CAN....S and D?

Search: The first six albums (Monster Movie, Soundtracks, Tago Mago (!), Ege Bamyasi, Future Days, Soon Over Babaluma).

Destroy: Pretty much everything else, although Landed has its moments.

'Monster Movie' is still my fave, tho' - and personally I LOVE the lyrics to 'Yoo Doo Right' (so does Bobby Gillespie - he pretty much lifted them wholesale for 'Movin' On Up'....)

Destroy: the mostly v. poor remix alb.

Can is awesome. I wouldn't put them in the same "must hear" category as somebody like Kraftwerk, though. All the albums I have (thru Future Days) have both dull moments and great tracks. I kind of wish they'd been an instrumental band.

It starts getting good from Soundtracks on. Future Days is simply awesome.

The whole disco period is ok, if you're a big Can fan, but I wouldn't start there (although I love Holger Czukay's "Movies" album).

What I've heard of Ege Bamyasi and Tago Mago sounded appealing, especially the former.

anyway, my favorite is still probably future days although everything they did has moments.

Destroy: _Out of Reach_, which the band hated so much it's never been reissued, and with good reason.

Tons of Can threads so might as well revive this one for this link -- Irwin Schmidt on food, music and democracy:

http://thequietus.com/articles/00813-irmin-schmidt-of-can-on-food-and-cooking-plus-a-recipe-tip

I know it's not meant to be any good, but the completist in me needs to buy a copy of 'Out Of Reach' - are any of the CD versions better or worse than others in terms of sound quality? I've read that, since it's been disowned and not officially reissued, the CD versions often come from poorly done vinyl transfers.
Any tips for which of the grey-area CD versions to try and locate?

Thanks

If there's a Can forum or similar where such a question might also have been answered by knowledgeable geeks then please point me that way too.

I dont know about sound quality, but there are several different versions floating around - at least in Europe. The one released by Audelic contains Out Of Reach and the self titled album and is pretty cheap, there should be also a more recent version from Cleopatra (!) that according our supplier's database should be easily available.

Thanks Marco. I didn't think to check for standardly available copies, assuming that the grey-area aspect would write them off, but I think I see the copy you mention, thought the UK distributor for Cleopatra isn't entirely clear and we definitely don't deal with whoever Synergie are ourselves. I'll try to see if maybe Cargo, F-Minor or PHD have it on their books.

I think that all these versions are basically non-legit.
I saw the Cleopatra version is available through Bertus, a big Dutch supplier: I'm pretty sure all good UK distributors work with them.

Cheers, that will probably help to know. If I can get it through the shop that's a bonus as I have a lot of left over holiday pay to write off.

add to search: the peel sessions - "Up the Bakerloo Line w/Annie" sounds like an acid trip. in a good way

I found it on a mp3 blog a few nights ago, Haven't listend to it yet.... not actually sure I want to. nothing worse than a bad album by a favourite band.

Oh, I know it's not meant to be good. I want it purely for completeness reasons.

Is it 'bad'?

Or just 'bad by their standards'?

It is truly and definitely BAD: the eponymous album has more than a couple of good moments, but Out Of Reach is pretty indefensible.
That said, I'm the proud owner of a copy exactly for the same reasons of Krakow. :)
The BBC album, instead, is marvellous and a fascinating glimpse into the band's compositional methods.

The best things on it are the Rosko Gee songs

Anyone else think "Inner Space" is under-rated? I'm not sure it's up there with the canonical records, but it's close IMO.

first time I've heard the recorded version of this track

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxFYCE6VIt4&feature=related

delay is ok... "the thief" is a banger

Is Cannibalism worth bothering with? The remix of Yoo Doo Right sounds like warmed-over trip hop to me...

you mean Sacriliege? the Cannabalism albums are just compilations

Cannibalism 2 has a few of my fave Can moments (the crazy/fun Mother Upduff is supposedly a true story; Turtles Have Short Legs one of damo's best vocals; Shikiku Maru Ten also excellent wierdness)
the first Cannibalism is less essential if you already have the early Can records but there's a few different mixes iirc.
and yeah, Sacrilege had a couple pieces i liked but i only recall the Sonic youth one right now....

cannibalism ii's just such a great listen - it's edited together so well, the first clutch of songs p much sync up & match jaki's drums up iirc.

I never tried Cannibalism 1 since I have all the albums, plus I hate how "Yoo Doo Right" is the only full length piece there. Cannibalism 2 seems good but if you have Radio Waves and Unlimited Edition then it's kinda superfluous. Cannibalism 3 is a collection of solo material and it's actually pretty entertaining (though disappointing if you're expecting a lot of great instrumental stuff). As for the remix collection, I really thought it was a big wasted opportunity, you'll probably wind up liking 1-2 of the remixes and find the others a waste of time

Ah yes, sorry, I do mean Sacrilege. It's the 3p mix of Yoo Doo Right that didn't sound too great to me, some of the other remixers might do a better job though.

tbh that Yoo Doo Right mix was really the only thing on there I liked, so yeah. the other remixers don't do a great job either

I liked Bruce Gilbert's mix for being barking mad, the rest, as someone said, is "not my tea"

I need to check out Cannibalism 2

the eponymous album has more than a couple of good moments

lol rev introduced me in the outloud room to the awesomeness that is "Aspectacle"

I like the edits on Cannibalism 1 when I'm in the mood for a peak-period Can mixtape. Sometimes I only need 8 minutes of Halleluwah!

yeah I'm not on board with all those who say it got "ruined" with an edit. it's not like it's "Close to the Edge" or "Supper's Ready" or anything! still, no idea why "Yoo Doo Right" survives intact

I got so used to the shorter "Mother Sky", the proper one seemed un-naturally elongated in places (i.e. bits obviously repeated)

yeh i knew Cannibalism first, the longer versions seemed weird when i finally heard them. and the longer versions are already edits of much longer jams!

that said, "halleluwah" definitely kicks it in its 18 minute version
"augmn" could be shorter though

has there been any discussion about the supposed box set anywhere?

this sounds pretty rad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=u4CtYbTT2-Y

from Can: The Lost Tapes

ha, it sounds like the music for "Italian Spiderman" - guessing that's a super-early cut?

super excited about this release. let's hope the next step is a decent sounding live recording!!

yeah it def has an earlier feel.
don't have to wait for a decent sounding live recording -- check this one: http://ow.ly/9XyYa

i'll have to grab that when i get home. i love the idea of live Can but that Live Box and the new Tago Mago bonus tracks just have so much tape hiss; could probably compress them to 64 kbps and not hear a difference

thanks tyler will grab that, there were some great boots on mutant sounds a year or two ago too

yeahhh, i think i got some of those - Future Days Past Nights? The 1973 show might not blow your mind in terms of sound quality (it's pretty good), but the performance is otherworldly.

thaaaaaaaaank yoooooooooooou

the one boot called Free Concert has Doko Daie Concert (excerpt) on it which is pretty great

yeah Free Concert is amazing.
here's another good one, not live, but a long tago mago outtake http://ow.ly/9XDnE

DAMN that is sweet!

Lol the first comment says "This reminds me of Radiohead"

I'm 100% fan-style flipping over this news. With the bands approach to recording and editing-for-release, I've always assumed there were reels and reels of material languishing--and had no expectation we'd ever hear any of it. So a 3CD boxed set--oh man, I may soon be literally counting down the days.

^^^ otm

this made me so happy

Thanks for all these bootleg recommendations, I'm really loving Free Concert and the Past Days

check out Great Britain 1977 too if you haven't heard it yet, the sound quality is p great

"Millionspiel" is really fantastic, can't stop listening to it. Will it all be this good?
looks like the mutant sounds links are all good to go: http://mutant-sounds.blogspot.com/2007/12/its-raining-can-bootlegs.html

For NY people:

The Music of Can: An Evening of Unreleased Music and Discussion with Irmin Schmidt + Jono Podmore

http://lepoissonrouge.com/events/view/3250

Is there an "Oh Yeah" on any available bootleg? I've only ever heard snippets in a documentary clip.

