Why does Lady Gaga get a free pass from hipsters?

Lady Gaga is basically singing Britney Spears songs (I actually though it was Britney the first time I heard Poker Face), but since she dresses like Fischerspooner and acts like an "artist" she's given a free pass? Sure, she might actually be able to sing, but I don't see the Cobrasnake crowd championing Christina Aguilera.

oh geeeeez

take the wave to shea

wwb_sd

http://www.shoppingblog.com/pics/lady_gaga_rolling_stone_0609.jpg

yea, and the stupid new yorker article

tbh "lady gaga" and "hipsters" in the same sentence is making me a little queasy

it should be a policy to not respond to makeitpop threads but the answer to this one is easy: besides not knowing what you even mean by hipsters, or even if hipsters are giving a free pass to gaga, or if anyone should even care, i think the answer is largely because for a long while before she was a pop star gaga was a performer in presumably hip nyc clubs doing burlesque stuff and the like. she has street cred to put it one way, as opposed to brit or xtina

god she is such a horseface

it's basically impossible for her to be sexy

no one fucking likes lady gaga, what the hell is this guy talking about

i would like to understand where she came from tbh

also "poker face" doesn't sound like britney

Lady Ga Ga writes her own material.

Yes, that is important.

But whether she is the "new Madonna" or not, well, we'll get the answer to that in 5-10 years.

the phrase "new Madonna" should never be uttered again

ws, kinda

no one fucking likes lady gaga, what the hell is this guy talking about

― gangsta hug (omar little), Wednesday, June 10, 2009 8:44 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark

Her tunes are pretty good, the couple that I've heard anyway. She does not give good interview. I don't know whether hipsters give her a free pass or not. Who knows why hipsters do what hipsters do?

The Britney comparison is referring to her latest albums, not the Baby One More Time era music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FehBgQeVKFQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMeucO5dNTA

A++++ troll

i mean, i understand, but the voice is like, not the same.

Dee Snider looks great on that RS cover tho

Obviously, Lady Gaga has a more appealing voice, but the attitude, the production, and the silly sexual innuendo seems interchangeable. Either record could have been released by either artist.

Lady Gaga: The Original Hipster Grifter

who is makeitpop a sock of?

no one fucking likes lady gaga, what the hell is this guy talking about

can't be said enough

Had this stuck in my head recently, thanks ILM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qRPzBrtYMQ

lady gaga, jay leno & dave matthews in one issue of Rolling Stone. I'm making a bee line to the newsstand.

Obviously, Lady Gaga has a more appealing voice, but the attitude, the production, and the silly sexual innuendo seems interchangeable. Either record could have been released by either artist.

1. Lady Ga Ga writes her own material
2. Britney has never written a song

VERY important difference!!!!

no it isn't, shut up

geir stop

also percentage of the world that knows that lady gaga writers her own songs and isn't some label controlled robot is probably like 20%

also britney has written a song

much like after you hit suggest ban i think there should be a warning that reminds you that you are about to respond to a geir hongro post

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/06/10/article-0-0546671E000005DC-224_468x829.jpg

lol this is such an obvious trolljob w2g guys

dunno if you're talking about makeitpop, geir, gaga or all 3

I wrote a song, it's called "Geir, Shut the Fuck Up"

I hear the lyrics are a little obscure to the uninitiated but the cognoscenti highly satisfying.

no one fucking likes lady gaga, what the hell is this guy talking about

no one fucking likes lady gaga, what the hell is this guy talking about

― gangsta hug (omar little), Wednesday, June 10, 2009 8:44 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark

― pretzel walrus, Wednesday, June 10, 2009 8:50 PM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark

UH i know at least one person who never stops singing JUST DANCE

I wrote a song, it's called "Geir, Shut the Fuck Up"

ysi?

http://perezhilton.com/2009-06-10-the-hottest-tour-of-the-fall

perez hilton, hipster

Geir Hipstro

okay, everyone all together:

FUCK YOU, KANYE

lady gaga music > lady gaga photos tbh

defenestration > lady gaga photos

what kind of free pass do you mean? a bus pass? a train pass?

1. she doesn't look that bad
2. it doesn't matter what she looks like
3. her music sucks

the articles in that RS are unbelievable.

Jay Leno: THE INTERVIEW.

Anyway, I think people are more positive about LG because she seems largely self-made, while Britney is synthetic and talentless.

haha lolz in what world is Perez Hilton a "hipster"

it doesn't matter what she looks like

clearly she would disagree

http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/images/n54/n270570.jpg

oh and she has a great figure and I'd hit it 7 days a week.

defenestration > lady gaga photos

This is for you, '99HH.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/06/10/article-0-05466328000005DC-105_468x286.jpg

she's basically an art school kid that made it big doing her own thing and comes off as such which is why that crowd goes for it.
whether or not you like her it's stupid to make the aguilera / spears comparison

or use "hipsters" in 2009

but whatever.

One day Geir is going to stop posting and you will all be miserable.

yeah man "Post by Geir Hongro deleted" has a place in my heart.

is that conor oberst making out with lady gaga

it's Robert Pattinson

gageir hongraga

Actually, I think Geir has a point because when Britney started, nobody really tried to conceal the fact that she was 100% manufactured... and the Gaga is marketed as the real deal. But real hipsters like Britney anyway, no?

we live in a strange & different world when the phrase "real deal" is used to describe lady gaga

It's only used because she's not cute.

this whole thread is like http://media.bigoo.ws/content/gif/music/music_139.gif

no one here fucking likes lady gaga, what the hell is this guy talking about

...that's better.

http://media.bigoo.ws/content/gif/music/music_139.gif

Her songs still sound like Dr. Luke concoctions anyway, so does it really matter whether she writes them or not?

if you are trying to troll geir you probably want to talk about melody in there somewhere too

I think it does, to some people...

x-post

All of her melodies are boring shit!

stepwise motion - repeated note - descending arpeggio - stupid spoken word bullshit that is supposed to be "arty" - REPEAT

"Lets Dance" is good.

oops, I meant "Just Dance".

lol

'Just Dance' may have captured your fancy right now but you will never remember it in the future.

"hipster" may be the most misused word in the english language, after "irony".

GIS Lady Gaga and I get "Related searches: lady gaga camel toe"

how exactly should it be properly used?

xpost

'Just Dance' may have captured your fancy right now but you will never remember it in the future.

― Le présent se dégrade, d'abord en histoire, puis en (Michael White), Wednesday, June 10, 2009 9:55 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

That's what makes it a good pop song.

i can totally remember how 'Poker Dance' goes

Bluffin with my muffin=classix

i've been working towards this kind of total disconnection for a few years, but i've managed with no effort at all not to hear lady gaga. im barely aware of who she is.

oh boy i do not like that poker face song one bit

and as a leading hipster im fine with her doing her thing, making bake or whatever. if people want to listen to her, more power to her elbow.

