Lady Gaga needs her own thread

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she only has two threads and they are both dedicated to metacritical analysis of her career in the context of contemporary pop mzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

The Fame was ridiculously solid and based on the leaked tracks, The Fame Monster should be just as strong. Sometimes I feel as if all my favorite pop acts peaked in the first part of the decade, I like that there's someone who I enjoy and seems to be on top of her game right now.

musically, Friday, 13 November 2009 01:24 (4 years ago) Permalink

i can't wait to read this thread of non-analytic posts

see-those-tit-ies (J0rdan S.), Friday, 13 November 2009 01:27 (4 years ago) Permalink

musically, Friday, 13 November 2009 01:27 (4 years ago) Permalink

*doesn't analyze*

see-those-tit-ies (J0rdan S.), Friday, 13 November 2009 01:27 (4 years ago) Permalink

lol

hoos-kingofthedrugs (deej), Friday, 13 November 2009 01:28 (4 years ago) Permalink

nothing against analysis, i just want to post youtube vids of leaked trax

musically, Friday, 13 November 2009 01:28 (4 years ago) Permalink

so... lock thread?

see-those-tit-ies (J0rdan S.), Friday, 13 November 2009 01:29 (4 years ago) Permalink

I just hope the new album doesn't get a free pass from hipsters

iatee, Friday, 13 November 2009 01:29 (4 years ago) Permalink

i'm sorry that the existence of the threads offends you so deeply

musically, Friday, 13 November 2009 01:32 (4 years ago) Permalink

dude she's a dude dude

The Velvet Underground & Nico Rosberg (King Boy Pato), Friday, 13 November 2009 01:33 (4 years ago) Permalink

ha well yes, i do find the idea that posts actually analyzing & discussing lady gaga and her place in pop music are too boring for youtubes of leaked songs

see-those-tit-ies (J0rdan S.), Friday, 13 November 2009 01:34 (4 years ago) Permalink

to be "offensive" & sniveling

see-those-tit-ies (J0rdan S.), Friday, 13 November 2009 01:35 (4 years ago) Permalink

there's some great non-analytic posts about lady gaga on this site called idolator, you should check it out

some dude, Friday, 13 November 2009 01:35 (4 years ago) Permalink

neither of the other two posts are Gaga-centric, unless you enjoy the criminal misuse of the word "hipster"...ILX isn't running out of space so let's give her a deserved dedicated thread

musically, Friday, 13 November 2009 01:41 (4 years ago) Permalink

i think we're getting into a bit of analysis here, let's pull back before things get out of hand

see-those-tit-ies (J0rdan S.), Friday, 13 November 2009 01:43 (4 years ago) Permalink

gaga ruelz

The Brainwasher, Friday, 13 November 2009 01:47 (4 years ago) Permalink

i heard bad romance this morning and it hit me how 80s it is, but not in the typical gaga 80s way, in like a new order way or something. i don't know, i'm bad with labels. there ya have it.

oops i accidentally made it personal (surm), Friday, 13 November 2009 01:56 (4 years ago) Permalink

sometimes, i sound so smart.

oops i accidentally made it personal (surm), Friday, 13 November 2009 01:57 (4 years ago) Permalink

anyway here's my random story: back when she was someone that only dance radio DJs had heard of she was doing concerts for high school radio stations (although to be fair this was a Billboard radio station so it's big time as HS stations go) and I saw her do a set. This was before she had any budget and I think before she really had committed to the character of "Lady Gaga"; she wasn't wearing pants but her face was unobstructed so who knows where she was at that point. I wish I remembered more about her set, but I do remember a few songs that I loved I'm pretty sure didn't make the cut of her first album...I couldn't even hum them if I tried but if I heard them I'd recognize them. One of them was very dancey but the others were ballads that would likely be out of place on either album without some significant remix efforts. I caught up with her during the meet & greet and I remarked about the dichotomy between Lady Gaga who sang about disco sticks and bluffin muffins and the real Stefani (sp) Germanotta (double sp) who sang these soulful almost straight-forward literal bluesy jams and she said something about how she loved the interplay between her personalities and etc so I'm interested in seeing how/if she's going to carry that over to her next "phase". I can't see her doing the same thing with the same look and the same kind of (albeit quite wonderful) song when she moves past The Fame era. But from what I remember, minus all the affect she is rather excellent so I'm looking forward to it.