Long version of Doko E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ5QueexZBA

Errr I kinda regret posting that one ... was excited at the prospect of a long unreleased tune

that Ogam Ogat release is pretty great. it really sucks that most of the live/archive material wasn't really well recorded, since a lot of it tears. can't wait to dig into some more

holy wow at millionenspiel

CD 1
Millionenspiel
Waiting For The Streetcar
Evening All Day
Deadly Doris
Graublau
When Darkness Comes
Blind Mirror Surf
Oscura Primavera
Bubble Rap

CD2
Your Friendly Neighbourhood Whore
True Story
The Agreement
Midnight Sky
Desert
Spoon - Live
Dead Pigeon Suite
Abra Cada Braxas
A Swan Is Born
The Loop

CD3
Godzilla Fragment
On The Way To Mother Sky
Midnight Men
Networks Of Foam
Messer, Scissors, Fork and Light
Barnacles
E.F.S. 108
Private Nocturnal
Alice
Mushroom - Live
One More Saturday Night – Live

what's that?

can the lost tapes tracklisting i presume?

WAAAANT

wheeeeeeeeeen

i'm enjoying just looking at those titles tbh

GIVE ME IT

SEXY SEXY SEXY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=HstvFGqu138

OMG this is exactly the kind of thing I hoped would be on this.
JAMMING+MALCOLM!

aaa deadly deadly deadly deadly deadly doris

hahaha i knew just from the title that 'Deadly Doris' had to be a Malcolm.

yeahhhh judging from these samples ... album of all the years!

deadly deadly deadly

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Die_Tödliche_Doris

i just put the release date on my calendar

What is that date? I wanna do the same

Deadly Doris from the forthcoming Can album 'The Lost Tapes' released on Mute on 18 June (Europe) /June 19 (US)

PRE - ORDER NOW: http://bit.ly/can-thelosttapes

kinda pricey though!

June 19 is forever from now! Grr.

yeah a little bit pricey. i assume there'll be places selling it for cheaper tho. amazon only has an "import" available for pre-order -- and that costs $75!

I'll be paying to download, I think. Assuming that option will be available to the US.

thats a lot of unreleased material

I will probably pay full price for the 3 cd set. I can't say no to Can. I bought all those remasters, made me fall in love with them all over again.

Did they ever release the box set of reissues? I was tempted, but decided to not pay attention to spare my wallet

hoping and praying that "Alice" is the soundtrack of 'Alice in the Cities' - been looking for that one for ages

because ilx does not have enough Can threads

i want more and more and more and more and more

xpost this thread has been running for ten years, what's the problem?

yaycan!

anyone who complains about too many can threads ain't a can fan!

http://testing.humboldtwholesale.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Can-Fan.jpg

> because ilx does not have enough Can threads

I've long believed the large number of Can threads partly due to the similar-threads filter being ineffective for a band named "Can"

serious question: was early can VU- descended, or was it indepedent parallel evolution?

(cuz generally ppl weren't VU influenced much prior to 72-3, and it impresses the fuck outta me if can got there first, this side of the atlantic)

― mark s, Monday, September 3, 2001 8:00 PM (10 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I've always assumed it was a real VU influence. I will tend to continue that assumption even were Can to claim otherwise.

Holger:

What were Can's main influences from the world of rock, as opposed to classical and avant-garde?

Everybody a little bit different. But mainly I would say the influence, for me, of the Beatles and Velvet Underground was most important. The Velvet Underground especially. They had something achieved which others didn't achieve. Even Jimi Hendrix didn't achieve that. One could have the opinion that this group is not able to play really properly right. They didn't get the right rhythm, they couldn't make a real tight rhythm. But the music was incredibly convincing. And this feeling made us encouraged, actually, to go on with rock music in general, instead of, let's say, making avant-garde academic music. Academic music was somehow finished by the audiences. Not by the musical idea itself. But we liked to do something without notation. We didn't want to read music off papers. We really tried to make instant compositions from the very beginning. This Can tradition actually achieved this very much when we played live.

NYCers— Malcolm Mooney is playing tonight at Santos

super psyched on this lost tapes set. anyone know how limited it is?

i was going to pre-order for $55 (w/ shipping...); but do i feel like saving 15 bucks and chance-ing it in a store?

Pre-order it at any half-decent record shop and you'll be absolutely fine.

$27 from Amazon7 from Amazon

oops

buncha can live footage, just put it on in the background and it sounds great

http://networkawesome.com/show/live-music-show-can-1970-1977/

Curated by Markus Fiedler
Total Runtime: 1:24:50
Live Music Show, 70s, cologne, czukay, experimental, germany, improv, jam, kraut, rock

Dead Lock (1970)
Mother Sky (1970)
Paperhouse (1972)
Spoon (1972)
Intermission: News Report from 1971
Bring Me Coffee Or Tea (1972)
Vitamin C (1972)
Sing Swan Song (1973)
I'm Too Leise (1974)
Vernal Equinox (1975)
I Want More (1976)
Don't Say No (1977)
Dizzy Dizzy (1977)

bump

yeah this is grrrrrreat

what's up with the juggler tho. was he in the band?

watching Irmin Schmidt play is so fun

A little Xmas ditty from Can.

http://youtu.be/iInAuoio-pQ

What, am I the only Can fan???

Malkmus does Can

Can - The Lost Tapes

I know about that one, but this wasn't Lost Tapes related. I guess that's the default Can thread now.

think they're just pointing out that other can threads have seen action lately

Has this been posted before? Really interesting seeing what Holger Czukay was doing in Can when he stopped playing bass - perhaps debatable whether it works or not:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZkex5jHvuI

On the Can DVD unless I am much mistaken...

Oh right, never seen that

Recently I was sitting at my desk at work grooving to the live version of Spoon and the dean saw me and asked what I was listening to. Logically I was thrilled anyone cared, so I told him and he was like "Cats?" and I said, "No, CAN." He asked me to email him a youtube, so I did.

A week later, he responded, "Interesting… not for casual listening, at least for me. Thanks, [name redacted]"

haha!!
It's totally for casual listening!!

This has been my krautrock year of discovery, and I'm excited that Can has clicked for me in a big way. Not everything, mind you - I really don't ever need to hear "Aumgn" again. I made my own compilation as I find the longer versions utterly thrilling. I tried to mix it up but found that chronological order worked best:

1. Father Cannot Yell (Monster Movie)
2. Yoo Doo Right (Monster Movie)
3. Thief (Delay 1968)
4. The Empress And The Ukraine Kind (Unlimited Edition) <--- the template for all early Fall songs!
5. Mother Sky (Soundtracks)
6. Paperhouse (Tago Mago)
7. Mushroom (Tago Mago)
8. Oh Yeah (Tago Mago)
9. Halleluwah (Tago Mago)
10. Pinch (Ege Bamyasi)
11. Vitamin C (Ege Bamyasi)
12. I'm So Green (Ege Bamyasi)
13. Spoon (Ege Bamyasi)
14. Turtles Have Short Legs (Radio Waves)
15. Future Days (Future Days)
16. Moonshake (Future Days)
17. Bel Air (Future Days)
18. Chain Reaction (Soon Over Babaluma)
19. I Want More (Flow Motion)

That fills 2 CDs, which is how my primitive thinking works. There's a handful of songs that just missed the cut: A Spectacle, Bring Me Coffee Or Tea, Dizzy Dizzy, Little Star Of Bethleham, Mother Upduff and Tango Whiskeyman. Anything I should consider adding?

have you heard the lost tapes? i think dead pigeon suite is essential, deadly doris is fun, and messer, scissors, fork and light is enough to raise anyone's heartbeat slightly. love all those songs and consider them essential can!

Mary Mary..

Uphill is my jam from Delay 1968

Waiting For The Streetcar (Lost Tapes again) is great in the same way, Mooney repeating himself until you lose track of everything while the band is locked in like a fine engine

I wish this was the year that I knew about Can just so I could experience listening to them for the first time again. That's a really good list you have in there Gerald, although you're ignoring too much off soundtracks (mother sky is the clear highlight but the rest is great too) I don't know what I'd remove from there but I would add the following songs:

Fall of Another Year (from Unlimited edition. it's mostly a hit or miss comp but it's Can so I recommend listening to the whole thing either way)
Little Star of Bethlehem
Don't Say No (Yeah, it's basically moonshake pt. 2 but I love that groove)
Quantum Physics
Dizzy Dizzy
Tango Whiskeyman
She Brings the Rain

Oh hey... there's a few more that I forgot. This is Can going disco-balearic so if you like Future Days you might appreciate these:

Sunday Jam
Geheim (Half Past One)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpABb18YNqs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GmmL2fPJSQ

Aspectacle from that self titled Can is really good too. I love hearing Jaki holding a disco beat.

