ask deej

wtf who reads blogs

deej,

what's the best Do Or Die album?

???

http://kore.mitene.or.jp/~jamboree/readyfortheworld.jpg

-vs-

http://myspace-112.vo.llnwd.net/01010/21/18/1010698112_l.jpg

-vs-

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000002LAU.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

whats serg's email?

what do you think of shaq's 'strait playin' (prod dj quik)

my favorite do or die album is the first, but headz or tailz and back to the game ("Diamenz"!) are both pretty great, victory is inconsistent w/ some good moments and one great one ("can u make it hot") and the newer one was trash (save the b-sides collection tho, its called 'get that paper'). I haven't listened to 'pimpin aint dead' more than once but i need to. Belo's solo album has some great shit on it too

scott - timex soc club

jk i havent heard the others, i don't think.

to Al, i shd also mention that any do or die song feat. johnny p will probably be classic

Serg's email should be on his site isn't it? he's been using a couple of them, i assume the current one is there.

re: strait playin, thats some great classic quik material

unlike quik's collab w/ do or die

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHhW_4JGQQ0

there's the belo single. i thought it was pretty great

serg's email is not on his site

are you still using yr hotmail add, i'll email it to you

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuvBpGVANYA

WHUTCHA WANT NINE

an ill posse

Why is DJ Quik rapping like that on the Fixxers single?

is there a more inexplicable rap name than "Jizzal Man"?

ayo deej

isn't it totally tragic and fucked up when the penguins put Danny DeVito's body into the frozen lake at the end of Batman Returns?

Are you a J?

isn't it totally tragic and fucked up when the penguins put Danny DeVito's body into the frozen lake at the end of Batman Returns?

-- BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 22 July 2007 09:41 (5 hours ago) Link

big hoos otm

daerest deej

What is your favorite mixtape that nobody else seems to know about?

Why is DJ Quik rapping like that on the Fixxers single?

-- The Reverend, Sunday, July 22, 2007 8:37 AM (15 hours ago) Bookmark Link

he likes his eggs & onions cheesy

is there a more inexplicable rap name than "Jizzal Man"?

-- Jordan Sargent, Sunday, July 22, 2007 9:08 AM (14 hours ago) Bookmark Link

TS: young hot rod vs. curtains

isn't it totally tragic and fucked up when the penguins put Danny DeVito's body into the frozen lake at the end of Batman Returns?

-- BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 22 July 2007 09:41 (5 hours ago) Link

big hoos otm

-- and what, Sunday, July 22, 2007 3:23 PM (8 hours ago) Bookmark Link

Are you a J?

-- The Reverend, Sunday, July 22, 2007 9:58 AM (14 hours ago) Bookmark Link

imajayyyyyyy imajayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!

daerest deej

What is your favorite mixtape that nobody else seems to know about?

-- Ned Raggett, Sunday, July 22, 2007 3:30 PM (8 hours ago) Bookmark Link

http://chibangin.com/sounds/chibangin.com_sampler.mp3

ChiBangin.com Presents
"Killaz, Crooks & Come-Ups"

assuming 'nobody' means on ilx obv

Obv.

Dear deej,

Who is a better writer, you or this guy:

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/1416520805.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

i don't know about writing, but that dude looks like a #1 DJ for sure

i think that's dan marino.

http://www.cbswatchmagazine.com/images/Fashion/Dan_Marino_3.jpg

ok srs lolz @ golden harbor but maybe just cause of beers

giving up the golden harbor
she is straining to make peace with her decision weve all been there hon

http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/images/n44/n220415.jpg

http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/images/t0/t2988.jpg

http://www.sfsite.com/gra/0708/bflg.jpg

deej-

what was the worst crossfade we heard tonite?

-gr8080

hahhaa

dude i cant even remember. there were some rough ones. i need to add yr dj friend on myspace tho, he was good

to the rev - i'm not gonna talk shit about the dude who keeps me from being easily googleable

deej, when ilx was down a few weeks back (for some gawd awful reason i don't remember) i ended up at the soulstrut forums and you were in some argument over the pretty toney album and said some stuff about Tush (i'm with you on it btw, great song). you mentioned the patrick adams musique album. you're just mentioning that he says 'push push push', right? not that it's the sample source? because i need to know what the fuck they sampled in that song. the one time i met ghostface, i seriously should have asked him that. it's killing me.

hah i figured out the sample source very recently ... i forget how i found out but i do know it! Its from some mid 70s r&b album that is fairly obscure (could have guessed right?) Let me see if i can figure it out again

figure it out = use google

apparently its the best of both world's "naked truth"

off this album:

http://ring.cdandlp.com/fih/photo_grande/113125482.jpg

Rare funk lp. Kind of mix between Exit 9 & Ripple. Incl. Broad jumping, Greedy green, Momma bakes buscuits, lost in a shuffle of love, naked truth. Cover in shrink.

from 1975

thank you sir.

deej, i'm trying to remember the name of this lp i wanted to find, it's a 70s J.B.s-ish funk group led by trombone player, do you have any idea what i'm thinking of?

i think i saw it at dusty groove once?

a few days ago somebody called me a "post-dance hipster"

do you consider yourself "post-rap"

Godspeed You! Trice Emperor

jordan - no idea.

moonship - good q, i'm not quite sure what you mean by 'post dance hipster' but if you mean it like ... the method of exploring music? imaginary revivalist community of internet-linked connoisseurs or something, then nah i would say that message boards and internet nerdery are basically the 5th element of modern rap at this point, nothing pomo about it. ive also compartmentalized my rap listening and my disco listening w/ the sole exception of the dj quik overlap so it doesnt really feel like there is much removal, i'm basically following the same channels i did when i was 16 via napster. any shifts are a function of age.

maybe i dont understand the question

GOD SPEED aka you! triceemperor

-- BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, December 15, 2007 1:56 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Link

v.s. naipaul? really?

are u not a fan?? i am sympathetic to some of the criticism but he has a way w language

'a house for mr. biswas' = A+

oof just read wiki entry on him. had no idea about the middle passage or an area of darkness

there is no room for nuance in a facebook profile

yeah dude is a+ stylist but also a+ racist

is it baiting darnielle to remove the racist but leave hemingway

jk sorry for the ethan joek bite

lazy zing thread

http://library.lhs.usd497.org/Becca%20Raynes.jpg

lazy image zing thread

deej, here's that tush sample. it took me this long of soulseeking to get it

http://www.robotsinheat.com/trax/NakedTruth.mp3

^^^fire

'a house for mr. biswas' = A+

sorry I'm late for the bait but yeah biswas is fucking awesome

I love naipaul even though he's politically gone to shit I guess, although area of darkness didn't seem like some racist manifesto when I read in college. Guerillas is good if disturbing & the essay about the source incident is good too. I'll take practically anything from a stylist as good as Vidya tho.

nice, thanks!

xps but thanks too john

AYO

naipaul's not a racist, jeez

how u feel about this

http://youtube.com/watch?v=GmfAmpNoT5U

good but birdman's verse is useless and keke's done better, beat is straight though

what's the remix with the dude singing in place of birdman's verse? that's what gets radio play round her

here

dunno havent heard. i know this isnt ask big hoos, but hoos, have you heard 'whos the man' by zro and trae? fav rap single so far this year

does it get radio play down there?

zro + trae sounds awesome i will look it up

yah the keke gets played every now and again

http://www.thefader.com/articles/2008/2/6/audio-trae-f-z-ro-who-s-tha-man

love the idea of z-ro and trae a. putting out a single and b. it being 5+ minutes long

theyve recorded together many times

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guerilla_Maab

no no i know that wasn't what i meant, but i don't feel like explaining what i meant

also "assholes by nature"? trae seems like a pretty chill dude. must be the voice.

haha its ok just making sure

wow they must really like you over there

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d113/bearasma/DEEJYcopy.jpg

lol i have an appreciation thread on there right now

i dont go over there and get all 'the lex' or anything but just try thinking outside the box in that environment and it gets pretty whoa. dudes can be mad testy about funk 45s

i only scan it when i'm very, very bored. i tried to describe it to another ilxor as imagine 400 ethans all trying to outzing each other with a rich chum of bedroom producers as targets. and then everyone tries to get over one another in the sales section.

yet they have a healthy disrespect for thebreaks.com, which i appreciate.

deej,

how does it feel to be the sun of the ilx universe for these past few weeks?