That's what makes it a good pop song.

^^^is this the ultimate poptimist challops or what

this song is so GREAT because it is SO BAD!

i always get this sort of dumbed down radio friendly version of peaches vibe from this stuff

yeah thats right PEACHES but DUMBER

oh no you didnt

Poker Face makes me think of Liquor In The Front, Poker In The Rear, a terrible old joke that was once the title of a Rev. Horton Heat album.

yeah thats right PEACHES but DUMBER

kudos

i like that a troll thread is going for the century in under 2 hours.

is this what we've become?

kind of mystified by the hatred lady gaga inspires but i want to remind everybody that the more u hate her and the more vocal about that hate u are, the more fuel you are adding to the fire of the fools who want to believe shes transgressive in some kind of transcendently campy way

britney is so much more accepted by the discerning crowd.

if it weren't for the lack of brit slang crap i would swear makeitpop was from england, yes THAT weirdly clueless and out of touch

no one fucking likes lady gaga

i think this is otm

'Just Dance' may have captured your fancy right now but you will never remember it in the future.

― Le présent se dégrade, d'abord en histoire, puis en (Michael White), Wednesday, June 10, 2009 9:55 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

That's what makes it a good pop song.

― touch my bum / this is life (daavid), Wednesday, June 10, 2009 9:59 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah good pop songs aren't memorable, everyone knows that

well i mean what hipster movement is this thread about exactly? if anything lady gaga has inspired a bunch of tl;dr bullshit on ILX (see: that one thread about the vacuousness of pop or whatever) about how terrible she is, it's the gays and the mainstream fans that seem to be building her up the most.

we're through the looking glass here people

i don't think the gays are that powerful

it's the gays and the mainstream fans that seem to be building her up the most.

those gays... they used to have such good taste

well i mean what hipster movement is this thread about exactly?

i believe it is the rolling stone hipster demographic

hepcats dig her jive

i don't think the gays are that powerful

― let free dom ring (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, June 10, 2009 10:12 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i dunno with all that working out you'd think gays could bench quite a bit

If it helps, my working definition of hipster would be: people who fancy themselves as smart and cool.

^^^ confirmed britisher sighting!

fancy!

oh no maybe not

no way hipsters are always snogging a bag of crisps in their anorak and what ho

i like that a troll thread is going for the century in under 2 hours.

― suggestzybandias (jim), Wednesday, June 10, 2009 10:07 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

Where/who are the trolls? I thought we all more or less agreed here.

Pants!

i fancy myself as smart and cool

i smart myself as cool and fancy

M@tt's post made me chortle

'Just Dance' may have captured your fancy right now but you will never remember it in the future.

― Le présent se dégrade, d'abord en histoire, puis en (Michael White), Wednesday, June 10, 2009 9:55 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

That's what makes it a good pop song.

― touch my bum / this is life (daavid), Wednesday, June 10, 2009 9:59 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah good pop songs aren't memorable, everyone knows that

― i would never want a book's autograph (M@tt He1ges0n), Wednesday, June 10, 2009 10:09 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark

OK what I meant is that it's the kind of song that sounds amazing for like two weeks and then it becomes totally irrelevant, and that's not a bad thing IMO.

why hello dere

can't agree there old sport

If it helps, my working definition of hipster would be: people who fancy themselves as smart and cool.

― makeitpop

sigh

TS: Poker Face vs Muffin Top

what happened to those camel toe chicks?

make is clap is also stuck in my head thx

One of them is in Holy Hail, otherwise idk xpost

I don't hate 'Just Dance' but I never hum it, is all I'm saying and I hum stupid-ass songs from every decade I've been alive (and quite a few from ones even before that).

I basically don't know anyone who is thumbs-upping Lady GaGa while hating on Britney et al. I mean, I'd be surprised to find a hipster who likes "Just Dance" but can't stand "Toxic."

I would concur with jaymc but then this occurred to me:

I basically don't know anyone who is thumbs-upping Lady GaGa while hating on Britney et al. I mean, I'd be surprised to find a hipster who likes "Just Dance" but can't stand "Toxic."

I imagine you know a few online, michael

I guess the difference would be that Britney is almost always appreciated ironically by hipsters, whereas Gaga seems to be sincerely accepted with little reservation (yes, that's a lot of generalizations). This, despite the fact that the actual style of their music is nearly identical.

that is completely wrong

makeitstop

makeitso

lady gaga/star trek TNG fanfic to thread!

Most of the really big boosts of Lady Gaga I've seen have come from critics who both like chart-pop and like the idea of a performer with a story, a self-determined visual aesthetic, a backstory, a soundbite-friendly interview style etc.

These aren't Geir-people (they still listen to Britney regardless) but the "she's the new Madonna" claim doeshave traction for these types.

They're both gay and straight. My tl;dr post about vacuous pop didn't really go into why people would like gaga (or why gay people would) but I would say a specifically or self-consciously "gay" appreciation of Lady Gaga would also include an in-built appreciation for her ridiculousness - the fashion shoots and photographs that go beyond wacky and into disastrous territory, the ludicrousness of her claims for herself, the way her music can seem generic and idiosyncratic at the same time etc. etc.

Whereas the not-specifically-gay version would usually play down the appreciation-of-failure side of things.

Having said that, I don't think her commercial success is founded on either types of people.

no her commercial success is founded on the fact that she was the first woman to successfully plant her flag at the top of Mount Hipster, apparently

pass was only free cause she grifted it

The gays are okay with her. It's enough.

Why does ilx hate her so? Is she really overexposed in places that aren't Australia? Because here she can be one of the handful of songs occasionally played on commercial radio that you don't mind.

she's basically an art school kid that made it big doing her own thing and comes off as such which is why that crowd goes for it.
whether or not you like her it's stupid to make the aguilera / spears comparison

or use "hipsters" in 2009

but whatever.

― fauxmarc, Wednesday, June 10, 2009 4:26 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this is totally wrong i think. she doesnt really have those fans except for that small niche of ppl already into chart pop. her main fanbase is, & i dont mean this in a particularly condescending way although it might sound like i do, women who go clubbing & liked sex & the city a whole lot. its getting young yuppie love, basically, at least from the ladies. its popular shit. i dont really know any hip trendy folks who are into it except as, like, an ironic thing

like, i dont think anyone is convinced by her 'art school' thing -- i dont think you're supposed to be convinced by it?? i think her fans see it as like, her 'hobby' or as an affect, not as an identity

its like, ironic art school

makeitpop is kbp, right?

we r all kbp now

this guy

so i was in the record store today and started reading abt her in rolling stone (i am genuinely interested because whatever is causing her popularity it ain't the songs). got as far as the part about her dropping out of nyu and living alone in manhattan, where she would get coke delivered and then do her hair in makeup in a mirror for hours at a time.