Sorry for the multiple posts... I'm listening to it right now and 'All Gates are Open' also sounds amazing. I don't know if it's because I'm using my 'expensive' headphones but I hadn't noticed how good this whole album sounds until right now. So yeah, give it a listen... those three songs I mentioned are great. I see you have 'I want more' in your list so they might be right up your alley.

the post-babaluma albums are seriously under-rated. not as great as tago etc but plenty of good music on them.

from Unlimited edition. it's mostly a hit or miss comp

and weird in that half the tracks don't even sound much like can (the e.f.s. stuff) yet they had the lost tapes tracks in the vault.

Uphill is my jam from Delay 1968

HELL yes. One of my favorite Can jams, and sort kinda motorik sounding but so busy and punky and propulsive.

Mooney-era Can was so great

Did you ever hear his "Rip van Winkle" with Dave Tyack?

i went can crazy earlier this year, then took a little break, then went back when this thread was bumped and was reminded that yes, can is the best. the development of the drumbeat in messer, scissors, forks and light is something i could listen to over and over and always find new things to hear and enjoy. even when i'm sick of paying attention, it's a great dance song. plus, medley!

I really love all of the Mooney tracks on Unlimited Edition.

^ this, esp love Connection which never seems to get mentioned

Mooney Can is so velvets it hurts, I fucking love it but I'm also glad they veered in other directions soon.

"Butterfly" is my jam off Delay.

Mooney is fine but he's fine as a rock vocalist from the 70's. I love Damo because he sounds very unique, it's a timeless voice in alternative music. When I first heard Can I thought they were a modern band, it was the synths that revealed the album's real age away.

Who else sounds like Malcolm Mooney?

Biography by Rob Young on the way!

http://www.factmag.com/2014/03/30/can-to-get-two-volume-biography-featuring-contributions-from-geoff-barrow-james-murphy-and-more/

(not til 2016 though)

Wait...has this full video existed before? I know I've seen clips, but not sure that the full set has been available...looks/sounds great.

http://youtu.be/vy5q-61HSsM?t=5m

yeah, i think the full thing is newly emerged. looks better than the clips i've seen in the past! CAN!

and that is great news that Rob Young is doing the bio -- his Electric Eden is seriously one of the best books about music I've ever read.

Awesome! Thanks for that.

Some incredible dancing in this video. Shame "Mother Sky" sounds so terrible.

goddamn, liebezeit is definitely the best drummer ever.

he really is

love the moment around 34:20 where they cut to a girl rocking out ... while reading a book.
i think i need an oral history of this concert.

Oh my god, this is an amazing video. Live Oh Yeah!

love the moment around 34:20 where they cut to a girl rocking out ... while reading a book.

She was the same one blowing bubbles earlier, wasn't she? I love pretty much everyone in this crowd.

Looks like the guy who put this up is putting up a longer version here (video is currently "processing" according to a message at the link):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aJnsV8F2oY

goddamn, liebezeit is definitely the best drummer ever.

― tylerw, Tuesday, April 1, 2014 11:49 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

he really is

― sleeve, Tuesday, April 1, 2014 11:50 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

thirded.

FOURTHED

dancing to can is also the funnest thing in the universe

great stuff indeed. absolutely cantastic. this is what i call a groove. all those people in the audience will now be between 60 and 70. weird, somehow. it says the clip is from the rockpalast. as far as i know the rockpalast, a live music show on german tv, started around 1974, so that can't really be. soest is about the most provincial backwater imaginable, in 1970 innovative music was happening in these kind of places in germany, funny. the same was true for faust and wümme and cluster and forst.

crowd is all retirement age now

What is Jaki doing these days?

x-p apparently the show is from the wdr archives, so actually it has nothing to do with the live rockpalast except that it was "presented" by the rockplast programme later on: http://www.wdr.de/tv/rockpalast/sendungsbeitraege/2014/0331/index.jsp

what are the precursors of Jaki's drumming style? I feel like the crowd should be totally losing their shit over it more but maybe it's not as revolutionary as I think it was?

here's something kinda recent from jaki
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHEcPX9VNNw

I've always connected Jaki with Tony Allen, feel like there's a drum groove kinship there.

I've only seen one interview with him and he claims to be 100% self-taught -- I have no idea how he developed his style though. He didn't say much in the Can DVD either because Irmin Schmidt never stops talking. I would probably faint if I saw him play irl.

yeah, tony williams is a good comparison. liebezeit came out of a free jazz scene didn't he?
i think it was michael rother who said jaki was the one genius of the krautrock scene.

I feel like the crowd should be totally losing their shit over it more

watching this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZh4EmBbwd8
seems the full recording

what are the precursors of Jaki's drumming style? I feel like the crowd should be totally losing their shit over it more but maybe it's not as revolutionary as I think it was?

jaki's one of my favorite drummers as well. jaki was huge into jazz, so a contemporary of sorts might be jack dejohnette (listen to live miles from 1969/70 and you'll hear dejohnette busting out some similar moves). of course, jaki was doing his shit on delay 1968 so maybe he hadn't even heard dejohnette yet? james browns' drummers seems like a touchstone too.

If the question about the full Rockpalast Archives show being circulated before hasn't been answered before it looks like there is a series of old Rockpalast related shows being broadcast on German tv. THat's where the Kraftwerk set that recently appeared came from and from the same original series.
Not sure if this relates to the popularity of the Beat Club related material which has been appearing over the last few years as the Lost Broadcasts or not. & I'm assuming they're shows from rival tv stations.
But so great to see things appearing from then taht have lain dormant and unknown for 40+ years. THey are also broadcasting some US band stuff recorded for the same show. I've seen a Santana set mentioned. There's more on that at this link, http://www.wdr.de/tv/rockpalast/sendungsbeitraege/2013/from_the_archives/index.jsp

Liebezeit has done quite a few albums with Burnt Friedman (Secret Rhythms). And just two weeks ago this was released on which he plays on two tracks.

Shame "Mother Sky" sounds so terrible.

don't sleep on the Pluramon albums either, although they are from around 15 years ago

xp re: "current" Jaki projects

will do! i haven't heard any of that or the burnt friedman stuff. i saw that youtube posted but haven't heard the albums.

love this 12".

maybe Ginger Baker was in a similar ball park when it comes to Jaki comparators? A jazz drummer playing in a rock band (though "rock" is stretching it a bit for Can obviously)? Both fantastic drummers too, of course!

I really like secret rhythms

the girl's not just reading a book- it's a peanuts comic digest!

yeah I can see t williams/j dejohnette jazziness embedded in funk shell

Soundtracks had barely come out when this concert was filmed. I wonder how many of these kids had heard Damo before. Were there Mooney partisans in 1970?

yeah jaki's stuff with burnt friedman is great!!

As far as Jaki's other projects, Spielweise Zwei by B.I.L.L. works nicely for me. Released in 2010 on Klangbad. The teaser doesn't do it justice but it's a starting point:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2idKCpRKMU

that last song sounds pretty awesome, not sure about the first two

all those people in the audience will now be between 60 and 70. weird, somehow.

I feel like Can has suddenly become contemporary, a basic model for a combo, rather than the "progenitor" status they've occupied for forty years. Similar to what happened to Velvet Underground circa 1984, Mission of Burma circa 1994 or Gang of Four circa 2001.

Most of those 65 year old audience members would still be as blank-faced seeing the gig now, but their grandkids wouldn't.

all those people in the audience will now be between 60 and 70. weird, somehow.

Much younger than the band of course (well the three that are left). Jaki did indeed come out of free jazz, playing with Manfred Schoof, Alex von Schlippenbach (played alongside Guru Guru's Mani Neumeier on one of the Globe Unity Orchestra albums), Gerd Dudek et al. Good stuff too.