-jordan

all i do now is play dumb, i havent a clue what u mean. 99% of my posts were on a board most ppl werent reading

what are these "hidden boards" i keep hearing about?

really it all turned out surprisingly predictably and so far there have been 0 wtf moments except where deej can't figure out why I'm mad at him

-- El Tomboto, Sunday, April 6, 2008 10:47 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Link

which is not really wtf so much as "really?"

-- El Tomboto, Sunday, April 6, 2008 10:47 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Link

seriously for real

-- El Tomboto, Sunday, April 6, 2008 10:48 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Link

Deej and Jordan S: or how can you post so friggan much and still have no discernible posting style or personality?
Jordan S, Deej and Hoos super jackoff sesh

np: "haterz everywhere"

these are not questions for 'ask deej'

super jackoff sesh time guyz

awesome

chaki wants in

so wait, does tombot actually think that the secret board would've remained secret and there would've been zero controversy if not for you and only you? wtf.

I think it's much less that and much more "I'm pissed at the pereson who full-on leaked its existence as the resultant petulant shitstorm wasn't funny enough to justify not thinking things through". He'd have been pissed at anyone who did that; deej just happened to be the unlucky one who got noticed.

well, as long as there's a scapegoat, i suppose.

used to think deej was an ethan dickrider
much like ethan was a jess dickrider however many years ago

but now his stock has gone way up
deej = a++++ poster

I keep reading that post to the tune of the first verse of "Big Momma Thang"

I used to be scaaaared of the deej

those first two posts are still completely inscrutable and awesome to me

http://www.trashfiction.co.uk/pets_crabs.jpg

you have to put your post in the form of a question

deej, shut the fuck up. me and everyone else has had enough of this insecure meta bullshit from you lately. youre the worst poster on ilm and on 77, no joke. worse than deeznuts. i wanted to say this a couple months ago but seriously you need to quit ilx if this is what it's come to. go back and live in your moms house and leave the rest of us alone.

-- J0rdan S., Wednesday, 4 June 2008 04:04 (15 hours ago) Bookmark Link

Discuss.

I used to be scaaaared of the deej

-- Alex in Baltimore, Monday, April 7, 2008 10:02 AM (1 month ago) Bookmark Link

I used to be scaaaared of the deej

-- Alex in Baltimore, Monday, April 7, 2008 10:02 AM (1 month ago) Bookmark Link

I used to be scaaaared of the deej

-- Alex in Baltimore, Monday, April 7, 2008 10:02 AM (1 month ago) Bookmark Link

where did that come from, Dom?

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51Sysvdsj9L._SS500_.jpg

Nice find. Don't do it again.

he just cant believe somebody got called out for insecure meta bullshit and for once it wasnt him

deej,

how does it feel to be the sun of the ilx universe for these past few weeks?

-jordan

-- J0rdan S., Monday, April 7, 2008 1:25 AM (1 month ago) Bookmark Link

sunned

lololol

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3234/2286248695_c03324104c_o.jpg

should be a poll imo

major lolz @ dom's cherry picking work

deej, shut the fuck up. me and everyone else has had enough of this insecure meta bullshit from you lately. youre the worst poster on ilm and on 77, no joke. worse than deeznuts. i wanted to say this a couple months ago but seriously you need to quit ilx if this is what it's come to. go back and live in your moms house and leave the rest of us alone.

-- J0rdan S., Wednesday, 4 June 2008 04:04 (15 hours ago) Bookmark Link

^^^classic material

big hoos getting punkd from here on down

rolling ringtone thread 2008

did you post the chat on there i was haaaaaaaaaaaad

haha ya i did

there's nothing for me here except a jerkoff peanut gallery and grudging half-acknowledgement from the two or three people who can still tolerate me. i'll stop posting now. you'll miss nothing.

― J0rdan S., Wednesday, June 4, 2008 3:43 AM (5 months ago) Bookmark

aww one of the images i posted is missing ;_;

dudez, you are both cool guys and valuable posters and need to take one step back and chill and stop acting like chaki and dom

― The Reverend, Wednesday, June 4, 2008 1:27 AM (5 months ago) Bookmark

this one still works tho XD
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/g122/danzigworshipper/tight_jeans.gif

not feeling her tattoo ;)

haha deej, I was in on the joke

in any event:

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/g122/danzigworshipper/tight_jeans.gifhttp://i133.photobucket.com/albums/g122/danzigworshipper/tight_jeans.gifhttp://i133.photobucket.com/albums/g122/danzigworshipper/tight_jeans.gif

deej,

is there a kool keith album better than sex style?

love,
ij

ive never heard sex style to be honest - i just bought the received wisdom that ultramagnetic mcs are the shit (verified) and dr octagon is great ('girl let me touch you' was my jam) and nothing else was worth the time

this ain't ask hoos but fwiw I think Diesel Truckers is at least as good as sex style if not better

No question, just lol @ you being Facebook friends with Rick Perlstein.

haha

saw frost nixon last nite -- not as good as 'nixonland'

i have the liner notes thing, where should i send it, i dont have yr email

check thru my website boo

or like facebook, or ilx message

this guy needs a holiday imo

so many classic posts here

grillz scott heron? really??

― and what, Saturday, July 21, 2007 2:57 PM (3 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

wtf who reads blogs

― deej, Saturday, July 21, 2007 5:09 PM (3 years ago) Bookmark

saw frost nixon last nite -- not as good as 'nixonland'

frost/nixon sucked imo btw.

grillz scott heron? really??

― and what, Saturday, July 21, 2007 2:57 PM (3 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

proto-display names

I used to be scaaaared of the deej

― Alex in Baltimore, Monday, April 7, 2008 2:02 PM (2 years ago) Bookmark

lol i can't remember why we decided to punk the hoos -- i know ethan was behind it tho

that was a lot of fun

i was so sad my internet homies were fighting

understandably ;_;

deej, shut the fuck up. me and everyone else has had enough of this insecure meta bullshit from you lately. youre the worst poster on ilm and on 77, no joke. worse than deeznuts. i wanted to say this a couple months ago but seriously you need to quit ilx if this is what it's come to. go back and live in your moms house and leave the rest of us alone.

-- J0rdan S., Wednesday, 4 June 2008 04:04 (15 hours ago) Bookmark Link

all time

ethan wrote that btw

it's the "worse than deeznuts" clarification that sells it imo

http://imgur.com/F37BU.jpg

this guy needs a holiday imo

― http://tinypic.com/r/s0wvar/7 (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 14 October 2010 01:47 (1 month ago) Bookmark

this guy otm

maybe also a lady friend to enjoy a night with.

i have a lady friend. i do need a vacation.

that said i was 100% otm in the kanye thread & dayo is being obtuse

otming yourself is really nagl

accusing me of being paranoid is nagl but ppl let that slide

you accused arguably the most famous poster of the board of "stalking" you while referencing his day job

seems like the kanye thread got pretty fun!

