends, i've probably sent this to you already)
― slouching, unshaven, thick-necked, unstylish, pig-eyed (ilxor), Friday, 31 December 2010 20:45 (thirteen years ago) link
Slate:
Albums
Actress, Splazsh (Honest Jon's)Big Boi, Sir Lucious Left Foot: The Son of Chico Dusty (Purple Ribbon/Def Jam)Das Racist, Sit Down, Man (mixtape, Greedhead/Mad Decent)Fabolous, There Is No Competition 2 (mixtape, Gangsta Grillz)Glasser, Ring (True Panther/Matador)Joanna Newsom, Have One On Me (Drag City)Earl Sweatshirt, EARL (mixtape, Odd Future)Vampire Weekend, Contra (XL)Wavves, King of the Beach (Fat Possum)Kanye West, My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy (Def Jam)
Singles
Arcade Fire, "We Used to Wait"Lloyd Banks feat. Juelz Santana, "Beamer, Benz or Bentley"Beach House, "Zebra"Justin Bieber, "Runaway Love"James Blake, "Measurements"Chris Brown feat. Drake, Fabolous, Kanye West, T.I., and Andre 3000, "Deuces (Remix)"Drake feat. The-Dream, "Shut It Down"Lil B feat. Messy Marv, "Hannah Montana"Lil Wayne, "Six Foot Seven Foot"Nicki Minaj, "Did It On 'Em" Rick Ross feat. Gucci Mane, "MC Hammer"Salem, "Redlights" (King Night version)The-Dream, "F.I.L.A."Yeasayer, "Ambling Alp"Young L, "Young L-E-N"
― President Keyes, Friday, 31 December 2010 21:10 (thirteen years ago) link
I think it's just Jonah Weiner's list.
you said weiner.
― scott seward, Friday, 31 December 2010 21:11 (thirteen years ago) link
so here's my top 50 albums of the year:
http://narrowcast.blogspot.com/2010/12/top-50-albums-of-2010.html
1. Butch Walker & The Black Widows - I Liked It Better When You Had No Heart (One Haven Music)2. Diddy-Dirty Money - Last Train To Paris (Bad Boy/Interscope Records)3. My Chemical Romance - Danger Days: The True Lives of the Fabulous Killjoys (Reprise)4. Jazmine Sullivan - Love Me Back (J Records/Arista)5. Nice Nice - Extra Wow (Warp Records)6. Styles P. & DJ Green Lantern - The Green Ghost Project (Invasion Music Group)7. Waka Flocka Flame - Flockaveli (1017 Brick Squad/Asylum/Warner Bros.)8. Superchunk - Majesty Shredding (Merge Records)9. Floored By Four - Floored By Four (Chimera Music)10. Yelawolf - Trunk Muzik (DJ Burn One)11. Casual Curious - Casual Curious (self-released)12. The Gaslight Anthem - American Slang (Side One Dummy)13. Big Boi - Sir Lucious Left Foot: The Son Of Chico Dusty (Purple Ribbon/Def Jam)14. Ted Leo/Pharmacists - The Brutalist Bricks (Matador Records)15. Freeway & Jake One - The Stimulus Package (Rhymesayers)16. The Nels Cline Singers - Initiate (Cryptogramophone Records)17. Jaguar Love - Hologram Jams (Fat Possum Records)18. Erykah Badu - New Amerykah Part Two (Return of the Ankh) (Universal Motown)19. Gucci Mane - Mr. Zone 6 (DJ Drama)20. Mike Watt - Hyphenated-Man (Parabolica Records)21. Jonathan Richman - O Moon, Queen Of Night On Earth (Vapor Records)22. Isobel Campbell & Mark Lanegan - Hawk (V2 Records)23. Fat Joe - The Darkside Vol. 1 (Terror Squad/E1)24. Medications - Completely Removed (Dischord Records)25. Trans Am - Thing (Thrill Jockey Records)26. The Posies - Blood/Candy (Rykodisc)27. Nels Cline - Dirty Baby (Cryptogramophone Records)28. The Living Sisters - Love To Live (Vanguard)29. Elvis Costello - National Ransom (Hear Music/Universal)30. Young Jeezy - Trap Or Die II: By Any Means Necessary (Don Cannon)31. The-Dream - Love King (Radio Killa/Def Jam)32. Ne-Yo - Libra Scale (Def Jam)33. Scarface - Dopeman Music (Facemob Music)34. Kanye West - My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy (Roc-A-Fella/Def Jam)35. Raheem DeVaughn - The Love & War MasterPeace (Jive/Zomba)36. The Toadies - Feeler (Kirtland)37. Linkin Park - A Thousand Suns (Warner Bros.)38. JP, Chrissie & The Fairground Boys - Fidelity! (Rocket Science)39. Sade - Soldier Of Love (RCA/Epic)40. UNKLE - Where Did The Night Fall (Surrender All)41. The Bird & The Bee - Interpreting The Masters Volume 1: A Tribute To Daryl Hall And John Oates (Blue Note Records)42. Fabolous - There Is No Competition 2: The Funeral Service (DJ Drama)43. The Roots - How I Got Over (Def Jam)44. The New Pornographers - Together (Matador Records)45. Ciara - Basic Instinct (LaFace/Jive)46. The Superions - Destination... Christmas! (Fanatic Records)47. Rasputina - Sister Kinderhook (Filthy Bonnet Co.)48. Pimp C - The Naked Soul of Sweet Jones (Rap-a-Lot)49. Lil Boosie - Incarcerated (Trill Entertainment/Asylum/Warner Bros.)50. ROVA Saxophone Quartet & The Nels Cline Singers - The Celestial Septet (New World)
― hann am0n tana (some dude), Friday, 31 December 2010 21:32 (thirteen years ago) link
the posies!
― scott seward, Friday, 31 December 2010 21:37 (thirteen years ago) link
that is a cool and weird fucking list. are you the only person on earth who knows what that number one is? rasputina! holy toledo.
― scott seward, Friday, 31 December 2010 21:39 (thirteen years ago) link
elvis costello! who knew?
ha great list but i think theres a reason i prefer al's genre-specific ones, theres something sorta wacky to me about being like "so how does this fat joe compare to this year's elvis costello"
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Friday, 31 December 2010 21:42 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.besteveralbums.com/yearstats.php?y=2010
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 31 December 2010 21:47 (thirteen years ago) link
Taken from all the main lists apparently
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 31 December 2010 21:49 (thirteen years ago) link
i like the year-end things cuz then i can say stuff like: superchunk are still a band!?
― scott seward, Friday, 31 December 2010 21:50 (thirteen years ago) link
I thought you didn't actually like Kanye's album...?
― Indolence Mission (DJP), Friday, 31 December 2010 22:22 (thirteen years ago) link
I've wanted to hear that Butch Walker album since I heard him the NYT Popcast, but haven't gotten around to it.
― President Keyes, Friday, 31 December 2010 22:27 (thirteen years ago) link
― Indolence Mission (DJP), Friday, December 31, 2010 5:22 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i talk about it in the actual list i linked, but basically a) i treat those lists as a 'yearbook' and obviously am not seriously recommending all 50 of those as unequivocally great albums, b) #34 is not that high and c) if you think an album is just OK and everyone else is giving it 5 stars yeah you end up in kind of an adversarial position toward it and downplay what you enjoy about it but i never said i hate everything about it
― hann am0n tana (some dude), Friday, 31 December 2010 22:32 (thirteen years ago) link
the posiestoadies!
― Ned Rag & the Evil Olive Gardens (Drugs A. Money), Saturday, 1 January 2011 09:08 (thirteen years ago) link
MIXMAG’S TOP 100 TUNES OF 20101. Tensnake, “Coma Cat” (Permanent Vacation/Defected)2. Art Department, “Without You” (Crosstown Rebels)3. Jamie Woon, “Night Air” (Cadent Songs) [Ramadanman remix mentioned]4. Soul Clap, “Extravaganza” (Wolf + Lamb Black)5. The Chemical Brothers, “Swoon” (Parlophone) [Lindstrom & Prins Thomas remix mentioned]6. Caribou, “Odessa” (City Slang)7. Tinie Tempah, “Pass Out” (Parlophone)8. The Count & Sinden ft. Mystery Jets, “After Dark” (Domino)9. Katy B, “Katy on a Mission” (Rinse)10. Magnetic Man, “I Need Air” (Columbia)
11. Nicolas Jaar, “A Time for Us” (Wolf + Lamb)12. Swedish House Mafia, “One” (Virgin)13. Aeroplane, “We Can’t Fly” (Wall of Sound)14. Duck Sauce, “Barbra Streisand” (3 Beat/AATW)15. Breakbot, “Baby I’m Yours (Aeroplane Remix)” (Ed Banger)16. Jamaica, “I Think I Like U 2 (Buffalo Bunch Remix)” (Cooperative)17. Guy Gerber, “Hate Love” (Supplement Facts)18. Jamie Jones, “Ruckus” (Hot Creations)19. Gathering, “In My System (Jef K System Remix)” (Silver Networks)20. Maceo Plex, “Vibe Your Love” (Crosstown Rebels)
21. Birds & Souls, “Birds & Souls” (Spectral)22. James Blake, “CMYK” (R&S)23. Ripperton, “Random Violence” (Green)24. Groove Armada, “Paper Romance” (Cooking Vinyl)25. Bakers Dozen (Simon Baker), “Piano Lessons” (Foot and Mouth)26. Underworld, “Scribble” (Cooking Vinyl)27. Jozif, “Chicago” (Wolf + Lamb)28. Rusko ft. Amber Coffman, “Hold On (Sub Focus Remix)” (Ram/Ministry of Sound)29. Kenny Larkin, “Glob (Claude von Stroke Remix)” (Planet E)30. Ramadanman, “Work Them” (Swamp 81)
31. Robert James & Burnski, “Malibu” (Hot Creations)32. Addison Groove, “Footcrab”/“Dumb Shit” (Swamp 81)33. Gorillaz, “Stylo” (EMI)34. Hot Natured, “Equilibrium” (Culprit)35. Azari & III, “Reckless with Your Love (Tensnake Mix)” (Permanent Vacation)36. Lee Foss, “U Got Me” (Hot Creations)37. Cassius, “99 (Tim Green Mix)” (Cassius)38. Larry Heard, “Déjà Vu (Musaria Mix)” (Innervisions)39. Monarchy, “Love Get Out of My Way (Tim Goldsworthy Dub)” (Monarchy)40. Jon Hopkins, “Vessel (Four Tet Remix)” (Double Six)
41. Chase & Status ft. Dizzee Rascal, “Heavy” (Mercury)42. Redlight ft. Ms. Dynamite, “What You Talking About” (Digital Soundboy)43. Nalin & Kane, “Beachball (Joris Voorn Remix)” (Supra)44. Crystal Castles, “Celestica” (Fiction)45. N/A ft. Rosina, “Fables & Fairytales (Deniz Kurtel Remix)” (Crosstown Rebels)46. Above & Beyond & Gareth Emery Presents Oceanlab, “On a Good Day (Metropolis)” (Anjunabeats)47. MJ Cole, “Sincere (Neroremix)” (Viper)48. Boys Noize, “Yeah” (BNR)49. Flight Facilities ft. Giselle, “Crave You” (Bang, Gang)50. Japanese Popstars ft. Green Velvet, “Let Go” (Virgin/EMI)
51. Booka Shade, “Regenerate” (Get Physical)52. Robert James, “Sleep Moods” (Culprit)53. Four Tet, “Angel Echoes” (Domino)54. The Revenge ft. Danielle Moore, “Just Be Good to Me” (Needwant)55. Drop the Lime, “Sex Sax” (Trouble and Bass)56. Radio Slave, “I Don’t Need a Cure For This (Kenny Larkin Remix)” (Rekids)57. Shit Robot, “I Got a Feeling” (DFA)58. Marc Romboy vs. Blake Baxter, “Muzik” (Systematic)59. Chilly Gonzalez, “Never Stop (Erol Alkan Rework)” (Phantasy Sound)60. Lenzman ft. Riya, “Open Pate” (Metalheadz)
61. Rank 1 & Jochen Miller, “The Great Escape” (High Contrast)62. Tiefschwarz, “What You Want” (Souvenir)63. Girl Unit, “Wut” (Night Slugs)64. High Rankin, “Duncan’s Disco Dirt Box Disaster” (Suicide Dubs)65. Gyptian, “Hold You” (Levels)66. Deadboy, “If U Want Me” (Numbers)67. S.A.S. (Subb_an & Adam Shelton), “In the Candy Store” (Foot & Mouth)68. James Blake, “Limit to Your Love” (Atlas)69. Midnight Magic, “Beam Me Up” (Permanent Vacation)70. Thugfucker, “Disco Gnome (Tale of Us Remix)” (Barraca)
71. Chrisophe, “Make a Mark” (Redux)72. System F, “Out of the Blue (Giuseppe Ottaviani Remix)” (Premier)73. Floating Points/Shark Chase, “People’s Potential” (Eglo)74. Mason, “Runaway” (Animal Language)75. Don Diablo, “Who’s Your Daddy (A. Skillz Remix)” (Sony)76. Giuseppe Ottavani ft. Faith, “Angel” (Vandit)77. Crystal Castles/Robert Smith, “Not in Love” (Fiction)78. Mr. Sofalumpkins, “Day the Funk Died” (Geniuskills)79. Paul Maddox, “Endangered” (Tidy Trax)80. Wolf + Lamb, “Keep Me Up All Night (Dancing)” (Wolf + Lamb)
81. Ali Wilson, “Pandora” (Incharge)82. Massive Attack, “Paradise Circus (Gui Boratto Remix)” (Rcrd Lbl)83. Two Bears, “Curious Nature” (Southern Fried)84. Loco Dice, “Definition” (Desolat)85. Noisia, “Machine Gun” (Vision)86. Yeasayer, “O.N.E.” (Mute)87. Technicolour & Komatic, “Skyline Boulevard” (Technique)88. Gareth Emery ft. Lucy Saunders, “Sanctuary” (Garuda)89. Four Tet, “Sing (Floating Points Remix)” (Domino)90. George Lenton, “Sorry” (Wicky Lindows)
91. James Devlin, “Suplex (Andy Farley Remix)” (Devotion Dance)92. Underworld, “Bird 1” (Cooking Vinyl)93. The Aiku, “Just Can’t Sleep (Mighty Mouse Remix)” (Abracada)94. Factory Floor, “A Wooden Box (Stephen Morris Mix)” (Blast First Petite)95. Jamie Jones & Ghadi Mizrahi, “Nasty Things” (Wolf + Lamb)96. Yolanda Be Cool & DCup, “We No Speak Americano” (AATW/Sweat It Out)97. Actress, “Maze (Long Version)” (Honest Jon’s)98. Quest, “Smooth Skin” (Deep Medi Musik)99. DJ Koze, “Blume Der Nacht” (Pampa)100. Joker, “Tron” (Kapsize)
― slow a cat sample down 800 percent (Matos W.K.), Saturday, 1 January 2011 21:12 (thirteen years ago) link
I guess different strokes for different folks; if I was making a list, I would stop when I ran out of albums I was enthusiastic about.
I think there were probably 25 albums that came out this year that I loved; I would rather enthuse about them for longer than pad the list out with 25 more albums that I thought were adequate.
― Indolence Mission (DJP), Saturday, 1 January 2011 21:55 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm glad al makes big lists because i like his writing
― flopson, Saturday, 1 January 2011 22:00 (thirteen years ago) link
Odd that Bromance is not on the Mixmag list, was def one of the biggest tunes this year along with One, Barbra Streisand and No Speak Americano.
― Siegbran, Saturday, 1 January 2011 22:05 (thirteen years ago) link
As usual the Mixmag list is an interesting mix of anthems, the same stuff RA and FACT like, and then unexpected curios. Excellent top 5.
Underrated mag IMO.
― Tim F, Saturday, 1 January 2011 22:20 (thirteen years ago) link
considering how vociferous al was in his criticisms of the kanye record -- including giving me crap for not liking the record while criticizing some arguments against it -- i am also surprised he would rank it
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Saturday, 1 January 2011 22:20 (thirteen years ago) link
Deej I think you would really like Soulclap btw.
― Tim F, Saturday, 1 January 2011 22:24 (thirteen years ago) link
yah its dope! i was linked to it from somewhere else or it turned up on another list & i checked it
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Saturday, 1 January 2011 22:26 (thirteen years ago) link
what a horribly generic name for a producer tho haha
Not even their best edit. "Lovelight" from last year was ace.
Yeah I ignored them for quite a while because i thought with a name like that they could only be deathly deathly boring conservative house.
― Tim F, Saturday, 1 January 2011 22:29 (thirteen years ago) link
And their whole free R&B edit EP too.
― Tim F, Saturday, 1 January 2011 22:31 (thirteen years ago) link
Fully agree w/Tim's assessment of the mag.
― slow a cat sample down 800 percent (Matos W.K.), Saturday, 1 January 2011 22:33 (thirteen years ago) link
That said, I see a lot of stuff I remember giving 5s and 6s on The Singles Jukebox.
― slow a cat sample down 800 percent (Matos W.K.), Saturday, 1 January 2011 22:34 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah I'm not saying I like everything on this list, I just think it's got a much broader and more interesting range than lots of people give it credit for.
― Tim F, Saturday, 1 January 2011 22:35 (thirteen years ago) link
oh god i have heard this yeah -- the Kells one is dope -- i totally forgot who this was cuz of their name lol
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Saturday, 1 January 2011 22:35 (thirteen years ago) link
im getting a lot of error messages from download sites lately, i wonder whats up
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Saturday, 1 January 2011 22:36 (thirteen years ago) link
Error 101 (net::ERR_CONNECTION_RESET): Unknown error.
Reminds me I didn't nom a song of theirs for the poll. That should be corrected.