Can Halen, anyone?

https://soundcloud.com/user121743766/can-halen

Are you happy?

http://idler.co.uk/article/duncan-fallowell-questionnaire/

"CASCADE WALTZ" IS INCREDIBLE

couple of CAN related questions:

will someone please give me a usable (not comedy) descriptor for music inspired by can that is not "krautrock"?
this is sort of the opposite of precursors, but do you think there is a modern school of drummers who are influenced by jaki's drumming style?

i know kosmische and motorik but that is not what i am looking for
is there another word?

julian cope uses "free rock", i think

oh but that's for can and not so much stuff that was inspired by can

To me the salient traits of can are

Steady and strict on the bottom

Anything goes on the top

No egos allowed on either stratum

Idk a good descriptor for them that evokes that balance

i know, neither do i!
free rock isn't bad, will consider it

Free rock makes me think of something like first ash ra tempel album

I would call CAN's music purposeful and introspective. Totally useless as rock descriptors though. For me Liebezeit and Czukay were the nucleus of a beautiful atom, with a fuzz of orbitals reacting around it.

progressive psychedelic rock

avant-psych

Exponential rock

can't believe I never checked this out before, basically a lost Can album from 1969

https://www.discogs.com/Irmin-Schmidt-Inner-Space-Production-Kamasutra-Vollendung-Der-Liebe-Original-Soundtrack-Recording/release/2078377

oh wowwww

downloading now from some old blog

I realized I had heard the "Hiding My Nightingale" song on the famous "Motorway Mix" by Trish of Broadcast, but the rest of this is just pure primo Can doing instrumental jams

too much flute around for me personally. what's that other really early david johnson era recording they did? prehistoric future?

i love rock flute, bring it

i wanna hear it!
ysi?

I'm gonna rip it, gimme a couple of days :)

it's on youtube.

also over here: http://itslostitsfound.blogspot.de/2017/09/irmin-schmidt-kamasutra.html

^^^ where I DL’d

plenty more can rarity action there, too

i bought a SEALED original copy of this today at a local store. wowee zowee does it ever sound incredible. my speakers were weeping. so beautiful. so cool. hard to find and this is the most perfect copy ever. like new. anyway, i bring it up here because jaki plays drums on five tracks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2m1leO14eI

Holy shit! Never heard of him but man, that's a veteran trippers dream l.p.! Even on my tiny kindle speaker i can feel "it". I gotta get some shrooms and play this again. On the big speakers though. Nice one as usual, Scott!

Scott nice find! What did you pay?

http://www32.zippyshare.com/v/LuxWguW4/file.html

it wasn't nothing but less than half of what i would have had to pay online for just a regular old VG+ copy. such a nice thing to be the first person to play an album like that. just amazing production.

most copies for sale online are from germany and they want 80+. which means its not even that easy to find in germany.

Thank you Calstars!!

definitely something worth reissuing officially. there was a bootleg of it on LP and that's it.

is there an insert or any more text / print in the sleeve?

https://scontent.fbos1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/26904760_1919767431670233_908868091597421880_n.jpg?oh=b0710dea5bd06bdbf7c3a0aefcd3257e&oe=5ADFCCC1

ty Scott

<3 jaki-for-hire <3

this sounds good! pretty Floyd-y.

v nice, ty Scott!

Info about Czukay trove over on Rolling Reissues 2018, just got this press sheet:

CAN

ANNOUNCE NEW BOOK

ALL GATES OPEN: THE STORY OF CAN
BY ROB YOUNG & IRMIN SCHMIDT

AVAILABLE MAY 5 VIA FABER & FABER
Faber & Faber are proud to announce All Gates Open, the definitive story of the most influential and revered avant-garde band of the late twentieth century: Can. It consists of two books and previously unseen art and photos.

In book one, All Gates Open, Rob Young gives us the full biography of a band that emerged at the vanguard of the Krautrock scene in late sixties Cologne. Can’s studio and live performances burned an incendiary trail through the decade that followed, and left a legacy that is still reverberating today in hip hop, post-rock, ambient, and countless other genres. Rob Young’s account draws on unique interviews with all the founding members of Can, their vocalists, friends and music industry associates. And he revisits the music, which is still deliriously innovative and unclassifiable more than four decades on. All Gates Open is a portrait of a group who worked with visionary intensity and belief, outside the system and inside their own inner space.

Book two, Can Kiosk, has been assembled by Irmin Schmidt, founding member and guiding spirit of the band, as a “collage” – a technique long associated with Can’s approach to recording. There is an oral history of the band, collated by former Electronic Beats and Spex editor Max Dax, and Robert Defcon, drawing on interviews Irmin conducted with musicians who see Can as an influence. These musicians include the likes of Bobby Gillespie, Geoff Barrow, Mark E. Smith, Daniel Miller and many others, but also with artists and film-makers like Wim Wenders and John Malkovich, where Irmin reflects on more personal matters and his work with film. Extracts from Irmin’s notebooks and diaries from 2013–14 are also reproduced as a reflection on the creative process, and the memories, dreams and epiphanies it entails. Can Kiosk offers further perspectives on a band that has inspired several generations of musicians and film-makers.

Note: The limited edition of All Gates Open will be available to pre-order beginning Thursday, April 5 at www.faber.co.uk.

Can were unique and their legacy is articulated in this two-book volume with the depth, rigor, originality and intensity associated with the band itself.

Irmin Schmidt is a composer and founding member of Can, and has scored more than one hundred soundtracks, released a dozen solo albums and written an opera, Gormenghast, based on the novels of Mervyn Peake. In 2015, he was made a Chevalier de l’Ordre des Arts et des Lettres. He lives in southern France.

Rob Young’s books include the acclaimed Electric Eden: Unearthing Britain’s Visionary Music, and histories of record labels Rough Trade and Warp. A former editor of The Wire magazine, he has contributed to publications including Uncut, the Guardian, Sight & Sound, Frieze and Art Review. He lives in Oslo.

looking forward to this!

same -- i've only read Electric Eden but it ruled

Yeah this looks really good.

For review queries, check w Jared Dionne on Mute site or Dan Papps on Faber.

Not sure about the fictional digressions in Electric Eden so hope this is a straight biography.
Looking forward to reading it.
Would still really like a copy of the Pascal Bussy Can Book, hoped that was getting a reprint a few years back but it never appeared as far as I know.

I hope it's possible to buy the first book separately. No offence, Boaby.

i'm almost certain it's two "books" bound as one volume

also thanks to everybody in this thread for the great links etc. this past week

too much flute around for me personally. what's that other really early david johnson era recording they did? prehistoric future?

― Arnold Schoenberg Steals (rushomancy), Thursday, January 18, 2018 11:02 AM (one week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah and it rules. super blown-out and messy, sort of on that early amon düül vibe

http://fabersocial.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/sites/37/2018/01/CAN-Credit-Hildegard-Schmidt.jpg

<3

Yeah that Kamasutra thing was super great. Prehistoric Future was more like ‘inspiring and important to hear but might not listen again’.

an advance review copy of ALL GATES OPEN landed in my loving arms thanks to a partner who works at a place where books are reviewed
i'm about 60 pages in, enjoying immensely so far.

reading about the early days of the formation of the group is especially interesting. i also did not know that irmin schmidt was inspired by the stomp of early music for some of the early Can tracks. he said "a lot of this music had an unbelievable rhythm; the people sang hard, so that they yelled it out"
that's right!

Looking forward to that, official release is 3rd May & there's a talk tour tied in with the release around tehn so coming up fast. There's a date i Dublin I noticed earlier.

Would still love a copy of the old Can Book by Pascal Bussy

This book really delivers! Is anyone else reading it yet? There is a very detailed description of how Mother Sky was made that I personally have never read before and found illuminating.

Didn't know it was out tbh.

(xp) Let me guess, the end section is a tape loop? (Mother Sky that is, not the book).

Nothing about a tape loop so far -- Irmin shuttled back and forth from where the filmmakers were and decided on cues, structure, mood and then he went back to Inner Space/the castle and explained to the band what they should do. I loled when I read that the band wasn't interested in the details of the movie anyway. Jaki confirmed this process and said "we simply made the music and it always fit." I am enjoying this book so much.

you can read about the book here https://www.theguardian.com/books/2018/may/07/all-gates-open-story-of-can-rob-young-irmin-schmidt-review

my copy arrived a couple of weeks ago and has been sitting on my desk taunting me ever since

picked a bad time to have a baby tbh, i should have thought ahead

not to derail the thread but congrats on babby bg!