'while referencing his day job'?? separate posts / points in the discussion. & i accused him of disgreeing w/ me just to disagree & used the provocative 'stalking' bcuz its the internet, its not like i was accusing him in a court of law u dork

im not filing a g-d restraining order. it was more that it felt like mild ilx bullying

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/19/Trembling_Before_G-d.jpg/210px-Trembling_Before_G-d.jpg

like, ive hung out w/ dude irl, we got drinks. i dont think he is literally stalking me. i do think he was trying to pick arguments w/ me whenever he got a chance, regardless of the content of the argument in question. 'stalking' was a way of being dramatic abt it

not to speak ill of the self-banned but i think dude just has a tendency to troll people/threads when bored, and is probably one of the most well meaning/least malicious people on here with that habit, so it was just funny to call him out like that

wait, who has a tendency to troll now?

this guy needs a holiday imo

― http://tinypic.com/r/s0wvar/7 (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, October 13, 2010 7:47 PM (1 month ago)

^^

~~~sigh~~~

thats not a question, gtfo my thread

not really deej's fault that whiney had to get out all the aggro he had to miss when the kanye thread was in full swing?

that's a question, cause i used a question mark

dear deej,

do you think you could use a holiday? it's pretty cold here and i'm sure it's really cold where you live.

dear deej,

when are you and whiney just going to do it and get it over with?

love,

the internet

of course i need a vacation. tbh im more pissed abt the senate than whiney weingarten but him being all foxnewsesque in that thread was just aggravating things

should really get around to heeding that 'don't argue w/ fools' maxim

Have you ever tried typing in an angry response and then deleting it rather than posting it?

(often works wonders for me)

In fact, I believe there is a whole thread for posting them if you really need to scratch that itch.

you accused arguably the most famous poster of the board of "stalking" you while referencing his day job

― Prince SBanBan (some dude), Tuesday, November 30, 2010 9:32 AM Bookmark

Pretty sure he doesn't care if anyone knows he works in UCI library.

Momus doesnt work at the UCI libary :?

deej:

i. iyo what kinda music is 'coolest' with 'the young ppl' in your 'social network'?
ii. do you have any .mp3s of said music u cld send me?
iii. is it true your lyfe is the basis for the latest iphone G4 ad?

haaaaa

they like a bunch of diff stuff
no
is it true lamp is a troll w/ terrible taste

who's more important (however you define that):

Run-DMC

or

N.W.A.?

the whiney zing in that thread was hilarious, dunno why deej had to take it so seriously

deej,

why are you so mad? try to understand

the whiney zing in that thread was hilarious, dunno why deej had to take it so seriously

― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Thursday, December 9, 2010 6:36 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

how so

it was just a funny 'my world of young people' zing!!

NWA vs. Run DMC is crazy -- i think obv NWA had a larger impact, or impact over a larger time (assuming we include solo careers here), but i do think that a lot of the credit given to NWA for breaking street rap the way they did is really more about an abstract hardcore vibe that run dmc had too .... id rather listen to NWA but Run DMC are underrated bcuz their stuff dated more quickly & they didnt have the productive solo careers (jam master jay aside!) that NWA did

it was just a funny 'my world of young people' zing!!

― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Thursday, December 9, 2010 6:41 PM (50 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

why is that funny? because whiney has no irl friends?

it's funny because you get massively defensive about it for no reason instead of just taking it in stride as something you said one time that we all can laugh about

like, it would be 'funny' if there was some 'truth' to the idea that me bringing that up was about anything more than observing whiney's tireless refusal to observe that there are people who exist outside of the internet

nah i think im ceding rhetorical ground in that case -- whiney genuinely believes that this was about me trying to be down or say i have black friends or whatever weird shit he was projecting on me observing that, hey, in the real world, this is non-controversially a popular song

jeeeeeeeesus

my take:

N.W.A. felt more like the straw that broke the camel's back in terms of street talk coming into the mainstream of hip hop, like it made it a phenomenon...but they far from the first...obv, they did it in a more compelling and visceral (and well produced/polished way thanks to dre)...

Run-DMC to me is still THE event of hip hop because yah they did have a street vibe, the way they dressed, the more angry yelling tone, the stripped down beats...everything before them seemed old fashioned after them...

it's almost a beatles/50s rock n' roll thing...like the beatles were more sophisticated musically and probably have more influence on stuff that is happening today...but the 50s rock n' roll guys created the environment that made the beatles even possible....they really changed the world more than the beatles did IMO.

iirc it first came up when i observed a positive consensus towards 'fuck you' by cee lo.

al disagreed & he or someone linked to the singles jukebox as evidence

i said that, like, in my anecdotal experiences, it was kind of universally liked, (more than even say the kanye record is now), implying that this was an ilx / critnerd bubble that suggested the song was getting mixed reviews.

cant believe we're still arguing about THAT clusterfukk

my take:

N.W.A. felt more like the straw that broke the camel's back in terms of street talk coming into the mainstream of hip hop, like it made it a phenomenon...but they far from the first...obv, they did it in a more compelling and visceral (and well produced/polished way thanks to dre)...

Run-DMC to me is still THE event of hip hop because yah they did have a street vibe, the way they dressed, the more angry yelling tone, the stripped down beats...everything before them seemed old fashioned after them...

it's almost a beatles/50s rock n' roll thing...like the beatles were more sophisticated musically and probably have more influence on stuff that is happening today...but the 50s rock n' roll guys created the environment that made the beatles even possible....they really changed the world more than the beatles did IMO.

― 311 did 4/20 (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, December 9, 2010 6:46 PM (6 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i think this is a solid argument. one of the things that i think about a lot though (cue GZA thread clusterfuck), is how stuff sounds in today's context. You can still drop Eazy E in clubs & people go nuts for it ... his voice really feels relevant today. Other than throwback nights, though, I cant see people dropping too many run dmc songs. (did love hearing rock box in GTA)

For awhile when i spun i was using the peter piper instrumental -- that shit still sounds bonkers

i said that, like, in my anecdotal experiences, it was kind of universally liked, (more than even say the kanye record is now), implying that this was an ilx / critnerd bubble that suggested the song was getting mixed reviews.

this is def tru btw

but dude ppl are clowning u because 1) it was a legit funny phrase and 2) you get so mad about it. imagine if sarge got this pissed every time someone dropped a 'svelte' or something

cant believe we're still arguing about THAT clusterfukk

― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Thursday, December 9, 2010 6:46 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

yeah it's almost as if anytime someone brings it up as a joke another poster starts furiously posting all earnestly trying to defend himself in an argument that hasn't even happened

i got annoyed because ppl started thinking that you for real couldnt bring up anecdotal experiences, or that it somehow undercut your argument to do so!! i dont give a shit, i still get crap for rocking chair in the trillville thread, or sage francis's nuts, or whatever else, but i dont make a big deal about it. this is like, it seems like dudes think theres an actual issue w/ the content of what i was arguing, that there was some fallacy in incorporating real world experiences.

if this is not the case then ill leave it alone

i mean hasnt whiney genuinely tried to argue that i was making some kind of cred argument? thats just flat-out incorrect

I have no idea what you guys are talking about and now I wanna know

did deej say some of his best friends are black or something

i think the thing is why do you care what whiney thinks, really? (xxp)

haha i probably do have terrible taste (although much better than most ilm posters)

alright can't speak for whiney but if i use a "my world of young ppl" on you it's def good-natured ribbing

shakey this is actually where it started

er ILM Top 100 2005-2009: TRACKS

hahah that is a hilarious post

lol wtf "my world of young people" is an amazing phrase you should be proud imho

ahh ok i misremembered the context

same deal there though

imagine if whiney wrote paragraph long posts defending the honor of subway every time someone zinged him about it

i would love more displays of gallantry towards sandwiches on this board

imagine if whiney wrote paragraph long posts defending the honor of subway every time someone zinged him about it

― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Thursday, December 9, 2010 6:57 PM (38 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

dude for the last time im not aggy cuz someone associates that phrase w/ me, im fine w/ it in context, its that yall are misrepresenting what my point was in the first place ('yall' might just be 'whiney')

can't believe someone would strawman somebody else on ilx

like, im defending my use of it in the context of that argument -- i havent even made that big a deal of it when al uses it, aside from when you got defensive about bringing up an anecdote because you thought it would sound too 'in my world of young ppl' -- & i was just like ,dude, theres nothing wrong with that!

dude for the last time im not aggy cuz someone associates that phrase w/ me, im fine w/ it in context, its that yall are misrepresenting what my point was in the first place ('yall' might just be 'whiney')

― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Thursday, December 9, 2010 6:59 PM (49 seconds ago) Bookmark

to be fair i haven't read any of your response posts itt, but also who cares if you're point is being slightly misrepresented!