*hair AND makeup

i find her interesting because she's become famous without being particularly good looking. until she arrived, the pop world was pretty straightforward in terms of the importance placed upon one's looks. it doesn't seem to matter with her, which i guess is either a marketing triumph, or a testament to her abilities as a performer, or a bit of both, i suppose.

she's basically an art school kid that made it big doing her own thing and comes off as such which is why that crowd goes for it.
whether or not you like her it's stupid to make the aguilera / spears comparison

or use "hipsters" in 2009

but whatever.

― fauxmarc, Wednesday, June 10, 2009 4:26 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this is totally wrong i think. she doesnt really have those fans except for that small niche of ppl already into chart pop. her main fanbase is, & i dont mean this in a particularly condescending way although it might sound like i do, women who go clubbing & liked sex & the city a whole lot. its getting young yuppie love, basically, at least from the ladies. its popular shit. i dont really know any hip trendy folks who are into it except as, like, an ironic thing
― autogucci cru (deej), jueves 11 de junio de 2009 2:42 (2 hours ago)

I think deej is otm here, at least in my hometown people only listen to her because they play her at clubs. So it's the sort of shit I've heard my friends play while dressing up before going to the club. I haven't met noone that really knows her backstory or owns her record. I feel truly sorry for you peeps who apparently seem to deal with listening to her music in a daily basis and in different environments.

i find her interesting because she's become famous without being particularly good looking. until she arrived, the pop world was pretty straightforward in terms of the importance placed upon one's looks. it doesn't seem to matter with her, which i guess is either a marketing triumph, or a testament to her abilities as a performer, or a bit of both, i suppose.

― borntohula, Wednesday, June 10, 2009 11:55 PM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

you should qualify whether you mean importance placed on looks specifically in regard to female pop stars. or i'm just going to assume you think T-Pain is dreamy.

the funny thing about LG isn't so much that she's terrible-looking as that she tries for these ridiculous fashion statements that generally only really gorgeous women can get away with

i find her interesting because she's become famous without being particularly good looking. until she arrived, the pop world was pretty straightforward in terms of the importance placed upon one's looks. it doesn't seem to matter with her, which i guess is either a marketing triumph, or a testament to her abilities as a performer, or a bit of both, i suppose.

― borntohula, Wednesday, June 10, 2009 11:55 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

yes, here we have Britney as straightforward popstar:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_lgrG2xMG3Gs/R6rjxQt5l0I/AAAAAAAAAdo/E4Dfyj1r0xg/s320/britney_spears_leather.jpg

and Lady Gaga, blowing the lid off our expectations of what a pop star can look like:
http://www.popstarsplus.com/images/LadyGaGaPicture001.jpg

it's like she flipped the whole concept 90 degrees

faceplolm

real talk i think LG is basically making fun of 'artsy' artists even if she doesnt realize it

I think this whole thing has been figured out already, but I am asking if this is something that is on the radio?

all the freaking time

http://promote-my-site.com/images/foreheadslap.jpg
http://promote-my-site.com/images/foreheadslap.jpg
http://promote-my-site.com/images/foreheadslap.jpg
http://promote-my-site.com/images/foreheadslap.jpg
http://promote-my-site.com/images/foreheadslap.jpg

"And I always thought Stars Are Blind was one of the greatest records ever". Street cred: gone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWF3GhS_WQA#t=1m08s

hipsters relate to people who arent very good at anything

She's crap.

i don't know why (my fucked up mind i guess)
but she somehow reminds me of a 40+ Israeli transvestite. trying to be hip.

no, i think you're onto something

:P

GIS for "40+ Israeli transvestite" pulls up a lot of British transvestites/cross-dressers. And Rudy Giuliani.

hipsters like her because she is ugly. hipsters like ugly.

sorry.

40+ Israeli transvestite essentially means you're referring to Dana International, right? I see it.

she kinda reminds me of Maya Rudolph doing Donatella Versace

honestly all the ugly talk kinda makes me want to root for her in a way.

i read that rolling stone article she seemed okay.

like on one level i think her and peaches are pretty much total balls from a music perspective..but it bums me out that there seems to be a certain level of extra intense hate for them that comes from them being maybe not conventionally "pretty" but still casting themselves as sex symbols or sexy.

like people hate them for it or something, which seems like a pretty bummer misogynistic trip to me.

it is too bad that so many music nerds are turning to misogyny--used to be just about the least sexist group of people i can think of

haha

i don't buy it

honestly all the ugly talk kinda makes me want to root for her in a way.

i read that rolling stone article she seemed okay.

like on one level i think her and peaches are pretty much total balls from a music perspective..but it bums me out that there seems to be a certain level of extra intense hate for them that comes from them being maybe not conventionally "pretty" but still casting themselves as sex symbols or sexy.

like people hate them for it or something, which seems like a pretty bummer misogynistic trip to me.

― i would never want a book's autograph (M@tt He1ges0n), Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:18 PM (21 minutes ago)

dude come on dont be such a pussy here...you don't know people irl who wear ridiculous outfits they can't pull off and think really highly of themselves even though they're ugly as fuck and have no good qualities? those are the most annoying people!!

I've been trying very hard not to make "lol she ugly" jokes because everyone is making them and it feels like a gross pile-on session. Sometimes I fail. Life goes on.

i really gained no sympathy from her through the rs piece, but the thought of her sad and alone and coked out and obsessed with fame.....i dunno, she's probably not a v. happy person despite the fact that this is what she wants to be doing.

pretty/ugly don't really matter to me, her look can be kinda cool i guess but you gotta back it up with songs, and her songs fucking blow.

dude come on dont be such a pussy here...you don't know people irl who wear ridiculous outfits they can't pull off and think really highly of themselves even though they're ugly as fuck and have no good qualities? those are the most annoying people!!

― makeitstop (k3vin k.), Thursday, June 11, 2009 4:42 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalin

IRL? not really, actually. i don't hang out with like blog fashion MIA type fans and shit.

i see hott ppl wear shit that they can't pull off, that no human being can pull off too...

i'm just saying the "ugly" thing keeps coming up in a way that seems weird to me...

but anyway my opinion was so obvious it was pretty much a challop to begin with as max and blueski pointed out right away anyway.