― Tim F, Saturday, 1 January 2011 22:36 (thirteen years ago) link
(xposts)
This year I'm also seeing a lot less RA/FACT/Mixmag crossover than I often do, except at the very top. (Tensnake and Art Department ate everything else, it seems. I can't deny my hand in that, either: "Coma Cat" was #1 on my RA ballot, partly to make a point; it's 10th on my Pazz & Jop, which is where it really lands for me.) I think that just speaks to the amount of seriously good dance music there was in a lot of areas. If anything, the RA tracks list looks the most widely representative of it, which is kind of funny since it's only 50 instead of the 100 FACT and Mixmag have. It's fun, of course--more things to hear. It also, I think, speaks to the real explosion of options dance music especially has undergone. Consensus is great but not always necessary, I think, at least from a listening standpoint.
― slow a cat sample down 800 percent (Matos W.K.), Saturday, 1 January 2011 22:42 (thirteen years ago) link
I often think of RA as halfway between Mixmag than FACT so that makes sense.
― Tim F, Saturday, 1 January 2011 22:46 (thirteen years ago) link
I need to catch up on dance music. I've barely listened to any of it this year.
― tears of a self-clowning oven (The Reverend), Saturday, 1 January 2011 23:00 (thirteen years ago) link
Cool lists from Dummy:
Albums: http://www.dummymag.com/lists/2010/12/22/the-61-best-albums-of-the-year/Tracks: http://www.dummymag.com/lists/2010/12/31/the-56-best-tracks-of-the-year/EPs: http://www.dummymag.com/lists/2010/12/31/the-27-best-eps-of-the-year/
― slow a cat sample down 800 percent (Matos W.K.), Sunday, 2 January 2011 01:53 (thirteen years ago) link
mixmag is the only place to rep for that awesome groove armada song, im with ithttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74cQF2ebgOM
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Sunday, 2 January 2011 01:59 (thirteen years ago) link
lol well done Groove Armada still going
― Costco Chapel (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 2 January 2011 02:00 (thirteen years ago) link
― Indolence Mission (DJP), Saturday, January 1, 2011 4:55 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
yeah hence the 'yearbook' philosophy, the top 20 or so is a pretty serious "best of the year" thing, the rest is so in 5 or 10 years i can easily look back and see what i was listening to. not about padding, just having a wider scope for the sake of personal indulgence.
― hann am0n tana (some dude), Sunday, 2 January 2011 02:08 (thirteen years ago) link
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Saturday, January 1, 2011 5:20 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i was never on the lex tip of "this album is HORRIBLE and has NO VALUE AT ALL" though. if i thought it was completely worthless i probably wouldn't listen to it more than once or think enough to post on a thread about it that many times?
― hann am0n tana (some dude), Sunday, 2 January 2011 02:11 (thirteen years ago) link
i think it's pedestrian and incredibly boring rather than totally worthless. two stars, remember!
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Sunday, 2 January 2011 09:27 (thirteen years ago) link
so "pedestrian and incredibly boring" that you felt compelled to repeatedly state your case as such in a 4000 plus post thread concerning the subject? hmm, how much worse could it have been if you really hated it? i wonder...
(j/k dude. i know it was the zeitgeist-y aspect of the thing--as well as the overtly-fawning, hyperbolic silliness of the many rave reviews, of course--that irked you and others so.)
― 69 65 51 46 (Ioannis), Sunday, 2 January 2011 09:58 (thirteen years ago) link
It pains me to hear peolple admit they're ranking albums they don't feel strongly about.
― scott pgwp (pgwp), Sunday, 2 January 2011 17:46 (thirteen years ago) link
oh come on, a personal list's #34 being "i heard this too, it wasn't bad" is like some sort of failing?
― zvookster, Sunday, 2 January 2011 17:59 (thirteen years ago) link
Kind of implies dude should hear more records imo
― our man flint flo$$y (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 2 January 2011 18:18 (thirteen years ago) link
nah, i probably didn't love more than 20 records this year, and heard at least 10 times that many
― contenderizer, Sunday, 2 January 2011 18:35 (thirteen years ago) link
Considering that most lists seem to have the same albums in slightly different order, It seems like modern day critics dont seem to listen to as many albums as say Chuck does. And Chuck is always saying how P&J lists weren't like that in the 80s. Do most critics only stay within narrow comfort zones today?
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Sunday, 2 January 2011 18:36 (thirteen years ago) link
shiplo said "I probably listened to somewhere between 100 and 200 new albums this year"
i feel like y'all listen to too many new releases. when do u socialize, get laid, or watch sports films & tv? or even given it's ilm, when do u relisten to your favorite records? absent a critic having a regular reviewing gig why would u expect numbers in advance of these?
― zvookster, Sunday, 2 January 2011 18:43 (thirteen years ago) link
xp to whiney
Me and unperson got in that argument on another thread. Its getting way more common since it's way more profitable to be the "world music expert" or "corny indie fuck" expert when an editor starts calling. Def a product of people going to specialty blogs more and more, tailoring their experiences...
― our man flint flo$$y (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 2 January 2011 18:49 (thirteen years ago) link
shiplo said "I probably listened to somewhere between 100 and 200 new albums this year"i feel like y'all listen to too many new releases. when do u socialize, get laid, or watch sports films & tv? or even given it's ilm, when do u relisten to your favorite records? absent a critic having a regular reviewing gig why would u expect numbers in advance of these? --zvookster
i feel like y'all listen to too many
new releases. when do u socialize, get laid, or watch sports films & tv? or even given it's ilm, when do u relisten to your favorite records? absent a critic having a regular reviewing gig why would u expect numbers in advance of these? --zvookster
In tweet-reviewed 425 records and probably heard another 200 to 400 on top of that. I listen all day and do fun things all night.
― our man flint flo$$y (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 2 January 2011 18:51 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah i know that, it's cool that it's your normal lyfe but i'm just saying u seem view that sort of listening as necessary from list-makers, which is dumb
― zvookster, Sunday, 2 January 2011 18:53 (thirteen years ago) link
zvookster otm
― k3vin k., Sunday, 2 January 2011 18:55 (thirteen years ago) link
absent a critic having a regular reviewing gig why would u expect numbers in advance of these?
I expect a rock critic to listen to records. The job requirement shouldn't have too much else really.
― our man flint flo$$y (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 2 January 2011 18:55 (thirteen years ago) link
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Wednesday, December 22, 2010 10:45 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark
ilxor seeming to defend intentionally packing one's top list with recognizable, generally well-respected consensus picks (assuming that's what one's audience wants or could use). posted re: algerian goalkeeper's question. i can see the merit in this, tbh, especially if one were writing for entertainment weekly or something. but it still leaves me wondering: "really? has everybody really settled on these 20 or 30 consensus albums in varying order?" i mean, i wouldn't include any of the four albums ilxor names on my personal list. not that i don't like them; i do, they're great, but they don't number among my personal favorites of the year.
― contenderizer, Sunday, 2 January 2011 18:55 (thirteen years ago) link
maybe jan 2011 is when we finally reach an understanding on how year-end lists should be.
― call all destroyer, Sunday, 2 January 2011 18:56 (thirteen years ago) link
my point was that a lot of people not on ILX or obsessed w/ various musics may not recognize, say, robyn or arcade fire or something on a critics' list. also, they probably dont take the time to look at 100+ lists in an ILX thread the moment each is released. so, as a result, they aren't all "OMG KANYE AGAIN CANT BELIEVE THIS LISTS DONT HAVE MORE VARIETY" -- if you only see 2 or 3 lists in a year, like the casual listener may, then it's not a chore to see those "consensus" albums at the top.
that said, i'm not defending intentionally packing one's list with any sort of picks, recognizable or not. just list what you enjoyed most!
xp to contenderizer
― slouching, unshaven, thick-necked, unstylish, pig-eyed (ilxor), Sunday, 2 January 2011 19:06 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, i get that. but i'm always more interested in lists that reflect a specific personality, with weird quirks of taste and enthusiasm, than in lists that merely attempt to highlight "quality". lists of the latter sort tend to dull consensus, for various reasons, and they bore me no matter how many or few of them i've read. lists of the former sort are intrinsically unpredictable and interesting, because people are both, when they allow themselves to be.
― contenderizer, Sunday, 2 January 2011 19:14 (thirteen years ago) link
and that's horseshit, too, because there are lots of intensely "personal" and intensely boring lists out there consisting of obscure friend bands, wacky pop, and bad albums by has-been artists the listmaker bonded with in their youth and can't let go of. which recipe isn't really any more objectionable than the mix-n-match 10 crit pop hits with 10 indie pop hits formula. so i dunno...
― contenderizer, Sunday, 2 January 2011 19:19 (thirteen years ago) link
some dude's lists are good because when u read the writeups its like, oh ya, that's actually what listening to albums is like when ppl are just being real & not trying to will a sense of the exciting new music of our time into existence. i'm prob as enthusiastic abt new music as anyone else here & find a lot of it to love but i relate to the distribution of love in al's list way more than something that's just nonstop gushing
― flopson, Sunday, 2 January 2011 19:24 (thirteen years ago) link
ime the nonstop gushing & positivity can make people feel guilty abt not loving everything so much & i suspect a lot of that shit is at least partly dishonest tho not necessarily intentional or w/e
― flopson, Sunday, 2 January 2011 19:26 (thirteen years ago) link
otoh he is a total curmudgeon tho. if all i read was ilx this year i wld think he didn't like rap music, since he's never really enthusiastic abt anything.
― zvookster, Sunday, 2 January 2011 19:28 (thirteen years ago) link
― our man flint flo$$y (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, January 2, 2011
u seem to expect them to listen to new records all day every day, once or twice each.
surely a requirement for a critic is to write cogently abt what u do listen to. i'm not sure how much having given a listen to 800 records from the same year wld help with that. again i'm not dissing what u do, just the concept that ur experience is in any way required or best practice - that's a joke.
― zvookster, Sunday, 2 January 2011 19:30 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah
― flopson, Sunday, 2 January 2011 19:39 (thirteen years ago) link
flopson & zvookster are both otm about al, contradictory or not lol
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Sunday, 2 January 2011 19:43 (thirteen years ago) link
love al's writing btw.
http://www.thesilentballet.com/tsbt/2010/20_11.html
― Fastnbulbous, Sunday, 2 January 2011 19:57 (thirteen years ago) link
good stuff on the silent ballet-- too bad they are wrong about Cosmogramma being FlyLo's second album (it's his third!!!!)
― slouching, unshaven, thick-necked, unstylish, pig-eyed (ilxor), Sunday, 2 January 2011 22:47 (thirteen years ago) link
how red their faces must be!!!!
― hann am0n tana (some dude), Sunday, 2 January 2011 22:55 (thirteen years ago) link
dying
― our man flint flo$$y (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 2 January 2011 23:13 (thirteen years ago) link
of embarrassment
― they fund ph.d studies, don't they? (Lamp), Sunday, 2 January 2011 23:24 (thirteen years ago) link
He didn't get a Grammy nomination, but at least he made the Silent Ballet Top 100 (top 20 even).
― _Rudipherous_, Sunday, 2 January 2011 23:38 (thirteen years ago) link
― zvookster, Sunday, January 2, 2011 12:59 PM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― our man flint flo$$y (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, January 2, 2011 1:18 PM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i dunno man, what's your 34th favorite album of the year and would you say you love every minute of it? if it was met with a MBDTF level of acclaim would you think it was a bit overrated?
― hann am0n tana (some dude), Monday, 3 January 2011 01:05 (thirteen years ago) link
the idea that you need to cover some huge breadth of music to be a good music writer is 100% nonsense and has gotten more ridiculous than ever
― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Monday, 3 January 2011 01:06 (thirteen years ago) link
^^^
I've heard probably less than 50 albums this year. Even that felt like too much, like it resulted in cursory attention to everything. I don't see how hearing more would make me a better writer.
― Tim F, Monday, 3 January 2011 01:34 (thirteen years ago) link
"I don't see how hearing more would make me a better writer."
really?
― scott seward, Monday, 3 January 2011 01:35 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean, the more you know, the more you know.
unless you write, like, zen music writing, i guess. and you just listen to the same song every day.
― scott seward, Monday, 3 January 2011 01:37 (thirteen years ago) link
and you CAN study one drum beat or one bass line for days. i dig that.
― scott seward, Monday, 3 January 2011 01:38 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm all for obsessiveness. and if you listen to too much you might get all mixed up. like me.
Hearing more albums = thinking less about each album I hear.
― Tim F, Monday, 3 January 2011 01:38 (thirteen years ago) link
I think a lot of critics listen to a fantastic breadth of stuff but as a result don't really allow themselves a chance to develop a particularly nuanced take on much of the music they're listening to. Arguably one of the reasons so many critics' lists look the same is that critics are churning through so much music that it just saves time going into a listening experience applying whatever emergent critical consensus already exists as a kind of listening filter.
― Tim F, Monday, 3 January 2011 01:41 (thirteen years ago) link
i think everyone's got a right to operate differently and figure out what works best for them. i could probably stand to hear more albums than i do, or from a wider range, but keeping tabs on the beats i already cover and the artists i already like and letting other stuff kind of fall in my lap semi-organically keeps me busy enough as it is.
― hann am0n tana (some dude), Monday, 3 January 2011 01:46 (thirteen years ago) link
i listen to a lot, but i also focus on one thing for a period of days sometimes. i can go either way. i get obsessed and interested about things and then i go deeper. but people DO have a natural built-in capacity for all kinds of things and you know when your tank is full. so, really, whatever works best for you. hearing many examples of one type of thing can be helpful to me. i think about how it all fits/doesn't fit/connects/doesn't connect/etc.
― scott seward, Monday, 3 January 2011 01:46 (thirteen years ago) link
I've heard probably less than 50 albums this year.
Isn't this a little misleading given the number of individual tracks and DJ mixes you probably listen to? Like, it might sound like less listening than you actually do because of the type of material you focus on.
― _Rudipherous_, Monday, 3 January 2011 02:08 (thirteen years ago) link
oh goodness
can you please descend back into yr circle of hell where people who enjoy "hey soul sister" are condemned to?
― slouching, unshaven, thick-necked, unstylish, pig-eyed (ilxor), Monday, 3 January 2011 02:58 (thirteen years ago) link
eh you may wanna just take that zing big guy
― call all destroyer, Monday, 3 January 2011 02:59 (thirteen years ago) link
― slouching, unshaven, thick-necked, unstylish, pig-eyed (ilxor), Monday, 3 January 2011 03:00 (thirteen years ago) link
Tim F otm.
― scott pgwp (pgwp), Monday, 3 January 2011 03:55 (thirteen years ago) link
I guess so, though a lot of the radio sets I listen to will be like 80% tracks I already know so it's hard to quantify this. My point was more that there seems to be this pernicious trend whereby critics now feel obliged to check out 200+ albums each year (and in particular albums that are getting hyped by other critics) simply because they can, and I don't know that it necessarily makes them better writers.
My listening to uk funky radio sets is effectively dead time in the above (omnivorus music critic) terms because no-one in the world cares - I may as well be listening to my old Joni Mitchell records for all that it contributes to a critical conversation about music in 2010. OTOH for the most part it develops my thoughts about music much more substantially than dutifully checking out x Best New Music album.
― Tim F, Monday, 3 January 2011 04:00 (thirteen years ago) link
Brainwashed readers' poll results are up
#1 album starts with an "S" and ends with "WANS" ;)
http://brainwashed.com
― slouching, unshaven, thick-necked, unstylish, pig-eyed (ilxor), Monday, 3 January 2011 04:10 (thirteen years ago) link
probably agree more with tim here - if i listened to the amount of albums whiney does each year, there's no way i could get inside them enough to have more than a superficial opinion on any of them. also, it's perfectly possibly to get a grasp on an artist du jour without ever hearing the whole album. that said 50 does seem like a pretty small number - surely which 50 is even more dependent on luck/critical consensus?
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Monday, 3 January 2011 04:24 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah 50 might be a slight exaggeration, if I really thought about it I might have heard 80 or so albums this year, but 30 or so only once and in those cases I don't even like to talk about them, I feel like my decision not to return to them comes with an acknowledgment that I have no business talking about them.
surely which 50 is even more dependent on luck/critical consensus?
well, I've only heard 8 of pitchfork's top 50 albums if that's any indication.
― Tim F, Monday, 3 January 2011 04:56 (thirteen years ago) link
Listening to more records doesn't make you a better writer, it just makes you more aware of trends. Whether you write well about 20 albums or 200 albums is up to you.
Also not to spin this into yet another Pitchfork conversation, but I still maintain that people bestow the site with too much authority. If they give something a Best New Music then every critic becomes duty-bound to hear it and have an opinion on it. Nothing against Pitchfork - they like what they like - but the way they drive the conversation all year long, it's no surprise that everyone's EOY lists resemble theirs.
― scott pgwp (pgwp), Monday, 3 January 2011 05:38 (thirteen years ago) link
can anyone tell me about these records i haven't heard (& in many cases, even heard OF) from the Brainwashed top 100 ??
Cyclobe, "Wounded Galaxies Tap at The Window"JG Thirlwell, "Manorexia: The Mesopelagic Waters"Demdike Stare, "Liberation Through Hearing"Demdike Stare , "Voices Of Dust "Jefre Cantu-Ledesma , "Love is a Stream"Foetus, "Hide"Master Musicians Of Bukkake, "Totem 2"Keith Fullerton Whitman, "Generator"Baby Dee, "Book of Songs for Anne Marie"The Fun Years, "God Was Like, No"Demdike Stare, "Forest Of Evi"Jana Winderen, "Energy Field"Master Musicians Of Bukkake, "Visible Signs Of The Invisible"TwinSisterMoon, "...Then Fell the Ashes"Xela, "The Divine"Anbb (Alva Noto & Blixa Bargeld), "Mimikry"Nurse With Wound & Larsen , "Erroneous: A Selection Of Errors"BJ Nilsen, "The Invisible City"The North Sea, "Bloodlines"Xela, "The Sublime"Charlemagne Palestine, "Strumming Music For Piano Harpsichord And Strings Ensemble"BJ Nilsen & Stilluppsteypa, "Space Finale"Ceremony, "Rocket Fire"Jon Mueller, "The Whole"Koen Holtkamp, "Gravity/Bees"Nicholas Szczepanik, "Dear Dad"Altar Eagle, "Mechanical Gardens"Locrian, "The Crystal World"Magic Lantern, "Platoon"Natural Snow Buildings, "The Centauri Agent"Eleh, "Radiant Intervals"Organum, "Sorrow"Svarte Greiner, "Penpals Forever And Ever"
― slouching, unshaven, thick-necked, unstylish, pig-eyed (ilxor), Monday, 3 January 2011 06:24 (thirteen years ago) link
Demdike Stare
if u page back once there's a youtube
― flopson, Monday, 3 January 2011 06:30 (thirteen years ago) link
thankx!