~~~~sighs~~~~

look, when whiney made a smash off thread about katy perry & zoey deschanell & he accidentally worded the thread so it made it seem like he wanted to drown them in a river (pause for lols) & people started zinging him for it all across the board he wasn't all "you guys are misrepresenting my point!!!" -- this is just stupid

thats not at all the same thing dude

only in the sense that for some reason you think it's high crime for your ilx intellectual property to be misrepresented in order to mildly zing you from time to time

whiney accidently writing that he wanted to drown girls is lol. i didnt 'accidently' write anything. hes just randomly misconstruing a point to smear what i was saying

j0rdan, because its central to the issue we were discussing! its dishonest

http://idolator.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/eadickman_12.gif

dont 'get' that ref

there's no ref to get iirc

well, dishonest, or stupid

he's "checking" his "watch" since the "performance" has been going on "for quite some time with no end in sight"

oh its animating really slowly for me for some reason. assumed it was just a still

cant believe somebody would misrepresent somebody else on ilx for lols

treasonous

how was it lol though? the 'humor' is only there if you think i was bringing up friends for 'cred'

i still dont see whats funny about being like, hey, there were a lot of ppl i knew irl who liked this album

maybe u are worried that explaining the humor will 'ruin it' but i think instead it will help u realize that whiney's 'zing' was 'garbage' & he's 'not ever funny'

a lot of young ppl

^notice the rhetorical retreat

yes. now, where is that funny. did i make a joke about drowning young people? did i mention not including cheese on my amy winehouse record to save calories?

hey deej, I've been meaning to ask, how did you get access to this world of young ppl, and how did you come into exclusive possession of it

ok dickhead

never realized there was this world of young ppl out there, man, you learn something new every day

the 'humor' is only there if you think i was bringing up friends for 'cred'

― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Thursday, December 9, 2010 7:17 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

the humor is in the phrase "my world of young people" -- that is a hilarious phrase -- it has nothing to do w/ the actual point

dude ... im not embarrassed about using that phrase? i knew it was lol when i was using it? this isnt about the use of that phrase at all, its about whiney misrepresenting it in a non-lol way

maybe u are worried that explaining the humor will 'ruin it' but i think instead it will help u realize that whiney's 'zing' was 'garbage' & he's 'not ever funny'

― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Thursday, December 9, 2010 7:19 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark

i've added you to the list of ppl on ilx that post as a fake carles

dude ... im not embarrassed about using that phrase? i knew it was lol when i was using it? this isnt about the use of that phrase at all, its about whiney misrepresenting it in a non-lol way

― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Thursday, December 9, 2010 7:24 PM (14 seconds ago) Bookmark

maybe for you it is -- but for literally everyon else, it's about the continual lols of the phrase "my world of young ppl"

& if you intended for it to be lol, congrats, you started a meme! shouldn't you be basking in its glow?

thats ... not what whiney was lolling about

does anybody know how to get into this world of young ppl, and if so, is there a subways there, or do I have to bring my own sandwich

hey deej, I've been meaning to ask, how did you get access to this world of young ppl, and how did you come into exclusive possession of it

check out this short documentary abt ilx poster deej's life: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cm8-nW9uW4Y

dude, hes already explained himself -- he for real thinks this is funny bcuz i 'slipped up' & said some shit about thinking i was more down or whatever. this is part of a long line of whiney posts attempting to argue some bullshit like this, cf when he tried to crack on me in the ws thread by saying i only like black girls or whatever crazy ass shit he was posting about

you guys are doing a good job missing the point -- what yr joking about now isnt what i was pissed about

however you dice it, the point is that you get hilariously defensive about it when you should just let it slide & zing back

man, cant believe deej got pissed off because we lol'd at his 'my world of young ppl' phrase

rmde

whatever, my entire point here is that whiney is an idiot, go about your business

i think everyone else on the board's point is that when whiney makes a zing about you being 'down with ppl' you should just go about your business instead of firing off 250 words across three consecutive posts like your integrity has been seriously challenged

EVERYONE IN THIS THREAD STOP. ALL OF YOU.

deej you have convinced my of the idiocy of this whiney fellow. sleep well tonight.

deej needs tough love

^^^it took me until 7:33 pm but i finally accomplished something today xp

xp j0rdan needs a clue

whiney made a smash off thread about katy perry & zoey deschanell & he accidentally worded the thread so it made it seem like he wanted to drown them in a river (pause for lols) & people started zinging him for it all across the board

omg, somebody please link to this immediately

are you on 77?

yup

http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/ThreadSelectedControllerServlet?boardid=77&threadid=67985

lmao i didnt know what this was about at first, but that "in my world of young ppl" stuff is killing me

ilx is great at making memes out of really dumb shit, huh

deej you have convinced my of the idiocy of this whiney fellow. sleep well tonight.

― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Thursday, December 9, 2010 8:33 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

loool. this thread got fun while i was away.

ilx is great at making memes out of really dumb shit, huh

NEW BOARD DESCRIPTION.

btw i object to whiney getting all the credit for taunting deej about his world of young ppl, i was totally first to do that

if IRL kids are making two different arguments how is deej going to know what opinion to have?

― maher shalal hash tagz (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, December 9, 2010 2:10 PM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

thats not taunting 'in my world of young people' thats making a shitty inaccurate argument duh

like, he didnt say anything about 'in my world of young ppl' u guys are being idiots

speaking of "the world of young people" who remembers "the world of objects," was that a jaymc-laurel beef thing? hilarious nb shit from me early days on ilx iirc

zings are not about accurate arguments, dumbass

and you're right, it's not really a 'young ppl' reference so much as a reference to the 800 posts where you dug your heels in to bravely defend a Kanye album you don't even really like for all the poor people out there not on ilx who love it

wow, didnt know some dude could sound any more smug

do you practice this shit, or are you naturally a total asshole with obscenely high levels of self-regard

:( guys

deej you just gotta surrender, there's no way you can win this game

i mean god forbid i ask a reviewer to, you know, avoid dishonest argumentative tactics even if i agree with his overall opinions

its not team sports al, we're not at war, theres no reason to be 'youre either with us or against us!!' about a fucking kanye album
& i gave u props for your review too! why are you being such a dense dick about this?

deej, your whole ilx persona at this point is the guy who wants to have his cake and eat it too. you can't inadvertently funny and then say "oh i was saying it for lols all along," just like you can't be a dick to people and then be all sensitive about people stalking and picking on you, just like you can't mount an argument with barely anyone agreeing with you and then pat yourself on the back and say "i have been otm".

just like you can't mount an argument with barely anyone agreeing with you and then pat yourself on the back and say "i have been otm".

― Local Hardman (some dude), Thursday, December 9, 2010 9:46 PM (35 seconds ago) Bookmark

??? what does this even mean. "You cant argue with people if they mostly disagree"??

you can't inadvertently funny and then say "oh i was saying it for lols all along,"

^^^i never got defensive about 'in my world of young ppl' !! this is bullshit

the only time i made a deal about 'in my world of young ppl' was when j0rdan implied it was a bad argument tactic, not when he made fun of the phrase itself

it's the "i have been otm" part that's a faux pas, not having an unpopular opinion

i will 100% own up to the fact that i have totally been trolling you lately and it's because a) you're way overdue for an SB and pushing you toward it would be a big favor to you and everyone else, b) trying to be nice never works with you and leads back to more arguments and c) the more humorless you are about it the funnier it is

imo a 'faux pas' is being a constant condescending dick but thats never held you back

how many people on this board can you have epic arguments with and come away from every single one of them going "that guys' a jerk" and never once think "hey maybe it's me"? i get into it with people and try my best to laugh it off or drop it or apologize if i think i went over the line. you never seem to learn anything from the experience.

pretty much just you whiney & j0hn

http://i.imgur.com/zBsKX.gif

trolling deej is at least as irritating as deej for anyone who's keeping score

TamTam OTM

j0rdan's your blog bro and he seems continually disgusted and/or exasperated by your behavior on the board, he just knows better than to bother really arguing about it

trolling deej is at least as irritating as deej for anyone who's keeping score

― call all destroyer, Friday, 10 December 2010 03:54 (38 seconds ago)

my 'behavior' ??