musically, Friday, 13 November 2009 01:57 (4 years ago) Permalink

did you see her adam's apple?

iatee, Friday, 13 November 2009 02:00 (4 years ago) Permalink

I always failed that episode of Maury so I might not even have spotted it, however that leotard did not leave much room for anything extra so I'll have to go with verdict: female

musically, Friday, 13 November 2009 02:02 (4 years ago) Permalink

gaga ruelz

billstevejim, Friday, 13 November 2009 02:05 (4 years ago) Permalink

it's interesting, this love for gaga on ilx. i didn't think there was much love at first, but now there seems to be a lot!

i kind of pick and choose songs from her.

got into just dance a little while ago, and i hated on it at first!

oops i accidentally made it personal (surm), Friday, 13 November 2009 02:07 (4 years ago) Permalink

i think she's just kind of reached that plateau of hugeness where there's instantly a little more interest or regard given to whether she's good than a year ago when she was just someone with a hit song -- i dunno, there's nothing about her voice or her songs or her sound that grabs me personally.

some dude, Friday, 13 November 2009 02:25 (4 years ago) Permalink

"paparazzi" and "bad romance" are also arguably her best songs, so that might explain the uptick in popularity on this board

see-those-tit-ies (J0rdan S.), Friday, 13 November 2009 02:27 (4 years ago) Permalink

"Alejandro" reminds me a bit of Ace Of Base. Actually, everything she does always reminds me a bit of something else. She's (trying to be?)the biggest melting pot of everything that existed in pop music for the last 25 years.

LeRooLeRoo, Friday, 13 November 2009 02:43 (4 years ago) Permalink

Jordan is correct.

Tim F, Friday, 13 November 2009 02:46 (4 years ago) Permalink

I agree.

LeRooLeRoo, Friday, 13 November 2009 02:54 (4 years ago) Permalink

Alejandro = Ace of Base redux. I still think most of her music is strictly for tacky queers, but her acoustic sets are her only redeeming quality and deserve their own album.

Spinspin Sugah, Friday, 13 November 2009 03:08 (4 years ago) Permalink

I don't understand the "biggest melting pot" thing...sure there are a couple different things going on in her music at once, but that can be said of virtually everything else on the pop charts.

some dude, Friday, 13 November 2009 03:09 (4 years ago) Permalink

"tacky queers"... wow :|

The Brainwasher, Friday, 13 November 2009 03:09 (4 years ago) Permalink

I'm a queer, if that helps.

Spinspin Sugah, Friday, 13 November 2009 03:10 (4 years ago) Permalink

helps explain why you're tacky enough to like Lady Gaga?

some dude, Friday, 13 November 2009 03:16 (4 years ago) Permalink

wow, you're a GENIUS...who obviously can't read.

Spinspin Sugah, Friday, 13 November 2009 03:20 (4 years ago) Permalink

so like my aptitude is mainly in math or something?

some dude, Friday, 13 November 2009 03:21 (4 years ago) Permalink

remember that you also speak 5+ languages

see-those-tit-ies (J0rdan S.), Friday, 13 November 2009 03:24 (4 years ago) Permalink

and also fluent in talking shit....don't forget that.

Spinspin Sugah, Friday, 13 November 2009 03:27 (4 years ago) Permalink

If Gaga makes tacky queer music then I think it's impressive that she's managed to impact the mainstream charts as she has.  All social implications aside it's certainly unusual, considering that hip-hop/rnb have dominated the charts for so much of the decade.  Is this a harbinger of things to come?

(I know she has been called rnb but personally I file her squarely under pop)

musically, Friday, 13 November 2009 03:35 (4 years ago) Permalink

All I needed to know about the popularity of "Bad Romance": the emo-loving anti-pop/anti-life recruitment editor at the newspaper has been humming the chorus all day, and sheepishly apologizing each time.

