If you actively dislike Creedence Clearwater Revival, then I can never respect anything you have to say about anything.

New (Old) Warehouse Decree: EVERY FRIDAY is CREEDENCE FRIDAY

stevie, you wouldn't per chance be in LA this weekend? because i will be.

xpost: why's it matter what he inspired? and anyway didn't he inspire, like, bob seger and john cougar more than he inspired the derailers?

They aren't in existance, so how?

I got a 'greatest hits' in a bootsale, was all 'ah lovely' got it home, thought "This is boring".

Is that active enough for yez?

and anyone seen the ccr woodstock footage? they're like fuckin' merzbow up there.

WRONG. I would be perfectly happy to never hear another note performed by John Fogerty ever, ever again.

I love CCR but I can certainly understand why people wouldn't like them: Fogerty's voice, samey arrangements, tendency to jam aimlessly
-- Oh No, It's Dadaismus (dadaismu...), June 2nd, 2006 11:12 AM.

You got it.

where can this be seen? (Youtube it...?) its not in the movie.

But yeah, I agree for the most part. CCR totally rule.

While I don't actively hate either of these, I really have no interest in either one.

One song I will allow: The one about Lodi is at least moderately tolerable. That's the highest compliment I can pay, sorry.

Creedence Clearwater Revival live at Woodstock.

b) All members of CCR are guaranteed to go to heaven when they die, thanks to their version of Good Golly Miss Molly.

c) Cosmo is seriously ripped in that Woodstock footage!

Creedence were about the only late-'60s Bay Area band who didn't jam aimlessly. they barely "jammed" at all! two long songs on Cosmo's Factory /= "a tendency"

That's how I feel about Bowie on a bad day.

no, they "get" that ccr sucks

"Have You Ever Seen The Rain" and "Who'll Stop The Rain" are great songs tho.

now you are unbanned. i don't pay enough attention.

an ac/dc song title: "my little erik is liking/the viking in you"

I can accept this. It took years for me to buy Chronicles.

There you go. Knock yerselves out!

So true.

Creedence were about the only late-'60s Bay Area band who didn't jam aimlessly. they barely "jammed" at all! two long songs on Cosmo's Factory /= "a tendency"

otm. i always heard their longer stuff ("grapevine," "ramble tamble," "keep on chooglin'") as a response to the dreary ineptness of groups like the dead: "hi. yeah, just wanted to let you know that we can do everything you can do, plus everything you can't do. sometimes simultaneously."

Truly, if you don't thrill to "Born On The Bayou" or the riff to "Up Around The Bend" then you should probably defenestrate your stereo, as you clearly have no appreciation for decent `choons.

I've stated before that Creedence Clearwater Revival is one of my favorite bands. They have one of the best singles runs of any band in the last 50 years. Every Creedence single was a double A-side. "What's your favorite Creedence song?" you might ask. And I would say "Whichever one is currently playing or is about to play next, depending on the physical proximity I have to one or the other." However, their long songs are nowhere near the might and caliber of late-60s Dead explorations.

<i>They have one of the best singles runs of any band in the last 50 years.</i>

i.e. The entire history of rock and roll

The thread title is hyperbole, but there's a kernel of truth. There are bands I like way more than Creedence, but they're a universal litmus test. If you actively dislike them (rather than just don't know that much about them beyond Lebowski, which is true of pretty much the entire population of the UK) then we're coming at music and culture from such different directions that we're never going to get along and we better stick to topics we know won't bug us.

I'm from the UK, and I like them a lot. They just never got much popular exposure over here, and yet at the same time weren't sufficiently "underground" to be picked up as a hip reference.

They're generally ignored as one of those worthy, "authentic" groups beloved of a certain type of sentimental US baby-boomer.

What most people over here are missing is that they were actually a great pop band.

Yes, there are great swathes of "classic rock" that are pretty much unknown outside the music nerd community in the UK. E.g. I have never met a British Steely Dan or Rush fan who didn't have several hundred other records. I gather these people are pretty common in the US. Even Fleetwood Mac don't seem as universal in the UK.

Creedence Clearwater Revival: C or D?

Best Creedence Clearwater Revival (CCR) Single

I think "not liking CCR" is a condition listed in the DSM-IV

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That's kinda pointless

seriously, you guys need to relax with the CCR. it's getting culty up in here.

I'm from the UK, and I like them a lot. They just never got much popular exposure over here

Not much exposure apart from having a UK No. 1 Single, 3 other UK Top 10 singles, two further UK Top 20 singles and three more UK Top 40 singles... total unknowns really.

rather than just don't know that much about them beyond Lebowski, which is true of pretty much the entire population of the UK

LOL @ Americans not knowing anything about the UK

Eh? I'm from Sheffield.

You should know better then!

Um, or meet the people you know who like Creedence, because I don't know any.

You should get out more. Admittedly I don't know too many 50-60 year olds either.

It seems like young people like Creedence in the US. They don't in the UK.

this thread is making me feel patriotic

Do you feel born to wave the flag...oooohh, the red, white and blue?

(xxpost) Undoubtedly, but they were much bigger in the US. However that is not the same as saying they didn't get "much exposure" in the UK, or that hardly anyone knows who they are. We're not talking Three Dog Night here!

It seems like young people like Creedence in the US. They don't in the UK.

Most youg folks don't know 'em beyond Bad Moon Rising. They don't get radio play much or get namechecked by UK bands or have features in Mojo and Uncut and that v much. I think the comment about people who know 'em having hundreds of records is true, in my experience.

Oh who knows what young people like, not me, that's for sure!

... what I mean is, I don't know what young people like, not that they don't like me, errrrrrrrrrr, if you see what I mean

I think that if you ask a randomly selected 20-40 year old in the UK, they probably won't be able to name any of their songs -- and that's if they've even heard of them. Sure, they were known at the time, but they're just not part of the cultural canon in the same way over here.

Meaningless anecdotal evidence: most of my friends (in their 20s) are several-hundred-CDs types, but I think I'm the only one who actually owns any Creedence (apart from my brother, who got a copy of Chronicles from me for his birthday last year).

I think that if you ask a randomly selected 20-40 year old in the UK, they probably won't be able to name any of their songs -- and that's if they've even heard of them.

True. But true of most late-60s American rock bands.

Tom D. are you working around to a point or just being argumentative for the sake of it?

That Creedence Clearwater Revival are hardly an obscure band in the UK? Pretty obvious point I'd say.

I only knew Fortunate Son (via the Circle Jerks) and Bad Moon Rising until today, when (partly prompted by this thread although I already had it on mp3 anyway) I listened to Willy & the Poor Boys. I can report that I don't actively dislike CCR, but I'm not blown away by them either. I am British though, which may or may not have some bearing on the matter. I really like Effigy.

i like willy & the poor boys a lot, but i go with cosmo's factory or green river as legit "blown away" material

also, thread title otm x 1,000,000

I didn't realise Run Through The Jungle was CCR! I only know the 8 Eyed Spy & Gun Club versions. I guess I'd better download that one as well then...

Green River is the one.

THEY ARE ALL THE ONE

Yo Colonel: also go for the song 'Ramble Tamble' for brilliant uncharacteristic mesmeric psych jam! And in response to what people say upthread about lack of UK airplay etc., Wogan often rocks a bit of 'Lodi' or 'Bad Moon' in the AM! If that ain't mainstream, I dunno what is.