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dammit TT too fast!

that would be a valid point if you guys hadn't clicked on the thread about deej as if you were expecting discussion about anything else (xpost)

what posts of mine are so objectionable on their own, where am i, apropos of nothing, dragging on the board or being a dick generally

i don't know, i must've had a bad dream

as opposed to responding to trolling or simply making an argument on a subject under discussion -- i mean, ok ill cop to saying 'i have been otm in this thread' bcuz i was also summing up an argument, ironically quoting LJ & trying to clarify my point -- sorry if that seemed rude. but it hardly seems to rank on ilx crimes

that would be a valid point if you guys hadn't clicked on the thread about deej as if you were expecting discussion about anything else (xpost)

― Local Hardman (some dude), Friday, 10 December 2010 03:57 (18 seconds ago)

was funny earlier but u gotta give it a rest

yeah fair enough

yeah youve made your non-point!

that would be a valid point if you guys hadn't clicked on the thread about deej as if you were expecting discussion about anything else (xpost)

so would it be a valid point if i had clicked a thread about kanye or the wu-tang clan or year-end lists or a million fucking other threads? gotcha.

just fyi deej I followed you into this thread

well yeah cad, if you'd said that in one of those threads all i would've said is "yeah, you're probably right," it's just kind of a funny thing to say here

just as an example, dayo freaked out at me on the kanye thread simply for arguing -- not w/ ad homs, not 'otm'-ing myself, not trolling anyone. just disagreeing & simply straightforwardly making my points. i can C+P the entire convo if you need it!

my main issue w/ deej's posting is a lack of recognition that mostly everyone is tired of threads turning into deej vs whiney black holes & if whiney (or anyone) zings you you don't need to take it so seriously & start a thread derailing argument about it like you did today

http://i51.tinypic.com/ddch2r.jpg

jeeeeeeeesus

― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Thursday, December 9, 2010 7:45 PM

get off the notorious deeeeeeeejis

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecutory_delusions

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ea-ezolZq5k

i want to point out tho that i didn't have a problem w/ deej's postings on the kanye thread pre-whiney or the yelawolf thread

but today & in the wu tang thread i think you just need to be able to let things slide

speaking of having your cake & eating it too, i love how some dude will post in a thread, talk shit, troll, etc., then fake like hes the adult in the room "yeah im just gonna lay off now" like you didnt just show back up in this thread & lob grenades about how you were trying to get me SB'd

deej what is yr favorite foreigner song?

how many times a week do you post on ilx?

do you think you should post more or less?

how much of this time is spent dealing w/ yr stalkers?

do you think you should spend more time dealing w/ yr stalkers or less?

what is yr favorite foreigner album?

what do you do for a living?

are you good at it?

what was the last live sporting event you attended?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yP4qdefD2To

jeeeeeeeesus

― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Thursday, December 9, 2010 7:45 PM

get off the notorious deeeeeeeejis

― am0n, Thursday, December 9, 2010 10:03 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

deejus, get off the whiney weingarten penis (J0rdan S.)

clearly i haven't been paying attention cuz i thought deej vs whiney (and others) was a contrived argument between two ultimately friendly bros who agree to do narc of sd for the supposed benefit for a captive audience of ilxors, but actually irl (or irilxl) it's about seething rage and deep resentment between two ultimately implacable enemies

Hi Deej, in various places I've seen you make allusions to some great late 90s freestyle or post freestyle or whatevs I don't really know how this stuff breaks down. Can you do like a top five suggestions for me plz.

me against the world (of young ppl)

speaking of having your cake & eating it too, i love how some dude will post in a thread, talk shit, troll, etc., then fake like hes the adult in the room "yeah im just gonna lay off now" like you didnt just show back up in this thread & lob grenades about how you were trying to get me SB'd

― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Thursday, December 9, 2010 11:05 PM (53 seconds ago) Bookmark

it's not a profound statement of maturity to say that i can get my fill of message board arguing and then give it a rest. you always seem most outraged when other people don't have the time or energy for epic 8-hour debates.

deejus, get off the whiney weingarten penis (J0rdan S.)

lol A+

Hi Deej, in various places I've seen you make allusions to some great late 90s freestyle or post freestyle or whatevs I don't really know how this stuff breaks down. Can you do like a top five suggestions for me plz.

― Tim F, Thursday, December 9, 2010 10:07 PM (2 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i appreciate the attempt lol but im not sure what you're talking about actually. you sure i said freestyle?

clearly i haven't been paying attention cuz i thought deej vs whiney (and others) was a contrived argument between two ultimately friendly bros who agree to do narc of sd for the supposed benefit for a captive audience of ilxors, but actually irl (or irilxl) it's about seething rage and deep resentment between two ultimately implacable enemies]

its only a real beef in the world of young ppl

irypilxl

it's not a profound statement of maturity to say that i can get my fill of message board arguing and then give it a rest. you always seem most outraged when other people don't have the time or energy for epic 8-hour debates.

― Local Hardman (some dude), Thursday, December 9, 2010 10:07 PM (49 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

its not like you disappear after these posts or something

http://www2.fiu.edu/~dm/pictures/children_around_the_world.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/9KMBP.jpg

sometimes i do! i remember one time recently i went to put the baby to bed, didn't get back online til like mid-afternoon the next day, and in one thread where you'd asked me a question you'd come back once or twice like "i'm still waiting for an answer...your silence is an admission of defeat!!!"

Maybe kind of floridian R&B?

http://www.famousmonstersoffilmland.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Picture-41.png

ilm considers deej

maybe you should take care of the baby now? xxp

if you're asking me to not post in this thread anymore as long as i'm not addressed, i'm cool with that.

http://www.stomptokyo.com/img-m1/logans-run2.jpg

dear deej-

how is it that you've been on ILX for like eight years or some shit and still haven't learned how to let shit roll off your shoulders? its really uncanny. each time you do this you just make yourself a bigger target for more of it in the future.

-gr8080

ps- i didnt read the kanye thread, but the new album is terrible, agreed?

Maybe kind of floridian R&B?

― Tim F, Thursday, December 9, 2010 10:11 PM (42 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

ohhh this was probably the stuff off the so so def bass all stars comps. those are probably my only real connection w/ a lot of that stuff ... 'my boo' knockoffs & similar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNAyOsXMHsw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KsXXxVgHJM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qRvh46iyj0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BN2QTSr77Fk

ps- i didnt read the kanye thread, but the new album is terrible, agreed?

― a dude who enjoys the parapet and the extension of one's neck above it (gr8080), Thursday, December 9, 2010 10:13 PM (47 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yes

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20101207103416AAKk9V7

lol at curtis armstrong on that youtube

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51P8N7A5MML._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA300_SH20_OU01_.jpg

yo thx for those youtubes!

can't check them at work but will look when I get home, thanks deej.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycPFLmxM-BI

the ricky bell song is A+ incredible music

deej, it was honestly not an "argument tactic" or anything, it was just supposed to be a cuet lil zing about how you often use the opinion of "IRL young ppl" to bolster your arguments. I seriously view this as a zing on the level of drowny zooey or subway and did not expect you to get all hurt like i was insulting yr character.