Hell is other people. In an ILE film forum. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 13 November 2009 03:37 (4 years ago) Permalink

I fucking love her videos, and thought her MTV Awards performance was fantastic, but not one of her songs has been worth a crap yet. "Paparazzi" comes closest to being good, but even that falls flat for me. The melodies and choruses just aren't strong enough, and they're musically very ordinary. They have to be worthy of the videos, and so far they're not.

neither good nor bad, just a kid like you (unperson), Friday, 13 November 2009 03:45 (4 years ago) Permalink

if u think theres no 'tacky queer music' in mainstream r&b youre kidding yourself

hoos-kingofthedrugs (deej), Friday, 13 November 2009 03:46 (4 years ago) Permalink

finally gave in and listened to 'bad romance'. she's still a regrettable being but it's easily the best song i've heard from her. faint praise, but it's a decent song

k3vin k., Friday, 13 November 2009 03:47 (4 years ago) Permalink

i'd love to know who in mainstream r&b makes "music strictly for tacky queers" so i can buy their album

musically, Friday, 13 November 2009 03:55 (4 years ago) Permalink

ne-yo?

see-those-tit-ies (J0rdan S.), Friday, 13 November 2009 03:56 (4 years ago) Permalink

when I think of rnb for tacky queers I think of something like Boom Boom Pow, except better.

musically, Friday, 13 November 2009 03:59 (4 years ago) Permalink

It's hardly new or surprising that she's as successful as she is...even among the TACKY QUEERS. She wrote for Britney and obviously can write annoyingly catchy, disposable pop, but it's still pretty impressive how we're talking about her in the context of competing with hip hop/r&b....or rather, you are. I loathed even hearing people say "GaGa" up until I saw her acoustic performance of Poker Face, which was beyond entertaining. I think she's purely a spectacle at this point, with the potential to be more later. It's like, I'm reluctant to give her ANY credit, but you can't deny the obvious "Gaga Effect" that's taken place in music since her arrival. For better or for worse, she is going to be referenced for a while.

Spinspin Sugah, Friday, 13 November 2009 04:00 (4 years ago) Permalink

i think what annoys (annoyed? havent decided if im indifferent yet) is that it came across as so obviously trying hard to be exactly that.

hoos-kingofthedrugs (deej), Friday, 13 November 2009 04:03 (4 years ago) Permalink

Ne-Yo? Queer, certainly. Tacky...isn't that sort of the opposite of how he tries to code? His music's all buttoned-up class most of the time.

I won't deny that GaGa plays to the cheap seats and the trashiest common denominator, but there are enough redeeming qualities buried underneath all the bullshit that my attempts to write off or ignore her altogether have been unsustainable. What bothers me most about her at this point is that she has a half-decent idea of a commentary on the state of music, fame and celebrity in the 21st century, as well as raw musical chops (plays a decent piano, has a decent voice, knows her way around a hook or two) but somehow manages to (either through lack of effort or lack of experience) only release half-assed product most of the time. Like...the videos and the music and the performance art are all strike as if they were made by someone who had a really brilliant idea once but doesn't quite remember what it was.

wrapped up, packed up, ribbon with a donk on it (Alex in Montreal), Friday, 13 November 2009 04:03 (4 years ago) Permalink

i wasn't serious about ne-yo

see-those-tit-ies (J0rdan S.), Friday, 13 November 2009 04:04 (4 years ago) Permalink

boo!

Hell is other people. In an ILE film forum. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 13 November 2009 04:05 (4 years ago) Permalink

cool i'm glad we agree

janice (surm), Friday, 15 October 2010 17:50 (3 years ago) Permalink

+ i assume it's a demo, so if it's actually a single it will likely be much grander

truly blunted rhyme fiend (J0rdan S.), Friday, 15 October 2010 17:57 (3 years ago) Permalink

this + "you and I" is a promising 1-2 punch for me

janice (surm), Friday, 15 October 2010 18:16 (3 years ago) Permalink

maybe even very promising

janice (surm), Friday, 15 October 2010 18:18 (3 years ago) Permalink

This is a pretty old song though. She didn't write it ("Like A Virgin" autor Billy Steinberg did) and it's either a several year old demo that Gaga sings on (or made to sound like her to get her to sing it).