Every album has a song you don't notice much on the first few listenings, but which creeps up behind and sticks an ice pick in your noggin: "Sinister Purpose", "Penthouse Pauper" et al

I put Ramble Tamble (and a pre-CCR track of theirs) on my blog earlier this week: http://pentangle.net/blog/archives/156 and http://pentangle.net/blog/archives/153.

no mention of Bayou Country?? THAT one is the one that kicked my ass - i never have gotten up from that

by the way, in 1969, Bayou Country reached #41 on Billboard's "Black Albums" chart

someone just mentioned Penthouse Pauper, that's on Bayou, right? As is Keep on Chooglin'. I youtubed that Woodstock stuff this weekend, holy cow.

"Not much exposure apart from having a UK No. 1 Single, 3 other UK Top 10 singles, two further UK Top 20 singles and three more UK Top 40 singles... total unknowns really."

Yeah, but you'd never know it, would you?

They never crop up on those "Sounds of The Sixities"/"Rock'n' Roll Years" type nostalgia programmes. It might be because there's no readily available UK TV performances that are easy to dig out of the archives. Unlike, say, The Byrds, where you'll always see that TOTP "Tambourine Man" clip pop up sooner or later.

They've pretty much been erased from the collective UK memory, as far as I can see.

i just wanna pop in to say that i am more proud of this thrad than any other thread i have started on ILM ever.

They were overrated, but I don't actively dislike them.

Yo Colonel: also go for the song 'Ramble Tamble' for brilliant uncharacteristic mesmeric psych jam!

also on this tip - Pagan Baby!! total killer, that one.

I youtubed that Woodstock stuff this weekend

!!! I have never seen this footage, wasn't aware it was even available

"They've pretty much been erased from the collective UK memory"

Yes, it took a lot of work, but we did it. Skynyrd are next.

christ no wonder the uk's music scene sucks

hahaha

sad but true

Amen.

i'd got to war for CCR

CCR haters hate your freedom

HEY SHAKEY MOOOOO

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=ccr+woodstock

ja watched all those last night - thx!

"christ no wonder the uk's music scene sucks"

Of course, it's stuff like this that prompts us UK'ers who like CCR in practice to hate them in principle.

Thinking about what you said about CCR not being that well known in the UK in spite of their (quite considerable) chart success, maybe that's because they were considered a sort of pop band? Therefore not deemed interesting enough for proggers? More conjecture, in the 70s, didn't Status Quo basically become a kind of UK version of CCR? Blotting out CCR in the process?

ohhhhh that's right you Britishers are obsessed with categories of music and such, i forgot. carry on.

And Americans aren't?!?! LOL

Ugh.

i said obsessed, not aware of

"didn't Status Quo basically become a kind of UK version of CCR?"

Quo, at their peak, were far heavier than CCR could dream of being.

Quo were louder. Louder ain't heavier. And fey faux-"psychedelic" vocals damn sure ain't heavier than Fogerty.

Quo's thing was brutal, unrelenting riffage. They helped create metal as we know it. Not for what they added, but for all they stripped away.

oh thank god ilx is back

i missed its brutal, unrelenting idiocy

What's wrong with brutal, unrelenting idiocy? We all love the Ramones, nicht wahr?

heads-down boogie and chooglin' are two very different things, my man.

amen!

"heads-down boogie and chooglin' are two very different things, my man"

OTM, and I hpe we can part as friends on that one,

This is a great thread, but I kinda regret reviving it. Having three CCR threads among all Geir's polls for a couple of days was rad though.

chronicles vol. 1

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Tom - yeah, you might have a point there. A lot of people seem to know "Bad Moon Rising" and "Fortunate Son", but often don't know who it's by.

I personally think that CCR didn't have the kind of "media presence" here that they did in the US. A lot of rock''roll memory is about associating a name to a face. I kind of think that the British equivalent is T-Rex. Lot's of Americans probably know "Get It On" ("Bang A Gong"), but didn't have enough TV exposure of Marc Bolan for T-Rex to become iconic in the USA.

I understand where you are coming from with the Status Quo reference, but I think the USA vs. UK disconnect is due to the different ways our respective media work (especially TV) than any profound musical differences.

Dude we love T. Rex

But not in the same way you love CCR. Which is kind of my point.

i dunno, there's a lot of love for them (T. Rex) over here.

C'mon, as PhilK said there are a handful of T Rex songs that are huge in the US, but T Rex doesn't have anything like the profile of CCR on e.g. classic rock radio. You can regularly hear 80% of Chronicle vol 1 there, but the only T Rex you'll regularly get is "Get It On".

They're both great bands (imho obv.)

But I'm talking in kind of "folk memory" terms, which is admittedly vague, but...

The difference I sense is that CCR have a strong sentimental appeal to Americans - they're the kind of consensus band that everyone can love, through various generations, whereas T-Rex have a different kind of appeal - more different, more alien.

And the same applies to T-Rex in the UK - generally they have a univeral cross-generational appeal, whereas CCR are more of a niche classic rock/americanophile band (and I'm an americanophile at heart).

Of course, this may just be my personal perception, but it seems to be "true" to me.

did CCR ever tour the UK...?

cuz that might explain a bit.

if I had a band we would start every show with "Ramble Tamble."

but chooglin' though

truer now than it ever was

"by the way, in 1969, Bayou Country reached #41 on Billboard's "Black Albums" chart"

Led Zep were on the black LP chart too that year

while both bands were undeniably influenced by black music, somehow or another those groups on the soul listings is kinda farfetched

Wow. Creedence really is a black hole for us Britishers. 2 questions : Why any good? Where to start?

1) Chooglin'
2) Records

how did i never see ian post this and post to it?

I'd say the best entry point would be "Green River" (altho all the LPs are remarkably solid, with the possible exception of their swansong, "Mardi Gras")

Explaining WHY they are great is a bit more complex.

Where to start? Chronicle Volume 1. Why any good? Read the thread.

Does ben hate CCR?

ooh yeah Chronicles Vol 1 has all the hits, I forgot about their collections.

altho it should be noted that that's all the singles, and the weirder/crazier/more interesting stuff like Ramble Tamble (which I think one the CCR POO poll?) and Pagan Baby and such are not on there

eh nevermind maybe I guess there was just a singles poll, not a POO

jesus no! (see the dating zeppelin thread) i feel like we must have gone over this very topic though in the friday warehouse...thread and that i must have provided my "creedance is the grand unifier" theory in the "we can all agree" thread at some point...

i guess i ignore ilm so regularly in recent years, i just missed it

i have trust and love for those who actively love ccr, steely dan, and fleetwood mac

I love this thread. Thomas, as a Brit who gets Creedence, yeah, the best place to start if probably with Chronicles Vol. 1. Nuthin' but smashes. I'm jealous of you. Your first few listens will be like discovering the greatest singles band ever for the first time.

Your first few listens will be like discovering the greatest singles band ever for the first time.

How does Alex in NYC feel about CCR?

I'm looking forward to this. will report back tomorrow.

Your first few listens will be like discovering the greatest singles band ever for the first time.

I remember hearing CCR for the 1st time when i got the chronicles cd in the mid 90s. I was amazed they werent that well known here in the uk apart from 1 uk no1 single as that singles comp is one awesome single followed by even more awesome singles. 1st album proper i heard was Cosmo's factory so i'd suggest getting that too.

If you love Chronicle then I say just get the box set.

yeah..theres some filler on the box, but...worth it otherwise to have the rest

a. thomas does not represent us all
b. omar little otm.

c. chronicles 1 is just about superseded by this http://www.amazon.co.uk/Bad-Moon-Rising-Creedence-Clearwater/dp/B0000C4LZ7/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1204250965&sr=1-8 so i would say get that if you see it on the rack. otherwise the former is cheaper on amazon.