― slouching, unshaven, thick-necked, unstylish, pig-eyed (ilxor), Monday, 3 January 2011 06:38 (thirteen years ago) link
i think i remember contenderizer talking about magic lantern, & Lamp bj nilsen
― flopson, Monday, 3 January 2011 06:42 (thirteen years ago) link
It appears that more people are concerned with being good writers than good critics. It's understandable, good writing can lead to more/better opportunities, while good criticism isn't always even recognized by that large an audience. I've read plenty of good writing in poor reviews. Lovely metaphors and clever phrases that serve a writer's portfolio and ego more than the music. I can appreciate it briefly, but then it's quickly forgotten as I skim onward in search of good music. Even good writing that's also good criticism is going to be forgotten. It's never going to be literature (with perhaps a few exceptions from the likes of Bangs and Kent).
Good criticism isn't very flashy, and it takes an admirable suspension of ego to write efficiently in service of the music. And like the best writers, it involves plenty of research and preparation. I would not consider anyone who listens to only 4 new albums a month as having particularly deep knowledge of current music. Critics that can't be bothered to even hear at least 20 albums a month, let alone find more than 20 or 40 albums they truly like in a year are in the wrong damn field. Someone who really loves music should have no problem finding and hearing more than a couple hundred albums a year worth hearing. It's probably too much to ask of your average writer, certainly. But who wants average? I'm quite happy with the handful of crazy obsessives whose opinions I respect. I've always wished there was a way to add a filter to something like the Pazz & Jop based on the number of albums the writers heard that year. That list would be much more interesting. The rest can keep their polished reviews. Some of us just want to find the tunes.
― Fastnbulbous, Monday, 3 January 2011 06:58 (thirteen years ago) link
funny post. do u do stand up?
― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Monday, 3 January 2011 07:02 (thirteen years ago) link
it's like why didnt they just tweet reviews of the mona lisa fuck it save time
― flopson, Monday, 3 January 2011 07:04 (thirteen years ago) link
Deej, you listen to a ton of music. Why are you being such a champion of NOT listening to music?
― our man flint flo$$y (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 3 January 2011 07:08 (thirteen years ago) link
i dont think quantity gives ppl perspective. acknowledging that music is huge & out of your control is more necessary for that perspective than listening to everything.
i mean, its a choice of depth vs breadth, i dont think tim f spends less time listening to music than whiney g
― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Monday, 3 January 2011 07:11 (thirteen years ago) link
There's a difference between acknowledging you can't listen to "all" the music, or 30,000 albums in a year, and acknowledging that maybe more than 0.166% of it deserves some attention.
Tweeting about Mona Lisa. Funny. But in the art world, to be taken seriously as a critic, one has to demonstrate an incredibly deep knowledge of art history, and ideally credentials of a Ph.D. or at least Masters. You have to be able to accurately identify literally thousands of pieces by sight.
Pop music isn't regarded the same way, and obviously that's a good thing in many ways. But I don't think of it all as disposable product either. It is worth, for many, the time and effort of some serious deep listening, and it is possible to give focus and repeated listens to way more 50 albums a year, and still have time to listen to old favorites. I'm sure Whiney can confirm that while he heard a thousand new albums, he had time to hear many of them a few times, and still had time for his own collection.
― Fastnbulbous, Monday, 3 January 2011 08:04 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm sure anyone in this thread could recognize 1,000s of pieces of music. And I'm sure there are art critics who specialize in Renaissance art, modern art, Japanese art, etc. Your analogy is not good.
― tears of a self-clowning oven (The Reverend), Monday, 3 January 2011 08:12 (thirteen years ago) link
Moreover, while art critics certainly know a great deal about art history and the evolution of art overtime, schools of art etc., it would be ludicrous to suggest that someone is incapable of talking or writing incisive and intelligent criticism about a piece of art due to the fact that they hadn't seen ALL (or even a lot) of the art produced in the same year.
― Alex in Montreal, Monday, 3 January 2011 08:24 (thirteen years ago) link
The problem here perhaps is equating 'good criticism' with 'distilling all of the year's music into a representative, accurate and precise top 25/50/100/whatever'.
― Alex in Montreal, Monday, 3 January 2011 08:25 (thirteen years ago) link
Like...I enjoy a good list as much as the next person, but we're arguing at cross-purposes perhaps? Some people seem to be saying that if critics listen to too few albums in a year, then they won't have sufficient breadth to be able to accurately identify the best how-ever-many albums of the year. Others are (rightfully) suggesting that breadth does not necessarily result in intelligent or nuanced analysis or discussion of records or songs.
I think there's probably a certain amount of listening that is desirable for critics to do in any given year, if only to have context for whatever genre they're discussing (or context for the generalist musical universe that they're situating albums in) - an awareness is key, to some extent.
But some kind of facile equation of more listening = better criticism is on some bullshit.
― Alex in Montreal, Monday, 3 January 2011 08:28 (thirteen years ago) link
― Alex in Montreal, Monday, January 3, 2011 12:25 AM Bookmark
Yes.
― tears of a self-clowning oven (The Reverend), Monday, 3 January 2011 09:00 (thirteen years ago) link
A long time ago I lived with a gf while she earned her art history Ph.D. Before she began her dissertation on her chosen specialty, she learned a huge amount of art, as did everyone in her program. The workload was jaw dropping, and even emotionally draining at times. But they certainly couldn't complain to their professors that their brains would only allow them to properly absorb only so much art per semester. But she could do it, and she did, because she was passionate about it. The same went for my wife in medical school. For a couple years I was listening to over a thousand new albums a year, and people around me who were casual music listeners/fans couldn't fathom that, and imagined it would be such a chore. But it wasn't. The analogy is just fine.
The more you do something, the better you get at it. You wouldn't say that listening a lot is gonna make you a worse critic, would you? "Accurate and precise" certainly has nothing to do with anything we're talking about. I'm just saying there's no reason anyone can't thoroughly absorb a lot of music. Whether they are a good writer or intelligent critic varies with the individual. But of course they can improve with more listening. How could you possibly say otherwise?
― Fastnbulbous, Monday, 3 January 2011 09:04 (thirteen years ago) link
I've already acknowledged that a certain amount of knowledge of music and having heard a breadth of historical music knowledge/listening is important. I'm not arguing with that. I'm suggesting that perhaps there is a limit to "more listening = value accrued". At some point, diminishing marginal returns apply. If you are trying to listen to AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE (and that is the only criteria) reality with imposes constraints that limit your ability to engage with that which you are listening to on anything but a cursory level.
Nobody here is making the argument that complete ignorance of music history is recommended. No one is arguing that as little listening as possible MAKES you a good critic. But how can I say otherwise? Because...I don't see how someone who has listening to 500 records in 2010 is INHERENTLY more capable of critiquing any particular album than someone who has only listened to 300, presuming that these two people otherwise have a similar grasp of music, music history, genre, etc. Every extra album listened to from the current year only "enhances" your criticism if the goal of criticism is de facto to rate/rank/compare albums from this artificially imposed period of time.
"of course they can improve with more listening" <-- improve at what specifically? how? why does more listening cause this improvement? is there a limit? is there a trade-off? I'd agree that music criticism can't be done in a vacuum, but there's a one-to-one causal relationship you're implying here that doesn't ring true.
(Hell, we may as well throw in the genre-specialist vs. generalist argument here too, ffs.)
― Alex in Montreal, Monday, 3 January 2011 09:29 (thirteen years ago) link
*reality will impose constraints
late night posting and grammar are not cooperating.
― Alex in Montreal, Monday, 3 January 2011 09:31 (thirteen years ago) link
Soooo glad I'm not a critic - must ruin it for you all
― bert, Monday, 3 January 2011 10:03 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't get this distinction. Is the good criticism the reviews you agree with it? Obv. that's wrong. Is it that you think the writer captures the music accurately? As opposed to, say, a nicely phrased metaphor that's way off base?
In that case, well I agree, but then your dichotomy is a false one.
In my opinion good writing and good understanding of the material cannot be divorced or even thought of independently except as artificial abstractions. A metaphor that doesn't fit what it's trying to describe is a bad metaphor, a failure of communication, and hence bad writing. Writing that makes you think the writer is trying to impress you rather than convey something useful or important or meaningful or insightful is bad writing.
The more you do something, the better you get at it.
Sure, but what makes someone a better reviewer: listening to 200 albums four times each, and writing 200 reviews, or listening to four albums 200 times each, and thinking about every angle on the music they can spot before sitting down to write about it?
In each case the writer is doing music critic work of the same amount. The first critic might be in a better position to tell you which out of those 200 albums are the ones you really should buy (in their opinion, it goes without saying), and also, if you like x album, which three or four other albums of the same year might be considered similar, but on pretty much every other conceivable metric the second critic is going to be in a better position to put together a good review.
Of course, I myself am now setting up a false dichotomy: in a lot of ways breadth is depth (and vice versa). When I'm thinking about genre, listening to as many examples as possible of music in that genre, and also listening to music in similar but subtly different genres, is going to inform my thinking of how the genre works - by understanding what something is not I can better articulate what it is. But now we're in the realm of strategic listening, including as one of your listening-motivants a desire to work out particular critical notions you want to develop and then deploy.
One of the reasons I haven't listened to the Kanye album is that, not only do I not expect to like it much, but also I don't expect it's going to help me develop the ideas about music I'm interested in if I hear it - having read people like lex and al and deej talk about it I can't help but expect that my own critical reaction would simply stand in their shadow, redundant.
― Tim F, Monday, 3 January 2011 10:08 (thirteen years ago) link
Tim yr crit is always remarkable for the level of detail in describing specific tracks and contextualising that detail. I'm pretty staggered at how little breadth wise you are saying you listen (in terms of albums at least) - where/ how do you listen?
― bert, Monday, 3 January 2011 10:19 (thirteen years ago) link
Commuting and at the gym, always on crappy iPod earphones, and basically always formally or informally constructing reviews of whatever I'm listening to in my head.
― Tim F, Monday, 3 January 2011 10:59 (thirteen years ago) link
Hah! Sounds like me...but specifically in terms of your strategy? How do you choose? And this might be revealing if others answered too...
― bert, Monday, 3 January 2011 11:19 (thirteen years ago) link
How duz critics werk?
― bert, Monday, 3 January 2011 11:45 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't expect it's going to help me develop the ideas about music I'm interested in if I hear it - having read people like lex and al and deej talk about it I can't help but expect that my own critical reaction would simply stand in their shadow, redundant.
i'm kind of the opposite - when i do listen to ~hyped~ records it's in order to join in whatever discussion's going on. i rarely read substantive criticism of anything before consuming it myself - once i have, then i go back and voraciously read other people's opinions. this rarely actually happens with albums i don't think i'll like, my primary motivation for seeking music out remains the pleasure principle (regardless of whether i think it'll help me "develop my ideas" or not)
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Monday, 3 January 2011 12:25 (thirteen years ago) link
dj history top 50 tracks of 2010 - http://www.djhistory.com/features/the-furtive-50-2010
― just sayin, Monday, 3 January 2011 12:55 (thirteen years ago) link
Jefre Cantu-Ledesma , "Love is a Stream" - this is the guy from Tarentel and also The Alps (I think). It's post-MBV Fennesz-y guitar textures. Really well done, and some people have raved about it, but on first listen it all seemed kind of familiar to me.
Jon Mueller, "The Whole" - drums and chanting and stuff, with some dulcimer giving it an eastern vibe. This probably says more about my own field of reference, but it reminded me a bit of some of the Microphones stuff off Mount Eerie (you know the stuff with loads of drums on them?), but a bit less washed-out if that makes sense.
The Fun Years, "God Was Like, No" - good droney stuff, got a drifting Labradford-ish feel to it, guitar tones floating around in a fog of electronic crackles. Listening to it again now and it sounds pretty cool.
Altar Eagle, "Mechanical Gardens" - Maybe a bit like Cold Cave soundwise, but heavier on the electronic textural stuff. Cutesy boy/girl vocals make it sound very old school indie, but there are some decent songs.
BJ Nilsen, "The Invisible City" - Classic ambient Touch stuff, but drawing on more urban and industrial sounds than something like Biosphere.
― O Permaban (NickB), Monday, 3 January 2011 12:56 (thirteen years ago) link
Gonna be using the word 'stuff' a lot today btw.
― O Permaban (NickB), Monday, 3 January 2011 12:57 (thirteen years ago) link
The North Sea, "Bloodlines"
Locrian, "The Crystal World"
these are both great. north sea is the guy who runs digitalis label. played that a bunch. and the locrian is wonderful. dark and atmospheric "post-metal".
actually like the north sea album more than the tarentel dude's album. but i like that too.
― scott seward, Monday, 3 January 2011 13:21 (thirteen years ago) link
this rarely actually happens with albums i don't think i'll like, my primary motivation for seeking music out remains the pleasure principle (regardless of whether i think it'll help me "develop my ideas" or not)
"develop my ideas" looks stupid doesn't it. This part at least is the same for me - the only area where critical interest exists without anticipation of pleasure is with hyped dance records, esp. if they're so close but so far from something I'd like. Like I had a sinking feeling that I knew what "Footcrab" would be (and I did) but felt obliged to check it anyway; I even bothered to check out the Darkstar album.
I wouldn't do this with rap albums and even less with rock albums, in both cases because I don't really feel like i have much of a stake in the critical conversations about the genres as a whole, my engagement is more record-by-record.
― Tim F, Monday, 3 January 2011 14:13 (thirteen years ago) link
NickB, scott -- thanks much
― slouching, unshaven, thick-necked, unstylish, pig-eyed (ilxor), Monday, 3 January 2011 14:43 (thirteen years ago) link
isnt whiney supposed to be "releasing" his year-end list today or something?
― slouching, unshaven, thick-necked, unstylish, pig-eyed (ilxor), Monday, 3 January 2011 15:10 (thirteen years ago) link
One last album to hear...
― our man flint flo$$y (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 3 January 2011 15:13 (thirteen years ago) link
i remember he said it was "dropping" on some date alright, sort of like an album art teaser
― zvookster, Monday, 3 January 2011 15:13 (thirteen years ago) link
I gave myself a deadline that i am blowing through
― our man flint flo$$y (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 3 January 2011 15:15 (thirteen years ago) link
Radio K lists:http://www.radiok.org/top-77-voting/
― Pete Scholtes, Monday, 3 January 2011 15:16 (thirteen years ago) link
you realize now that you've dropped this hint, you need to tell us the name of this FINAL IMPORTANT 2010 ALBUM WHICH YOU SAVED UNTIL JAN. 3, 2010 TO FINALLY HEAR -- right?
― slouching, unshaven, thick-necked, unstylish, pig-eyed (ilxor), Monday, 3 January 2011 15:16 (thirteen years ago) link
JAN. 3, 2011 *
gahhhh ilxor fail
If you really want to know, i have to finish up this Kevin Drumm box that has a good chance of making it on the list
― our man flint flo$$y (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 3 January 2011 15:17 (thirteen years ago) link
!!! NICE
i ordered that shit last week
― slouching, unshaven, thick-necked, unstylish, pig-eyed (ilxor), Monday, 3 January 2011 15:18 (thirteen years ago) link
Fastnbulbous, who do you write all your reviews for?
― curmudgeon, Monday, 3 January 2011 15:19 (thirteen years ago) link
www.fastnbulbous.com, duh
― slouching, unshaven, thick-necked, unstylish, pig-eyed (ilxor), Monday, 3 January 2011 15:19 (thirteen years ago) link
btw, Pitchfork 2010 Readers Poll results are up
This is our third readers' poll. Once again, we had more than 30,000 responses. This feature is always particularly interesting for the Pitchfork staff, especially as a point of comparison with our year-end coverage. There are always both a lot of overlap and some intriguing differences. Here's how it broke down.Top 50 Albums01. Arcade Fire: The Suburbs02. Kanye West: My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy03. The National: High Violet04. Beach House: Teen Dream05. LCD Soundsystem: This Is Happening06. Deerhunter: Halcyon Digest07. Sufjan Stevens: The Age of Adz08. Joanna Newsom: Have One on Me09. Sleigh Bells: Treats10. Vampire Weekend: Contra
Top 50 Albums
01. Arcade Fire: The Suburbs02. Kanye West: My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy03. The National: High Violet04. Beach House: Teen Dream05. LCD Soundsystem: This Is Happening06. Deerhunter: Halcyon Digest07. Sufjan Stevens: The Age of Adz08. Joanna Newsom: Have One on Me09. Sleigh Bells: Treats10. Vampire Weekend: Contra
you can pretty much guess how it goes from there, right?
http://pitchfork.com/features/staff-lists/7892-2010-pitchfork-readers-poll
― slouching, unshaven, thick-necked, unstylish, pig-eyed (ilxor), Monday, 3 January 2011 15:23 (thirteen years ago) link
this is where the Pfork poll gets kinda interesting -- albums w/ the highest % of #1 votes
(nice graphic, too!)
http://cdn.pitchfork.com/media/BestAlbum_FINAL_NoCopy.jpg
― slouching, unshaven, thick-necked, unstylish, pig-eyed (ilxor), Monday, 3 January 2011 15:31 (thirteen years ago) link
The metal readers poll is way better (thanks to ilxor for posting it on the metal poll thread)01. Kylesa: Spiral Shadow
02. Deftones: Diamond Eyes
03. High on Fire: Snakes for the Divine
04. Alcest: Écailles de Lune
05. Shining: Blackjazz
06. The Body: All the Waters of the Earth Turn to Blood
07. Agalloch: Marrow of the Spirit
08. Nachtmystium: Addicts: Black Meddle, Part II
09. Watain: Lawless Darkness
10. Harvey Milk: A Small Turn of Human Kindness
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 3 January 2011 15:33 (thirteen years ago) link
hahahi think all ten of those albums made my 40-album ballot for the ILX metal poll O_O
i'd rerank them but whiney would tell me to take my data-dumping elsewhere
― slouching, unshaven, thick-necked, unstylish, pig-eyed (ilxor), Monday, 3 January 2011 15:37 (thirteen years ago) link
ILXOR CAN YOU EVEN READ A RANKED LIST OF ANYTHING WITHOUT SHITTING ALL OVER IT
― slouching, unshaven, thick-necked, unstylish, pig-eyed (ilxor), Monday, 3 January 2011 15:38 (thirteen years ago) link
Only one i dont care for is the Watain. Only heard the deftones once and it was ok, another good deftones album but not as good as white pony.