Am at Soon Over Babaluma so far. been interesting. Shame Damo didn't want to be interviewed especially if he did go and get interviewed by Mojo right around the time the book was released.

Enjoying it, would still really like to read the Pascal bussy book. Not sure why I never got around to getting it. Found out it came out in '89 through SAF so wondering if I at least got to look at it.

I've got the Pascal Bussy book, it's fairly skimpy.

Oh right. I've been building it up on my head since it was supposed to be being reissued about 10 years ago. Possibly because it was the book on Can.
I guess i have what I need now then.
Or would do if i get all the visual footage as well as the rest of the audio.

(babby’s not here quite yet btw, just been busy prepping! thx anyway nick :D)

It's a bit like the Wire book on SAF being comprehensively superseded by that other Wire published a couple of years ago.

other Wire book, that should read.

Yeah still need to read that too.
But wasn't the older Wire one getting slagged before the newer one appeared somewhat or am i thinking of a 3rd Wire book.

i am glad i waited to read this book! it's got everything i wanted to know about so far. the guardian review complains that it doesn't get far enough into the other "personalities" of the band members, but that hasn't bothered me so far. not only do some people prefer to keep their professional and personal lives separate, not everyone wants to know that stuff. i think it's fine the way it is. his complaints about Rob Young's florid descriptions are otm if you dislike florid description but apparently i like it!

congrats on your babby, the book will still be there when you're ready :)

i am enjoying Irmin's contributions specifically. even if he is biased because he is Irmin Schmidt, it's always good to get a firsthand recollection of process and intention. at least i am enjoying that.

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2018/may/31/i-grew-up-in-total-ruins-irmin-schmidt-of-can-on-lsd-mourning-and-musical-adventures

xps yeah i found the bussy book to be disappointingly lightweight.

Has some good quotes in it, mostly from Jaki.

More from Irmin:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0b3fkx3

quick update, is Oh Yeah the greatest song ever recorded why yes it is

Is that the one that's based on Bix Beiderbecke or is it "Mushroom"? Started reading this, I'm up to "Ege Bamyasi". A lot of it I already knew and I've read a lot of the quotes before but there's some great stuff, particularly on Malcolm Mooney, and what about Stockhausen's letter to the newspapers to try to prevent Damo being deported - nice one KH! One quibble is I find Rob Young's opinions on the music very predictable and canonical, there's a lot of 'the longer the song is the more important it is' going on so far.

I dug out "Unlimited Edition" a couple of days ago, and I have to say it's mostly alright. I recant my postings from Can - finally remastered onwards, but I will add that the 'the longer the song is the more important it is received wisdom does not apply to this one.

Oh Yeah is the greatest song ever recorded. It's the track that cracked this band for me, after much effort with Ege Bamyasi that wasn't clicking. I eventually realized I was primed to be struck by Oh Yeah because for a long while Nick Cave's Tupelo was the greatest song ever recorded, and it's sort of Oh Yeah with a whole lot of words on top.

I heard "Tupelo" ont' radio the other day, and Oh Yeah I agree.

Not hearing the resemblance but, goodness, I can't imagine listening to early Nick Cave anymore.

what about Stockhausen's letter to the newspapers to try to prevent Damo being deported - nice one KH!
Yes! My favorite line was "Society dearly needs birds like these>"

one more night
mom sky
oh yeah
future days
butterfly

imo

Oh Yeah is def the greatest song ever recorded, and it's surprising that I love it so much since I usually don't like things where like, half of it is backwards.

I often think of Karoli's guitar solo as he's de-tuning his guitar circa 2:30 of "Oh Yeah" before Damo switches to Japanese:

ひとりでそこに座ってる
頭のイカレた奴
虹の上から小便
我らがヒモと呼ぶ
LSDの街から
離れ餓鬼を怖れ
朝がまだこないのを
幸いなことに

"The crazy guy
Sitting alone over there
Pisses from atop rainbows
We call him our pimp
We leave the LSD town
And fearing hungry ghosts
We take it as a lucky thing
That morning still won’t come"

https://youtu.be/EhNFtoY4nNo

lmao who the hell I didn't even recognize what song that was at first

I've known a few people in music licensing in my time and they can be crate-digging types that are routinely beaten back by the brand's desire for Sigur Ros or Pomplamoose type shit, whoever got this through the gate, I take my hat off to you.

doesn't make up for years and years of "REAL PEOPLE NOT ACTORS" featuring beardo egg thrower but its a start

mmm, quite contrary that one...

I saw that one this weekend, bit strange to hear Donny & Marie mixed with Can, but there you go.

I've known a few people in music licensing in my time and they can be crate-digging types that are routinely beaten back by the brand's desire for Sigur Ros or Pomplamoose type shit, whoever got this through the gate, I take my hat off to you.

― MaresNest

new dn

They didn't specify the country or the kind of rock and roll tbf.

"I'm a little bit Krautrock, I'm a little bit NoizeMetallll"

Hahaha brilliant

CAN On The Whistle Test!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEoaIuDB5Nc

Apparently the synch goes wonky partway in before correcting about halfway into the ep.

Rosko Gee and Reebop playing with Jim Capaldi, I see.

And not with Can!

i've probably mentioned this before, but i'm pretty sad that the video of their 1974 ogwt performance where they played "untitled (for pink floyd)" has been wiped. there's pretty decent off-air audio, and for my money winter '74 was can's peak as a live band.

when i first saw that vernal equinox clip it blew my mind that they were faithfully playing what i had assumed was a track relying on some degree of studio wizardry.

add to search: the peel sessions - "Up the Bakerloo Line w/Annie" sounds like an acid trip. in a good way

Just noticed this cool exchange on YouTube which explains the title of this track:

Gus Cairns
2 years ago (edited)
I named this track. True. Peel held a competition to give this track a title, and I suggested "12 weeks on the Bakerloo line with Anne Nightingale" (based on a joke Peel had made). I received a copy of Ege Bamyasi in the post, and a handwritten letter from Peel, *which I lost*. It was officially the Day I Became Cool at School.

Annie Nightingale
2 years ago
this is one of my proudest moments...perhaps! Maybe the reference to me was a piss take, which I don't mind at all. Can you remember the joke John Peel made? I don't mind if its uncomplimentary, i met Can some tears later, which was great. Its a bit of history here, so would like to hear the real authentic story. thanks annie n

Gus Cairns
2 years ago
I'm honoured to attract a reply from a living national treasure! I think JP suggested a few titles of his own, one of which was something like "A trip on the Bakerloo with Annie Nightingale and then back again without her" and I just embroidered it a little.

Annie Nightingale
2 years ago
ah, so there was some customary wit from Peel over this, I am glad to know. You know he was sometimes referred to as a 'national institution', which he did not appreciate --'makes me sound like an old building covered in ivy''. was his comment..... thanks so much for your reply Gus.

So there you go!

itt: ground-breaking historiography

aw that's sweet
now i wanna hear from Deadly Doris!

awesome

also,the Peel Sessions totally rule, why they have never been reissued baffles me

Listened to them today, twice, Jaki is absolutely off the scale on the track we're discussing.

They recorded a very similar jam called Up The Bakerloo *for* Annie Nightingale (supposedly) broadcast originally on March 16th 1972, that Peel session being a year later. Is that right, and wouldn't that explain the name?

You saying this Gus Cairns guy is a liar? Actually the BBC site has the title of the track recorded for Peel in February 1973 as "Spare a Light". To confuse matters further, I've just seen a claim that the track "Up the Bakerloo" on the Peel Sessions CD is the one recorded in March 1972 not the track recorded in February 1973. So is it possible the track was indeed recorded on March 16th, 1972, for Top Gear, which, that particular night, happened to be hosted by Annie Nightingale - who was standing in for the regular host, John Peel? And was it perhaps untitled until the returning Peel suggested listeners write in to suggest a title? The only problem with that is Mr Cairns says he was sent a copy of "Ege Bamyasi" as a prize - and that wasn't released till November 1972. Send for Columbo.