Stockhausen's Helicopter Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Friday, 15 October 2010 19:32 (3 years ago) Permalink

that's funny, i was just thinking about Billy Steinberg yesterday, while listening to "how do i make you", wondering what he's been up to all these years since he was a bit of a hit factory. [his family owns huge grape farms in Thermal (Calif.) and i actually grew up down the street from his house (in palm springs)]

KC & the sunshine banned (outdoor_miner), Friday, 15 October 2010 19:40 (3 years ago) Permalink

really!

janice (surm), Friday, 15 October 2010 19:42 (3 years ago) Permalink

interesting to know he wrote like a virgin. i love that song so much.

janice (surm), Friday, 15 October 2010 19:45 (3 years ago) Permalink

i forgot he wrote true colors, too
http://www.record-producers.com/roster/billy-steinberg/discography.shtml

KC & the sunshine banned (outdoor_miner), Friday, 15 October 2010 19:53 (3 years ago) Permalink

and eternal flame!

janice (surm), Friday, 15 October 2010 19:57 (3 years ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2011/jan/04/lady-gaga-new-album-release

Lady Gaga rang in the New Year by announcing her new album's release date – and by showing us her bum. At 12:01 am on New Year's Day, the pop star revealed a possible cover for Born This Way, due in May, unveiling a photograph of her bare behind.

The black and white picture, posted on Twitter, was shot by British fashion photographer Nick Knight, who has previously worked with Björk and Antony Hegarty. It shows a woman we take to be Gaga, with her back to the camera, wearing only a denim jacket with the words Born This Way emblazoned in rhinestones and spraypaint.

The photograph recalls the cover of a mid-90s Madonna single, or perhaps a Girls EP. But for an artist whose Dadaist gowns and meaty frocks are almost as famous as her music, the image is decidedly dull. Although Gaga hasn't said that the picture will appear as part of Born This Way's final artwork, we hope this isn't the direction she is headed in. Stripped of her avant-garde artifice and fiery bras, Gaga becomes perhaps less interesting.

Then again, she'll always have her bum. "I think no pants is sexy," she told the Daily Star in 2009. "I love the naked human body." Those were the days when not wearing trousers was one of Gaga's biggest claims to fame. "My grandmother is basically blind," she explained to Rolling Stone, "but she can make out the lighter parts, like my skin and hair. She says, 'I can see you, because you have no pants on'. So I'll continue to wear no pants so that my grandma can see me."

Lady Gaga also tweeted two dates: "THE SONG 2 13 11 THE RECORD 5 23 11." As 23 May is a Monday, this is most likely the album's release date. As for 13 February, a Sunday, this is the date of the Grammy awards – suggesting that Gaga may perform. As it will still be winter, we suggest she wear some trousers.

Dr. (Johnny Fever), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 16:52 (3 years ago) Permalink

lol @ the speculating on a promo photo's indication of her creative direction as if it's the actual song or something

washa flocka brain (some dude), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 17:00 (3 years ago) Permalink

That's the Guardian.

Dr. (Johnny Fever), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 17:00 (3 years ago) Permalink

(ha! Should be the name of a sitcom..."That's the Guardian!")

Dr. (Johnny Fever), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 17:01 (3 years ago) Permalink

oh i know it was them and you were just quoting. just saying.

washa flocka brain (some dude), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 17:01 (3 years ago) Permalink

That is funny about the "no pants" thing. She has a skinny butt but it is normal, not like a dancer's or athlete's butt, which is weird to see in mainstream media.

Cubby Wubby Nubby Hubby Dubby (u s steel), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 17:03 (3 years ago) Permalink

The photograph recalls the cover of a mid-90s Madonna single, or perhaps a Girls EP.

It looks nothing like either.

prolego, Tuesday, 4 January 2011 18:52 (3 years ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

Why isn't the "harpsicord synth" at the beginning of the "Bad Romance" video included in the actual track outside the video? Would have been one of the coolest intros ever.