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 3 January 2011 15:40 (thirteen years ago) link
another good deftones album but not as good as white pony.
you pretty much have to let go of this truth in order to enjoyably listen to any other deftones album ;_;
white pony is on its own plane
― slouching, unshaven, thick-necked, unstylish, pig-eyed (ilxor), Monday, 3 January 2011 15:41 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah i know. As I said, it was still a good enough album.
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 3 January 2011 15:42 (thirteen years ago) link
Brainwashed.com Top 25 Albums of 2010
1. Swans, "My Father Will Guide Me Up a Rope to the Sky"2. Current 93, "Baalstorm, Sing Omega"3. Yellow Swans , "Going Places "4. Grinderman, "Grinderman 2"5. Oneohtrix Point Never, "Returnal"6. Brian McBride, "The Effective Disconnect (Music Composed for the Documentary Vanishing of the Bees)"7. Autechre, "Move of Ten"8. The Legendary Pink Dots, "Seconds Late for the Brighton Line"9. Philip Jeck, "An Ark For The Listener"10. Sun City Girls, "Funeral Mariachi"11. Pan Sonic, "Gravitoni"12. Emeralds , "Does It Look Like I'm Here?"13. James Blackshaw, "All Is Falling"14. Cyclobe, "Wounded Galaxies Tap at The Window"15. Michael Gira, "I Am Not Insane"16. Thee Silver Mt. Zion Memorial Orchestra, "Kollaps Tradixionales"17. Barn Owl, "Ancestral Star"18. Flying Lotus, "Cosmogramma"19. JG Thirlwell, "Manorexia: The Mesopelagic Waters"20. Current 93, "Haunted Waves, Moving Graves"21. Demdike Stare, "Liberation Through Hearing"22. Demdike Stare , "Voices Of Dust "23. Keith Fullerton Whitman, "Disingenuity/Disingenuousness"24. The Fall, "Your Future, Our Clutter"25. Eleh , "Location Momentum"
albums go all the way to top 100 on the site (http://brainwashed.com) along w/ top EPs & singles, vault/reissues, various artists comps, artist/label/new artist of the year, lifetime achievement (RIP sleazy), and worst album (lol Vampire Weekend)
totally worth a look
― slouching, unshaven, thick-necked, unstylish, pig-eyed (ilxor), Monday, 3 January 2011 15:47 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm way way way behind on this discussion. Anyway, I probably listen to as many or more albums a year as anybody here -- posted my Top 150 (plus 30 or so also-rans -- though admittedly including reissues and a few '09 albums I didn't hear until this year) on another thread, and those are only albums I liked. I've done that for three of the past four years, I think. I listened to hundreds more (or at least parts of hundreds, maybe even a thousand, more -- most of them I only made it through a few songs), and that doesn't even count all the old (mostly '70s and '80s) LPs I found in dollar bins and listened to this year (wrote about a lot of those on the Rolling Country and Rolling Past Expiry Hard Rock threads). And guess what? It was easy.
And I had no problem finding time to watch TV and read books and go out on Saturdays and have a family life (which I spend at least as much time on as listening to music) and cook meals (usually with old vinyl on in the background) and all that other stuff that people who listen to so many records supposedly never have time to do. Obviously I have some major advantages -- I get CDs free in the mail every day (plus downloads in the email, which I usually ignore unless I'm getting paid otherwise), I have a free Rhapsody account (I write for them) so I can check out new music that I don't get free in the mail if I want to (or if editors want me to write about), writing about music freelance is my fulltime gig so I don't have a day job cutting into my time, etc. So if none of that was true, maybe I wouldn't be listening to so much. And though obviously I'd listen to some of them more if time was infinite, for the most part I think I listen to all of those records as much as they each deserve to be listened to -- which is the same as how much I want to listen to them. In other words, unless I've got an assignment, I don't listen to music because I think I "should"; I listen because I want to. And obviously the albums high on my list tend to be the ones I tended to listen to more. When you get down toward 150, there are probably albums I only listened to a couple times. (Never less than that, because I don't file anything until I've listened to it at least twice.) I guess that's not "in depth" enough for some people on that thread, but it's usually in-depth enough for me to know whether I like a record or not. (I don't recommend that people buy all -- or maybe even any! -- of the records on my list; as I explain on the other thread, that'd probably just make me a hypocrite, because I don't really buy music myself, except for old dollar-bin records. I'm just keeping track of music I've had a positive reaction to -- A lot of which I have more to say about than "I like it"; I review a pretty good chunk of the records on my list, and I'm good at it. But lots of which I have nothing to say about at all, really. Which doesn't negate me liking it. And probably if somebody offered to pay me for even those, I'd find something to say.) I've never understood this idea that you have to listen to an album 100 times to know what's there; obviously there are albums that you can keep learning new things about if you do that, but they're really, really rare. And if they're that good, again, I'll want to listen 100 times. Don't think that's happened lately.
I also don't really feel any compulsion to "keep up" with what other critics are liking, for the most part, though there are critics all the time who make me curious about specific releases. And it's hard for me to understand how other people who love music wouldn't be curious about tons of what's out there. To me, it just comes naturally. On the other hand, I wouldn't say that the way I listen is how other critics should listen -- One of my favorite critics apparently listens to basically no albums at all (he just votes for singles in Pazz & Jop, often ones that people put on mix CDs for him in November); maybe my favorite critic of the past 20 years listened to just a handful of albums through most of this year, and then spent Decemeber cramming. I couldn't do that -- If I like an album a lot, I want to live with it for a while to let it become part of my life, and I don't really trust my judgement with albums that I suddenly love in December. (Yelawolf might've had a shot at my P&J ballot had I heard it before I filed my ballot, but even if I'd heard it on Thanksgiving, I might not've been comfortable listing it. Still not sure how much I like it. If I end up loving it, and not getting tired of it, and playing it steadily all through 2011, I may decide to be a year-of-impact weirdo and vote for it next year, who knows.)
Also don't see how my lists would be more interesting (or more fun, or more trustworthy, or whatever) if I only listened to one genre. I just don't get that; it makes no sense to me at all. I'm incapable of wanting to just hear one genre, or even sticking within a genre when I'm supposed to. (Have sort of made a career of doing otherwise.) They all overlap anyway. (I file country lists every year for the Nashville Scene poll, and some of those always make my P&J ballot too. But as a whole, by definition, I like my P&J records more -- because they're drawn from a wider pool of applicants.) But again, I'm not everybody. Some critics are real good just writing about one kind of music, and right, having a speciality has its advantages, for some critics, in terms of finding a niche and getting assignments. But that's just not how I hear the world. (Though I've managed to specialize on particular genres at different times of my writing career regardless-- just not to exclusion of also writing about other stuff.)
― xhuxk, Monday, 3 January 2011 16:01 (thirteen years ago) link
I guess that's not "in depth" enough for some people on that thread, but it's usually in-depth enough for me to know whether I like a record or not.
the ppl who were making a statement about how many albums ppl 'should' listen to were the folks advocating that critics listen to as many as possible & suggesting it was like a responsibility iirc, not those defending their right to focus on less
― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Monday, 3 January 2011 16:13 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean, i do believe that trying to listen 'comprehensively' is a fool's game tho. not to mention impossible
― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Monday, 3 January 2011 16:17 (thirteen years ago) link
XXL 100 best mixtapes of 2010
100. Los - Shooter99. Das Racist - Shut Up, Dude98. Outasight - Never Say Never97. Terrace Martin - Here, My Dear96. Ra Diggs - Pray for My Enemies95. Bishop Lamont - The Shawshank Redemption: Angola 394. Uncle Murda - More Murda93. Redman - Pancakes & Syrup92. Game - The Red Room91. Curt@!n$ - The Dissertation : The Wu-Thesis
90. Soulja Boy - Legendary89. Slim Thug - Pimpin' Slim88. Termanology - 50 Bodies Vol. 387. Young Buck - Back On My Buck Shit Vol. 2: Change Of Plans86. Diggy Simmons - Past Presents Future85. Fashawn - Grizzly City 384. Droop-E - Blvck Diamond Life83. Jay Rock - Black Friday82. Reks - In Between the Lines 281. STS - Demand More 2
80. Casiddy - Apply Pressure 279. Killa Kyleon - Natural Born Killa78. Jae Millz - Dead Presidents77. Pac Div - Don't Mention It76. Mistah F.A.B. - The Realest Shit I Never Wrote Pt. 375. Pastor Troy - G.I. Troy: Strictly 4 My Soldiers74. Jon Connor - Vinnie Chase Season 173. Moe Green - Rocky Maivia: Non-Title Match72. Lil Twist - The Takeover: Carte Blanche Edition71. Young Dro - Dro Street
70. As far as I can tell, there is no #7069. Red Cafe - No Witnesses68. Asher Roth - Seared Foie Gras with Quince and Cranberry67. Cyhi da Prynce - Royal Flush66. Travis Porter - Nicki (Strip Club Anthems)65. Kid Daytona - The Interlude64. Styles P & Sheek Louch - The Ghost and the Gorilla63. Plies - You Need People Like Me62. Theophilus London - I Want You61. Bow Wow - Green Light II
60. Maino - Art of War59. Yo Gotti - Cocaine Muzik 458. Mickey Factz - I'm Better Than You57. Reek da Villian - The Gift: The Mixtape Album56. Curt@!n$ - Killer Tape55. Young Jeezy - The Last Laugh54. XV - Vizzy Zone53. The Cool Kids - Tacklebox52. Smoke DZA - George Kush da Button51. Pill - 1140 - The Overdose
50. Jim Jones - The Ghost of Rich Porter49. Nipsey Hussle - The Marathon48. Emilio Rojas - Life Without Shame47. Trae tha Truth - Trae Day46. Meek Mill - Flamerz 345. Dead Prez - Revolutionary But Gangsta Grillz44. Chip tha Ripper - Independence Day43. Mac Miller - K.I.D.S.42. Joell Ortiz & Novel - Defying the Predictable41. Gucci Mane - Mr. Zone 6
40. Fred the Godson - Armageddon39. Laws - 5:01 Overtime38. Scarface - Dopeman Music37. Consequence - Movies on Demand36. Playboy Tre - The Last Call35. Raekwon - Cocainism Vol. 234. B.o.B - May 25th33. Cyhi da Prynce - Prynce of Jacks32. Jadakiss - The Champ Is Here III31. Young Chris - The Re-introduction
30. Machine Gun Kelly - Lace Up29. Game - Brake Lights28. Diggy Simmons - Airborne27. Lil B - Everything Based26. Fashawn - Ode to Illmatic25. L.E.P. Bogus Boys - Don’t Feed da Killaz Volume 324. Vado - Slime Flu23. Odd Future - Radical22. Rick Ross - Ashes to Ashes21. Dom Kennedy - From the Westside With Love
20. Young Jeezy - Trap or Die 219. Donnis - Fashionably Late18. Bun B - No Mixtape17. Whale - More About Nothing16. Cam'Ron - Boss of All Bosses 215. Royce Da 5’9” - Bar Exam 3: The Most Interesting Man14. B.o.B - No Genre13. Big Sean - Finally Famous Vol. 3: B.I.G.12. Chris Brown & Tyga - Fan of a Fan11. Tech N9ne - Bad Season
10. Yelawolf - Trunk Muzik9. T.I. - Fuck a Mixtape8. Kendrick Lamar - Overly Dedicated7. Freddie Gibbs - Str8 Killa No Filla6. Joe Budden - Mood Muzik 4: A Turn 4 The Worst5. J. Cole - Friday Night Lights4. Rick Ross - The Albert Anastasia EP3. Big K.R.I.T. - K.R.I.T Wuz Here2. Fabolous - There Is No Competition 2: The Funeral Service1. Wiz Khalifa - Kush & OJ
― tears of a self-clowning oven (The Reverend), Monday, 3 January 2011 16:18 (thirteen years ago) link
wild
― our man flint flo$$y (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 3 January 2011 16:19 (thirteen years ago) link
weird list
― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Monday, 3 January 2011 16:20 (thirteen years ago) link
i didnt know Droop-E had a tape. Kinda wanna hear it
― our man flint flo$$y (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 3 January 2011 16:29 (thirteen years ago) link
it's aight. it's all smooth sade rips and not the usual bay slaps
― tears of a self-clowning oven (The Reverend), Monday, 3 January 2011 16:30 (thirteen years ago) link
i'd really just rather put on love deluxe.
― tears of a self-clowning oven (The Reverend), Monday, 3 January 2011 16:31 (thirteen years ago) link
all lightweight, no jammin?
― our man flint flo$$y (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 3 January 2011 16:32 (thirteen years ago) link
haha basically.
― tears of a self-clowning oven (The Reverend), Monday, 3 January 2011 16:33 (thirteen years ago) link
individual songs off it are cool but its not that fun to listen to as a whole tape cuz it just makes u want to listen to sade yeah
― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Monday, 3 January 2011 16:37 (thirteen years ago) link
also, his rapping sucks
Yeah, the instrumentals are actually my favourite bits of the Droop-E tape.
― Number None, Monday, 3 January 2011 16:40 (thirteen years ago) link
some really awful stuff on there esp in the top 20 but some stuff i missed & will check for
― flopson, Monday, 3 January 2011 17:09 (thirteen years ago) link
does datpiff do a year end list
― flopson, Monday, 3 January 2011 17:10 (thirteen years ago) link
I can't really use Tim as an example. I've read his reviews, and most are well written and well thought out, just as his response upthread is. So yes it's possible for certain writers to be good critics without listening to a ton of music. But not everyone is like him.
Personally I just can't relate to not having the compulsion to hear the Kanye album, as annoying as some of the hype is about it. I just have a preference for writers who have that compulsion.
One example is Nine Inch Nails' Pretty Hate Machine, which I've been thinking about as I've listened to the reissue several times this past week. I remember being annoyed by some reviews that treated it as this revolutionary album that came out of nowhere, and was completely ignorant of the context it came out of -- Killing Joke, Coil, KMFDM, even The The and Big Black. Bad criticism. That made me want to dismiss it completely in favor of Godflesh's Streetcleaner. Soon enough though, I was compelled to go back and listen to PHM more and recognize that it's not simply "watered down" industrial, but that it does accomplish something significant with the songwriting, hooks and teen angst lyrics. I felt that many critics lacked the big picture in being aware of let alone having heard the antecedents to those two bands. And too many weren't even aware of either at the time. Bad critics!
Going back to Kanye, I heard the album, and though he annoys me sometimes, I liked a lot of the album. It has major flaws, but did make my top 200. But I feel that a lot of the critics that gave it a perfect 5 stars or 10 or whatever were seriously missing the bigger picture. Like some of them have maybe listened to less than even a few albums a month. Less than three weeks later, Diddy/Dirty Money released a better album. Yet it's been relatively ignored. Perhaps it was easier to skip it than acknowledge that just maybe the Kanye album wasn't so perfect. Some may say this example is flawed because of deadlines and release dates. Weren't promos released of the Diddy album a few weeks in advance? It should have been enough time for most poll deadlines.
Sure, but what makes someone a better reviewer: listening to 200 albums four times each, and writing 200 reviews, or listening to four albums 200 times each, and thinking about every angle on the music they can spot before sitting down to write about it?In each case the writer is doing music critic work of the same amount. The first critic might be in a better position to tell you which out of those 200 albums are the ones you really should buy (in their opinion, it goes without saying), and also, if you like x album, which three or four other albums of the same year might be considered similar, but on pretty much every other conceivable metric the second critic is going to be in a better position to put together a good review.
I'd say it's likely that a critic would simply go insane after having heard the same 4 albums 200 times, and wouldn't be much good for anything! Especially if they didn't even like those albums, ha ha. And if they only heard those 4 albums that year, well, I'd certainly be fascinated with what they came up with, but I would be more interested in following a critic who has listened to 300 or more albums, even if they only review a fraction of them. I'm not so interested in critics who only listen to what they're assigned.
One of the benefits you get with listening to a lot of music, is the skill of getting a lot out of the first few listens. It takes practice, and some are better than others, but yes, it is possible to form an intelligent, thorough analysis based on as few as three listens. When I used to write more reviews, I would continue to re-listen as I write, and if I'm struggling with it or I simply had the time to write the best review possible, I did end up playing it six times, twelve times, or more. A few more challenging albums did require more listens to prepare, but not that many. But some of my favorite reviews were started after the first two listens and completed in three.
It sounds like Chuck does listen usually many more than a few times. He's been doing it for at least 25 years and I'm always impressed by his writing and criticism, even though his personal year-end choices often mystify me!
Who said anything about comprehensive? Let's talk about what's possible. There are some people who do nothing but read or watch tv every waking hour. It's difficult to do anything else while doing those things, other than, say, eat. At least with music you can do housework, walk, run, bike, drive, work, write, read, cook, make love, even doze or nap and let the music marinate in your subconsciousness. Heck, when I was in college and injured during cross country, there were underwater speakers in the pool. I could pop in a tape and listen to music while I swam! So let's assume a healthy sleep schedule of 8 hours a day. That leaves 16 hours. Even if the albums averaged an hour (probably more like 40-45 minutes), that's at least 5,840 albums. That's what's possible. What I'm suggesting is merely that one listen to significantly more that 50 albums. Whether that's 80 or 300 or 1,000, it's not only possible, but reasonable.