Wow. Creedence really is a black hole for us Britishers

What utter shite.

Honestly, I'm not sure I know anyone who doesn't like Creedence

you've already had this argument Tom - last October upthread.

you've got to admit that compared to the US CCR don't have anywhere near the same cultural influence. sure they have their fans and they may have sold a few records back in the day but it's not exactly staple-diet stuff is it?

Ha ha, yeah, I know we've had this argument before... but a "CCR is a black hole for Britishers"? Come on, that's obviously bollocks... received wisdom, I-read-it-somewhere-it-must-be-true bollocks... y'know, like "Punk starting as a reaction against Prog" or "The Winter of Discontent" etc

Does CCR have any great 'influence' in the current scheme of things in the UK?

Computer says noh.

Seriously though, what American rock bands were selling lots of records in the UK in the late 60s/ early 70s? Were there any? The only one I can think of is Canned Heat!

The Eagles?

um

Hendrix
Dylan
Doors
Byrds
CSNY
Beach Boys

& lots more surely

Oh, CCR sold well over here, sure!

8 Creedence Clearwater Revival Proud Mary Single May 1969
1 Creedence Clearwater Revival Bad Moon Rising Single Aug 1969
19 Creedence Clearwater Revival Green River Single Nov 1969
20 Creedence Clearwater Revival Green River Album Jan 1970
31 Creedence Clearwater Revival Down On The Corner Single Feb 1970
10 Creedence Clearwater Revival Willy And The Poor Boys Album Mar 1970
8 Creedence Clearwater Revival Travellin' Band Single Apr 1970
3 Creedence Clearwater Revival Up Around The Bend Single Jun 1970
20 Creedence Clearwater Revival Long As I Can See The Light Single Sep 1970
1 Creedence Clearwater Revival Cosmo's Factory Album Sep 1970
8 Creedence Clearwater Revival Pendulum Album Jan 1971
36 Creedence Clearwater Revival Have You Ever Seen The Rain Single Mar 1971
36 Creedence Clearwater Revival Sweet Hitch-Hiker Single Jul 1971

xpost Eagles were post 1975

Tell you what though, the doors?

15 Doors Hello I Love You, Won't You Tell Me Your Name? Single Aug 1968
16 Doors Waiting For The Sun Album Sep 1968 Notes
12 Doors Morrison Hotel Album Apr 1970 Notes
28 Doors L.A. Woman Album Jul 1971 Notes
22 Doors Riders On The Storm Single Oct 1971

i.e. not much at the time!

Hendrix
Dylan
Doors
Byrds
CSNY
Beach Boys

& lots more surely

Hendrix doesn't really count. It's entirely possible that CCR sold more records in the UK than all of those acts in 1969/70. The Byrds couldn't get arrested after 1967. Beach Boys weren't doing much business either. The Doors possibly. Dylan, doubt it. I'm not sure how popular CSN(Y) actually were in the UK.

yeah I guess I've answered "which American rock bands from the 60/70s have sold a lot of records in the UK" , not Tom's question!

Without fail, my parents' friends and my friends' parents all have copies of CSNY albums. ( Although I admit this is as much of a straw poll as your friends all liking Creedence)

Relevant UK chart performance histories, '67-72:

13 Beach Boys Surfer Girl Album Mar 1967
4 Beach Boys Then I Kissed her Single May 1967
8 Beach Boys Heroes And Villains Single Aug 1967
3 Beach Boys Best Of The Beach Boys Volume 2 Album Oct 1967
9 Beach Boys Smiley Smile Album Nov 1967
29 Beach Boys Wild Honey Single Nov 1967
11 Beach Boys Darlin' Single Jan 1968
7 Beach Boys Wild Honey Album Mar 1968
25 Beach Boys Friends Single May 1968
1 Beach Boys Do It Again Single Jul 1968
13 Beach Boys Friends Album Sep 1968
8 Beach Boys Best Of The Beach Boys Volume 3 Album Nov 1968
33 Beach Boys Bluebirds Over The Mountain Single Dec 1968
10 Beach Boys I Can Hear Music Single Feb 1969
3 Beach Boys 20/20 Album Mar 1969
6 Beach Boys Break Away Single Jun 1969
5 Beach Boys Cottonfields Single May 1970
5 Beach Boys Greatest Hits Album Sep 1970
29 Beach Boys Sunflower Album Dec 1970
15 Beach Boys Surf's Up Album Nov 1971
25 Beach Boys Carl And The Passions/So Tough Album Jun 1972

37 Byrds Younger Than Yesterday Album Apr 1967
12 Byrds The Notorious Byrd Brothers Album May 1968
15 Byrds Dr Byrds And Mr Hyde Album May 1969
11 Byrds Untitled Album Nov 1970
19 Byrds Chestnut Mare Single Feb 1971

6 Bob Dylan Greatest Hits Album Jan 1967
1 Bob Dylan John Wesley Harding Album Mar 1968
30 Bob Dylan I Threw It All Away Single May 1969
1 Bob Dylan Nashville Skyline Album May 1969
5 Bob Dylan Lay Lady Lay Single Sep 1969
1 Bob Dylan Self Portrait Album Jul 1970
1 Bob Dylan New Morning Album Nov 1970
24 Bob Dylan Watching The River Flow Single Jul 1971
12 Bob Dylan More Bob Dylan Greatest Hits Album Dec 1971

17 Crosby Stills & Nash Marrakesh Express Single Aug 1969
25 Crosby Stills & Nash Crosby, Stills And Nash Album Aug 1969
5 Crosby Stills Nash & Young Deja Vu Album May 1970
5 Crosby Stills Nash & Young Four-Way Street Album May 1971

Bobby D FTW

Dylan+Beach Boys always big in the UK

Biggest (selling) bands in the world were all British though... pretty much?

Until The Eagles!!!

Beatles, Stones, Zep, Who, and also the Kinks who became mega in the States after tanking it here.

"Creedence really is a black hole for us Britishers"

A good example of a band to which this actually applies
NRBQ Classic or Dud

Reporting back after first listen to chronicles ( granted didn't give it full concentration as I'm supposed to be working)

Voice is gonna take some getting used to. but music generally great.

thanks, ILM!

from allmusic

Themes
* Drinking
* Empowering
* Guys Night Out
* Hanging Out
* TGIF
* The Great Outdoors
* Victory
* Celebration
* Road Trip
* Freedom

Regardless of their chart performance at the time, they're pretty much unknown to people my age (26) except as that band the guy in the Big Lebowski likes.

Mind you, I know it's been said before but:

20 Creedence Clearwater Revival Green River Jan 1970
10 Creedence Clearwater Revival Willy And The Poor Boys Mar 1970
1 Creedence Clearwater Revival Cosmo's Factory Sep 1970
8 Creedence Clearwater Revival Pendulum Jan 1971

So that's 2 months, 6 months, 4 months. And that's just the ones that made the UK charts!

Dire Oyster Revival is the best band ever.

A good example of a band to which this actually applies
NRBQ Classic or Dud

There are lots but the best example, without a shadow of a doubt, is Kiss.

Journey, too, I believe.

Regardless of their chart performance at the time, they're pretty much unknown to people my age (26) except as that band the guy in the Big Lebowski likes.

that's depressing! i'm 25, and while the big lebowski's done a lot to sustain CCR's popularity, i know lots of people that love them aside from that!