You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Saturday, 22 January 2011 01:37 (3 years ago) Permalink

Not a bad song, but omg the "Alejandro" video is one of the dumbest things I've ever seen.

kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Friday, 4 February 2011 15:14 (3 years ago) Permalink

5 months pass...

They are using "Teeth" in ads for Shark Week!

these goons were made for waka (The Reverend), Monday, 11 July 2011 01:29 (3 years ago) Permalink

I feel like this is a great development.

these goons were made for waka (The Reverend), Monday, 11 July 2011 01:29 (3 years ago) Permalink

holy crap, I kinda knew she could sing, but

StanM, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 14:55 (3 years ago) Permalink

"... and let's all dance in the middle, in purgatory"

"hm"

thomp, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 15:07 (3 years ago) Permalink

Stan, she's been doing performances like this since "Poker Face"

a variable (sic) "League of Nations" (DJP), Wednesday, 20 July 2011 15:11 (3 years ago) Permalink

But but... I didn't know! :-(

StanM, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 15:31 (3 years ago) Permalink

i'm surprised, given how you watch the tabloids like a hawk

lex pretend, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 15:33 (3 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, fuck you too.

StanM, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 15:54 (3 years ago) Permalink

hey now, little monsters. Gaga does not stand for that shit.

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Wednesday, 20 July 2011 16:06 (3 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...

I had Fame Monster on repeat all weekend. So much better than The Fame. I think I like it more than Born This Way too. BTW is v patchy for me.

Dance in The Dark KILLS.

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 18 February 2013 18:35 (1 year ago) Permalink

When is she going to have a new song? Kind of depressing to see Rihanna and Katy Perry pump out track after track while LG had zero charting singles in 2012.

skip, Monday, 18 February 2013 18:38 (1 year ago) Permalink

Wow, fun coincidence, I just broke these albums out again last night to introduce my lady acquaintance to the album cuts. Fame Monster still sounds great the entire way through.

I'm happy to see her taking a little time though to be honest - as I've said elsewhere (maybe in this thread) I feel like most of BTW's issues stem from just being generally underwritten between all the touring and appearances and costumes and shows and everything. Which were a key part of the Imperial Gaga Experience, but meant a loss in the details on record. IMHO!

Doctor Casino, Monday, 18 February 2013 19:00 (1 year ago) Permalink

katy perry hasn't really pumped out any tracks though? everything has been essentially album leftovers. (but judging by the leaks of late I am perfectly fine with her not releasing any new songs at the moment)

katherine, Monday, 18 February 2013 19:01 (1 year ago) Permalink

well skip was contrasting with "LG had zero charting singles in 2012" -- KP had three song in the top 10 in '12

weed, tumblr whites and wein (some dude), Monday, 18 February 2013 19:19 (1 year ago) Permalink

songS

weed, tumblr whites and wein (some dude), Monday, 18 February 2013 19:19 (1 year ago) Permalink

yes, that's true, looking at her discography KP has milked the Teenage Dream sessions for for all they're worth. For the listener who's only exposed to the tracks from radio play, though, that's less important, and doesn't alleviate the ubiquity of it all...KP hasn't had a song miss the top 3 since 2009 - eight consecutive top 3's starting with California Gurls, including five consecutive #1's. Gaga hasn't had a top 3 since May 2011 (Edge of Glory).

skip, Monday, 18 February 2013 20:34 (1 year ago) Permalink

taking a little time
she's been on tour for the last year

fit and working again, Monday, 18 February 2013 21:28 (1 year ago) Permalink

I think she'll get things done quicker now that she's cancelled her tour to recover from muscle problems or whatever.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 18 February 2013 21:38 (1 year ago) Permalink

gaga's tendency to do most of her touring, especially in the US, between album cycles when no singles are out, is odd

weed, tumblr whites and wein (some dude), Monday, 18 February 2013 21:43 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah she's really kinda evaporated from pop culture, it's weird

J0rdan S., Monday, 18 February 2013 21:44 (1 year ago) Permalink

what, more than any other artist who's between albums and hasn't put out new material in 1.5 years?