Oh good, an excuse to post this again:

http://i41.tinypic.com/neth8x.jpg

exactly the same yahoo question thread on Ciara i'm sure

"but it's Ciara not HEara" i am confused

I just love that that's the Best Answer. Like Brad read that and was like, "Oh, good point, case closed."

uh, is brad a man?

no rude answers plz

I don't think GaGa is ugly at all.. and her body is great.

btw this thread is gay.

I think here is a good point for me to re-post my kid story from the Rolling Pop thread:

"Yesterday in the car ride home from daycare, "Poker Face" came on and my four-year-old said, "I hate this song. When she says pa-pa-pa-poker I think she is going to poke me wif a screwdriber." First, I had never heard him use the word hate. Second, I'm a fan of the song but I kinda think his description tells a deeper story of why many are not.

― matt2, Friday, June 5, 2009 5:23 PM (6 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

matt i agree w u--kevin u are being stupid

Does anyone else remember being bombarded LG with full page ads on the myspace login screen for like a month and then huge banner ads after that?

Some folks are making it sound like she had some kind of organic home grown success. You don't get that kind of promo without a lot of corporate PR dollars behind you. It seems like they have spent a lot of money to push her image and her single into Clear Channel radio. Not that it is shocking or unusual for this to happen with pop music, but in her case it seemed really evident in a way that you wouldn't see with a Britney.

yeah...for like 6 months last year i thought of LG as a really failed major label push, MTV played "Just Dance" constantly but I didn't hear anything about here anywhere or think it was getting played much on the radio...then before i know it the song goes #1 and she's suddenly inescapable.

this thread was supposed to be classy but you people ruined it.

hahaha oh man kudos

40+ Israeli transvestite essentially means you're referring to Dana International, right? I see it.

yeah + my Israeli aunt, but let's not get into that.

sorta dissapointed i wasn't the first one who thought tranny, guess i am normal after all.

i don't think she's ugly though, but the whole female singers have to be naked and sing about sex all the time gets on my nerves.

like dancing with some clothes on can't be.... er.. sexy. ;)

problems with this thread:
- the insane generalization that Lady Gaga gets a free pass from anyone.
- the use of the word hipster
- homophobia

i really like the idea of 'Man GoGo' as a handle.

more like trannyphobia

I don't think GaGa is ugly at all.. and her body is great.

― Monday Nite Tranny Party (The Brainwasher), Thursday, June 11, 2009 1:09 PM (2 hours ago)

http://www.shakaiyo.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/1zegqyt.jpg

that's just a bad photo... I could find a bad photo of pretty much any hot celeb.

not zac efron.

My own problem with Lady Gaga (and I'm assuming it's more or less ILM's problem, but I could be wrong) is that her music/image seems to be a lot less interesting than that of artists in the same vein and who haven't even come close to achieving the same commercial success.

problems with this thread:
- the insane generalization that Lady Gaga gets a free pass from anyone.
- the use of the word hipster
- homophobia

― the table is the table, Thursday, June 11, 2009 2:07 PM (29 minutes ago) Bookmark

u left off both 'sexism' and 'makeitpop'

and 'geir'

i dunno BW, it say "ultimate lady gaga" right there

lol xpost

I don't think she's ugly. Some of her photos look amazing. A lot of them don't. But the ones that don't aren't so much cases of "bad photo day" and more "I really don't like the visual you're consicously aiming for there."

yupyup, she is hella pretty and sometimes even dressed really interestingly. i haven't gone back and checked, but i feel like here was some love for lg on the rolling pop thread. why is barely anyone sticking up for her here? the tunes are really mostly not bad, and i like a few alot.

I just checked out the video for You Belong by Hercules and Love Affair and it is a shame that they did not have the kind of commercial success that Lady Gaga is having. Obviously they are being marketed differently and are aiming at different audiences but Hercules embodies much of the same content as is just some much more interesting and well executed.

I'd like to see something as blatantly commercial as LG but with deeper references. It would be cool to see those codes cross over into the mainstream.

but is so much more interesting and well executed.

it does figure she has a burlesque past, everyone knows burlesque is where fat ugly girls pretend they are sexy.

damn homie

'You Belong' video is dope and still lovin that track

i still think the person in that photo is Rhys Ifans

'You Belong' video is dope and still lovin that track

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― Hard House SugBanton (blueski), Thursday, June 11, 2009 4:40 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

otm

btw i think Gaga might as well work with Ed Banger doods. peace.

I can't stand her but the complaints about the sexism/homophobia on this thread are otm

grow the fuck up guys

i haven't gone back and checked, but i feel like here was some love for lg on the rolling pop thread. why is barely anyone sticking up for her here?

well I was the main GaGa defender/lover in that thread and I don't feel like getting into this argument now

and Hercules and Love Affair's music has like no pop appeal like at all, I don't even get why you'd bring them up in here?

they do full actual songs you can dance to and have a strong image. that qualifies as pop to me.

i mean they're obv intentionally straddling that middle ground between pop/charts and club credibility, of which there's been a great lineage imo (not so much in the US).

Hercules? Really?

not making it pop

the complaints about the sexism/homophobia on this thread are otm

almost everyone whose talked about teh homos on this thread (along with a good number of ILM's most vocal Gaga-haters) are gay

god hates fags

peace

I read the whole thread and I'm pretty sure that that's the only homophobic thing on it btw

lol thirdalternative

i am not reading this thread, ever, but my roommate receives rolling stone (and reads ayn rand and is a PUA) and that cover made me throw up a little bit

Cobrasnake crowd

lol

I just checked out the video for You Belong by Hercules and Love Affair and it is a shame that they did not have the kind of commercial success that Lady Gaga is having. Obviously they are being marketed differently and are aiming at different audiences but Hercules embodies much of the same content as is just some much more interesting and well executed.

I'd like to see something as blatantly commercial as LG but with deeper references. It would be cool to see those codes cross over into the mainstream.

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dont see how these artists are similar at all

& im not really a h&la stan or anything either ... shes a lot closer to ed banger MAYBE bcuz of the kinda trash aesthetic going on, but H&LA are trying so much harder to be tasteful ...

She's closer to (current) Kylie Minogue than either I think. I could totally imagine GaGa coming out with "Speakerphone" or "Red Blooded Woman".

Kylie's visual aesthetic is very similar actually, minus the elaborate artworld justifications.

im just glad there's a makeitpop in this world to take the pressure off posters like me...Godspeed brother

Kylie's visual aesthetic is very similar actually, minus the elaborate artworld justifications.

there's one glaring difference...

btw i'm totally fine with gaga working the jolie-laide thing - it's been a long time since anyone has in the pop sphere

she has street cred to put it one way, as opposed to brit or xtina

o rly?

great posts there

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v165/noodle_vague/DeliveryMan.gif

i don't even know what to make of this thread. but i'll offer up this:

i work with a hipster girl. she's like a cartoon character of what you'd think a hipster would be like & today she was talking about a guy she's into when she uttered the following sentence, "He doesn't listen to radio stuff like Britney & Lady Gaga, so that's a plus."

excellent fieldwork there!

i think to prove or disprove this thread's premise we need to find out how A-Trak felt when he found out Kanye is going to tour with LG

If you're over 17 and care about "street cred" -- especially to the point of using it as criteria for whether or not you'll allow to like certain things -- that is just sad.