Creedence Clearwater Revival: C or D?

Best Creedence Clearwater Revival (CCR) Single

I fully endorse the title of this thread.

it's creedence friday!

it's Creedence Friday

-- dmr, Friday, March 28, 2008 12:45 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

so down w/ creedence friday. it's chooglin' time

CHOOGLIN TIME!

The only problem with Creedence Friday is that now all other Fridays just won't be the same. We'll have to make every Friday Creedence Friday!

Woodstock Chooglin'

EVERY FRIDAY IS CREEDENCE FRIDAY.

^^^^!!

woodstock choogle is the best thing i've heard all day

http://www.chooglin.net/images/Chooglin1b.gif
http://www.chooglin.net/images/Chooglin1b.gif
http://www.chooglin.net/images/Chooglin1b.gif

Ramble Tamble

Ramble Tamble

Ramble Tamble

Ramble Tamble

http://riff-o-matic.com/images/proudmary/1.gif

TH: We often cover Creedence Clearwater Revival, which is weird because I don't personally like them as a band, but it turns out...like, I don't like Proud Mary. You know that song?

Pitchfork: Yeah, I do.

TH: I don't like that song.

Cancelling Les Savy Fav fanclub membership.

I don't like Proud Mary. You know that song?

Pitchfork: Yeah, I do.

He knows THAT song? Just... wow!

He had to ask who sung "Jeremy" tho, sounds like he's heard maybe 4-5 records ever

TH is not me by the way

fuck les savy fav imo

tru

ramble tamble is f'in awesome, but it has that line that creepsme out: "actors in the white house." it's like weird reagan prophecy...has anyone else noticed this? this song was written at least ten years before RWR was elected President...what is going on with Fogerty & co.?

ramble tamble is f'in awesome, but it has that line that creepsme out: "actors in the white house." i it's like weird reagan prophecy...has anyone else noticed this? this song was written at least ten years before RWR was elected President...what is going on with Fogerty & co.?

While still governor of California, Reagan ran for President in 1968 - he actually beat out Nixon in overall popular vote, but didn't have enough delegates to defeat Nixon.

Listening to "Bootleg" on shuffle play and was reminded of the "appalachian-kraut-boogie" description from one of the other CCR threads. Brilliant song.

I actively dislike Credence Clearwater Revival.

Then I will never respect anything you have to say about anything. Including "I actively dislike Credence Clearwater Revival."

(So much so that I don't know how to spell their name.)

That's too bad.

Why do you "actively dislike" them?, says this fan of CCR.

Fogerty's big chompin' voice grosses me out.

see how good the water tastes
when you can't have any more

My mom beat me with a switch while playing CCR non-stop. That is why. Feel bad about it.

^^^New board description^^^?

TAKE A GLASS OF WAAAHTER MAKE IT AGAYNST THE LAAAAAAAAHWWWW

I love CCR. And I do know who Trisomie 21 is.

Listening to CCR is the only thing that got me through the hard times of being beaten with a switch.

Based on these anecdotes, I will probably give CCR's live show a miss.

1:groove is relentless & formidable
2:could be 2 x as long & still great
3:no matter how loud you turn this up, it could still go 1 louder if poss:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAVhKjsImeI

For years my dad maintained that CCR were the greatest rock and rollers ever and I laughed at him. Now I've been learned.

I actively really fucking love the woodstock version of "I put a spell on you."

This is meant as the ultimate compliment, not something to appall CCR lovers: I thought the key to why Madonna's "Beautiful Stranger" was so great was that it had CCR all over it, especially "Born on the Bayou."

I actively really fucking love the woodstock version of "I put a spell on you."

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the woodstock movie is so bizarre in retrospect, really gave everyone a warped view of the show

is there footage of CCR there, or were they not filmed? they're not in the movie, right?

not in the movie as far as i know, or at least the regular cut that they showed on PBS when i was a kid...dylan, the band, tim hardin, mountain, the grateful dead lots of others performed as well and weren't in

i think albert goldman had a dispute with the filmmakers and pulled all his artists, which was part of the omissions

huh wiki says incredible string band and johnny and edgar winter too

i actively dislike them, for real. i think i am allergic to john fogerty

dylan didn't pla woodstock - i think they begged him to, though.
& yeah, ISB are sort of notorious for bombing miserably at woodstock.

i only dislike eric clapton/cream more

CCR's Woodstock performances are youtube-linked upthread. They performed and went over very well but it was Fogerty's decision to not be included in the film, which really irritated the other bandmembers (similar to his insistence on them never doing encores). Their performance was not included in the theatrical release of the film, nor was it included on the record, or in subsequent reissues of the film in other formats.

(above from memory based on the book Up Around the Bend: An Oral History of Creedence Clearwater Revival)

oh -- see those youtubes now. cool.

Some of their performances are included in the bonus features on the latest DVD edition of Woodstock. They're on the cd box as well, tho I think it's not all the same songs.

Never really got into these dudes until recently, thanks to my boss playing them relentlessly. I could've really used a "everything but the greatest hits" collection to start with, but I've bought most of their albums for less than $15 all together. And they rule, and I'm dumb for missing out.

Finally ordered the box set yesterday after years of neglecting my CCR needs

^ Rockin' the Rickenbacker in that clip! I've noticed this trend in old music clips where once the guitar solo starts they suddenly pan to something totally boring, like the vibrating drum head or the bassist smiling. It's like it never occurred to them to show the goddam solo.

But man, Fogerty's voice ....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCXspr3QoEs

Boy, "(Wish I Could) Hideaway" and "Pagan Baby" are bringin' it this morning.

Pendulum is underrated!

"Pagan Baby" does indeed rule hard. I can't recall other Pendulum tracks beyond "Have You Ever Seen The Rain/Hey Tonight."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99LN5idhOzE

Oh yeah, and "Molina!" I love the Tex-Mex keys and sax in this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEJmHemzbCc&feature=related

https://www.facebook.com/quierocreedence/

Drawing heavily from a much vilified era of American rock, circa 1969-1974, Howlin Rain reek of early Grateful Dead, Allman Bros, CCR, Crazy Horse...
― Marmotdeth (marmotwolof), Friday, June 2, 2006 1:18 AM (10 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

<3

Music critics and their uncanny ability to universalize personal taste pt 1

The surviving Jeffrey Lebowski to thread.

https://www.facebook.com/quierocreedence/

― Kenneth Without Anger (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, August 8, 2016 3:23 AM (2 days ago)

<3

I need to read the biographies.
Mark Prindle was talking about what I think was a Fogerty memoir a few weeks back that sounded like it should be pretty revelatory.
& there's a thick tome written by somebody else I think, I'm picturing it as being about the same size as the expanded Timeless flight not sure why.

& the lps are pretty necessary. I'd say particularly Bayou Country but that might be subjective.
& I do enjoy the 1st lp which I don't think everybody does.
& the live sets I have are pretty great, would love some more earlier ones though.I think I mainly have from '69

Was just listening to these guys yesterday, and tweeted that I've read horror novels a lot less scary than the lyrics to "Lodi."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIfQNB5WXmY

I do enjoy the 1st lp which I don't think everybody does

Skipping the first one means you don't get their "I Put a Spell On You" and "Ninety-Nine and a Half Just Won't Do" (two of Fogerty's best vocals), the long version of "Susie Q," and "Walk on the Water," one of the great lost psych-garage songs that I am amazed more bands (or any besides Richard Hell, afaict) don't cover.