You were all youtube.com/bravehearts about my Q, so I never was 100% if you were actually making fun of my writing in your return volley. But as someone who does actually consider us "two ultimately friendly bros who agree to do narc of sd for the supposed benefit for a captive audience of ilxors," i would consider that a low fucking blow at the level of making fun of M0untain G0ats and am giving you the benefit of the doubt in thinking such shenanigans are beneath you

"about how you often use the opinion of "IRL young ppl" to bolster your arguments"

smh

what does "narc of sd" mean?

i have no idea, actually

this thread is more like a spark of sb tho

hey deej, a lil unsolicited advice:

accept whiney's apology, apologize back, then go tell yourself that you're still right but repress the urge to post in defense of that argument any further.

what does "narc of sd" mean?

narcissism of small differences, presumably

haha! i like the idea of the person who points out narcissism of small differences being the "narc of sd"

:)

however that term applies only to the protagonists

someone who calls attention to them is the narc of smdh

sorry for bringing negative vibes. i will try to kip in the future

:)

naw actually fuck you deej you should fly to nyc and bite whiney's head off

none of this making peace shit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roYQepD1MQw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXZCda4ZOKA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhAFQ0swLuc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxh3jtJ9wAU

^^^^lil jon shows up @ :30

FYI

it was funnier when i was snapping on whiney for saying diplo knew about baltimore club, but yall still deleted that entire series of posts because hes butthurt

I wasn't butthurt, I was banned during that whole exchange, so i didn't even care

hes had a series of posts (see what i just posted on 'ws 10 for an example) where he was trying to get on me for some bullshit -- it wasnt about 'lol deej said "world of young people"' and never was about that ... it was whiney on some insecure racial b.s. that ive called him on a number of times

Yeah, I remember I said something like that WS, and you defended yourself very quickly and articulately and I basically never came back to it because I think my argument was stupid. So if i haven't said sorry about that officially, then I'm legitimately sorry.

As for the contentious zing just posted, you are as paranoid as fuck if you think it meant anything other than "in my world of young ppl" lols. So cool your jets, dogg.

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http://www.ratewall.com/cpics/fa4a553f-bdcb-4d4e-b3f4-16cd48eafc4e_children_corn_isaac.jpg

yeah whiney thats not actually true, a bunch of times youve talked about how you thought i was calling on some 'authentic' ppl or trying to bolster my pt on some 'i have black friends' ish -- play it off like it was a zing now or that im being PARANOID im just basing this off shit you actually said. now gtfo my thread

and said in, like, ideologically-based arguments, not zing-fests or w/e

http://bluebuddies.com/gallery/Color_Smurfs_Pictures/jpg/Smurfs_Color_Pictures_Stop_Sign_Smurf.jpg

deej, for the record.

yes, you are right i did say that ONCE (in my recollection) re: your young ppl comments (not "a bunch of times"). You set me straight, I realized it was a stupid argument, and admit it's wrong. AND i just apologized for it!

You honestly just have to take my word that the contentious "young ppl" zing was made with the best intentions. Seriously.

http://www.sonofthesouth.net/uncle-sam/images/stop-whining.jpg

Whiney, the takeaway from this is that you should stop trying to be Lisa Lampanelli

http://www.pauld.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/thatsracist.gif

no more posts itt that arent about music

or how awesome i am

are you gonna start referring to it as "mine own thread" now, deej?

http://smollin.com/michael/tmonstr/mon006.jpg

http://www.bobpitch.com/anon/Spankie_No%20Homers.jpg

or how awesome i am
--lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej)

I know I don't say it enough, but i think you're pretty awesome

narc of sb

yo that virgo song "slick partna" is like my favorite song ever right now - tell me more about this shit plz

speaking of "the world of young people" who remembers "the world of objects," was that a jaymc-laurel beef thing? hilarious nb shit from me early days on ilx iirc

hahaha

i had never seen that beef but it is pretty hilarious

can i just say wtf to the 2010 parts of this thread. from an outsider POV
wow

since u are generally anti-yeezy, anti-lucious and anti-ofwgkta are there any indie-approved rock-crit-rap sensations in 2010 that you will actually stump for?

There aren't any other indie-approved rock-crit-rap sensations in 2010.

they didnt publish our lists huh. i guess curren$y might qualify as a 'rock crit rap sensation' right?

Lol was about to post "curren$y's first album but that doesn't really answer whiney's question".

they didnt publish our lists huh.

you're surprised?

since u are generally anti-yeezy, anti-lucious and anti-ofwgkta are there any indie-approved rock-crit-rap sensations in 2010 that you will actually stump for?

― larry longballs money (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, December 17, 2010 11:18 AM (51 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

There aren't any other indie-approved rock-crit-rap sensations in 2010.

― Matt DC, Friday, December 17, 2010 11:53 AM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

there are tons! Lil B, Freddie Gibbs, Das Racist, Yelawolf...

what other indie places are stumpin for yela besides Spin?

quietus for one

i am curious, yela

he got grandfathered in from the big boi album

i wonder if deej stumps for rap that doesn't have a populist base already, seems to me that's part of the concern with ofwgkta, yela, gibbs and so on

thats not really the problem for me

deej used to hate on waka, ftr

i hated on waka when he was just 'o lets do it' -- i came around circa his turn on 'as real as it gets' off burrrprint, not exactly a late adopter here

he was in the oj camp

what are some examples of u stumping for rap that has no populist base? roc marciano maybe?

marciano is a good example. celph title, although i dont love that album i love buckwild's production on it

davinci

davinci had local buzz i thought

honestly have no concept of how 'populist' roach gigz is or isnt

davinci had local buzz i thought

― zvookster, Friday, December 17, 2010 11:29 AM (12 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i dunno. he knows san quinn or w/e but i dunno that hes got a huge populist base. rap 'heads' ive talked to online knew him but def not in the populist sense more an 'in the know' thing

im really not sure how we're defining 'populist' at this point tho -- does odd future not have local buzz?

isnt 'populist' more about aesthetics?

oh god

im not starting beef im just genuinely unsure what zvooster means when he says im repping for populist rappers -- i think theres a correlation & populism totally has ~some~ connection to my approach to rap but the terms need to be more well defined

yeh i see how it can be but i wasn't thinking in terms of aesthetics really, like u seemed concerned that ofwgkta was being plucked from obscurity by "the only tastemaker", it's not like they were hood superstars. or that gibbs was being listened to only by p4k readers at the expense of ppl like idk wiz & currensy who were selling out shows or some better example. just a bee in my bonnet i had that doesn't seem to be founded on much.

is there a thread called "unask deej" because I would post this in there

lol pitchfork didn't discover odd future come on son

like maybe u see yourself reporting to the p4k crowd on what's happening rather than being a tastemaker which is somehow dangerous or inauthentic?

hush whiney the grown ups are talking

better example than wiz + c would be mob figaz -> jacka, husalah, obv

my issues with odd future vs. freddie gibbs are importantly different

i like / have no problem w/ odd future (or lil b) & like some songs by both. they're just not v. close to my particular aesthetic wheelhouse.

i think it totally *makes sense* that pfork cover them & that they be acclaimed. its just not something im personally drawn towards. the only thing i would resist is these artists -- who are, it must be said, marginal, outsider-type performers -- start being treated as if they are central to what rap is about in 2010, or are seen as true 'visionaries' of rap etc. instead of outsiders w/ a weird/unique perspective. over rappers who imo are doing the most interesting/important stylistic work as rappers right now -- husalah jacka gucci currensy whoever else (& fyi wiz is an example of a rapper i like at pretty much just a popist level -- love a few of his songs but i dont think hes nearly on the level of the rappers i mentioned)

roach gigz isnt on the level of those guys either but i feel like hes moving in that direction on his best stuff

freddie gibbs is an entirely difft issue -- he makes wayyy less sense to me as a critical darling. it comes down to crit insecurity about not being down w/ gangster rap x fetishism of skills x the fact that his first record was really well constructed x narratives about major label fuckups

i mean what i liked about the first gibbs album was that it felt like an anonymous major lable gangster record from '99 or something ... but gibbs remains anonymous to me & as a character what is there to say about him?

so it is after all down to aesthetics. the only problem there is that there's no onus on a critic to act as if an artist is marginal and outsider if the artist feels central to him.

well idk if there is or not the thread is "ask deej"

well i think all critics should also be working as historians to some degree ... like, there are certain kinds of aesthetic progress critics value heavily & some they ignore. do u think the first dude to play drums in a disco style is given the reverence he deserves for so massively shifting musical history?

imo saying lil b is a bigger deal that gucci in terms of his impact on the art form is like saying sun ra is a bigger deal that duke ellington. just being radical doesnt make u inherently more significant (this is the problem w/ the 'progress' narrative in gen)

"imo saying lil b is a bigger deal that gucci in terms of his impact on the art form is like saying sun ra is a bigger deal that duke ellington"

So wait you can't think Sun Ra is a bigger deal than Duke Ellington? I'm glad someone asked deej about this!

comparing someone as amazing and accomplished as a musician as Sun Ra and with a career that has literally dozens of amazing albums in a bunch of varied styles and settings to Lil' B is pretty ill IMO

i mean maybe if Sun Ra's career consisted releasing 200 youtube videos of random scatting while plunking away at three chords on an organ, then yes

itt deej ranks jazz greats 4u

In the future everyone's career will consist of "200 youtube videos of random scatting"! THANK YOU CLOUD!

eh you guys are trying a little hard with the deej clowning here, he obviously wasn't saying that lil b = sun ra

i do think duke ellington is more significant to the development of jazz than sun ra, yes

lol gucci is duke ellington lol

lol deej thinks lil b is the same as sun ra

ha m@tt im more w/ you on lil b than i am against! & btw i love sun ra -- this is about keeping ~perspective~ which is something rap critics voting for odd future / lil b arent really doing imo

i should say 'rock critics whose only rap votes are for ....'