No one gets paid much for this. So I assume people do it because they like it, and it's a pleasure to listen to a lot of music, often. So yeah, there are critics who don't do that. I don't get why they don't, and I certainly don't have to trust their criticism.
― Fastnbulbous, Monday, 3 January 2011 18:05 (thirteen years ago) link
Ok, yall, here's my Top 100 of 2010 as promised:
1. Harvey Milk – A Small Turn Of Human Kindness2. Big Boi – Sir Lucious Left Foot: The Son of Chico Dusty3. Kanye West - My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy4. Linkin Park – A Thousand Suns5. Yelawolf - Trunk Music: 0-606. E-40 – Revenue Retrievin’: Day Shift7. Waka Flocka Flame – Flockaveli8. The Chemical Brothers – Further9. Sightings – City Of Straw10. Rick Ross - Teflon Don11. Robyn – Body Talk12. Rangda – False Flag13. Diddy-Dirty Money – Last Train To Paris14. James Blackshaw – All Is Falling15. Sleigh Bells - Treats16. Janelle Monaé – The ArchAndroid17. Anika - Anika18. Goldfrapp – Head First19. Zs – New Slaves20. Aloe Blacc – Good Things21. Mike Patton – Mondo Cane22. Drunkdriver - Drunkdriver23. The Books – The Way Out24. William Tyler – Behold The Spirit25. Slices – Cruising26. Grinderman – Grinderman 227. Titus Andronicus – The Monitor28. Against Me! – White Crosses29. K-X-P – K-X-P30. Johnny Cash – American VI: Ain’t No Grave31. Roc Marciano – Marcberg32. Yellow Swans – Going Places33. Roach Gigz – Roachy Balboa34. Dillinger Escape Plan – Option Paralysis35. Robin Fox – A Handful Of Automation36. Tyler, The Creator - Bastard37. Tobacco – Maniac Meat38. Rotting Christ - Aealo39. Big K.R.I.T. – K.R.I.T. Was Here40. Cristal – Homegoing41. Seijaku – Mail From Fushitsusha42. Wormrot – Abuse43. Ufomammut - Eve44. Julie Christmas – The Bad Wife45. Jatoma - Jatoma46. Keith Fullerton Whitman - Generator47. The Oh Sees – Warm Slime48. Gangrene (Oh No + Alchemist) – Gutter Water49. Kylesa – Spiral Shadow50. Sharon Van Etten – Epic51. Triptykon - Eparistera Daimones52. Celph Titled & Buckwild – Nineteen Ninety Now53. Mark Ribot – Silent Movies54. Fennesz Daniell Buck – Knoxville55. Swans - My Father Will Guide Me Up A Rope To The Sky56. Hannibal Buress – My Name Is Hannibal57. Hauschka – Foreign Landscape58. El-P - Weareallgoingtoburninhell Megamixxx359. The-Dream – Love King60. The Fall- Your Future Our Clutter61. Hot Chip – One Life Stand62. The Austerity Program – Backsliders & Apostates Will Burn63. Koen Holtcamp – Gravity/Bees64. Fat Joe – The Darkside, Vol. 165. Cloudland Canyon – Fin Eaves66. Twilight - Monument To Time End67. Noveller – Desert Fires68. Mike Watt – Hyphenated Man69. Arp – The Soft Wave70. Eleh – Location Momentum71. Gonjasufi - A Sufi And A Killer72. Eluvium – Static Nocturne73. On - Something That Has Form And Something That Does Not 74. Sun City Girls – Funeral Mariachi75. Ciara – Basic Instinct76. Pan Sonic – Gravitoni77. Child Abuse – Cut And Run78. Agalloch – Marrow Of The Spirit79. Gil-Scott Heron – I’m New Here 80. The Fun Years – God Was Like, No81. Emeralds - Does It Look Like I’m Here?82. Earl Sweatshirt - Earl83. Twista – The Perfect Storm84. Dawnbringer – Nucleus85. Yeasayer – Odd Blood86. John Zorn –Ipissimus87. Clockcleaner – Auf Wiedershen88. Zola Jesus - Stridulum EP89. Dosh – Tommy90. Juan Maclean – DJ Kicks91. Daniel Higgs – Say God92. Twin Stumps - Seedbed93. Ken Camden - Lethargy & Repercussion94. Sculpture – Rotary Signal Emitter95. Ted Leo & The Pharmacists – The Brutalist Bricks96. Robert Hood - Omega97. Aun –VII 98. Kayo Dot – Coyote99. The Thermals – Personal Life 100. Max Richter – Infra
― our man flint flo$$y (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 3 January 2011 18:25 (thirteen years ago) link
ooOOoooooo pretty
― billstevejim, Monday, 3 January 2011 18:28 (thirteen years ago) link
the metal picks are great
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 3 January 2011 18:29 (thirteen years ago) link
There's another band called On?
― billstevejim, Monday, 3 January 2011 18:30 (thirteen years ago) link
Who said anything about comprehensive? Let's talk about what's possible. There are some people who do nothing but read or watch tv every waking hour. It's difficult to do anything else while doing those things, other than, say, eat. At least with music you can do housework, walk, run, bike, drive, work, write, read, cook, make love, even doze or nap and let the music marinate in your subconsciousness. Heck, when I was in college and injured during cross country, there were underwater speakers in the pool. I could pop in a tape and listen to music while I swam!
This was me about ten years ago in terms of 'always listening to something' -- as time passed, this is far less true, though I have access to a huge amount of music now as we all do. I've gently refocused my direct attention into other areas of life while still maintaining my interest and my goal to write about what I like as I do. Not everyone will take my path, obviously, but I'm not going to write off the opinions of others who aren't on that wavelength -- I mean, c'mon.
(FWIW -- I haven't heard the new Kanye album yet in full and I'm not in an immediate rush to do so; if that invalidates my thoughts then hey, I can't change your mind, can I?)
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 3 January 2011 18:33 (thirteen years ago) link
Since we are talking about "comprehensive listening" and all that, I'll add that my electronic and world listening were a little slimmer than usual in 2010 and it def shows on my top 100. Though lots of world ish (King Sunny Ade, Red Baraat, Brass Menažeri Balkan Brass Band) just missed the cut
― our man flint flo$$y (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 3 January 2011 18:34 (thirteen years ago) link
Did anybody on ILX successfully change anybody's mind about anything in 2010?
― Kip Squashbeef (pixel farmer), Monday, 3 January 2011 18:35 (thirteen years ago) link
One wonders.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 3 January 2011 18:36 (thirteen years ago) link
I think Geir put some people off some white boys with guitars
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 3 January 2011 18:37 (thirteen years ago) link
One example is Nine Inch Nails' Pretty Hate Machine, which I've been thinking about as I've listened to the reissue several times this past week. I remember being annoyed by some reviews that treated it as this revolutionary album that came out of nowhere, and was completely ignorant of the context it came out of -- Killing Joke, Coil, KMFDM, even The The and Big Black. Bad criticism.
how familiar are u w/ millenial-era hip hop that kanye was working with, jay-z's dynasty, kanye's work for beanie sigel, the roc a fella philly/ny axis in general, no i.d. and the chicago scene kanye came from, the ruff ryders / tunnel stuff that kanye's soul steez was a reaction to? just wondering
― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Monday, 3 January 2011 18:47 (thirteen years ago) link
It has major flaws, but did make my top 200. But I feel that a lot of the critics that gave it a perfect 5 stars or 10 or whatever were seriously missing the bigger picture. Like some of them have maybe listened to less than even a few albums a month. Less than three weeks later, Diddy/Dirty Money released a better album. Yet it's been relatively ignored. Perhaps it was easier to skip it than acknowledge that just maybe the Kanye album wasn't so perfect. Some may say this example is flawed because of deadlines and release dates. Weren't promos released of the Diddy album a few weeks in advance? It should have been enough time for most poll deadlines.
do u really think that even 10% of the critics fawning over kanye would have smacked themselves in the forehead and gone 'i cant believe i missed this!' about a diddy record? i prefer the diddy lp but my values are difft than most critics
― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Monday, 3 January 2011 18:49 (thirteen years ago) link
i agree w/ the importance of being knowledgeable, but i disagree w/ the idea that being knowledgeable is a simple matter of quantity
― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Monday, 3 January 2011 18:50 (thirteen years ago) link
like, discernment is a more critical skill, imo
― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Monday, 3 January 2011 18:51 (thirteen years ago) link
i could get not having that compulsion if you weren't interested in hip-hop. or pop. or hadn't enjoyed anything in kanye's career before. or hated the pre-album material so much that you just plain didn't want to hear the album.
Less than three weeks later, Diddy/Dirty Money released a better album. Yet it's been relatively ignored. Perhaps it was easier to skip it than acknowledge that just maybe the Kanye album wasn't so perfect. Some may say this example is flawed because of deadlines and release dates. Weren't promos released of the Diddy album a few weeks in advance? It should have been enough time for most poll deadlines.
haha major label promos released a few weeks in advance of release? in our dreams. i officially haven't received mine yet (its uk release date is this month). but yeah i would like more critics to interrogate why they choose to listen to the albums they do, because i'm pretty sure the decision to listen to kanye but not diddy/dirty money was a pretty common one, and would have been regardless of release dates. i'd actually guess that most critics i know - even the ones on this very thread talking about how many albums they've heard - haven't bothered with half of my 2010 favourites. (fastnbulbous and whiney, did you hear the fantasia, k michelle, ikonika, ciara, busy signal, guido, dj nate, tracey thorn, ellen allien, we love and laura marling albums?)
One of the benefits you get with listening to a lot of music, is the skill of getting a lot out of the first few listens. It takes practice, and some are better than others, but yes, it is possible to form an intelligent, thorough analysis based on as few as three listens.
actually this is true - i've definitely been able to train myself to listen closely enough to write about something on v few listens, it just takes concentration. obv it's not ideal but it's how this business actually works if you're making a living from it - tim w/all due respect, i don't think you can really ask any professional critic to opt for listening to 4 albums 200 times over 200 albums 4 times.
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Monday, 3 January 2011 19:01 (thirteen years ago) link
it isn't, but it's not unconnected - how do you feel about all those indie rock critics who vote for kanye or big boi or whoever as their token hip-hop lp, and blithely proclaim it the best hip-hop release of the year, when they obviously haven't bothered to listen to any other rap albums?
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Monday, 3 January 2011 19:02 (thirteen years ago) link
this is ridiculous. i'm not especially interested in post-dubstep or whatever, but if every single critic in every single magazine was unanimously saying that "Ramadanman" was the most amazing record of the year, you bet I'd want to hear it.
― darwin deej (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 3 January 2011 19:04 (thirteen years ago) link
A guy I worked with at the beginning of the decade was heavily involved in the Chicago scene and gave me plenty of mixes and CDrs of that stuff, and Kanye's productions. I wasn't into it enough that I remember it all, but if I were to review the Kanye album, I'd probably revisit a lot of it.
A guy I worked with at the beginning of the decade was heavily involved in the Chicago scene and gave me plenty of mixes and CDrs of that stuff, and Kanye's productions. I enjoyed them, but wasn't deep into it enough that I remember it all, but if I were to review the Kanye album, I'd certainly revisit a lot of it.
do u really think that even 10% of the critics fawning over kanye would have smacked themselves in the forehead...
Nope, I don't. Many won't bother to hear it, others won't want to even admit it could possibly even be close to as good as the Kanye, let alone better, after they gave the Kanye a perfect rating.
― Fastnbulbous, Monday, 3 January 2011 19:05 (thirteen years ago) link
"Oh Pitchfork and Vibe and Time and People and Stereogum and Spin and Rolling Stone all say this is the greatest record of the year... eh, I'm not into pop."
― darwin deej (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 3 January 2011 19:05 (thirteen years ago) link
whiney i was kinda being sarcastic! but yeah i could imagine if you're some uber-specialist reviewer of world music or whatever, yeah, why would you care about kanye? i don't think that really applies to anyone here though.
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Monday, 3 January 2011 19:07 (thirteen years ago) link
whiney-- great list.
you really want that data dump you talked about upthread?
― slouching, unshaven, thick-necked, unstylish, pig-eyed (ilxor), Monday, 3 January 2011 19:08 (thirteen years ago) link
though having said that, i never bothered to hear lcd soundsystem's latest - though i did hear the single, which is partly WHY i don't want to hear any more - and i don't think its acclaim is a reason to change that. actually the acclaim is the other reason i don't want to hear it.
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Monday, 3 January 2011 19:08 (thirteen years ago) link
First italicized paragraph was supposed to be -
how familiar are u w/ millenial-era hip hop that kanye was working with, jay-z's dynasty, kanye's work for beanie...
― Fastnbulbous, Monday, 3 January 2011 19:08 (thirteen years ago) link
indie rock critics who vote for kanye or big boi or whoever as their token hip-hop lp, and blithely proclaim it the best hip-hop release of the year, when they obviously haven't bothered to listen to any other rap albums?
^^^this is otm. and happens for metal/world/electronic/dubstep every year
ilxor, i would be honored
― darwin deej (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 3 January 2011 19:10 (thirteen years ago) link
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Monday, January 3, 2011 1:02 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
we could probably ask them, since some of them are arguing with me in this thread lol
― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Monday, 3 January 2011 19:11 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm more asking you whether you think they should listen to more rap!
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Monday, 3 January 2011 19:12 (thirteen years ago) link
i certainly think that the critics who only listened to janelle monáe and no other r&b releases should listen to a LOT more r&b
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Monday, 3 January 2011 19:13 (thirteen years ago) link
(which is sort of my point ... this celebration of 'quantity' isnt nearly as equitable as it pretends to be ... it professes some sort of superior awareness but can be just as blind to its own biases as a dude who hears 40 albums in one year)
― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Monday, 3 January 2011 19:13 (thirteen years ago) link
― darwin deej (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, January 3, 2011 1:04 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
this is exactly why these lists end up being an echo chamber type deal, dude
^^yeah i'd agree with that - even if you're listening to 200 albums per year you're going to have to self-select to an extent and you're going to overlook stuff beloved by other critics
xp to deej re: blind spots
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Monday, 3 January 2011 19:14 (thirteen years ago) link
fantasia, k michelle, ikonika [#279], ciara, busy signal, guido [#230], dj nate, tracey thorn, ellen allien [#182], we love and laura marling [#73]
I put in brackets where the ones were ranked in my list above. I heard We Love and Ciara, but they didn't make it. I should listen to them again. I just do this for fun ;)
― Fastnbulbous, Monday, 3 January 2011 19:15 (thirteen years ago) link
xxxp
tim w/all due respect, i don't think you can really ask any professional critic to opt for listening to 4 albums 200 times over 200 albums 4 times.
maybe this is part of the argument we're having too? practically those who are getting paid to write need to listen to a couple hundred/thousands of album per year because that is their full-time job. but again, is this because there's something inherently valuable in 'more' or because they have the opportunity to listen to more.
I feel that they definitely haven't listened to enough to proclaim something the best hip-hop release of the year, but if this is what we are arguing about then we aren't TALKING about what makes someone a good critic, we're arguing about what makes someone qualified to talk about a specific genre or niche! and again, i'd quibble with the discourse of 'best'. Or at least argue that the entire ridiculous venture of 'ordered lists of the BEST of the year' is the real culprit here, not some ideal type of music critic.
it's not the 'best' albums of the year. it's that person's favourite albums of the year. and if we were able to talk about lists like that instead of being such /guys/ about it then maybe the focus on end-of-year wrap ups would be more about interesting things that slipped under the radar, and selling each other on the merits of our personal favourites rather than arguing and complaining about whether something really merits #34 vs. #38 on a god damn list.
― Alex in Montreal, Monday, 3 January 2011 19:15 (thirteen years ago) link
like, choosing what to listen to is as much about choosing what NOT to listen to as it is deciding you're going to focus in a certain area. why should i care what critics are celebrating in the world of dubstep if that genre as a whole has little interest to me? some kind of dilletantish faux-knowledge? in an era where there are critics going in depth to discuss that genre, why front authority about ramadanman being the best of a genre i dont listen to?
― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Monday, 3 January 2011 19:15 (thirteen years ago) link
"Lots of critics liking something" is not a particularly reliable yardstick, hasn't been for decades.
― xhuxk, Monday, 3 January 2011 19:16 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean, i think outsider perspectives can be valuable, but if your outsider perspective is 'agree with what every other critic has picked as the token representative of this genre,' then it barely qualifies as an outsider perspective
― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Monday, 3 January 2011 19:17 (thirteen years ago) link
i think what im arguing here tho is that the generalist approach trying to cover a multitude of genres w/ some sort of 'objectivity' is an increasingly anachronistic style of criticism
― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Monday, 3 January 2011 19:21 (thirteen years ago) link
or maybe im just saying its not very interesting to me.
― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Monday, 3 January 2011 19:22 (thirteen years ago) link
deej, i'm saying yes it's ok to ignore "oh hai we like James Blake now" flubstep shit, but to purposefully ignore a pop movement like kanye is intentional contrarianianism
― darwin deej (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 3 January 2011 19:22 (thirteen years ago) link
i agree that "well-rounded" is increasingly anachronistic businesswise, but I still think it's more honorable to be a well-rounded culture critic like Ann Powers or Caramanica than some uk funky otaku.
― darwin deej (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 3 January 2011 19:25 (thirteen years ago) link
i guess tim will have to answer that accusation himself, but it seems to me that the kanye record is pretty irrelevant to his worldview / style of criticism
― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Monday, 3 January 2011 19:27 (thirteen years ago) link
isn't tim a pop critic?