Particularly if that "thing" is a person, i agree. This girl is 25 & has a child, btw. Her #1 reason for liking the guy is that he likes Ghostland Observatory.

It is really messed up that she would like this band if she is a mother of a child. They look like total chesters.

Perhaps because of her cock?:

http://bossip.com/139759/chicks-with-dcks-is-lady-gaga-packing/

Welcome to last year, son.

so you sucked her dick first, big deal

y'know i always thought she looked like hedwig

so you sucked her dick first, big deal

just because i'm more trendy than you, hipster

Is this well known? I think she's even hotter now.

how do you 'allegedly' say like seven complete sentences

http://thestylepenguin.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/Lady-GaGa-Kermit-the-Frog.jpg

tbh she gets a free pass for that outfit

Remember when hipsters read Nietzsche and went on road trips?

no i am 22

allow me to explain, basically nietzsche was the pop singer with a stealth dong of the 1800s

On Truth and Lies in a Nonmoral Sense was THE summer jam of 1872, y'all

tell me more

newspapers the world over ran a scandalous woodcut of his crotch when he was caught going commando while getting out of a carriage outside the Bonn Opera House

i have heard of him, he was really a chick iirc and the woodcut showed his vag

Haha. Nietzche's "Will to Power" album was totally pop.

Tracklisting revealed on Pitchfork, May 1872:

1. Beyond Good and Evil
2. Ubermensch (Ft. Akon)
3. The Gay Science
4. Human, All Too Human (Ft. Trent Reznor)
5. The Principal of Eternal Return
6. God Is Dead
7. Ecce Homo (Bitte Orca)
8. Twilight of the Idols
9. Daybreak (Ft. Michel Foucault)
10. Untimely Meditations
11. Thus Spoke Zarathustra (w/ Deodato)

lady gaga gets a free pass from hipsters and britney spears doesn't because "poker face" and "just dance" are much much better songs (and better suited for the dancefloor, which is key) than fucking "hit me baby one more time" which is music for ten-year-olds.

plus, lady gaga sings about fucking all the time!! (even if she's really really ugly in real life)

^^ Just Ban.

No, I like the cut of Mr. Snrub's jib,.

She's awesome. She's a perpendicular force to most musicians, where the music is the art and the personal appearance is inconsequential. With her, the music is just a footnote on her interviews, her outfits, everything else. I'd never go to see her perform but I'd buy an US Magazine if they were interviewing her.

I think she's a horizontal force.

her?-pen-dick-ular force

jesus dude

she does have a wang tho yeah

She's just grabbing the Bowie Androgynous pop star template and taking it to its logical extreme.

He must be mad jealous.

From now on I'm removing passes from any pop sensation that isn't born with both male & female genital organs.

Pop Music is the third sex.

surely it was

3. The Gay Science (No Homo)

pitchfork's interest in him comes across as so tokenistic tho

The Manchester Guardian's Alexander Pettingrew-Dickson called him "the legit sound of urban Prussia in 1872".

lol yes david bowie must be extremely jealous

The European canon is here.

what a disappointing "penis" that was

^^^ Yeah I'm really not at all convinced by that penis tbh.

Good thing she's got a vagina as well so

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/story?id=8278249&page=1

Lady Gaga's all woman.

That's what her manager's asserting after an up-skirt photo of the pop star sparked rumors that she's a hermaphrodite. The photo, taken from video shot at England's Glastonbury festival, reveals a bulge between Gaga's legs -- a bulge that could have been caused by undergarments, a bad angle, or, as some blogs would have you believe, a penis.

Bossip.com alleged that Gaga said this when asked about the subject:

"It's not something that I'm ashamed of, just isn't something that I go around telling everyone. Yes. I have both male and female genitalia, but I consider myself a female. It's just a little bit of a penis and really doesn't interfere much with my life. The reason I haven't talked about it is that it's not a big deal to me. Like come on. It's not like we all go around talking about our v***. I think this is a great opportunity to make other multiple gendered people feel more comfortable with their bodies. I'm sexy, I'm hot. I have both a **** and a p*****. Big f******g deal."

ABCNews.com asked Gaga's manager if the "Poker Face" singer is a hermaphrodite and if she said the above quote. His reply:

"This is completely ridiculous."

Gaga's sexuality has been the subject of intense speculation ever since she told Rolling Stone magazine that she considers herself bisexual, though her attraction to women is purely physical.

"I think I'm changing what people think is sexy," she told the magazine in May.

In June, she elaborated on the issue to USA Today, saying, "I don't think being gay or being bisexual or being sexually free is anything that should be hidden. Everybody has a right to their secrecy, of course, but I don't feel particularly shy about it. It is who I am. I sing very openly about it in my music, so I suppose I could say that I choose not to hide it in interviews because I don't care to hide it and, two, because it is very obvious in my music that I like women."

But apparently, that doesn't mean she's toting a disco stick of her own. Consider the Glastonbury festival photo a wardrobe malfunction, not a coming out.

disco stick!

what's she getting a free pass to?

bus travel

is it good for an entire month or just one ride?

i didn't issue it

what we need is a bona fide hipster to answer this question.

You need to get a unicorn, first.

Coz, like, the only way to find a true hipster is to take a unicorn into Shoreditch, and the first person the unicorn lays its head in their lap - that's a true hipster.

is that the same as taking a white wolf to Williamsburg?

By that logic, all hipsters are virgins.

Guys, this is who can provide a definitive answer

gageir hongraga

― rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max)

Please never do this again, max.

"poker face" and "just dance" are much much better songs (and better suited for the dancefloor, which is key) than fucking "hit me baby one more time" which is music for ten-year-olds.

This is also true... adding "Paparazzi," "Bad Romance," "Alejandro" into the fold as well, all are great.