~perspectivism~

So wait you can't think Sun Ra is a bigger deal than Duke Ellington? I'm glad someone asked deej about this!

― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Friday, December 17, 2010 12:46 PM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

you can prefer to listen to one but if yr gonna try to tell me sun ra is secretly a more significant jazz artist im gonna call bullshit

i was mostly just kidding deej but i do think that analogy sorta underestimates Sun Ra IMO...mostly because i think in the long term lil' b has actually ZERO impact on the art form, and i think sun ra had a real significant impact

overall tho yes ellington was probably more impactful

i dont think lil b will have zero impact tho i do agree ... but yeah i dont think gucci's importance to rap is as large as duke's to jazz either ... this was more about the artists importance relative to each other than comparing them in terms of their impact on respective art forms

I think arguing about significance is basically bullshit and I think that anyone can make any argument they want and Sun Ra's "contributions to jazz as an art form" (seriously lol at this, hilarious stuff) are probably great enough that I could see someone making a reasonably credible argument on his behalf.

so you think arguing about significance is bullshit, but that someone could do it

duke's impact on jazz & american music is massive. like i said i love sun ra but arguing hes even on the same level sounds like record nerd collector space suit-fetishizing bullshit to me

imo

to zvooster -- i do think i have a pretty strong antipathy to critics trying to think they can tell rap fans what they 'should' be listening to. that following rap is as much about covering the history of music as it is about expressing subjective opinions & that writers have a historical responsibility to 'get it right,' that u cant ignore how the audience for music is interacting w/ it. also, i do like the 2nd half of the krit album a lot. (or any of the traxx that have him in more reflective mode) (country shit is still balls to me tho)

I dunno Ra's influence has filtered down to a lot of unexpected places that Duke has not. Duke is largely forgotten/immaterial to the vast majority of music being made today. Sun Ra, on the other hand, is referenced/cited/serves as inspiration for a pretty broad range of active musicians.

(this is all immaterial of course I just like thinking about Sun Ra)

u cant ignore how the audience for music is interacting w/ it.

who decides what the audience is tho? cuz you seem to be making some distinctions as to who is and is not a legitimate rap fan

sun ra & charles mingus -- the two artists who many rock / non jazz artists seem to cite that im assuming you're referring to -- were both huge ellington disciples

sun ra's early stuff was extremely ellingtonesque. compositionally

of course. everyone in jazz was an Ellington disciple to some degree or another! He was massive, no doubt about it. But he was confined to his genre in a way that Sun Ra was not, and in that sense Sun Ra's impact could be argued to be broader. Because jazz is pretty much dead now, and what is still left of it owes just as much to Ra (if not more) than Ellington, if only by virtue of the fact that no one runs big swing bands anymore - it's all small combos.

xp

who decides what the audience is tho? cuz you seem to be making some distinctions as to who is and is not a legitimate rap fan

― twat dust and ego overload (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, December 17, 2010 1:34 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

im not -- i take issue w critics ignoring huge audiences for rap & writing off large swaths of the music as being generic or rote or boring compared to the fascinating work of odd future & lil b. i dont think gucci fans are 'more legitimate' -- i do think theyre more numerous & that his musical contributions are underheralded

I don't even know how you estimate audience size in this day and age tbh

i dont think that sun ra's impact is 'broader' beyond a niche of artsy folks who enjoy the outsider-ness / weirdness / spectacle of his stuff. of course he was a great artist w/ lots of great songs ... but his impact on the structural nature of the genre is much smaller. what exactly has his influence been? what are ppl taking from him? does it really compare to ellington's 20s-30s innovations in terms of songwriting, textural use of instruments, innovations in voicings & ability to write songs around the instrumentalists themselves rather than generic parts for any performer?

i mean there is hardly a single jazz artist in the 20th century who would claim to NOT be influenced by ellington ... this is candle-in-the-sun type shit

hey deej you ever been back to thusday nights at NEO?

yah i went there on a saturday recently too & it wasnt that diff from thurs! more people, though

love that place tbh

i mean there is hardly a single jazz artist in the 20th century who would claim to NOT be influenced by ellington ... this is candle-in-the-sun type shit

if you had read what I wrote, you would realize that I'm not arguing this. Ra's influence extends BEYOND jazz (a genre that is currently microscopic in terms of its practitioners and audience)

u guys should have seen deej on the dancefloor at this place srsly

if you had read what I wrote, you would realize that I'm not arguing this. Ra's influence extends BEYOND jazz (a genre that is currently microscopic in terms of its practitioners and audience)

― twat dust and ego overload (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, December 17, 2010 2:14 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

its really not. there are jazz education programs in high schools basically across the country.

Currently being cut back like there's no tomorrow. (Which under the circumstances...)

i dont think the world is really teeming w/ geeked-out indie musicians who really dug sun ra's cosmic approach, maaan either.

a brief list of artists that take sonic inspiration from/sample/reference/or otherwise are indebted to Sun Ra:

Parliament-Funkadelic
the MC5
Wooden Shjips
MF Doom
Spiritualized
Outkast
a bazillion noiserock acts
Yo La Tengo

and I'm sure this list is much longer, this is just off the top of my head. Ra's influence over the last 30 years of music eclipses Ellington's easily. Now if you want to talk STRICTLY JAZZ, Ellington is the bigger giant no question, if for no other reason that he started working 2 decades earlier than Ra did, and by the time Ra was peaking, the genre was already in a state of diversification and decline.

xp

if only the entire genre of jazz were as popular as spiritualized or noize rock!

Unkle
X-Clan

are we talking popularity? I thought we were talking about impact on music as a whole

Primal Scream

shakey stop. i mean it's bad enough that we're zeroing in this much on examples picked out of the air for the purposes of an analogy, but jeez let it go.

Currently being cut back like there's no tomorrow. (Which under the circumstances...)

― Ned Raggett, Friday, December 17, 2010 3:16 PM

won't someone think of the young ppl

hey I was more than happy to let it go and noted it isn't really germane to the larger hip-hop question, but hey this is ILM...

this argument is besides the point anyway -- lil b hasnt had any impact on music-outside-rap yet & if he does he'll STILL be a marginal rap artist relative to gucci. similarly duke ellington is more important to jazz. i dont really care how many indie artists (p-funk is basically the only group u listed to even be popular in any conceivable way, and it basically comes down to what ... all the space-themed shit? couldnt that as easily have been influenced by star trek? i dont hear the musical influence at all) are influenced by sun ra. this is an attempt to turn jazz into music that exists only to benefit the narrative telling me that the MC5 are more important than any of the countless artists influenced by ellington in the last 30 years then fuck that

i really dont hear a musical influence from sun ra on any of the artists shakey listed anyway!

man your reading comprehension is terrible for someone who is paid to write

deej do you like skyzoo?

ok well if you mean 'andre from outkast dresses up funny & sun ra did too' then im gonna argue that this is a correlation =/= causation issue

once again tho your entire argument is a red herring -- unless you think indie's narrative is more important than jazz's, theres no reason that sun ra being more popular w/ the MC5 & noize bands = hes had a larger impact on music at large. this is basically white privilege shifted to music (w/ token black artists who used space- & comic book themes shoehorned in to suggest otherwise) -- 'jazz' is a genre in a shoebox, while 'everything else' is a narrow band of marginal rock artists & andre 3000 wearing fuzzy boots

similarly, lil b is 'important' to ppl outside of rap ergo he's given a more privileged spot in mainsstream crit canons -- rap is treated as a single stream, so being a weird outsider who isnt working w/in rap's framework makes you that much more valuable to mainstream critics who dont care how rap's own narratives develop. then a narrow strain of pfork readers & ilx posters & bloggers can pretend lil b is a big deal, which makes him so. gucci is more important to the development of rap, but lil b is a weirdo!! next thing you know, 100 years from now shakey mo jr. the III is arguing that lil b is a more important artist than gucci was, bcause rap is dead now but the long-running narrative of white ppl biting black forms is still going

deej do you like skyzoo?