Anyway, it seems the Peel Sessions CD was not approved by the band, so that's why it's never been reissued.

i reviewed it for the wire so i win

i would like to hear this peel session

Surely Irmin and the BBC can get together and work out a way to release all of the Can sessions - whether for Annie Nightingale or Peel - AND the In Concert sessions(!), I think there's two of those at least.

Liberate the Can sessions!

LL check yr email!

Thank you sleeve!! I finally have it! That super long first track is going to be my timer for getting ready for work :)

it's a damn shame video of their 1974 performance on the Old Grey Whistle Test no longer survives... i have a hold-the-tape-deck-up-to-the-tv audio tape of the track they played ("untitled (for pink floyd)") and it's very good indeed

lol that scared me -- thank god tthis one with Michael Karoli looking like Garth Brooks/Irmin in a metal vest is still there! I had to check to see if one of my favorite youtube was gone and phew it's not

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVHDKs-AgB0

the video is so high quality too, i love this one

here, this is the one i'm talking about

https://www.sendspace.com/file/qh3qo1

thx Kate!

oh my god that Vernal Equinox video. Jaki is just unreal, how do you play that way for 8 straight minutes? and what's with the camera holding on Irmin while Karoli is shredding?

can't unsee the Garth Brooks thing. oh well. I guess it's not the worst fate.

what are the high quality Can bootlegs? the officially released live set has pretty dodgy sound quality. Peel Session is obviously good and well-recorded. A lot of the other ones I've got just don't sound great.

There's an awesome live version of Spoon on the Lost Tapes that starts off with a lot of audience clapping and the most satisfied-sounding "yeah" ...ever?
It's at 1:09 -- ignore the video! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FV-w9Aachg4

I got a Jackson Browne vibe from Karoli, looks-wise. Even the shirt looks like something Browne would have worn back then.

(xp) They could at least have given Holger time to get dressed when they woke him up in the morning.

I just heard this brilliant peel session for the first time:

https://youtu.be/n1IcQ9ulUCA

Am I crazy or are there parts in the second song where it sounds like two different drummers playing along? Specifically 10:40 onwards. Did they used an extra percussionist around the time? There’s so much going on that I’m having a hard time separating the drums apart to identify if it’s actually possible to play with only two arms.

hmm, to my ears at that time stamp, a modular synth patch is introduced which at first sounds "clicky" (low-/zero-attack AREG), but then the low-pass filter is tweaked to sound more like swelling wind or surf.

the clicking sound does sound percussive (like tight beats on a high-hat) but you can hear that sound color from that channel start shifting soon after.

I've got that on CD but I've ever noticed that bit before, maybe there's something wrong with the audio. By the way, people outside the UK tend to make the mistake of assuming that Peel Sessions were necessarily recorded live, in fact they were just studio sessions that were to be completed in one day, so you could overdub to your heart's content if you were quick and knew what you wanted to do. Can probably did play live though.

posted this to facebook last week:

You ever like a song so much you wish it never ended and you just start playing it over and over again? I was going through that with Can's Oh Yeah, a perennial favorite, and was also curious about how it sounded backwards, because a lot of the guitar and half of the vocals are recorded backwards. So I made a version called Yeah Oh Yeah. It's Oh Yeah forwards, then On Yeah backwards, then Oh Yeah forwards but run through an Eventide H910 plug-in and some EQ, then it's Oh Yeah forwards while Oh Yeah backwards plays at the same time slightly quieter and panned a bit, aligned so the transition between forwards and backwards happens at about the same time, followed by Oh Yeah forwards again. It's 36 minutes long and can be found here:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/m4fl1x6t6g905vp/yeah%20oh%20yeah.mp3?dl=0

Oooh yeah! Relevant to my interests, thanks for sharing/posting!!

Oh No

Oh wow, what kind of bathroom break to end all bathroom breaks hath now been unleashedehsaelun neeb won htah skaerb moorhtab lla dne ot kaerb moorhtab fo dnik tahw ,wow hO

(in a DJing context, I should've specified, haha)

Well trans Europe express has long been many DJ’s bathroom break record. Always good to go to the Germans for such uses.

https://i.pinimg.com/600x315/ca/a3/05/caa3056ec0056def2fbdb1a6d7ce6a12.jpg

OMG, somebody with more skillz than me please retouch the kool aid man to look like Damo.

Kalling Karl Malone to thread.

Yesssss.
this is sounding great. I like that Damo sounds like he's backwards regardless of whether he's actually backwards. How did he do it!

the moment in Oh Yeah when the bass really kicks in, like 2 minutes into it, is really one of my favorite moments ever

last night I listened to the Singles comp, such a strange way to listen to Can's catalogue especially since the concept forces it to kick off with one of their worst tracks (IMO) in "Soul Desert". and it kinda misses everything that's really great about the band, no "Mother Sky", only 3 minutes of "Halleluwah" and "Future Days", no "Bel Air", etc. but it's still a fun listen. ending with "Can Can" and "Hoolah Hoolah" is pretty hilarious, actually. the "Hoolah Hoolah" remix samples a few of their old songs, it's bonkers

Agree — that singles Comp is very weird as an introduction to Can. I’ve got a huge soft spot for “Can Can” though

The comp does have “turtles have short legs” and it’s a ridiculous song that also kicks ass and it’s not available in any of the albums or previous comps iirc.

Seriously if that song was on Tago Mago or Ege Bamyasi (would fit better in the second imho) it would make a 10/10 album a 11/10. It’s one of my favorite Can songs with Damo.

i don't care if he is a moose, i ain't taking no driving lessons from someone named "mooselini"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6KR16f6hAE

lol every time I hear Turtles I sing that in my head

Do you know why we stopped the car
Do I know why we stopped the car

Cherry Red released Turtles as a 12" with Moonshake and One More Night. That's the version I have. Not sure what the story was in 1983 when they did that, but thank god.

https://www.discogs.com/Can-Moonshake/release/401665

Compiled by Epic Soundtracks! That's cool.

Yes, I've got that. Different mix or edit of "Turtles" I think?

yeah I think there's two edits of it, one of them (I think the original single version?) has this weird false start with Damo & more of a stereo mix. the one on Radio Waves is diffa bit more flat but probably sounds better

High Tyler, good to see you've still got info and links re Can w Tim Hardin and other passing voices, although the Tim Can youtube vid has been removed---yall check https://doomandgloomfromthetomb.tumblr.com/search/Tim%20Hardin%20Can

(xp) There's definitely something weird about one of the versions, there's a strange edit - and I've got a feeling it's the one on the Singles comp. Though that might be because I was familiar with the earlier version.

if you google around you should be able to find the can / tim hardin thing elsewhere xp

so I just went ahead and tried to retouch a damo suzuki kool aid man and uh, I think Adobe is cancelling my creative cloud subscription.

maybe i'll try again.

I might be able to hook up an enterprise CC license if it helps

Turtles is core syllabus Can for me because for several years the only Can I owned was that moonshake 12”. You could read about Can a lot in 1986 but finding their records was another matter

I just meant they were cancelling it because of how terrible a job I did. I still have it, I spend 10 hrs a day in it.

Just remembered one of the shows I missed due to quarantine was Damo in a club earlier this month. Tickets were about to go on sale when everything hit.

lol

was curious what Damo was singing on "Deadlock", so I looked it up

When we fool didn't know how build the new room
You could choose too along the sunshine.
But then the smile and then the reefs just for chess and me,
Now you fools stand happy in the pan.
When the smile and tender leaves just for chess and me,
Now you fools must stand in the pan.
When we fool didn't know how build the new room
You could choose too along the sunshine.

oh, thanks for clearing that up, I guess

have "official" Can lyrics ever been published anywhere? did the other members of the band even know what they are?

not even sure what damo knew what they were tbf

From reading the book iirc like a lot of Damo's songs were made up on the spot, like spontanteous poetry more than conscious song lyrics

idk if other Can lyricists approached composing lyrics the same way but i remember reading that somewhere

i know this is stupid but the first time I heard "Halleluwah" the bit where he names the previous three tracks kinda blew my mind - "Mushroomhead, oh yeah, paper house"

haha yeah thats a cool moment

on many other racks it seems clear to me that hes often vocalizing sounds that correlate to words and parts of english language speech but are not themselves actual words

Part of that is because didn't speak English when he joined Can iirc. He was a tourist who overstayed his visa and joined a band while in Germany and that band happened to be Can :) There was even a part in the book where he had a deportation scare but he got out of it.

as told in the book, the individual sagas of both mooney and damo are truly amazing stories!

so why was he mimicking English and not German? because Mooney sang in English?

speaking of - it's recently occurred to me that "Peking O" is, in modern terms, 11 minutes of musical shitposting. I don't know what inspired that track, it almost seems like they were looking at what Zappa was doing and figured "we might as well make this funny"

Also worth noting that Damo was aged 20-23 during his tenure with the band.

so why was he mimicking English and not German? because Mooney sang in English?