Does this mean that GaGa has finally received her long-desired hipster pass? Does it come with a gift bag or other free swag? Inquiring minds want to know.

http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/13823-the-fame-monster/

Whatever it means, I like Scott's take on the album.

http://www.41n93w.net/pix/babooshka_gaga.gif

It's because she's from outer space

^^^^^^^^^^ i'd be hard pressed to think of a current female artist who sounded *less* like kate bush than gaga

nicki minaj

Does this mean that GaGa has finally received her long-desired hipster pass? Does it come with a gift bag or other free swag? Inquiring minds want to know.

http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/13823-the-fame-monster/

I like Scott's review, a few minor quibbles aside (for example, the Krusty good/evil switch at the start is rather far fetched, but will resonate with Pfork readership who are used to seeing Gaga as a disposable, "evil" pop star and are now faced with seeing "Bad Romance" and "Paparazzi" in Pfork's Top Tracks of 2009, then a 7.8 rating for her newest EP).

What I found most immediately telling, though, was the blurb on the main Pfork page, which more or less validates Geir Hongro's view that OMG you guys, she is not just a pop star, she is a SONGWRITER, goddamnit!

Lady Gaga's second record, containing "Bad Romance" and "Speechless", finds her coming into her own as both a songwriter and a pop star.

Makes me wonder if the blurb wasn't written by Scott, given that he doesn't mention a damn thing about songwriting in his actual review...

Anyway... The Fame Monster's good listening all around, so I'm glad that Scott may convert a few unfortunate Memory Tapes fans with his review.

but ... she is a songwriter. lol @ 'unfortunate memory tapes fans'

Debussy's Children's Corner was written for a three year old's entertainment fwiw

total masterpiece

serious lolz@the notion of Gaga's songs being musically edgier than britney's though

Still waiting for her hit single featuring glissandi hooks

steve what the hell are you talking about...

thought it was a v fair review, basically agree with the "switch" analogy, just cuz I couldn't stand her before this new EP, which has two songs I love

Which two?

also really don't get how gaga is supposed to be edgier/more dancefloor-oriented than britney. just about anything on blackout works better as dance music, imo. (with the added bonus of being sleazy as hell!)

but she wears cool clothes and has neat videos, yeah.

just about anything on blackout works better as dance music, imo.

That's kindly overlooking her other ~4 or so albums, which mostly work better as music for ten-year-olds.

i mean i can see arguing that lady gaga is more club-friendly but you are either vastly underestimating lots of britney singles or vastly overestimating the difference between them.

i am growing to accept that i live in a world where most people like lady gaga but let's not kid ourselves here.

wtf with this false dichotomy?

That's kindly overlooking her other ~4 or so albums, which mostly work better as music for ten-year-olds.

eh, not really. "toxic" isn't even on blackout and people go nuts to that.

and honestly, who cares? why do we even have to take her whole career into account? can't we just, you know, judge her on best material instead?

call all destoryer otm.

I know 12-year-olds across the country went gaga for "I'm A Slave 4 U".

lol

you guys are arguing with an ilxor who chose the sn 'ilxor'

I guess I just feel bad for brit sometimes... :-/

Everybody should lay off that girl. She's a saint.

you guys are arguing with an ilxor who chose the sn 'ilxor'

Why is this a big deal again?

I know 12-year-olds across the country went gaga for "I'm A Slave 4 U".

Actual huge LOL in the middle of my office workplace. Brilliant job, Dan, I'm impressed.

serious lolz@the notion of Gaga's songs being musically edgier than britney's though

he wrote that? uhhhh

huh

i could understand it if he was praising gaga's sheer force of character over britney's, but britney has traded on the latest hott beats for most of her career - certainly since 2001

Who do you think I'm addressing though?

where did this britney stuff come from?

The first post and then

"poker face" and "just dance" are much much better songs (and better suited for the dancefloor, which is key) than fucking "hit me baby one more time" which is music for ten-year-olds.

i.e. not from Scott's review.

What Scott does say is that Gaga draws from a variety of pop divas including Britney:

"In "Bad Romance" she alters whoever Lady Gaga the Pop Star might be into any number of female types-- at times recalling Britney Spears, Madonna, an Anime character, Angelique, Christina Aguilera, and Amy Winehouse. In that sense, she's a perfect 21st century pop icon-- a regular person willing to manipulate herself into whatever it takes at any given moment to be a star."

...

"Elsewhere on The Fame Monster, she morphs into other stars-- Freddie Mercury on "Speechless", ABBA on "Alejandro", Madonna on "Dance in the Dark", Britney Spears on "Telephone", Kylie Minogue on "Monster", and Christina Aguilera on "Teeth". Yet instead of hopelessly retro, it comes off very modern, in part because U.S. pop and hip-hop is currently drawing heavily from Europop, hi-NRG, and dance music."

Lex if you could control your nausea when clicking on a pitchfork link I reckon you'd find that your and Scott's takes on nu-Gaga are actually very close to one another. Scott's Krusty the Clown opener is basically a variant on your Trojan Horse metaphor - though of course it doesn't imply the sense of strategy which the Trojan Horse model contains.

where did this britney stuff come from?

Well, to quote two passages from today's Pfork review, for starters:

In "Bad Romance" she alters whoever Lady Gaga the Pop Star might be into any number of female types-- at times recalling Britney Spears, Madonna, an Anime character, Angelique, Christina Aguilera, and Amy Winehouse.

Elsewhere on The Fame Monster, she morphs into other stars-- Freddie Mercury on "Speechless", ABBA on "Alejandro", Madonna on "Dance in the Dark", Britney Spears on "Telephone", Kylie Minogue on "Monster", and Christina Aguilera on "Teeth".

(<3 u scottpl!)

Whoops, Tim beat me to it by a minute or so!

I think lex is probably right to at least some extent-- seems at least like a change in opportunity coupled with a need to play safe at the start. Whether she assumed from the first move it would all work out like this or pounced when the time was right are two different things, but not sure it matters much in the end. She was savvy and smart either way.

Don't think many of you give her debut album enough credit; it's not like The Fame Monster is a HUGE leap forward, more like a subtle and effective refining of her modus operandi per se.

isn't the trojan horse a common interpretation at this point? i mean she went on SNL and sat at a piano improvising a bluesy thing - "i used to be a waitress look at me now i heart NYC!" - and lotsa people went oh ok she's a conventional musician, bet she's just doing this pop shit to gain a foothold before expressing herself

As per ilxor, I imagine she's also learning on the job, getting a better sense as time goes on of how to combine the various elements, which haven't really changed so much as become more elegantly (though not less bombastically) intertwined.

e.g. one clever aspect of "Bad Romance" vis a vis its predecessor "Pokerface" is that the lol-u-weird component (the "rah rah" bit) is deployed discretely as a kind of announcement, leaving a chorus that just shines on its own, meaning you can choose which part of the track you will allow to become yr earworm. Whereas with "Pokerface" the "p-p-p-p-p-p-p-po-pokerface" kind of retroactively bleeds into the otherwise harmlessly tuneful chorus that precedes it, making the chorus seem less memorable by comparison but also making the ostentatious (or fauxstentatious) oddness of the stuttering a more invasive proposition, its edge of annoyance made sharper through mental repetition (you can't help but hear it in your head whenever the song is mentioned).