― in my world of Hmong ppl (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, December 17, 2010 2:36 PM (24 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

occasional traxx, the one you posted in the pox swag cru thread is dope. overall, eh

arguing that lil b is a more important artist than gucci was, bcause rap is dead now but the long-running narrative of white ppl biting black forms is still going

I can't even parse this man sorry.

this was just a thread derail because you made a shitty analogy (Gucci = Ellington, lil B = Sun Ra), you got called on it, now yr throwing around all kinds of nonsense that isn't even worth responding to

'jazz' is a genre in a shoebox, while 'everything else' is a narrow band of marginal rock artists & andre 3000 wearing fuzzy boots

I mean what? this is just straight misrepresentation/strawmanning bullshit.

deej,

sorry to keep bugging about anonymous nyc rappers, but is red cafe worth taking the time to check out?

I'm glad you don't see any value in Sun Ra's conceptual motifs tho, even tho they were basically the whole point of his career and had the most lasting impact on people. good for you.

i didnt make a shitty analogy it makes perfect sense dude

m@tt, not really, he has occasionally cool songs but most of what ive heard is just so so

did you ever listen to max b? if you can track it down i rlly like the 'gain greene' best of mix

I'm glad you don't see any value in Sun Ra's conceptual motifs tho, even tho they were basically the whole point of his career and had the most lasting impact on people. good for you.

― twat dust and ego overload (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, December 17, 2010 2:42 PM (55 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i dont think outkast listened to sun ra

well you are wrong

i think you're crediting 'sun ra' with 'huge sci fi pop culture detritus that everyone was exposed to'

did you ever listen to max b? if you can track it down i rlly like the 'gain greene' best of mix

yeah i dig what you've posted on the goon thread, real kinda sleazy charm i think, reminds me of a better version of what jim jones does...more sing-songy and drunk sounding...been meaning to check him out for while cuz you keep telling me to, i am gonna do that now!

"i didnt make a shitty analogy it makes perfect sense dude"

No it doesn't make any sense at all, you basically acknowledged it was flawed way up above.

oh look here's the Source namedropping Ra in reference to Outakst in 1998 re: Aquemini

http://www.thesource.com/articles/2538

xp

i think you're crediting 'sun ra' with 'huge sci fi pop culture detritus that everyone was exposed to'

what fucking ever. pre-Sun Ra there were no black people in outer space. He is ground zero for afro-futurism and stop pretending like that has no conceptual weight because the influence of that idea has gone far and wide.

Sun Ra is like the #1 artist that gets namedropped by people who it's never clear if they've ever listened to more than a small amount of his music or had it influence their music in any substantial way

deej, your thoughts on William Howard Taft?

let me know when li'l B comes up with something as massively deep and influential tho.

xp

oh wait that's not even Outkast namedropping him, that's just a generic critic pullquote about how they "conjure" his "spirit"! ooooh impressive stuff!

Sun Ra is like the #1 artist that gets namedropped by people who it's never clear if they've ever listened to more than a small amount of his music or had it influence their music in any substantial way

I AM NOT TALKING EXCLUSIVELY ABOUT HIS MUSIC GET ONE CLUE MR. HIP HOP IS ALL ABOUT PERSONAS

jesus christ

I need to back away and go get some lunch

"Sun Ra is like the #1 artist that gets namedropped by people who it's never clear if they've ever listened to more than a small amount of his music or had it influence their music in any substantial way"

Uh Erik Satie anyone?

arguing that lil b is a more important artist than gucci was, bcause rap is dead now but the long-running narrative of white ppl biting black forms is still going

I can't even parse this man sorry.

this was just a thread derail because you made a shitty analogy (Gucci = Ellington, lil B = Sun Ra), you got called on it, now yr throwing around all kinds of nonsense that isn't even worth responding to

― twat dust and ego overload (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, December 17, 2010 2:40 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

what im saying is that ellington's impact on jazz as a whole is a bigger deal than sun ra's space suits supposedly influencing a bunch of rock groups and any artist that includes comic book or sci if themes. just bcuz jazz is a much diminished art form for contemporary artists doesnt mean its a less significant / more marginal art form in the grand scheme.

(than that constellation of groups you mentioned)

seriously the way rap & jazz are treated as feeder-inspiration for the 'real art' of rock & token approved outsiders like mf doom is ... ugh

"who cares if ellington was the most important jazz composer in history -- yo la tengo really liked sun ra!"

I AM NOT TALKING EXCLUSIVELY ABOUT HIS MUSIC GET ONE CLUE MR. HIP HOP IS ALL ABOUT PERSONAS

jesus christ

I need to back away and go get some lunch

― twat dust and ego overload (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, December 17, 2010 2:50 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

im sorry that duke ellington's 'persona' wasnt wacky enough for you to bother understanding why his music might be worthwhile

The thing is, there is no need to downplay the significance of Sun Ra to make the point that Duke Ellington was more influential/important.

Like, everything Shakey is saying is basically true; the real issue is that Sun Ra did not wholesale invert/mold an entire genre in the same manner Duke Ellington did.

Sun Ra generated a niche and influenced a wide range of artists; Duke Ellington basically converted all of jazz music and the people who played it to his vision.

xp Isn't gonna stop deej from doing it anyway...

xp yeah but none of those artists were popular and only white critics care about that shit so hey let's all stop caring.

i think sun ra has had an influence! but it seems self-evident to me that ellington's towers over it in terms of 20th century music in the long view. this was why i made the comparison -- if id realized ppl here honestly believe sun ra is a bigger deal, i wouldnt have made the comparison for gucci vs. lil b!

i think 'marginal' outsider artists are important, have their place, should be celebrated. but they often are used, imo, to denigrate the importance of art forms like jazz or hip hop that have their own narratives & values that dont fit into the same ones that allowed, for example, my dad to think pfunk were cool but disco was trash, or that made sun ra a countercultural hero but sees duke as some old jazz guy. it doesnt acknowledge what these artists do that is so different because it doesnt recognize the values that jazz & hip hop frameworks are based around

xp Isn't gonna stop deej from doing it anyway...

― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Friday, December 17, 2010 3:01 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

xp yeah but none of those artists were popular and only white critics care about that shit so hey let's all stop caring.

― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Friday, December 17, 2010 3:02 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

you realize dan just contradicted you

ive been listening to sun ra since i was in high school & ive heard tons of his stuff ... im a legit huge fan & wrote my jr. year thesis on his music & influence! this argument could not be more lol right now

deej do you realize that you make little to no sense?

no

Thanks. That was my only question.

1. ellington is more influential than sun ra
2. ellington's influence on jazz is a bigger deal than sun ra's influence on the handful of artists shakey described
3. although ra obviously had influence on lots of artists, i think shakey overstates ra's influence on some of those artists

is the picture clear for you yet?

So concise. Why don't you post like that all the time?

Shakey isn't overstating anything IMO; he's understating Ellington's influence.

More actually I would say he's privileging a certain type of influence over another. Which is fine, I'd argue that deej is basically doing the same thing.