I know I had the first LP years ago, but I had no recollection of "Walk on the Water" until I just listened now. Great song!

Yeah Walk on the Water is my favourite track off the 1st album. It's a good record, not quite in the same league as Green River or Cosmo's Factory but it's probably my 3rd favourite CCR LP.

all the lps are great

well Mardi Gras isn't so great

the oral history of CCR is p good

Thanks for the rec. I ordered it through interlibrary loan.

it's p short and compiled from a lot of different sources - everybody's bitterness comes through loud and clear though lol

I like most of the songs on Mardi Gras, I just wish John would have sung them all.

which is the oral history?

& is Bad Moon Rising by Hank Bordowitz any good?

http://www.alibris.com/Up-Around-the-Bend-The-Oral-History-of-Creedence-Clearwater-Revival-Craig-Werner/book/6948496

The Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame is built with lumber harvested exclusively from John Fogerty's sideburns.
― m0stly clean (m0stly clean), Sunday, June 4, 2006 6:39 PM (10 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

haha

Just heard "Fortunate Son" in the wild for the first time in a long time, and wept a little. What a fucking nailbomb of a song.

"And when you ask them, "How much should we give?"
Ooh, they only answer More! more! more!"

The CCR Live at Woodstock 2LP is fucking great. The rhythm section is incredible: about 8-9 minutes into Keep on Chooglin', after the 3 minute harmonica solo is followed by a destructive guitar solo, with Doug Clifford just in motorik lockstep for 5 minutes, my wife said, "I feel like I am getting run over by a train."

1:groove is relentless & formidable
2:could be 2 x as long & still great
3:no matter how loud you turn this up, it could still go 1 louder if poss:

― lycanthrope electrif (Pashmina), Thursday, February 17, 2011 2:36 PM (eight years ago) bookmarkflaglink

Don't know if this is the same performance, but pretty incredible:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Azt-0StLZOk

That album looks great. Has a cover of one of my all-time favorite Wilson Pickett jams, “Ninety-Nine and a Half ( Just Won’t Do).” Looking forward to listening.

Hey, instrumental break on “Born On The Bayou” sounds like “Lady Godiva’s Operation.”

They are definitely bumping up against some of VU and the Dead's wilder moments.

It really is great.

For years didn't Fogerty think the band's Woodstock performance was sub par? Or was he just holding a grudge because the Dead's performance forced CCR to go on at like 2am?

Caryn Rose who wrote the review on Pitchfork was going some notebook dumps on Twitter and commented that this general view by many of the acts that their performances were subpar didn't seem to jibe with the recordings

You know who had a great performance at Woodstock that I didn't even know performed Woodstock? Mountain!

Pete Townshend thought Woodstock was The Who's second-worst performance.

Fogerty, or at least whoever it is that signs off on CCR stuff, has loosened up on the Woodstock performance for a while now, as bits and pieces have been coming out legitimately on different CD comps and DVD/Blu-rays since at least the 40th anniversary.

Yes, I think Fogerty thought it wasn't good enough to release.

Actually, it looks like the first tracks surfaced on this 25th anniversary box: https://www.allmusic.com/album/woodstock-three-days-of-peace-music-25th-anniversary-mw0000118155

And Daltrey called it "the worst gig we ever played." Chunks of the Who's set were officially released over the years, but Townshend still nixed a release of the full set back in 1994.

They were tripping against their will for hours while waiting to play (because everything backstage was spiked with acid), but Townshend loved Sly's set, which preceded theirs, later saying, "There's been no better band in history than Sly & The Family Stone."

Also, it looked like the Who wouldn't get paid. Artists who refused to play without their money were threatened by the organizers (presumably, Michael Lang) that an announcement would be made from the stage along the lines of, "the Who is here, but they won't play for you until they get paid!" The Who said, "Go on. Say it. Piss off half a million people, and see what happens." So the Who got their dough.

xxxp

There was a video circulating a few years ago. I know I had it, so sometime late 00ies early teens.
Seemed to be pretty noisy, raucous and stuff.
Not sure who filmed it. Was it part of the footage that was shot then made into the film, just left out or was it someone else?
THink i probably still have it just not sure which disconnected hard drive it would be on.

I'm seeing there is also talk of releasing audio from the Royal Albert Hall a few months later too. THink there is already a recording that has claimed to be from there but not sure if its mislabeled.
Would love some more earlier live stuff from 67 or 68. There area few tracks on the s/t cd from a few years ago .
I think what's on the Bayou country is a bit later though.

There was a video circulating a few years ago. I know I had it, so sometime late 00ies early teens.
Seemed to be pretty noisy, raucous and stuff.
Not sure who filmed it. Was it part of the footage that was shot then made into the film, just left out or was it someone else?

Those probably were outtakes from the film. A few songs have popped up as bonus features, and I think some other clips have been bootlegged.

I wrote about the Woodstock performance.

Well done, Phil.

“We’re having a multitude of problems. I’m sure you don’t want to hear about ‘em”

Great review.

Yeah, the sound seems off at the beginning of “Born on the Bayou”, which is a shame as it is one of my favorite intros in all of music.

that was great!

this kills so much

CCR rules.

Still digging this.

This is some good shit but really it sounds like '68 Captain Beefheart to me, not every live band in the '60s sounded like the VU or the Dead! :)

CCR is just as distinctive as any of those bands, this sounds like CCR

yeah idk Beefheart seems like the wrong point of comparison - he hated grooves!

MIrror man seems pretty groove orientated, TMR sounds a bit more angular, I thought there wasa soul influence creeping in on Decals that became pretty clearly overt on Clear Spot.
Safe as Milk and Strictly Personal both seem pretty groove orientated, particularly the latter.

I found that the early live sets I had by man from 1970 in Germany really reminded me of the MIrror Man type sound.

Need to get this

he hated grooves, he said so himself repeatedly!

he’s bothered by the fact that its practitioners stick to what he calls “the mama heartbeat” – the steady unvarying rhythmic pulse that he’s been working subtle variations on, snaking his way around, syncopating sinuously or avoiding altogether for 15 years.

“I think that beat is related to fascism, I really do. It’s so fixative, so hypnotic. And they make the stuff so synthesized – to where it’s dangerous to the heart, I mean, faster-than-the-heart disco – some of that disco is dangerous! It doesn’t mean it won’t sell! But then again, sugar sells, which I think is extremely dangerous!”

Looks like there was some discussion of Woodstock Choogle upthread eleven years ago.

I thought there wasa soul influence creeping in on Decals

Where?

B-b-but what about the Howlin’ Wolf influence?

There was a soul influence on "Safe As Milk" but I can't hear on "Decals".

he hated grooves, he said so himself repeatedly!

― Οὖτις

he did! also, he lied a lot, and he had a fucking great drummer who was more than a little responsible for his sound!

here's a 11 minute live version of "rollin' and tumblin'" from 1968. try and tell me there's no swamp blues choogle here!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CS-iJtRFpZo

What I hear as a soul influence is on several tracks on the Decals lp. I need to listen to the lp again before pointing to exact moments that stand out to me but it's something I remember noticing every time I hear it.

Also the quote from van vliet talking about repetitive beats would appear to come from late 70s and reference disco. Would think that gave him a long time to rethink his history which he seemed to do constantly anyway. Disco beat was a lot stiffer than an r'n'b groove wasn't it?

You're right that he started doing that mama heartbeat routine ("I don't want my heart to attack me!") for interviewers in the late 70s but I seem to remember John French saying he'd been railing against 4/4 for years before that.