Tim F you always manage to make songs I hate sound so appealing. :P

Ha, I think "Bad Romance" is one of those songs that would for most people teeter on the edge between liking and hating, and then once it falls on either side you either really like it or really hate it.

i'd be hard pressed to think of a current female artist who sounded *less* like kate bush than gaga

but they both crimp their hair!

Her music videos look like something that should be on a giant billboard screen in Back to the Future II.

http://raraahahahromaromamagagaoohlala.com/

lol

(RAH)² (AH)³ + [ROMA (1+MA)] + (GA)² + (OOH) (LA)²

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O34BLIDgXDI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGH5ygIKyT0&feature=related

this gaga/herc&love affair rmx is kinda boring :-/

Why does Taylor Swift get a free pass from ILX?

Why do people not understand what "free pass" means?

Don't play innocent. ILX is basically the Neville Chamberlain of Taylor Swift evaluation.

Wouldn't free pass imply universal approval and not constant debate and controversy over people liking her?

Why does Taylor Swift get a free pass from ILX?

lulz

I guess popists are scared of Lady Gaga because

1. She isn't R&B or hip-hop
2. She appeals to the same kinds of audiences that have made R&B/hip-hop very huge the past 10 years.

Why does Taylor Swift get a free pass from ILX?

New ILM board description?

2. She appeals to the same kinds of audiences that have made R&B/hip-hop very huge the past 10 years.

would you say that she has a "hood pass"?

I guess popists are scared of Lady Gaga because

most popists are generally pro her (and R&B), what are you talking about?

she has a hood pass AND a hongro pass

lol history mayne

also if it makes anyone feel better i think taylor swift is pretty shitty

he1go pass REVOKED

how will she go on??? ;_;

there's a perfectly good lady gaga thread at

Lady Gaga needs her own thread

ppl could bump that one with gaga news since it doesn't have a stupid Q in the title

people pick the worst possible threads to bump here all the time (for instance, "Haiti: WTF?" became the post-earthquake thread and "If you hate J.D. Salinger sooooooo much" the official RIP thread), at least with this one it's funny to keep reviving it.

"Haiti: WTF?" became the post-earthquake thread

WOW.

yeah...i kind of stared at it on the New Answers page for the longest time with my jaw hanging open

how is this a bad thread to bump????

are you an alien?

yes

why does lady gaga get a free pass from martians?

it's a dumb thing to bump because there was a thread with actual discussion in it that people use all the time and wasn't started by a sockpuppet

this one has a better title tho

It's gonna be weird looking back at stuff in decades to come and seeing people riled up about hipster this and hipster that. It's like people complaining about beatniks, or Dean Martin going on about the Rolling Stones.

lady gaga doesnt work with with my personal brand

whose sockpuppet was makeitpop?

She's very Kafkaesque

... meaning she looks like a giant beetle?

Why did Baby Gaga get a free Pabst from hipsters?

http://media.ebaumsworld.com/picture/Linkman81/PabstBlueRibbon.png

why do white people hate lady gaga?

http://thequietus.com/articles/03783-why-lady-gaga-beats-lou-reed-david-bowie-and-iggy-pop-in-a-chicken-minute

We’re slap-bang in the middle of a pop era which is seeing singers knowingly redefining themselves and creating personas. Every single one of them is aping GaGa’s moves. Beyonce wanted a piece of the GaGa action and Rihanna went from being the archetypal ghetto hustler to someone between the two.

yessir

gaga is awesome

I dunno about Rihanna -- her image kinda is what it is since before Gaga hit, and the changes she have made seem far more tied to the Chris Brown thing than any attempt to respond to passing trends

sry yeah that was a sarcastic yessir

look at that writer! look at them! everyone quick look at them! be outraged! QUICK PLEASE LOOK AT THEM!

haha -- well Beyonce I would actually agree with, she wasn't doing anything remotely like the "Videophone" vid before Gaga, but Rihanna's new videos are totally of a piece with "Disturbia," "Shut Up And Drive," various award show performances, etc.

so glad lady gaga invented being weird and arty--really hope this catches on!

nina who? klaus what?

it seems like the quietes runs a lot of terrible articles not about indie music

http://ichlugebullets.wordpress.com/2010/02/25/mof-gimmers-white-man-be-listening-to-lady-gaga-like-this-black-man-be-listening-to-lady-gaga-like-this/

weird thing about this quietus thing is i'm pretty sure everyone including rock critics have pretty fully embraced lady gaga by now. who is he even talking about?

<3 dom

such a sad loss

being called mof gimmers really is about as british as it gets isn't it?

Can we bring Dom back?

this sentence

Beyonce wanted a piece of the GaGa action and Rihanna went from being the archetypal ghetto hustler to someone between the two.

kind of invalidates the whole idea that mof gimmers is qualified to talk abt contemporary pop music

Can we bring Dom back?

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The most obviously stupid thing about it is that all of the Gaga fans I know are white. Very white.
Is 'the ghetto' currently full of black folks who really 'get it' and are rollin with Just Dance pumping out of their car stereos, laughing at all of us whities who only get down to Tom Petty and Joanna Newsom? :-(

black people = cultural legitimacy, white people = thieves and colonizers, dorks. Same old stuff.

As in, argument tropes white people make to assert points.

dom was an unpleasant bro iirc, also crepey

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aw it's cute that you're still holding a torch, hope he appreciates it.

i don't want to give the quietus my custom by clicking the link again but wtf was with john doran's defensive comment frenzy? nagl.

he genuinely doesn't realize that describing Rihanna as the archetypal ghetto hustler should disqualify you from writing about popular music.

aw it's cute that you're still holding a torch, hope he appreciates it.

o no u dint

"i don't want to give the quietus my custom by clicking the link again but wtf was with john doran's defensive comment frenzy? nagl."

Best bit about that was how, when his argument got completely dismantled by fellow commenters he went into panic mode and resorted to ad hom-ish "LOL U CAN'T SPELL 'AVANT GARDE' LOL" tricks.

Generally I find this whole discussion about what black and white people listen to boring (why do they have to listen to different stuff in the first place?), but I still find that black people don't deserve to be underrated in that one believes they are only interested in manufactored and mass produced corporate pop. I would choose to believe black people are also able to understand artistic value in pop music, and pop music as having actual artistic merit rather than just business.

And Lady Gaga's fans are probably mostly white anyway.

And btw I also hope the same goes for white middle class people. That they don't let the upper class moneymen steal all their money with manufactured plastic pop, and that the middle class aren't alone in actually preferring more artistically thought out music.