― darwin deej (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 3 January 2011 19:29 (thirteen years ago) link
i dunno i thought u just said he was a uk funky otaku
― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Monday, 3 January 2011 19:31 (thirteen years ago) link
i wasn't talking about Tim, I was just making some critic up
― darwin deej (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 3 January 2011 19:32 (thirteen years ago) link
hes the one who said he wasnt gonna listen to kanye tho
― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Monday, 3 January 2011 19:35 (thirteen years ago) link
well it was a coincidence
― darwin deej (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 3 January 2011 19:40 (thirteen years ago) link
ilxor just emailed me his breakdown of my top 100 <3
― darwin deej (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 3 January 2011 19:41 (thirteen years ago) link
it isn't, but it's not unconnected - how do you feel about all those indie rock critics who vote for kanye or big boi or whoever as their token hip-hop lp, and blithely proclaim it the best hip-hop release of the year, when they obviously haven't bothered to listen to any other rap albums?― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Monday, January 3, 2011 1:02 PM (8 minutes ago)
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Monday, January 3, 2011 1:02 PM (8 minutes ago)
this is true & accurate etc. but it's wrong to assume these ppl haven't listened to more than big boi/kanye just because they end up putting one of these on top. i mean, i'm not a critic/writer of any type, just an enthusiastic listener who posts on ilx. i heard at least 25-30 hip-hop albums in 2010. and big boi tops my list. it doesn't mean i didnt bother to listen to any other hip-hop, it means that big boi put out the best album i heard, of 2-3 dozen.
― slouching, unshaven, thick-necked, unstylish, pig-eyed (ilxor), Monday, 3 January 2011 20:02 (thirteen years ago) link
hahah xp <3 back at ya
― slouching, unshaven, thick-necked, unstylish, pig-eyed (ilxor), Monday, 3 January 2011 20:03 (thirteen years ago) link
some uk funky otaku
Tim F. can this plz be yr display name?
― slouching, unshaven, thick-necked, unstylish, pig-eyed (ilxor), Monday, 3 January 2011 20:04 (thirteen years ago) link
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yeah I was gonna say, not sure I've actually seen much or any of the blithe proclaiming being decried here
― Scilk Mahouthy (DJ Mencap), Monday, 3 January 2011 20:53 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't doubt that there are plenty of indie-rock specialists or other types of critics who don't listen to much hip-hop who will vote for the Kanye record, but I think it's pretty shaky to assume that one album from a particular genre on a Top Ten list (i.e., PnJ ballot) is a "token" pick. Ten is a small number of records and if you're even a quasi-generalist critic you're gonna have some genres land only one album on a Top Ten and sometimes (maybe often) have genres you care about not land any.
For me, I'd say my core listening (maybe 80%) is rock/hip-hop/country, with heavier pop and R&B listening for singles and somewhat lighter pop/R&B for albums. And then some decent dabbling in Afropop, folk/blues, and more song-oriented dance/techno/whatever stuff. Sometimes a modern jazz or reggae or Latin record or whatever will enter my life in some meaningful way, but not often. And I pretty much never listen to hard metal.
Make of that what you will, but I've had years when I've had one hip-hop album on my PnJ ballot. Two this year, three last year, sometimes one. Hip-hop has been a core part of my listening as long as I've listened to music, since buying the first Run-D.M.C. on cassette and Whodini and U.T.F.O. on 45. But guess what, you can listen to a lot of hip-hop (or any other genre) and still only find one (or zero) albums that would crack your 10 faves. So what. I've got three country records this year. Some years one. Some years none. So what.
And there seems to be an implication that being more generalist is a career strategy or about trying to duplicate the critical consensus (the consensus is often right, and also often wrong) or whatever. Which is silly. For most people I know who listen to and are interested in different types of music, it's natural. It's an outgrowth of being interested in culture broadly. The combination of pluralism and intimacy is the best thing about pop music. Being interested in different kinds of music is an outgrowth of being interested in different types of people.
Write about what you want, but only caring about one specialized genre or musical subculture is some Trekkie stuff to me.
― Hubie Brown, Monday, 3 January 2011 21:47 (thirteen years ago) link
are we predicting BLANK for the P&J this year (Beach House/LCD/Arcade Fire/National/Kanye)?
― the Sonic Youths of suck (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 3 January 2011 21:57 (thirteen years ago) link
1. Kanye2. Arcade3. Monae
is my guess, but I'm probably over-estimating the Monae.
― Hubie Brown, Monday, 3 January 2011 22:00 (thirteen years ago) link
xpost, where have you been?
― darwin deej (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 3 January 2011 22:00 (thirteen years ago) link
i don't know. Chile ca. 1967.
― the Sonic Youths of suck (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 3 January 2011 22:02 (thirteen years ago) link
the joke is from 2000+ posts upthread, I'm pretty sure but nobody specifically laid it out like that...
― the Sonic Youths of suck (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 3 January 2011 22:03 (thirteen years ago) link
when is the P&J poll come out anyway
― the Sonic Youths of suck (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 3 January 2011 22:04 (thirteen years ago) link
(lol awesome grammar)
Obv the 200 listens to 4 albums thing was a gross exaggeration to make a point. And on the scale of that to 4 listens to 200 albums I'm about halfway if not further down the line to the latter approach. And normally I'm in the position of defending breadth vis a vis depth. But this thread is bothering me.
I've heard "Runaway" and "Monster" and "Power". I'm not even totally adverse to listening to the rest of the Kanye album but it's hard enough keeping up with the music I like. As long as I don't make pronouncements on the album or make statements regarding what is the "best" (as opposed to my favourite) album of the year I don't see how I am a worse critic for not listening to it.
Conversely the Diddy is probably my 2nd favourite album of the year (and may ultimately overtake Yelawolf), but then I had a strong feeling going into it that I was gonna like it. If i was checking out albums out of a sense of obligation based on what critics have said I'd be more likely to have listened to Kanye and less likely to have listened to Diddy.
I really feel like this whole conversation presupposes that the critic's highest duty is to put together a "correct" top 200 albums list, rather than talk interestingly about the music they're listening to.
― Tim F, Monday, 3 January 2011 23:18 (thirteen years ago) link
These people often have listened to 300 albums - just not the ones we want them to vote for.
This is always going to be a problem I think. My choices of indie rock albums I like is almost always gonna be embarrassingly consensus-courting because (unlike with dance music or even to some extent hip hop) I don't follow it closely enough even to be aware of under-the-radar stuff.
If I did listen to 200 albums in a year it'd probably follow the same proportionate breakdown of genres that my current listening does, so that becomes, say, 10 indie-rock albums. Is that enough to justify having Vampire Weekend on my list?
In the case of Big Boi/Kanye it's the fact of the sheer preponderance of writers with only token rap selections. Obv indie rock doesn't have that problem.
So it's more the overlapping limitations of the body of writers rather than of any individual I think, and the fact that most publications don't see this as a problem, in fact assume that Kanye and Big Boi turning up again and again reflects something true and real (whereas we'd never take particularly seriously what a rap mag thought was the best rock album of the year).
― Tim F, Monday, 3 January 2011 23:34 (thirteen years ago) link
Jana Winderen, "Energy Field"BJ Nilsen, "The Invisible City"Nicholas Szczepanik, "Dear Dad"
all of these were on my top 20 list - the winderen is my favorite record of the year & ive written abt it a fair bit here on ilx already so. 'dear dad' is a fairly immense ambient/drone record v. structural i guess? the nilsen is harder to describe - i have @ #3 on my list but with his live tape he did for ash - its field recordings reinterpreted as minimal soundscapes probably affix all the lazy labels: 'haunting' 'cerebral' 'spare' but its a p challenging, immersive record.
also lol @ ilm all music writers are illiterates anyway
― they fund ph.d studies, don't they? (Lamp), Monday, 3 January 2011 23:41 (thirteen years ago) link
I feel like this is the crux of the argument right now.
― the Sonic Youths of suck (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 00:21 (thirteen years ago) link
― slouching, unshaven, thick-necked, unstylish, pig-eyed (ilxor), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 03:02 (thirteen years ago) link
can some of the people who made like ~100-album lists break down the sort of thinking they did about how to list them past #20 or so? the kind of 'yearbook' think that was mentioned above seems reasonable and wise to me just because it seems like an admission that past the core of albums you might have genuinely gotten deeper into, there will be a point at which your list can't be a representation of much besides 'i listened to this and didn't hate it'.
for instance, here's the end of fastnbulbous' list, from 89 on down:
Electric Wizard - Black Masses (Rise Above)Crocodiles - Sleep Forever (Fat Possum)Ghost - Opus Eponymous (Rise Above)Iron Maiden - The Final Frontier (EMI)Nails - Unsilent Death EP (Southern Lord)Die Antwoord - $O$ (Interscope)Salem - King Night (Iamsound)Three Mile Pilot - Inevitable Past Is The Future Forgotten (Temporary Residence)Christian Mistress - Agony & Opium (20 Buck Spin)Grand Magus - Hammer Of The North (Roadrunner)Wino - Adrift (Exile On Mainstream)Actress - Splazsh (Honest Jon's)
at that point, what makes you say, 'this one should be here, this one four slots down'?
i think part of the incredulity over the value of listening massively is that it seems like any kind of making of distinctions or giving of reasons at that point is probably going to go by the wayside.
― j., Tuesday, 4 January 2011 04:40 (thirteen years ago) link
also:
i would think that part of the reason listening isn't arbitrarily scalable is that you're not just learning more about how to listen efficiently and gaining more knowledge about music. listening well in the ways that critics can try to do can take emotional readiness and receptivity that you just can't make happen on demand.
― j., Tuesday, 4 January 2011 04:46 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm sure with the magazine lists assembled by a staff or team of people, they just worked out the order by way of voting or just haggled over the order with people arguing for favorites, etc. with an individual's list, yeah, at a certain point it's a little bit arbitrary, but i just feel it out to the point that it feels 'right' -- like i could move almost any of those albums around a few spots, but probably nothing would ever really go more than 5-10 spots up or down from where it is.
― washa flocka brain (some dude), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 04:48 (thirteen years ago) link
Last two post spot on I think. I can understand listening to 200 or even 400 albums in a year but I can't understand ever actually caring about more than 40 or so.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 4 January 2011 04:49 (thirteen years ago) link
40 seems excessive tbh but then i listen to non-album oriented stuff a lot
― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 05:10 (thirteen years ago) link
My choices of indie rock albums I like is almost always gonna be embarrassingly consensus-courting because (unlike with dance music or even to some extent hip hop) I don't follow it closely enough even to be aware of under-the-radar stuff.
haha this year even my token indie choices are getting overlooked, no sight of school of seven bells anywhere (or laura marling outside the uk). this is like payback for enjoying both fever ray and the xx last year, i think.
i think what it comes down to is, i sympathise with the "listen to more stuff" brigade insofar as i kind of associate being a pop critic with that curiosity to hear what people like kanye (and gaga, taylor, mariah etc) are making - but i'm v hesitant to specifically proscribe what those MUST-HEAR albums actually are, because as tim says that does seem to be laying the foundations for consensus too readily.
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 08:07 (thirteen years ago) link
Two caveats I wrote on the thread that Scott created for my album list:
(2) The further you get down the list, the less reliable the order probably is...#4: Once you get past #105 or so, I make no guarantees that copies of these albums will still be in my house five years from now. (But they're all still here now, which counts for something.)*
* Assuming they were ever "here" in the first place. Most of my listening still involves a physical format, but not all of it.
But like some dude said, a lot of the ordering (and I have no idea why this is so hard to understand, to be honest) is just a gut feeling thing, and would surely switch up here and there if I printed the list a few days later: I got more enjoyment out of this one than that one; I'm likely to play this one more than that one more often in the future. I keep the list going through the year, adding new albums as they become known to me, and what you see is what's there as the year ends. But obviously there's nothing mathematical about it; why should there be? And sure, the ones I really "care" about most are near the top, by definition. But that doesn't mean those are the only ones I'm going to want to pull out again, as time goes on. Albums don't have to be great to be good.
― xhuxk, Tuesday, 4 January 2011 08:33 (thirteen years ago) link
So there is obviously no "correct" order (not sure where anybody here suggested there was, to be honest), except that I might kick myself somewhere down the line if my #83 album winds up being the one I'm still pulling out most five years from now, of if I never play my #5 again. But there's no way to know that for sure now; it's all guesswork.
― xhuxk, Tuesday, 4 January 2011 08:36 (thirteen years ago) link
I also like the (possibly deluded, so what) idea that some No Wave fan sometime and somewhere might accidentally stumble across my list and check out the Sediment Club EP at #150, or some teen-pop fan might buy the Selena Gomez album at #102, and like them way more than I do. Sediment Club and Selena Gomez deserve that -- those are good records, that haven't got anywhere near as much attention as they deserve, and just because I don't "care" about them as much as the albums in my top ten doesn't mean somebody else whose tastes aren't exactly the same as mine won't. I've done that with old best-of-the-year lists, for decades; used them as a buying guide years after the critics who actually created them probably forgot what's even on them. Maybe it's wishful thinking to assume somebody would use my list the same way. But maybe not.
― xhuxk, Tuesday, 4 January 2011 09:18 (thirteen years ago) link
i put the two selena gomez singles on my traxxx round-up ;_;
― slouching, unshaven, thick-necked, unstylish, pig-eyed (ilxor), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 14:54 (thirteen years ago) link
I've done that with old best-of-the-year lists, for decades; used them as a buying guide years after the critics who actually created them probably forgot what's even on them. Maybe it's wishful thinking to assume somebody would use my list the same way. But maybe not.
I still get people saying they used my 90s 136 list as a buying guide. Which kinda terrifies me.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 4 January 2011 15:22 (thirteen years ago) link
the woebot top 100 was quite influential for me a few years ago -- acen, tob jobim, ar kane, thomas leer, yusuf lateef, vivien goldman, monoton, implog
― max bro'd (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 15:27 (thirteen years ago) link
I guess, for me, if you are going the "yearbook" route, it makes more sense to do something like:
rank your top 10/15/25/whatever your cutoff point is (depending on how strongly you feel about the albums you liked)list your "honorable mentions" (ie, the albums you liked enough to be worth mentioning but are not among your favorites)list your "rogue's gallery (ie, the albums that you disliked or found extremely disappointing)possibly some sort of "important albums" list (where you give your opinion on the critical darlings; this could just be the albums you were ambivalent about that everyone else went apeshit for, or you could take the albums that appear all over the place off of HM and RG and talk about them here if they aren't in your ranked list)
You can still end up talking about your 100 albums, but it's narrowed down in presentation so the reader gets more focus on the ones you liked most. I can't speak for others, but my perception of reading a ranked album list is, absent of verbiage to the contrary, you are putting things on it that you liked enough to rank; this is one of the reasons I think Ned's 90s list is one of the most successful* album lists I've ever read. There isn't ranking albums that he is lukewarm about just for the sake of reaching a milestone number; it's 136 albums which, at the time of writing, he thought represented the best of what the 90s had to offer. That's the context in which these lists make the most sense to me as a reader; obviously it is fine if you are approaching it as a historical roundup of The Year In Music as a writer, but bear in mind that you may be giving more weight to some of these albums than you mean to just by putting them in a ranked list, regardless of how you blurb them.
* Possibly not the best word but I can't think of a better one; basically, the methodology behind how he put together that list matches most closely with how I read ranked lists. My assumption is that you are not going to bother ranking an album you are ambivalent about or just think is okay, because quite frankly I don't want to read about what albums you thought were just okay. In my world, if it's "okay", it isn't a top album.
― Indolence Mission (DJP), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 15:39 (thirteen years ago) link
my perception of reading a ranked album list is, absent of verbiage to the contrary, you are putting things on it that you liked enough to rank
Well, in the case of my lists at least, then, your perception is right. I don't set out at any point to come up with a list of 150 albums; if I wound up with only 20 I liked enough to rank, that'd be fine with me (although I might wonder whether I should still be doing this for a living.) As I said, records I like (to some degree or other -- chances are, I'll be at least somewhat ambivalent about all of them, because perfect albums don't exist in this world and never have) accumulate through the year; I evaluate, re-evaluate, live with them, etc., and the list is what I wind up with, and people can ponder or ignore however much of it they want to. It's really not rocket science. (This year, I wouldn't have known I had 150 albums -- or 180 or so, counting also-rans -- until the moment I finally posted the list and numbered them.)
Hubie Brown is totally OTM here, btw:
And there seems to be an implication that being more generalist is a career strategy or about trying to duplicate the critical consensus or whatever. Which is silly. For most people I know who listen to and are interested in different types of music, it's natural. It's an outgrowth of being interested in culture broadly...Being interested in different kinds of music is an outgrowth of being interested in different types of people. Write about what you want, but only caring about one specialized genre or musical subculture is some Trekkie stuff to me.
― xhuxk, Tuesday, 4 January 2011 16:15 (thirteen years ago) link
no one you're talking to in this thread is lke that about one genre, though. but there's a pointlessness to total 'i listen to EVERYTHING' too. it makes taste hopelessly arcane
― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 16:18 (thirteen years ago) link
not saying thats your taste either, rather i construct my taste against the idea that my thoughts on a variety of genres are equally valid
Well the WORLD DON'T MOVEto the beat of just one drum...
― we can only flee in abject horror from yesterday's mistakes (staggerlee), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 17:24 (thirteen years ago) link
i totally did this during my 2003-05 early college yrs era
R.I.P.
― slouching, unshaven, thick-necked, unstylish, pig-eyed (ilxor), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 17:32 (thirteen years ago) link
r.i.p?
― the Sonic Youths of suck (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 17:37 (thirteen years ago) link
R.I.P. ilxor's college years/ned's 136 albums list (whichever u find most applicable)
― slouching, unshaven, thick-necked, unstylish, pig-eyed (ilxor), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 17:41 (thirteen years ago) link
RIP
― markers, Tuesday, 4 January 2011 17:42 (thirteen years ago) link
ned's list is still up innit?
― the Sonic Youths of suck (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 17:50 (thirteen years ago) link
IT'S ALIVE!
― the Sonic Youths of suck (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 17:51 (thirteen years ago) link
Then I guess ilxor must have committed seppuku. Zombie ilxor sure posts a lot.
― EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 4 January 2011 17:54 (thirteen years ago) link
gonna restrain myself from even searching for a lolzombie.gif in reply
― ilxor this could be a standout thread for you imo (ilxor), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 17:56 (thirteen years ago) link
Ozzy’s top 10 albums of 2010:
1. Ozzy Osbourne – Scream2. Black Label Society – Order of the Black3. Motorhead – The World is Yours4. Slash – Slash5. Halford – Made of Metal6. Korn – III: Remember Who You Are7. Pantera – Cowboys from Hell (Reissue)8. Lamb of God – Hourglass Box Set9. Firewind – Days of Defiance10. AC/DC – Iron Man 2
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 18:05 (thirteen years ago) link
Metal Hammer Top 50 Albums of 2010
1.) Iron Maiden - The Final Frontier2.) Alter Bridge - III <--------------------- WTF3.) Deftones- Diamond Eyes4.) Killing Joke - Absolute Dissent5.) Airbourne - No Guts. No Glory.6.) Triptykon - Eparistera Daimones7.) Slash - Slash8.) Cathedral - The Guessing Game9.) Parkway Drive - Deep Blue10.) Cancer Bats - Bears, Mayors, Straps & Bones11.) Ihsahn - After12.) Bring Me The Horizon - There Is A Hell, Believe Me I've Seen It. There Is A Heaven, Let's Keep It A Secret.13.) Avenged Sevenfold - Nightmare14.) The Dillenger Escape Plan - Option Paralysis15.) Anathema - We're Here Because We're Here16.) Black Country Communion - Black Country Communion17.) Swans - Father Will Guide Me Up A Rope To The Sky18.) High On Fire - Snakes For The Divine19.) Electric Wizard - Black Masses20.) Fear Factory - Mechanize21.) Rob Zombie - Hillbilly Deluxe 222.) Kvelertak - Kvelertak23.) Letlive - Fake History24.) Black Label Society - Order Of The Black25.) Dimmu Borgir - Abrahadabra26.) Accept - Blood Of The Nations27.) Burzum - Belus28.) Grand Magus - Hammer Of The North29.) Volbeat - Beyond Hell/Above Heaven30.) Coheed And Cambria - Year Of The Black Rainbow31.) Your Demise - The Kids We Used To Be32.) Enslaved - Axioma Ethica Oudini33.) Scorpions - Sting In The Tail34.) Lower Than Atlantis - Far Q35.) Black Breath - Heavy Breathing36.) 36 Crazyfists - Collisions And Castaways37.) The Sword - Warp Riders38.) Monster Magnet - Mastermind39.) Ufomammut - Eve40.) Kylesa - Spiral Shadow41.) Stone Sour - Audio Secrecy42.) Whitechapel - A New Era Of Corruption43.) Serj Tankian - Imperfect Harmonies44.) Soulfly - Omen45.) Christopher Amott - Follow Your Heart46.) Armored Saint - La Raza47.) Ozzy Osbourne - Scream48.) Watain - Lawless Darkness49.) Korn - III50.) Ghost - Opus Eponymous
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 18:08 (thirteen years ago) link
I hate metal hammer - their logo is "defenders of the faith". in the 90s they wanted to drop the "metal" part from their name. Disgusting magazine.
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 18:52 (thirteen years ago) link
Hah I just saw that Ozzy list. His favorite album was his own... its cute, I'd accuse him of megalomania but he was probably just like "welp, I gotta be honest - I liked me own a whole bunch..." -- he's like a little kid. I bet if Zach Wylde had put out a solo album he'd have put that at the top out of deference, instead of having BLS at #2.
― no pop, no style -- all simply (Viceroy), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 18:58 (thirteen years ago) link
I'd say Ozzy had fuck all to do with it and Sharon chose it..
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 19:01 (thirteen years ago) link
glad to see the Alter Bridge getting some love!
― markers, Tuesday, 4 January 2011 19:13 (thirteen years ago) link
Liar
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 19:13 (thirteen years ago) link
Next you will be saying you like their parent band Creed.
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 19:14 (thirteen years ago) link
ILX did agree that Creed was better than Owl City...
― no pop, no style -- all simply (Viceroy), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 19:20 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah but ilx also said both were better than markers.
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 19:21 (thirteen years ago) link
decapitation is also better than being drawn and quartered but that doesn't mean I'm particularly eager to get my head chopped off
― Indolence Mission (DJP), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 19:21 (thirteen years ago) link
― t**t, Tuesday, 4 January 2011 19:40 (thirteen years ago) link
i don't think anything chuck has been saying is surprising or mysterious, but it does seem to confirm that long lists are not likely to be very meaningful past a certain point. and i agree with dan that there's something potentially, vaguely misleading about the manner of presenting lists like that, though obviously it's pretty innocuous.
but if the sorts of things chuck is saying hold generally, then what exactly is supposed to be the benefit of a critic listening to a lot of records, like fastnbulbous was saying upthread? simply that they get noticed? if the average record on a year-end roundup like that is basically there because the critic heard it two or three times and thought it was more notable than another 200-500 that didn't get listed, it doesn't seem like that extra bit of notice affects what the critic is capable of giving to the people who read her, that much.
what i'm interested in is the idea that a critic would do better to listen to a LOT of records (so many that other, professional critics here are going: o_O) than to listen more closely or repeatedly or thoughtfully to fewer records. (i'm not saying the people who are in favor of listening in bulk are ruling out the latter, just that it seems obvious that they couldn't have as much attention to spare on fewer records.) i was asking about how mega-lists work because it seems like that's the main thing critics who listen in bulk have to show for their labor.
― j., Tuesday, 4 January 2011 20:40 (thirteen years ago) link
Well, they'd have a much wider context in which to judge and compare and contast other records, for one thing. They'd learn things. And they'd satisfy their curiosity, which I hope is endless, because otherwise why are they even bothering? Different strokes, again, this just seems obvious to me. I'm still waiting for somebody to explain what's to be gained with listening to individual albums scores and scores of times, long after they've outworn their welcome, and you don't especially want to hear them again. Don't you have enough work to do already? I sure do. What exactly are you hoping to learn from them, that you don't already know after a few listens? I really don't get that. Sure, there are exceptions once in a blue moon that warrant that sort of obsessiveness. But otherwise, talk about turning something fun into drudgery. Sounds like the life of a monk.
― xhuxk, Tuesday, 4 January 2011 20:55 (thirteen years ago) link
lol, just to continue to be the completely contradictory/inconsistent person that I am, ^^^ OTM
(although yeah I do go down the rabbit hole with albums, but that's largely because I'm not reviewing them)
― Indolence Mission (DJP), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 20:57 (thirteen years ago) link
most ppl live with records for a long time, either trying to like it, or if they instantly do, until they know every word and every noise, & i think most critics try to emulate that experience in as much as a deadline allows
― zvookster, Tuesday, 4 January 2011 21:01 (thirteen years ago) link
I would say those albums I've lived with all this time are ones that I barely touch now. I don't need to, really. Andrew Eldritch of the Sisters of Mercy was once asked to do a Desert Island Discs or equivalent for Q Magazine back in 1993; he provided it, but noted that he had barely listened to any of them in years. Paraphrasing his comment: "All I have to do is look at the spines of the sleeves and everything comes back about it and where I was in life." Strikes me as very sound -- I do have a couple of general fallback albums (and Loveless isn't one of them) but that's about it.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 4 January 2011 21:06 (thirteen years ago) link
I do have a couple of general fallback albums (and Loveless isn't one of them)
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/614gKUDWmUL._SL500_AA300_.jpg
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51iajO15O4L._SL500_AA300_.jpg
― ilxor this could be a standout thread for you imo (ilxor), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 21:40 (thirteen years ago) link
Har
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 4 January 2011 21:42 (thirteen years ago) link
Didn't you sell every one of your cds?
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 21:46 (thirteen years ago) link
Sold quite a few but the bulk are earmarked as a donation for my old radio station's archives.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 4 January 2011 21:47 (thirteen years ago) link
when do they leave the raggettstacks and join the... radiostacks? :/
― ilxor this could be a standout thread for you imo (ilxor), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 21:52 (thirteen years ago) link
(wonder if it's more like "raggettpiles" at this point?)
― ilxor this could be a standout thread for you imo (ilxor), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 21:53 (thirteen years ago) link
I assumed he meant in his will.
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 21:54 (thirteen years ago) link
Oh lord no. I don't want to have to move these things again, for one thing.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 4 January 2011 21:56 (thirteen years ago) link
raggettplies
― tears of a self-clowning oven (The Reverend), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 22:01 (thirteen years ago) link
so that's what the RIP means
― the Sonic Youths of suck (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 23:00 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm slowly making my way through ned's 90's list
― flopson, Tuesday, 4 January 2011 23:41 (thirteen years ago) link
I wasn't actually saying that listening to less albums scores of times is the way to be a good critic, I was saying it's fallacious to argue or imply that listening to hundreds of albums is some kind of qualifier for being a good critic, when it's a strategy that has it's own limitations, and there are other strategies which have their own advantages.
Basically this goes back to fastnbulbuous' attempt to divorce being a music critic (which he associates with listening to as much music as possible) from being a good writer.
Being a good critic is about being able to respond to music, to hear and draw out nuances, ideas, connections, possibilities an distinctions, and then communicate these to the reader in a manner that is both pleasurable in itself and also makes the experience of music more rewarding.
Listening to as much music as possible helps, but lord knows there's many critics who do this and remain incapable of talking insightfully about any of it. It's not just listening that counts, but the application of the critical process I spelt out above, a large part of which requires (a) allowing your critical ideas and categories to be transformed and developed by the music you're listening to; and then (b) working out what those mutations mean for your ideas about music generally, how they impact on all your ideas about the music you've heard before.
This requires talking, with other people of course but also with yourself as you listen to music. It also necessitates a certain amount of muse-following, allowing yourself to drift in certain directions as the music you listen to inspires ideas that demand testing against other music.
Obviously you can't do this with just a handful of records - there's not enough nutrients to allow your ideas to develop - but go too far in the other direction and you can get diminishing returns as well, your critical energy spread too thinly across too many records, which is why so many super voracious critics end up writing about all but their favourite or most interesting releases in the format "this is vaguely comparable to but not as good as another record i already have and which I'd rather be listening to".
But then my thoughts on this are largely shaped by having a fifty hour working week.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 5 January 2011 00:27 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm still waiting for somebody to explain what's to be gained with listening to individual albums scores and scores of times, long after they've outworn their welcome, and you don't especially want to hear them again. Don't you have enough work to do already? I sure do. What exactly are you hoping to learn from them, that you don't already know after a few listens? I really don't get that. Sure, there are exceptions once in a blue moon that warrant that sort of obsessiveness. But otherwise, talk about turning something fun into drudgery. Sounds like the life of a monk.
no one is saying critics should listen to records once they don't want to. i'm asking what the relative value is to trying to 'meet' (to use the 'worn our their welcome' metaphor) orders of magnitude more 'people' without ever spending enough time with them to see if they're worth sticking with: the exceptions.
isn't one of a critic's jobs to look for those exceptions?
how is the critic supposed to know if they are exceptions, without spending more time with them?
i think this is good:
― j., Wednesday, 5 January 2011 00:33 (thirteen years ago) link
i don't think there's a hard-and-fast one-size-fits-all rule to how many times one "needs" to hear an album, and it's a critic's job to articulate what the case is for each particular one. let's be real, some albums we could all get an adequate handle on after listening once, and others it might take years.
quantity of listens isn't as important as being aware of how your circumstances/mood are affecting your listening imo, there's nothing more offputting than having to force yourself to listen to something over and over again rather than being able to put it on as and when the mood takes you.
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 00:39 (thirteen years ago) link
well emulate that experience could mean listen three times over the course of one week i guess, but the mood and circumstance is part of why living with a record a bit is a good idea
― zvookster, Wednesday, 5 January 2011 00:58 (thirteen years ago) link
let's be real, some albums we could all get an adequate handle on after listening once, and others it might take years.
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Tuesday, January 4, 2011 4:39 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark
i don't believe that this is very often true. the things that provokes a strong response on one listen tend to be those that push our buttons, interacting with our deep-set biases and prejudices more than our critical faculties, prompting an instantaneous but shallow "I LOVE THIS!" or "I HATE THIS!" response. i think you have to listen past this kind of knee-jerk immediate reaction to get a truly adequate handle on most music.
― carles marx (contenderizer), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 01:06 (thirteen years ago) link
I think distinguishing between "deep-set biases and prejudices" and "critical faculties" is usually a false dichotomy, and I don't believe in "trying" to like something. I do believe in trying to figure out how the music works, in giving it a chance, no matter what it is. But if I like it, I like it, and my job is to explain why; if I don't, ditto. And though records have been known to grow (or shrink) on me over the course of weeks, months, years (happens all the time, actually), I usually have a pretty good idea of how much I'll like something (i.e., how good it is, in my terms anyway) after ust a listen or two. On the other hand, I've also advocated "living with albums" (before I put them in a year-end top 10, say) a few times on this thread. And I agree with pretty much everything Tim F says until the "diminishing returns" claim at the end of his spiel. I just don't understand how hearing more music, can, in and of itself, make you a worse critic. Which isn't to say that all critics who listen to hundreds of albums a year are good, when it comes to actually writing about the stuff. But some people can actually walk and chew gum at the same time.
― xhuxk, Wednesday, 5 January 2011 01:28 (thirteen years ago) link
Of course, it doesn't hurt to constantly try to challenge your biases, or at least have self-knowledge about why they're there. But in the end, they're something you learn to live with. And you're allowed to explain and analyze them in your writing, too.
― xhuxk, Wednesday, 5 January 2011 01:30 (thirteen years ago) link
Or I should say that part of my job is explaining why I like something, or don't. But a much bigger part is just explaining what the music does. Though that includes explaining where and how and why it works, and where and how and why it doesn't. So it's not like that's unrelated to my tastes (which include my biases), either.
― xhuxk, Wednesday, 5 January 2011 01:40 (thirteen years ago) link
I just don't understand how hearing more music, can, in and of itself, make you a worse critic. Which isn't to say that all critics who listen to hundreds of albums a year are good, when it comes to actually writing about the stuff. But some people can actually walk and chew gum at the same time.
Well by "diminishing returns" I didn't mean it makes you a worse critic, I meant that the value of listening to each additional album diminishes the more albums you listen to - it doesn't strike me as controversial to suggest that there's a larger difference between listening to 10 albums and 20 albums than there is between listening to 150 albums and 200 albums.
The diversity of music (not just in sounds or genres but in effects, strategies, functions etc) is of course a very long piece of string, but even if critics can walk and chew gum simultaneously, they can only walk so fast and chew so many pieces of gum. The diversity doesn't just exist between pieces of music but also within them, and I think the process of interrogation required to draw this out (or more prosaically, "living with" the music) requires time and effort, at least if you actually intend to say something interesting about the music. Like, I think there's a difference between "getting" an album on first listen and having something to communicate that any other critic couldn't communicate just as easily - unless the "getting" is just the application of your instinctive biases. And I agree chuck that biases are inevitable and even necessary, but unless there is some effort spent in drawing those biases out in novel and illuminating ways one's writing gets pretty repetitive pretty quickly.
Again, though, a lot of my thoughts on this come from having only approx 1.5 hours max of listening time available to me per day, such that if I actually set out to hear 200 albums my average number of listens to any given album would be less than 3 (and that's assuming I listened to no older music). And, as well, full time work doesn't just take away listening time, it takes away the amount of creative energy necessary to really engage with music.
Which doesn't mean that i want to be all Hornby-esque and advocate listening as comfort food, but that I don't see what is the problem with thinking a bit more strategically about the importance of listening to every critically rated album versus other things that might make me a better thinker/writer/critic.
Though I suspect no-one's gonna rush to disagree with that last point and at at this stage of the conversation we're really just defending and promoting our own various approaches to same task.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 5 January 2011 02:00 (thirteen years ago) link
some effort spent in drawing those biases out in novel and illuminating ways
Pretty sure I've exerted some effort in this direction over the past 30 years. (Whether it's been successful or not is for readers to decide. But though my writing gets accused of a lot of things, sounding like every other critic is usually not one of them.)
listening to every critically rated album
And I've never advocated this, either. (I sure don't do it myself -- I've never heard the vast majority of albums listed on this thread!) And as I also said above, some of my favorite critics barely hear any new albums at all. So again (again) different strokes.
― xhuxk, Wednesday, 5 January 2011 02:15 (thirteen years ago) link
Chuck it should go without saying that you are a special freak who falls outside of all the things i'm talking about pretty much entirely.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 5 January 2011 02:30 (thirteen years ago) link
I listen to albums so much that I stopped writing about them. ITS THE PERFECT CRIME
― T Bone Streep (Cave17Matt), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 06:56 (thirteen years ago) link
I think distinguishing between "deep-set biases and prejudices" and "critical faculties" is usually a false dichotomy, and I don't believe in "trying" to like something. I do believe in trying to figure out how the music works, in giving it a chance, no matter what it is. But if I like it, I like it, and my job is to explain why; if I don't, ditto.
― xhuxk, Tuesday, January 4, 2011 5:28 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark
yeah, i agree. wasn't trying to suggest that careful listening will or should reverse the knee-jerk impressions of one's "deep-set biases and prejudices," but i do think that what we get on the first pass is almost always superficial (if just as often generally accurate). that said, i don't think that the barrier i set between those superficial biases/prejudices and deeper critical thinking creates an entirely false dichotomy. the former come easy, while the latter take time and care to fully develop. it's easy to go into screed/hosanna mode based on initial impressions, and that isn't necessarily wrong, but i find that the eventual peace i reach with most of the music i spend any serious time with is more measured, less dramatic. true even of what i love & hate most intensely.
― carles marx (contenderizer), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 09:11 (thirteen years ago) link
I think the difference between bias and interesting critical analysis is mainly explication or "working out".
Like a straightforward maths problem some musical puzzles can be solved almost instantaneously (during your first listen), while some require more working out, false starts, thinking around your reaction.
Good music writing usually involves (even if unwittingly) a search for interesting puzzles.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 5 January 2011 10:33 (thirteen years ago) link
i kind of disagree with that - it reduces criticism to "analysis" and makes it seem like solving an algebra problem. i've never approached music writing with anything like a "strategy" beforehand - it's a mix of the intuitive/emotional and more contextual joining-the-dots.
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 10:38 (thirteen years ago) link
haha "like an algebra problem" which is exactly what you said anyway. HUGE turn-off! do not want to solve algebra problems, do not want anyone to think i should be.
eh, it's more like filtration than algebra. or culinary reduction. getting to the essence of things takes time, though sure, it's not always worth the bother. some cores are best left unplumbed.