Because rock bands sing in English I suppose?

He said he was into Deep Purple at the time he joined Can.

It’s possible those prior tracks weren’t named, per se, when he sang that and the repetition was part of the naming

“hey, he offhandedly referenced some things he sang in the earlier jam, maybe those are names”

probably not the case for Mushroom but the other two yeah probably

Dam dud spend time in rural ireland before he returned to Germany so not sure if he picked up any English here. I think he was pretty quiet so possibly not a great deal.

Xpost it's possible but I doubt it.

New series of archival live albums coming! The first is Live in Stuttgart 1975 and there's an excerpt on YouTube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=da6bXpkbwzs

CAN

...and will!

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

great news obv but man what I wouldn't give for a soundboard quality recording of these folks

there's some, but not a ton, I'd have to dig

Live CAN incoming!! 🎉💥😀

the Radio Days boot LP has some killer FM live stuff iirc

i think this stuttgart thing is a soundboard ... there's a fair amount of live can soundboards out there. like the Box Music set.

the live excerpts from the Lost Tapes set are truly bonkers:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aI2PzN7j24

listening to that stuttgart excerpt, even if its not a soundboard it might as well be, sounds great

can't hear too much CAN

awesome! am i allowed to hope that these will be cd/download releases as well and not vinyl only

if it's vinyl only I will buy it and rip it for you

srsly

2CD set available for pre-order in the Mute store.

boom

Random Hold probably were the band that tried hardest to actually straddle prog and new wave, to very little acclaim.

Sorry, meant for the Genesis thread.

Holy shit this is incredible news, particularly when this is just the first in a series!

There's at least one live set by Can up on Spotify taht I hadn'tseen before like 2 weeks ago.
Surprised me because they're playing tracks taht are from soundtrack work . KInd of assumed a s/trk th8ng might be a very ephemeral thing that would only have been played in tandem with a replay of teh film involved though don't know their actual methodology with things like that.
Reminds me I picked up a 3lp set under irmin Schmidt's name at one point without a cover so I really don't know details of who was involved does sound like several tracks with can though that I really enjoyed. THink it cost me like £1 if that at the time .

Eins, Zwei, Drei, Vier, Fünf!
Which probably means one of them will be split over two sides so I'll probably go for the cd option. Excited for the whole series!

whatever, I'm getting the vinyl, long live CAN

Hope more Damo-era material surfaces tbqh

^^^

Vinyl (already sold out on in UK mute store) seems not to contain "Fünf":
Side A: Eins
Side B: Zwei
Side C: Drei (Part 1)
Side D: Drei (Part 2)
Side E: Drei (Part 3)
Side F: Vier

It's still for order at Mutebank? But indeed does not contain "Fünf", regrettably.

I was one day late and missed it??? 😢 not Fünf

Says both CD and LP version are available in the US Mute store.

right here https://store.mute.com/browse/can/products/can-live-in-stuttgart-1975

got it thank you!!

ordered

I guess the lp version gives you the download with fünf

I'm listening to "Jilala" by Jilala, Brion Gysin & Paul Bowles’ legendary 1966 recordings of Moroccan Sufi trance rituals which is often cited as being an influence on Can. I was previuously sceptical that its influence could be heard in Can's music but I can definitely detect some "Mushroom" DNA here.

one thing that always surprises me when I revisit their catalogue is how great all the recordings sound. especially something like Monster Movie, freaky psychedelic rock from 1969....it sounds like it could've been recorded yesterday.

Agree, but also recording tech was better then than now so that is why.

true but how many weirdass European bands had access to that? I can think of a lot of great 70's ones that certainly didn't.

Yeah makes sense. Great production was available to those who wanted and could afford it.

CAN's studio always sounded like it was pretty amazing

I'd say the main reason for that is Holger Czukay. They certainly did not have a lot of expensive equipment!

Aside from a very basic sound mixer, four microphones and four cheap pairs of headphones manufactured by the German post office (which Czukay was proud to tell everyone had cost him only one Deutschmark apiece), the centre of Can's recording setup was two quarter‑inch Revox two‑track machines.

Also worth remembering, that everything from "Monster Movie" to "Tago Mago" was recorded at Schloss Norvenich, they didn't move to Inner Space Studio till the end of 1971.

future days is just incredible sounding, I'm guessing the set up was more sophisticated by then. maybe not as much as I'd expect

I always assumed the foregrounded bass & drums on that album were based on sly & tfs' fresh but just found out they were both released around the same time. so whose idea it was to mix it like that and why idk but it works

Future Days is one of the most magical sounding albums ever.

in my experience if the rhythm section is badass you can't really go wrong foregrounding it in the mix (see: every reggae track ever)

No, they were using the same set up on "Future Days", they didn't move to 16-track till 1975. The interesting thing about "Future Days" is that Czukay and Liebezeit weren't happy with the mix on "Bel Air", they thought the rhythm section was too loud!

I'd say the rhythm section was foregrounded on all of Can's recordings before "Future Days", if anything it seems like maybe they were trying to get away from that on "Future Days" and subsequent recordings?

some more about the recording setup at Schloss Norvenich, from https://www.loudersound.com/features/can-the-making-of-landmark-album-tago-mago

They had what Czukay calls “the perfect reverberation room” – a 40-square-metre chamber lined with cardboard egg cartons stuck on the wall by the band. “They didn’t help acoustically,” says the bassist, “but we pretended they did.” But their forward-looking musical vision wasn’t matched by their primitive equipment. They laid down basic tracks using a pair of two-track tape recorders. They had just three microphones, shared between Liebezeit and Suzuki. There was no mixing console. “Everything bled,” says Czukay, who recorded the album. “Balance was difficult. But the album has amazing acoustic qualities, even if the sound quality is junk.”

there was obviously a huge leap in audio quality between taco and ege, much more space and “liquidity”

Business idea: Taco Mago taco stand

I'll have the ege taco to go

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flkuPgEEN9U

Omg Taco Mago is speaking to me as I’m very good at making tacos & need a job

Would patronize.

Local burrito place is called Tango Mango, I always call it Tago Mago much to the chagrin of my kids.

haha that's great

La Lechera I would also patronize your taco stand

every time I hear Monster Movie I'm surprised the tracks haven't all been used in some kind of 60's noir movie...its got such a cool and particular vibe to it

might suggest yoo doo rice and beans also.

And serve moonshakes.

Time to open the 'Bring Me Coffee or Tea' takeaway hot drinks franchise - for customers who don't care what they drink, as long as it's got a Spoon.

i've rinsed my og press of future days time and time again, sometimes unfortunately on poor record players, but it's taken almost no wear at all - it sounds clearer and newer than most new records i have. they did everything completely right with that performance to recording to pressing. marvel of engineering!

Taco Mago has to happen.

I've very likely mentioned it here before but I had a Mexican pressing of Future Days on the flimsiest beat up vinyl that sounded transcendental.

Tom D, was the disattisaction with the mix of Bel Air not that they felt the organ / string synth had ended up too loud. That's what I recall, perhaps from the Bussy book.

But I also have this recollection of Bel Air being dedicated to Hedy Lamarr and now can't find any reference to this. Maybe it was something else, I can't have entirely dreamed it because I didn't know who Hedy Lamarr was before that.

Lol I learned about Hedy Lamar from Little Shop of Horrors

Yes, I've read that it was dedicated to Hedy Lamarr too. And why not indeed?

Tom D, was the disattisaction with the mix of Bel Air not that they felt the organ / string synth had ended up too loud. That's what I recall, perhaps from the Bussy book.