I should probably say that Decals is something of a continuation of the TMR sound but minus a guitarist but other influences are coming in. & I keep hearing something in the mix that sounds like it comes from soul. It's an element that's present rather than an overt 'this is a soul track' which seems semi overt at least on Clear Spot.

1:groove is relentless & formidable
2:could be 2 x as long & still great
3:no matter how loud you turn this up, it could still go 1 louder if poss:

― Mazzy Tsar (PBKR), Sunday, August 4, 2019 9:41 AM (five days ago) bookmarkflaglink

So you're saying they should have kept on chooglin'....

In which case I agree.

Thought exercise: what if CCR never stopped chooglin’

but chooglin by nature is eternal

This whole time I was thinking about it like chooglin’ is a CCR activity, like Fogerty was asking the others to keep on going.

but really, maybe this was just a plea for others to keep on chooglin’...maybe he knew CCR wouldn’t be able to keep on doing it for much longer, so he was trying to recruit new participants?

I prefer this latter explanation

then wouldn't he have said, "can anybody out there choogle?". The performance I thought was clearly revelling in the eternal choog. The band, the audience, everyone. The Woodstock show didn't need to be released because it has always been with us.

Some say this was the “song for everyone” that he references on green river

All that 1969 output...many are saying he knew the end of CCR was nigh, he knew he had to start a movement (a Revival?) to ensure the continuity of the chooglin’

This is all so fucked up

we're here. it happened.

omg

if you need to collect yourself, there's a bathroom on the right

I’m on my way to work. I have to work all day, like this

I’ll just calmly explain the situation to my boss, he’ll definitely understand

he knows as well, of the bathroom

Next time you have to go to the bathroom, just tell your boss you have to go choogle. they'll get it.

Where's Karl? Oh, he had to go choogle, he'll be back in a few.

Does anybody remember chooglin?

like that Aerosmith album, "Chooglin on Bobo"?

I am finally listening to some of the Woodstock performance now

CCR RULES

It's up on Spotify if you haven't got a physical copy yet.
I just bought a copy from ebay yesterday so hopefully have it next week.

Just a chooglin on down to New Orleans

this is fierce

yeah but that bass solo I dunno

I love the Royal Albert Hall 1970 clips:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAVhKjsImeI

but chooglin by nature is eternal

― maffew12, Friday, August 9, 2019 9:32 AM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

Words to live by

yeah but that bass solo I dunno

Are there early CCR live sets from 67 or 68. I don't think I've come across much before '69 so am wondering. Like if there is much more along the lines of the first lp, though I think what I've heard of this Woodstock set is more in that direction.

What biographies of them are worth reading.

i just cannot imagine how anyone was ready for this in 1969. there was some heavy music, but nothing this relentless?? you've come out to a summer music festival, the archies are in the charts, you've heard some of jimi's heavy sound, you like some of those squawk blues vocals your sister's been playing you, you're curious and..... fuuuuuuck. maybe i'm making too much of this but i feel like it would be like coming into contact with an advanced alien intelligence.

"bootleg" sounds tremendous here

Well MC5, the Stooges and Blue Cheer were around. velvet underground with John cale had been pretty heavyish.
So had the Who, Yardbirds and a few others. Good to hear taht includes both eth Electrci Prunes and HP Lovecraft from their live sets.
Detroit area rock sound seemed to be based on Kicking out The Jams or live delivery , probably not true of everywhere though.
I'm not sure to what extent anybody from anywhere around the country would have got to see those bands mentioned live though.
Maybe if you have the drive to get up to upstate New York for this you would have heard things like that too.

I think i thought the live video footage that circulated a few years back was quite noisy etc

As in probably was thinking protopunk, sounds like it should be a detroit band. Bit different to the later sound etc.

So, seeing that the CCR Woodstock video footage must have been out before April 2008. Found a comment I made about having it from then, but not sure how long before taht I had it.

Well MC5, the Stooges and Blue Cheer were around. velvet underground with John cale had been pretty heavyish.

These bands were all tiny local cult phenomena. None of them had hit records and none of them played to more than a couple of hundred people outside their hometowns (and the VU not even that). 50 years of rockcrit hagiography has blinded people to the fact that these groups had effectively zero broad cultural penetration. One of the main reasons Iggy's televised performance was so shocking to people was that nobody had any idea who the fuck this nobody band was. Creedence, on the other hand, were a Top Forty band with big hit singles that everybody knew. So going to see them live one could reasonably expect an almost Monkees-ish evening of good-time party tunes, only to wind up getting bulldozed by the boogie.

XP The footage had been up on YouTube. Don't have the set at hand to check, but at least three clips were included on the 40th anniversary DVD/Blu-ray of the film.

Blue Cheer did have a hit! Also, before CCR had even released their debut album, "Vincebus Eruptum" got to 11 in the album charts. I would say the Who, Hendrix and Cream had all been playing some pretty heavy music - live at least.

Heavier music was infiltrating pop/rock by then for sure. The white album alone had several examples (eg helter skelter)

XP Fresh Cream is crazy heavy for '66.

I thought the first couple of CCR records were hard rock with some psychedelic touches, a bit different to the more Americana (or whatever you wanted to call it at the time) orientated later stuff.
Also think that not everybody would be making the trek up to upper New York even if quite a few did. But it took actual music fans to want to, it's not really something you could do without some degree of effort. Though not everybody is going to be familiar with everybody on a bill of course would think you would have some idea of current music to go. & it was about ROCK or FOLK or whatever not some mainstream saccharine chart pop or teenybop.
& that had me wondering if it took until punk or at least the time after Nuggets before the Monkees got rehabilitated into a band that non teenyboppers would listen to in a non-ironic way.

zep 1 had been out for six months

The first album definitely had psychdelic elements but it's an outlier because they'd gone by the second - this was the birth of the choogle after all! The cover makes you think it's going to be more psychedelic than it is.

Fogerty (J) took complete control of the band after the first album - songwriting, arrangements, production.

Again, fwiw, Mountain played Woodstock, so hard rock (as such) existed but perhaps hadn't been codified/cordoned off as its own thing just yet. I bet early on Black Sabbath and Zep fans had more in common with hippies than not, and perhaps even had mostly hippie fans, but I get the impression that all rock was more or less treated as hard rock or acid rock or whatever. The distinct subdivisions hadn't yet bubbled out of the counter-culture stew. I also get the impression that compared to what was going on just a few years earlier, rock music was just starting to get really loud, as the venues got bigger and the bands demanded bigger and bigger amps and the only way to be heard at all was to crank shit up. When the Beatles played their final show in '66, they could barely hear themselves and the music was being amplified through the baseball park's in-house speakers. By the late '60s groups had PA systems designed for rock bands, and the bands (lead by the Who, Hendrix and Cream) were beginning to tote along much bigger systems on tour, which allowed hard rock bands to, er, rock harder.

The middle, falling in slow/fast motion bit of "Ramble Tamble" is Psych AND Heavy.

Similarly, hindsight being 20//20, I bet the word "psychedelic' meant very little back then, too, relative to the type of music being played, other than the fact that the fans were all taking drugs. Likewise later with the broad "punk" label, as if Blondie, the Ramones, Talking Heads, Television or whomever in New York sounded the least bit alike. Psychedelic, punk ... I suspect they were labels assigned as much to the fan bases as to the bands themselves.

"Acid Rock" was a term thrown alot at the time, and not so much after.

Also, speaking of Mountain appearing at Woodstock, Johnny Winter's trio that also appeared did real hard hjgh-energy stuff live.