I'm still laughing/offended at the term 'archetypal ghetto hustler' that's some bullshit...
The argument that black people do not really appreciate music with actual merit is totally false, you just have to look at the history of black culture and music to see that.
As for Rihanna, she is only able to be 'weird and edgy' because she's been so successful and has such an aggressive and smart marketing, production team etc. Plus other artists clearly paved the way like Grace Jones, Kelis, M.I.A and if anyone is aping Lady GaGa it is only because that is what is selling right now. If you don't really write your own lyrics (LIKE BEYONCE) or generally have any creative input into your music/style/image/personality (like Rihanna) then clearly you're only going to be about what will make you lots of dollar. It really just comes down to money imo.

The argument that black people do not really appreciate music with actual merit is totally false, you just have to look at the history of black culture and music to see that.

good to know

Lol sorry if I sound patronising

nah u jus sound dumb

"dance like there’s no-one watching, sing like there’s no-one listening and fuck like you’re being filmed" Ewwww.

Good to see that people are still writing pieces with the subtext: "In your face, lame-o indie strawman, I am a rock critic who enjoys an enormously popular and widely praised pop star. Please give me a fucking medal."

Rude

If you don't really write your own lyrics (LIKE BEYONCE) or generally have any creative input into your music/style/image/personality (like Rihanna) then clearly you're only going to be about what will make you lots of dollar. It really just comes down to money imo.

Alternatively, it is a take it or leave it from the big A&R guys at the record companies: "Either you perform the manufactured stuff that we have made for you to top the charts with, or just forget about the entire deal".

Wow. Those John Doran comments: Doctor Dre a pre-gangsta electro star in a homo-erotic health care themed electro dance act)

How would you describe World Class Wrekcing Kru if you had your tongue in your cheek? Have you heard the music/seen the photos?

Anyway, I'd just like to register my annoyance at The Quietus being called an indie site. Getting wound up by opinion pieces on the internet is your privilege. (For the extremely slow witted: we publish pieces designed to kick up a fuss about four times a year. The last one was on Florence and the Machine. The Guardian does it many, many, many times a day.) I didn't really think that much of the Mof piece, it just made me laugh out loud so I published it. If I were you I'd probably want to exercise my right by not clicking on my site. I'll really be suffering that 0.00001 pence pinch in my wallet until you and Dom Pass "accidentally" find yourself reading my us again.

But. We're not an indie site. We barely cover any compared to what we do (features wise) on leftfield music, post punk, synth pop, dubstep, metal, electronica. In comparison we barely cover it.

That's all.

"nah u jus sound dumb"

pots be calling kettle's, man.

haha ok "spinspin sugah"

leftfield music, post punk, synth pop, dubstep, metal, electronica

?O_o?, indie, indie, indie, not indie, indie

My name is Kevin.

looooooool xp

doran collabed with someone who wasn't indie or clueless or racist once. the quietus is the archetypal non-indie non-racist non-clueless website.

For the extremely slow witted: we publish pieces designed to kick up a fuss about four times a year.

So I guess we can expect to find you here being defensive 3 more times this year after your hoped for fusses get kicked up.

lol when will people realize coming to defend your shitty thinkpiece on a message board only makes you look more dum

Um tbf he is a regular poster here, it would kind of be more incongruous to just pretend not to have seen it

oh, my bad.

The argument that black people do not really appreciate music with actual merit is totally false, you just have to look at the history of black culture and music to see that.

*opens 'history of black culture and music' textbook*

lol I did sound like a arse! but in my defense I was hungover and not really reading the post....not that that is really an excuse urgh.
I liked the argument between the owner of the site and one of the commenters, that was the best part about the article.

wow. [nabisco] should have saved his "using black ppl as pawns in games of music nerd one-upsmanship" for this maybe

ILM users see everyone as pawns in games of music nerd one-upsmanship

Even Lady GaGa can be celibate. You don't have to have sex to be loved.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304370304575151541851806562.html

why does lady gaga get a free pass when it comes to terrorism

ha that's already been taken apart hardcore by a couple different ppl

I just like the title

Are settlements more offensive than pop stars?

ans: nope!

depends on the pop star

Lady Gaga > Israeli settlements > Katy Perry

My 6 year old cousin just overheard my sister playing Lady Gaga and she came asking her "why does she stutter in all her songs? Does she have a problem?" Never really thought about it but:

Just Dance: Just, j-j-just dance
Pokerface: po-po-po-poker face po-po-poker face
Paparazzi: papa-paparazzi
Bad Romance: Rah-rah-ah-ah-ah! Roma-Roma-ma-ah! Ga-ga-ooh-la-la!
Telephone: I am sick and tired of my phone r-ringin.
Future Love: I want a f-f-f-f-future man, I wanna f-fuck you as hard as I can.
Monster: That boy is a monster, m-m-m-monster

Found another one:

Dirty Ice Cream: When you call or incessantly t-t-text me

Well what do you think, she also stutters on her new single:

Alejandro, Alejandro, Ale-ale-jandro, Ale-ale-jandro.

yea this is a definite trick for her. i think she uses it to break up the pace in the melody. i like it.

lol @ "does she have a problem"

Jack White 'Got Quite Into Being Lady Gaga' While Writing New Song

Lady Gaga is a lot of things: songstress, trend-setter, lover of little monsters, and, apparently, an inspiration to White Stripes singer Jack White. He said he thought about how she writes music and "got quite into being Lady Gaga" while writing a track for his band The Dead Weather, called "Sea of Cowards."

Jack said: "I was thinking of the type of song a contemporary musician would write, so I started thinking about Lady Gaga. I started thinking of how she would write the music to this song and got quite into being Lady Gaga in an odd way."

Despite Jack's foray into Lady Gaga musical territory, the rocker insists the group's second album builds on the sound established on their debut, Horehound, which was released last year and was recorded quickly in order to capture the band's energy.

I realized I wasn't crazy about Poker Face after all

She seems like a fairly decent person (although she did once sue a chef into oblivion for calling herself Lady Aga), but the music is over-produced landfill.

The arc of her album sales is shaped like a soft letter L:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Gaga_discography#Studio_albums

WRONG:

I like that song “Shallow.” The sort of thing you can picture a boy and girl doing on Lawrence Welk.

— Richard M. Nixon (@dick_nixon) May 5, 2019

really missing the point at which it seemed lady gaga's music was imminently going to turn into client

Some grisly posts basically the whole way through this thread

she did once sue a chef into oblivion for calling herself Lady Aga

I looked this up — seems like she sent a C&D letter, but there was no lawsuit

the cobrasnake era was fucking dark