No, definitely the opposite, Czukay let Rene Tinner do the live mix and said he'd mixed the rhythm section too loud. Jaki didn't have a good word to say about any Can albums except "Monster Movie" iirc.

Also, from the Bussy book I think, Holger liked "Future Days" because Can were becoming more symphonic, Jaki disliked "Future Days" because Can were becoming more symphonic.

Just got the email that my Live in Stuttgart shipped, stoked to get this.

I got the 7” a few days ago, sounds good

yeah mine's getting shipped rn, should arrive next week. people on the Krautrock FB group have had nothing but good things to say about it so far

What do people think of this live set? It seems I am one of the few who wasn't previously familiar with bootleg versions. I think I need to spend some more time with it. I listened to it on my walk this morning and I just kept waiting for Damo to start singing. I may also be starting to realize I have always considered Can a studio band.

This new John Dwyer project is doing it for me in terms of studio-spliced inner space CAN worship, FWIW--a really pleasant surprise which I'm more fully into than his last similar effort Bent Arcana ("Drei", the long 35-min jam, was my first-flip-through keeper off the new Stuttgart bootleg):

https://johndwyer.bandcamp.com/album/moon-drenched

yeah i've been enjoying the run of improvised albums he's been doing, heavy Can vibes.

On the new set I've only made it up through "Zwei" so far, which I dug a lot, about to go in on the rest of it today

this destroys

yeah it rules

Karoli sounds particularly good on this, tone and playing both

Jaki is super good too. though he seems to play at Russian folk song tempo a lot? like he's almost doing polka in some spots

since I never really listened much to the boots (always too low-fidelity for me) this was really revealing in how they made their material. it really is all improv until one of them (usually Schmidt) starts playing a line from one of their tunes and then the whole band follows and they just jam on that tune for a while. I don't wanna spoil which ones they are but a few of their studio tracks do show up here...sorta

that's what all their live tracks are like ime! i have never been into boot-hunting either but the Live 71-77 album is full of that sort of thing, plus the sound collage stuff on Lost Tapes, like Vitamin C showing up in Messer, Scissors, Fork & Light (which was assembled for a soundtrack iirc)

my most repeated Can opinion is that the version of Yoo Doo Right on that live album >>>>>>>> the album version, see also the elogated Spoon on Lost Tapes

I keep hoping that Live 71-77 album gets added to their new bandcamp page, I don't have that one.

Jaki is super good too.

Jaki is great in every single live gig I've heard of Can. Without exception. The one who's least consistent tends to be Karoli - but it's all relative!

I can see that, he does do that neener-neener-neener-neenerneenerneener thing a lot. if you don't like his guitar tone parts of this set may be hard to bear. I like when he gets more uh...bluesy

this stuttgart show is so fucking good

i wanna grow up to be jaki liebezeit

Jaki was a juggernaut, can you imagine playing a gig knowing Jaki is on drums?

have we ever done a S/D for his post-Can appearances? He's great on those first two Pluramon albums, for example

he's got four very distinct drum patterns and I think they all appear on here

i wanna grow up to be jaki liebezeit

― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, June 4, 2021 12:36 PM (thirty minutes ago)

this is why when all of my friends were like "yikes biological clock time 2 reproduce" i brought home my drum set!

Those 'Secret Rhythms' albums that Jaki made with Burnt Friedman from 2002 to 2013 are all great AFAIR--I also love Friedman's titling template (which he's since continued with YEK, his hand drum/FX duo) of naming tune the bpm-rhythmic cycle (127-17, etc.)

this is why when all of my friends were like "yikes biological clock time 2 reproduce" i brought home my drum set!

OTM

Finally breaking into this and it is...essential, of course. I'm sure this is upthread, and basically seen it announced as such, but liner notes confirm it's the first of a series.

this stuttgart show is so fucking good

Just listened to this - I think it's the whole set? I think it's the most I've ever enjoyed this band.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ayVlwmr0n4

Any idea when the next live release will be announced? I've hardly listened to the band in 15+ years but I seriously love the 1975 Stuttgart set as well.

What's the video? I'm seeing a "this video is unavailable." message.

it was the entire live in stuttgart album.

Stuttgart release was so maddeningly great that I fear I’m going to be shelling out money for each new one going forward.

Well, it’s on Spotty, so..

post won't age well if the series ends after two volumes because "Spotty"

Yes, but my reply was about it being removed from YouTube. Should have put xxxp but cbb.

Stuttgart release was so maddeningly great that I fear I’m going to be shelling out money for each new one going forward.

lol yeah about 5 minutes into Side A my thought was "shit, how many of these are there gonna be"

"Oh man, I hope this band doesn't keep putting out quality releases, lest I be forced to actually spend money on them and further supporting future quality releases, that would be terrible."

I've got to assume if they started the series post-Damo, there's some killer Damo stuff they're building towards. That said, this Babaluma/Landed admixture of tone and riffs has done a lot to make Landed feel like part of the classic run in my mind. The studio records capture ideas close to their point of creation, so it's wonderful to hear these musical ideas improvised upon after they've become patterns of rapport.

They were really good live ca. 1975/76.

I mean, they were always good, from what I can hear, but they were really cooking in this period.

there are two really great tracks from '75 on the Peel Sessions comp - a killer version of "Half Past One" and "Mighty Girl" which is an early (and much better) version of an Out of Reach track (maybe "November"?? I don't wanna listen to it again). I dig Landed and think it's almost classic but in retrospect probably could've been a lot better.

There never was a full live set officially released before, right? There's a momentum to this evening that I never got from the isolated live tracks I've heard.

no, that's a good point. definitely in the bootleg arena, but nothing official that was a single show

guessing this killer set might get a release https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zhdNviS0Vs

The one single show is the video pwrformance that's in the box set/dvd.
Is all of that there though?

I didn’t know that! I better track it down then.

Just running through my head that it has been said that the band lost a certain amount of spontaneity when they went multitrack in recording. They ceased to record one take simultaneously so weren't playing off each other to the same degree. Which would not be true live where they would be becoming more and more familiar with how to communicate with each other. So unless that became a safe shorthand which I have heard is a possibility in improvisation if one doesn't watch out the results could be spectacular.

Freeshow from Cologne in 1972.

'75/'76 shows I've heard have been brilliant. There's one from January 1976 (I think) recorded in Lyon which probably has the best drumming I've ever heard from Jaki - not only that but the sound quality is quite a bit better than this Stuttgart gig.

Paying proper attention I now realise that "Zwei" is a live mashup of "Dizzy Dizzy" and "Bel Air", which is nuts.

and the DRUMMING ON "DREI" OMG

Listening to side one this morning, whew! Intense.

New archival album announced -- Brighton, 1975

https://canofficial.bandcamp.com/album/live-in-brighton-1975-2

Hell yes! Was hoping that was the news when I saw this bumped.

Yes!!!!!

oh fuck YEAH

can they just release a massive live box set and i'll just never listen to any other music again

nice

yessss

f yeah!

Short excerpt on YouTube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2IepPY-8fk

same year, basically the same cover, will I drop $50 on it? I dunno probably. it has Sechs and Sieben on it!!!

Ugh I refreshed the bandcamp like 3 times hoping there was a preview track and that it just wasn’t loading for me

xp: Sechs und Sieben.

Nevermind I now see the excerpt above. I wonder if this was recorded by the same guy as the first one…has a very similar sound quality.

I think everything in this series was recorded by the same guy

I bet they'll do a box set once everyone has bought all the individual releases - I'm holding out :D

So is this show the one that these two songs from Live Music (1971-1977) came from?

"Dizzy Dizzy" – 8:02
19th Nov 1975, Brighton, Sussex University
"Vernal Equinox" – 12:44
19th Nov 1975, Brighton, Sussex University

O SHIT
I hope so bc those tracks 🔥🔥🔥

Hope there's some Damo stuff coming down the pike, but also love that this zone of perfect rapport between the core members is getting so much richer.

I like that they're doing post-Damo stuff first, because my knowledge of post-Damo can is pretty meager.

IIRC the main archive they're drawing on is a dude who made tapes mostly in the post-Damo years, so that's something to keep in mind.