Yeah - I am thinking there were probably some blues acts that had probably been doing quite intense, one-chord hard jamming relentlessness for awhile, I'm just too much of a dumbass to know who they were. Stuff like Cream, Zep etc of course were very heavy but usually still oriented around the idea of a pop song. They do not, how does one say, choogle. 100% agreed that the Woodstock Chooglin could EASILY go another 10 minutes and it would still not be enough to suit me

Led Zeppelin were oriented around the idea of a pop song? Talking of Woodstock acts, Canned Heat, though never what you would call heavy, certainly did their fair share of one chord hard jamming relentlessness.

i will admit it is difficult to draw the lines. i guess I'm saying there is a TRANCE-LIKE element fused to the bluesiness that is produced by relentless repetition. there's an artiness to zeppelin, an archness to cream, a down-home folksiness to canned heat, but ccr, on these live tracks? they are so incredibly raw, and forward, and unstoppable. it still feels fresh to me somehow, like new music rather than some curio.

I do actively hate them. Dr. C OTM.

One song I will allow: The one about Lodi is at least moderately tolerable. That's the highest compliment I can pay, sorry.

― Fryin' Berry and Lon Jennon (Bimble...), Friday, June 2, 2006 5:23 PM (thirteen years ago) bookmarkflaglink

Ten years gone. I like to think he would have come around....

Gothy stuff on the first album, plus a song later covered by Richard Hell.

(xp) Ten years after. I think Bimble would still hate them!

Funnily enough, I work with a guy who is an insane record collector and music nut and he doesn't like CCR, he thinks it's just blues rock, like Canned Heat.

I told him to listen to "Ramble Tamble" and he skipped through it in about 15 seconds and said, "Nah, it's just not my thing".

I learned last night that a good friend of mine doesn't like CCR. He doesn't like Fogerty's voice!

I think his voice can be a sticking point for some people.

shum people

I mean you sort of have to wonder if it's more the affect/schtick than the actual voice that would put someone off

on that note I am loving this so much but btw songs Fogerty really leans into the grizzled bluesman banter, p cringeworthy

It’s the same for me — I like his solo Fogerty stuff, but somehow his voice / singing style on the CCR material is a turnoff. (I wasn’t gonna bust into this thread and mention it, but now that the point’s been raised...)

dead to me

Underrated aero also a noted CCR hater

Who’d have thought?

itt: realizing that even ccr is vulnerable to subjectivity

i'm still coming to terms

I've gone through that too. First time I met someone who hated the Beatles. First time I met someone who hated Led Zeppelin. After those two perplexing events, I had actually decided that Creedence was the only band ever that was a safe haven. Then I learned (possible via ILM) that people hate CCR too. I'm completely adrift now.

Trying to come up with some portmanteau of “choogle” and “challops” but coming up short.

Thank god there’s never been a single consensus artist on ILM

like his solo Fogerty stuff,

his vocals are worse solo!

Thank god there’s never been a single consensus artist on ILM

― Οὖτις,

Fairly certain Al Green and Stevie Wonder come closest.

i've never heard anyone say they didn't like kraftwerk, but that might be because they don't want to break my fragile heart

Kraftwerk is easy to be indifferent to.

/ like his solo Fogerty stuff,/

his vocals are worse solo!

his vocals are worse solo!

I feel like he “grew into them” or something, idk. Centerfield was a big album for me as a kid, so I may be biased toward it for that reason.

Old Man Down the Road > Run Thru the Jungle ;)

Kraftwerk is easy to be indifferent to.

https://i.imgur.com/VoVVOuJ.gif

^^^ Lord Sotosyn-esque contrarianism. I approve.

Buy me a drink, hon.

xpost

Doesn’t it have a song that is basically a rewrite of a Creedence song? “The Old Man Down The Road” being a rewrite of “Green River,” I think.

Nope -- "Run Through the Jungle," for which Fogerty got sued.

for plagiarizing himself

he doesn't like CCR, he thinks it's just blues rock, like Canned Heat.

Nope -- "Run Through the Jungle," for which Fogerty got sued.

Buy me a drink, hon.

With pleasure! Holler if you’re ever in the L.A. area

Zaentz can't dance.

Exactly

Seem to recall John complaining about Tom am telling him, perhaps during a deathbed non-conversion, “Saul Zaentz is my best friend.”

let him listen to effigy. at least he will drop that stupid comparison after

I don't think he would. To be honest, I think there was a bit of tit-for-tat going on because I'd shown insufficient interest in his plan for phoning up Edgar Broughton and meeting him for a chat.

the only good plan

Edgar, apparently a very friendly chap, always up for a natter.

I am aware that there is a TolstoyesqueNabokovianILX0rite tendency to say "All Heavy Music Is Alike" but it seems to me that the other acts cited here were mostly playing heavier music still primarily using Blues-based riffs and scales- following the trend of Rural Blues is not as loud as (Chicago)Electric Blues is not as loud as Blue Men Sing The Whites- perhaps mixed in with some other scales from popular or classical music (Harmonic Minor to thread!), whereas the kind of outside/atonal shredding over motorik beat of the Velvets and this live album are another beast from a different kitchen altogether.

What helps Fogerty's vocals go down easier is noticing how much young Fogerty looked like young (pre-gray hair) Steve Martin. They even make some of the same slack-jawed-yokel facial expressions.

Fwiw Effigy turned me from thinking CCR were a decent classic rock band to a true believer

^^^ i had the same experience.

Hadn't taken in taht the change of name from the golliwogs came with the release of the first lp. & at least partially because the guy from Fantasy records didn't like the somewhat racist name. So there wouldn't be much around in terms of circulating live tapes under the CCR name before whenever that was in '68. I did see there is a live Suzy Q in a compilation set of KSAN radio broadcast material featuring several other SF bands of the era as well as some LA types like Beefheart and I think the Kaleidoscope.

Would be very interested to hear live stuff under the names CCR or the Golliwogs from '67 or '68 though.
Back when they were playing around SF and hadn't found fame yet.

I know there was a compilation of studio Golliwogs stuff from the mid to late 60s put out a few years ago with some early versions of tracks better know n in later versions.

This box set (which I don't think is that hard to find) has an entire CD of Golliwogs stuff - 20 tracks - plus four tracks by Tommy Fogerty & The Blue Velvets.

RIP Esteban Buttez

hi ian :)

this live Woodstock thing rules, I love the raw guitar sound and they really pulled out some deep cuts for the gig

Fairly certain Al Green and Stevie Wonder come closest.

lol this was one of the first threads I posted on way back when, and look who doesn't like Stevie Wonder

Bands that EVERYONE loves

please note that Alex cited eighties Wonder.

Just reading Christgau's CCR reviews. Not only does he love them, he refers to their songs as "choogles" (noun, plural), which I shall need to adopt.

More Creedence Gold [Fantasy, 1973]
More Creedence Gold, or rather, less. B

He also dismissed "Run Through The Jungle" as a 'tuneless choogle' in the liner notes to Cosmo's Factory.

Despite my misgivings about Fogerty's voice (expressed above), I have now listened to Live at Woodstock and confirm that this recording is totally smokin'.

it's actually spelled smoykin'

I think Kim Salmon borrowed a lot from Fogerty's vocals at least in Scientists days.

km lol

I've been working my way through the giant Woodstock 38-CD set and what's great about Creedence is that you're just coming out of a doomed Grateful Dead set - no way Owsley's sound rig for the Dead was going to be compatible with the Woodstock system - so there's 95 minutes of so of haplessness. Weir getting shocked, false starts, everyone yelling at Oswley, a directionless 40min of "Turn On Your Lovelight" that both exemplifies the lack of PA and the worst qualities of the Dead. Then CCR shows up, cleans the place out like the Ramones, and are gone in 30. The mix cranks the volume on Clifford's bass drum for maximum choogle.