― carles marx (contenderizer), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 11:05 (thirteen years ago) link
An algebra of emotions though. Why do I feel the way I feel when I listen to this music? What does it mean? I can't imagine not being interested in the answer to that.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 5 January 2011 12:13 (thirteen years ago) link
If it's not clear, the puzzles are internal to your relationship with the music, your experience of and reaction to it.
Tbh I don't think it's really possible to think outside of that.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 5 January 2011 12:21 (thirteen years ago) link
eh, it's more like filtration than algebra. or culinary reduction.
I like your latter simile but based on a Twitter group conversation yesterday I fear cooking comparisons are not the best for Lex. :-D
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 5 January 2011 14:09 (thirteen years ago) link
i have no idea what culinary reduction even is. i would rather do algebra than cook, though.
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 14:13 (thirteen years ago) link
yer all nuts! listening makes you a better listener; reading/writing makes you a better writer; life makes you a better critic. yer welcome. ^_^
― 69 65 51 46 (Ioannis), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 14:35 (thirteen years ago) link
Is there a thread for people to confess what they got wrong in 2010? I really feel the need to get some things off my chest.
― Waka Flocka Seagulls (Doran), Thursday, 6 January 2011 16:26 (thirteen years ago) link
Start it up.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 6 January 2011 16:28 (thirteen years ago) link
ned dislikes the rolling stones?
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Thursday, 6 January 2011 16:29 (thirteen years ago) link
I think you posters all...LAUGH at me.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 6 January 2011 16:30 (thirteen years ago) link
I might do.
― Waka Flocka Seagulls (Doran), Thursday, 6 January 2011 16:31 (thirteen years ago) link
Doran's post-Salem remorse?
― the Sonic Youths of suck (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 6 January 2011 16:48 (thirteen years ago) link
waking up in the morning with an empty bottle and a salem cd in your bed. very painful and very awkward. um, this was great, but i gotta get to work...sure, i'll call you. *oh god what have i done?*
― scott seward, Thursday, 6 January 2011 16:56 (thirteen years ago) link
lawls
― the Sonic Youths of suck (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 6 January 2011 16:59 (thirteen years ago) link
what you've just done is you fucked a CD
the fact that it's Salem is kind of meaningless next to that
― Indolence Mission (DJP), Thursday, 6 January 2011 17:03 (thirteen years ago) link
Ha ha, no I still like that album. It was more like I heard some Waka Flocka mixtapes but then didn't bother (properly) listening to Flockavelli and I am now.
And obviously it's awesome. It happens every year with stuff I don't get sent.
― Waka Flocka Seagulls (Doran), Thursday, 6 January 2011 17:23 (thirteen years ago) link
i did that display name, btw
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, 6 January 2011 17:28 (thirteen years ago) link
yay doran getting into flockaveli
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Thursday, 6 January 2011 17:34 (thirteen years ago) link
Sorry Whiney. Will change ASAP. Just been offered an interview with him by his manger.
"I say, Waka old boy..." etc.
― Waka Flocka Seagulls (Doran), Thursday, 6 January 2011 18:54 (thirteen years ago) link
I am slowly rolling this out but I have some interesting demographic data on the Sound Opinions Message Board user poll. Such as the average age of Arcade Fire voters was 31.16 but 28.07 for Big Boi. http://bit.ly/gblXlJ
― Mitchell Stirling, Thursday, 6 January 2011 22:51 (thirteen years ago) link
where's the interesting data?
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, 6 January 2011 22:52 (thirteen years ago) link
Interesting only in the context of where it came from I guess. While it's fairly obvious that older people like Grinderman and don't like The-Dream to have that shown empirically is interesting to me. 85% of Love King votes were from people in their twenties and a third of Grinderman 2's were over 35.
― Mitchell Stirling, Thursday, 6 January 2011 23:19 (thirteen years ago) link
so eventually we will be able to construct statistically sound strawmen?
― call all destroyer, Friday, 7 January 2011 00:02 (thirteen years ago) link
That is the-dream.
― Mitchell Stirling, Friday, 7 January 2011 00:05 (thirteen years ago) link
what age were the other 2/3 of the Grinderman votes?
― the Sonic Youths of suck (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 7 January 2011 00:51 (thirteen years ago) link
unfrozen nick cave fan lawyers
― Johnny Cheever (some dude), Friday, 7 January 2011 00:57 (thirteen years ago) link
― scott seward, Friday, 7 January 2011 01:15 (thirteen years ago) link
encino grinderman
― zvookster, Friday, 7 January 2011 01:16 (thirteen years ago) link
trying to think of a clan of the cave bear joke, but i can't think of one.
― scott seward, Friday, 7 January 2011 01:22 (thirteen years ago) link
― call all destroyer
Grand lolz, thanks.
― we can only flee in abject horror from yesterday's mistakes (staggerlee), Friday, 7 January 2011 06:42 (thirteen years ago) link
haha yeah right scott.
― Tim F, Friday, 7 January 2011 06:44 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't know where to put this, but did any of you check out this Japanese band 80kidz album on at least one of the lists posted or linked to on this thread (I think it was the Silent Ballet one)? It starts off electro-dribble, but it sounds more like regular "dance music" as it progresses. I'm okay with it but I have a feeling a bunch of you would like it more than I do. I think it's all instrumental. (I've only listened to the whole thing once and might have been out of the room for part of it.)
― _Rudipherous_, Sunday, 9 January 2011 15:48 (thirteen years ago) link
Is "electro-dribble" hyphenated?
― _Rudipherous_, Sunday, 9 January 2011 15:50 (thirteen years ago) link
Tokyo must be an awesome place to live.
― _Rudipherous_, Sunday, 9 January 2011 15:52 (thirteen years ago) link
I hate to be all stephen's sock, but come on--new board description?
― the Sonic Youths of suck (Drugs A. Money), Sunday, 9 January 2011 15:55 (thirteen years ago) link
lol-- i wouldn't have suggested that one :(
― ilxor this could be a standout thread for you imo (ilxor), Sunday, 9 January 2011 19:23 (thirteen years ago) link
just messin around ilxor...sorry
what thread is your sn from?
― the Sonic Youths of suck (Drugs A. Money), Sunday, 9 January 2011 20:59 (thirteen years ago) link
anyways I don't think electro(-)dribble has been a meme since 2009
― the Sonic Youths of suck (Drugs A. Money), Sunday, 9 January 2011 21:00 (thirteen years ago) link
don't remember-- use search function?
― ilxor this could be a standout thread for you imo (ilxor), Monday, 10 January 2011 03:05 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm sure it will be alive & well in the EOY poll.
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 10 January 2011 03:18 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't think electro(-)dribble has been a meme since 2009
Yeah, I am probably a late adopter of it in this case.
― _Rudipherous_, Monday, 10 January 2011 03:22 (thirteen years ago) link
Gallery of unfortunate band photos
― Are you anticipating an end to the Age of Stupid? (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 10 January 2011 03:53 (thirteen years ago) link
http://largeup.okayplayer.com/2011/01/04/toppa-top-10-pan-caribbean-anthems-of-2010/
― curmudgeon, Monday, 10 January 2011 06:16 (thirteen years ago) link
Deej's top 50 tracks list and top 20 albums list is excellent:
http://kingdrake1.tumblr.com/post/2679093152/david-drakes-top-50-songs-2010-1-husalah-you
― Tim F, Monday, 10 January 2011 12:55 (thirteen years ago) link
Albums list: http://kingdrake1.tumblr.com/post/2676636332/david-drakes-top-20-lps-2010-1-e-40-revenue
― Tim F, Monday, 10 January 2011 12:57 (thirteen years ago) link
that swedish house mafia is transcendent
― flopson, Monday, 10 January 2011 15:39 (thirteen years ago) link
Has there been much momentum behind the Jacka & Laroo record at all? Only heard it for the first time last week and loved it.
― Matt DC, Monday, 10 January 2011 15:40 (thirteen years ago) link
tim he put together a utube playlist upthread (tho it shld go from 1-50 imo, still cool obv)
― zvookster, Monday, 10 January 2011 15:47 (thirteen years ago) link
oh nm he linked all the youtubes @ yr link :o
― zvookster, Monday, 10 January 2011 15:48 (thirteen years ago) link
Christgau Dean's List (82 albums, 20 singles)
http://bnreview.barnesandnoble.com/t5/Rock-Roll/The-Dean-s-List-Christgau-s-Best-of-2010/ba-p/4023
And year-end essay
http://bnreview.barnesandnoble.com/t5/Rock-Roll/Live-Albums/ba-p/4025
― xhuxk, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 22:11 (thirteen years ago) link
no way is nicholas payton 23
― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Wednesday, 12 January 2011 22:20 (thirteen years ago) link
He's saying Payton was 23 in 1997, when he made the album with Doc Cheatham (which looks about right, if Wiki is.)
― xhuxk, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 22:28 (thirteen years ago) link
does xgau usually put old stuff in his list? there's a bunch of 2009 albums there, and his #8 single is from 2006.
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Wednesday, 12 January 2011 22:30 (thirteen years ago) link
He often applies the Pazz & Jop "Year Of Impact" rule (so do I), when it comes to releases he connected with the year after they technically came out. Though 2006 might be pushing things. (He's pushed things more in the past, though; i.e., naming the Clash's 1982 "Rock The Casbah" his #1 single of 2001.)
― xhuxk, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 22:42 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah i get the year of impact thing, though it makes way less sense for albums. what impact did lil wayne or nicki minaj's old mixtapes have in 2010?! and the 2006 single certainly didn't have any greater impact than this year than in the four previous.
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Wednesday, 12 January 2011 22:58 (thirteen years ago) link
Well, it apparently had more impact on him, which it what matters, since it's his list. (Not defending the 2006 choice, which I know nothing about. But also, I don't get how "late impact" can't happen just as much with albums as with singles -- especially, say, November or December releases that wind up breaking a couple hits the following year, or barely distributed albums on tiny labels that everybody ignored the year before. Not all critics feel the compulsion to hear albums the day they come out, thank God.)
― xhuxk, Thursday, 13 January 2011 00:05 (thirteen years ago) link
reposting this from Marathonpacks, v interesting:
The sales numbers for Pitchfork’s 2010 top 50 albums, as represented by the January 12 Soundscans (some weren’t present, of course). Erykah Badu and Hot Chip I ballparked based on the last charts they appeared on a couple months ago. Otherwise: listicle without commentary!50 Wavves – King of the Beach (18,563)49 Wild Nothing – Gemini (8,773)44 Kylesa – Spiral Shadow (7,778)43 Tame Impala – Innerspeaker (15,101)42 Drake – Thank Me Later (1,219,473)39 Best Coast – Crazy For You (48,296)38 Rick Ross – Teflon Don (541,299)35 Gorillaz – Plastic Beach (385,454)34 Crystal Castles – Crystal Castles (39,368)33 The Tallest Man on Earth – The Wild Hunt (35,524)29 The Fresh & Onlys – Play It Strange (3,633)28 The National – High Violet (211,615)27 Four Tet – There Is Love in You (22,228)26 Twin Shadow – Forget (10,985)25 Sufjan Stevens – The Age of Adz (100,405)24 Hot Chip – One Life Stand (~30k)22 Girls – Broken Dreams Club EP (10,266)21 The Walkmen – Lisbon (39,159)18 Erykah Badu – New Amerykah Part Two: Return of the Ankh (~300k)17 Caribou – Swim (33,803)16 Sleigh Bells – Treats (94,478)15 Robyn – Body Talk (23,869)14 Flying Lotus – Cosmogramma (33,574)13 No Age – Everything In Between (13,802)12 Janelle Monae – The ArchAndroid (129,152)11 Arcade Fire – The Suburbs (459,083)10 Titus Andronicus – The Monitor (26,090)09 Ariel Pink’s Haunted Graffiti – Before Today (25,942)08 James Blake – The Bells Sketch EP / CMYK EP / Klavierwerke EP (511/4,091/na)07 Joanna Newsom – Have One on Me (48,754)06 Vampire Weekend – Contra (454,914)05 Beach House – Teen Dream (104,217)04 Big Boi – Sir Lucious Left Foot: The Son of Chico Dusty (208,747)03 Deerhunter – Halcyon Digest (59,879)02 LCD Soundsystem – This Is Happening (126,288)01 Kanye West – My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy (915,391)
50 Wavves – King of the Beach (18,563)49 Wild Nothing – Gemini (8,773)44 Kylesa – Spiral Shadow (7,778)43 Tame Impala – Innerspeaker (15,101)42 Drake – Thank Me Later (1,219,473)39 Best Coast – Crazy For You (48,296)38 Rick Ross – Teflon Don (541,299)35 Gorillaz – Plastic Beach (385,454)34 Crystal Castles – Crystal Castles (39,368)33 The Tallest Man on Earth – The Wild Hunt (35,524)29 The Fresh & Onlys – Play It Strange (3,633)28 The National – High Violet (211,615)27 Four Tet – There Is Love in You (22,228)26 Twin Shadow – Forget (10,985)25 Sufjan Stevens – The Age of Adz (100,405)24 Hot Chip – One Life Stand (~30k)22 Girls – Broken Dreams Club EP (10,266)21 The Walkmen – Lisbon (39,159)18 Erykah Badu – New Amerykah Part Two: Return of the Ankh (~300k)17 Caribou – Swim (33,803)16 Sleigh Bells – Treats (94,478)15 Robyn – Body Talk (23,869)14 Flying Lotus – Cosmogramma (33,574)13 No Age – Everything In Between (13,802)12 Janelle Monae – The ArchAndroid (129,152)11 Arcade Fire – The Suburbs (459,083)10 Titus Andronicus – The Monitor (26,090)09 Ariel Pink’s Haunted Graffiti – Before Today (25,942)08 James Blake – The Bells Sketch EP / CMYK EP / Klavierwerke EP (511/4,091/na)07 Joanna Newsom – Have One on Me (48,754)06 Vampire Weekend – Contra (454,914)05 Beach House – Teen Dream (104,217)04 Big Boi – Sir Lucious Left Foot: The Son of Chico Dusty (208,747)03 Deerhunter – Halcyon Digest (59,879)02 LCD Soundsystem – This Is Happening (126,288)01 Kanye West – My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy (915,391)
some of these are genuinely sad to me! like, these are both FANTASTIC-- & i thought both had more big fans??
44 Kylesa – Spiral Shadow (7,778)27 Four Tet – There Is Love in You (22,228)
― ilxor this could be a standout thread for you imo (ilxor), Thursday, 13 January 2011 18:40 (thirteen years ago) link
You're seriously Kylesa and Four Tet have only sold that much?
― flutes & fucking mexican death horns (The Reverend), Thursday, 13 January 2011 19:44 (thirteen years ago) link
im surprised four tet sold that much
― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Thursday, 13 January 2011 19:46 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah.
― flutes & fucking mexican death horns (The Reverend), Thursday, 13 January 2011 19:47 (thirteen years ago) link
Interesting to see the different brackets:
Drake/Kanye/Rick Ross >>> Arcade Fire/Vampire Weekend/Gorillaz >>> Erykah/Big Boi/National >>> LCD/Janelle/Beach House/Sleigh Bells/Sufjan >>> everyone else
I guess the Joanna Newsom album really stiffed in relation to her profile. Nothing else surprises me as much.
― The baby boomers have defined everything once and for all (Dorianlynskey), Thursday, 13 January 2011 20:02 (thirteen years ago) link
Are those stats US only?
― Captain Ostensible (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 13 January 2011 20:15 (thirteen years ago) link
Also, depending on chart rules, the Joanna Newsom might have only sold a third that many copies, surely? Doubles counting as two sales etc in the UK.
― Captain Ostensible (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 13 January 2011 20:17 (thirteen years ago) link
Those are US.
― flutes & fucking mexican death horns (The Reverend), Thursday, 13 January 2011 20:23 (thirteen years ago) link
07 Joanna Newsom – Have One on Me (48,754)
this is surprising no matter how sales are counted, i would've expected her up there at 100,000+ with sufjan, beach house, etc.
― ilxor this could be a standout thread for you imo (ilxor), Thursday, 13 January 2011 20:33 (thirteen years ago) link
I wouldn't have!
― Indolence Mission (DJP), Thursday, 13 January 2011 20:36 (thirteen years ago) link
I still have no idea who the hell Beach House are.
― flutes & fucking mexican death horns (The Reverend), Thursday, 13 January 2011 20:37 (thirteen years ago) link
Nor did I til a month ago and now it's one of my favourite records of the year. 104,217 Americans can't be wrong.
― The baby boomers have defined everything once and for all (Dorianlynskey), Thursday, 13 January 2011 20:43 (thirteen years ago) link
― flutes & fucking mexican death horns (The Reverend), Thursday, January 13, 2011 3:37 PM (22 minutes ago) Bookmark
lol rev we covered this earlier in this thread i think!
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 13 January 2011 21:00 (thirteen years ago) link
I just prefer thinking about Beach House as a bad Goa trance album name from 1998 on Moonshine.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 13 January 2011 21:03 (thirteen years ago) link
I would still prefer that to the actual Beach House
― Indolence Mission (DJP), Thursday, 13 January 2011 21:05 (thirteen years ago) link
lol you listen to beach house
― ilxor this could be a standout thread for you imo (ilxor), Thursday, 13 January 2011 21:28 (thirteen years ago) link
they are good. it's crazy they sold 100 000+ copies! they seem like really great people, too. didn't listen to the new album much but devotion is an all time classic
― flopson, Thursday, 13 January 2011 22:19 (thirteen years ago) link
15k in the US for Tame Impala is pretty impressive since, afaik, it still hasn't been given a domestic release (Amazon still has only the import for like $30)
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 13 January 2011 22:25 (thirteen years ago) link
Don't know if this has been posted yet:
Geoffrey Himes' Top 100 Albums of 2010
http://option-magazine.com/2011/01/01/himes-hundred-best-albums-of-2010/
― jetfan, Friday, 14 January 2011 18:45 (thirteen years ago) link
awesome!
― some dude, Friday, 14 January 2011 18:52 (thirteen years ago) link