this assumption that pop stars have to be in the headlines or active at all times is odd, and it's impt to remember, quite recent, and the unrelenting ubiquity of rihanna is still the exception not the rule

lex pretend, Tuesday, 19 February 2013 09:38 (1 year ago) Permalink

really read gaga's last rites if she drops a single/album and then no one cares

lex pretend, Tuesday, 19 February 2013 09:38 (1 year ago) Permalink

I think in her case her constant touring and apparent off-cycle touring is a practical compromise. She's truly a global star, so she has to constantly tour to meet demand. Someone like Rihanna seems to be doing the same thing, down to recording on the road (which Gaga did for "Born This Way"). I'm sort of intrigued that Taylor Swift isn't touring until summer. That's a long time from now, and I know she's about to release her third single, but none of them so far seem strong or ubiquitous enough to carry her all the way to July. Lex will have an opinion on that, I'm sure.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 19 February 2013 12:48 (1 year ago) Permalink

is that a zing or something? i don't really.

lex pretend, Tuesday, 19 February 2013 12:55 (1 year ago) Permalink

It was only 5% zing, but I am genuinely curious if you think the Swift "Red" train is traveling fast enough to carry her to mid summer.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 19 February 2013 12:57 (1 year ago) Permalink

imo you need to get over your odd concern with the levels of enthusiasm people display in the taylor swift threads. oh no, people being excited about an artist, how awful.

really not into fans/critics talking like record label executives and poring over sales figures and whatnot just to declare that x or y has "flopped", though it's pretty obvious this is swift's most commercially successful era to date, which isn't necessarily good news, as it means she's wheeling "22" out as the next single :(

lex pretend, Tuesday, 19 February 2013 13:02 (1 year ago) Permalink

why does everyone hate 22, it's so joyous.

monotony, Tuesday, 19 February 2013 13:38 (1 year ago) Permalink

I don't have any concern whatsoever, Lex. I was simply impressed that she was touring football arenas (capacity: 65,000 or so), which is enough of an anomaly these days that I was wondering if she could fill it. Straight curiosity. Swift will do just fine with or without my support.

The only enthusiasm I've made fun of on the Swift thread is the squeeeee!-like levels of over-enthusiasm, imo. Which isn't even necessarily unwarranted, just easy to make fun of.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 19 February 2013 13:45 (1 year ago) Permalink

i don't think it really matters if a really huge artist tours late in the album cycle -- if anything it matters more when tickets go onsale, in terms of whether they're trying for a quick sellout, or if they want to sell tickets quickly enough that nobody considers moving it to a smaller venue. the Gaga thing is unique just because she only seems to be in America in off-cycles, seemed to be off the road or out of the country the entire time Born This Way was actually selling and spinning off hits.

some dude, Tuesday, 19 February 2013 13:56 (1 year ago) Permalink

I did think that was weird, but I think it's be because she simply can't tour behind the album all the time, everywhere. She was touring the US right before it came out; when I last saw her, she encored with "Born This Way," which was then all over the place. That was indeed about a year and a half ago, to the month. But she's been touring non-stop ever since. Looking at her setlist, the US dates would have still gotten a "Born This Way"-heavy show. It's weird to be at the end of a tour cycle for an album, but I suppose that's how everyone else feels most of the time!

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 19 February 2013 14:01 (1 year ago) Permalink

this assumption that pop stars have to be in the headlines or active at all times is odd, and it's impt to remember, quite recent, and the unrelenting ubiquity of rihanna is still the exception not the rule

This is not a recent assumption at all. Michael Jackson sang lead on a single, either solo or with the Jackson 5, every year between 1969 and 1975, then did it again between 1991 and 1997. Madonna released at least one single every year between 1982 and 1994. Prince released at least one single every year from 1976 to 2001. The Beatles released a single every year that they were together as a band. Celine Dion released at least one single every year from 1981 through 2008. etc etc etc

Ima R.A.E.D. (DJP), Tuesday, 19 February 2013 17:18 (1 year ago) Permalink


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