I salute your dedication, thanks for the summary of that Dead set which I won't listen to but expect to be sampled soon

Lol

Noticing Doug Clifford’s massive hi-hats (18”, which is insane) in a CCR clip, I went looking for an interview where he talks about his gear, and found this great quote:

Al [Jackson, Jr.] said to me, “What are your goals?” I said, “I want to be a metronome.” He said, “Why would you want to be a metronome? A metronome is a machine.” I said, “But I want to be on.” Al held up one finger. “Look,” he said, “here’s the beat. The right side of the finger is edging the beat—not going past it but a bit on that side of it. The left side is when you’re pulling it back, maybe from a solo and back into a verse, or from a chorus. Then there’s the middle of the finger. That’s okay too. It can be a verse or something else. You move these notes.”

Growing up, I had listened to Little Richard and heard those cats go into an instrumental section and they would just jump, all moving together. I mentioned that to Al, and he said, “We’re humans, that’s the beauty of it.” That’s one of the greatest gifts I’ve ever received from another player. It helped me to be me. I don’t play perfect time. The groove is a living thing.

18" hi-hats, wtf

HI-HATS

Fogerty on the Woodstock set:

I’d seen the Dead live a few times around the Bay Area, and I knew their reputation. At the time, I was what you would call pissed off. They sabotaged our chance in the limelight. But over time, I have developed quite an affection for the Dead. They mumbled their way through a career and they outlasted the Man. They changed the paradigm by doing it their own way, and they made it work. But at Woodstock, they were just a bunch of drugged-out hippies.

They mumbled their way through a career and they outlasted the Man.

No one's ever put it better!

Lol, seconded

the mumbling part is right, they did not outlast the man

sadly, the man has legs

I want to say Hunt Sales had huge cymbals ...

do it say it

Is that a euphemism?

Ccr is a good place to start if you’re learning to play guitar (forget the Beatles) - easy chords and strong rhythm

Do you think that is why The Minutemen started there?

otm with beginner guitar. Me and my spouse have been playing a bunch recently, and it’s so awesome that pretty much every CCR song is extremely easy to play

A lot of his stuff is in drop d, that could be the only snag for a beginner. But even in standard tuning his songs are so immediately identifiable that it's very satisfying to even approximate them.

Re the Minutemen, I'm not sure it's because covering CCR was relatively easy, I think it's mostly because Fogerty was a protest singer that flew the flannel.

They’re also good for easy leads, eg the Bayou riff which is just an E7 (you don’t even have to move your left hand) and Green River. Then there’s the major key Up Around the Bend and Fortunate Son riffs which are good ways to learn different chord voicings up the neck

Green River can be tricky because that are so many guitars on it, each throwing in these iconic little licks.

yeah Green River is hard if you try to play all those riffs on one guitar!

eg the Bayou riff which is just an E7 (you don’t even have to move your left hand
Always think this is a major component of the “swampy” sound, basically a Mixolydian vamp that may change chords but doesn’t sound like a blues and mostly stays on the I7 the majority of the time. See also “Polk Salad Annie.”

Seems like I found few hits of bands playing a medley of those two songs.

Daltrey struggles with the riff here, but his voice is perfect for it.

https://youtu.be/YYYxad4SxKY

Bayou specifically, that Pops Staples tremelo is key.

Also, the choogling.

Good point about Pops

This article ties it all together and singles out the missing link between the two songs in question, James Burton on “Susie Q.”
https://www.premierguitar.com/articles/22707-forgotten-heroes-pops-staples?page=4

And this
http://www.davehoekstra.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/pops_staples.pdf

Still can take or leave the bass solo on Woodstock “Suzie Q” but it’s still better than Skip Battin, say.

Lol at Roger Daltrey saying “It’s the only thing I remember about Woodstock.”

Unexpected Bayou:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUCpCOx3zBk

wow!

re: the vinyl, ending side 1 with aimless between-song tuning was a weird choice

lol, at the end of side 2 there's more fiddling, fogerty says 'now we'd like to do a song called i put a spell on you', side ends

here's a nice cover of "born on the bayou" by an indian garage band from the early '70s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0DHSU-5jcQ

"durango" by jj cale also has that same sort of choogle

A key CCR moment for me was honestly buying the first Richard Hell album and hearing the awesome cover of "Walk on the Water." Must have been middle school? Whenever it was, it was the first time I realized there was more to the band than their 20 or so hits.

dang i love the deranged voice on that x'lents recording

lol, at the end of side 2 there's more fiddling, fogerty says 'now we'd like to do a song called i put a spell on you', side ends

yep

i mean, the song's on side 3, but.. how could that have even happened

If side 3 launches right into the song, I guess I can see why they may have cut it that way

Yes that's why but.. surely you put the intro at the start of Side 3 or cut it out entirely??

I have been thinking about who was as relentless at this time and I keep coming back to Buddy Guy

I mean, I don't know what style he was playing at the time but he can do a similar kind of throbbing, hypnotic shred-out

Love Buddy Guy.

Are they playing the “Born on the Bayou” riff slightly different here than on the studio version? Here I here two high Es in a row.

I just want a menswear catalog that offers all of Fogerty’s shirts.

I also need V/VM and The Boredoms to cover Chooglin. Please text me when this is compy. Thank u

“when this is completed”

Literally just disabled autocorrect on this phone this afternoon. I have no excuse

Added "chooglin'" to my phone dictionary years ago.

I just want a menswear catalog that offers all of Fogerty’s shirts

https://newrepublic.com/article/112624/john-fogertys-70-flannel-shirt

Well just got the cd. Blooming linernotes are a bit on the nonexistent side aren't they?

Heard a tidbit of the middle-part jam from Ramble Tamble as transition music on my NPR station today and it made my day

Where is the love for that song? It's easily one of my favorite CCR songs for a number of reasons but primarily because there is a monster jam hidden inside the primary song framework. It's like going on a tiny trip to Cosmo's Factory and then being safely delivered home at the end. Good lyrics too.

Could've swore RambleTamble had its own thread, but all I see is New (Old) Warehouse Decree: EVERY FRIDAY is CREEDENCE FRIDAY

that's it? where is the love? ramble tamble is the best

it ranked #2 in the ILM tracks poll

POLLIN' on the river — CREEDENCE CLEARWATER REVIVAL (ILM artist poll #62) RESULTS THREAD

what really needs some love as an underrated deep cut is PAGAN BABY

ok good
#2 is satisfactory :)

one time i was jamming to ramble tamble in my car and i was headed straight on the road, but the guy next to me in the left turn lane missed his light bc he was staring at me while i was chooglin. haha loser!

Pagan Baby is a truly great song title

the guy next to me in the left turn lane missed his light bc he was staring at me while i was chooglin. haha loser!

lol

the power of the choogle

i am surprised about the rather mediocre performance of effigy (#14) in that poll. my ccr island song towering far above the rest. somehow i missed the poll.

pagan baby is a jam.

ok good
#2 is satisfactory :)

one time i was jamming to ramble tamble in my car and i was headed straight on the road, but the guy next to me in the left turn lane missed his light bc he was staring at me while i was chooglin. haha loser!